Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

No, it was an "accidental discharge"...of not necessarily a bullet.

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 6:03 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On December 3, 2018 at 5:26 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have noticed it seems many police officers fall way short of proper
> use and safety involving firearms.
>
> It's just like hunters. The ones who merely go through a hunter safety
> course because it's required, or the cops who only know about guns what was
> force fed to them at the range, aren't all that competent with firearms.
> The cops who know how to properly handle firearms already knew before they
> became cops.
>
> A woman I went to high school with, her teenage son killed her husband.
> They'd been hunting and the kid was unloading his gun. How in the world do
> you point a gun at your dad's chest, especially when manipulating that
> gun's controls? If I had pointed a toy gun at my dad at half that kid's
> age, I would have lost access to it for at least a month.
>
> If you're raised like I was, you just don't allow the dangerous end of a
> firearm to sweep over other people unless you think they might need to be
> dead. That's the 'gun culture' that some people in this country are
> determined to get rid of.
>
> Some LEOs (a clear majority in major cities), are as safe with a gun in
> public as I'd be if you gave me a two day familiarization course with
> elephants and asked me to drive one through town. These are guys who didn't
> even have BB guns when they were kids, and it's hard to get them to the
> point where doing it right is an ingrained response.
>
> That cop from Wyoming in the Youtube video I linked, he seemed to have the
> basics down, I can't fault the way he handled his sidearm in front of the
> news camera, but he bought a dangerously stupid piece of equipment that
> didn't protect the trigger, and then he grabbed his gun through the fabric
> of his pants and pulled up on the trigger. Boom, negligent discharge,
> here's your citation for disorderly conduct and public endangerment. Your
> Lee Paige Achievement Certificate will come in the mail later. (or, since
> he wasn't using a proper holster, should we give him a Plaxico Burress
> Award?)
>
> The dancing FBI agent who was mentioned in passing in that video, his
> holster didn't have sufficient retention to hold the gun securely while
> doing a backflip. That's a problem, but the real problem was the moron who,
> upon seeing that his holster dumped his gun on the floor, grabbed it and
> pulled the trigger. He didn't make the common mistake of grabbing a dropped
> gun in midair, but the end result was the same. I think he was rushing to
> get it out of sight before anybody noticed he dropped it.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 3, 2018 at 5:26 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have noticed it seems many police officers fall way short of proper use and 
> safety involving firearms.

It's just like hunters. The ones who merely go through a hunter safety course 
because it's required, or the cops who only know about guns what was force fed 
to them at the range, aren't all that competent with firearms. The cops who 
know how to properly handle firearms already knew before they became cops. 

A woman I went to high school with, her teenage son killed her husband. They'd 
been hunting and the kid was unloading his gun. How in the world do you point a 
gun at your dad's chest, especially when manipulating that gun's controls? If I 
had pointed a toy gun at my dad at half that kid's age, I would have lost 
access to it for at least a month. 

If you're raised like I was, you just don't allow the dangerous end of a 
firearm to sweep over other people unless you think they might need to be dead. 
That's the 'gun culture' that some people in this country are determined to get 
rid of. 

Some LEOs (a clear majority in major cities), are as safe with a gun in public 
as I'd be if you gave me a two day familiarization course with elephants and 
asked me to drive one through town. These are guys who didn't even have BB guns 
when they were kids, and it's hard to get them to the point where doing it 
right is an ingrained response. 

That cop from Wyoming in the Youtube video I linked, he seemed to have the 
basics down, I can't fault the way he handled his sidearm in front of the news 
camera, but he bought a dangerously stupid piece of equipment that didn't 
protect the trigger, and then he grabbed his gun through the fabric of his 
pants and pulled up on the trigger. Boom, negligent discharge, here's your 
citation for disorderly conduct and public endangerment. Your Lee Paige 
Achievement Certificate will come in the mail later. (or, since he wasn't using 
a proper holster, should we give him a Plaxico Burress Award?)

The dancing FBI agent who was mentioned in passing in that video, his holster 
didn't have sufficient retention to hold the gun securely while doing a 
backflip. That's a problem, but the real problem was the moron who, upon seeing 
that his holster dumped his gun on the floor, grabbed it and pulled the 
trigger. He didn't make the common mistake of grabbing a dropped gun in midair, 
but the end result was the same. I think he was rushing to get it out of sight 
before anybody noticed he dropped it. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have noticed it seems many police officers fall way short of proper use and 
safety involving firearms.

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> On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> Bonehead.  Add to the fact that he had been drinking. Major cardinal rule 
> breach in my book.  It was correct for them to cite him, I believe.
> 
> -D
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>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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>> Not the best way to watch baseball. 
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQWukUgjynw
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Bonehead.  Add to the fact that he had been drinking. Major cardinal rule 
breach in my book.  It was correct for them to cite him, I believe.

-D


> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> Not the best way to watch baseball. 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQWukUgjynw
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Not the best way to watch baseball. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQWukUgjynw

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Notice the guy on the right getting ready to shoot, and the RSO has to make him 
stop and don eye and hearing protection?

There's no discernible recoil involved in firing those shotguns. 
Could they be training with blanks?
Brazilian cops run the full range of skill, just like ours. 
You'll see videos of Lee Paige stupidity, then you'll see a video where one of 
them puts an assailant down with two fast and well aimed shots. 

Mitch.

> On December 3, 2018 at 1:07 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> Yeahbut, a good range (a safe range) won't have any combustible materials 
> forward of the line, most ranges I've shot at had a sand floor.
> 
> The output of those guns seems weird, that long slow flash. I suspect they're 
> shooting some sort of incendiary round, obviously not intended for indoor 
> shooting.
> 
> Its long been my contention that the people least safe with firearms are law 
> enforcement officials. This does nothing to change that attitude...

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yeahbut, a good range (a safe range) won't have any combustible materials 
forward of the line, most ranges I've shot at had a sand floor.

The output of those guns seems weird, that long slow flash. I suspect they're 
shooting some sort of incendiary round, obviously not intended for indoor 
shooting.

Its long been my contention that the people least safe with firearms are law 
enforcement officials. This does nothing to change that attitude...

-Curt




On Sunday, December 2, 2018, 8:08:10 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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A lot of people don’t realize how much unburnt powder comes out of a gun barrel…

-D


> On Dec 2, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> Some people wish they didn't go to the range on black Friday. 
> 
> https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CYPSB_1543761936
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The muzzle flash on my .357 snubby is awesome.  If I ever have to fire it in 
self defense at night I'm closing my eyes as I press the rigger.

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> Penoff via Mercedes
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> 
> A lot of people don’t realize how much unburnt powder comes out of a gun
> barrel…
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Dec 2, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
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> > Some people wish they didn't go to the range on black Friday.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

A lot of people don’t realize how much unburnt powder comes out of a gun barrel…

-D


> On Dec 2, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> Some people wish they didn't go to the range on black Friday. 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Some people wish they didn't go to the range on black Friday. 

