Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
And yet he keeps on swinging!!! Went out today to look at the SL I missed getting a look at in January due to the Seattle style blizzard. Seller had to be out of town on work to Hawai'i instead of hanging out in the rain for three months. 1974 two tone 450SL. Body is one of these green STONEPINE GREEN DB862 CITROS GREENDB874 CALEDONIA GREEN DB867 With the top and hub caps in NICKEL GREENDB870 I think it is a good 5-10 footer. A few rock chips in the body paint, and some crazing/alligator on the hard top. Should survive a garaged life until I can amass a fortune to get a repaint with good clear. No exterior rust that I could find, Interior is another story. The boot is not really bad. Spare well is fairly dry and pretty rust free. The home of the battery on the newer models was a pool, and the drain was blocked, Clear that and it piddled right out. Will have to POR and paint. Foot wells are a disaster, but not rot through. Wire wheel and brush to get the rust gone and then POR-15 to seal it. Shelf is dry without rust. Battery home under the bonnet will need POR-15 as well. No body damage at all according to the trusty magnet. Light make photons. No fogs. Wipers wipe, but not washer fluid. Either plugged nozzle or dead pump. Not a huge issue. Good front end with great steering. All new rubber bushings and Bilstein shocks. Tie rods and steering metal, box adjusted 10k ago. Sub frame was dealt with under recall. Pretty solid and no scary corrosion going on. Will need to paint the brake booster, air filter cover and other small stuff back to black.The rest of the engine compartment looks fine. It is 38 years old, but has seen maintenance. Even the hood pad is in good shape. I am going to have her visit my indy early this week and then make offer. He says he is firm at $3k, but I may be able to get a few pennies knocked off. clay On Mar 23, 2012, at 11:41 AM, John Freer wrote: > FWIW, here's a list of the upgrades to the 560SL from the previous R1076's. > > According to MB, the following are among the items that were changed > for the 560SL (only version 107.048): > > Different spring rate > Harder shocks with shorter travel > Larger torsion bar (up 1mm to 26mm) > Front axle carrier (backwards compatible to previous 107/114/115) > Front lower ctrl arm (extended to change geometry; 124 balljoint) > Front upper ctrl arm (change of materials; replaceable balljoint) > Steering knuckle/arm (from 124) > Front hub (from 124/201) > Brake discs (from 124/201) > Steering (less travel, different pump) > Prop shaft carrier (124; changed shape of tunnel to accommodate) > Rear diff carrier (to get rid of the SL rear diff whine; better > isolation, different mounts, and subframe mts left/right are > different) > Axle shafts (from SEC, but no vibration dampers) > Fuel tank mount (because of the changed diff suspension) > A-pillars (they don't say what changed) > B-pillars (126 locks and strikers required redesign) > Doors (126 door handles) > Main floor (changed stiffening) > Rear floor (?) > Hood (cutout for larger brake booster) > Firewall (presumably for the booster) > Seats (more side bolstering) > > And of course, the front skirt was changed and they added the little spoiler. > > John > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: >> No, I haven't, and I probably should have clarified my response to cover the >> 450SL only, which is the model I know the most about in the 107 line. >> >> I researched and inspected literally 30+ of these back in 2003-4 when I was >> seriously considering purchasing a 450SL. I saw so many negative things on >> that model while doing so that it completely jaded me in regards to it. >> >> These things are a dime a dozen in Florida, for some reason, and they all >> have the same issues in various levels. And they are typically overpriced >> for the condition as well. >> >> I have no doubt that by the time the 560SL came out much of this was ironed >> out. That and the fact that there is a considerable increase in horsepower >> between the models only makes sense that the 560SL would be far better. >> >> However, at the time the 560s were out of my price range, so they were never >> under consideration. >> >> Dan >> >> On Mar 23, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Alex Chamberlain >> wrote: >> >>> On Mar 23, 2012 10:28 AM, "Dan Penoff" wrote: Given the choice, I would opt for the 380, as it is a nice balance of >>> economy and power. IMHO, the later V-8 models are detuned to the point of being worthless, >>> Clearly you have not driven a 560 which has plenty of get-up-and-go either >>> in the 107 or 126 (even by the standards of our bizarre modern world >>> wherein minivans have 250+ hp). >>> >>> Alex >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> T
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
