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Given the state of the Seattle schools, I would guess that the state is rather incapable of providing an education of worth to the bulk of their constituents. I grant there are a few who come out of the classroom ready for life, but it is few. Jr. College is just daycare, and remedial classes are near mandatory for attendees of state university who come from public education. A pair of parents providing emotional, moral and educational support to the child will be better than depending upon teachers to guide kids. Schools are just warehouses for children until they can go on welfare. clay On Jul 12, 2009, at 7:10 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: I've always found parents were much better at raising kids than the state... And you would know that how? BTW, we are talking about educating them, not raising them. RLE ** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove0003) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090712/26ce9fa1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Have you seen a woman in her 50s stumble over the same thing? I have. Luther Scott Ritchey wrote: Have you watched a recent high school graduate try to make change without a computer -- or when you add the odd cents after they've rung it up? -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bozos. --R Mountain Man wrote: RLE wrote: What really bothers me is that your home-schooled children will be clones of you and your thinking and opinions. Its enough to add a bit of diversity to the kulture, eh? I bet that really makes you fear. Don't worry. Be happy. We are all clowns on this bus. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090712/3360c1bc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich Thomas wrote: Bozos. Since we're already off topic, I'll show you bozos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CAX3aJCoDg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You mean you prefer the states brand of cloning to the parent's version? I've always found parents were much better at raising kids than the state... But you have a right to your opinion - LarryT Read the Constitution http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html - Original Message - From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] clones ...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. I believe that conveying myself in the course of a day on state roads is in pursuit of life, liberty and happiness. Fuck me, however - I must be fleeced... Reading your posts is beginning to turn my brain to tofu. What really bothers me is that your home-schooled children will be clones of you and your thinking and opinions. RLE ** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove0003) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090711/2108fcda/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Some parents aren't worth a d%#@ - not that I think the State should be raising them. Some kids just get a raw deal all the way around. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 5:19 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: You mean you prefer the states brand of cloning to the parent's version? I've always found parents were much better at raising kids than the state... But you have a right to your opinion - LarryT Read the Constitution http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090712/72c85573/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Amen. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] clones Some parents aren't worth a d%#@ - not that I think the State should be raising them. Some kids just get a raw deal all the way around. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 5:19 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: You mean you prefer the states brand of cloning to the parent's version? I've always found parents were much better at raising kids than the state... But you have a right to your opinion - LarryT Read the Constitution http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090712/72c85573/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've always found parents were much better at raising kids than the state... And you would know that how? BTW, we are talking about educating them, not raising them. RLE ** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove0003) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090712/26ce9fa1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A vast majority of parents leave the educating of their kids to the state. It's pathaticand I'm not advocating home schooling. I mean the slackard parents not giving their kids any kind of base of character, ethics, morals, etc. Bob R On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:10 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: I've always found parents were much better at raising kids than the state... And you would know that how? BTW, we are talking about educating them, not raising them. RLE ** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove0003) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090712/26ce9fa1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090712/9724f8b8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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But it's not helpful to brand all home schooled parents children as belonging to either a group with spectacular success or spectacular failures. Home schooling works for many families in the proper situation. Children who will be abused are likely to be abused whether attending public school or home school. Parents who abuse their kids will find ways to hide things -- Hope ya'll have a nice week - LarryT Read the Constitution - it's interesting! http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] clones Some parents aren't worth a d%#@ - not that I think the State should be raising them. Some kids just get a raw deal all the way around. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 5:19 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: You mean you prefer the states brand of cloning to the parent's version? I've always found parents were much better at raising kids than the state... But you have a right to your opinion - LarryT Read the Constitution http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090712/72c85573/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Have you watched a recent high school graduate try to make change without a computer -- or when you add the odd cents after they've rung it up? -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of relng...