Re: [MBZ] OM603 fan clutch
Looks like the pulley holder for the 603. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:39:20 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I'm talking about my S500, so that is the M119. Is there a place for a pin or something to lock the pulley? Dan, I have attached section 20-3120 of the CD manual. On the M119, there apparently is no place for a pin or something to lock the pulley like on the M104. Instead a special tool, 603 589 00 40 00, is slipped over the edge of the fan pulley and the serpentine belt. The same tool is used for the M119 in the 124, the 129, and the 140. The M119 in the 210 is different. The section for the 140 is on page 3 of the attached file. The special tools are shown on page 4 of the attached file. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 fan clutch
Iirc Baum makes one of them, and El Paso tools (Baum?) sells them on eBay from time to time, ~40 or so. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 16, 2013, at 0:01, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:39:20 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I'm talking about my S500, so that is the M119. Is there a place for a pin or something to lock the pulley? Dan, I have attached section 20-3120 of the CD manual. On the M119, there apparently is no place for a pin or something to lock the pulley like on the M104. Instead a special tool, 603 589 00 40 00, is slipped over the edge of the fan pulley and the serpentine belt. The same tool is used for the M119 in the 124, the 129, and the 140. The M119 in the 210 is different. The section for the 140 is on page 3 of the attached file. The special tools are shown on page 4 of the attached file. Craig 20-3120.pdf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 fan clutch
Thanks, Craig. Something occurred to me on this: Is the bolt that holds the fan clutch to the water pump right hand or left hand thread? If it's left hand I wasn't turning in the correct direction considering that the rated torque is only 10 nm for this fastener, I should have been able to break it loose easily. scratching head Dan On May 16, 2013, at 12:01 AM, Craig wrote: On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:39:20 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I'm talking about my S500, so that is the M119. Is there a place for a pin or something to lock the pulley? Dan, I have attached section 20-3120 of the CD manual. On the M119, there apparently is no place for a pin or something to lock the pulley like on the M104. Instead a special tool, 603 589 00 40 00, is slipped over the edge of the fan pulley and the serpentine belt. The same tool is used for the M119 in the 124, the 129, and the 140. The M119 in the 210 is different. The section for the 140 is on page 3 of the attached file. The special tools are shown on page 4 of the attached file. Craig 20-3120.pdf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 fan clutch
I wanted to check and top off the oil in my fan clutch if necessary, but I simply could not loosen the Allen head bolt that goes through it. I had no problem holding it in place, but I just couldn't get enough torque on the little devil to break it loose. If anyone has a suggestion on how to accomplish this, I'm all ears. Dan On May 14, 2013, at 11:21 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Yes, just take the bolt out of the center. If you loosen the belt (easy on a 603) you can tell if the water pump is bad. Usually leaks if the bearings are out of it though. If the fan clutch rattles, replace it. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 fan clutch
I wanted to check and top off the oil in my fan clutch if necessary, but I simply could not loosen the Allen head bolt that goes through it. I had no problem holding it in place, but I just couldn't get enough torque on the little devil to break it loose. If anyone has a suggestion on how to accomplish this, I'm all ears. Dan I cut off an old tie rod where it was crimped in a hex inside the tie rod end. That just fit over my long handle allen 8mm. That gives you a handle that extends above the radiator top. Stick the allen in the bolt and whack the end of the tierod with a 4 lb hammer. It makes a mexican impact wrench that fits in the restricted space. HF sells a fan tool that is a couple feet long with a 3/8 socket drive. If you have a very short 3/8 drive 8mm allen socket, you can use that tool. You can make your own allen extension some other way too. 2' of 1/4 pipe and duct tape? Otherwise you can take out the radiator and condensor and fans and have at it with a real impact wrench. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 fan clutch