Day late, dollar short. While discussing the deal with SWMBA the car slipped through my fingers.. into the hand of the fellow who had yet to put money on the table. He picked it up for his 18 year old daughter for $8500. Having a truck take it to Vancouver BC for her birthday. clay On Mar 23, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > Given the choice, I would opt for the 380, as it is a nice balance of economy > and power. > > IMHO, the later V-8 models are detuned to the point of being worthless, not > to mention they are far from efficient (if that term could be used to > describe a V-8!) > > Dan > > On Mar 23, 2012, at 12:49 PM, clay monroe wrote: > >> 1983 380SL >> >> Timing chain was checked 10k ago and was fine >> >> On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Max wrote: >> >>> Year? 560? 380? 450? 350? >>> -- >>> Max Dillon >>> Charleston SC >>> '95 E300, '87 300TD >>> ___ >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
In the case described below, I'm reasonably certain that the new chain on worn out sprockets was no better than, and probably worse than, leaving the old chain that was worn to match the sprockets installed. Now I'm left wondering what the crank and IP sprockets look like when we roll a new chain into a 617, but I'd bet money that all the sprockets on the 380 were in sad shape and the mechanic who replaced the cam sprockets should have known that the other sprockets were in similar condition. Chains should be replaced before they wear much, or the new chain should go in with new sprockets. Mitch. Dave in SoCal wrote: I took the advice below to heart when I bought my '83 380SL. Not looking for controversy nor plan to defend Stu's reputation but I wouldn't underestimate the single row chain issue. Dave Stu Ritter wrote: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:49:46 Some thoughts about the single row chain in the 81-83 380 models. I have always maintained that chains were cheap and we have changed these chains every 30,000 miles (I am very conservative with other peoples cars). Then the following.. a 1981 380SEC that I have maintained since new. REplaced chain at 30K, chain and updated cam sprockets at 60K and then at 82,000 with no warning, no noise, no nuttin', the chain snapped. The post mortem revealed that the sprockets inside the timing chest were so worn out they had damaged the chain. The idler sprocket, the distributor drive sprocket and the crankshaft sprocket were EXTREMELY worn out. I have now changed my point of view and we have been converting every car in my fleet. I called all of my customers within the affected range and told them to convert or sell. We have converted five now and the condition of the sprockets that we have taken out makes me think of a bomb, sitting there just ticking away. I now believe the convers io n really needs to be done.. Stu Ritter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
FWIW, here's a list of the upgrades to the 560SL from the previous R1076's. According to MB, the following are among the items that were changed for the 560SL (only version 107.048): Different spring rate Harder shocks with shorter travel Larger torsion bar (up 1mm to 26mm) Front axle carrier (backwards compatible to previous 107/114/115) Front lower ctrl arm (extended to change geometry; 124 balljoint) Front upper ctrl arm (change of materials; replaceable balljoint) Steering knuckle/arm (from 124) Front hub (from 124/201) Brake discs (from 124/201) Steering (less travel, different pump) Prop shaft carrier (124; changed shape of tunnel to accommodate) Rear diff carrier (to get rid of the SL rear diff whine; better isolation, different mounts, and subframe mts left/right are different) Axle shafts (from SEC, but no vibration dampers) Fuel tank mount (because of the changed diff suspension) A-pillars (they don't say what changed) B-pillars (126 locks and strikers required redesign) Doors (126 door handles) Main floor (changed stiffening) Rear floor (?) Hood (cutout for larger brake booster) Firewall (presumably for the booster) Seats (more side bolstering) And of course, the front skirt was changed and they added the little spoiler. John On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > No, I haven't, and I probably should have clarified my response to cover the > 450SL only, which is the model I know the most about in the 107 line. > > I researched and inspected literally 30+ of these back in 2003-4 when I was > seriously considering purchasing a 450SL. I saw so many negative things on > that model while doing so that it completely jaded me in regards to it. > > These things are a dime a dozen in Florida, for some reason, and they all > have the same issues in various levels. And they are typically overpriced for > the condition as well. > > I have no doubt that by the time the 560SL came out