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 22:10 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] clones I've always found parents were much better at raising kids than the state... And you would know that how? BTW, we are talking about educating them, not raising them. RLE ** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove0003) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090712/26 ce9fa1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. I believe that conveying myself in the course of a day on state roads is in pursuit of life, liberty and happiness. Fuck me, however - I must be fleeced... Reading your posts is beginning to turn my brain to tofu. What really bothers me is that your home-schooled children will be clones of you and your thinking and opinions. RLE ** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove0003) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090711/2108fcda/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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RLE wrote: What really bothers me is that your home-schooled children will be clones of you and your thinking and opinions. Its enough to add a bit of diversity to the kulture, eh? I bet that really makes you fear. Don't worry. Be happy. We are all clowns on this bus. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I always saw rusted out cars as a sign of neglect, but considering rust proofing has come along way one would expect these Japanese cars to fair better than 30 year old Benz's. The Japanese have taken lessons from us about rust proofing. David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry wrote: I see alot of older Honda's around here and its the same thing, rusty but still running. Thats not reliability in my opinion, thats cheap workmanship. A truly dependable car should not only stand the test of time but look good too. Guess thats why we all like our Benz's My Benz is plenty rusty, to the point where I expect the body to give out long before the engine does. I understand Mercedes's rust proofing improved some time in the late 80s or early 90s, but so did Honda's. David Brodbeck '83 300D Turbo ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
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I have to admit I would certainly love to get my hands on a Honda S2000 as a replacemnt for my Mustang Cobra that I sadly had to sell. The sound of a screaming engine at 8,000 rpms just boils my blood. Its too bad that a lot of the Honda, Toyotas and even the others like Kia are starting to look a lot like each other. Yep, I would say bland is the word here except for Nissan who has taken a real sporting image over the last few years. I still like the 280Z's of the 70's and the last few that were made in the 90's. Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see alot of older Honda's around here and its the same thing, rusty but still running. Thats not reliability in my opinion, thats cheap workmanship. A truly dependable car should not only stand the test of time but look good too. To be fair, I think that needs to be seen through the lens of the original pricing on Hondas. I am lukewarm on most Toyotas, but I have a great amount of respect for Honda products. They don't match my criteria for a complete quality automobile, but IMHO they deliver a great amount of bang for the buck and their styling manages to be contemporary without being stupid or overdone. Nissan has really turned itself around over the last five years or so as well. Mac ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Im assuming that was a joke. Harry wrote: I see alot of older Honda's around here and its the same thing, rusty but still running. Thats not reliability in my opinion, thats cheap workmanship. A truly dependable car should not only stand the test of time but look good too. Guess thats why we all like our Benz's OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same story from those I've talked to as well. The drive train keeps going, but the body/chassis is falling apart around it. On 9/27/05, Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering a couple of people I know who are long term owners of Honda and Toyotas even admitted that they weren't as good as they use to be. They still have decent engines and tranny's but the rest of the car is nothing more than crappy recycled plastic and metal. Buttons and knobs that fall off and even plastic trim that doesn't look like its suppose to be there. Their quality seems to be focused on their upscale Lexus's and Acuras cause both Honda's and Toyotas are going down the crapper David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
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ah yep it was a joke and here's the part where I say my VW has a bumper sticker that says my other car is a Mercedes but its in the shop Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Im assuming that was a joke. Harry wrote: I see alot of older Honda's around here and its the same thing, rusty but still running. Thats not reliability in my opinion, thats cheap workmanship. A truly dependable car should not only stand the test of time but look good too. Guess thats why we all like our Benz's OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same story from those I've talked to as well. The drive train keeps going, but the body/chassis is falling apart around it. On 9/27/05, Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering a couple of people I know who are long term owners of Honda and Toyotas even admitted that they weren't as good as they use to be. They still have decent engines and tranny's but the rest of the car is nothing more than crappy recycled plastic and metal. Buttons and knobs that fall off and even plastic trim that doesn't look like its suppose to be there. Their quality seems to be focused on their upscale Lexus's and Acuras cause both Honda's and Toyotas are going down the crapper David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
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Harry wrote: I always saw rusted out cars as a sign of neglect, but considering rust proofing has come along way one would expect these Japanese cars to fair better than 30 year old Benz's. The Japanese have taken lessons from us about rust proofing. In the Midwest, rust isn't a sign of neglect, it's an inevitability of life. Unless you take extreme measures to immediately grind out rust and and repaint as soon as bubbles start to appear, any car with a steel body will eventually rust out due to the road salt used in the winter.
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Ahhh The De Lorean. On 9/28/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry wrote: I always saw rusted out cars as a sign of neglect, but considering rust proofing has come along way one would expect these Japanese cars to fair better than 30 year old Benz's. The Japanese have taken lessons from us about rust proofing. In the Midwest, rust isn't a sign of neglect, it's an inevitability of life. Unless you take extreme measures to immediately grind out rust and and repaint as soon as bubbles start to appear, any car with a steel body will eventually rust out due to the road salt used in the winter. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil.