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CYPSB_1543761936

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Feds have been quietly writing rules so that when certain parties come 
to power, everyone is "guilty" of something.  They can lock up anyone 
who disagrees.   Just another wunna dem.
I've heard of the AT Fed agents trying to get people to do something Il 
le gal.   That useta be called entr ap ment.   Now its routine.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
November 29, 2018 at 4:57 PM
Wha?
I thought short barrelled rifles were illegal, not ridiculously long 
barreled pistols.


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Correction: My Krag is a Norwegian in 6.5 X 55.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

I have a Danish Krag, it is in 6.5 X 55 cal. It's a very unusual action: the 
non-removable mag is a door that flips open on the right side of the receiver, 
you just dump the loose rounds in.

Greg 

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Subject: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

As usual my dad and I spent black Friday at the range. This was my first 
opportunity to shoot last year's Christmas present: 
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4874/45152868525_9d850493b0_b.jpg
Swedish made Remington rolling block in 8x58r, the round is often called the 
"Danish Kraig". Its quite powerful, in the 30-06 class. Originally a black 
powder gun they were converted to smokeless, mine is dated 1892 for the 
conversion. Dad has been playing with loads, it was working pretty well with a 
220gr jacketed bullet. I need more time shooting it, I rough at best.
I also shot my Mossberg 500 with the slug barrel to get ready for deer season. 
If all goes as planned (blah) I'll get 2 days of shotgun 
season.https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4856/32193409368_72deeba77b_b.jpg
The lower bulls are where I started sighting in, I'm reasonably happy with it 
considering its got a shotgun trigger...
Dad brought out his 25-20, the scope is reproduction but period. He shoots 
really well with it, I can barely make it hit the ground: 
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4864/32193405758_f0a4fe9d05_b.jpg
Finally I dialed in my black powder deer gun, I'll only get 2 days of shotgun 
season but should have 5 or 6 of black powder season: 
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1754/27872740887_471c6a931d_b.jpgThis was only 
the second time I've gotten to shoot it since I bought it in February, it took 
a long time to work up a good load, finally settled on .530 roundball, 50gr of 
black powder with a .010 greased patch. Oiled patches blew out and didn't 
impart good spin to the ball, .015 patches were too thick to load. I'm really 
pleased with the result.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4897/46014915692_6cf6682202_b.jpg
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Wha?
I thought short barrelled rifles were illegal, not ridiculously long barreled 
pistols.

-Curt

On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 5:56:31 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Interesting!
My son's Ruger came with a warning that while the barrels of the Charger
and the 10/22 are interchangeable, and you can mount the short Charger
barrel on the 10/22, it is a federal offense to mount the longer 10/22
barrel on the Charger! Go figure …

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 1:47 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> I wouldn't mind an AR pistol for home defense, but I would rather pay $400
> for it than pay $2000.
> I've been thinking about building a set of 3 ARs, with a budget of around
> $1500 for all.
> A 10-12" pistol for home security.
> A 16" carbine for all around use.
> A 26" AR-10 for when you want to reach out and smack something from more
> than half a mile away.
>
> 9mm ARs are a bit more expensive than 5.56 NATO or 300 Blackout, but I
> could build one with both pistol length and carbine length uppers for about
> $700.
>
>
> https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-px-9-forged-complete-moe-str-lower-uses-glockr-style-5165449945.html
>
>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Interesting!
My son's Ruger came with a warning that while the barrels of the Charger
and the 10/22 are interchangeable, and you can mount the short Charger
barrel on the 10/22, it is a federal offense to mount the longer 10/22
barrel on the Charger! Go figure …

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 1:47 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't mind an AR pistol for home defense, but I would rather pay $400
> for it than pay $2000.
> I've been thinking about building a set of 3 ARs, with a budget of around
> $1500 for all.
> A 10-12" pistol for home security.
> A 16" carbine for all around use.
> A 26" AR-10 for when you want to reach out and smack something from more
> than half a mile away.
>
> 9mm ARs are a bit more expensive than 5.56 NATO or 300 Blackout, but I
> could build one with both pistol length and carbine length uppers for about
> $700.
>
>
> https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-px-9-forged-complete-moe-str-lower-uses-glockr-style-5165449945.html
>
>
> https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-gen4-16-9mm-nitride-1-10-13-5-lightweight-m-lok-railed-upper-with-bcg-ch-5165449632.html
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Thats the one, it was my grandfather's. Dad put a shotgun scope on ours, I 
don't like the scope at all. I didn't know about the peep sight, I think I'll 
snag one...
-Curt

On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 2:43:48 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 That is a Savage Model 24.  They are indeed the harvester.  If you can 
find a Lyman Model 53D peep sight, the accuracy is phenomenal for open 
sights.  It does not interfere with using it as a shotgun.  
Unfortunately it is no longer in production.  22 mag/20 was quite 
popular.  See Savage24.com

> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> November 29, 2018 at 11:11 AM
>
> Dad has a break action .22/.410 depending on the barrel. They're both 
> quite useful but the .410 has shot a lot of squirrels, porcupines, 
> rabbits, partridge, etc. We call it the "Harvester". His is a youth 
> model so its very small, came with a cloth sleeve it carries in, 
> broken down in the case its probably 18"x5"x3", maybe 3#. They make 
> some other barrels, if you swapped out the .22 for a .44mag you'd be 
> good for deer sized game as long as you kept the range down to 100 
> yards or less. The .410 should be good for that too but it doesn't 
> have sights...
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I wouldn't mind an AR pistol for home defense, but I would rather pay $400 for 
it than pay $2000.
I've been thinking about building a set of 3 ARs, with a budget of around $1500 
for all. 
A 10-12" pistol for home security. 
A 16" carbine for all around use. 
A 26" AR-10 for when you want to reach out and smack something from more than 
half a mile away. 

9mm ARs are a bit more expensive than 5.56 NATO or 300 Blackout, but I could 
build one with both pistol length and carbine length uppers for about $700.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-px-9-forged-complete-moe-str-lower-uses-glockr-style-5165449945.html

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-gen4-16-9mm-nitride-1-10-13-5-lightweight-m-lok-railed-upper-with-bcg-ch-5165449632.html

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-gen4-8-9mm-1-10-nitride-7-lightweight-m-lok-upper-with-bcg-ch-5165449737.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That is a Savage Model 24.   They are indeed the harvester.   If you can 
find a Lyman Model 53D peep sight, the accuracy is phenomenal for open 
sights.  It does not interfere with using it as a shotgun.  
Unfortunately it is no longer in production.   22 mag/20 was quite 
popular.  See Savage24.com



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
November 29, 2018 at 11:11 AM

Dad has a break action .22/.410 depending on the barrel. They're both 
quite useful but the .410 has shot a lot of squirrels, porcupines, 
rabbits, partridge, etc. We call it the "Harvester". His is a youth 
model so its very small, came with a cloth sleeve it carries in, 
broken down in the case its probably 18"x5"x3", maybe 3#. They make 
some other barrels, if you swapped out the .22 for a .44mag you'd be 
good for deer sized game as long as you kept the range down to 100 
yards or less. The .410 should be good for that too but it doesn't 
have sights...