much of this was ironed > out. That and the fact that there is a considerable increase in horsepower > between the models only makes sense that the 560SL would be far better. > > However, at the time the 560s were out of my price range, so they were never > under consideration. > > Dan > > On Mar 23, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > >> On Mar 23, 2012 10:28 AM, "Dan Penoff" wrote: >>> >>> Given the choice, I would opt for the 380, as it is a nice balance of >> economy and power. >>> >>> IMHO, the later V-8 models are detuned to the point of being worthless, >> Clearly you have not driven a 560 which has plenty of get-up-and-go either >> in the 107 or 126 (even by the standards of our bizarre modern world >> wherein minivans have 250+ hp). >> >> Alex >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
No, I haven't, and I probably should have clarified my response to cover the 450SL only, which is the model I know the most about in the 107 line. I researched and inspected literally 30+ of these back in 2003-4 when I was seriously considering purchasing a 450SL. I saw so many negative things on that model while doing so that it completely jaded me in regards to it. These things are a dime a dozen in Florida, for some reason, and they all have the same issues in various levels. And they are typically overpriced for the condition as well. I have no doubt that by the time the 560SL came out much of this was ironed out. That and the fact that there is a considerable increase in horsepower between the models only makes sense that the 560SL would be far better. However, at the time the 560s were out of my price range, so they were never under consideration. Dan On Mar 23, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Mar 23, 2012 10:28 AM, "Dan Penoff" wrote: >> >> Given the choice, I would opt for the 380, as it is a nice balance of > economy and power. >> >> IMHO, the later V-8 models are detuned to the point of being worthless, > Clearly you have not driven a 560 which has plenty of get-up-and-go either > in the 107 or 126 (even by the standards of our bizarre modern world > wherein minivans have 250+ hp). > > Alex > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My thinking exactly. If I wanted a race car, I would buy a Porsche. That's one of the reasons why the 380SEL appeals to me. A beautiful chassis with an engine that is relatively simple to service and economical to drive. Dan On Mar 23, 2012, at 1:58 PM, clay monroe wrote: > I am not interested in power. I want a calm and agreeable ride. Remember, I > am from the Gump school of car love. > > clay > > On Mar 23, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > >> On Mar 23, 2012 10:28 AM, "Dan Penoff" wrote: >>> >>> Given the choice, I would opt for the 380, as it is a nice balance of >> economy and power. >>> >>> IMHO, the later V-8 models are detuned to the point of being worthless, >> Clearly you have not driven a 560 which has plenty of get-up-and-go either >> in the 107 or 126 (even by the standards of our bizarre modern world >> wherein minivans have 250+ hp). >> >> Alex >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
I am not interested in power. I want a calm and agreeable ride. Remember, I am from the Gump school of car love. clay On Mar 23, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Mar 23, 2012 10:28 AM, "Dan Penoff" wrote: >> >> Given the choice, I would opt for the 380, as it is a nice balance of > economy and power. >> >> IMHO, the later V-8 models are detuned to the point of being worthless, > Clearly you have not driven a 560 which has plenty of get-up-and-go either > in the 107 or 126 (even by the standards of our bizarre modern world > wherein minivans have 250+ hp). > > Alex > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
I am jonesing for the early 450sl, since it is simple and sort of easy to work with. All the smog and ABS or computer mess is not for me. Seeing all the $ that replacing that stuff entails when it fails, just does not spark my plugs. A simple euro 280sl grey market with hand crank windows and no AC. That is the dream. This one on the stealership floor, though, is like a 30 year old dame. She has great skin still, motor runs sweet, and she will take you where you want to go. Does not drink or smoke, no fad diet, so she has a bit of a girlish figure still. clay had to stop, because it was veering toward banned On Mar 23, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > > On Mar 23, 2012 10:18 AM, "clay monroe" wrote: >> >> All fresh hoses and rubber under the hood. PO was not mechanically > inclined and just had dealer do all the work. ACC works, because the guy > wanted the car fully functional and paid through the nose for that job. >> > > Yeah but... when all's said and done you still have a 380. > > You want collectible, go for an early or late car-- a minimal-smog 450 or a > 560 in a good color. > > Alex > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mar 23, 2012 10:51 AM, "clay monroe" wrote: > > Guess I take the 380 and de > californicate it. My Euro 500 has no smoggery on it at all... Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
