Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
Philip, As you said, I can only relate my personal experience with ethanol. And that is, my 2001 Dodge Ram 1500 with the 5.9 liter magnum V8 does not like ethanol gas. It idles rougher and it gets about 2 mpg less. Again, this is my experience with a big engine. When I can find Marathon out in the country without ethanol, I fill up the truck and it's happy for awhile. Unfortunately, I live too close to Atlanta and the state requires the stations to sell ethanol added gas within what's considered the metro area. However, I've used it in my gas weed trimmer and 3 lawn mowers with no problems that I've noticed as it relates to small engines. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
I'm out of the country now, but will try to remember to look it up next week. On Friday, April 18, 2014, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Don, Thanks for the tip about the testing kit. Where do you find them? Thanks, Grant.. On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:47 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: I bought a testing kit that is an alcohol soluble dye. Put a drop in a sample of the gas, agitate, and see whether the sample has changed color and whether the drop is still the same size. I test the fuel perhaps every other month that goes into the Cessna from the usual station, and before pumping much from new stations. On Thursday, April 17, 2014, Kevin Allen Kraly kevinpadd...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: How do you make sure that the gasoline that you're buying is not contaminated with ethanol? The Toyota Sienna Minivan got a fillip of premium today. I read some time ago on this list that premium gas isn't blended. I don't want any gas containing ethanol in the van since it doesn't get driven much. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 2012 Toy Sienna Van, 14Kmi 2012 Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel Pickup 3.6Kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
OK Don wrote: I'm out of the country now, but will try to remember to look it up next week. Anybody have it cheaper than $10.75 + $5 shipping per half ounce? http://www.fuel-testers.com/quikcheck.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
I think tanks that are protected do better than those left out. Lately I've taken to covering the gas caps on the snowmobiles with a rubber glove. Older snowmobile gas caps often have a vented gauge which allows water infiltration even (especially?) when the sled is covered with a tarp. The rubber glove allows for some excess space should the tank pressurize in the warm but doesn't allow water in. That seems to have helped me a lot. My Dad leaves all his equipment out all the time, he's basically lazy about putting stuff away. He sees many carb problems... -Curt Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 23:21:26 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID: 20140418232126.0c1e0...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Here's a better explanation of the test suggested previously which is simply based on the affinity of alcohol for water; no complex chemistry involved. Thanks! This one makes sense. Therefore, any deviation in the water line indicates the presence of ethanol and should serve as a basis for rejecting the fuel. I'm going to speak up again. For nearly 30 years I have been using ethanol blend gasoline [petrol]. I began seeking it out and have used it almost exclusively for 25 years. I tried it way back then and discovered the carburetor maintenance on my cars went _way_ down with the blend. Since then, I have used it for cars, lawn mowers, chainsaws, line trimmers, etc. Some of the mowers have repeatedly sat for 6 to 8 months with fuel in the tank. I often mix a stabilizer (Stabil initially, more recently Sea Foam) with the two stroke - but not always. In those 25 years I cannot blame the fuel for even one problem with any of the engines. Zero. Yet there are a lot of people who claim lots of problems caused by ethanol. I don't understand why my experience is _so_ different. All these tales of woe are making me nervous - yet my experiences suggest I should keep doing what I have been. -- Philip, puzzled. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
Have you done a tune-up on it? Replaced the fuel filter? I had a '96 Dodge Dakota with the magnum 5.2l v8 and I never detected any issues running with ethanol fuel. My guess is your truck has a marginally dirty fuel system which the ethanol is gradually scrubbing into the injectors. I'd further guess that if you filled it with ethanol fuel and ran it hard enough and long enough (might take a couple thousand hard miles) you'd either get past the problem or plug the fuel filter. Unfortunately if your pickup is like my Dakota the filter is in the tank and is somewhat of a bear to replace. -Curt Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 12:34:27 + (UTC) From: roger...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID: 1254472027.29354809.1397910867599.javamail.r...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Philip, As you said, I can only relate my personal experience with ethanol. And that is, my 2001 Dodge Ram 1500 with the 5.9 liter magnum V8 does not like ethanol gas. It idles rougher and it gets about 2 mpg less. Again, this is my experience with a big engine. When I can find Marathon out in the country without ethanol, I fill up the truck and it's happy for awhile. Unfortunately, I live too close to Atlanta and the state requires the stations to sell ethanol added gas within what's considered the metro area. However, I've used it in my gas weed trimmer and 3 lawn mowers with no problems that I've noticed as it relates to small engines. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