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

His is the short barrel version.  Still a tarted up 9mm pistol, IMHO.

-D


> On Nov 29, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> 
>> On November 29, 2018 at 9:58 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I can understand that a whole lot more than the Sig. You’re essentially 
>> paying $1800 for a tarted-up 9mm pistol, IMHO.
>> 
> 
> I forget, were we talking about this?
> 
> https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/11/daniel-zimmerman/sig-sauers-enhanced-mpx-pistol-caliber-carbine/
> 
> https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-gen4-4-9mm-1-10-gx-m-lok-moe-ept-shockwave-pistol-fde-5165450151.html
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> On November 29, 2018 at 9:58 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can understand that a whole lot more than the Sig. You’re essentially 
> paying $1800 for a tarted-up 9mm pistol, IMHO.
> 

I forget, were we talking about this?

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/11/daniel-zimmerman/sig-sauers-enhanced-mpx-pistol-caliber-carbine/

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-gen4-4-9mm-1-10-gx-m-lok-moe-ept-shockwave-pistol-fde-5165450151.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

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Right - he also bought three rotary magazines. My Ruger American bolt
action 22 uses the same magazines, as does the 10/22. You can have 40
rounds in four rotary mags that take up the same space as that banana clip!

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:36 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I'm not sure how much simpler it is, the action looks to be the venerable
> 10/22 with its rotary magazine. Pretty much the same system as the Marlin.
> Although I prefer the rotary magazine I don't like that big stupid looking
> banana clip...
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 1:33:13 PM EST, Dan Penoff via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  Yes, the plastic thing.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Nov 29, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > I presume you mean than the plastic thing, ain't nothing in a cartridge
> gun simpler than a break action...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 12:36:33 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > My Marlin 60 is a far simpler rifle and dead-nuts simple as well as
> amazingly accurate.  I can get a 2” grouping at 50 yards with iron sights,
> better with a bench rest and the cheap scope that came with it.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Nov 29, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Curt Raymond  > wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't understand it at all, a breakdown .22 with a real barrel and
> iron sights is a much better choice. Add a scope and you've got redundant
> sights. Bolt action for simple repairs if something goes wrong, actually
> break action for something really simple to maintain and fix.
> > >
> > > Dad has a break action .22/.410 depending on the barrel. They're both
> quite useful but the .410 has shot a lot of squirrels, porcupines, rabbits,
> partridge, etc. We call it the "Harvester". His is a youth model so its
> very small, came with a cloth sleeve it carries in, broken down in the case
> its probably 18"x5"x3", maybe 3#. They make some other barrels, if you
> swapped out the .22 for a .44mag you'd be good for deer sized game as long
> as you kept the range down to 100 yards or less. The .410 should be good
> for that too but it doesn't have sights...
> > >
> > > -Curt
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just buy a speed loader for the Marlin.  Like this:

http://www.spee-d-loader.net/spee-d-loader/ 


I love mine.

-D



> On Nov 29, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure how much simpler it is, the action looks to be the venerable 
> 10/22 with its rotary magazine. Pretty much the same system as the Marlin. 
> Although I prefer the rotary magazine I don't like that big stupid looking 
> banana clip...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 1:33:13 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, the plastic thing.
> 
> -D
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I'm not sure how much simpler it is, the action looks to be the venerable 
10/22 with its rotary magazine. Pretty much the same system as the Marlin. 
Although I prefer the rotary magazine I don't like that big stupid looking 
banana clip...
-Curt

On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 1:33:13 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes, the plastic thing.

-D


> On Nov 29, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I presume you mean than the plastic thing, ain't nothing in a cartridge gun 
> simpler than a break action...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 12:36:33 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> My Marlin 60 is a far simpler rifle and dead-nuts simple as well as amazingly 
> accurate.  I can get a 2” grouping at 50 yards with iron sights, better with 
> a bench rest and the cheap scope that came with it.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Nov 29, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Curt Raymond  > > wrote:
> > 
> > I don't understand it at all, a breakdown .22 with a real barrel and iron 
> > sights is a much better choice. Add a scope and you've got redundant 
> > sights. Bolt action for simple repairs if something goes wrong, actually 
> > break action for something really simple to maintain and fix.
> > 
> > Dad has a break action .22/.410 depending on the barrel. They're both quite 
> > useful but the .410 has shot a lot of squirrels, porcupines, rabbits, 
> > partridge, etc. We call it the "Harvester". His is a youth model so its 
> > very small, came with a cloth sleeve it carries in, broken down in the case 
> > its probably 18"x5"x3", maybe 3#. They make some other barrels, if you 
> > swapped out the .22 for a .44mag you'd be good for deer sized game as long 
> > as you kept the range down to 100 yards or less. The .410 should be good 
> > for that too but it doesn't have sights...
> > 
> > -Curt
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

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Yes, the plastic thing.

-D


> On Nov 29, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I presume you mean than the plastic thing, ain't nothing in a cartridge gun 
> simpler than a break action...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 12:36:33 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> My Marlin 60 is a far simpler rifle and dead-nuts simple as well as amazingly 
> accurate.  I can get a 2” grouping at 50 yards with iron sights, better with 
> a bench rest and the cheap scope that came with it.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Nov 29, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Curt Raymond  > > wrote:
> > 
> > I don't understand it at all, a breakdown .22 with a real barrel and iron 
> > sights is a much better choice. Add a scope and you've got redundant 
> > sights. Bolt action for simple repairs if something goes wrong, actually 
> > break action for something really simple to maintain and fix.
> > 
> > Dad has a break action .22/.410 depending on the barrel. They're both quite 
> > useful but the .410 has shot a lot of squirrels, porcupines, rabbits, 
> > partridge, etc. We call it the "Harvester". His is a youth model so its 
> > very small, came with a cloth sleeve it carries in, broken down in the case 
> > its probably 18"x5"x3", maybe 3#. They make some other barrels, if you 
> > swapped out the .22 for a .44mag you'd be good for deer sized game as long 
> > as you kept the range down to 100 yards or less. The .410 should be good 
> > for that too but it doesn't have sights...
> > 
> > -Curt
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I presume you mean than the plastic thing, ain't nothing in a cartridge gun 
simpler than a break action...
-Curt

On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 12:36:33 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 My Marlin 60 is a far simpler rifle and dead-nuts simple as well as amazingly 
accurate.  I can get a 2” grouping at 50 yards with iron sights, better with a 
bench rest and the cheap scope that came with it.

