Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Chuck Landenberger]

Rich,

Hopefully, information can be reviewed in an unbiased manner, truth  
can be identified and rational voters (is that an oxymoron?) will  
make good choices...

Google provides a lot of the smoke, but the truth is in there..
There are times I reflect on the "smokey back rooms of political  
decision making" and wonder whether what we now have is any better.

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ

On Sep 11, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

> "I was surprised nobody asked why I called ACORN "thieves"."
>
> Probably because it is common knowledge, no need to mention it.  They
> are also quite good at signing up people to vote who are allowed to
> vote, i.e., criminals, illegals, and deceased.
>
> --R
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
>> Rich Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> I think that was his crowd when he was doing his "community
>>> organizing."  If not directly, then his group was directly  
>>> aligned with
>>> them as there aren't too many independent groups doing that sort  
>>> of thing.
>>>
>>
>>
>>  They are an
>> organization dedicated to helping the lower income strata obtain  
>> affordable
>> housing, much like Habitat for Humanity. HfH does it by teaching  
>> them how to
>> build a house, teaching them how to afford a house, and helping  
>> them build the
>> house. ACORN does it by breaking into a house, changing the locks,  
>> and teaching
>> the client how to be a trespasser/squatter.
>>
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Rich Thomas]

"I was surprised nobody asked why I called ACORN "thieves"."

Probably because it is common knowledge, no need to mention it.  They 
are also quite good at signing up people to vote who are allowed to 
vote, i.e., criminals, illegals, and deceased.

--R

Mitch Haley wrote:
> Rich Thomas wrote:
>   
>> I think that was his crowd when he was doing his "community 
>> organizing."  If not directly, then his group was directly aligned with 
>> them as there aren't too many independent groups doing that sort of thing.
>> 
>
>
>  They are an 
> organization dedicated to helping the lower income strata obtain affordable 
> housing, much like Habitat for Humanity. HfH does it by teaching them how to 
> build a house, teaching them how to afford a house, and helping them build 
> the 
> house. ACORN does it by breaking into a house, changing the locks, and 
> teaching 
> the client how to be a trespasser/squatter.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:
> I think that was his crowd when he was doing his "community 
> organizing."  If not directly, then his group was directly aligned with 
> them as there aren't too many independent groups doing that sort of thing.


I was surprised nobody asked why I called ACORN "thieves". They are an 
organization dedicated to helping the lower income strata obtain affordable 
housing, much like Habitat for Humanity. HfH does it by teaching them how to 
build a house, teaching them how to afford a house, and helping them build the 
house. ACORN does it by breaking into a house, changing the locks, and teaching 
the client how to be a trespasser/squatter.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Rich Thomas]

I think that was his crowd when he was doing his "community 
organizing."  If not directly, then his group was directly aligned with 
them as there aren't too many independent groups doing that sort of thing.

Your question though is excellent -- it would be nice to have a clear 
picture of this guy.  The Annenberg time is a major concern too, there 
is some "cleansing" going on of the files that were given to UI.  
Millions of $$ disappeared on BHO/Ayer's watch with no apparent results.

http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/09/annenberg-gate-university-tipped-off.html.

--R

Mitch Haley wrote:
> Rich Thomas wrote:
>   
>> http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/2073071/revolution-you-can-believe-in.html
>>  
>> 
>
> I know a bit about the inner workings of ACORN. If anybody can back up a 
> comparison of him to that gang of thieves we should shout it from every 
> rooftop.
> (BTW, ACORN, you knew my address when it was time to send me a W-2 but you 
> never 
> sent me a single paycheck)
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:
> http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/2073071/revolution-you-can-believe-in.html
>  

I know a bit about the inner workings of ACORN. If anybody can back up a 
comparison of him to that gang of thieves we should shout it from every rooftop.
(BTW, ACORN, you knew my address when it was time to send me a W-2 but you 
never 
sent me a single paycheck)

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Luther]

I'm a trumpet player, only had compliments

Luther

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> Yea -- I majored in Tuba. No complaints that I can remember.
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> But everyone knows a brass player kisses wa better.  DUH, Mr. Tuba! :)
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>
>
>   

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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Wonko the Sane]

Yea -- I majored in Tuba. No complaints that I can remember.

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But everyone knows a brass player kisses wa better.  DUH, Mr. Tuba! :)
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Mitch Marmel]

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> See the picture at the bottom of the page. I don't put
> stickers on my cars, this one came this way but I
> haven't taken it off yet...

Rat own!  :D

-MMM-


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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Curt Raymond]

http://home.gwi.net/~craymond/mercedes/mercedes.html

See the picture at the bottom of the page. I don't put stickers on my cars, 
this one came this way but I haven't taken it off yet...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:34:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mitch Marmel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook
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--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> When I entered college I was an ardant Republican with my
> one issue as gun control. Now I'm a suffering moderate.
> I can't stand the Republican stand on abortion, oil
> drilling or war and can't handle the Democrat's
> stance on gun control, federal spending or vengeful
> enviromentalism.