A Shell station recently built nearby has one pump off to the side which is labeled ethanol free, slightly higher price. Lots of folks filling up boats, gas cans, etc use it. I suspect it is pulling from the underground tank that all the premium pumps pull from, wouldn't make sense to have a separate tank. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 18, 2014 1:20 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Unless the shop explicitly says it is ethanol free, I would not believe premium is missing corn squeezin's. There are a few stations that sell only corn free fuel up near me. Maybe on your side of the Columbia, there is some clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
Squirrels can be very tasty when cooked properly. We shot them and ate them during WW-2 when meat was almost non-existent. I seem to remember my parents cooking them with sassafras root and other local herbs. We seem to have a balance of nature which controls the squirrel and varmint population around here since a pair of foxes periodically harvest the squirrels, rabbits, mice, and seem to chase away the raccoons and possums, at least temporarily. We sometimes hear the rabbits squeal when the foxes make a killing. Gerry TIP: Deoxit D5 seems to be a remarkable cleaner and (lubricator?) for locks. I thought I had stripped the first lock on which I used it because the key turned so easily. It's long term effect remains to be seen. On 4/18/2014 12:49 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. Squirrels are a nuisance but I have no interest in killing them to fix any problems they may cause. Several years ago, I had a squirrel infestation in an rental property. I had some pros over who all suggested using rat traps. I didn't want any part of that. I used havahart traps, drove them ten miles away, released them and then closed off the ingress points. Problem finally went away and no squirrels died. Call me a pussy. I don't care. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:09 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Squirrels are VERY important. They open pine cones and bury the seeds, bury acorns, walnuts, butternut, etc. Without squirrels, we'd have no forests. Some misguided souls think forest fires open pine cones which allow new pine trees to sprout and grow, but that is an old wives tale... Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 17, 2014 8:51 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: If we had either of those around I'm sure she'd save them. Actually this is not the only reason we need a new vet but its a pretty good indicator. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 17:45:01 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID: 20140417174501.53ed5a16aff9be2dc1cdc...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: We had Buster at the vet last week and she asked me to donate money to save hurt squirrels. I laughed. We need a new vet... Yup. Our vet saves eagles and bears displaced by forest fires. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
Make a mark on a (graduated) test tube about 2 inches from the bottom and fill it with the gasoline to be tested. Top the test tube with water, shake it and allow to stand. If the gasoline contains ethanol, the level of the solution will rise, as ethanol is absorbed by water. This would prove the presence of ethanol in the gasoline. http://www.rocketswag.com/car/Ethanol/How-To-Test-For-Presence-Of-Ethanol.html Amoco white gas used to be the best gasoline since it was nearly pure octane and needed no lead or other additives. It was costly to refine and the price reflected that cost. Not sure if Amoco premium is still white gas since blue color has been added. Nevertheless, it works well in my small engines and there is no residue at the beginning of the next season. Unfortunately there is no longer any available locally. Gerry On 4/18/2014 12:45 AM, Kevin Allen Kraly wrote: How do you make sure that the gasoline that you're buying is not contaminated with ethanol? The Toyota Sienna Minivan got a fillip of premium today. I read some time ago on this list that premium gas isn't blended. I don't want any gas containing ethanol in the van since it doesn't get driven much. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 2012 Toy Sienna Van, 14Kmi 2012 Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel Pickup 3.6Kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
Kevin Allen Kraly wrote: How do you make sure that the gasoline that you're buying is not contaminated with ethanol? The Toyota Sienna Minivan got a fillip of premium today. I read some time ago on this list that premium gas isn't blended. I don't want any gas containing ethanol in the van since it doesn't get driven much. I don't know about Oregon, but in Michigan, either you bought it at a marina or it's E10, which can sometimes go as high as E15. Michigan, Indiana and Ohio all have no requirements for pump labeling. I just checked, in Oregon, if there's 1.5% or more of ethanol, the pump must have an ethanol content sticker on it. I'd trust the sticker on the pump more than I'd trust the station employees. If you ask the guy who takes your money for minimum wage, he'll just tell you the first thing that pops into his head. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