-D

> On Nov 29, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I don't understand it at all, a breakdown .22 with a real barrel and iron 
> sights is a much better choice. Add a scope and you've got redundant sights. 
> Bolt action for simple repairs if something goes wrong, actually break action 
> for something really simple to maintain and fix.
> 
> Dad has a break action .22/.410 depending on the barrel. They're both quite 
> useful but the .410 has shot a lot of squirrels, porcupines, rabbits, 
> partridge, etc. We call it the "Harvester". His is a youth model so its very 
> small, came with a cloth sleeve it carries in, broken down in the case its 
> probably 18"x5"x3", maybe 3#. They make some other barrels, if you swapped 
> out the .22 for a .44mag you'd be good for deer sized game as long as you 
> kept the range down to 100 yards or less. The .410 should be good for that 
> too but it doesn't have sights...
> 
> -Curt
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 They're more expensive than a 12ga for sure but remember its a single shot 
break action, you're not firing 100 a year. I think the last I saw at Wal-Mart 
were $15 a box, expensive but still less than a buck a shot.The advantage is 
that the gun is small and handy.
Actually as I think of it I've got an old Savage .22/20ga over and under which 
also breaks down into a similar carrier. Super handy little gun, the only 
downside is the two barrels don't match the sights so you can't really shoot 
slugs in the 20ga.
-Curt

On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 12:32:26 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 29/11/2018 11:11 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  I don't understand it at all, a breakdown .22 with a real barrel and iron 
>sights is a much better choice. Add a scope and you've got redundant sights. 
>Bolt action for simple repairs if something goes wrong, actually break action 
>for something really simple to maintain and fix.
> Dad has a break action .22/.410 depending on the barrel. They're both quite 
> useful but the .410 has shot a lot of squirrels, porcupines, rabbits, 
> partridge, etc. We call it the "Harvester". His is a youth model so its very 
> small, came with a cloth sleeve it carries in, broken down in the case its 
> probably 18"x5"x3", maybe 3#. They make some other barrels, if you swapped 
> out the .22 for a .44mag you'd be good for deer sized game as long as you 
> kept the range down to 100 yards or less. The .410 should be good for that 
> too but it doesn't have sights...
>
> -Curt

The .410 shells tend to be expensive around here.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Small and light are primary concerns for an aircraft survival weapon.

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 11:54 AM OK Don  wrote:

> Expensive is relative. If you don't shoot skeet with it, they are great
> for the occasional squirrel.
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 11:32 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The .410 shells tend to be expensive around here.
>>
>> RB
>>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
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> fence for themselves."
>
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> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Expensive is relative. If you don't shoot skeet with it, they are great for
the occasional squirrel.
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 11:32 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> The .410 shells tend to be expensive around here.
>
> RB
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I have a Danish Krag, it is in 6.5 X 55 cal. It's a very unusual action: the 
non-removable mag is a door that flips open on the right side of the receiver, 
you just dump the loose rounds in.

Greg 

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Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

As usual my dad and I spent black Friday at the range. This was my first 
opportunity to shoot last year's Christmas present: 
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4874/45152868525_9d850493b0_b.jpg
Swedish made Remington rolling block in 8x58r, the round is often called the 
"Danish Kraig". Its quite powerful, in the 30-06 class. Originally a black 
powder gun they were converted to smokeless, mine is dated 1892 for the 
conversion. Dad has been playing with loads, it was working pretty well with a 
220gr jacketed bullet. I need more time shooting it, I rough at best.
I also shot my Mossberg 500 with the slug barrel to get ready for deer season. 
If all goes as planned (blah) I'll get 2 days of shotgun 
season.https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4856/32193409368_72deeba77b_b.jpg
The lower bulls are where I started sighting in, I'm reasonably happy with it 
considering its got a shotgun trigger...
Dad brought out his 25-20, the scope is reproduction but period. He shoots 
really well with it, I can barely make it hit the ground: 
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4864/32193405758_f0a4fe9d05_b.jpg
Finally I dialed in my black powder deer gun, I'll only get 2 days of shotgun 
season but should have 5 or 6 of black powder season: 
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1754/27872740887_471c6a931d_b.jpgThis was only 
the second time I've gotten to shoot it since I bought it in February, it took 
a long time to work up a good load, finally settled on .530 roundball, 50gr of 
black powder with a .010 greased patch. Oiled patches blew out and didn't 
impart good spin to the ball, .015 patches were too thick to load. I'm really 
pleased with the result.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4897/46014915692_6cf6682202_b.jpg
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Now I’m jealous.  I have lusted after an M1 Garand for a while, but I just 
can’t justify the price, even for an tatty one.

So I settle for my (Yugo) SKS.

-D


> On Nov 29, 2018, at 12:32 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> His thinking was that the Charger is smaller and lighter than a rifle, is
> supposed to be accurate to 50 yards, and he thinks it looks cool. He has a
> break action over/under 22/.410, but it's fallen into dis-favor since he
> got the M1 Garand.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 11:13 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I don't understand it at all, a breakdown .22 with a real barrel and iron
>> sights is a much better choice. Add a scope and you've got redundant
>> sights. Bolt action for simple repairs if something goes wrong, actually
>> break action for something really simple to maintain and fix.
>> Dad has a break action .22/.410 depending on the barrel. They're both
>> quite useful but the .410 has shot a lot of squirrels, porcupines, rabbits,
>> partridge, etc. We call it the "Harvester". His is a youth model so its
>> very small, came with a cloth sleeve it carries in, broken down in the case
>> its probably 18"x5"x3", maybe 3#. They make some other barrels, if you
>> swapped out the .22 for a .44mag you'd be good for deer sized game as long
>> as you kept the range down to 100 yards or less. The .410 should be good
>> for that too but it doesn't have sights...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>>On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 9:59:42 AM EST, Dan Penoff via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like they provide a bipod with it for shooting at the range.
>> Pretty cheep, too.  My local dealer sells the breakdown model for just a
>> little over $300.
>> 
>> I can understand that a whole lot more than the Sig. You’re essentially
>> paying $1800 for a tarted-up 9mm pistol, IMHO.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2018, at 8:46 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How does one hold and shoot that thing?  2 hands?
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 28, 2018, at 1:52 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
 
 Kids these days . . . must be a thing. My son bought a Ruger Charger,
>> same
 sort of thing
 https://ruger.com/products/22Charger/models.html
 At least it's a breakdown model, he plans to carry it when he flies over
 wild areas ( the Rockies and the east coast) for survival.
 