Welcome to the Libertarian Party.  :D

-MMM-


  
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Mitch Marmel]

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> When I entered college I was an ardant Republican with my
> one issue as gun control. Now I'm a suffering moderate.
> I can't stand the Republican stand on abortion, oil
> drilling or war and can't handle the Democrat's
> stance on gun control, federal spending or vengeful
> enviromentalism.

Welcome to the Libertarian Party.  :D

-MMM-


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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Luther]

But everyone knows a brass player kisses wa better.  DUH, Mr. Tuba! :)

Luther

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> Ah -- oboe. No doubt a good kisser given the mouth muscles required for
> playing that particular instrument.
>
> "If a kiss you need, go for the double-reed. "
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>>> transferring in 1983 to North Idaho
>>> College
>>>   
>> My wife is currently the Oboe instructor at NIC.
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
>>
>> 
>
>
>   

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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Rich Thomas]

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/2073071/revolution-you-can-believe-in.html
 


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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[John Robbins]

Curt Raymond wrote:
> I graduated a scant 9 years ago and I can tell you that at that time
>  the little state college I went to here in the bluest of blue states
>  pushed us to think. When I wrote position papers I usually took a 
> view contrary to the professors because it usually made the paper 
> easier to write (and generally enjoy being contrary). I got decent 
> grades or they were at least in line with the effort I put into the 
> class. I was never pushed to accept any dogma of any kind.

Graduated a year ago  same story here.

> The thing that bothers me most about both sides is the "if you're not
> with us you're against us" mentality which has no point in a
> political landscape based on compromise...

No kidding!  The bad thing is that its not just the party leaders... 
I'm probably a little guilty in this regard though.

John


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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[John Robbins]

LarryT wrote:
> we'll probably disagree here but I want my kinds to adopt my values not some 
> guy I;m paying to teach history..  Religion is faith based - there's often 
> no logic to it and no one will find "evidence" that Jesus died on a Cross.

There are actually quite a few logical arguments for it.  I'm not well 
educated on it, but remember that you can't prove or disprove any 
religion.

> IMO, it doesn't have anything to do with teaching  the kids to think.  it's 
> about breaking down their belief systems.

Seriously, whats wrong with that?  If their believe system is so easy to 
break down that a history teacher can destroy it (I think a philosophy 
teacher would be more likely, and that *is* what he's supposed to do), 
they never really believed their faith to begin with.

John


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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Wilton Strickland]

'Didn't include enough "you know," "like" and "well, like you know."

Wilton

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From: "Hendrik & Fay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Actually it is very important to be able to give good speeches.
> You obviously did not pay attention the last time I went through all this.
> Well.the reason isummnh, because...I guess.if
> you can capture your audiences attention.and..umnhmake them
> believe..in ummnhwhat it is you're trying to get
> across.then I guess aathey may think that you got half a
> brain..and perhaps may be worth voting forbut you
> know..aaahhemm...a lot of people don't bother to listen to
> speeches I guess.but I suppose there could be a few who
> areahm ah ummnh.interested in whether the future leader of
> the nation has the...you knowability to be able
> toumnhhtalk well..or something like that. And you
> know..if the candidate can't be able to..ummnh...get the
> message across to the folks at homehe may have trouble telling
> some.ahhembad person type leader...in some other
> place somewhere...how the US or should I say where the US is at with
> their attitudeI guess what i am trying to say is that the
> President has to represent the US of A and if he can't come across
> as..umnh ahh...you knowsmart type sort of
> personor perhaps to put it better a strong leader who does not
> ahh a lot and.you know..is sort of sure of his position on
> an issue. I hope this clears things up, next questionI guess.
>
> Hendrik
> who is not a good orator
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> > I could care less about how good somebody does a speech, it doesnt
> > really matter about anything.
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well, that uhhm, sounds just like a barrac apollo bamo speech as he 
descends from the heavens to his greek temple.

Hendrik & Fay wrote:
> Actually it is very important to be able to give good speeches.
> You obviously did not pay attention the last time I went through all this.
> Well.the reason isummnh, because...I guess.if 
> you can capture your audiences attention.and..umnhmake them 
> believe..in ummnhwhat it is you're trying to get 
> across.then I guess aathey may think that you got half a 
> brain..and perhaps may be worth voting forbut you 
> know..aaahhemm...a lot of people don't bother to listen to 
> speeches I guess.but I suppose there could be a few who 
> areahm ah ummnh.interested in whether the future leader of 
> the nation has the...you knowability to be able 
> toumnhhtalk well..or something like that. And you 
> know..if the candidate can't be able to..ummnh...get the 
> message across to the folks at homehe may have trouble telling 
> some.ahhembad person type leader...in some other 
> place somewhere...how the US or should I say where the US is at with 
> their attitudeI guess what i am trying to say is that the 
> President has to represent the US of A and if he can't come across 
> as..umnh ahh...you knowsmart type sort of 
> personor perhaps to put it better a strong leader who does not 
> ahh a lot and.you know..is sort of sure of his position on 
> an issue. I hope this clears things up, next questionI guess.
> 
> Hendrik
> who is not a good orator
> 
> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> I could care less about how good somebody does a speech, it doesnt 
>> really matter about anything.
>>   
>>
>>   
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Curt Raymond]

Its a shame, I was trying so hard to stay out of this.

