Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Ubiquiti stuff is all motion triggered with alerts that go to your cell
phone if desired. The app to review events is very slick and works on a
smartphone. It all updates firmware regularly and just gets better and
better. I have 6 cameras, all POE. The switch fan is noisy, but it is in
its own closet anyway. Notifies my phone if any of the cameras go down for
updates or other reasons, and when they come up again. Yada yada. Their
latest stuff is 4k. It is definitely more expensive but the user experience
is light years ahead of the Revo setup I had at the old house and it seems
pretty reliable so far.

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 7:52 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Also, give serious thought to triggering or motion detection capability of
> the cameras and/or NVR/DVR/logging software.  Even a few cameras will
> capture vast amounts of imagery; too much for humans to look at all of it.
> So you need cueing to isolate those few seconds (out of days and weeks of
> images) for image analysis.  Nearly all cameras have motion detection but
> the trick is to minimize false alarms.  External triggering, say from an
> alarm system or passive IR is a great help providing it records event times.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> > Penoff via Mercedes
> > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 6:37 AM
> > To: Okie Benz 
> > Cc: Dan Penoff 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups
> >
> > Thanks, everyone! Lots of information to digest….
> >
> > After giving this some thought. it would make just as much sense to go
> with
> > coax and hardwired cameras as it would with POE cameras, as I’m going to
> be
> > running cables to each camera anyway. That broadens the options for
> sure. I
> > don’t care if it’s IP based or coax and an NVR, so I would think going
> with an
> > integrated camera and NVR solution would probably make more sense and be
> > less troublesome since it would be a complete system and not a
> collection of
> > disparate parts.
> >
> > More to study…
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 26, 2019, at 12:29 AM, Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 23:27:49 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >> IMO, POE is the only way to go.
> > >
> > > Yes, it is.
> > >
> > >
> > >> You can get cheap serviceable cameras (like Reolink) for less than
> > >> $50 but the imagery is much sharper from better cameras, like Dahua
> > >> starlight series.  Cheaper cameras tend to be blurry for moving
> > >> objects (the only ones you actually care about), especially at night
> > >> and ID is nearly impossible. Low light cameras (like Dahua
> > >> starlights) run at higher shutter speed for less blur.  Several other
> > >> brands (like Lorex and Amcrest) are stripped-down Dahuas.  Hikvision
> > >> makes good cameras too.  Look for international (not china) version
> > >> cameras that will have updatable firmware.  The US government has
> > >> banned purchase of both of these brands (possible spyware in
> > >> firmware) but that shouldn't matter to average users.
> > >
> > > I would not put Dahua or HiK cameras on the Internet, but have them on
> > > their own network. Check for updatable firmware. Some of the stuff
> > > sold is not updatable.
> > >
> > >
> > >> If possible get everything in the same brand.
> > >
> > > I have Q-See (rebadged Dahua) cameras and NVR (network video recorder)
> > > which I bought in 2015.
> > >
> > >
> > >> All ONVIF stuff is supposed to be interoperable but that's
> > >> theoretical, practically there will be limitations with mixed brands.
> > >> Go with "eyeball" style cameras if possible.  Bullet cameras are easy
> > >> to repoint and they attract spider webs.  Some dome cameras then to
> > >> fog and craze with time. Cat5 hard wire will always be more reliable
> > >> than Wi-Fi and will allow reliable reconfiguration and firmware
> > >> update over the LAN. Most of the better cameras support a mini SD
> > >> card that can record motion events but you probably want a central
> > >> recording capability like a NVR (hopefully same brand as cameras) of
> > >> software like Blue Iris (which is great even with different camera
> > >> brands).  You can use a NAS as a NVR but licenses can be costly a

Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Also, give serious thought to triggering or motion detection capability of the 
cameras and/or NVR/DVR/logging software.  Even a few cameras will capture vast 
amounts of imagery; too much for humans to look at all of it.  So you need 
cueing to isolate those few seconds (out of days and weeks of images) for image 
analysis.  Nearly all cameras have motion detection but the trick is to 
minimize false alarms.  External triggering, say from an alarm system or 
passive IR is a great help providing it records event times.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 6:37 AM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups
> 
> Thanks, everyone! Lots of information to digest….
> 
> After giving this some thought. it would make just as much sense to go with
> coax and hardwired cameras as it would with POE cameras, as I’m going to be
> running cables to each camera anyway. That broadens the options for sure. I
> don’t care if it’s IP based or coax and an NVR, so I would think going with an
> integrated camera and NVR solution would probably make more sense and be
> less troublesome since it would be a complete system and not a collection of
> disparate parts.
> 
> More to study…
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Dec 26, 2019, at 12:29 AM, Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 23:27:49 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> IMO, POE is the only way to go.
> >
> > Yes, it is.
> >
> >
> >> You can get cheap serviceable cameras (like Reolink) for less than
> >> $50 but the imagery is much sharper from better cameras, like Dahua
> >> starlight series.  Cheaper cameras tend to be blurry for moving
> >> objects (the only ones you actually care about), especially at night
> >> and ID is nearly impossible. Low light cameras (like Dahua
> >> starlights) run at higher shutter speed for less blur.  Several other
> >> brands (like Lorex and Amcrest) are stripped-down Dahuas.  Hikvision
> >> makes good cameras too.  Look for international (not china) version
> >> cameras that will have updatable firmware.  The US government has
> >> banned purchase of both of these brands (possible spyware in
> >> firmware) but that shouldn't matter to average users.
> >
> > I would not put Dahua or HiK cameras on the Internet, but have them on
> > their own network. Check for updatable firmware. Some of the stuff
> > sold is not updatable.
> >
> >
> >> If possible get everything in the same brand.
> >
> > I have Q-See (rebadged Dahua) cameras and NVR (network video recorder)
> > which I bought in 2015.
> >
> >
> >> All ONVIF stuff is supposed to be interoperable but that's
> >> theoretical, practically there will be limitations with mixed brands.
> >> Go with "eyeball" style cameras if possible.  Bullet cameras are easy
> >> to repoint and they attract spider webs.  Some dome cameras then to
> >> fog and craze with time. Cat5 hard wire will always be more reliable
> >> than Wi-Fi and will allow reliable reconfiguration and firmware
> >> update over the LAN. Most of the better cameras support a mini SD
> >> card that can record motion events but you probably want a central
> >> recording capability like a NVR (hopefully same brand as cameras) of
> >> software like Blue Iris (which is great even with different camera
> >> brands).  You can use a NAS as a NVR but licenses can be costly and
> >> cameras eat a lot of bandwidth.  Eight channel NVRs are reasonable,
> >> especially if you supply the hard drive. The better cameras can be
> >> ordered with different focal lengths so do some analysis to get the
> >> right lens.  For a few bucks more you can get a varifocal (zoom) lens
> >> to get a custom field of view. Don't get too hung up on megapixels.
> >> My 2 MP Dahua starlights provide a sharper image than 5 MP Reolinks.
> >> Pro-line cameras (like Dahua IPC-HDW5442TM-AS, maybe $170) have
> >> advanced processing like face capture, person counting, etc.
> >
> > Good information, Scott.
> >
> > Note also you most likely will not be satisfied with just any old hard
> > disk long term -- there is a reason WD has a line of disks
> > specifically for surveillance.
> >
> >
> >> Finally, https://ipcamtalk.com/ is an excellent information source if
> >> you can stand the biases of the list mom (fenderman).  Just be aware
> >&

Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

As Dan mentions, one of the key up-front decisions is if you want to control 
your imagery or let a third party hold it in the cloud (generally with a 
monthly cost).  Even with (alleged) Chinese spyware, you can use VLANs and a 
VPN to keep your imagery private, providing you record in-house.  The list mom 
at https://www.vueville.com/ won't even consider third party (cloud) imagery 
storage.  Personally, I'm not too concerned with Chinese spyware watching my 
front door.  If I was in politics I might be more concerned about domestic 
spying.