 On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 8:53 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Nice.
> 
> I had a whole week to go to the range with my new (to me) Lanber 2099
> shotgun.  I never got around to it, unfortunately. When I went a week
>> or
> two ago  for pistol practice I took it wth me and just ran through four
> stands, and got 14 out of 16, which I was quite pleased with.  My boss
> finally broke down and bought a Mossberg 500 or Remington 370, I don’t
> recall which one, from Dick’s over Thanksgiving, so he’s chomping at
>> the
> bit to go out after work, so I’m sure I’ll get out soon.
> 
> Youngest son came home the other day with a Sig MPX-K 9mm.  WTF for, I
> have no idea.  Just don’t get the AR mentality.  Want a pistol? Buy a
> pistol!
> 
> Kids these days….
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> As usual my dad and I spent black Friday at the range. This was my
>> first
> opportunity to shoot last year's Christmas present:
> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4874/45152868525_9d850493b0_b.jpg
>> Swedish made Remington rolling block in 8x58r, the round is often
>> called
> the "Danish Kraig". Its quite powerful, in the 30-06 class. Originally
>> a
> black powder gun they were converted to smokeless, mine is dated 1892
>> for
> the conversion. Dad has been playing with loads, it was working pretty
>> well
> with a 220gr jacketed bullet. I need more time shooting it, I rough at
>> best.
>> I also shot my Mossberg 500 with the slug barrel to get ready for deer
> season. If all goes as planned (blah) I'll get 2 days of shotgun
>> season.
> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4856/32193409368_72deeba77b_b.jpg
>> The lower bulls are where I started sighting in, I'm reasonably happy
> with it considering its got a shotgun trigger...
>> Dad brought out his 25-20, the scope is reproduction but period. He
> shoots really well with it, I can barely make it hit the ground:
> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4864/32193405758_f0a4fe9d05_b.jpg
>> Finally I dialed in my black powder deer gun, I'll only get 2 days of
> shotgun season but should have 5 or 6 of black powder season:
> https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1754/27872740887_471c6a931d_b.jpgThis
>> was
> only the second time I've gotten to shoot it since I bought it in
>> February,
> it took a long time to work 

Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[OK Don via Mercedes]

His thinking was that the Charger is smaller and lighter than a rifle, is
supposed to be accurate to 50 yards, and he thinks it looks cool. He has a
break action over/under 22/.410, but it's fallen into dis-favor since he
got the M1 Garand.

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 11:13 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I don't understand it at all, a breakdown .22 with a real barrel and iron
> sights is a much better choice. Add a scope and you've got redundant
> sights. Bolt action for simple repairs if something goes wrong, actually
> break action for something really simple to maintain and fix.
> Dad has a break action .22/.410 depending on the barrel. They're both
> quite useful but the .410 has shot a lot of squirrels, porcupines, rabbits,
> partridge, etc. We call it the "Harvester". His is a youth model so its
> very small, came with a cloth sleeve it carries in, broken down in the case
> its probably 18"x5"x3", maybe 3#. They make some other barrels, if you
> swapped out the .22 for a .44mag you'd be good for deer sized game as long
> as you kept the range down to 100 yards or less. The .410 should be good
> for that too but it doesn't have sights...
>
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 9:59:42 AM EST, Dan Penoff via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  Looks like they provide a bipod with it for shooting at the range.
> Pretty cheep, too.  My local dealer sells the breakdown model for just a
> little over $300.
>
> I can understand that a whole lot more than the Sig. You’re essentially
> paying $1800 for a tarted-up 9mm pistol, IMHO.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Nov 29, 2018, at 8:46 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > How does one hold and shoot that thing?  2 hands?
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 28, 2018, at 1:52 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Kids these days . . . must be a thing. My son bought a Ruger Charger,
> same
> >> sort of thing
> >> https://ruger.com/products/22Charger/models.html
> >> At least it's a breakdown model, he plans to carry it when he flies over
> >> wild areas ( the Rockies and the east coast) for survival.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 8:53 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Nice.
> >>>
> >>> I had a whole week to go to the range with my new (to me) Lanber 2099
> >>> shotgun.  I never got around to it, unfortunately. When I went a week
> or
> >>> two ago  for pistol practice I took it wth me and just ran through four
> >>> stands, and got 14 out of 16, which I was quite pleased with.  My boss
> >>> finally broke down and bought a Mossberg 500 or Remington 370, I don’t
> >>> recall which one, from Dick’s over Thanksgiving, so he’s chomping at
> the
> >>> bit to go out after work, so I’m sure I’ll get out soon.
> >>>
> >>> Youngest son came home the other day with a Sig MPX-K 9mm.  WTF for, I
> >>> have no idea.  Just don’t get the AR mentality.  Want a pistol? Buy a
> >>> pistol!
> >>>
> >>> Kids these days….
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Nov 27, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  As usual my dad and I spent black Friday at the range. This was my
> first
> >>> opportunity to shoot last year's Christmas present:
> >>> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4874/45152868525_9d850493b0_b.jpg
>  Swedish made Remington rolling block in 8x58r, the round is often
> called
> >>> the "Danish Kraig". Its quite powerful, in the 30-06 class. Originally
> a
> >>> black powder gun they were converted to smokeless, mine is dated 1892
> for
> >>> the conversion. Dad has been playing with loads, it was working pretty
> well
> >>> with a 220gr jacketed bullet. I need more time shooting it, I rough at
> best.
>  I also shot my Mossberg 500 with the slug barrel to get ready for deer
> >>> season. If all goes as planned (blah) I'll get 2 days of shotgun
> season.
> >>> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4856/32193409368_72deeba77b_b.jpg
>  The lower bulls are where I started sighting in, I'm reasonably happy
> >>> with it considering its got a shotgun trigger...
>  Dad brought out his 25-20, the scope is reproduction but period. He
> >>> shoots really well with it, I can barely make it hit the ground:
> >>> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4864/32193405758_f0a4fe9d05_b.jpg
>  Finally I dialed in my black powder deer gun, I'll only get 2 days of
> >>> shotgun season but should have 5 or 6 of black powder season:
> >>> https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1754/27872740887_471c6a931d_b.jpgThis
> was
> >>> only the second time I've gotten to shoot it since I bought it in
> February,
> >>> it took a long time to work up a good load, finally settled on .530
> >>> roundball, 50gr of black powder with a .010 greased patch. Oiled
> patches
> >>> blew out and didn't impart good spin to the ball, .015 patches were too
> >>> thick to load. I'm really pleased with the result.
>  https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4897/46014

Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My Marlin 60 is a far simpler rifle and dead-nuts simple as well as amazingly 
accurate.  I can get a 2” grouping at 50 yards with iron sights, better with a 
bench rest and the cheap scope that came with it.