I graduated a scant 9 years ago and I can tell you that at that time the little 
state college I went to here in the bluest of blue states pushed us to think. 
When I wrote position papers I usually took a view contrary to the professors 
because it usually made the paper easier to write (and generally enjoy being 
contrary). I got decent grades or they were at least in line with the effort I 
put into the class. I was never pushed to accept any dogma of any kind.

When I entered college I was an ardant Republican with my one issue as gun 
control. Now I'm a suffering moderate. I can't stand the Republican stand on 
abortion, oil drilling or war and can't handle the Democrat's stance on gun 
control, federal spending or vengeful enviromentalism.
The thing that bothers me most about both sides is the "if you're not with us 
you're against us" mentality which has no point in a political landscape based 
on compromise...

Anyway I'm so sick and tired of the whole election cycle and politics on the 
list in general I've resorting to not even reading these messages and doing 
work instead... I think I'm going to vote for Jenna Jameson in the coming 
election, at least she doesn't hide what she is.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 12:47:06 -0500
From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Yea - it's a shame that they expect the students to think ---

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> it was written < one receives,
>>the less likely they are to be a supporter of the Republican >>
>
> Actually, that's not far from the truth.  Same for belief in God.  One of
> the things the professors attack is the students belief system - their
> religion is called into doubt.
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Royce Engler]

From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

My shirt is lower left in the attached photo. Wife (Debbie) is wearing red,
beside me.

...

This isn't something I saw on television. I was there, not six feet away
from him.


Sooo.Wonko, was that picture taken "inside the asylum" or "outside the
asylum"???  ;-) HHGTTG joke

Royce Engler


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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[LarryT]

great email Hendrik!
;-)

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- Original Message - 
From: "Hendrik & Fay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:57 PM
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> Actually it is very important to be able to give good speeches.
> You obviously did not pay attention the last time I went through all this.
> Well.the reason isummnh, because...I guess.if
> you can capture your audiences attention.and..umnhmake them
> believe..in ummnhwhat it is you're trying to get
> across.then I guess aathey may think that you got half a
> brain..and perhaps may be worth voting forbut you
> know..aaahhemm...a lot of people don't bother to listen to
> speeches I guess.but I suppose there could be a few who
> areahm ah ummnh.interested in whether the future leader of
> the nation has the...you knowability to be able
> toumnhhtalk well..or something like that. And you
> know..if the candidate can't be able to..ummnh...get the
> message across to the folks at homehe may have trouble telling
> some.ahhembad person type leader...in some other
> place somewhere...how the US or should I say where the US is at with
> their attitudeI guess what i am trying to say is that the
> President has to represent the US of A and if he can't come across
> as..umnh ahh...you knowsmart type sort of
> personor perhaps to put it better a strong leader who does not
> ahh a lot and.you know..is sort of sure of his position on
> an issue. I hope this clears things up, next questionI guess.
>
> Hendrik
> who is not a good orator
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> I could care less about how good somebody does a speech, it doesnt
>> really matter about anything.
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[LarryT]

we'll probably disagree here but I want my kinds to adopt my values not some 
guy I;m paying to teach history..  Religion is faith based - there's often 
no logic to it and no one will find "evidence" that Jesus died on a Cross.

IMO, it doesn't have anything to do with teaching  the kids to think.  it's 
about breaking down their belief systems.

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> Yea - it's a shame that they expect the students to think ---
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> it was written <> education
>> one receives,
>>>the less likely they are to be a supporter of the Republican >>
>>
>> Actually, that's not far from the truth.  Same for belief in God.  One of
>> the things the professors attack is the students belief system - their
>> religion is called into doubt.
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Hendrik & Fay]

Actually it is very important to be able to give good speeches.
You obviously did not pay attention the last time I went through all this.
Well.the reason isummnh, because...I guess.if 
you can capture your audiences attention.and..umnhmake them 
believe..in ummnhwhat it is you're trying to get 
across.then I guess aathey may think that you got half a 
brain..and perhaps may be worth voting forbut you 
know..aaahhemm...a lot of people don't bother to listen to 
speeches I guess.but I suppose there could be a few who 
areahm ah ummnh.interested in whether the future leader of 
the nation has the...you knowability to be able 
toumnhhtalk well..or something like that. And you 
know..if the candidate can't be able to..ummnh...get the 
message across to the folks at homehe may have trouble telling 
some.ahhembad person type leader...in some other 
place somewhere...how the US or should I say where the US is at with 
their attitudeI guess what i am trying to say is that the 
President has to represent the US of A and if he can't come across 
as..umnh ahh...you knowsmart type sort of 
personor perhaps to put it better a strong leader who does not 
ahh a lot and.you know..is sort of sure of his position on 
an issue. I hope this clears things up, next questionI guess.

