Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards
So I'm going to go 180 on you and a full on different direction. My opinion is to get a mechanical switch keyboard and then get double shot keys. Yes the boards can be a little pricey (mine was $129) but the double shot keys will never fade. As the letters are a physically different layer, not paint, silkscreening or sticker, you'd have to completely wear away the entire key to lose the letter. EdB On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:11 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 'Trying to set up new HP computer. Old HP keyboard has easily readable letters and symbols on the keys; markings on new keyboard keys are barely readable - are thin and very faintly/dimly printed. At first, thought I'd just use old keyboard with the new computer, but now I'm thinking the old one may not be 100% compatible with the new computer - some special features, etc. What ya think? -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards
Wilton has his problem solved but in case anyone else has a similar problem, there are easy-read and glow in the dark keyboards Here is another possibility http://www.evertek.com/viewpart.asp?auto=87109 or http://www.walmart.com/ip/Ergoguys-EZSee-Large-Print-Keyboard-Yellow/14700413 uuugly, but functional Or stickers http://www.amazon.com/KEYBOARD-STICKERS-TRANSPARENT-BACKGROUND-Online-Welcome®/dp/B002FPQBEM/ref=pd_bxgy_pc_img_z ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards
Well, I don't really have it solved. I'm still where I was when I asked the question - I don't know what features I may be missing by using the old keyboard, and still can't see the new one well enough to use it easily. BTW, my eyesight is excellent - 20/30 corrected to 20/20 with progressive lenses. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards Wilton has his problem solved but in case anyone else has a similar problem, there are easy-read and glow in the dark keyboards Here is another possibility http://www.evertek.com/viewpart.asp?auto=87109 or http://www.walmart.com/ip/Ergoguys-EZSee-Large-Print-Keyboard-Yellow/14700413 uuugly, but functional Or stickers http://www.amazon.com/KEYBOARD-STICKERS-TRANSPARENT-BACKGROUND-Online-Welcome®/dp/B002FPQBEM/ref=pd_bxgy_pc_img_z ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards
On Oct 25, 2014 10:17 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, I don't really have it solved. I'm still where I was when I asked the question - I don't know what features I may be missing by using the old keyboard, and still can't see the new one well enough to use it easily. BTW, You might not have the Windows key (usually between control and alt), that would be a loss as it is used for a lot of keyboard shortcuts. The other keys are usually just fun keys, I've seen: - volume up and down - play, pause, forward, reverse - the HP web site - random sites that paid for a dedicated key (Yahoo, MSN) - start a specific browser - start a specific music player - start Windows Media Player As long as you have the Windows key you probably will never miss any of the new things - even when I'm on a computer that has the new keys I still end up loading applications normally before I remember I have a special key. my eyesight is excellent - 20/30 corrected to 20/20 with progressive lenses. Attaboy! I'm a little younger than you and feel lucky to be corrected to 20/30. I can't see much uncorrected, every now and again one of the kids will hide my glasses just to see me wander around the house running into stuff. :) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards
Pop an identical key off of each keyboard key (letter q for instance) and see if they are exchangeable between keyboards. If they are, swap your old keys over to the new keyboard, careful not to mix them up, and then whichever new keys still haven't moved, those will need either a better sticker or maybe paint with finger nail polish. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards
'First thing I checked - keys not interchangeable, and my shaky hands preclude painting - already smeared 2 of 'em badly with MB # 9147 arktikweis. I think I'll be OK with old keyboard. We'll see. Wilton - Original Message - From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards Pop an identical key off of each keyboard key (letter q for instance) and see if they are exchangeable between keyboards. If they are, swap your old keys over to the new keyboard, careful not to mix them up, and then whichever new keys still haven't moved, those will need either a better sticker or maybe paint with finger nail polish. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards
'Trying to set up new HP computer. Old HP keyboard has easily readable letters and symbols on the keys; markings on new keyboard keys are barely readable - are thin and very faintly/dimly printed. At first, thought I'd just use old keyboard with the new computer, but now I'm thinking the old one may not be 100% compatible with the new computer - some special features, etc. What ya think? Or, are there little stickers available that I can put on the new keyboard keys to show the letters and symbols more boldly? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards
If the plugs are the same, it should work. new one is most likely USB. Depends how old the old one is. 10 yrs old, it probably is USB. older, round plug, it won't work unless you buy an adapticator. 'Trying to set up new HP computer. Old HP keyboard has easily readable letters and symbols on the keys; markings on new keyboard keys are barely readable - are thin and very faintly/dimly printed. At first, thought I'd just use old keyboard with the new computer, but now I'm thinking the old one may not be 100% compatible with the new computer - some special features, etc. What ya think? Or, are there little stickers available that I can put on the new keyboard keys to show the letters and symbols more boldly? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards
Toss them both and get a nice cordless keyboard and mouse set. RB On 24/10/2014 1:22 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: If the plugs are the same, it should work. new one is most likely USB. Depends how old the old one is. 10 yrs old, it probably is USB. older, round plug, it won't work unless you buy an adapticator. 'Trying to set up new HP computer. Old HP keyboard has easily readable letters and symbols on the keys; markings on new keyboard keys are barely readable - are thin and very faintly/dimly printed. At first, thought I'd just use old keyboard with the new computer, but now I'm thinking the old one may not be 100% compatible with the new computer - some special features, etc. What ya think? Or, are there little stickers available that I can put on the new keyboard keys to show the letters and symbols more boldly? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards
The old one should work fine, depending on the connector you might need a PS2--USB adapter. The older PS2 are the round ones, not sure new dumputers have those any more. --R On 10/24/14 2:11 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: 'Trying to set up new HP computer. Old HP keyboard has easily readable letters and symbols on the keys; markings on new keyboard keys are barely readable - are thin and very faintly/dimly printed. At first, thought I'd just use old keyboard with the new computer, but now I'm thinking the old one may not be 100% compatible with the new computer - some special features, etc. What ya think? Or, are there little stickers available that I can put on the new keyboard keys to show the letters and symbols more boldly? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards
New has USB; old has PS2. I have adapter and have plugged it in, and it seems to work generally; just not sure what special function keys may or may not be compatible. New has a few different/more symbols. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards The old one should work fine, depending on the connector you might need a PS2--USB adapter. The older PS2 are the round ones, not sure new dumputers have those any more. --R On 10/24/14 2:11 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: 'Trying to set up new HP computer. Old HP keyboard has easily readable letters and symbols on the keys; markings on new keyboard keys are barely readable - are thin and very faintly/dimly printed. At first, thought I'd just use old keyboard with the new computer, but now I'm thinking the old one may not be 100% compatible with the new computer - some special features, etc. What ya think? Or, are there little stickers available that I can put on the new keyboard keys to show the letters and symbols more boldly? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards
You might be able to remap some of those keys, either directly in your setup or with some little utility. Then you could put some labels on them, use them for different stuff. or not, I have always found that annoying. --R On 10/24/14 2:47 PM, WILTON wrote: New has USB; old has PS2. I have adapter and have plugged it in, and it seems to work generally; just not sure what special function keys may or may not be compatible. New has a few different/more symbols. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards The old one should work fine, depending on the connector you might need a PS2--USB adapter. The older PS2 are the round ones, not sure new dumputers have those any more. --R On 10/24/14 2:11 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: 'Trying to set up new HP computer. Old HP keyboard has easily readable letters and symbols on the keys; markings on new keyboard keys are barely readable - are thin and very faintly/dimly printed. At first, thought I'd just use old keyboard with the new computer, but now I'm thinking the old one may not be 100% compatible with the new computer - some special features, etc. What ya think? Or, are there little stickers available that I can put on the new keyboard keys to show the letters and symbols more boldly? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:28:04 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Toss them both and get a nice cordless keyboard and mouse set. Cordless mouse, yes. Cordless keyboard, NO! (Unless you want to have someone reading everything you are typing.) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards
On 24/10/2014 3:16 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:28:04 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Toss them both and get a nice cordless keyboard and mouse set. Cordless mouse, yes. Cordless keyboard, NO! (Unless you want to have someone reading everything you are typing.) Craig Hey, they will be pretty bored if they spend time reading what I am typing. Especially, when it is to the forum, such as is now the case. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards
I'm using a keyboard that is several computers old - and I don't miss the new special keys, as I don't use those functions. They are not essential, so try your old one and see if you think you are missing anything. I bet not . . . On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 1:47 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: New has USB; old has PS2. I have adapter and have plugged it in, and it seems to work generally; just not sure what special function keys may or may not be compatible. New has a few different/more symbols. Wilton -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:24 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wro I second that - OpenBSD ! On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote: OpenBSD! On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Ed Booher wrote: On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Linux... Solaris! I see your OpenBSD and raise you OpenSolaris! -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090425/47efb072/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: I second that - OpenBSD ! If you want to stay in the same family, but want something a bit more desktop oriented give PC-BSD a try. www.pcbsd.org Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
I guess in the new version they fixed the take over your computer and steal all your information security holes. Apparently the first version of Safari on PC was a disaster... Firefox is still better than Safari. I've played with Google's Chrome browser some too, its okay but I keep coming back to Firefox. -Curt Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:33:26 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: m1prf2sumx@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd suggest trying Apple's browser, Safari. It's available for Windows. It's faster than Firefox, but does not have as many add-ins if you're into customizing. Allan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/5d063281/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
Yeah there were some problems early on. I'm using the Safari 4 beta version on my PC and Mac (G4 PowerBook running Tiger). I rarely use any other browser. Unlike the first versions, I rarely encounter web sites that do not render properly. The PC version of the beta crashed a lot at first, but mysteriously has stabilized after a few weeks without my doing anything. I run it with plugins disabled, popups disabled, and prompting before accepting any downloads (as I would with any browser). I launched Firefox on the Mac a couple of days ago, had not used for a while and was stunned by how sluggish it was compared to Safari. Also my note about customizing Safari applies almost exclusively to the Mac. See http://pimpmysafari.com/ among others. Allan On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:37 -0700, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I guess in the new version they fixed the take over your computer and steal all your information security holes. Apparently the first version of Safari on PC was a disaster... Firefox is still better than Safari. I've played with Google's Chrome browser some too, its okay but I keep coming back to Firefox. -Curt Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:33:26 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: m1prf2sumx@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd suggest trying Apple's browser, Safari. It's available for Windows. It's faster than Firefox, but does not have as many add-ins if you're into customizing. Allan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/5d063281/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
For me it depends on what website I am using. Firefox works better with OWA. In other cases Safari works better. Of course IE works best of all... If I'm on a PC. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:37:04 To: Diesel Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer I guess in the new version they fixed the take over your computer and steal all your information security holes. Apparently the first version of Safari on PC was a disaster... Firefox is still better than Safari. I've played with Google's Chrome browser some too, its okay but I keep coming back to Firefox. -Curt Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:33:26 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: m1prf2sumx@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd suggest trying Apple's browser, Safari. It's available for Windows. It's faster than Firefox, but does not have as many add-ins if you're into customizing. Allan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/5d063281/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
From: Curt Raymond I guess in the new version they fixed the take over your computer and steal all your information security holes. Apparently the first version of Safari on PC was a disaster... Firefox is still better than Safari. I've played with Google's Chrome browser some too, its okay but I keep coming back to Firefox. -Curt -- Which firewall and antivirus do you use with Firefox? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2078 - Release Date: 04/24/09 07:54:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
Linux... Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:41:56 -0400 From: Archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 653c4e17ce8849e084fa682e6b05c...@billardef4d8b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed From: Curt Raymond I guess in the new version they fixed the take over your computer and steal all your information security holes. Apparently the first version of Safari on PC was a disaster... Firefox is still better than Safari. I've played with Google's Chrome browser some too, its okay but I keep coming back to Firefox. -Curt -- Which firewall and antivirus do you use with Firefox? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2078 - Release Date: 04/24/09 07:54:00 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/120105ab/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Linux... Alright, let's just start this fight right now Solaris! -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/cac70f40/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