How much ethanol is in diesel fuel You bozos need to start a gasoline affinity group. On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kevin Allen Kraly wrote: How do you make sure that the gasoline that you're buying is not contaminated with ethanol? The Toyota Sienna Minivan got a fillip of premium today. I read some time ago on this list that premium gas isn't blended. I don't want any gas containing ethanol in the van since it doesn't get driven much. I don't know about Oregon, but in Michigan, either you bought it at a marina or it's E10, which can sometimes go as high as E15. Michigan, Indiana and Ohio all have no requirements for pump labeling. I just checked, in Oregon, if there's 1.5% or more of ethanol, the pump must have an ethanol content sticker on it. I'd trust the sticker on the pump more than I'd trust the station employees. If you ask the guy who takes your money for minimum wage, he'll just tell you the first thing that pops into his head. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
Correction: You didn't kill any squirrels, you don't know if they died. My parents live on the rural/urban divide near a power line access road where people like to drop off the rodents they trap. My parents backyard birdfeeders can support birds plus up to 3 squirrels, after 3 squirrels they destroy the feeders and starve the birds. We've learned this over the years after many squirrel proof feeders were ruined. So now when the 4th squirrel shows up it gets dispatched and the local scavengers eat well. Those well fed suburban squirrels are pudgy little rascals. As a lad this was both excellent target practice (I can dispatch a squirrel very humanely) and a good lesson in wildlife ecology and the circle of life. Lately I've been thinking I ought to buy a better air rifle. I've got a cheap 10 pump and while I think it would dispatch a squirrel (.177 pellet at ~900fps) its on the line for a good humane kill and I hate having to pump 10 times. A good break barrel would go more like 1100fps and would be a much more sure thing. -Curt Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 00:49:38 -0400 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID: 8dd786d5-67af-476a-b573-aab1a68e2...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes. Squirrels are a nuisance but I have no interest in killing them to fix any problems they may cause. Several years ago, I had a squirrel infestation in an rental property. I had some pros over who all suggested using rat traps. I didn't want any part of that. I used havahart traps, drove them ten miles away, released them and then closed off the ingress points. Problem finally went away and no squirrels died. Call me a pussy. I don't care. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 07:58:31 -0400 arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Make a mark on a (graduated) test tube about 2 inches from the bottom and fill it with the gasoline to be tested. Top the test tube with water, shake it and allow to stand. If the gasoline contains ethanol, the level of the solution will rise, as ethanol is absorbed by water. This would prove the presence of ethanol in the gasoline. http://www.rocketswag.com/car/Ethanol/How-To-Test-For-Presence-Of-Ethanol.html Ummm ... something is wrong here. If you put 100 ml of ethanol in a graduated cylinder and then add 100 ml of water, you will not get 200 ml of solution because the water and ethanol are miscible (they mix together), you will get less than 200 ml. What does top the test tube with water mean? Fill it to the top? How can the level of the solution rise if the ethanol and water mix? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
I've heard that squirrels are very territorial. Invaders (I.e. dropped off) squirrels are driven away. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 18, 2014 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Correction: You didn't kill any squirrels, you don't know if they died. My parents live on the rural/urban divide near a power line access road where people like to drop off the rodents they trap. My parents backyard birdfeeders can support birds plus up to 3 squirrels, after 3 squirrels they destroy the feeders and starve the birds. We've learned this over the years after many squirrel proof feeders were ruined. So now when the 4th squirrel shows up it gets dispatched and the local scavengers eat well. Those well fed suburban squirrels are pudgy little rascals. As a lad this was both excellent target practice (I can dispatch a squirrel very humanely) and a good lesson in wildlife ecology and the circle of life. Lately I've been thinking I ought to buy a better air rifle. I've got a cheap 10 pump and while I think it would dispatch a squirrel (.177 pellet at ~900fps) its on the line for a good humane kill and I hate having to pump 10 times. A good break barrel would go more like 1100fps and would be a much more sure thing. -Curt Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 00:49:38 -0400 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID: 8dd786d5-67af-476a-b573-aab1a68e2...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Yes. Squirrels are a nuisance but I have no interest in killing them to fix any problems they may cause. Several years ago, I had a squirrel infestation in an rental property. I had some pros over who all suggested using rat traps. I didn't want any part of that. I used havahart traps, drove them ten miles away, released them and then closed off the ingress points. Problem finally went away and no squirrels died. Call me a pussy. I don't care. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