I have very limited experience with coax-based cameras (mine are all IP based) 
so I can't add much if you go that route.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 4:08 PM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups
> 
> Ring wants to share your camera’s data with law enforcement when asked - no
> warrant required. No way I would own one.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Dec 26, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > yeah, that is where I was at last year.  I liked the simplisafe system, and 
> > their
> cameras seemed reasonable, however the ring monitoring is $10 a month vs
> simplisafe starting at 15 and going up quickly.  However ring wanted $200 per
> camera, so that knocked out their cameras.  Ended up with ring security and
> doorbell, and then 8 camras and the NVR/SVR/DVR as you may want to call it,
> for $220 delivered.  That gives continuous video all around, plus the doorbell
> and interior alarms, and monitored for about $500  and the $120/yr
> monitoring cost.   Without the monitoring, you get alerts from the ring 
> system,
> and can arm/disarm it from your fone, and 24/7 access to the 8 video cameras
> on the fone or monitor.   Nobody has done anything nefarious since it went
> up, and neighbor reports of nefarious activity have dropped to 0 after I put
> this in and quite a few others put in the ring doorbell.   Unfortunately, 
> ring was
> swallowed whole by the goolag.
> >
> >> Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> December 26,
> >> 2019 at 5:37 AM Thanks, everyone! Lots of information to digest….
> >>
> >> After giving this some thought. it would make just as much sense to go with
> coax and hardwired cameras as it would with POE cameras, as I’m going to be
> running cables to each camera anyway. That broadens the options for sure. I
> don’t care if it’s IP based or coax and an NVR, so I would think going with an
> integrated camera and NVR solution would probably make more sense and be
> less troublesome since it would be a complete system and not a collection of
> disparate parts.
> >>
> >> More to study…
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ring wants to share your camera’s data with law enforcement when asked - no 
warrant required. No way I would own one.

-D


> On Dec 26, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> yeah, that is where I was at last year.  I liked the simplisafe system, and 
> their cameras seemed reasonable, however the ring monitoring is $10 a month 
> vs simplisafe starting at 15 and going up quickly.  However ring wanted $200 
> per camera, so that knocked out their cameras.  Ended up with ring security 
> and doorbell, and then 8 camras and the NVR/SVR/DVR as you may want to call 
> it, for $220 delivered.  That gives continuous video all around, plus the 
> doorbell and interior alarms, and monitored for about $500  and the $120/yr 
> monitoring cost.   Without the monitoring, you get alerts from the ring 
> system, and can arm/disarm it from your fone, and 24/7 access to the 8 video 
> cameras on the fone or monitor.   Nobody has done anything nefarious since it 
> went up, and neighbor reports of nefarious activity have dropped to 0 after I 
> put this in and quite a few others put in the ring doorbell.   Unfortunately, 
> ring was swallowed whole by the goolag.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> December 26, 2019 at 5:37 AM
>> Thanks, everyone! Lots of information to digest….
>> 
>> After giving this some thought. it would make just as much sense to go with 
>> coax and hardwired cameras as it would with POE cameras, as I’m going to be 
>> running cables to each camera anyway. That broadens the options for sure. I 
>> don’t care if it’s IP based or coax and an NVR, so I would think going with 
>> an integrated camera and NVR solution would probably make more sense and be 
>> less troublesome since it would be a complete system and not a collection of 
>> disparate parts.
>> 
>> More to study…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yeah, that is where I was at last year.  I liked the simplisafe system, 
and their cameras seemed reasonable, however the ring monitoring is $10 
a month vs simplisafe starting at 15 and going up quickly.  However ring 
wanted $200 per camera, so that knocked out their cameras.  Ended up 
with ring security and doorbell, and then 8 camras and the NVR/SVR/DVR 
as you may want to call it, for $220 delivered.  That gives continuous 
video all around, plus the doorbell and interior alarms, and monitored 
for about $500  and the $120/yr monitoring cost.   Without the 
monitoring, you get alerts from the ring system, and can arm/disarm it 
from your fone, and 24/7 access to the 8 video cameras on the fone or 
monitor.   Nobody has done anything nefarious since it went up, and 
neighbor reports of nefarious activity have dropped to 0 after I put 
this in and quite a few others put in the ring doorbell.   
Unfortunately, ring was swallowed whole by the goolag.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 26, 2019 at 5:37 AM
Thanks, everyone! Lots of information to digest….

After giving this some thought. it would make just as much sense to go 
with coax and hardwired cameras as it would with POE cameras, as I’m 
going to be running cables to each camera anyway. That broadens the 
options for sure. I don’t care if it’s IP based or coax and an NVR, so 
I would think going with an integrated camera and NVR solution would 
probably make more sense and be less troublesome since it would be a 
complete system and not a collection of disparate parts.