Hendrik
who is not a good orator

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> I could care less about how good somebody does a speech, it doesnt 
> really matter about anything.
>   
>
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Loren Faeth]

Larry is spot on, except one thing.  I'll take issue with   "they are 
heavily democratic."  Democracy is the LAST thing they want.  Larry 
meant voting with the democrat party.  But these people are heavily 
socialist/communist.

At 11:34 AM 9/9/2008, you wrote:
>I;m afraid the education system is largely made up of liberals just like the
>media industry so the attack on conservatove values comes from several
>directions.   Same with the movie industry - they're heavily democratic and
>their movies depict this - sometimes subtly sometimes not.
>
>Larry

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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I could care less about how good somebody does a speech, it doesnt 
really matter about anything.

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> Okay, I've gotta call bullshit here.
> 
> When Obama spoke in Jefferson, there was NO teleprompter. He gave a good
> speech (no doubt memorized) but then answered audience questions for a half
> hour. He didn't stumble, he didn't freeze up -- he talked just like he did
> from what was obviously a prepared text. Like him or not, this guy knows his
> stuff and doesn't need to pull out note cards to talk. He didn't talk in
> generalities, he spoke in facts and figures and programs.
> 
> My shirt is lower left in the attached photo. Wife (Debbie) is wearing red,
> beside me.
> 
> Lots of journalists there (including CNN) so I am sure if he was pulling
> facts and figures out of his butt, he'd have been busted for it long ago.
> 
> Wanna let McCain try that trick?
> 
> This isn't something I saw on television. I was there, not six feet away
> from him.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
>> Enjoy your BO while he is in the game!  Take away his teleprompter
>> and see how well you like his speeches then.
>>
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Wonko the Sane]

Okay, I've gotta call bullshit here.

When Obama spoke in Jefferson, there was NO teleprompter. He gave a good
speech (no doubt memorized) but then answered audience questions for a half
hour. He didn't stumble, he didn't freeze up -- he talked just like he did
from what was obviously a prepared text. Like him or not, this guy knows his
stuff and doesn't need to pull out note cards to talk. He didn't talk in
generalities, he spoke in facts and figures and programs.

My shirt is lower left in the attached photo. Wife (Debbie) is wearing red,
beside me.

Lots of journalists there (including CNN) so I am sure if he was pulling
facts and figures out of his butt, he'd have been busted for it long ago.

Wanna let McCain try that trick?

This isn't something I saw on television. I was there, not six feet away
from him.



On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> Enjoy your BO while he is in the game!  Take away his teleprompter
> and see how well you like his speeches then.
>



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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Wonko the Sane]

Ah -- oboe. No doubt a good kisser given the mouth muscles required for
playing that particular instrument.

"If a kiss you need, go for the double-reed. "

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > transferring in 1983 to North Idaho
> > College
>
> My wife is currently the Oboe instructor at NIC.
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[John Robbins]

LarryT wrote:
> Same for belief in God.  One of the things the professors attack is 
> the students belief system - their religion is called into doubt.

Every single person should call their religion into doubt.  That way
they make a decision for themselves based on evidence and logical
arguments.  IMO, you aren't truly religious unless you have made a
decision for yourself about what your belief system is.  Otherwise
you're just religious out of habit (ie, you're just following in your
parents).  Also, I think that your parents/family are doing you a
disservice if they don't make you question your beliefs.

So what is wrong with your religion being called into doubt?

> Not sure why this happens but they seem to want no competition with 
> the dogma they plan to use to indoctrinate the students.

Its called teaching people to think critically.  This is the job of any
University.  It is still very possible for someone with critical
thinking skills who has actively searched for data to be religious.
There are many logical/philosophical arguments either way.

> Naturally this doesn't happen to everyone and mot everyone is 
> susceptible to this kind of attack but some will turn. And the longer
>  they stay at their "institute of higher learning"  the more likely 
> the student is to consider atheism an appropriate alternative.

Not being susceptible to an "attack" of critical thinking sounds like a
bad thing to me.  And why isn't Atheism an appropriate alternative?
EVERYTHING is an alternative when you're trying to decide on your
religious belief system!!!  It's not just a choice between Christianity
and Atheism!

> There have been instances of students making conservatove arguments &
>  getting failing grades from liberal professors.   Some students have
>  taped the professors attacks on students and taken legal action 
> against them.