OpenBSD! On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Ed Booher wrote: On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Linux... Alright, let's just start this fight right now Solaris! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I second that - OpenBSD ! On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote: OpenBSD! On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Ed Booher wrote: On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Linux... Alright, let's just start this fight right now Solaris! -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos KD5NRO The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy Baron Manfred von Richthofen -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/d73941fc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not always, there are combo connectors that provide both... But thats not what I ment anyway. IDE has 2 connectors on one cable, SATA has only one. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:58:33 -0700 From: Douglas jgi...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 787cc5b5f5094f88b275f4be7b0a7...@dsherman5f2ea8 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Its two one power connector and one data connector. Douglas -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090423/98b14c01/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Should work the same as in XP although your files are probably in tiles view which I hate. Click on the view menu, choose details, click in the name heading and they'll be alphabetized. Want all folders to show up in detail view? In XP you'd go tools menu folder options view apply to all folders. I think Vista is the same or similar though I don't have on in front of me to look at. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:59:18 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: d091225c70514eee8e9272fc1b92b...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 More Vista fun. 'Bout to get over most of my frustratrion/hastle getting my new Vista computer running. One thing, though, is really bugging me - my document files are arranged by name/title in a very random fashion. I've always had them in alphabetical order before; how the etc. do I get the new system to sort and display them arranged in ascending alphabetical order for ease of finding the one I may want at any given time? Wilton 87 300D (112 kmi) 91 350SDL (192 kmi) 80 240D (deceased at 185 kmi) 81 300D (sold at ~150 kmi) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090423/7ed22a72/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks, Curt! Clicking on the Name heading was the key I needed. They're now alphabetrized. Thanks! Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Should work the same as in XP although your files are probably in tiles view which I hate. Click on the view menu, choose details, click in the name heading and they'll be alphabetized. Want all folders to show up in detail view? In XP you'd go tools menu folder options view apply to all folders. I think Vista is the same or similar though I don't have on in front of me to look at. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:59:18 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: d091225c70514eee8e9272fc1b92b...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 More Vista fun. 'Bout to get over most of my frustratrion/hastle getting my new Vista computer running. One thing, though, is really bugging me - my document files are arranged by name/title in a very random fashion. I've always had them in alphabetical order before; how the etc. do I get the new system to sort and display them arranged in ascending alphabetical order for ease of finding the one I may want at any given time? Wilton 87 300D (112 kmi) 91 350SDL (192 kmi) 80 240D (deceased at 185 kmi) 81 300D (sold at ~150 kmi) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090423/7ed22a72/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt, you did so well on that last question, let me give you another chance to excell. 'Can't get Spellcheck to work in Win Mail; 'works fine on documents, etc., but when I try it on a msg, a little window comes up saying, This language is no longer available for spell checking. Please select another in the spelling options dialog. I don't want another language; I wanta work in English. Again, it works fine on documents; how do I get it to wrk in Win Mail? TIA Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Thanks, Curt! Clicking on the Name heading was the key I needed. They're now alphabetrized. Thanks! Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Should work the same as in XP although your files are probably in tiles view which I hate. Click on the view menu, choose details, click in the name heading and they'll be alphabetized. Want all folders to show up in detail view? In XP you'd go tools menu folder options view apply to all folders. I think Vista is the same or similar though I don't have on in front of me to look at. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:59:18 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: d091225c70514eee8e9272fc1b92b...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 More Vista fun. 'Bout to get over most of my frustratrion/hastle getting my new Vista computer running. One thing, though, is really bugging me - my document files are arranged by name/title in a very random fashion. I've always had them in alphabetical order before; how the etc. do I get the new system to sort and display them arranged in ascending alphabetical order for ease of finding the one I may want at any given time? Wilton 87 300D (112 kmi) 91 350SDL (192 kmi) 80 240D (deceased at 185 kmi) 81 300D (sold at ~150 kmi) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090423/7ed22a72/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WILTON wrote: 'Can't get Spellcheck to work in Win Mail; 'works fine on documents, etc.,... Quit using WinMail and use Thunderbird!! *grin* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK. What the etc. is Thunderbird? 'Soun ds like a fine wine I've heard about. ; Wilton - Original Message - From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer WILTON wrote: 'Can't get Spellcheck to work in Win Mail; 'works fine on documents, etc.,... Quit using WinMail and use Thunderbird!! *grin* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WILTON wrote: OK. What the etc. is Thunderbird? 'Soun ds like a fine wine I've heard about. ; Mozilla Thunderbird for e-mail, Mozilla Firefox for browsing, both include spell check that red-underlines the words it doesn't like, and right-click gets you a list of suggestions. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer WILTON wrote: OK. What the etc. is Thunderbird? 'Soun ds like a fine wine I've heard about. ; Mozilla Thunderbird for e-mail, Mozilla Firefox for browsing, both include spell check that red-underlines the words it doesn't like, and right-click gets you a list of suggestions. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I got Spell-check to work in Win Mail by switching to French and back to English. It's working, now. 'Thought I tried that coupla days ago and didn't make any difference, but it did this time. Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Curt, you did so well on that last question, let me give you another chance to excell. 'Can't get Spellcheck to work in Win Mail; 'works fine on documents, etc., but when I try it on a msg, a little window comes up saying, This language is no longer available for spell checking. Please select another in the spelling options dialog. I don't want another language; I wanta work in English. Again, it works fine on documents; how do I get it to wrk in Win Mail? TIA Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Thanks, Curt! Clicking on the Name heading was the key I needed. They're now alphabetrized. Thanks! Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Should work the same as in XP although your files are probably in tiles view which I hate. Click on the view menu, choose details, click in the name heading and they'll be alphabetized. Want all folders to show up in detail view? In XP you'd go tools menu folder options view apply to all folders. I think Vista is the same or similar though I don't have on in front of me to look at. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:59:18 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: d091225c70514eee8e9272fc1b92b...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 More Vista fun. 'Bout to get over most of my frustratrion/hastle getting my new Vista computer running. One thing, though, is really bugging me - my document files are arranged by name/title in a very random fashion. I've always had them in alphabetical order before; how the etc. do I get the new system to sort and display them arranged in ascending alphabetical order for ease of finding the one I may want at any given time? Wilton 87 300D (112 kmi) 91 350SDL (192 kmi) 80 240D (deceased at 185 kmi) 81 300D (sold at ~150 kmi) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090423/7ed22a72/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thats 5 years of phone support experience shining through, no charge! -Curt Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:52:19 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 5a929b96b9b24cdc96cdf4c7d2b2c...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Thanks, Curt! Clicking on the Name heading was the key I needed. They're now alphabetrized. Thanks! Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090423/5b30132b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No idea, never even seen winmail. I use Yahoo mail for just about everything and have for several years now. At work we use Outlook... I'd be more than slightly nervous of winmail as Microsoft has had so many security holes in Outlook express over the years it leaks like a collander. One can bet winmail is based on Outlook express. Back when I used a mail client I liked Eudora. Started using it because Netscape mail didn't support PGP (pretty good privacy) and while I was in college we knew that the school was reading our emails (I'd worked for IT and our boss (that we liked) had gotten fired) so to screw with 'em we'd encrypt everything. The encryption made wanna go to dinner? into 5 pages of gobbledy-gook... Hilarious. -Curt Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:07:34 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 92779b0fa4ce4d458b1e91c58a847...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Curt, you did so well on that last question, let me give you another chance to excell. 'Can't get Spellcheck to work in Win Mail; 'works fine on documents, etc., but when I try it on a msg, a little window comes up saying, This language is no longer available for spell checking. Please select another in the spelling options dialog. I don't want another language; I wanta work in English. Again, it works fine on documents; how do I get it to wrk in Win Mail? TIA Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090423/46de5239/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'd suggest trying Apple's browser, Safari. It's available for Windows. It's faster than Firefox, but does not have as many add-ins if you're into customizing. Allan Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: WILTON wrote: OK. What the etc. is Thunderbird? 'Soun ds like a fine wine I've heard about. ; Mozilla Thunderbird for e-mail, Mozilla Firefox for browsing, both include spell check that red-underlines the words it doesn't like, and right-click gets you a list of suggestions. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
Hi Larry, And thanks very much for your help. I may try digging into this coming weekend and let you know how I make out. That is, unless I blow it all up, in which case, I won't be able to access the net. lol Take care, Ed 300E 2009/4/21 LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Hi Ed, It's really not that difficult. Each HD will have a diagram showing where to place a jumper to make one HD the master and one the slave. Using tweezers make it the easier. It really is easy. Once the jumper (a small black piece of plastic) is in place, you can install the 4 connector power wire and the 80 pin (??) data connection. Make sure you look closely at the daa connector - there's a plastic fence in the center of the connector that makes it only possible to install one way correctly. Look at the HD before installing it and you'll see what I'm talking about.The power cable will only install one way properly - the plug ad receptacle have corners removed to make it only work one way. Check with Wiki for more details or Google IDE/ATA drives and you'll see plenty of visual help// If you want I can give you my phone # in case you have questions. Take Care LarryT - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer I was thinking about installing the old HD internally into the new pc, but someone told me, you have to fiddle with pins on the back of the HD to tell the comp it's a slave drive. It all started to sound pretty confusing fast. lol My plan for the future is to keep most info on external drives, and the comp pretty much free. Haven't decided if the next comp will be another desktop, or take the jump and go laptop. For me, storage was always the biggest issue with computers and what made me upgrade to newer stuff. Truth is, for 95% of what I do, a 10 year old pc works pretty much ok, other than you become stuck with hardware that won't allow softward upgrades. Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Haven't loaded a Zip drive onto the new machine. 'Few days ago, though, I removed the HD from my old machine and inserted it into an HD enclosure (ordered from cablestogo.com) which I plugged into USB port on the new machine, making it, temporarily, a part of the new one. 'Wish I had done that immediately when I got the new computer; makes transfer of stuff very easy. Total cost of the enclosure, etc., including shipping, min. order charge, etc., was $35; saw a like unit at Staples for $41. 'Extremely easy to set it up - remove HD from old computer, open enclosure, plug in the two cables inside the unit, close it up, plug the unit's USB cable into new computer, plug in the enclosure's power cord, turn on the enclosure's power switch, and it comes up on the new computer screen as one of the new machine as one of it's drives; use it just like any of it's other drives. After I get what I want off it, I'll format the old drive, and use it for backup or whatever. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Wilton, I'm in a similar situation as you, trying to pull stuff old older machines, both a win98 and several old macs, and switching it over to a Vista machine. I borrowed a friends older Zip machine, as you mentioned using one in the past. Did you have any problems loading the old drivers onto your Vista machine? Once I get everything moved over, I'll back up on an external HD, but right now, the trick is getting everything one one machine. I haven't had much luck using a memory stick, as one of the old usb ports is 1.0, and to be honest, I'm not smart enough with computers to mess about switching HDs over from other machines. Thanks Wilton. Regards, Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com BTW, Wonko, I can get WCPE (theclassicalstation.org) on my new computer. 'Sure is nice! Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/58fea591/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/fca39c1f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:47 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: It's really not that difficult. Each HD will have a diagram showing where to place a jumper to make one HD the master and one the slave. Using tweezers make it the easier. It really is *Most* new computers, and as such most new OEM ATA drives, do not even ship with a Master or Slave configuration. There is a third option, called Cable Select, that allows you to put the drive in on any open IDE connector and have it work, again provided that the computer is only a couple of years old. The cable itself becomes the determinator as to whether the drive is configured as Master or Slave. Most *drives* made in the last, oh, 7 years have the CS setting. But computers have only recently started using it properly. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090422/bda2e750/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Isn't SATA one drive one connector? Your post is a bit vauge... On IDE to get full 133MB/s (which is still theoretical max) speed you need an 80 connector cable (still 40 pins though) where one connector is for master and the other for slave. I've even got a computer that complains if the cable isn't 80 pin and could be (meaning the drive supports it). -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:44:46 -0400 From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 446c86e30904221044p2714c609s4403434d66685...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:47 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: It's really not that difficult. Each HD will have a diagram showing where to place a jumper to make one HD the master and one the slave. Using tweezers make it the easier. It really is *Most* new computers, and as such most new OEM ATA drives, do not even ship with a Master or Slave configuration. There is a third option, called Cable Select, that allows you to put the drive in on any open IDE connector and have it work, again provided that the computer is only a couple of years old. The cable itself becomes the determinator as to whether the drive is configured as Master or Slave. Most *drives* made in the last, oh, 7 years have the CS setting. But computers have only recently started using it properly. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090422/3ee2f238/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Isn't SATA one drive one connector? Your post is a bit vauge... Correct. SATA is Serial, so 1:1 ratio. There is no such thing as Master/Slave in SATA. On IDE to get full 133MB/s (which is still theoretical max) speed you need an 80 connector cable (still 40 pins though) where one connector is for master and the other for slave. I've even got a computer that complains if the cable isn't 80 pin and could be (meaning the drive supports it). The drive that is complaining about the cable not being 80 pin is Cable Select compatible. The 80 pin cable allows the IDE controller to sense which connector the drive is plugged into, thus eliminating the need for the Master/Slave jumper. Set it to CS and place it on Connector 1 for Master, Connector 2 for Slave. -Curt EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090422/0b9b2e84/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I thought that the extra wires in an 80 pin cable were ground wires, which isolate the data wires from one another to allow higher transfer speeds and less cross talk. Cable select can still be used with 40 pin cables that are wired correctly. Tyler Ed Booher wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Isn't SATA one drive one connector? Your post is a bit vauge... Correct. SATA is Serial, so 1:1 ratio. There is no such thing as Master/Slave in SATA. On IDE to get full 133MB/s (which is still theoretical max) speed you need an 80 connector cable (still 40 pins though) where one connector is for master and the other for slave. I've even got a computer that complains if the cable isn't 80 pin and could be (meaning the drive supports it). The drive that is complaining about the cable not being 80 pin is Cable Select compatible. The 80 pin cable allows the IDE controller to sense which connector the drive is plugged into, thus eliminating the need for the Master/Slave jumper. Set it to CS and place it on Connector 1 for Master, Connector 2 for Slave. -Curt EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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More Vista fun. 'Bout to get over most of my frustratrion/hastle getting my new Vista computer running. One thing, though, is really bugging me - my document files are arranged by name/title in a very random fashion. I've always had them in alphabetical order before; how the etc. do I get the new system to sort and display them arranged in ascending alphabetical order for ease of finding the one I may want at any given time? Wilton 87 300D (112 kmi) 91 350SDL (192 kmi) 80 240D (deceased at 185 kmi) 81 300D (sold at ~150 kmi) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090422/46def176/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Its two one power connector and one data connector. Douglas - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Isn't SATA one drive one connector? Your post is a bit vauge... On IDE to get full 133MB/s (which is still theoretical max) speed you need an 80 connector cable (still 40 pins though) where one connector is for master and the other for slave. I've even got a computer that complains if the cable isn't 80 pin and could be (meaning the drive supports it). -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:44:46 -0400 From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 446c86e30904221044p2714c609s4403434d66685...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:47 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: It's really not that difficult. Each HD will have a diagram showing where to place a jumper to make one HD the master and one the slave. Using tweezers make it the easier. It really is *Most* new computers, and as such most new OEM ATA drives, do not even ship with a Master or Slave configuration. There is a third option, called Cable Select, that allows you to put the drive in on any open IDE connector and have it work, again provided that the computer is only a couple of years old. The cable itself becomes the determinator as to whether the drive is configured as Master or Slave. Most *drives* made in the last, oh, 7 years have the CS setting. But computers have only recently started using it properly. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090422/3ee2f238/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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BZZZTT! WRONG! Drives are drives, an IDE drive which is new to a chain must be set to slave no matter if its a Mac or PC, its a bus requirement. SCSI drives work EXACTLY the same on Macs as PCs as do SATA. In fact Macs have had over the years some extremely convoluted rules about what drive can go in, how big it can be, what controller it can use, etc. Fortunately for all computer users SATA drives are really quite simple as you put one drive on one connector. As long as you've got connectors you can add drives. In fact I want to pick up an SATA board soon as SATA drives are very cheap and I want to add more storage to my video editing system. -Curt Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:13:18 -0500 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: d2e54616-7bb7-4ebf-8c55-99447863d...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Macs are easier -- I have hooked up all sorts of combinations of hard drives (SCSI, IDE, external, internal, firewire, USB) with no trouble at all. They also read Windoze and DOS disks and hard drives, although the programs will only run if you have the correct emulation software loaded. Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090421/9f70fad0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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People hate to throw drives away. I have a customer on the west coast (a MAJOR broadcast customer) who until very recently had a storage system made of up 100 9GB drives... They'd paid probably $1,000,000 for the system back in 2000 and they'd worked pretty much flawlessly for ~9 years. The problem was that the whole system was about the same size as 1 drive on the systems we sell now for around 1/10 the price. The new system is also 4-10 times faster... They finally upgraded because the drives started failing and replacements are no longer available. They're quite happy with the speed and space improvements on the new system but are still holding back final approval because they want to be sure they get the lifespan out of this system... -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:09:12 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: m1r5zmtzpz@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Honestly, unless it's a relative new and large capacity drive, it's probably not worth the trouble. An old 2GB drive for example is hardly worth bothering with, considering any new PC will likely have a 120GB or larger hard drive out of the box. That 2GB drive does not really add much capacity, and if it's old its lifespan may be nearing its end. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090421/5d2982f7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My old HD, in its enclosure, is plugged into and external USB port; no room on INSIDE of my new cabinet for another HD - I just plugged it into a USB port on the back of the cabinet. The computer sees it as an extra drive and uses it like any other drive, such as CD, flash, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer hmmm, I'll have to open the new computer up over the weekend and see if the cables will allow me to add another HD. I might just give it a shot and see what happens. So once the second HD is installed internally, the comp should see it as an extra drive, no other messing about needed? I guess if it doesn't work, I can always go back to the way things were. I think me new comp is a slim case like yours Wilton, but there seems to be one or two free bays. Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com My old HD connected to the new computer doesn't know nor care if it's inside or outside; 'works the same either way and was plug-and-play easy - 'just plug it in, turn it on and it's done. BTW, my old computer was fine for what I need if I could have depended on its working when I needed it; it hung up/stopped too much; had to reboot often, etc., and, of course, I couldn't get upgraded programs for some stuff I wanted to run. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer I was thinking about installing the old HD internally into the new pc, but someone told me, you have to fiddle with pins on the back of the HD to tell the comp it's a slave drive. It all started to sound pretty confusing fast. lol My plan for the future is to keep most info on external drives, and the comp pretty much free. Haven't decided if the next comp will be another desktop, or take the jump and go laptop. For me, storage was always the biggest issue with computers and what made me upgrade to newer stuff. Truth is, for 95% of what I do, a 10 year old pc works pretty much ok, other than you become stuck with hardware that won't allow softward upgrades. Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Haven't loaded a Zip drive onto the new machine. 'Few days ago, though, I removed the HD from my old machine and inserted it into an HD enclosure (ordered from cablestogo.com) which I plugged into USB port on the new machine, making it, temporarily, a part of the new one. 'Wish I had done that immediately when I got the new computer; makes transfer of stuff very easy. Total cost of the enclosure, etc., including shipping, min. order charge, etc., was $35; saw a like unit at Staples for $41. 'Extremely easy to set it up - remove HD from old computer, open enclosure, plug in the two cables inside the unit, close it up, plug the unit's USB cable into new computer, plug in the enclosure's power cord, turn on the enclosure's power switch, and it comes up on the new computer screen as one of the new machine as one of it's drives; use it just like any of it's other drives. After I get what I want off it, I'll format the old drive, and use it for backup or whatever. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Wilton, I'm in a similar situation as you, trying to pull stuff old older machines, both a win98 and several old macs, and switching it over to a Vista machine. I borrowed a friends older Zip machine, as you mentioned using one in the past. Did you have any problems loading the old drivers onto your Vista machine? Once I get everything moved over, I'll back up on an external HD, but right now, the trick is getting everything one one machine. I haven't had much luck using a memory stick, as one of the old usb ports is 1.0, and to be honest, I'm not smart enough with computers to mess about switching HDs over from other machines. Thanks Wilton. Regards, Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com BTW, Wonko, I can get WCPE (theclassicalstation.org) on my new computer. 'Sure is nice! Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/58fea591/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/fca39c1f/attachment.html
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Ed, most of the drives have a picture on the top to show you which jumper to move and to where. Not a big deal. Manfred Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:09:11 -0400 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer I was thinking about installing the old HD internally into the new pc, but someone told me, you have to fiddle with pins on the back of the HD to tell the comp it's a slave drive. It all started to sound pretty confusing fast. lol My plan for the future is to keep most info on external drives, and the comp pretty much free. Haven't decided if the next comp will be another desktop, or take the jump and go laptop. For me, storage was always the biggest issue with computers and what made me upgrade to newer stuff. Truth is, for 95% of what I do, a 10 year old pc works pretty much ok, other than you become stuck with hardware that won't allow softward upgrades. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My old HD is 11.5 GB, but the REAL reason I connected it to my new computer was to retrieve some files, etc., that I was having a hard time moving with the drives separtated. Instructions with the new computer say, Use Windows Easy Transfer. That's BS - 'can't do it from Win 98 without proper program from Microsoft, who doesn't give a damned about Win 98 anymore. If I'd known about the HD enclosure-move-to-the-new-computer immediately, I could have saved a lot (several days) of hastle and more of the files, etc., that I wanted. Thanks, to Russ, Craig, Allen, Tim, Larry and others who instructed and encouraged me to move the old HD. Wilton - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Honestly, unless it's a relative new and large capacity drive, it's probably not worth the trouble. An old 2GB drive for example is hardly worth bothering with, considering any new PC will likely have a 120GB or larger hard drive out of the box. That 2GB drive does not really add much capacity, and if it's old its lifespan may be nearing its end. E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes: hmmm, I'll have to open the new computer up over the weekend and see if the cables will allow me to add another HD. I might just give it a shot and see what happens. So once the second HD is installed internally, the comp should see it as an extra drive, no other messing about needed? I guess if it doesn't work, I can always go back to the way things were. I think me new comp is a slim case like yours Wilton, but there seems to be one or two free bays. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually, on a Mac all SCSI drives were 50 pin. Needed driver software for anything but Apple rom drives (the one thing I really dislike about Apple), but they were freely available elsewhere. Yes, you did have to set the ID, but like IDE slave drives, that's a bus requirement. IDE was easy, although some early IDE equipped macs would only see 120GB due to chip limitations. Shipped with a 2GB or 4GB drive at the time, and there were no larger drives. All in all easier than PCs -- once you got it live, it shows up on the desktop, no messing about with drive letters and all that junk. Peter -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Apr 21, 2009 7:38 AM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer BZZZTT! WRONG! Drives are drives, an IDE drive which is new to a chain must be set to slave no matter if its a Mac or PC, its a bus requirement. SCSI drives work EXACTLY the same on Macs as PCs as do SATA. In fact Macs have had over the years some extremely convoluted rules about what drive can go in, how big it can be, what controller it can use, etc. Fortunately for all computer users SATA drives are really quite simple as you put one drive on one connector. As long as you've got connectors you can add drives. In fact I want to pick up an SATA board soon as SATA drives are very cheap and I want to add more storage to my video editing system. -Curt Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:13:18 -0500 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: d2e54616-7bb7-4ebf-8c55-99447863d...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Macs are easier -- I have hooked up all sorts of combinations of hard drives (SCSI, IDE, external, internal, firewire, USB) with no trouble at all. They also read Windoze and DOS disks and hard drives, although the programs will only run if you have the correct emulation software loaded. Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090421/9f70fad0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WILTON wrote: My old HD, in its enclosure, is plugged into and external USB port; no room on INSIDE of my new cabinet for another HD That happened to me too, with my new Compaq. My last eMachine came with two internal 3 1/2 bays and three external 5 1/4 bays. The POS Compaq has ONE 3 1/2 hard drive bay, and two externally accessible 5 1/4 bays, so I can have a 2nd optical drive or a 2nd hard drive, but not both. And this is a full size case, not a slimline! Then I tried to connect my backup modem and found out there's no serial or parallel ports. The final blow was when Windoze gave me a message box telling me that my USB 2.0 device would run faster if I didn't have it plugged in to a USB 1.0 port. So, the geniuses at H-P think I have no need for internal storage, but all they gave me to hook up external storage was some ten year old USB ports??? (either that, or XP Pro set up the wrong driver for the USB ports) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hi Ed, It's really not that difficult. Each HD will have a diagram showing where to place a jumper to make one HD the master and one the slave. Using tweezers make it the easier. It really is easy. Once the jumper (a small black piece of plastic) is in place, you can install the 4 connector power wire and the 80 pin (??) data connection. Make sure you look closely at the daa connector - there's a plastic fence in the center of the connector that makes it only possible to install one way correctly. Look at the HD before installing it and you'll see what I'm talking about.The power cable will only install one way properly - the plug ad receptacle have corners removed to make it only work one way. Check with Wiki for more details or Google IDE/ATA drives and you'll see plenty of visual help// If you want I can give you my phone # in case you have questions. Take Care LarryT - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer I was thinking about installing the old HD internally into the new pc, but someone told me, you have to fiddle with pins on the back of the HD to tell the comp it's a slave drive. It all started to sound pretty confusing fast. lol My plan for the future is to keep most info on external drives, and the comp pretty much free. Haven't decided if the next comp will be another desktop, or take the jump and go laptop. For me, storage was always the biggest issue with computers and what made me upgrade to newer stuff. Truth is, for 95% of what I do, a 10 year old pc works pretty much ok, other than you become stuck with hardware that won't allow softward upgrades. Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Haven't loaded a Zip drive onto the new machine. 'Few days ago, though, I removed the HD from my old machine and inserted it into an HD enclosure (ordered from cablestogo.com) which I plugged into USB port on the new machine, making it, temporarily, a part of the new one. 'Wish I had done that immediately when I got the new computer; makes transfer of stuff very easy. Total cost of the enclosure, etc., including shipping, min. order charge, etc., was $35; saw a like unit at Staples for $41. 'Extremely easy to set it up - remove HD from old computer, open enclosure, plug in the two cables inside the unit, close it up, plug the unit's USB cable into new computer, plug in the enclosure's power cord, turn on the enclosure's power switch, and it comes up on the new computer screen as one of the new machine as one of it's drives; use it just like any of it's other drives. After I get what I want off it, I'll format the old drive, and use it for backup or whatever. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Wilton, I'm in a similar situation as you, trying to pull stuff old older machines, both a win98 and several old macs, and switching it over to a Vista machine. I borrowed a friends older Zip machine, as you mentioned using one in the past. Did you have any problems loading the old drivers onto your Vista machine? Once I get everything moved over, I'll back up on an external HD, but right now, the trick is getting everything one one machine. I haven't had much luck using a memory stick, as one of the old usb ports is 1.0, and to be honest, I'm not smart enough with computers to mess about switching HDs over from other machines. Thanks Wilton. Regards, Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com BTW, Wonko, I can get WCPE (theclassicalstation.org) on my new computer. 'Sure is nice! Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/58fea591/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/fca39c1f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http