More to study…

-D





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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I guess so, but has power welded to the video cable, so you just pull 
one cable.   It is pretty slick for the $$$.   You need a wall wart and 
a couple of 1 to 4 cable adapters for the power, but that was all 
included.   I had an older 4 cameras and 8 channel dvr, but I wanted at 
least 5 cameras and these are higher res and color than the B&W cameras 
I had.   I have 3 cameras and the dvr on fleabay.



fmiser via Mercedes 
December 25, 2019 at 10:08 PM

Curley wrote:
I thought I was going that way, but ended up with 8 cameras and
a dvr for $220.  THey arenot IP.

Then you can use POE - right?

Put in a central power supply and pull twisted pair cable for
power along with whatever it needs for video.



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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, everyone! Lots of information to digest….

After giving this some thought. it would make just as much sense to go with 
coax and hardwired cameras as it would with POE cameras, as I’m going to be 
running cables to each camera anyway. That broadens the options for sure. I 
don’t care if it’s IP based or coax and an NVR, so I would think going with an 
integrated camera and NVR solution would probably make more sense and be less 
troublesome since it would be a complete system and not a collection of 
disparate parts.

More to study…

-D


> On Dec 26, 2019, at 12:29 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 23:27:49 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> IMO, POE is the only way to go.
> 
> Yes, it is.
> 
> 
>> You can get cheap serviceable cameras (like Reolink) for less than $50
>> but the imagery is much sharper from better cameras, like Dahua
>> starlight series.  Cheaper cameras tend to be blurry for moving objects
>> (the only ones you actually care about), especially at night and ID is
>> nearly impossible. Low light cameras (like Dahua starlights) run at
>> higher shutter speed for less blur.  Several other brands (like Lorex
>> and Amcrest) are stripped-down Dahuas.  Hikvision makes good cameras
>> too.  Look for international (not china) version cameras that will have
>> updatable firmware.  The US government has banned purchase of both of
>> these brands (possible spyware in firmware) but that shouldn't matter to
>> average users.
> 
> I would not put Dahua or HiK cameras on the Internet, but have them on
> their own network. Check for updatable firmware. Some of the stuff sold
> is not updatable.
> 
> 
>> If possible get everything in the same brand.
> 
> I have Q-See (rebadged Dahua) cameras and NVR (network video recorder)
> which I bought in 2015.
> 
> 
>> All ONVIF stuff is supposed to be interoperable but that's theoretical,
>> practically there will be limitations with mixed brands.  Go with
>> "eyeball" style cameras if possible.  Bullet cameras are easy to
>> repoint and they attract spider webs.  Some dome cameras then to fog
>> and craze with time. Cat5 hard wire will always be more reliable than
>> Wi-Fi and will allow reliable reconfiguration and firmware update over
>> the LAN. Most of the better cameras support a mini SD card that can
>> record motion events but you probably want a central recording
>> capability like a NVR (hopefully same brand as cameras) of software
>> like Blue Iris (which is great even with different camera brands).  You
>> can use a NAS as a NVR but licenses can be costly and cameras eat a lot
>> of bandwidth.  Eight channel NVRs are reasonable, especially if you
>> supply the hard drive. The better cameras can be ordered with different
>> focal lengths so do some analysis to get the right lens.  For a few
>> bucks more you can get a varifocal (zoom) lens to get a custom field of
>> view. Don't get too hung up on megapixels.  My 2 MP Dahua starlights
>> provide a sharper image than 5 MP Reolinks. Pro-line cameras (like
>> Dahua IPC-HDW5442TM-AS, maybe $170) have advanced processing like face
>> capture, person counting, etc.
> 
> Good information, Scott.
> 
> Note also you most likely will not be satisfied with just any old hard
> disk long term -- there is a reason WD has a line of disks specifically
> for surveillance.
> 
> 
>> Finally, https://ipcamtalk.com/ is an excellent information source if
>> you can stand the biases of the list mom (fenderman).  Just be aware
>> that anyone can post so there is no guarantee posted information is
>> accurate.
> 
> If you want a professional level site, go to IPVM, https://ipvm.com. If
> you want an invite, let me know.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 23:27:49 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> IMO, POE is the only way to go.