Statistically or anecdotally?  In the south the opposite is likely to
happen.  Especially on the religion front.  Also, there are always
jackass professors who will fail students based on *anything* they don't
agree on whether it is politics, religion, an interpretation of
Shakespeare, the color of the wall, etc.  Not saying I agree with it,
but it isn't strictly related to religion/politics.

John


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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[OK Don]

Yea - it's a shame that they expect the students to think ---

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> it was written < one receives,
>>the less likely they are to be a supporter of the Republican >>
>
> Actually, that's not far from the truth.  Same for belief in God.  One of
> the things the professors attack is the students belief system - their
> religion is called into doubt.
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[LarryT]

it was written <the less likely they are to be a supporter of the Republican >>

Actually, that's not far from the truth.  Same for belief in God.  One of 
the things the professors attack is the students belief system - their 
religion is called into doubt.  Not sure why this happens but they seem to 
want no competition with the dogma they plan to use to indoctrinate the 
students.  Naturally this doesn't happen to everyone and mot everyone is 
susceptible to this kind of attack but some will turn.  And the longer they 
stay at their "institute of higher learning"  the more likely the student is 
to consider atheism an appropriate alternative.

the attack on conservatism happens at the same time using the same tactics. 
Some students will have a good understanding of what conservatism consist of 
as well as the basics of their religion making attacks less successful. 
There have been instances of students making conservatove arguments & 
getting failing grades from liberal professors.   Some students have taped 
the professors attacks on students and taken legal action against them.

I;m afraid the education system is largely made up of liberals just like the 
media industry so the attack on conservatove values comes from several 
directions.   Same with the movie industry - they're heavily democratic and 
their movies depict this - sometimes subtly sometimes not.

Larry

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From: "Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook


> you named 2 out of 10 of thousands of "journalists"   Not a very high
> percentage is it? Even if you add the eight in your second list, that
> is 00.1% or 1 tenth of one percent, if there were only 10,000
> "journalists" in the country.
>
> As for your party, no matter what they call it, is the
> socialist/communist party  They use words like "progressive" to mask
> the real intent.  It does not take much research to find the links
> from Hillary and BO to Saul  Alinsky
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky
> If you listen to JFK's speeches, he would be called a "radical
> Conservative" now.  "Ask what you can do for your country"  Tax cuts,
> Strong Military, an unprecendented space race.   That was the
> democrat party.  It is a very undemocratic party now.   "You WILL
> think our way, OR ELSE!"I am glad you enjoy it.  As for me, I
> like JFK's approach.
>
> Enjoy your BO while he is in the game!  Take away his teleprompter
> and see how well you like his speeches then.  The clinton machine is
> trying to take him out still.  I don't think BO will win any more
> elections, even for chicago dog catcher.   That is what I'd call
> effed as you put it.
>
>
> At 10:41 PM 9/8/2008, you wrote:
>>Loren,
>>
>>Funny you mention that...
>>
>>"Basically now a degree in 'journalism' means you are a democrat party 
>>hack
>>for its propaganda machine.."
>>
>>I wonder if education plays a part in this. Clearly you just expressed 
>>your
>>opinion that those who attend a post secondary institution and devote 
>>their
>>studies to journalism end up leaning on the Democratic side.
>>
>>I wonder what that says about 'journalists' with inferior education (e.g
>>high school diploma, GED, etc.). Some examples come to mind, namely:
>>
>>Sean Hannity - high school education, honorary degree awarded by Jerry
>>Falwell doesn't count
>>
>>Shepard Smith - high school education, almost finished college (sorry 
>>almost
>>only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades)
>>
>>
>>Based on your logic, one can reason that the more education one receives,
>>the less likely they are to be a supporter of the Republican Party. Of
>>course, there are plenty Republican Party supporters that did attend
>>college; the point herein is simply to show that your logic is effed, just
>>like your presidential candidate.
>>
>>Oh yea, and it's the Democratic Party, not democrat party.
>>
>>Yours truly,
>>
>>Obama '08
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
>>Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:07 AM
>>To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook
>>
>>and part of what passes for "journalism."  Basically now a degree in
>>"journalism" means you are a democrat party hack for its propaganda
>>machine..
>>
&

Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Loren Faeth]

you named 2 out of 10 of thousands of "journalists"   Not a very high 
percentage is it? Even if you add the eight in your second list, that 
is 00.1% or 1 tenth of one percent, if there were only 10,000 
"journalists" in the country.

As for your party, no matter what they call it, is the 
socialist/communist party  They use words like "progressive" to mask 
the real intent.  It does not take much research to find the links 
from Hillary and BO to Saul  Alinsky
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky
If you listen to JFK's speeches, he would be called a "radical 
Conservative" now.  "Ask what you can do for your country"  Tax cuts, 
Strong Military, an unprecendented space race.   That was the 
democrat party.  It is a very undemocratic party now.   "You WILL 
think our way, OR ELSE!"I am glad you enjoy it.  As for me, I 
like JFK's approach.