My problem was keeping the fan from turning. I had a piece of steel that I fashioned for holding it, but trying to hold it and apply pressure to the extension holding the Allen wrench and keeping it square so it wouldn't come out and round off the bolt proved difficult. If I had a way of bracing the piece holding the fan against something immovable I would be in business. Dan On May 15, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I wanted to check and top off the oil in my fan clutch if necessary, but I simply could not loosen the Allen head bolt that goes through it. I had no problem holding it in place, but I just couldn't get enough torque on the little devil to break it loose. If anyone has a suggestion on how to accomplish this, I'm all ears. Dan I cut off an old tie rod where it was crimped in a hex inside the tie rod end. That just fit over my long handle allen 8mm. That gives you a handle that extends above the radiator top. Stick the allen in the bolt and whack the end of the tierod with a 4 lb hammer. It makes a mexican impact wrench that fits in the restricted space. HF sells a fan tool that is a couple feet long with a 3/8 socket drive. If you have a very short 3/8 drive 8mm allen socket, you can use that tool. You can make your own allen extension some other way too. 2' of 1/4 pipe and duct tape? Otherwise you can take out the radiator and condensor and fans and have at it with a real impact wrench. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 fan clutch
On Wed, 15 May 2013 10:44:50 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: My problem was keeping the fan from turning. I had a piece of steel that I fashioned for holding it, but trying to hold it and apply pressure to the extension holding the Allen wrench and keeping it square so it wouldn't come out and round off the bolt proved difficult. If I had a way of bracing the piece holding the fan against something immovable I would be in business. On the E320, there is provision for putting a special tool in the back of the fan pulley to keep things from turning. I jury-rigged said special tool with an Allen wrench. Does the diesel not have similar? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 fan clutch
I'm talking about my S500, so that is the M119. Is there a place for a pin or something to lock the pulley? Dan Sent from my iPad On May 15, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Wed, 15 May 2013 10:44:50 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: My problem was keeping the fan from turning. I had a piece of steel that I fashioned for holding it, but trying to hold it and apply pressure to the extension holding the Allen wrench and keeping it square so it wouldn't come out and round off the bolt proved difficult. If I had a way of bracing the piece holding the fan against something immovable I would be in business. On the E320, there is provision for putting a special tool in the back of the fan pulley to keep things from turning. I jury-rigged said special tool with an Allen wrench. Does the diesel not have similar? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OM603 fan clutch
Alles, The fan on one of my 603s is getting noisy. I found a clutch and fan from an M104 3 Liter gasser. I am wondering if the fan and clutch will work reasonably well on the 3 liter Diesel. That is Q1. The second question is: Is it possible to replace the bearings on the fan clutch? I seem to remember a link to an article where someone did this. I know several of you have replaced the fluid in the clutch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 fan clutch
Nope, totally different design. If a replacement clutch doesn't fix the noise, you have a bad water pump, as the fan attaches to the water pump on the diesels. On the gassers, it's sitting on a bearing, water pump is on the other side. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 fan clutch
On Tue, 14 May 2013 22:03:58 -0500 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Nope, totally different design. If a replacement clutch doesn't fix the noise, you have a bad water pump, as the fan attaches to the water pump on the diesels. On the gassers, it's sitting on a bearing, water pump is on the other side. Is it possible to remove the clutch and fan, leaving only the water pump, so you can run the engine and see if the water pump is the problem? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 fan clutch
Yes, just take the bolt out of the center. If you loosen the belt (easy on a 603) you can tell if the water pump is bad. Usually leaks if the bearings are out of it though. If the fan clutch rattles, replace it. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 fan clutch
On Tue, 14 May 2013 22:03:58 -0500 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Nope, totally different design. If a replacement clutch doesn't fix the noise, you have a bad water pump, as the fan attaches to the water pump on the diesels. On the gassers, it's sitting on a bearing, water pump is on the other side. Is it possible to remove the clutch and fan, leaving only the water pump, so you can run the engine and see if the water pump is the problem? Craig Done. It is the fan. Don't want it to go through the radiator... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 fan clutch
Is it possible to replace the bearings on the fan clutch? I did on a 450 engine's clutch that is now in the Frankenheap. It looked particularly rebuildable, which is why I dug into it. After I finished I figured out that it was not thermostatic, and only RPM-driven. Not really what I wanted. http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/frankenheap.html#8Mar2012 -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 fan clutch
On Tue, 14 May 2013 22:36:04 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to remove the clutch and fan, leaving only the water pump, so you can run the engine and see if the water pump is the problem? Craig Done. It is the fan. Don't want it to go through the radiator... That is a very good thing to keep from happening! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