Yes, it is.


> You can get cheap serviceable cameras (like Reolink) for less than $50
> but the imagery is much sharper from better cameras, like Dahua
> starlight series.  Cheaper cameras tend to be blurry for moving objects
> (the only ones you actually care about), especially at night and ID is
> nearly impossible. Low light cameras (like Dahua starlights) run at
> higher shutter speed for less blur.  Several other brands (like Lorex
> and Amcrest) are stripped-down Dahuas.  Hikvision makes good cameras
> too.  Look for international (not china) version cameras that will have
> updatable firmware.  The US government has banned purchase of both of
> these brands (possible spyware in firmware) but that shouldn't matter to
> average users.

I would not put Dahua or HiK cameras on the Internet, but have them on
their own network. Check for updatable firmware. Some of the stuff sold
is not updatable.


> If possible get everything in the same brand.

I have Q-See (rebadged Dahua) cameras and NVR (network video recorder)
which I bought in 2015.


> All ONVIF stuff is supposed to be interoperable but that's theoretical,
> practically there will be limitations with mixed brands.  Go with
> "eyeball" style cameras if possible.  Bullet cameras are easy to
> repoint and they attract spider webs.  Some dome cameras then to fog
> and craze with time. Cat5 hard wire will always be more reliable than
> Wi-Fi and will allow reliable reconfiguration and firmware update over
> the LAN. Most of the better cameras support a mini SD card that can
> record motion events but you probably want a central recording
> capability like a NVR (hopefully same brand as cameras) of software
> like Blue Iris (which is great even with different camera brands).  You
> can use a NAS as a NVR but licenses can be costly and cameras eat a lot
> of bandwidth.  Eight channel NVRs are reasonable, especially if you
> supply the hard drive. The better cameras can be ordered with different
> focal lengths so do some analysis to get the right lens.  For a few
> bucks more you can get a varifocal (zoom) lens to get a custom field of
> view. Don't get too hung up on megapixels.  My 2 MP Dahua starlights
> provide a sharper image than 5 MP Reolinks. Pro-line cameras (like
> Dahua IPC-HDW5442TM-AS, maybe $170) have advanced processing like face
> capture, person counting, etc.

Good information, Scott.

Note also you most likely will not be satisfied with just any old hard
disk long term -- there is a reason WD has a line of disks specifically
for surveillance.


> Finally, https://ipcamtalk.com/ is an excellent information source if
> you can stand the biases of the list mom (fenderman).  Just be aware
> that anyone can post so there is no guarantee posted information is
> accurate.

If you want a professional level site, go to IPVM, https://ipvm.com. If
you want an invite, let me know.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

IMO, POE is the only way to go.  It is much neater than a bunch of individual 
POE injectors.  Buy a 1000 ft roll of Cat5e cable ($50), a bunch of RJ-45 
terminals ($10), and a crimp tool ($15) and build your own cables unless your 
setup lends itself to pre-made cables.  Beware fan noise if the switch will be 
near people.  I have a 16 channel POE switch that is terrible loud.  I ended up 
with a Netgear Prosafe switch (12 POE and 12 passive) that is reasonably quiet.
You can get cheap serviceable cameras (like Reolink) for less than $50 but the 
imagery is much sharper from better cameras, like Dahua starlight series.  
Cheaper cameras tend to be blurry for moving objects (the only ones you 
actually care about), especially at night and ID is nearly impossible.  Low 
light cameras (like Dahua starlights) run at higher shutter speed for less  
blur.  Several other brands (like Lorex and Amcrest) are stripped-down Dahuas.  
Hikvision makes good cameras too.  Look for international (not china) version 
cameras that will have updatable firmware.  The US government has banned 
purchase of both of these brands (possible spyware in firmware) but that 
shouldn't matter to average users.
If possible get everything in the same brand.  All ONVIF stuff is supposed to 
be interoperable but that's theoretical, practically there will be limitations 
with mixed brands.  Go with "eyeball" style cameras if possible.  Bullet 
cameras are easy to repoint and they attract spider webs.  Some dome cameras 
then to fog and craze with time.  
Cat5 hard wire will always be more reliable than Wi-Fi and will allow reliable 
reconfiguration and firmware update over the LAN.  
Most of the better cameras support a mini SD card that can record motion events 
but you probably want a central recording capability like a NVR (hopefully same 
brand as cameras) of software like Blue Iris (which is great even with 
different camera brands).  You can use a NAS as a NVR but licenses can be 
costly and cameras eat a lot of bandwidth.  Eight channel NVRs are reasonable, 
especially if you supply the hard drive.  
The better cameras can be ordered with different focal lengths so do some 
analysis to get the right lens.  For a few bucks more you can get a varifocal 
(zoom) lens to get a custom field of view.  
Don't get too hung up on megapixels.  My 2 MP Dahua starlights provide a 
sharper image than 5 MP Reolinks.  
Pro-line cameras (like Dahua IPC-HDW5442TM-AS, maybe $170) have advanced 
processing like face capture, person counting, etc.
Finally, https://ipcamtalk.com/ is an excellent information source if you can 
stand the biases of the list mom (fenderman).  Just be aware that anyone can 
post so there is no guarantee posted information is accurate.   The 
https://ipcamtalk.com/wiki/ip-cam-talk-cliff-notes/ is a great place to start.
Merry Christmas


> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 5:43 PM
> To: Mercedes List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups
> 
> Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new ranch. At the
> former house, I had some really basic DLink IP cameras with power run to
> each, which was sort of a PITA as I had to run extension cords for the power
> bricks.
> 
> I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras now as it would really
> simplify installation and deployment at the new place. The thing I’m wondering
> about is whether to go with power injectors and my existing 24 port HP
> Procurve switch or just buy an inexpensive POE switch.
> 
> I can get a cheap four port POE switch for maybe $40. Based on what I see so
> far, power supplies and power injectors would cost far more than $40.
> 
> Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what their
> experience was…
> 
> And a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all!
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curley wrote:

> I thought I was going that way, but ended up with 8 cameras and
> a dvr for $220.  THey arenot IP.

Then you can use POE - right?

Put in a central power supply and pull twisted pair cable for
power along with whatever it needs for video.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dan wrote:

> Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new
> ranch. At the former house, I had some really basic DLink IP
> cameras with power run to each,

Ugh!  At least use one power supply for all and run power cables
to each.

> I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras 

Good plan.

I recommend ubiquiti cameras.  And pretty much any of their
network gear.

> Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what
> their experience was…

POE is quite convenient, works well, and is pretty straight
forward.  As long as the switch can supply enough power for all
the cameras, all is good.  Be sure to note the total power budget,
not just the available power per port.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They would have to tear the camera off of the mounting surface to get at the 
wires, as they’re run through the base and not externally.

Granted, they could do the same thing to any other camera, wired or wireless, 
and take it out of operation in a heartbeat. I try to mount my cameras well 
above the area they’re trained on as well as putting them in discreet locations 
when possible.

-D


> On Dec 25, 2019, at 9:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> With a setup like this, what would stop somebody from simply unplugging them 
> while they were snooping around?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 25, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new ranch. At the 
>> former house, I had some really basic DLink IP cameras with power run to 
>> each, which was sort of a PITA as I had to run extension cords for the power 
>> bricks.
>> 
>> I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras now as it would really 
>> simplify installation and deployment at the new place. The thing I’m 
>> wondering about is whether to go with power injectors and my existing 24 
>> port HP Procurve switch or just buy an inexpensive POE switch.
>> 
>> I can get a cheap four port POE switch for maybe $40. Based on what I see so 
>> far, power supplies and power injectors would cost far more than $40.
>> 
>> Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what their 
>> experience was…
>> 
>> And a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

With a setup like this, what would stop somebody from simply unplugging them 
while they were snooping around?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 25, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new ranch. At the 
> former house, I had some really basic DLink IP cameras with power run to 
> each, which was sort of a PITA as I had to run extension cords for the power 
> bricks.
> 
> I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras now as it would really 
> simplify installation and deployment at the new place. The thing I’m 
> wondering about is whether to go with power injectors and my existing 24 port 
> HP Procurve switch or just buy an inexpensive POE switch.
> 
> I can get a cheap four port POE switch for maybe $40. Based on what I see so 
> far, power supplies and power injectors would cost far more than $40.
> 
> Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what their 
> experience was…
> 
> And a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all!
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Interesting.