Enjoy your BO while he is in the game!  Take away his teleprompter 
and see how well you like his speeches then.  The clinton machine is 
trying to take him out still.  I don't think BO will win any more 
elections, even for chicago dog catcher.   That is what I'd call 
effed as you put it.


At 10:41 PM 9/8/2008, you wrote:
>Loren,
>
>Funny you mention that...
>
>"Basically now a degree in 'journalism' means you are a democrat party hack
>for its propaganda machine.."
>
>I wonder if education plays a part in this. Clearly you just expressed your
>opinion that those who attend a post secondary institution and devote their
>studies to journalism end up leaning on the Democratic side.
>
>I wonder what that says about 'journalists' with inferior education (e.g
>high school diploma, GED, etc.). Some examples come to mind, namely:
>
>Sean Hannity - high school education, honorary degree awarded by Jerry
>Falwell doesn't count
>
>Shepard Smith - high school education, almost finished college (sorry almost
>only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades)
>
>
>Based on your logic, one can reason that the more education one receives,
>the less likely they are to be a supporter of the Republican Party. Of
>course, there are plenty Republican Party supporters that did attend
>college; the point herein is simply to show that your logic is effed, just
>like your presidential candidate.
>
>Oh yea, and it's the Democratic Party, not democrat party.
>
>Yours truly,
>
>Obama '08
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
>Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:07 AM
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>
>and part of what passes for "journalism."  Basically now a degree in
>"journalism" means you are a democrat party hack for its propaganda
>machine..
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[TE]

Indeed it is, like:

Bill O'Rielly
Julie Banderas
Fred Barnes
Gretchen Carlson
Neil Cavuto
Steve Doocy
Larry Elder
E. D. Hill


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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

"TE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I wonder if education plays a part in this. Clearly you just
> expressed your opinion that those who attend a post secondary
> institution and devote their studies to journalism end up leaning on
> the Democratic side.

"the world is full of educated derelicts"

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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Allan Streib]

"TE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I wonder if education plays a part in this. Clearly you just
> expressed your opinion that those who attend a post secondary
> institution and devote their studies to journalism end up leaning on
> the Democratic side.

"the world is full of educated derelicts"

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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[TE]

Loren,

Funny you mention that...

"Basically now a degree in 'journalism' means you are a democrat party hack
for its propaganda machine.."

I wonder if education plays a part in this. Clearly you just expressed your
opinion that those who attend a post secondary institution and devote their
studies to journalism end up leaning on the Democratic side.

I wonder what that says about 'journalists' with inferior education (e.g
high school diploma, GED, etc.). Some examples come to mind, namely:

Sean Hannity - high school education, honorary degree awarded by Jerry
Falwell doesn't count

Shepard Smith - high school education, almost finished college (sorry almost
only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades)


Based on your logic, one can reason that the more education one receives,
the less likely they are to be a supporter of the Republican Party. Of
course, there are plenty Republican Party supporters that did attend
college; the point herein is simply to show that your logic is effed, just
like your presidential candidate.

Oh yea, and it's the Democratic Party, not democrat party.

Yours truly,

Obama '08


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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:07 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

and part of what passes for "journalism."  Basically now a degree in 
"journalism" means you are a democrat party hack for its propaganda
machine..





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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Jim Cathey]

> transferring in 1983 to North Idaho
> College

My wife is currently the Oboe instructor at NIC.

-- Jim


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[Wilton Strickland]

Thanks.

Wilton

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From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:39 PM
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> Wiki:
>
> Palin spent her first college semester at Hawaii Pacific
> College<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_Pacific_University>,
> transferring in 1983 to North Idaho
> College<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Idaho_College> and
> then to the University of
> Idaho<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Idaho>.
> She attended Matanuska-Susitna
> College<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matanuska-Susitna_College> in
> Alaska for one term, returning to the University of Idaho to complete
> herBachelor
> of Science <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Science> degree in
> communications <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication_studies>-
> journalism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism>, graduating in 1987.
> [14]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-AP_College-13>[15]
>
> In 1988, she worked as a sports reporter for
> KTUU-TV<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTUU-TV>
>  in Anchorage, Alaska
>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchorage,_Alaska>.[16]<http://en.wikipedia.or
g/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-15>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Wilton Strickland
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > Yes.  Or is it journalism/political sience?
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook
> >
> >
> > > Doesn't Palin have a degree in journalism/communications?
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Loren Faeth
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> > >
> > > > and part of what passes for "journalism."  Basically now a degree in
> > > > "journalism" means you are a democrat party hack for its propaganda
> > > > machine..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Wonko the Sane]

Wiki:

Palin spent her first college semester at Hawaii Pacific
College<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_Pacific_University>,
transferring in 1983 to North Idaho
College<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Idaho_College> and
then to the University of
Idaho<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Idaho>.
She attended Matanuska-Susitna
College<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matanuska-Susitna_College> in
Alaska for one term, returning to the University of Idaho to complete
herBachelor
of Science <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Science> degree in
communications <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication_studies>-
journalism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism>, graduating in 1987.
[14] 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-AP_College-13>[15]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-BooneSeattlePI-14>