-D

> On Nov 29, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I don't understand it at all, a breakdown .22 with a real barrel and iron 
> sights is a much better choice. Add a scope and you've got redundant sights. 
> Bolt action for simple repairs if something goes wrong, actually break action 
> for something really simple to maintain and fix.
> 
> Dad has a break action .22/.410 depending on the barrel. They're both quite 
> useful but the .410 has shot a lot of squirrels, porcupines, rabbits, 
> partridge, etc. We call it the "Harvester". His is a youth model so its very 
> small, came with a cloth sleeve it carries in, broken down in the case its 
> probably 18"x5"x3", maybe 3#. They make some other barrels, if you swapped 
> out the .22 for a .44mag you'd be good for deer sized game as long as you 
> kept the range down to 100 yards or less. The .410 should be good for that 
> too but it doesn't have sights...
> 
> -Curt
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

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On 29/11/2018 11:11 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  I don't understand it at all, a breakdown .22 with a real barrel and iron 
sights is a much better choice. Add a scope and you've got redundant sights. 
Bolt action for simple repairs if something goes wrong, actually break action 
for something really simple to maintain and fix.
Dad has a break action .22/.410 depending on the barrel. They're both quite useful but the .410 has shot 
a lot of squirrels, porcupines, rabbits, partridge, etc. We call it the "Harvester". His is a 
youth model so its very small, came with a cloth sleeve it carries in, broken down in the case its 
probably 18"x5"x3", maybe 3#. They make some other barrels, if you swapped out the .22 
for a .44mag you'd be good for deer sized game as long as you kept the range down to 100 yards or less. 
The .410 should be good for that too but it doesn't have sights...

-Curt


The .410 shells tend to be expensive around here.

RB


  



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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I don't understand it at all, a breakdown .22 with a real barrel and iron 
sights is a much better choice. Add a scope and you've got redundant sights. 
Bolt action for simple repairs if something goes wrong, actually break action 
for something really simple to maintain and fix.
Dad has a break action .22/.410 depending on the barrel. They're both quite 
useful but the .410 has shot a lot of squirrels, porcupines, rabbits, 
partridge, etc. We call it the "Harvester". His is a youth model so its very 
small, came with a cloth sleeve it carries in, broken down in the case its 
probably 18"x5"x3", maybe 3#. They make some other barrels, if you swapped out 
the .22 for a .44mag you'd be good for deer sized game as long as you kept the 
range down to 100 yards or less. The .410 should be good for that too but it 
doesn't have sights...

-Curt

On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 9:59:42 AM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Looks like they provide a bipod with it for shooting at the range.  Pretty 
cheep, too.  My local dealer sells the breakdown model for just a little over 
$300.

I can understand that a whole lot more than the Sig. You’re essentially paying 
$1800 for a tarted-up 9mm pistol, IMHO.

-D


> On Nov 29, 2018, at 8:46 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How does one hold and shoot that thing?  2 hands?
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2018, at 1:52 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Kids these days . . . must be a thing. My son bought a Ruger Charger, same
>> sort of thing
>> https://ruger.com/products/22Charger/models.html
>> At least it's a breakdown model, he plans to carry it when he flies over
>> wild areas ( the Rockies and the east coast) for survival.
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 8:53 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Nice.
>>> 
>>> I had a whole week to go to the range with my new (to me) Lanber 2099
>>> shotgun.  I never got around to it, unfortunately. When I went a week or
>>> two ago  for pistol practice I took it wth me and just ran through four
>>> stands, and got 14 out of 16, which I was quite pleased with.  My boss
>>> finally broke down and bought a Mossberg 500 or Remington 370, I don’t
>>> recall which one, from Dick’s over Thanksgiving, so he’s chomping at the
>>> bit to go out after work, so I’m sure I’ll get out soon.
>>> 
>>> Youngest son came home the other day with a Sig MPX-K 9mm.  WTF for, I
>>> have no idea.  Just don’t get the AR mentality.  Want a pistol? Buy a
>>> pistol!
>>> 
>>> Kids these days….
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 27, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 As usual my dad and I spent black Friday at the range. This was my first
>>> opportunity to shoot last year's Christmas present:
>>> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4874/45152868525_9d850493b0_b.jpg
 Swedish made Remington rolling block in 8x58r, the round is often called
>>> the "Danish Kraig". Its quite powerful, in the 30-06 class. Originally a
>>> black powder gun they were converted to smokeless, mine is dated 1892 for
>>> the conversion. Dad has been playing with loads, it was working pretty well
>>> with a 220gr jacketed bullet. I need more time shooting it, I rough at best.
 I also shot my Mossberg 500 with the slug barrel to get ready for deer
>>> season. If all goes as planned (blah) I'll get 2 days of shotgun season.
>>> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4856/32193409368_72deeba77b_b.jpg
 The lower bulls are where I started sighting in, I'm reasonably happy
>>> with it considering its got a shotgun trigger...
 Dad brought out his 25-20, the scope is reproduction but period. He
>>> shoots really well with it, I can barely make it hit the ground:
>>> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4864/32193405758_f0a4fe9d05_b.jpg
 Finally I dialed in my black powder deer gun, I'll only get 2 days of
>>> shotgun season but should have 5 or 6 of black powder season:
>>> https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1754/27872740887_471c6a931d_b.jpgThis was
>>> only the second time I've gotten to shoot it since I bought it in February,
>>> it took a long time to work up a good load, finally settled on .530
>>> roundball, 50gr of black powder with a .010 greased patch. Oiled patches
>>> blew out and didn't impart good spin to the ball, .015 patches were too
>>> thick to load. I'm really pleased with the result.
 https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4897/46014915692_6cf6682202_b.jpg
 -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Every which way - two hands at the rear, pistol style; two hands, one in
front and one on the pistol grip; bi-pod on the bench, two hands; one hand
out, pistol style. I personally don't like it.

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 7:47 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> How does one hold and shoot that thing?  2 hands?
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Nov 28, 2018, at 1:52 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Kids these days . . . must be a thing. My son bought a Ruger Charger,
> same
> > sort of thing
> > https://ruger.com/products/22Charger/models.html
> > At least it's a breakdown model, he plans to carry it when he flies over
> > wild areas ( the Rockies and the east coast) for survival.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 8:53 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Nice.
> >>
> >> I had a whole week to go to the range with my new (to me) Lanber 2099
> >> shotgun.  I never got around to it, unfortunately. When I went a week or
> >> two ago  for pistol practice I took it wth me and just ran through four
> >> stands, and got 14 out of 16, which I was quite pleased with.  My boss
> >> finally broke down and bought a Mossberg 500 or Remington 370, I don’t
> >> recall which one, from Dick’s over Thanksgiving, so he’s chomping at the
> >> bit to go out after work, so I’m sure I’ll get out soon.
> >>
> >> Youngest son came home the other day with a Sig MPX-K 9mm.  WTF for, I
> >> have no idea.  Just don’t get the AR mentality.  Want a pistol? Buy a
> >> pistol!
> >>
> >> Kids these days….
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> As usual my dad and I spent black Friday at the range. This was my
> first
> >> opportunity to shoot last year's Christmas present:
> >> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4874/45152868525_9d850493b0_b.jpg
> >>> Swedish made Remington rolling block in 8x58r, the round is often
> called
> >> the "Danish Kraig". Its quite powerful, in the 30-06 class. Originally a
> >> black powder gun they were converted to smokeless, mine is dated 1892
> for
> >> the conversion. Dad has been playing with loads, it was working pretty
> well
> >> with a 220gr jacketed bullet. I need more time shooting it, I rough at
> best.
> >>> I also shot my Mossberg 500 with the slug barrel to get ready for deer
> >> season. If all goes as planned (blah) I'll get 2 days of shotgun season.
> >> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4856/32193409368_72deeba77b_b.jpg
> >>> The lower bulls are where I started sighting in, I'm reasonably happy
> >> with it considering its got a shotgun trigger...
> >>> Dad brought out his 25-20, the scope is reproduction but period. He
> >> shoots really well with it, I can barely make it hit the ground:
> >> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4864/32193405758_f0a4fe9d05_b.jpg
> >>> Finally I dialed in my black powder deer gun, I'll only get 2 days of
> >> shotgun season but should have 5 or 6 of black powder season:
> >> https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1754/27872740887_471c6a931d_b.jpgThis was
> >> only the second time I've gotten to shoot it since I bought it in
> February,
> >> it took a long time to work up a good load, finally settled on .530
> >> roundball, 50gr of black powder with a .010 greased patch. Oiled patches
> >> blew out and didn't impart good spin to the ball, .015 patches were too
> >> thick to load. I'm really pleased with the result.
> >>> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4897/46014915692_6cf6682202_b.jpg
> >>> -Curt
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> of
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looks like they provide a bipod with it for shooting at the range.  Pretty 
cheep, too.  My local dealer sells the breakdown model for just a little over 
$300.