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BTW, Wonko, I can get WCPE (theclassicalstation.org) on my new computer. 'Sure is nice! Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/58fea591/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wilton, I'm in a similar situation as you, trying to pull stuff old older machines, both a win98 and several old macs, and switching it over to a Vista machine. I borrowed a friends older Zip machine, as you mentioned using one in the past. Did you have any problems loading the old drivers onto your Vista machine? Once I get everything moved over, I'll back up on an external HD, but right now, the trick is getting everything one one machine. I haven't had much luck using a memory stick, as one of the old usb ports is 1.0, and to be honest, I'm not smart enough with computers to mess about switching HDs over from other machines. Thanks Wilton. Regards, Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com BTW, Wonko, I can get WCPE (theclassicalstation.org) on my new computer. 'Sure is nice! Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/58fea591/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/fca39c1f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Haven't loaded a Zip drive onto the new machine. 'Few days ago, though, I removed the HD from my old machine and inserted it into an HD enclosure (ordered from cablestogo.com) which I plugged into USB port on the new machine, making it, temporarily, a part of the new one. 'Wish I had done that immediately when I got the new computer; makes transfer of stuff very easy. Total cost of the enclosure, etc., including shipping, min. order charge, etc., was $35; saw a like unit at Staples for $41. 'Extremely easy to set it up - remove HD from old computer, open enclosure, plug in the two cables inside the unit, close it up, plug the unit's USB cable into new computer, plug in the enclosure's power cord, turn on the enclosure's power switch, and it comes up on the new computer screen as one of the new machine as one of it's drives; use it just like any of it's other drives. After I get what I want off it, I'll format the old drive, and use it for backup or whatever. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Wilton, I'm in a similar situation as you, trying to pull stuff old older machines, both a win98 and several old macs, and switching it over to a Vista machine. I borrowed a friends older Zip machine, as you mentioned using one in the past. Did you have any problems loading the old drivers onto your Vista machine? Once I get everything moved over, I'll back up on an external HD, but right now, the trick is getting everything one one machine. I haven't had much luck using a memory stick, as one of the old usb ports is 1.0, and to be honest, I'm not smart enough with computers to mess about switching HDs over from other machines. Thanks Wilton. Regards, Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com BTW, Wonko, I can get WCPE (theclassicalstation.org) on my new computer. 'Sure is nice! Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/58fea591/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/fca39c1f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
BTW, Ed, if you can change the oil or a light bulb, etc., on a Mercedes, you can move that old Win 98 HD to the new computer like I did. I don't know 'bout the Mac stuff, though. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Haven't loaded a Zip drive onto the new machine. 'Few days ago, though, I removed the HD from my old machine and inserted it into an HD enclosure (ordered from cablestogo.com) which I plugged into USB port on the new machine, making it, temporarily, a part of the new one. 'Wish I had done that immediately when I got the new computer; makes transfer of stuff very easy. Total cost of the enclosure, etc., including shipping, min. order charge, etc., was $35; saw a like unit at Staples for $41. 'Extremely easy to set it up - remove HD from old computer, open enclosure, plug in the two cables inside the unit, close it up, plug the unit's USB cable into new computer, plug in the enclosure's power cord, turn on the enclosure's power switch, and it comes up on the new computer screen as one of the new machine as one of it's drives; use it just like any of it's other drives. After I get what I want off it, I'll format the old drive, and use it for backup or whatever. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Wilton, I'm in a similar situation as you, trying to pull stuff old older machines, both a win98 and several old macs, and switching it over to a Vista machine. I borrowed a friends older Zip machine, as you mentioned using one in the past. Did you have any problems loading the old drivers onto your Vista machine? Once I get everything moved over, I'll back up on an external HD, but right now, the trick is getting everything one one machine. I haven't had much luck using a memory stick, as one of the old usb ports is 1.0, and to be honest, I'm not smart enough with computers to mess about switching HDs over from other machines. Thanks Wilton. Regards, Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com BTW, Wonko, I can get WCPE (theclassicalstation.org) on my new computer. 'Sure is nice! Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/58fea591/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/fca39c1f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
That is the only thing that keeps me quasi-sane during my workday. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:22 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: BTW, Wonko, I can get WCPE (theclassicalstation.org) on my new computer. 'Sure is nice! Wilton -- I am unconventional. I do not apologize for that. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/5c25ecb1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
It is soothing; your patients can probably use some of that, too. ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer That is the only thing that keeps me quasi-sane during my workday. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:22 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: BTW, Wonko, I can get WCPE (theclassicalstation.org) on my new computer. 'Sure is nice! Wilton -- I am unconventional. I do not apologize for that. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/5c25ecb1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
I can't find the drain plug on this HP anywhere. lol Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com BTW, Ed, if you can change the oil or a light bulb, etc., on a Mercedes, you can move that old Win 98 HD to the new computer like I did. I don't know 'bout the Mac stuff, though. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Haven't loaded a Zip drive onto the new machine. 'Few days ago, though, I removed the HD from my old machine and inserted it into an HD enclosure (ordered from cablestogo.com) which I plugged into USB port on the new machine, making it, temporarily, a part of the new one. 'Wish I had done that immediately when I got the new computer; makes transfer of stuff very easy. Total cost of the enclosure, etc., including shipping, min. order charge, etc., was $35; saw a like unit at Staples for $41. 'Extremely easy to set it up - remove HD from old computer, open enclosure, plug in the two cables inside the unit, close it up, plug the unit's USB cable into new computer, plug in the enclosure's power cord, turn on the enclosure's power switch, and it comes up on the new computer screen as one of the new machine as one of it's drives; use it just like any of it's other drives. After I get what I want off it, I'll format the old drive, and use it for backup or whatever. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Wilton, I'm in a similar situation as you, trying to pull stuff old older machines, both a win98 and several old macs, and switching it over to a Vista machine. I borrowed a friends older Zip machine, as you mentioned using one in the past. Did you have any problems loading the old drivers onto your Vista machine? Once I get everything moved over, I'll back up on an external HD, but right now, the trick is getting everything one one machine. I haven't had much luck using a memory stick, as one of the old usb ports is 1.0, and to be honest, I'm not smart enough with computers to mess about switching HDs over from other machines. Thanks Wilton. Regards, Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com BTW, Wonko, I can get WCPE (theclassicalstation.org) on my new computer. 'Sure is nice! Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/58fea591/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/fca39c1f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/d80aad9a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
I was thinking about installing the old HD internally into the new pc, but someone told me, you have to fiddle with pins on the back of the HD to tell the comp it's a slave drive. It all started to sound pretty confusing fast. lol My plan for the future is to keep most info on external drives, and the comp pretty much free. Haven't decided if the next comp will be another desktop, or take the jump and go laptop. For me, storage was always the biggest issue with computers and what made me upgrade to newer stuff. Truth is, for 95% of what I do, a 10 year old pc works pretty much ok, other than you become stuck with hardware that won't allow softward upgrades. Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Haven't loaded a Zip drive onto the new machine. 'Few days ago, though, I removed the HD from my old machine and inserted it into an HD enclosure (ordered from cablestogo.com) which I plugged into USB port on the new machine, making it, temporarily, a part of the new one. 'Wish I had done that immediately when I got the new computer; makes transfer of stuff very easy. Total cost of the enclosure, etc., including shipping, min. order charge, etc., was $35; saw a like unit at Staples for $41. 'Extremely easy to set it up - remove HD from old computer, open enclosure, plug in the two cables inside the unit, close it up, plug the unit's USB cable into new computer, plug in the enclosure's power cord, turn on the enclosure's power switch, and it comes up on the new computer screen as one of the new machine as one of it's drives; use it just like any of it's other drives. After I get what I want off it, I'll format the old drive, and use it for backup or whatever. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Wilton, I'm in a similar situation as you, trying to pull stuff old older machines, both a win98 and several old macs, and switching it over to a Vista machine. I borrowed a friends older Zip machine, as you mentioned using one in the past. Did you have any problems loading the old drivers onto your Vista machine? Once I get everything moved over, I'll back up on an external HD, but right now, the trick is getting everything one one machine. I haven't had much luck using a memory stick, as one of the old usb ports is 1.0, and to be honest, I'm not smart enough with computers to mess about switching HDs over from other machines. Thanks Wilton. Regards, Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com BTW, Wonko, I can get WCPE (theclassicalstation.org) on my new computer. 'Sure is nice! Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/58fea591/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/fca39c1f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/b6c00782/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
Macs are easier -- I have hooked up all sorts of combinations of hard drives (SCSI, IDE, external, internal, firewire, USB) with no trouble at all. They also read Windoze and DOS disks and hard drives, although the programs will only run if you have the correct emulation software loaded. Peter On Apr 20, 2009, at 8:09 PM, E M wrote: I was thinking about installing the old HD internally into the new pc, but someone told me, you have to fiddle with pins on the back of the HD to tell the comp it's a slave drive. It all started to sound pretty confusing fast. lol My plan for the future is to keep most info on external drives, and the comp pretty much free. Haven't decided if the next comp will be another desktop, or take the jump and go laptop. For me, storage was always the biggest issue with computers and what made me upgrade to newer stuff. Truth is, for 95% of what I do, a 10 year old pc works pretty much ok, other than you become stuck with hardware that won't allow softward upgrades. Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Haven't loaded a Zip drive onto the new machine. 'Few days ago, though, I removed the HD from my old machine and inserted it into an HD enclosure (ordered from cablestogo.com) which I plugged into USB port on the new machine, making it, temporarily, a part of the new one. 'Wish I had done that immediately when I got the new computer; makes transfer of stuff very easy. Total cost of the enclosure, etc., including shipping, min. order charge, etc., was $35; saw a like unit at Staples for $41. 'Extremely easy to set it up - remove HD from old computer, open enclosure, plug in the two cables inside the unit, close it up, plug the unit's USB cable into new computer, plug in the enclosure's power cord, turn on the enclosure's power switch, and it comes up on the new computer screen as one of the new machine as one of it's drives; use it just like any of it's other drives. After I get what I want off it, I'll format the old drive, and use it for backup or whatever. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Wilton, I'm in a similar situation as you, trying to pull stuff old older machines, both a win98 and several old macs, and switching it over to a Vista machine. I borrowed a friends older Zip machine, as you mentioned using one in the past. Did you have any problems loading the old drivers onto your Vista machine? Once I get everything moved over, I'll back up on an external HD, but right now, the trick is getting everything one one machine. I haven't had much luck using a memory stick, as one of the old usb ports is 1.0, and to be honest, I'm not smart enough with computers to mess about switching HDs over from other machines. Thanks Wilton. Regards, Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com BTW, Wonko, I can get WCPE (theclassicalstation.org) on my new computer. 'Sure is nice! Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/ 20090420/58fea591/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/ 20090420/fca39c1f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20090420/b6c00782/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
My old HD connected to the new computer doesn't know nor care if it's inside or outside; 'works the same either way and was plug-and-play easy - 'just plug it in, turn it on and it's done. BTW, my old computer was fine for what I need if I could have depended on its working when I needed it; it hung up/stopped too much; had to reboot often, etc., and, of course, I couldn't get upgraded programs for some stuff I wanted to run. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer I was thinking about installing the old HD internally into the new pc, but someone told me, you have to fiddle with pins on the back of the HD to tell the comp it's a slave drive. It all started to sound pretty confusing fast. lol My plan for the future is to keep most info on external drives, and the comp pretty much free. Haven't decided if the next comp will be another desktop, or take the jump and go laptop. For me, storage was always the biggest issue with computers and what made me upgrade to newer stuff. Truth is, for 95% of what I do, a 10 year old pc works pretty much ok, other than you become stuck with hardware that won't allow softward upgrades. Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Haven't loaded a Zip drive onto the new machine. 'Few days ago, though, I removed the HD from my old machine and inserted it into an HD enclosure (ordered from cablestogo.com) which I plugged into USB port on the new machine, making it, temporarily, a part of the new one. 'Wish I had done that immediately when I got the new computer; makes transfer of stuff very easy. Total cost of the enclosure, etc., including shipping, min. order charge, etc., was $35; saw a like unit at Staples for $41. 'Extremely easy to set it up - remove HD from old computer, open enclosure, plug in the two cables inside the unit, close it up, plug the unit's USB cable into new computer, plug in the enclosure's power cord, turn on the enclosure's power switch, and it comes up on the new computer screen as one of the new machine as one of it's drives; use it just like any of it's other drives. After I get what I want off it, I'll format the old drive, and use it for backup or whatever. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Wilton, I'm in a similar situation as you, trying to pull stuff old older machines, both a win98 and several old macs, and switching it over to a Vista machine. I borrowed a friends older Zip machine, as you mentioned using one in the past. Did you have any problems loading the old drivers onto your Vista machine? Once I get everything moved over, I'll back up on an external HD, but right now, the trick is getting everything one one machine. I haven't had much luck using a memory stick, as one of the old usb ports is 1.0, and to be honest, I'm not smart enough with computers to mess about switching HDs over from other machines. Thanks Wilton. Regards, Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com BTW, Wonko, I can get WCPE (theclassicalstation.org) on my new computer. 'Sure is nice! Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/58fea591/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/fca39c1f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/b6c00782/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