In 1988, she worked as a sports reporter for
KTUU-TV<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTUU-TV>
 in Anchorage, Alaska
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchorage,_Alaska>.[16]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-15>


On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Yes.  Or is it journalism/political sience?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message -
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> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:47 AM
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>
>
> > Doesn't Palin have a degree in journalism/communications?
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Loren Faeth
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> > > and part of what passes for "journalism."  Basically now a degree in
> > > "journalism" means you are a democrat party hack for its propaganda
> > > machine..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Wilton Strickland]

Yes.  Or is it journalism/political sience?

Wilton

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> Doesn't Palin have a degree in journalism/communications?
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Loren Faeth
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > and part of what passes for "journalism."  Basically now a degree in
> > "journalism" means you are a democrat party hack for its propaganda
> > machine..
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Wonko the Sane]

Doesn't Palin have a degree in journalism/communications?

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> and part of what passes for "journalism."  Basically now a degree in
> "journalism" means you are a democrat party hack for its propaganda
> machine..
>
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Bill R]

I think you are correct, but please don't tell folks like Pat Robertson as
it would break his heart.
BillR

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It's always been that way because the Education business has always been
extremely liberal.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:07 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

and part of what passes for "journalism."  Basically now a degree in 
"journalism" means you are a democrat party hack for its propaganda
machine..



At 07:05 AM 9/8/2008, you wrote:
>Hendrik wrote (or was it Fay?)<< a good politician always has a standby
>standard response >>
>
>I always get irritated when they use the  response of , "No, the right
>question to ask is: xxx..."  I almost LOL until I remember how they
>subvert the system by circling around sensitive questions.  By using this
>method they answer  (and ask) any question they happen to like!!  And they
>elude any question they don't like ...Unfortunately most of the time
the
>journalist (Ha!) let them get away with it --
>
>Seems to be part of politicing 101 
>
>Larry
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Hendrik & Fay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 10:28 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook
>
>
> > Ahh yes but these people are claiming to be experts in running the
> > country and as such feel that they should be in charge.
> > A lot depends on what the question is, stuff like "how do you propose to
> > get the US out of Iraq" is pretty standard stuff.
> > However a good politician always has a standby standard response to just
> > about anything, along the lines of first attacking the opposition and
> > then making some broad statements which don't commit them to do
anything.
> > Taking the above question as an example, you could go on for hours but
> > not actually promise anything.
> >
> > Hendrik
> >
> > Wonko the Sane wrote:
> >> Like they had to actually think about the answer, rather than just
> >> spouting
> >> off sound bites from an updated right-wing Mein Kampf?
> >>
> >> Maybe it is just me, but if someone immediately spouts off an answer to
a
> >> question without taking a moment to consider it, I tend to suspect that
> >> either the questions were submitted in advance or the answer is
memorized
> >> dogma. -- Unless it is an area where they are a recognized expert and
the
> >> answer is second nature.
> >>
> >> I don't see _anything_ being second nature to McCain unless you are
> >> asking
> >> about Hanoi Hilton.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Bill R]

I never realized that Fox would soon be staffed by Democratic propagandist.
Should be very interesting - if I'm still watching TV at that point.  AS
about all I watch now is old movies it won't matter much to me anyway.
BillR

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and part of what passes for "journalism."  Basically now a degree in 
"journalism" means you are a democrat party hack for its propaganda
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Tom Hargrave]

It's always been that way because the Education business has always been
extremely liberal.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

and part of what passes for "journalism."  Basically now a degree in 
"journalism" means you are a democrat party hack for its propaganda
machine..



At 07:05 AM 9/8/2008, you wrote:
>Hendrik wrote (or was it Fay?)<< a good politician always has a standby
>standard response >>
>
>I always get irritated when they use the  response of , "No, the right
>question to ask is: xxx..."  I almost LOL until I remember how they
>subvert the system by circling around sensitive questions.  By using this
>method they answer  (and ask) any question they happen to like!!  And they
>elude any question they don't like ...Unfortunately most of the time
the
>journalist (Ha!) let them get away with it --
>
>Seems to be part of politicing 101 
>
>Larry
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Hendrik & Fay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 10:28 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook
>
>
> > Ahh yes but these people are claiming to be experts in running the
> > country and as such feel that they should be in charge.
> > A lot depends on what the question is, stuff like "how do you propose to
> > get the US out of Iraq" is pretty standard stuff.
> > However a good politician always has a standby standard response to just
> > about anything, along the lines of first attacking the opposition and
> > then making some broad statements which don't commit them to do
anything.
> > Taking the above question as an example, you could go on for hours but
> > not actually promise anything.
> >
> > Hendrik
> >
> > Wonko the Sane wrote:
> >> Like they had to actually think about the answer, rather than just
> >> spouting
> >> off sound bites from an updated right-wing Mein Kampf?
> >>
> >> Maybe it is just me, but if someone immediately spouts off an answer to
a
> >> question without taking a moment to consider it, I tend to suspect that
> >> either the questions were submitted in advance or the answer is
memorized
> >> dogma. -- Unless it is an area where they are a recognized expert and
the
> >> answer is second nature.
> >>
> >> I don't see _anything_ being second nature to McCain unless you are
> >> asking
> >> about Hanoi Hilton.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Loren Faeth]