I can understand that a whole lot more than the Sig. You’re essentially paying 
$1800 for a tarted-up 9mm pistol, IMHO.

-D


> On Nov 29, 2018, at 8:46 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How does one hold and shoot that thing?  2 hands?
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2018, at 1:52 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Kids these days . . . must be a thing. My son bought a Ruger Charger, same
>> sort of thing
>> https://ruger.com/products/22Charger/models.html
>> At least it's a breakdown model, he plans to carry it when he flies over
>> wild areas ( the Rockies and the east coast) for survival.
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 8:53 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Nice.
>>> 
>>> I had a whole week to go to the range with my new (to me) Lanber 2099
>>> shotgun.  I never got around to it, unfortunately. When I went a week or
>>> two ago  for pistol practice I took it wth me and just ran through four
>>> stands, and got 14 out of 16, which I was quite pleased with.  My boss
>>> finally broke down and bought a Mossberg 500 or Remington 370, I don’t
>>> recall which one, from Dick’s over Thanksgiving, so he’s chomping at the
>>> bit to go out after work, so I’m sure I’ll get out soon.
>>> 
>>> Youngest son came home the other day with a Sig MPX-K 9mm.  WTF for, I
>>> have no idea.  Just don’t get the AR mentality.  Want a pistol? Buy a
>>> pistol!
>>> 
>>> Kids these days….
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 27, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 As usual my dad and I spent black Friday at the range. This was my first
>>> opportunity to shoot last year's Christmas present:
>>> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4874/45152868525_9d850493b0_b.jpg
 Swedish made Remington rolling block in 8x58r, the round is often called
>>> the "Danish Kraig". Its quite powerful, in the 30-06 class. Originally a
>>> black powder gun they were converted to smokeless, mine is dated 1892 for
>>> the conversion. Dad has been playing with loads, it was working pretty well
>>> with a 220gr jacketed bullet. I need more time shooting it, I rough at best.
 I also shot my Mossberg 500 with the slug barrel to get ready for deer
>>> season. If all goes as planned (blah) I'll get 2 days of shotgun season.
>>> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4856/32193409368_72deeba77b_b.jpg
 The lower bulls are where I started sighting in, I'm reasonably happy
>>> with it considering its got a shotgun trigger...
 Dad brought out his 25-20, the scope is reproduction but period. He
>>> shoots really well with it, I can barely make it hit the ground:
>>> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4864/32193405758_f0a4fe9d05_b.jpg
 Finally I dialed in my black powder deer gun, I'll only get 2 days of
>>> shotgun season but should have 5 or 6 of black powder season:
>>> https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1754/27872740887_471c6a931d_b.jpgThis was
>>> only the second time I've gotten to shoot it since I bought it in February,
>>> it took a long time to work up a good load, finally settled on .530
>>> roundball, 50gr of black powder with a .010 greased patch. Oiled patches
>>> blew out and didn't impart good spin to the ball, .015 patches were too
>>> thick to load. I'm really pleased with the result.
 https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4897/46014915692_6cf6682202_b.jpg
 -Curt
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>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

How does one hold and shoot that thing?  2 hands?