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yep, good ol John Z had a vision with that idea and proof the French can't build engines Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahhh The De Lorean. On 9/28/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry wrote: I always saw rusted out cars as a sign of neglect, but considering rust proofing has come along way one would expect these Japanese cars to fair better than 30 year old Benz's. The Japanese have taken lessons from us about rust proofing. In the Midwest, rust isn't a sign of neglect, it's an inevitability of life. Unless you take extreme measures to immediately grind out rust and and repaint as soon as bubbles start to appear, any car with a steel body will eventually rust out due to the road salt used in the winter. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
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Considering a couple of people I know who are long term owners of Honda and Toyotas even admitted that they weren't as good as they use to be. They still have decent engines and tranny's but the rest of the car is nothing more than crappy recycled plastic and metal. Buttons and knobs that fall off and even plastic trim that doesn't look like its suppose to be there. Their quality seems to be focused on their upscale Lexus's and Acuras cause both Honda's and Toyotas are going down the crapper David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gabriel S. wrote: i don't give honda or toyota very high marks...I've owned both...i think japanese cars were thought of as being good only because american cars (at the time) were so crappy. I've heard rumors that the quality of Hondas and Toyotas has slipped since they started manufacturing them in the U.S. I don't know if there's some truth to that, or if it's just propeganda from people who want to deride the American work ethic. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
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Same story from those I've talked to as well. The drive train keeps going, but the body/chassis is falling apart around it. On 9/27/05, Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering a couple of people I know who are long term owners of Honda and Toyotas even admitted that they weren't as good as they use to be. They still have decent engines and tranny's but the rest of the car is nothing more than crappy recycled plastic and metal. Buttons and knobs that fall off and even plastic trim that doesn't look like its suppose to be there. Their quality seems to be focused on their upscale Lexus's and Acuras cause both Honda's and Toyotas are going down the crapper David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
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Having worked for Toyota for 13 years I can say that I cannot recall any technical problems with US made cars. Not the Toyotas anyway. Some of the component suppliers left a bit to be desired, but the fit and finish was fine.My experience ended in 1995 so it may be different now but I know that Toyota is VERY pleased with their Canadian workforce as we've just won another plant over Alabam or some other southern state. Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD 83 300D
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Bill, Exactly what kind of problems have you had with synthetic oil? I've had nothing but positive experiences in my Dodge pickup that I converted at 120k, my 300TD at 230k and 240D at 208k. On a new to me car I'd do a change with conventional oil and run maybe 2,000 miles before doing the switch, then on the first change or two I'd probably only go 5,000 miles. After that I'd have no hesitation about my usual 6,000 mile changes (240D, highway driven, no analysis so thats a conservative change interval). -Curt '83 240D Hammie 245kmi Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:20:16 -0400 From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 4, Issue 207 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii -- No interest in deriding the American work ethic, but when I took my company Corolla [late 90's model] in for @80K service and gave the writer my list of issues his first comment was, An American made model I see. Turned out he was right. At the risk of starting another issue discussion that will have strongly held beliefs on each side [an religious issue it would seem] With the 'pretty clean' engine on the way, is there anything that I should have them do to it prior to set up? I.e. - should they run any cleaner through it? Also, I and others have had problems using Mobile 1 or other synthetics. Some folks swear by them, however. My suspicion is that to use Mobil 1 in an old and dirty engine, because it seems to have a different [better?] cleaning effect it ends up causing clogs in various places = engine failure. If the engine is good and clean would Mobil 1 be a good bet - or one of the others? One mechanic I spoke to [who had also had problems with Mobil 1] suggested a dose of Slick 50 every oil change. My USAF diesel mechanic son suggested Rotella [?] oil be used. Also, should I need to add oil between changes? Thanks BillR 1981 300SD the EM265k/185k engine - Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Sep 27 15:24:58 2005 Received: from fed1rmmtao01.cox.net ([68.230.241.38]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EKHKE-Po-E0 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:24:58 + Received: from familycomp ([68.106.48.86]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:24:49 -0400 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:24:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow! X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:24:58 - Curt mentioned: Lately in an effort to save fuel I've been cruising at around 65mph I also drive nearly 80 miles on my commute. Setting the cruise on 78 gets me two things: 1) frequently flipped off, and 2) 24MPG. Remembering I have a 300D, does that seem correct? At what speed have yous guys noted 300Ds getting their optimum MPGs? Does 24MPG at 78-80 MPH seem right? (FWIW...I usually dislike fuel economy threads but my curiosity is getting the best of me) Bob Rentfro '77 300D 140K Litchfield Park, AZ