and part of what passes for "journalism."  Basically now a degree in 
"journalism" means you are a democrat party hack for its propaganda machine..



At 07:05 AM 9/8/2008, you wrote:
>Hendrik wrote (or was it Fay?)<< a good politician always has a standby
>standard response >>
>
>I always get irritated when they use the  response of , "No, the right
>question to ask is: xxx..."  I almost LOL until I remember how they
>subvert the system by circling around sensitive questions.  By using this
>method they answer  (and ask) any question they happen to like!!  And they
>elude any question they don't like ...Unfortunately most of the time the
>journalist (Ha!) let them get away with it --
>
>Seems to be part of politicing 101 
>
>Larry
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Hendrik & Fay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 10:28 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook
>
>
> > Ahh yes but these people are claiming to be experts in running the
> > country and as such feel that they should be in charge.
> > A lot depends on what the question is, stuff like "how do you propose to
> > get the US out of Iraq" is pretty standard stuff.
> > However a good politician always has a standby standard response to just
> > about anything, along the lines of first attacking the opposition and
> > then making some broad statements which don't commit them to do anything.
> > Taking the above question as an example, you could go on for hours but
> > not actually promise anything.
> >
> > Hendrik
> >
> > Wonko the Sane wrote:
> >> Like they had to actually think about the answer, rather than just
> >> spouting
> >> off sound bites from an updated right-wing Mein Kampf?
> >>
> >> Maybe it is just me, but if someone immediately spouts off an answer to a
> >> question without taking a moment to consider it, I tend to suspect that
> >> either the questions were submitted in advance or the answer is memorized
> >> dogma. -- Unless it is an area where they are a recognized expert and the
> >> answer is second nature.
> >>
> >> I don't see _anything_ being second nature to McCain unless you are
> >> asking
> >> about Hanoi Hilton.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[LarryT]

Hendrik wrote (or was it Fay?)<< a good politician always has a standby 
standard response >>

I always get irritated when they use the  response of , "No, the right 
question to ask is: xxx..."  I almost LOL until I remember how they 
subvert the system by circling around sensitive questions.  By using this 
method they answer  (and ask) any question they happen to like!!  And they 
elude any question they don't like ...Unfortunately most of the time the 
journalist (Ha!) let them get away with it --

Seems to be part of politicing 101 

Larry

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> Ahh yes but these people are claiming to be experts in running the
> country and as such feel that they should be in charge.
> A lot depends on what the question is, stuff like "how do you propose to
> get the US out of Iraq" is pretty standard stuff.
> However a good politician always has a standby standard response to just
> about anything, along the lines of first attacking the opposition and
> then making some broad statements which don't commit them to do anything.
> Taking the above question as an example, you could go on for hours but
> not actually promise anything.
>
> Hendrik
>
> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>> Like they had to actually think about the answer, rather than just 
>> spouting
>> off sound bites from an updated right-wing Mein Kampf?
>>
>> Maybe it is just me, but if someone immediately spouts off an answer to a
>> question without taking a moment to consider it, I tend to suspect that
>> either the questions were submitted in advance or the answer is memorized
>> dogma. -- Unless it is an area where they are a recognized expert and the
>> answer is second nature.
>>
>> I don't see _anything_ being second nature to McCain unless you are 
>> asking
>> about Hanoi Hilton.
>>
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Hendrik & Fay]

Ahh yes but these people are claiming to be experts in running the 
country and as such feel that they should be in charge.
A lot depends on what the question is, stuff like "how do you propose to 
get the US out of Iraq" is pretty standard stuff.
However a good politician always has a standby standard response to just 
about anything, along the lines of first attacking the opposition and 
then making some broad statements which don't commit them to do anything.
Taking the above question as an example, you could go on for hours but 
not actually promise anything.

Hendrik

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> Like they had to actually think about the answer, rather than just spouting
> off sound bites from an updated right-wing Mein Kampf?
>
> Maybe it is just me, but if someone immediately spouts off an answer to a
> question without taking a moment to consider it, I tend to suspect that
> either the questions were submitted in advance or the answer is memorized
> dogma. -- Unless it is an area where they are a recognized expert and the
> answer is second nature.
>
> I don't see _anything_ being second nature to McCain unless you are asking
> about Hanoi Hilton.
>   
>

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