Very true that. I was looking at the swapping out of trans and diff to get the needed power. The later set makes up for how detuned the 560 was, but does not bolt on well to the older engine. Guess I take the 380 and de californicate it. Should be some bhp gain in losing the cat and other hobbling gear clay On Mar 23, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > Given the choice, I would opt for the 380, as it is a nice balance of economy > and power. > > IMHO, the later V-8 models are detuned to the point of being worthless, not > to mention they are far from efficient (if that term could be used to > describe a V-8!) > > Dan > > On Mar 23, 2012, at 12:49 PM, clay monroe wrote: > >> 1983 380SL >> >> Timing chain was checked 10k ago and was fine >> >> On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Max wrote: >> >>> Year? 560? 380? 450? 350? >>> -- >>> Max Dillon >>> Charleston SC >>> '95 E300, '87 300TD >>> ___ >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
I took the advice below to heart when I bought my '83 380SL. Not looking for controversy nor plan to defend Stu's reputation but I wouldn't underestimate the single row chain issue. Dave > Stu Ritter wrote: > Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:49:46 > Some thoughts about the single row chain in the 81-83 380 models. I have > always maintained that chains were cheap and we have changed these chains > every 30,000 miles (I am very conservative with other peoples cars). Then the > following.. a 1981 380SEC that I have maintained since new. REplaced chain at > 30K, chain and updated cam sprockets at 60K and then at 82,000 with no > warning, no noise, no nuttin', the chain snapped. The post mortem revealed > that the sprockets inside the timing chest were so worn out they had damaged > the chain. The idler sprocket, the distributor drive sprocket and the > crankshaft sprocket were EXTREMELY worn out. I have now changed my point of > view and we have been converting every car in my fleet. I called all of my > customers within the affected range and told them to convert or sell. We have > converted five now and the condition of the sprockets that we have taken out > makes me think of a bomb, sitting there just ticking away. I now believe the > conversion really needs to be done.. Stu Ritter On Mar 23, 2012, at 10:21 AM, clay monroe wrote: > I really want a 280 engine. No need for V8 guzzling and lack of power > because it got detuned anyway. Dual banks of things to go wrong with V8, and > twice the expense. > > clay > > On Mar 23, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > >> >> On Mar 23, 2012 9:53 AM, "John Freer" wrote: >>> >>> Converted to dual chain? If not, run. >>> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
On Mar 23, 2012 10:28 AM, "Dan Penoff" wrote: > > Given the choice, I would opt for the 380, as it is a nice balance of economy and power. > > IMHO, the later V-8 models are detuned to the point of being worthless, Clearly you have not driven a 560 which has plenty of get-up-and-go either in the 107 or 126 (even by the standards of our bizarre modern world wherein minivans have 250+ hp). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mar 23, 2012 10:18 AM, "clay monroe" wrote: > > All fresh hoses and rubber under the hood. PO was not mechanically inclined and just had dealer do all the work. ACC works, because the guy wanted the car fully functional and paid through the nose for that job. > Yeah but... when all's said and done you still have a 380. You want collectible, go for an early or late car-- a minimal-smog 450 or a 560 in a good color. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
Given the choice, I would opt for the 380, as it is a nice balance of economy and power. IMHO, the later V-8 models are detuned to the point of being worthless, not to mention they are far from efficient (if that term could be used to describe a V-8!) Dan On Mar 23, 2012, at 12:49 PM, clay monroe wrote: > 1983 380SL > > Timing chain was checked 10k ago and was fine > > On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Max wrote: > >> Year? 560? 380? 450? 