Re: [MBZ] Porsche scraping along
"LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've always thought car evaluations should be bsed on a car chosen > at random with >100k miles on it. Would be nice, but 90% of the population don't keep a car that long, so they don't care. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Porsche scraping along
Hi Ed, You wrote:<> I've always thought car evaluations should be bsed on a car chosen at random with >100k miles on it. A new car *should* be easy to build - but of course, it;s not. A car with some miles on it is much more representative of a cars build quality. But for those on this list that's pretty basic knowledge. I do like the long term tests performed by some magazines as they are approaching real world - especially near the end of the term. Take care -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche scraping along > Na, I read other posts besides my own, I just try to avoid reading yours > whenever possible. > > Defects are largely based on what people bring back and complain about. > It's as much to do with owner expectations, as it is about a quality > product. Most guys how guy a new S Class are probably going to be a > little > pickier than a guy who buys a Camry. > > As for the 993 being a zero defects car, it was far from that. If you > think > it is, go and buy the best one you can find and live with it for awhile. > Blow an engine up a newer porsche, under warranty, and they won't even try > to rebuild it, they'll just plug a new one in.. Nothing wrong with a > Boxster, I've spend lots of time in them, but many of the parts look like > they were supplied by IKEA, and some of the engineering, is just, well, > crap! > > Porsche is making lots of money and stying healthy. Good for them, just > means I'll be more likely to be able to get factory parts of my old > beaters > in the years to come. > > As for Mercedes, the new S550 also came out with near zero defects. > Having > said that, most are probably leased for 3-4 years, so if dumping the car > in > a few years, maybe the driver doesn't look as close as the guy 20 years > ago > who wrote out the big cheque, and planned to live with the car for 15 > years > or 400,000 kms does. Lets see what the near zero defect S looks like in > 10 > years. > > Ed > 300E, and other stuff too. > > On 14/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> <> and >> cheaper. :-)>> >> >> Ed, this is what happens when all you read are your own posts. >> >> As I posted some time back, more than twelve years ago Porsche openly >> hired a >> Japanese consulting company to come in and redesign the factory (from the >> "German" way of doing things) to lower costs and raise efficiency. >> >> As a result, production cost of the 993 was cut by a third and soon >> after, >> the first zero defects car was built in the company's history. And today, >> Porsche's profit per unit is the highest in the industry, worldwide. >> >> Which is also why I bought a new Mercedes instead of a Boxster or Cayman. >> >> RLE >> >> >> ** >> See what's new at http://www.aol.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.32/1131 - Release Date: > 11/14/2007 4:54 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Porsche scraping along
Na, I read other posts besides my own, I just try to avoid reading yours whenever possible. Defects are largely based on what people bring back and complain about. It's as much to do with owner expectations, as it is about a quality product. Most guys how guy a new S Class are probably going to be a little pickier than a guy who buys a Camry. As for the 993 being a zero defects car, it was far from that. If you think it is, go and buy the best one you can find and live with it for awhile. Blow an engine up a newer porsche, under warranty, and they won't even try to rebuild it, they'll just plug a new one in.. Nothing wrong with a Boxster, I've spend lots of time in them, but many of the parts look like they were supplied by IKEA, and some of the engineering, is just, well, crap! Porsche is making lots of money and stying healthy. Good for them, just means I'll be more likely to be able to get factory parts of my old beaters in the years to come. As for Mercedes, the new S550 also came out with near zero defects. Having said that, most are probably leased for 3-4 years, so if dumping the car in a few years, maybe the driver doesn't look as close as the guy 20 years ago who wrote out the big cheque, and planned to live with the car for 15 years or 400,000 kms does. Lets see what the near zero defect S looks like in 10 years. Ed 300E, and other stuff too. On 14/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > < and > cheaper. :-)>> > > Ed, this is what happens when all you read are your own posts. > > As I posted some time back, more than twelve years ago Porsche openly > hired a > Japanese consulting company to come in and redesign the factory (from the > "German" way of doing things) to lower costs and raise efficiency. > > As a result, production cost of the 993 was cut by a third and soon after, > the first zero defects car was built in the company's history. And today, > Porsche's profit per unit is the highest in the industry, worldwide. > > Which is also why I bought a new Mercedes instead of a Boxster or Cayman. > > RLE > > > ** > See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Porsche scraping along
<> Ed, this is what happens when all you read are your own posts. As I posted some time back, more than twelve years ago Porsche openly hired a Japanese consulting company to come in and redesign the factory (from the "German" way of doing things) to lower costs and raise efficiency. As a result, production cost of the 993 was cut by a third and soon after, the first zero defects car was built in the company's history. And today, Porsche's profit per unit is the highest in the industry, worldwide. Which is also why I bought a new Mercedes instead of a Boxster or Cayman. RLE ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