After reading your email I went to the Island of Large Wimmen and did some 
searching. There is a company called “Zosi” that is all over this stuff to the 
point where they sell so many different models and setups it’s mind numbing to 
look at them after a while.

They offer an 8 channel DVR with four outside “bullet” cameras and no hard 
drive for like $80. I’ve got a bunch of 3.5” hard drives laying around , so I 
may risk the $80 and see how this works. No matter what I have to run cables, 
so whether they’re Ethernet or coax doesn’t really matter.

Hmm.

-D


> On Dec 25, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I thought I was going that way, but ended up with 8 cameras and a dvr for 
> $220.  THey arenot IP.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> December 25, 2019 at 4:43 PM
>> Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new ranch. At the 
>> former house, I had some really basic DLink IP cameras with power run to 
>> each, which was sort of a PITA as I had to run extension cords for the power 
>> bricks.
>> 
>> I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras now as it would really 
>> simplify installation and deployment at the new place. The thing I’m 
>> wondering about is whether to go with power injectors and my existing 24 
>> port HP Procurve switch or just buy an inexpensive POE switch.
>> 
>> I can get a cheap four port POE switch for maybe $40. Based on what I see so 
>> far, power supplies and power injectors would cost far more than $40.
>> 
>> Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what their 
>> experience was…
>> 
>> And a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, that’s another possibility. I only need four cameras, though, and a lot 
of the systems are for larger numbers like yours.

Thanks!

-D


> On Dec 25, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I thought I was going that way, but ended up with 8 cameras and a dvr for 
> $220.  THey arenot IP.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> December 25, 2019 at 4:43 PM
>> Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new ranch. At the 
>> former house, I had some really basic DLink IP cameras with power run to 
>> each, which was sort of a PITA as I had to run extension cords for the power 
>> bricks.
>> 
>> I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras now as it would really 
>> simplify installation and deployment at the new place. The thing I’m 
>> wondering about is whether to go with power injectors and my existing 24 
>> port HP Procurve switch or just buy an inexpensive POE switch.
>> 
>> I can get a cheap four port POE switch for maybe $40. Based on what I see so 
>> far, power supplies and power injectors would cost far more than $40.
>> 
>> Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what their 
>> experience was…
>> 
>> And a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I thought I was going that way, but ended up with 8 cameras and a dvr 
for $220.  THey arenot IP.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 25, 2019 at 4:43 PM
Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new ranch. At 
the former house, I had some really basic DLink IP cameras with power 
run to each, which was sort of a PITA as I had to run extension cords 
for the power bricks.


I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras now as it would 
really simplify installation and deployment at the new place. The 
thing I’m wondering about is whether to go with power injectors and my 
existing 24 port HP Procurve switch or just buy an inexpensive POE switch.


I can get a cheap four port POE switch for maybe $40. Based on what I 
see so far, power supplies and power injectors would cost far more 
than $40.


Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what their 
experience was…


And a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all!

-D



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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes but we just bought all Ubiquiti stuff including the cloud key, cameras
and  16 port poe switch. Not the most cost effective but it all works
perfectly and is accessible with a great phone app.

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019, 2:44 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new ranch. At the
> former house, I had some really basic DLink IP cameras with power run to
> each, which was sort of a PITA as I had to run extension cords for the
> power bricks.
>
> I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras now as it would really
> simplify installation and deployment at the new place. The thing I’m
> wondering about is whether to go with power injectors and my existing 24
> port HP Procurve switch or just buy an inexpensive POE switch.
>
> I can get a cheap four port POE switch for maybe $40. Based on what I see
> so far, power supplies and power injectors would cost far more than $40.
>
> Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what their
> experience was…
>
> And a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all!
>
> -D
>
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[MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new ranch. At the former 
house, I had some really basic DLink IP cameras with power run to each, which 
was sort of a PITA as I had to run extension cords for the power bricks.

I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras now as it would really 
simplify installation and deployment at the new place. The thing I’m wondering 
about is whether to go with power injectors and my existing 24 port HP Procurve 
switch or just buy an inexpensive POE switch.

I can get a cheap four port POE switch for maybe $40. Based on what I see so 
far, power supplies and power injectors would cost far more than $40.

Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what their experience 
was…

And a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all!

-D


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