Just pour a 1/4 cup of Mobil 1 15-W-50 into one of the USB ports. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:03 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I can't find the drain plug on this HP anywhere. lol Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com BTW, Ed, if you can change the oil or a light bulb, etc., on a Mercedes, you can move that old Win 98 HD to the new computer like I did. I don't know 'bout the Mac stuff, though. Wilton -- I walk to the beat of a different drummer. That is how I am. Deal with it. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/71478915/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
hmmm, I'll have to open the new computer up over the weekend and see if the cables will allow me to add another HD. I might just give it a shot and see what happens. So once the second HD is installed internally, the comp should see it as an extra drive, no other messing about needed? I guess if it doesn't work, I can always go back to the way things were. I think me new comp is a slim case like yours Wilton, but there seems to be one or two free bays. Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com My old HD connected to the new computer doesn't know nor care if it's inside or outside; 'works the same either way and was plug-and-play easy - 'just plug it in, turn it on and it's done. BTW, my old computer was fine for what I need if I could have depended on its working when I needed it; it hung up/stopped too much; had to reboot often, etc., and, of course, I couldn't get upgraded programs for some stuff I wanted to run. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer I was thinking about installing the old HD internally into the new pc, but someone told me, you have to fiddle with pins on the back of the HD to tell the comp it's a slave drive. It all started to sound pretty confusing fast. lol My plan for the future is to keep most info on external drives, and the comp pretty much free. Haven't decided if the next comp will be another desktop, or take the jump and go laptop. For me, storage was always the biggest issue with computers and what made me upgrade to newer stuff. Truth is, for 95% of what I do, a 10 year old pc works pretty much ok, other than you become stuck with hardware that won't allow softward upgrades. Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Haven't loaded a Zip drive onto the new machine. 'Few days ago, though, I removed the HD from my old machine and inserted it into an HD enclosure (ordered from cablestogo.com) which I plugged into USB port on the new machine, making it, temporarily, a part of the new one. 'Wish I had done that immediately when I got the new computer; makes transfer of stuff very easy. Total cost of the enclosure, etc., including shipping, min. order charge, etc., was $35; saw a like unit at Staples for $41. 'Extremely easy to set it up - remove HD from old computer, open enclosure, plug in the two cables inside the unit, close it up, plug the unit's USB cable into new computer, plug in the enclosure's power cord, turn on the enclosure's power switch, and it comes up on the new computer screen as one of the new machine as one of it's drives; use it just like any of it's other drives. After I get what I want off it, I'll format the old drive, and use it for backup or whatever. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer Wilton, I'm in a similar situation as you, trying to pull stuff old older machines, both a win98 and several old macs, and switching it over to a Vista machine. I borrowed a friends older Zip machine, as you mentioned using one in the past. Did you have any problems loading the old drivers onto your Vista machine? Once I get everything moved over, I'll back up on an external HD, but right now, the trick is getting everything one one machine. I haven't had much luck using a memory stick, as one of the old usb ports is 1.0, and to be honest, I'm not smart enough with computers to mess about switching HDs over from other machines. Thanks Wilton. Regards, Ed 300E 2009/4/20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com BTW, Wonko, I can get WCPE (theclassicalstation.org) on my new computer. 'Sure is nice! Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/58fea591/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090420/fca39c1f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:03:01 -0400 E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: hmmm, I'll have to open the new computer up over the weekend and see if the cables will allow me to add another HD. I might just give it a shot and see what happens. Wilton's is installed in a separate case, external from the computer. He was talking about taking the disk out of the old computer and putting it in an external box that's connected to the new computer with a USB cable. So once the second HD is installed internally, the comp should see it as an extra drive, no other messing about needed? I guess if it doesn't work, I can always go back to the way things were. As you commented earlier, connecting a disk internally is harder. You have the possibility of different types of data busses, as well as the need to set jumpers on some types of disks. Once you do have the disk connected correctly internally, you may have more difficulty in assigning it a disk letter (i.e., something like E:\). With the external disk Winders knows to add it automatically. I think me new comp is a slim case like yours Wilton, but there seems to be one or two free bays. Go the way (internal or external) you feel most comfortable with. Craig P.S. Notice all the junk at the bottom I trimmed off? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
Honestly, unless it's a relative new and large capacity drive, it's probably not worth the trouble. An old 2GB drive for example is hardly worth bothering with, considering any new PC will likely have a 120GB or larger hard drive out of the box. That 2GB drive does not really add much capacity, and if it's old its lifespan may be nearing its end. E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes: hmmm, I'll have to open the new computer up over the weekend and see if the cables will allow me to add another HD. I might just give it a shot and see what happens. So once the second HD is installed internally, the comp should see it as an extra drive, no other messing about needed? I guess if it doesn't work, I can always go back to the way things were. I think me new comp is a slim case like yours Wilton, but there seems to be one or two free bays. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 5:32 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Rcvd a 3.5 USB 2. HD enclosure via UPS early this afternoon. 'Removed HD from my old Win 98 computer and installed it in the enclosure. 'Plugged the USB plug into my new Vista computer; it recognozed the old HD immediately. 'Just transferred bunch of files from old to new that I had not done in last few days via flash drive. This arrangement (making the old HD a part of the new computer sure makes tranferring files easy - folders displayed on the screen side-by-side, etc. BTW, can I transfer WORKABLE APPLICATIONS/PROGRAMS in this mannner; i.e., by merely transferring an applicatrion or program from the old HD, can/should I expect it to work on the new one? Wilton As others have pointed out, the Windows Registry is very important to how Windows keeps track of where shared libraries and application specific files are kept. However, it isn't a requirement for Windows programming, and is up to the individual programmer to whether or not their application will require the Registry to keep track of items. Many Windows 9x programs utilized individual *.inf or *.ini files to keep track of their items themselves. The new Google browser, Chrome, was written to not only not make use of the Registry, but installs itself directly into the Local Settings directory of the logged in user. This way Chrome never triggers UAC and can be installed on any system even if you don't have admin rights, provided that you have write access to your own directories. So the best answer in this question is: Maybe. *If* the application didn't track itself via Registry, and *if* the application didn't utilize a form of Serial Key installation that is managed in a hidden file or the Registry itself, then yes. You can move the executable and access it directly. However, in these instances you will probably have to edit the local *.ini file to tell the application where it's new home is or it won't be able to find supporting files. Also, some applications are semi-self aware and can heal themselves so to speak. Ergo, again, if there is not some overriding Serial Key piracy measure in place and you move the executable to the new machine (in fact, as long as the hard drive is attached via USB, you don't even have to move the executable so long as the application knows to now find itself in V:\MYDIR instead of C:\) it will see it isn't in the Registry and attempt to add itself back in. So for all applications you are wanting to use, have the original install disks ready, try to run it, and the app will tell you if it wants to run or not. Regards, EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - New computer
'Rcvd a 3.5 USB 2. HD enclosure via UPS early this afternoon. 'Removed HD from my old Win 98 computer and installed it in the enclosure. 'Plugged the USB plug into my new Vista computer; it recognozed the old HD immediately. 'Just transferred bunch of files from old to new that I had not done in last few days via flash drive. This arrangement (making the old HD a part of the new computer sure makes tranferring files easy - folders displayed on the screen side-by-side, etc. BTW, can I transfer WORKABLE APPLICATIONS/PROGRAMS in this mannner; i.e., by merely transferring an applicatrion or program from the old HD, can/should I expect it to work on the new one? Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090417/0d2d198e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
WILTON wrote: by merely transferring an applicatrion or program from the old HD, can/should I expect it to work on the new one? Unlikely, unless you can also transfer the Registry keys that go with them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
If you downloaded a program and saved that download, you can install it again, most likely. If a program was installed from CDs it's doubtful. The registry would need to be modified and those changes are done during installation. But yes, it's very easy to backup files, photos, docs, etc by merely cut/paste or copy/paste. Once you;re sure there's nothing in the Windows folder you need, you can get 10-20gb of space by deleting those files. But there's a lot of stuff in there - make sure there's nothing you want. Like images.. Good luck - LArryT - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:32 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - New computer 'Rcvd a 3.5 USB 2. HD enclosure via UPS early this afternoon. 'Removed HD from my old Win 98 computer and installed it in the enclosure. 'Plugged the USB plug into my new Vista computer; it recognozed the old HD immediately. 'Just transferred bunch of files from old to new that I had not done in last few days via flash drive. This arrangement (making the old HD a part of the new computer sure makes tranferring files easy - folders displayed on the screen side-by-side, etc. BTW, can I transfer WORKABLE APPLICATIONS/PROGRAMS in this mannner; i.e., by merely transferring an applicatrion or program from the old HD, can/should I expect it to work on the new one? Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090417/0d2d198e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com LarryT Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer
Ed, They make 2 types of the Docking Station. One is Hot Swappable One is not. I have one of each. The Hot Swappable has a Button that when pushed Stops the Power to the drive and ejects the drive. With this one you don't have to Use Windoze Safely Remove Hardware feature. The type that doesn't do Hot Swappable you have to use SRH then Unplug the USB Cable Eject the drive Install new drive and hook the unit back up to the computer. These Units Only Supports the New SATA drives. DON'T try to put an ATA IDE type drive in it. Won't work. I spent 2 hours straightening the pins on an IDE drive that a client tried force into the Docking Station. Russ W. Ed Booher wrote: On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Here's one: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=EN391cat=HDD It uses both 3.5 and 2.5, one at a time of course. EdB Oh, check that out: General Features: Black housing Fits 2.5-inch and 3.5-inch SATA hard drives (not simultaneously) One (1) USB 2.0 compliant external connector USB 2.0 transfer rate up to 480 Mbps Support SATA Spread Spectrum Clock Hot Swap function On/Off switch Right there where it says Hot Swap function? You can power down the *dock* and swap hard drives without powering down the computer. I think I'm going to order one of those. EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer
Get rid of 'em or reinstall Win98 on the old machine and network the two machines together for the times you need those drives. For $20 you can buy a USB key drive with 1500x the storage of a floppy drive or 160x the storage of the zip drive and is more reliable than either while being way smaller and easier to transport. If you really love zip disks you could get a USB zip drive, I bet they're cheap on eBay. I've got one that I'm keeping for reasons I don't completely understand. -Curt Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:03:23 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: [MBZ] OT - new computer To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 77752986b99848da983226490a264...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Several of you have suggested I turn the hard drive from my old Win 98 computer into an external HD for the new Vista computer. Ya think I may be able to do that with the old Zip and 3.5 floppy drives, also? Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090413/649a6278/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer - storage
I picked up a 440 Gb Toshiba external USB hard drive at Sam's Club [on the sale shelf] for $36. It is the size of two decks of cards side by side. I will use it as a backup for my desktop and as an extended memory device on my new Sony UX380N handheld, though it already has a 40 Gb internal drive. I can't believe the low prices on storage these days. I'm flying Jacksonville to Anchorage AK this weekend for the birth of grandchild #6, and plan to stick several movies on it for the trip. I'm going through Seattle twice, but the hours really suck for trying to meet any of the Seattle folks. I also have a bay mount zip drive and about 20 zip disks, but they just gather dust these days. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:56 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer Get rid of 'em or reinstall Win98 on the old machine and network the two machines together for the times you need those drives. For $20 you can buy a USB key drive with 1500x the storage of a floppy drive or 160x the storage of the zip drive and is more reliable than either while being way smaller and easier to transport. If you really love zip disks you could get a USB zip drive, I bet they're cheap on eBay. I've got one that I'm keeping for reasons I don't completely understand. -Curt Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:03:23 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: [MBZ] OT - new computer To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 77752986b99848da983226490a264...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Several of you have suggested I turn the hard drive from my old Win 98 computer into an external HD for the new Vista computer. Ya think I may be able to do that with the old Zip and 3.5 floppy drives, also? Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090413/64 9a6278/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 3:26 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: No floppy and no bay that I can find; I see some open space in back for possible mounting of one on edge. The floppy drive is 4 wide - same as new cabinet. An external one via USB port may be better. Thanks. Wilton Just for ease of use so to speak, why don't you tell us Make and Model of the new computer. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 12:18 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I have a bunch of stuff on Zip; maybe I can transfer the necessary stuff to a flash drive on the old one, then to the new one, etc. Good plan, Wilton---I'd either copy the data on the Zip disks to the hard drive on the new machine by the method you outline if you need it readily accessible, or archive it to CD. Zip disks are not suited to long-term storage (a polite way of saying that they fail at the drop of a hat)---in particular, old ones are likely to be unreadable by any but the drive that originally wrote to them, in my experience. (Just realized I'm not following my own advice---I have a parallel port Zip drive, no currently active computer with a parallel port, and some old data that I just might want at some point lying around on Zip disks! Better rectify that...) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer
HP Pavilion Slimline - s3707c. Wilton - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 3:26 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: No floppy and no bay that I can find; I see some open space in back for possible mounting of one on edge. The floppy drive is 4 wide - same as new cabinet. An external one via USB port may be better. Thanks. Wilton Just for ease of use so to speak, why don't you tell us Make and Model of the new computer. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Several of you have suggested I turn the hard drive from my old Win 98 computer into an external HD for the new Vista computer. Ya think I may be able to do that with the old Zip and 3.5 floppy drives, also? Wilton --- On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: HP Pavilion Slimline - s3707c. Wilton Ah, thank you. To answer your questions: Can you use a Floppy drive? No. Can you use a Zip drive? Is it internal or external? But most likely No. At least not *inside* the case. The reason is that the motherboard you have is of the Non Legacy variety. It has no Floppy nor IDE headers. Both your Optical Drive and your Hard Drive are SATA, and since it is a slimline system with only two serviceable bays, there are exactly two SATA connectors on the board. Now. With that out of the way. You can purchase a USB powered floppy drive if you absolutely have to have a floppy. However, the Macs haven't had a floppy in over a decade, and I can not tell you the last time I *needed* to use a floppy. With USB keys, fast networks, and optical (CD/DVD) burners, data is more portable than ever. As far as the Zip drive is concerned. If it is one of the old external SCSI models, you *could* put a SCSI card into this machine, but only by purchasing a newer PCI-E model SCSI card. That could be cost prohibitive. I think they had some USB Zips there at the end, but you'd have to find one of those if that isn't what you already have. If it is an internal Zip, you could use an external drive housing made for a 5 1/4 size optical drive. This would allow you to convert IDE to USB and with a 5 1/4 to 3 1/2 drive mounting kit it would all fit together properly. I don't know of any 3 1/2 sized external cases that have open bays, most of those are for hard drives only and as such you wouldn't be able to use the disks as they are closed off. I agree with the statement someone else made in another thread of these posts. Keep the old machine, get a small network going, and when you need a file that is on one of those media transfer it from the old machine to the new. It's a very interesting motherboard, actually. According to the spec, you should have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400 Dual Core processor. But that board will handle the AMD Phenom Quad-Core should you want to upgrade. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer
'Decided I don't need the Zip; 'may get a USB external floppy drive. Can I remove the HD from the old Compaq Presario and use it as an external secondary/auxiliary HD via a USB port on the new HP? Wilton - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Several of you have suggested I turn the hard drive from my old Win 98 computer into an external HD for the new Vista computer. Ya think I may be able to do that with the old Zip and 3.5 floppy drives, also? Wilton --- On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: HP Pavilion Slimline - s3707c. Wilton Ah, thank you. To answer your questions: Can you use a Floppy drive? No. Can you use a Zip drive? Is it internal or external? But most likely No. At least not *inside* the case. The reason is that the motherboard you have is of the Non Legacy variety. It has no Floppy nor IDE headers. Both your Optical Drive and your Hard Drive are SATA, and since it is a slimline system with only two serviceable bays, there are exactly two SATA connectors on the board. Now. With that out of the way. You can purchase a USB powered floppy drive if you absolutely have to have a floppy. However, the Macs haven't had a floppy in over a decade, and I can not tell you the last time I *needed* to use a floppy. With USB keys, fast networks, and optical (CD/DVD) burners, data is more portable than ever. As far as the Zip drive is concerned. If it is one of the old external SCSI models, you *could* put a SCSI card into this machine, but only by purchasing a newer PCI-E model SCSI card. That could be cost prohibitive. I think they had some USB Zips there at the end, but you'd have to find one of those if that isn't what you already have. If it is an internal Zip, you could use an external drive housing made for a 5 1/4 size optical drive. This would allow you to convert IDE to USB and with a 5 1/4 to 3 1/2 drive mounting kit it would all fit together properly. I don't know of any 3 1/2 sized external cases that have open bays, most of those are for hard drives only and as such you wouldn't be able to use the disks as they are closed off. I agree with the statement someone else made in another thread of these posts. Keep the old machine, get a small network going, and when you need a file that is on one of those media transfer it from the old machine to the new. It's a very interesting motherboard, actually. According to the spec, you should have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400 Dual Core processor. But that board will handle the AMD Phenom Quad-Core should you want to upgrade. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:38 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Can I remove the HD from the old Compaq Presario and use it as an external secondary/auxiliary HD via a USB port on the new HP? Wilton Yup. Just have to transfer the old drive to an external case and plug in it, Vista will recognize the FAT (File Allocation Table) structure of the Win98 drive and you'll be able to use it as if it were internal. Though, I seem to remember you saying earlier that you've seen USB keys that dwarf the size of the HD in the old Win98 box. Monetarily, you might be better off to transfer everything to a USB key instead. (Though I think you said you were having some problems getting a USB key recognized on the old system, so that might be viable.) You should be able to pick up a drive case for around $20 or so. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer
BTW, Ed, I found an item on CablesToGo.com that SOUNDS/LOOKS like it may facilitate using my old HD as an external USB HD on the new one. It's an HD enclosure, supposedly with cables for conversion to USB. It's item # 29565, USB 2 Hard Drive Enclosure for 3.5in. Drive; third item down from top on their external hard drive page. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer 'Decided I don't need the Zip; 'may get a USB external floppy drive. Can I remove the HD from the old Compaq Presario and use it as an external secondary/auxiliary HD via a USB port on the new HP? Wilton - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Several of you have suggested I turn the hard drive from my old Win 98 computer into an external HD for the new Vista computer. Ya think I may be able to do that with the old Zip and 3.5 floppy drives, also? Wilton --- On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: HP Pavilion Slimline - s3707c. Wilton Ah, thank you. To answer your questions: Can you use a Floppy drive? No. Can you use a Zip drive? Is it internal or external? But most likely No. At least not *inside* the case. The reason is that the motherboard you have is of the Non Legacy variety. It has no Floppy nor IDE headers. Both your Optical Drive and your Hard Drive are SATA, and since it is a slimline system with only two serviceable bays, there are exactly two SATA connectors on the board. Now. With that out of the way. You can purchase a USB powered floppy drive if you absolutely have to have a floppy. However, the Macs haven't had a floppy in over a decade, and I can not tell you the last time I *needed* to use a floppy. With USB keys, fast networks, and optical (CD/DVD) burners, data is more portable than ever. As far as the Zip drive is concerned. If it is one of the old external SCSI models, you *could* put a SCSI card into this machine, but only by purchasing a newer PCI-E model SCSI card. That could be cost prohibitive. I think they had some USB Zips there at the end, but you'd have to find one of those if that isn't what you already have. If it is an internal Zip, you could use an external drive housing made for a 5 1/4 size optical drive. This would allow you to convert IDE to USB and with a 5 1/4 to 3 1/2 drive mounting kit it would all fit together properly. I don't know of any 3 1/2 sized external cases that have open bays, most of those are for hard drives only and as such you wouldn't be able to use the disks as they are closed off. I agree with the statement someone else made in another thread of these posts. Keep the old machine, get a small network going, and when you need a file that is on one of those media transfer it from the old machine to the new. It's a very interesting motherboard, actually. According to the spec, you should have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400 Dual Core processor. But that board will handle the AMD Phenom Quad-Core should you want to upgrade. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Just wanted to thank you for all the posts. I'm going through much the same thing as Wilton is at the moment, with both a newer HP machine, and trying to pull stuff off an old machine, with an old 1.0 usb, and a CD driver that doesn't burn. Once it's all transferred, I'll burn everything to CDs, and not let some of the hardware get so old. The old machine works fine, but it just became more trouble than worth. thanks again, Ed 300E 2009/4/13 Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:38 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Can I remove the HD from the old Compaq Presario and use it as an external secondary/auxiliary HD via a USB port on the new HP? Wilton Yup. Just have to transfer the old drive to an external case and plug in it, Vista will recognize the FAT (File Allocation Table) structure of the Win98 drive and you'll be able to use it as if it were internal. Though, I seem to remember you saying earlier that you've seen USB keys that dwarf the size of the HD in the old Win98 box. Monetarily, you might be better off to transfer everything to a USB key instead. (Though I think you said you were having some problems getting a USB key recognized on the old system, so that might be viable.) You should be able to pick up a drive case for around $20 or so. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090413/77488a1a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer
I order stuff from newegg.com, they have been very good. http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=92name=External-Enclosures I have 4 or 5 I have bought on sales here and there for $20. You shouldn't pay much more than that -- wow newegg has some for $9. --R WILTON wrote: BTW, Ed, I found an item on CablesToGo.com that SOUNDS/LOOKS like it may facilitate using my old HD as an external USB HD on the new one. It's an HD enclosure, supposedly with cables for conversion to USB. It's item # 29565, USB 2 Hard Drive Enclosure for 3.5in. Drive; third item down from top on their external hard drive page. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer 'Decided I don't need the Zip; 'may get a USB external floppy drive. Can I remove the HD from the old Compaq Presario and use it as an external secondary/auxiliary HD via a USB port on the new HP? Wilton - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Several of you have suggested I turn the hard drive from my old Win 98 computer into an external HD for the new Vista computer. Ya think I may be able to do that with the old Zip and 3.5 floppy drives, also? Wilton --- On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: HP Pavilion Slimline - s3707c. Wilton Ah, thank you. To answer your questions: Can you use a Floppy drive? No. Can you use a Zip drive? Is it internal or external? But most likely No. At least not *inside* the case. The reason is that the motherboard you have is of the Non Legacy variety. It has no Floppy nor IDE headers. Both your Optical Drive and your Hard Drive are SATA, and since it is a slimline system with only two serviceable bays, there are exactly two SATA connectors on the board. Now. With that out of the way. You can purchase a USB powered floppy drive if you absolutely have to have a floppy. However, the Macs haven't had a floppy in over a decade, and I can not tell you the last time I *needed* to use a floppy. With USB keys, fast networks, and optical (CD/DVD) burners, data is more portable than ever. As far as the Zip drive is concerned. If it is one of the old external SCSI models, you *could* put a SCSI card into this machine, but only by purchasing a newer PCI-E model SCSI card. That could be cost prohibitive. I think they had some USB Zips there at the end, but you'd have to find one of those if that isn't what you already have. If it is an internal Zip, you could use an external drive housing made for a 5 1/4 size optical drive. This would allow you to convert IDE to USB and with a 5 1/4 to 3 1/2 drive mounting kit it would all fit together properly. I don't know of any 3 1/2 sized external cases that have open bays, most of those are for hard drives only and as such you wouldn't be able to use the disks as they are closed off. I agree with the statement someone else made in another thread of these posts. Keep the old machine, get a small network going, and when you need a file that is on one of those media transfer it from the old machine to the new. It's a very interesting motherboard, actually. According to the spec, you should have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400 Dual Core processor. But that board will handle the AMD Phenom Quad-Core should you want to upgrade. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer
Hi Wilton - this might not apply so some of the far more tech savvy folks can help here. I have tried a couple of times to use devices that were not meant for USB with a USB adaptor and it never worked. Might be there is some transfer rate problem. I have no idea, but with the price of storage now I'd sure go with new. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer BTW, Ed, I found an item on CablesToGo.com that SOUNDS/LOOKS like it may facilitate using my old HD as an external USB HD on the new one. It's an HD enclosure, supposedly with cables for conversion to USB. It's item # 29565, USB 2 Hard Drive Enclosure for 3.5in. Drive; third item down from top on their external hard drive page. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer 'Decided I don't need the Zip; 'may get a USB external floppy drive. Can I remove the HD from the old Compaq Presario and use it as an external secondary/auxiliary HD via a USB port on the new HP? Wilton - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Several of you have suggested I turn the hard drive from my old Win 98 computer into an external HD for the new Vista computer. Ya think I may be able to do that with the old Zip and 3.5 floppy drives, also? Wilton --- On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: HP Pavilion Slimline - s3707c. Wilton Ah, thank you. To answer your questions: Can you use a Floppy drive? No. Can you use a Zip drive? Is it internal or external? But most likely No. At least not *inside* the case. The reason is that the motherboard you have is of the Non Legacy variety. It has no Floppy nor IDE headers. Both your Optical Drive and your Hard Drive are SATA, and since it is a slimline system with only two serviceable bays, there are exactly two SATA connectors on the board. Now. With that out of the way. You can purchase a USB powered floppy drive if you absolutely have to have a floppy. However, the Macs haven't had a floppy in over a decade, and I can not tell you the last time I *needed* to use a floppy. With USB keys, fast networks, and optical (CD/DVD) burners, data is more portable than ever. As far as the Zip drive is concerned. If it is one of the old external SCSI models, you *could* put a SCSI card into this machine, but only by purchasing a newer PCI-E model SCSI card. That could be cost prohibitive. I think they had some USB Zips there at the end, but you'd have to find one of those if that isn't what you already have. If it is an internal Zip, you could use an external drive housing made for a 5 1/4 size optical drive. This would allow you to convert IDE to USB and with a 5 1/4 to 3 1/2 drive mounting kit it would all fit together properly. I don't know of any 3 1/2 sized external cases that have open bays, most of those are for hard drives only and as such you wouldn't be able to use the disks as they are closed off. I agree with the statement someone else made in another thread of these posts. Keep the old machine, get a small network going, and when you need a file that is on one of those media transfer it from the old machine to the new. It's a very interesting motherboard, actually. According to the spec, you should have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400 Dual Core processor. But that board will handle the AMD Phenom Quad-Core should you want to upgrade. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive
Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer
Hey Wilton, Those external enclosers are great - They're available in 3.5 for desktop drives and 2.5 for laptop drives. There's also a Docking station that allows ou to plug either size in, then run a USB to the computer. I've got all of my old surviving HDs in enclosures - they make great places for storing things. Try to find the ones that get their power from the cmputer rather than requiring a seperate power supply. Sometimes all that wiring running across the floor can get hazardous. Good luck - LarryT - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer BTW, Ed, I found an item on CablesToGo.com that SOUNDS/LOOKS like it may facilitate using my old HD as an external USB HD on the new one. It's an HD enclosure, supposedly with cables for conversion to USB. It's item # 29565, USB 2 Hard Drive Enclosure for 3.5in. Drive; third item down from top on their external hard drive page. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer 'Decided I don't need the Zip; 'may get a USB external floppy drive. Can I remove the HD from the old Compaq Presario and use it as an external secondary/auxiliary HD via a USB port on the new HP? Wilton - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Several of you have suggested I turn the hard drive from my old Win 98 computer into an external HD for the new Vista computer. Ya think I may be able to do that with the old Zip and 3.5 floppy drives, also? Wilton --- On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: HP Pavilion Slimline - s3707c. Wilton Ah, thank you. To answer your questions: Can you use a Floppy drive? No. Can you use a Zip drive? Is it internal or external? But most likely No. At least not *inside* the case. The reason is that the motherboard you have is of the Non Legacy variety. It has no Floppy nor IDE headers. Both your Optical Drive and your Hard Drive are SATA, and since it is a slimline system with only two serviceable bays, there are exactly two SATA connectors on the board. Now. With that out of the way. You can purchase a USB powered floppy drive if you absolutely have to have a floppy. However, the Macs haven't had a floppy in over a decade, and I can not tell you the last time I *needed* to use a floppy. With USB keys, fast networks, and optical (CD/DVD) burners, data is more portable than ever. As far as the Zip drive is concerned. If it is one of the old external SCSI models, you *could* put a SCSI card into this machine, but only by purchasing a newer PCI-E model SCSI card. That could be cost prohibitive. I think they had some USB Zips there at the end, but you'd have to find one of those if that isn't what you already have. If it is an internal Zip, you could use an external drive housing made for a 5 1/4 size optical drive. This would allow you to convert IDE to USB and with a 5 1/4 to 3 1/2 drive mounting kit it would all fit together properly. I don't know of any 3 1/2 sized external cases that have open bays, most of those are for hard drives only and as such you wouldn't be able to use the disks as they are closed off. I agree with the statement someone else made in another thread of these posts. Keep the old machine, get a small network going, and when you need a file that is on one of those media transfer it from the old machine to the new. It's a very interesting motherboard, actually. According to the spec, you should have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400 Dual Core processor. But that board will handle the AMD Phenom Quad-Core should you want to upgrade. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com LarryT Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net
Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer
'Wouldn't be messing with the old one at all if I could transfer what I want from it in the socalled normal manner. All the instructions with the new HP say transfer from the old one using Windows Easy Transfer; I don't have the program and cable, and I was supposed to be able to down load the Win 98 program from the Microsoft web site, but it has been removed from the site. BTW, Tim C., you said a few days ago you may have the program, etc. Do you know, yet? Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer Hi Wilton - this might not apply so some of the far more tech savvy folks can help here. I have tried a couple of times to use devices that were not meant for USB with a USB adaptor and it never worked. Might be there is some transfer rate problem. I have no idea, but with the price of storage now I'd sure go with new. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer BTW, Ed, I found an item on CablesToGo.com that SOUNDS/LOOKS like it may facilitate using my old HD as an external USB HD on the new one. It's an HD enclosure, supposedly with cables for conversion to USB. It's item # 29565, USB 2 Hard Drive Enclosure for 3.5in. Drive; third item down from top on their external hard drive page. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer 'Decided I don't need the Zip; 'may get a USB external floppy drive. Can I remove the HD from the old Compaq Presario and use it as an external secondary/auxiliary HD via a USB port on the new HP? Wilton - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Several of you have suggested I turn the hard drive from my old Win 98 computer into an external HD for the new Vista computer. Ya think I may be able to do that with the old Zip and 3.5 floppy drives, also? Wilton --- On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: HP Pavilion Slimline - s3707c. Wilton Ah, thank you. To answer your questions: Can you use a Floppy drive? No. Can you use a Zip drive? Is it internal or external? But most likely No. At least not *inside* the case. The reason is that the motherboard you have is of the Non Legacy variety. It has no Floppy nor IDE headers. Both your Optical Drive and your Hard Drive are SATA, and since it is a slimline system with only two serviceable bays, there are exactly two SATA connectors on the board. Now. With that out of the way. You can purchase a USB powered floppy drive if you absolutely have to have a floppy. However, the Macs haven't had a floppy in over a decade, and I can not tell you the last time I *needed* to use a floppy. With USB keys, fast networks, and optical (CD/DVD) burners, data is more portable than ever. As far as the Zip drive is concerned. If it is one of the old external SCSI models, you *could* put a SCSI card into this machine, but only by purchasing a newer PCI-E model SCSI card. That could be cost prohibitive. I think they had some USB Zips there at the end, but you'd have to find one of those if that isn't what you already have. If it is an internal Zip, you could use an external drive housing made for a 5 1/4 size optical drive. This would allow you to convert IDE to USB and with a 5 1/4 to 3 1/2 drive mounting kit it would all fit together properly. I don't know of any 3 1/2 sized external cases that have open bays, most of those are for hard drives only and as such you wouldn't be able to use the disks as they are closed off. I agree with the statement someone else made in another thread of these posts. Keep the old machine, get a small network going, and when you need a file that is on one of those media transfer it from the old machine to the new. It's a very interesting motherboard, actually. According to the spec, you should have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400 Dual Core processor. But that board will handle the AMD Phenom Quad-Core should you want to upgrade. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go
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Hi Ed, You seem incredibly knowlegable about computer stuff! Maybe you can help me? I have a new Toshiba laptop that came with Vista. I'm not a happy camper and want to install XP. So, I thought it;d be simple to wipe the hard drive and install the new OS. Not so fast. The installation SW won't recognize the SATA disk drive - and the *only* way to get the SATA driver into the puter is with a freakin floppy drive. I've found a way so I will not need a floppy - by using nLite to integrate the driver into the XP install discs. But that's another story. I'd like to find a way to make sure the driver I found will work properly? Can you describe something that might work? One more thing - would Ubuntu or Fedora get around this problem? If you're too busy to bother just say so I'll find the answer somewhere else -- Thanks - LarryT - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Several of you have suggested I turn the hard drive from my old Win 98 computer into an external HD for the new Vista computer. Ya think I may be able to do that with the old Zip and 3.5 floppy drives, also? Wilton --- On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: HP Pavilion Slimline - s3707c. Wilton Ah, thank you. To answer your questions: Can you use a Floppy drive? No. Can you use a Zip drive? Is it internal or external? But most likely No. At least not *inside* the case. The reason is that the motherboard you have is of the Non Legacy variety. It has no Floppy nor IDE headers. Both your Optical Drive and your Hard Drive are SATA, and since it is a slimline system with only two serviceable bays, there are exactly two SATA connectors on the board. Now. With that out of the way. You can purchase a USB powered floppy drive if you absolutely have to have a floppy. However, the Macs haven't had a floppy in over a decade, and I can not tell you the last time I *needed* to use a floppy. With USB keys, fast networks, and optical (CD/DVD) burners, data is more portable than ever. As far as the Zip drive is concerned. If it is one of the old external SCSI models, you *could* put a SCSI card into this machine, but only by purchasing a newer PCI-E model SCSI card. That could be cost prohibitive. I think they had some USB Zips there at the end, but you'd have to find one of those if that isn't what you already have. If it is an internal Zip, you could use an external drive housing made for a 5 1/4 size optical drive. This would allow you to convert IDE to USB and with a 5 1/4 to 3 1/2 drive mounting kit it would all fit together properly. I don't know of any 3 1/2 sized external cases that have open bays, most of those are for hard drives only and as such you wouldn't be able to use the disks as they are closed off. I agree with the statement someone else made in another thread of these posts. Keep the old machine, get a small network going, and when you need a file that is on one of those media transfer it from the old machine to the new. It's a very interesting motherboard, actually. According to the spec, you should have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400 Dual Core processor. But that board will handle the AMD Phenom Quad-Core should you want to upgrade. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com LarryT Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer
Hey Wilton - I was looking for similar software and found it - it says Windows Easy Transfer for Windows XP and is located at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=enFamilyID=2b6f1631-973a-45c7-a4ec-4928fa173266 I found something else that works better for me but if you need it - I passed the download but did not download it yet. There are 2 versions - a x64 and a x86 - don't know which you need but will be happy to download it and send the file to you - just let me know which file you would like - HTHs LarryT - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer 'Wouldn't be messing with the old one at all if I could transfer what I want from it in the socalled normal manner. All the instructions with the new HP say transfer from the old one using Windows Easy Transfer; I don't have the program and cable, and I was supposed to be able to down load the Win 98 program from the Microsoft web site, but it has been removed from the site. BTW, Tim C., you said a few days ago you may have the program, etc. Do you know, yet? Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer Hi Wilton - this might not apply so some of the far more tech savvy folks can help here. I have tried a couple of times to use devices that were not meant for USB with a USB adaptor and it never worked. Might be there is some transfer rate problem. I have no idea, but with the price of storage now I'd sure go with new. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer BTW, Ed, I found an item on CablesToGo.com that SOUNDS/LOOKS like it may facilitate using my old HD as an external USB HD on the new one. It's an HD enclosure, supposedly with cables for conversion to USB. It's item # 29565, USB 2 Hard Drive Enclosure for 3.5in. Drive; third item down from top on their external hard drive page. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer 'Decided I don't need the Zip; 'may get a USB external floppy drive. Can I remove the HD from the old Compaq Presario and use it as an external secondary/auxiliary HD via a USB port on the new HP? Wilton - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Several of you have suggested I turn the hard drive from my old Win 98 computer into an external HD for the new Vista computer. Ya think I may be able to do that with the old Zip and 3.5 floppy drives, also? Wilton --- On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: HP Pavilion Slimline - s3707c. Wilton Ah, thank you. To answer your questions: Can you use a Floppy drive? No. Can you use a Zip drive? Is it internal or external? But most likely No. At least not *inside* the case. The reason is that the motherboard you have is of the Non Legacy variety. It has no Floppy nor IDE headers. Both your Optical Drive and your Hard Drive are SATA, and since it is a slimline system with only two serviceable bays, there are exactly two SATA connectors on the board. Now. With that out of the way. You can purchase a USB powered floppy drive if you absolutely have to have a floppy. However, the Macs haven't had a floppy in over a decade, and I can not tell you the last time I *needed* to use a floppy. With USB keys, fast networks, and optical (CD/DVD) burners, data is more portable than ever. As far as the Zip drive is concerned. If it is one of the old external SCSI models, you *could* put a SCSI card into this machine, but only by purchasing a newer PCI-E model SCSI card. That could be cost prohibitive. I think they had some USB Zips there at the end, but you'd have to find one of those if that isn't what you already have. If it is an internal Zip, you could use an external drive housing made for a 5 1/4 size optical drive. This would allow you to convert IDE to USB and with a 5 1/4 to 3 1/2 drive mounting kit it would all fit together properly. I don't know of any 3 1/2 sized external cases that have open bays, most of those are for hard drives only and as such you wouldn't be able to use the disks as they are closed off. I agree with the statement someone else made in another thread of these posts. Keep the old machine, get a small network
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Which reminds me. The parts for your car got here today. Thanks Rusty. Great work. Manfred Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:20:09 -0400 From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer - storage I picked up a 440 Gb Toshiba external USB hard drive at Sam's Club [on the sale shelf] for $36. It is the size of two decks of cards side by side. I will use it as a backup for my desktop and as an extended memory device on my new Sony UX380N handheld, though it already has a 40 Gb internal drive. I can't believe the low prices on storage these days. I'm flying Jacksonville to Anchorage AK this weekend for the birth of grandchild #6, and plan to stick several movies on it for the trip. I'm going through Seattle twice, but the hours really suck for trying to meet any of the Seattle folks. I also have a bay mount zip drive and about 20 zip disks, but they just gather dust these days. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have a parallel ZIP drive and a USB parallel port. I believe the two would work but I can't say I've had occasion to try. Nonetheless parallel ZIPs are $5 or less at well-stocked Goodwills so overall that is a pretty cheap option, if it works. ;) I happen to be cleaning up anyway so if I come upon them I'll let yall know how it goes. -Tim -Original Message- From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Several of you have suggested I turn the hard drive from my old Win 98 computer into an external HD for the new Vista computer. Ya think I may be able to do that with the old Zip and 3.5 floppy drives, also? Wilton --- On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: HP Pavilion Slimline - s3707c. Wilton Ah, thank you. To answer your questions: Can you use a Floppy drive? No. Can you use a Zip drive? Is it internal or external? But most likely No. At least not *inside* the case. The reason is that the motherboard you have is of the Non Legacy variety. It has no Floppy nor IDE headers. Both your Optical Drive and your Hard Drive are SATA, and since it is a slimline system with only two serviceable bays, there are exactly two SATA connectors on the board. Now. With that out of the way. You can purchase a USB powered floppy drive if you absolutely have to have a floppy. However, the Macs haven't had a floppy in over a decade, and I can not tell you the last time I *needed* to use a floppy. With USB keys, fast networks, and optical (CD/DVD) burners, data is more portable than ever. As far as the Zip drive is concerned. If it is one of the old external SCSI models, you *could* put a SCSI card into this machine, but only by purchasing a newer PCI-E model SCSI card. That could be cost prohibitive. I think they had some USB Zips there at the end, but you'd have to find one of those if that isn't what you already have. If it is an internal Zip, you could use an external drive housing made for a 5 1/4 size optical drive. This would allow you to convert IDE to USB and with a 5 1/4 to 3 1/2 drive mounting kit it would all fit together properly. I don't know of any 3 1/2 sized external cases that have open bays, most of those are for hard drives only and as such you wouldn't be able to use the disks as they are closed off. I agree with the statement someone else made in another thread of these posts. Keep the old machine, get a small network going, and when you need a file that is on one of those media transfer it from the old machine to the new. It's a very interesting motherboard, actually. According to the spec, you should have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400 Dual Core processor. But that board will handle the AMD Phenom Quad-Core should you want to upgrade. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Those came fast enough. Looking forward to seeing you [and Gerry] in May. Bill -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of MG Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer - storage Which reminds me. The parts for your car got here today. Thanks Rusty. Great work. Manfred Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:20:09 -0400 From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer - storage I picked up a 440 Gb Toshiba external USB hard drive at Sam's Club [on the sale shelf] for $36. It is the size of two decks of cards side by side. I will use it as a backup for my desktop and as an extended memory device on my new Sony UX380N handheld, though it already has a 40 Gb internal drive. I can't believe the low prices on storage these days. I'm flying Jacksonville to Anchorage AK this weekend for the birth of grandchild #6, and plan to stick several movies on it for the trip. I'm going through Seattle twice, but the hours really suck for trying to meet any of the Seattle folks. I also have a bay mount zip drive and about 20 zip disks, but they just gather dust these days. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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But it IS installed on my new HP with Vista; I need it for the old Win 98; BTW, I found and purchased the prog for Win 98SE, but can't get it to work with my plain 98. Wilton - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer Hey Wilton - I was looking for similar software and found it - it says Windows Easy Transfer for Windows XP and is located at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=enFamilyID=2b6f1631-973a-45c7-a4ec-4928fa173266 I found something else that works better for me but if you need it - I passed the download but did not download it yet. There are 2 versions - a x64 and a x86 - don't know which you need but will be happy to download it and send the file to you - just let me know which file you would like - HTHs LarryT - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer 'Wouldn't be messing with the old one at all if I could transfer what I want from it in the socalled normal manner. All the instructions with the new HP say transfer from the old one using Windows Easy Transfer; I don't have the program and cable, and I was supposed to be able to down load the Win 98 program from the Microsoft web site, but it has been removed from the site. BTW, Tim C., you said a few days ago you may have the program, etc. Do you know, yet? Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer Hi Wilton - this might not apply so some of the far more tech savvy folks can help here. I have tried a couple of times to use devices that were not meant for USB with a USB adaptor and it never worked. Might be there is some transfer rate problem. I have no idea, but with the price of storage now I'd sure go with new. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer BTW, Ed, I found an item on CablesToGo.com that SOUNDS/LOOKS like it may facilitate using my old HD as an external USB HD on the new one. It's an HD enclosure, supposedly with cables for conversion to USB. It's item # 29565, USB 2 Hard Drive Enclosure for 3.5in. Drive; third item down from top on their external hard drive page. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer 'Decided I don't need the Zip; 'may get a USB external floppy drive. Can I remove the HD from the old Compaq Presario and use it as an external secondary/auxiliary HD via a USB port on the new HP? Wilton - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Several of you have suggested I turn the hard drive from my old Win 98 computer into an external HD for the new Vista computer. Ya think I may be able to do that with the old Zip and 3.5 floppy drives, also? Wilton --- On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: HP Pavilion Slimline - s3707c. Wilton Ah, thank you. To answer your questions: Can you use a Floppy drive? No. Can you use a Zip drive? Is it internal or external? But most likely No. At least not *inside* the case. The reason is that the motherboard you have is of the Non Legacy variety. It has no Floppy nor IDE headers. Both your Optical Drive and your Hard Drive are SATA, and since it is a slimline system with only two serviceable bays, there are exactly two SATA connectors on the board. Now. With that out of the way. You can purchase a USB powered floppy drive if you absolutely have to have a floppy. However, the Macs haven't had a floppy in over a decade, and I can not tell you the last time I *needed* to use a floppy. With USB keys, fast networks, and optical (CD/DVD) burners, data is more portable than ever. As far as the Zip drive is concerned. If it is one of the old external SCSI models, you *could* put a SCSI card into this machine, but only by purchasing a newer PCI-E model SCSI card. That could be cost prohibitive. I think they had some USB Zips there at the end, but you'd have to find one of those if that isn't what you already have. If it is an internal Zip, you could use an external drive housing made for a 5 1/4 size optical drive. This would allow you to convert IDE to USB
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: I have a parallel ZIP drive and a USB parallel port. I believe the two would work but I can't say I've had occasion to try. Oh my I forgot all about the Parallel ones. Geez that's almost like an MFM drive. -Tim EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wilton, Have you tried looking on the web for the manufacturer of the mem stick? If they have a web site they may have a driver for that stick. I used to use 98 and had to have a special driver for the first USB mem stick that I had. That may be the problem you are having. 98 didn't come with a lot of the drivers that are in XP and Vista. If you can find a driver you may be able to get to the mem stick. Can't remember if I sent this already or not. Hows that for good memory? And no replacements in sight. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: BTW, Ed, I found an item on CablesToGo.com that SOUNDS/LOOKS like it may facilitate using my old HD as an external USB HD on the new one. It's an HD enclosure, supposedly with cables for conversion to USB. It's item # 29565, USB 2 Hard Drive Enclosure for 3.5in. Drive; third item down from top on their external hard drive page. Wilton Wilton, That would work just fine. Also, it may have been mentioned already, but there are also external drive docks that plug into USB, and accept an IDE hard drive. The difference is the dock, once you are done with the drive you can pull the drive and drop in another. Though you have to shutdown the computer to switch out drives, it's usually easier than taking a case apart to load another drive. Here's one: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=EN391cat=HDD It uses both 3.5 and 2.5, one at a time of course. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Here's one: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=EN391cat=HDD It uses both 3.5 and 2.5, one at a time of course. EdB Oh, check that out: General Features: Black housing Fits 2.5-inch and 3.5-inch SATA hard drives (not simultaneously) One (1) USB 2.0 compliant external connector USB 2.0 transfer rate up to 480 Mbps Support SATA Spread Spectrum Clock Hot Swap function On/Off switch Right there where it says Hot Swap function? You can power down the *dock* and swap hard drives without powering down the computer. I think I'm going to order one of those. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 6:04 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Just wanted to thank you for all the posts. I'm going through much the same thing as Wilton is at the moment, with both a newer HP machine, and trying to pull stuff off an old machine, with an old 1.0 usb, and a CD driver that doesn't burn. Once it's all transferred, I'll burn everything to CDs, and not let some of the hardware get so old. The old machine works fine, but it just became more trouble than worth. thanks again, Ed 300E Again, the best option is to drop a network card in the machine and pull directly across the wire. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Bill R billr32...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Wilton - this might not apply so some of the far more tech savvy folks can help here. I have tried a couple of times to use devices that were not meant for USB with a USB adaptor and it never worked. Might be there is some transfer rate problem. I have no idea, but with the price of storage now I'd sure go with new. BillR With 1 TB drives in my paper for as low as $79.99 raw, or $99.99 already in a USB 2.0 enclosure, new surely has it's advantages. Though Wilton needs files off the other machine so is looking for the most cost effective option for that route at this time. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:03 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Ed, You seem incredibly knowlegable about computer stuff! Maybe you can help me? I have a new Toshiba laptop that came with Vista. I'm not a happy camper and want to install XP. Do you know which Service Pack of XP you are attempting to install? So, I thought it;d be simple to wipe the hard drive and install the new OS. Not so fast. The installation SW won't recognize the SATA disk drive - and the *only* way to get the SATA driver XP has had 3 service packs, making a total screw up of 4 operating systems. I don't believe SATA was available when XP was first released, and maybe not even XP SP1. However, if you can get ahold of a disc with XP SP2 or XP SP3, the license code you have should allow you to install the newest version that *does* include SATA support natively. into the puter is with a freakin floppy drive. I've found a way so I will not need a floppy - by using nLite to integrate the driver into the XP install discs. But that's another story. Well, you could always SlipStream the XP disk yourself. This requires you to copy all the .CAB files from the disc you have to your hard drive. Then you can install Service Packs 1-3 directly to those files. Burn a new disc and install from that. It *should* be the same as trying to install with an OEM version of XP SP3, which *should* give you SATA support. Personally, I've always preferred a pressed OEM disc to a burned disc. I've had some older machines forget how to read a burned disc halfway through an install, even though it installs perfectly on another machine. I'd like to find a way to make sure the driver I found will work properly? Can you describe something that might work? One more thing - would Ubuntu or Fedora get around this problem? Linux, at least any newer distro available, will have no problem with your SATA drive. But you need to really look at all the gear in the laptop before you move to either XP or Linux and make sure that all the gear you need will have drivers in either OS. If you're too busy to bother just say so I'll find the answer somewhere else -- Thanks - LarryT EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer
Ths Ed! My vers of XP is probl SP1 = will have to find a later vers. Thx agn ! - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:03 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Ed, You seem incredibly knowlegable about computer stuff! Maybe you can help me? I have a new Toshiba laptop that came with Vista. I'm not a happy camper and want to install XP. Do you know which Service Pack of XP you are attempting to install? So, I thought it;d be simple to wipe the hard drive and install the new OS. Not so fast. The installation SW won't recognize the SATA disk drive - and the *only* way to get the SATA driver XP has had 3 service packs, making a total screw up of 4 operating systems. I don't believe SATA was available when XP was first released, and maybe not even XP SP1. However, if you can get ahold of a disc with XP SP2 or XP SP3, the license code you have should allow you to install the newest version that *does* include SATA support natively. into the puter is with a freakin floppy drive. I've found a way so I will not need a floppy - by using nLite to integrate the driver into the XP install discs. But that's another story. Well, you could always SlipStream the XP disk yourself. This requires you to copy all the .CAB files from the disc you have to your hard drive. Then you can install Service Packs 1-3 directly to those files. Burn a new disc and install from that. It *should* be the same as trying to install with an OEM version of XP SP3, which *should* give you SATA support. Personally, I've always preferred a pressed OEM disc to a burned disc. I've had some older machines forget how to read a burned disc halfway through an install, even though it installs perfectly on another machine. I'd like to find a way to make sure the driver I found will work properly? Can you describe something that might work? One more thing - would Ubuntu or Fedora get around this problem? Linux, at least any newer distro available, will have no problem with your SATA drive. But you need to really look at all the gear in the laptop before you move to either XP or Linux and make sure that all the gear you need will have drivers in either OS. If you're too busy to bother just say so I'll find the answer somewhere else -- Thanks - LarryT EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com LarryT Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer
Geez, I had to read that twice Larry. lol. Knowledgeable Oh, he must mean the other Ed!! lol Ed 300E, with next to zero knowledge of computers and other things that flash and beep. lol 2009/4/13 LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Hi Ed, You seem incredibly knowlegable about computer stuff! Maybe you can help me? I have a new Toshiba laptop that came with Vista. I'm not a happy camper and want to install XP. So, I thought it;d be simple to wipe the hard drive and install the new OS. Not so fast. The installation SW won't recognize the SATA disk drive - and the *only* way to get the SATA driver into the puter is with a freakin floppy drive. I've found a way so I will not need a floppy - by using nLite to integrate the driver into the XP install discs. But that's another story. I'd like to find a way to make sure the driver I found will work properly? Can you describe something that might work? One more thing - would Ubuntu or Fedora get around this problem? If you're too busy to bother just say so I'll find the answer somewhere else -- Thanks - LarryT - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - new computer On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Several of you have suggested I turn the hard drive from my old Win 98 computer into an external HD for the new Vista computer. Ya think I may be able to do that with the old Zip and 3.5 floppy drives, also? Wilton --- On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: HP Pavilion Slimline - s3707c. Wilton Ah, thank you. To answer your questions: Can you use a Floppy drive? No. Can you use a Zip drive? Is it internal or external? But most likely No. At least not *inside* the case. The reason is that the motherboard you have is of the Non Legacy variety. It has no Floppy nor IDE headers. Both your Optical Drive and your Hard Drive are SATA, and since it is a slimline system with only two serviceable bays, there are exactly two SATA connectors on the board. Now. With that out of the way. You can purchase a USB powered floppy drive if you absolutely have to have a floppy. However, the Macs haven't had a floppy in over a decade, and I can not tell you the last time I *needed* to use a floppy. With USB keys, fast networks, and optical (CD/DVD) burners, data is more portable than ever. As far as the Zip drive is concerned. If it is one of the old external SCSI models, you *could* put a SCSI card into this machine, but only by purchasing a newer PCI-E model SCSI card. That could be cost prohibitive. I think they had some USB Zips there at the end, but you'd have to find one of those if that isn't what you already have. If it is an internal Zip, you could use an external drive housing made for a 5 1/4 size optical drive. This would allow you to convert IDE to USB and with a 5 1/4 to 3 1/2 drive mounting kit it would all fit together properly. I don't know of any 3 1/2 sized external cases that have open bays, most of those are for hard drives only and as such you wouldn't be able to use the disks as they are closed off. I agree with the statement someone else made in another thread of these posts. Keep the old machine, get a small network going, and when you need a file that is on one of those media transfer it from the old machine to the new. It's a very interesting motherboard, actually. According to the spec, you should have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400 Dual Core processor. But that board will handle the AMD Phenom Quad-Core should you want to upgrade. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com LarryT Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090413/94c39631/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