On 4/18/2014 11:33 AM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 07:58:31 -0400 arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Make a mark on a (graduated) test tube about 2 inches from the bottom and fill it with the gasoline to be tested. Top the test tube with water, shake it and allow to stand. If the gasoline contains ethanol, the level of the solution will rise, as ethanol is absorbed by water. This would prove the presence of ethanol in the gasoline. http://www.rocketswag.com/car/Ethanol/How-To-Test-For-Presence-Of-Ethanol.html Ummm ... something is wrong here. If you put 100 ml of ethanol in a graduated cylinder and then add 100 ml of water, you will not get 200 ml of solution because the water and ethanol are miscible (they mix together), you will get less than 200 ml. What does top the test tube with water mean? Fill it to the top? How can the level of the solution rise if the ethanol and water mix? Craig ... Right. Rocketswag had it backwards. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_molar_property Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
Here's a better explanation of the test suggested previously which is simply based on the affinity of alcohol for water; no complex chemistry involved. HOW TO TEST FUEL FOR ETHANOL *To determine if ethanol is in the gas: * * On a test tube or olive bottle six or seven inches long, make a permanent line about two inches from the bottom. * Fill with water to this line, then fill the tube to the top with gasoline. * Cover the tube, agitate it, and let it stand. The ethanol and water will mix and separate out together. If the water level appears to have increased, the fuel contains ethanol and should not be used. Ethanol percentages of less than 5% can sometimes give a reading below the line. Therefore, any deviation in the water line indicates the presence of ethanol and should serve as a basis for rejecting the fuel. *Get a reusable tester for only $15! * *http://www.autofuelstc.com/fuel_testing.phtml * *Gerry * On 4/18/2014 10:46 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: How much ethanol is in diesel fuel You bozos need to start a gasoline affinity group. On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kevin Allen Kraly wrote: How do you make sure that the gasoline that you're buying is not contaminated with ethanol? The Toyota Sienna Minivan got a fillip of premium today. I read some time ago on this list that premium gas isn't blended. I don't want any gas containing ethanol in the van since it doesn't get driven much. I don't know about Oregon, but in Michigan, either you bought it at a marina or it's E10, which can sometimes go as high as E15. Michigan, Indiana and Ohio all have no requirements for pump labeling. I just checked, in Oregon, if there's 1.5% or more of ethanol, the pump must have an ethanol content sticker on it. I'd trust the sticker on the pump more than I'd trust the station employees. If you ask the guy who takes your money for minimum wage, he'll just tell you the first thing that pops into his head. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
Squirrels seem to be very regional, meaning they're different in different parts of the country/world. Grey squirrels don't seem to be too territorial but reds certainly are. -Curt Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:34:01 -0400 From: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID: CAHoNRR4HWWC6K3X0U9QnYrm=g01tpvkftqg4cgexfggjx7f...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I've heard that squirrels are very territorial. Invaders (I.e. dropped off) squirrels are driven away. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
I bought a testing kit that is an alcohol soluble dye. Put a drop in a sample of the gas, agitate, and see whether the sample has changed color and whether the drop is still the same size. I test the fuel perhaps every other month that goes into the Cessna from the usual station, and before pumping much from new stations. On Thursday, April 17, 2014, Kevin Allen Kraly kevinpadd...@gmail.com wrote: How do you make sure that the gasoline that you're buying is not contaminated with ethanol? The Toyota Sienna Minivan got a fillip of premium today. I read some time ago on this list that premium gas isn't blended. I don't want any gas containing ethanol in the van since it doesn't get driven much. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 2012 Toy Sienna Van, 14Kmi 2012 Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel Pickup 3.6Kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
Don, Thanks for the tip about the testing kit. Where do you find them? Thanks, Grant.. On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:47 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I bought a testing kit that is an alcohol soluble dye. Put a drop in a sample of the gas, agitate, and see whether the sample has changed color and whether the drop is still the same size. I test the fuel perhaps every other month that goes into the Cessna from the usual station, and before pumping much from new stations. On Thursday, April 17, 2014, Kevin Allen Kraly kevinpadd...@gmail.com wrote: How do you make sure that the gasoline that you're buying is not contaminated with ethanol? The Toyota Sienna Minivan got a fillip of premium today. I read some time ago on this list that premium gas isn't blended. I don't want any gas containing ethanol in the van since it doesn't get driven much. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 2012 Toy Sienna Van, 14Kmi 2012 Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel Pickup 3.6Kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Here's a better explanation of the test suggested previously which is simply based on the affinity of alcohol for water; no complex chemistry involved. Thanks! This one makes sense. Therefore, any deviation in the water line indicates the presence of ethanol and should serve as a basis for rejecting the fuel. I'm going to speak up again. For nearly 30 years I have been using ethanol blend gasoline [petrol]. I began seeking it out and have used it almost exclusively for 25 years. I tried it way back then and discovered the carburetor maintenance on my cars went _way_ down with the blend. Since then, I have used it for cars, lawn mowers, chainsaws, line trimmers, etc. Some of the mowers have repeatedly sat for 6 to 8 months with fuel in the tank. I often mix a stabilizer (Stabil initially, more recently Sea Foam) with the two stroke - but not always. In those 25 years I cannot blame the fuel for even one problem with any of the engines. Zero. Yet there are a lot of people who claim lots of problems caused by ethanol. I don't understand why my experience is _so_ different. All these tales of woe are making me nervous - yet my experiences suggest I should keep doing what I have been. -- Philip, puzzled. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
I think ethanol caused problems with several of my small 2-cycle machines. The gas cap on my chain saw swelled to the point it took a tool to remove or install it. I since got a replacement (loser fit-revised design) which solved that problem. The diaphragms in 2-cycle carburetors seem to get so stiff so you have to run them at part choke a for a long time (or constantly) to keep them running. I've had the fuel lines in two older leaf blowers disintegrate. I can't prove this is ethanol-caused but that's when it started. I do use Sta-bil in the late fall (when the gas may not get used soon) so maybe I should try Sea Foam. Scott -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 11:36 AM ... Pretty much the same with ethanol, that one is something I'd rather be without but I don't see it as big a problem as some people do. When we first switched I had a little trouble on the snowmobiles but once I quit using Sta-bil and switched to Seafoam for my gas additive the problems I'd been having went away entirely. The only time I have trouble now is if I forget to add Seafoam so I add it to every gallon of gas I buy at the time of purchase. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
In my considered opinion, ethanol addition to gasoline was a truly bad choice driven by not well informed politicians, for the wrong financial reasons. [Sorry to raise politics in this, but without it, this would have never impacted cars] Ethanol is, simply put, poorly made whiskey. It takes more energy to make than it returns in BTU's of heat energy. Mileage per car mile driven / gallon used is less because ethanol has fewer BTU per volume. Add to that, the fact that it is hygroscopic and absorbs moisture from the atomosphere, which damages fuel systems and now sensitive high pressure fuel injection systems on computer controlled cars, it does not store well at all, and raised the costs for production, blending, handling, dispensing and buying fuel overall, it was not just one bad choice but a whole suite of them. The added costs of damage to small engines, replacement fuel system components in cars, and general aggravation to the public user gives ethanol failing marks to me. Ethanol plants only turn a profit because of government subsidies, by information available to me, making the investment less practical in long term. Further, it takes grains directly from the food chain [bought ear corn at the market lately?] at a time of large drought and worldwide shortages of such foods. Apparently some states are now taking action to force removal of ethanol from fuel.. perhaps there will be resolution. On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I think ethanol caused problems with several of my small 2-cycle machines. The gas cap on my chain saw swelled to the point it took a tool to remove or install it. I since got a replacement (loser fit-revised design) which solved that problem. The diaphragms in 2-cycle carburetors seem to get so stiff so you have to run them at part choke a for a long time (or constantly) to keep them running. I've had the fuel lines in two older leaf blowers disintegrate. I can't prove this is ethanol-caused but that's when it started. I do use Sta-bil in the late fall (when the gas may not get used soon) so maybe I should try Sea Foam. Scott -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 11:36 AM ... Pretty much the same with ethanol, that one is something I'd rather be without but I don't see it as big a problem as some people do. When we first switched I had a little trouble on the snowmobiles but once I quit using Sta-bil and switched to Seafoam for my gas additive the problems I'd been having went away entirely. The only time I have trouble now is if I forget to add Seafoam so I add it to every gallon of gas I buy at the time of purchase. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:47:09 -0700 G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently some states are now taking action to force removal of ethanol from fuel.. perhaps there will be resolution. Any ideas which ones? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Yup, I remember those days, it took awhile for the manufacturers to come up with ethanol proof rubbers. I find that strange, ethanol has been used in dry-gas, especially in 2 stroke engines, for years. Anyway the other strange thing I found was a brown-sugar like substance that would be left when the ethanol fuel evaporated. I *think* its really caused by suspended water and the impurities in the water. Seafoam cured that completely. I used Sta-bil but found that the original red formula clots, it'll get little dots where it coagulates. They float around and find the passages in the carb and plug 'em. You can see it in an old open bottle of Sta-bil. I think its Sta-bil reacting with air. What do you use to stabilize your fuel stabilizer? Seafoam doesn't do that. Supposedly Sta-bil Marine which is green, doesn't do it either. I put some in the equipment at camp last year, we'll see in a month how it worked out. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 17:08:23 -0400 From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID: 8CF9B81978844318BAB80E733BDEE1DF@ScottPC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think ethanol caused problems with several of my small 2-cycle machines. The gas cap on my chain saw swelled to the point it took a tool to remove or install it. I since got a replacement (loser fit-revised design) which solved that problem. The diaphragms in 2-cycle carburetors seem to get so stiff so you have to run them at part choke a for a long time (or constantly) to keep them running. I've had the fuel lines in two older leaf blowers disintegrate. I can't prove this is ethanol-caused but that's when it started. I do use Sta-bil in the late fall (when the gas may not get used soon) so maybe I should try Sea Foam. Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
We could debate this one all day, I agree its not a great choice but... Pretty much all modern (ie not conducted in the '70s) studies show that ethanol can be produced for far less energy than you get and the leftover residue is still useful partially as feedstock and partially as compost (also as feedstock and then compost ;) ). For farmers its been a mixed blessing, pre-ethanol corn prices were in the dumper, corn on the open market was selling just slightly above where it had in the '50s. To make money in corn farming was damn near impossible. Today farming corn isn't an idiots game anymore, great for corn farmers, rotten for livestock farmers who buy corn or other feed grains which have also gone up in price as farmers plant more corn. A lot of this problem goes back to our government propping up corn prices (which provides the dreaded high-fructose corn syrup problem) to save farmers. I guess I'm a wierdo, I figure don't support the farmers, some farmers go out of business, less corn gets farmed, with less supply prices rise, the farmers that are left can make a living, Bob's your uncle problem solved. People get all weird about letting anybody go out of business. Our vet has a fund to save the lives of squirrels that get hit by cars. I don't understand that one at all, its a squirrel for petesake, we've got gazillions of them. We had Buster at the vet last week and she asked me to donate money to save hurt squirrels. I laughed. We need a new vet... -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:47:09 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID: CANTuLYgU2v2GOv0=gqu0ppmkxzgjuwjtu8h-0fhn1empvtp...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 In my considered opinion, ethanol addition to gasoline was a truly bad choice driven by not well informed politicians, for the wrong financial reasons. [Sorry to raise politics in this, but without it, this would have never impacted cars] Ethanol is, simply put, poorly made whiskey. It takes more energy to make than it returns in BTU's of heat energy. Mileage per car mile driven / gallon used is less because ethanol has fewer BTU per volume. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: We had Buster at the vet last week and she asked me to donate money to save hurt squirrels. I laughed. We need a new vet... Yup. Our vet saves eagles and bears displaced by forest fires. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
OK offers both pure and contaminated gasoline. The contaminated costs about $0.15/gallon less. I've had to replace both carbs on my two small engines that thoughtlessly got the crap left in them over the winter. The Cessna gets only pure gasoline. The Ford is supposed to run on either, but has never been subjected to the contaminated gas. On Thursday, April 17, 2014, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:47:09 -0700 G Mann g2ma...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Apparently some states are now taking action to force removal of ethanol from fuel.. perhaps there will be resolution. Any ideas which ones? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
If we had either of those around I'm sure she'd save them. Actually this is not the only reason we need a new vet but its a pretty good indicator. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 17:45:01 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID: 20140417174501.53ed5a16aff9be2dc1cdc...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: We had Buster at the vet last week and she asked me to donate money to save hurt squirrels. I laughed. We need a new vet... Yup. Our vet saves eagles and bears displaced by forest fires. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