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> On Nov 28, 2018, at 1:52 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kids these days . . . must be a thing. My son bought a Ruger Charger, same
> sort of thing
> https://ruger.com/products/22Charger/models.html
> At least it's a breakdown model, he plans to carry it when he flies over
> wild areas ( the Rockies and the east coast) for survival.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 8:53 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Nice.
>> 
>> I had a whole week to go to the range with my new (to me) Lanber 2099
>> shotgun.  I never got around to it, unfortunately. When I went a week or
>> two ago  for pistol practice I took it wth me and just ran through four
>> stands, and got 14 out of 16, which I was quite pleased with.  My boss
>> finally broke down and bought a Mossberg 500 or Remington 370, I don’t
>> recall which one, from Dick’s over Thanksgiving, so he’s chomping at the
>> bit to go out after work, so I’m sure I’ll get out soon.
>> 
>> Youngest son came home the other day with a Sig MPX-K 9mm.  WTF for, I
>> have no idea.  Just don’t get the AR mentality.  Want a pistol? Buy a
>> pistol!
>> 
>> Kids these days….
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> As usual my dad and I spent black Friday at the range. This was my first
>> opportunity to shoot last year's Christmas present:
>> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4874/45152868525_9d850493b0_b.jpg
>>> Swedish made Remington rolling block in 8x58r, the round is often called
>> the "Danish Kraig". Its quite powerful, in the 30-06 class. Originally a
>> black powder gun they were converted to smokeless, mine is dated 1892 for
>> the conversion. Dad has been playing with loads, it was working pretty well
>> with a 220gr jacketed bullet. I need more time shooting it, I rough at best.
>>> I also shot my Mossberg 500 with the slug barrel to get ready for deer
>> season. If all goes as planned (blah) I'll get 2 days of shotgun season.
>> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4856/32193409368_72deeba77b_b.jpg
>>> The lower bulls are where I started sighting in, I'm reasonably happy
>> with it considering its got a shotgun trigger...
>>> Dad brought out his 25-20, the scope is reproduction but period. He
>> shoots really well with it, I can barely make it hit the ground:
>> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4864/32193405758_f0a4fe9d05_b.jpg
>>> Finally I dialed in my black powder deer gun, I'll only get 2 days of
>> shotgun season but should have 5 or 6 of black powder season:
>> https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1754/27872740887_471c6a931d_b.jpgThis was
>> only the second time I've gotten to shoot it since I bought it in February,
>> it took a long time to work up a good load, finally settled on .530
>> roundball, 50gr of black powder with a .010 greased patch. Oiled patches
>> blew out and didn't impart good spin to the ball, .015 patches were too
>> thick to load. I'm really pleased with the result.
>>> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4897/46014915692_6cf6682202_b.jpg
>>> -Curt
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> 
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Kids these days . . . must be a thing. My son bought a Ruger Charger, same
sort of thing
https://ruger.com/products/22Charger/models.html
At least it's a breakdown model, he plans to carry it when he flies over
wild areas ( the Rockies and the east coast) for survival.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 8:53 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Nice.
>
> I had a whole week to go to the range with my new (to me) Lanber 2099
> shotgun.  I never got around to it, unfortunately. When I went a week or
> two ago  for pistol practice I took it wth me and just ran through four
> stands, and got 14 out of 16, which I was quite pleased with.  My boss
> finally broke down and bought a Mossberg 500 or Remington 370, I don’t
> recall which one, from Dick’s over Thanksgiving, so he’s chomping at the
> bit to go out after work, so I’m sure I’ll get out soon.
>
> Youngest son came home the other day with a Sig MPX-K 9mm.  WTF for, I
> have no idea.  Just don’t get the AR mentality.  Want a pistol? Buy a
> pistol!
>
> Kids these days….
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Nov 27, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > As usual my dad and I spent black Friday at the range. This was my first
> opportunity to shoot last year's Christmas present:
> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4874/45152868525_9d850493b0_b.jpg
> > Swedish made Remington rolling block in 8x58r, the round is often called
> the "Danish Kraig". Its quite powerful, in the 30-06 class. Originally a
> black powder gun they were converted to smokeless, mine is dated 1892 for
> the conversion. Dad has been playing with loads, it was working pretty well
> with a 220gr jacketed bullet. I need more time shooting it, I rough at best.
> > I also shot my Mossberg 500 with the slug barrel to get ready for deer
> season. If all goes as planned (blah) I'll get 2 days of shotgun season.
> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4856/32193409368_72deeba77b_b.jpg
> > The lower bulls are where I started sighting in, I'm reasonably happy
> with it considering its got a shotgun trigger...
> > Dad brought out his 25-20, the scope is reproduction but period. He
> shoots really well with it, I can barely make it hit the ground:
> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4864/32193405758_f0a4fe9d05_b.jpg
> > Finally I dialed in my black powder deer gun, I'll only get 2 days of
> shotgun season but should have 5 or 6 of black powder season:
> https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1754/27872740887_471c6a931d_b.jpgThis was
> only the second time I've gotten to shoot it since I bought it in February,
> it took a long time to work up a good load, finally settled on .530
> roundball, 50gr of black powder with a .010 greased patch. Oiled patches
> blew out and didn't impart good spin to the ball, .015 patches were too
> thick to load. I'm really pleased with the result.
> > https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4897/46014915692_6cf6682202_b.jpg
> > -Curt
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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nice.

I had a whole week to go to the range with my new (to me) Lanber 2099 shotgun.  
I never got around to it, unfortunately. When I went a week or two ago  for 
pistol practice I took it wth me and just ran through four stands, and got 14 
out of 16, which I was quite pleased with.  My boss finally broke down and 
bought a Mossberg 500 or Remington 370, I don’t recall which one, from Dick’s 
over Thanksgiving, so he’s chomping at the bit to go out after work, so I’m 
sure I’ll get out soon.

Youngest son came home the other day with a Sig MPX-K 9mm.  WTF for, I have no 
idea.  Just don’t get the AR mentality.  Want a pistol? Buy a pistol!

Kids these days….

-D


> On Nov 27, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> As usual my dad and I spent black Friday at the range. This was my first 
> opportunity to shoot last year's Christmas present: 
> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4874/45152868525_9d850493b0_b.jpg
> Swedish made Remington rolling block in 8x58r, the round is often called the 
> "Danish Kraig". Its quite powerful, in the 30-06 class. Originally a black 
> powder gun they were converted to smokeless, mine is dated 1892 for the 
> conversion. Dad has been playing with loads, it was working pretty well with 
> a 220gr jacketed bullet. I need more time shooting it, I rough at best.
> I also shot my Mossberg 500 with the slug barrel to get ready for deer 
> season. If all goes as planned (blah) I'll get 2 days of shotgun 
> season.https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4856/32193409368_72deeba77b_b.jpg
> The lower bulls are where I started sighting in, I'm reasonably happy with it 
> considering its got a shotgun trigger...
> Dad brought out his 25-20, the scope is reproduction but period. He shoots 
> really well with it, I can barely make it hit the ground: 
> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4864/32193405758_f0a4fe9d05_b.jpg
> Finally I dialed in my black powder deer gun, I'll only get 2 days of shotgun 
> season but should have 5 or 6 of black powder season: 
> https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1754/27872740887_471c6a931d_b.jpgThis was only 
> the second time I've gotten to shoot it since I bought it in February, it 
> took a long time to work up a good load, finally settled on .530 roundball, 
> 50gr of black powder with a .010 greased patch. Oiled patches blew out and 
> didn't impart good spin to the ball, .015 patches were too thick to load. I'm 
> really pleased with the result.
> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4897/46014915692_6cf6682202_b.jpg
> -Curt
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[MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

As usual my dad and I spent black Friday at the range. This was my first 
opportunity to shoot last year's Christmas present: 
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4874/45152868525_9d850493b0_b.jpg
Swedish made Remington rolling block in 8x58r, the round is often called the 
"Danish Kraig". Its quite powerful, in the 30-06 class. Originally a black 
powder gun they were converted to smokeless, mine is dated 1892 for the 
conversion. Dad has been playing with loads, it was working pretty well with a 
220gr jacketed bullet. I need more time shooting it, I rough at best.
I also shot my Mossberg 500 with the slug barrel to get ready for deer season. 
If all goes as planned (blah) I'll get 2 days of shotgun 
season.https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4856/32193409368_72deeba77b_b.jpg
The lower bulls are where I started sighting in, I'm reasonably happy with it 
considering its got a shotgun trigger...
Dad brought out his 25-20, the scope is reproduction but period. He shoots 
really well with it, I can barely make it hit the ground: 
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4864/32193405758_f0a4fe9d05_b.jpg
Finally I dialed in my black powder deer gun, I'll only get 2 days of shotgun 
season but should have 5 or 6 of black powder season: 
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1754/27872740887_471c6a931d_b.jpgThis was only 
the second time I've gotten to shoot it since I bought it in February, it took 
a long time to work up a good load, finally settled on .530 roundball, 50gr of 
black powder with a .010 greased patch. Oiled patches blew out and didn't 
impart good spin to the ball, .015 patches were too thick to load. I'm really 
pleased with the result.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4897/46014915692_6cf6682202_b.jpg
-Curt
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