350? >> -- >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> '95 E300, '87 300TD >> ___ >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I really want a 280 engine. No need for V8 guzzling and lack of power because it got detuned anyway. Dual banks of things to go wrong with V8, and twice the expense. clay On Mar 23, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > > On Mar 23, 2012 9:53 AM, "John Freer" wrote: >> >> Converted to dual chain? If not, run. >> > > I will sell Clay the engine from my POS Euro 500SEL for $500. That would > make a nice swap into a 380. > > Alex > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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All fresh hoses and rubber under the hood. PO was not mechanically inclined and just had dealer do all the work. ACC works, because the guy wanted the car fully functional and paid through the nose for that job. clay On Mar 22, 2012, at 5:01 PM, OK Don wrote: > Green coolant means a new radiator, and possibly a water pump. Oil on the > hoo dpad might be from the breather having broken or come loose in the past > - which also indicates that despite the low miles, the rings are frozen and > leaking. Remember that unless they've been recently replaced, ALL the > rubber under the hood is rock hard and leaking. There is a LOT of ruber in > the intake system - I replaced all of it in the 450SLC. > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 6:31 PM, clay monroe wrote: > >> Been scouring the local R107 barrel. Finally found a true keeper. Of >> course it is at the stealer, is nigh perfect all around, and under $11k. >> Not mine yet. >> >> Has 120k miles, great paint, with three rock chips, glass has one rock >> chip. Second owner, with folder of records and all paperwork. NO RUST AT >> ALL ANYWHERE. I mean this babe is dang near showroom. Except the shop >> did not bother to detail the engine or under carriage. Garage kept, but >> the dirt was as turn off. And there is oily dirt build up on the hood pad >> where the intake is. Were this Gump, I would say the oil bath was sloshing >> out. I wonder what is leaking oil. Left head or valve cover? Coolant is >> green. The owner took the car to the other local dealer for service. Why >> green water though? >> >> Opinions? Sales boy was scamming me with "there is an offer on the car, >> but no cash on the table, yet" SWMBA is putting the brakes on this. Test >> drive in the a.m. Card has a high limit, and she would get air miles. >> >> clay >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > -- > OK Don > 2001 ML320 > 1992 300D 2.5T > 1990 300D 2.5T > 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
Ah, no conversion clay On Mar 23, 2012, at 9:56 AM, John Freer wrote: > Converted to dual chain? If not, run. > > John > > Sent from my iPad > > On Mar 23, 2012, at 9:49 AM, clay monroe wrote: > >> 1983 380SL >> >> Timing chain was checked 10k ago and was fine >> >> On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Max wrote: >> >>> Year? 560? 380? 450? 350? >>> -- >>> Max Dillon >>> Charleston SC >>> '95 E300, '87 300TD >>> ___ >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
On Mar 23, 2012 9:53 AM, "John Freer" wrote: > > Converted to dual chain? If not, run. > I will sell Clay the engine from my POS Euro 500SEL for $500. That would make a nice swap into a 380. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maybe next week. I have three other SL I am checking out this weekend in that price range. I am finding that price range is full of compromised examples. I have seen others that are closer to 10k that are also "needs help". On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote: > Come on down to Vancouver and look this one over. > > > http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2908057854.html > > Not mine, no interest, ETC. > > Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon > 1977 240D 315Kmi, Liesel the Diesel > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
Converted to dual chain? If not, run. John Sent from my iPad On Mar 23, 2012, at 9:49 AM, clay monroe wrote: > 1983 380SL > > Timing chain was checked 10k ago and was fine > > On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Max wrote: > >> Year? 560? 380? 450? 350? >> -- >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> '95 E300, '87 300TD >> ___ >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
1983 380SL Timing chain was checked 10k ago and was fine On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Max wrote: > Year? 560? 380? 450? 350? > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '95 E300, '87 300TD > ___ > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
Come on down to Vancouver and look this one over. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2908057854.html Not mine, no interest, ETC. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 1977 240D 315Kmi, Liesel the Diesel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
Year? 560? 380? 450? 350? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