Squirrels are VERY important. They open pine cones and bury the seeds, bury acorns, walnuts, butternut, etc. Without squirrels, we'd have no forests. Some misguided souls think forest fires open pine cones which allow new pine trees to sprout and grow, but that is an old wives tale... Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 17, 2014 8:51 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: If we had either of those around I'm sure she'd save them. Actually this is not the only reason we need a new vet but its a pretty good indicator. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 17:45:01 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID: 20140417174501.53ed5a16aff9be2dc1cdc...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: We had Buster at the vet last week and she asked me to donate money to save hurt squirrels. I laughed. We need a new vet... Yup. Our vet saves eagles and bears displaced by forest fires. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
They make a nice stew as we'll. On Thursday, April 17, 2014, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Squirrels are VERY important. They open pine cones and bury the seeds, bury acorns, walnuts, butternut, etc. Without squirrels, we'd have no forests. Some misguided souls think forest fires open pine cones which allow new pine trees to sprout and grow, but that is an old wives tale... Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 17, 2014 8:51 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.comjavascript:; wrote: If we had either of those around I'm sure she'd save them. Actually this is not the only reason we need a new vet but its a pretty good indicator. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 17:45:01 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net javascript:; To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com javascript:; Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID: 20140417174501.53ed5a16aff9be2dc1cdc...@pisquared.netjavascript:; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com javascript:; wrote: We had Buster at the vet last week and she asked me to donate money to save hurt squirrels. I laughed. We need a new vet... Yup. Our vet saves eagles and bears displaced by forest fires. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
How do you make sure that the gasoline that you're buying is not contaminated with ethanol? The Toyota Sienna Minivan got a fillip of premium today. I read some time ago on this list that premium gas isn't blended. I don't want any gas containing ethanol in the van since it doesn't get driven much. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 2012 Toy Sienna Van, 14Kmi 2012 Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel Pickup 3.6Kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
Yes. Squirrels are a nuisance but I have no interest in killing them to fix any problems they may cause. Several years ago, I had a squirrel infestation in an rental property. I had some pros over who all suggested using rat traps. I didn't want any part of that. I used havahart traps, drove them ten miles away, released them and then closed off the ingress points. Problem finally went away and no squirrels died. Call me a pussy. I don't care. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:09 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Squirrels are VERY important. They open pine cones and bury the seeds, bury acorns, walnuts, butternut, etc. Without squirrels, we'd have no forests. Some misguided souls think forest fires open pine cones which allow new pine trees to sprout and grow, but that is an old wives tale... Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 17, 2014 8:51 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: If we had either of those around I'm sure she'd save them. Actually this is not the only reason we need a new vet but its a pretty good indicator. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 17:45:01 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID: 20140417174501.53ed5a16aff9be2dc1cdc...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: We had Buster at the vet last week and she asked me to donate money to save hurt squirrels. I laughed. We need a new vet... Yup. Our vet saves eagles and bears displaced by forest fires. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
Unless the shop explicitly says it is ethanol free, I would not believe premium is missing corn squeezin's. There are a few stations that sell only corn free fuel up near me. Maybe on your side of the Columbia, there is some clay On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:45 PM, Kevin Allen Kraly wrote: How do you make sure that the gasoline that you're buying is not contaminated with ethanol? The Toyota Sienna Minivan got a fillip of premium today. I read some time ago on this list that premium gas isn't blended. I don't want any gas containing ethanol in the van since it doesn't get driven much. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 2012 Toy Sienna Van, 14Kmi 2012 Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel Pickup 3.6Kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
The key code words you want to look for on the pump is oxygenated fuel .. which when posted means ethanol added in nearly every state. On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Kevin Allen Kraly kevinpadd...@gmail.comwrote: How do you make sure that the gasoline that you're buying is not contaminated with ethanol? The Toyota Sienna Minivan got a fillip of premium today. I read some time ago on this list that premium gas isn't blended. I don't want any gas containing ethanol in the van since it doesn't get driven much. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 2012 Toy Sienna Van, 14Kmi 2012 Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel Pickup 3.6Kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