This would be superb investment. As the thought is, you purchase either a good body or good engine. Been looking at examples that can say neither. This seems to be in the top 95% in both. Rubber body seals are soft and good. No visible evidence of any water intrusion. Might even be original seals that aged well. Probably not survive another decade, but should do well until then. Keep the stuff fresh, and this will only become more valuable. Not been renovated or rebuilt. Should be due for one in 2020. Last major service was done 10k miles ago in 2003. Thousand miles a year with fresh fluids the records show. There is corrosion at the upper radiator neck joint. Might use that as negotiating point. Ask for the shop to do remedy work for poor coolant choice, hoses, radiator, thermostat and water pump. Fluid changes all around with new filters and complete interior and exterior detail so that any new leaks are visible. This while negotiating a reasonable price in case there are deep issues. Were I to toss this on a CC, I would turn around and make at least $5k in TX, CA, AZ or FL. GA or NY and New England I could ask $18k easy. This is that good. Leno or Classic Center inductee from what I can tell. clay On Mar 22, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote: > Personally I would rather see a car in it's natural state rather than > detailed. > Oil leaks are not natural and can be used as a bargaining tool, coolant > colour depends on the manufacturer, Lemfoerders coolant for MB's is green. > Looks like you're in a poker game with the sales person, ya gotta figure out > if he is bluffing. Guess it depends on how much you want this car, all you > can do is give him your best offer and see what happens, or pay what they > want. > Although my gut feeling is that the sales fella is spinning you a line, with > a reputable dealer you make an offer and then they say yes or no. It would be > a bit underhanded for them to accept an offer and then show the car to > someone else in the hope of getting a few more dollars. > > "there is an offer on the car, but no cash on the table, yet" > > makes me think that they have accepted that offer but are waiting for the > offerer to get the money together, far as I am concerned if they accepted > that offer, the car is off the market until such time as the time limit on > that deal runs out. > If the sales guy said to you that there is an offer on the car but we are > happy to take your contact details, in case that deal falls through. then I > would believe him. > I don't know all the legalities but is it binding if you make an offer on a > car and the dealer accepts, or does it only become legal upon signing of a > sales contract? > However I would think that a serious buyer would be required to place a > deposit. > I guess if someone looking to buy a 11k car doesn't have money for a deposit, > they more than likely would not have the money to buy the car. > Anywho, best of luck with it, the R107 is on my list of cars I would like to > own, what model/year is it? > BTW you can try and sell it to the missus as an investment, not sure but the > 107 may well have hit the bottom of the depreciation cycle. > > Hendrik > who tries not to deal with dealers too much > > On 23/03/12 10:01, clay monroe wrote: >> Been scouring the local R107 barrel. Finally found a true keeper. Of >> course it is at the stealer, is nigh perfect all around, and under $11k. >> Not mine yet. >> >> Has 120k miles, great paint, with three rock chips, glass has one rock chip. >> Second owner, with folder of records and all paperwork. NO RUST AT ALL >> ANYWHERE. I mean this babe is dang near showroom. Except the shop did not >> bother to detail the engine or under carriage. Garage kept, but the dirt >> was as turn off. And there is oily dirt build up on the hood pad where the >> intake is. Were this Gump, I would say the oil bath was sloshing out. I >> wonder what is leaking oil. Left head or valve cover? Coolant is green. >> The owner took the car to the other local dealer for service. Why green >> water though? >> >> Opinions? Sales boy was scamming me with "there is an offer on the car, but >> no cash on the table, yet" SWMBA is putting the brakes on this. Test drive >> in the a.m. Card has a high limit, and she would get air miles. >> >> clay >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
Personally I would rather see a car in it's natural state rather than detailed. Oil leaks are not natural and can be used as a bargaining tool, coolant colour depends on the manufacturer, Lemfoerders coolant for MB's is green. Looks like you're in a poker game with the sales person, ya gotta figure out if he is bluffing. Guess it depends on how much you want this car, all you can do is give him your best offer and see what happens, or pay what they want. Although my gut feeling is that the sales fella is spinning you a line, with a reputable dealer you make an offer and then they say yes or no. It would be a bit underhanded for them to accept an offer and then show the car to someone else in the hope of getting a few more dollars. "there is an offer on the car, but no cash on the table, yet" makes me think that they have accepted that offer but are waiting for the offerer to get the money together, far as I am concerned if they accepted that offer, the car is off the market until such time as the time limit on that deal runs out. If the sales guy said to you that there is an offer on the car but we are happy to take your contact details, in case that deal falls through. then I would believe him. I don't know all the legalities but is it binding if you make an offer on a car and the dealer accepts, or does it only become legal upon signing of a sales contract? However I would think that a serious buyer would be required to place a deposit. I guess if someone looking to buy a 11k car doesn't have money for a deposit, they more than likely would not have the money to buy the car. Anywho, best of luck with it, the R107 is on my list of cars I would like to own, what model/year is it? BTW you can try and sell it to the missus as an investment, not sure but the 107 may well have hit the bottom of the depreciation cycle. Hendrik who tries not to deal with dealers too much On 23/03/12 10:01, clay monroe wrote: Been scouring the local R107 barrel. Finally found a true keeper. Of course it is at the stealer, is nigh perfect all around, and under $11k. Not mine yet. Has 120k miles, great paint, with three rock chips, glass has one rock chip. Second owner, with folder of records and all paperwork. NO RUST AT ALL ANYWHERE. I mean this babe is dang near showroom. Except the shop did not bother to detail the engine or under carriage. Garage kept, but the dirt was as turn off. And there is oily dirt build up on the hood pad where the intake is. Were this Gump, I would say the oil bath was sloshing out. I wonder what is leaking oil. Left head or valve cover? Coolant is green. The owner took the car to the other local dealer for service. Why green water though? Opinions? Sales boy was scamming me with "there is an offer on the car, but no cash on the table, yet" SWMBA is putting the brakes on this. Test drive in the a.m. Card has a high limit, and she would get air miles. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R107 chubb
Green coolant means a new radiator, and possibly a water pump. Oil on the hoo dpad might be from the breather having broken or come loose in the past - which also indicates that despite the low miles, the rings are frozen and leaking. Remember that unless they've been recently replaced, ALL the rubber under the hood is rock hard and leaking. There is a LOT of ruber in the intake system - I replaced all of it in the 450SLC. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 6:31 PM, clay monroe wrote: > Been scouring the local R107 barrel. Finally found a true keeper. Of > course it is at the stealer, is nigh perfect all around, and under $11k. > Not mine yet. > > Has 120k miles, great paint, with three rock chips, glass has one rock > chip. Second owner, with folder of records and all paperwork. NO RUST AT > ALL ANYWHERE. I mean this babe is dang near showroom. Except the shop > did not bother to detail the engine or under carriage. Garage kept, but > the dirt was as turn off. And there is oily dirt build up on the hood pad > where the intake is. Were this Gump, I would say the oil bath was sloshing > out. I wonder what is leaking oil. Left head or valve cover? Coolant is > green. The owner took the car to the other local dealer for service. Why > green water though? > > Opinions? Sales boy was scamming me with "there is an offer on the car, > but no cash on the table, yet" SWMBA is putting the brakes on this. Test > drive in the a.m. Card has a high limit, and she would get air miles. > > clay > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] R107 chubb
Been scouring the local R107 barrel. Finally found a true keeper. Of course it is at the stealer, is nigh perfect all around, and under $11k. Not mine yet. Has 120k miles, great paint, with three rock chips, glass has one rock chip. Second owner, with folder of records and all paperwork. NO RUST AT ALL ANYWHERE. I mean this babe is dang near showroom. Except the shop did not bother to detail the engine or under carriage. Garage kept, but the dirt was as turn off. And there is oily dirt build up on the hood pad where the intake is. Were this Gump, I would say the oil bath was sloshing out. I wonder what is leaking oil. Left head or valve cover? Coolant is green. The owner took the car to the other local dealer for service. Why green water though? Opinions? Sales boy was scamming me with "there is an offer on the car, but no cash on the table, yet" SWMBA is putting the brakes on this. Test drive in the a.m. Card has a high limit, and she would get air miles. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