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I think people forget that the success of Japanese manufacturing is due to W. Edwards Deming influence in making the Japanese statistically account for any problem with things they make and strive towards perfection. One would think that any issues with american built toyota would be flagged and fixed immediately. Ignoring it on purpose is of course possible. In fact a friend of mine who had purchased a new Toyota minivan and had is wife put 50K miles on it in one year actually had the dealer call him up and they swapped the transmission out because he was one of the folks in north america who put on the highest milage in a year on a new type of transmission and they were eager to understand how it had performed. http://www.deming.org/theman/articles/articles_50influenced01.html On 27-Sep-05, at 8:11 AM, Jeff Zedic wrote: Having worked for Toyota for 13 years I can say that I cannot recall any technical problems with US made cars. Not the Toyotas anyway. Some of the component suppliers left a bit to be desired, but the fit and finish was fine.My experience ended in 1995 so it may be different now but I know that Toyota is VERY pleased with their Canadian workforce as we've just won another plant over Alabam or some other southern state. Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD 83 300D ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net John 1983 300TDt 358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1992 300TDt 148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
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My honda civic and motorcycle (CR250) were both pieces of shit...seems like
honda metals are very brittle...the bottom casing of my motorcycle crumpled
while tightning the oil screw...the rod that holds the engine hood on my
civic also crumples...when this happens it breaks in half and the part
sticking up ends up denting the hood from the inside outi've seen many
civics with the same dent in the same spot. My air conditioning broke about
a week after my warranty was over and transmission went out at around 175K
(my benz has 230K+ and the tranny still goes). The manifold/catalic
converter cracked twice and my friends (girl) engine just gave completely.
My girlfriend has a toyota truck ('03) and the AC also went out right after
warranty...my friend also has an '03 tacoma and the interior is shit and the
back shocks have had to have been replaced twice.
On 9/26/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gabriel S. wrote:
i don't give honda or toyota very high marks...I've owned both...i think
japanese cars were thought of as being good only because american cars
(at
the time) were so crappy.
I've heard rumors that the quality of Hondas and Toyotas has slipped
since they started manufacturing them in the U.S. I don't know if
there's some truth to that, or if it's just propeganda from people who
want to deride the American work ethic.
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The Civic is an economy car, cost what like $15k new? In todays dollars how
much would your Benz be? 175k on an economy car is pretty dammed good.
Consider also how much the Civic weighs. To get weight down while still adding
stuff like airbags the metalurgy has to be stretched somewhere.
-Curt
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My honda civic and motorcycle (CR250) were both pieces of shit...seems
like
honda metals are very brittle...the bottom casing of my motorcycle
crumpled
while tightning the oil screw...the rod that holds the engine hood on
my
civic also crumples...when this happens it breaks in half and the part
sticking up ends up denting the hood from the inside outi've seen
many
civics with the same dent in the same spot. My air conditioning broke
about
a week after my warranty was over and transmission went out at around
175K
(my benz has 230K+ and the tranny still goes). The manifold/catalic
converter cracked twice and my friends (girl) engine just gave
completely.
My girlfriend has a toyota truck ('03) and the AC also went out right
after
warranty...my friend also has an '03 tacoma and the interior is shit
and the
back shocks have had to have been replaced twice.
-
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Lately on cold mornings my 300D is exhibiting a slight vibration when
turning the steering wheel, independent of road speed. It feels
almost like the boost is coming and going at a constant rate of five
or ten Hz. If this were an engine with separate accessory drive
belts, I'd immediately suspect a loose or slipping power steering
belt, but this is a 603 (with the one serpentine belt). The PS fluid
level is right and the fluid itself looks and smells normal, although
I don't know when it was last changed, if ever. Any other
suggestions? Is my PS pump dying?
Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
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Went to to the non-existent 1st NW Biodiesel car show this morning in PDX. DORKS!!! Anyway, driving there and back I kept seeing lots of familiar looking dark skinned cars. Maybe I needed better glasses, but they sure did look Teutonic from where I sat in Gump. Lots of Korean cars, very few Benz. I think the dark colors confuse the eye. Having looked at the current line up of Benz at the dealer, I vote for there being minimal difference in fit and finish or value and longevity for either marque. On Saturday, September 24, 2005, at 09:53 PM, LT Don wrote: Is it just my imagination, or does the new Kia Amanti look a whole lot like an E-Class from the front? Wonder if that ten year warranty is worth the paper it is printed on? Remember, we all made fun of Toyotas and Hondas as junk when they were first imported into the US. Now they are setting the standard for reliability. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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I don't know. If there was to be a head-on crash test between a new full size Kia and my 240D, and I had to be in one of them when the cars hit, I just might swallow my pride and jump into the air-bag equipped Kia. On 9/25/05, Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reliability aside, Honda's and Toyotas may still be the benchmark but speaking for owners I know I'm told the only good thing with them now is the drivetrains. Hyundai's and Kia's might be decent cars but not according to their crash tests. Makes me wonder why they have such long warranties. Just opinion here, I still don't think either the Hyundai nor the Kia is in the class of VW, especially the Passat. Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it just my imagination, or does the new Kia Amanti look a whole lot like an E-Class from the front? Not your imagination by far. Same reason the old Big Lexuses looked like S Class. Kia is now run by Hyundai and are about where Hyundai was five years ago or so. -- 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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Yes - your head wouldn't hit the wheel or windshield, but everything below your neck would be crushed. You'd look better in the coffin though -- -- On 9/25/05, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know. If there was to be a head-on crash test between a new full size Kia and my 240D, and I had to be in one of them when the cars hit, I just might swallow my pride and jump into the air-bag equipped Kia. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
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Nonexistent? Do tell! I didn't even know there was going to be one. On 9/25/05, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Went to to the non-existent 1st NW Biodiesel car show this morning in PDX. DORKS!!! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D
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i don't give honda or toyota very high marks...I've owned both...i think japanese cars were thought of as being good only because american cars (at the time) were so crappy. On 9/24/05, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it just my imagination, or does the new Kia Amanti look a whole lot like an E-Class from the front? Wonder if that ten year warranty is worth the paper it is printed on? Remember, we all made fun of Toyotas and Hondas as junk when they were first imported into the US. Now they are setting the standard for reliability. -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
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my honda's transmission broke down at 175K On 9/25/05, George Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a new Honda commercial Starring Danica Patrick that just cracked me up the first 2 times I saw it. ___ GG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 6:37 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] clones? Reliability aside, Honda's and Toyotas may still be the benchmark but speaking for owners I know I'm told the only good thing with them now is the drivetrains. Hyundai's and Kia's might be decent cars but not according to their crash tests. Makes me wonder why they have such long warranties. Just opinion here, I still don't think either the Hyundai nor the Kia is in the class of VW, especially the Passat. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
[MBZ] clones?
Is it just my imagination, or does the new Kia Amanti look a whole lot like an E-Class from the front? Wonder if that ten year warranty is worth the paper it is printed on? Remember, we all made fun of Toyotas and Hondas as junk when they were first imported into the US. Now they are setting the standard for reliability. -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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For what it's worth (probably not much), I think I just read that the Amanti placed highest in the most recent J.D. Power customer satisfaction survey. The Koreans are catching up to the Japanese fast on quality, and beating them on price. On 9/24/05, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it just my imagination, or does the new Kia Amanti look a whole lot like an E-Class from the front? Wonder if that ten year warranty is worth the paper it is printed on? Remember, we all made fun of Toyotas and Hondas as junk when they were first imported into the US. Now they are setting the standard for reliability.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it just my imagination, or does the new Kia Amanti look a whole lot like an E-Class from the front? Not your imagination by far. Same reason the old Big Lexuses looked like S Class. Kia is now run by Hyundai and are about where Hyundai was five years ago or so.
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Reliability aside, Honda's and Toyotas may still be the benchmark but speaking for owners I know I'm told the only good thing with them now is the drivetrains. Hyundai's and Kia's might be decent cars but not according to their crash tests. Makes me wonder why they have such long warranties. Just opinion here, I still don't think either the Hyundai nor the Kia is in the class of VW, especially the Passat. Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it just my imagination, or does the new Kia Amanti look a whole lot like an E-Class from the front? Not your imagination by far. Same reason the old Big Lexuses looked like S Class. Kia is now run by Hyundai and are about where Hyundai was five years ago or so. -- 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
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There's a new Honda commercial Starring Danica Patrick that just cracked me up the first 2 times I saw it. ___ GG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 6:37 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] clones? Reliability aside, Honda's and Toyotas may still be the benchmark but speaking for owners I know I'm told the only good thing with them now is the drivetrains. Hyundai's and Kia's might be decent cars but not according to their crash tests. Makes me wonder why they have such long warranties. Just opinion here, I still don't think either the Hyundai nor the Kia is in the class of VW, especially the Passat.
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It was the J.D. Power and Associates 2005 Automotive Performance, Execution and Layout (APEAL) StudySM released today. The study, now in its 10th year, measures owners’ delight with the design, content, layout and performance of their new vehicles. http://www.jdpa.com/presspass/pressrelease.asp?ID=2005174 Not quite the same as the other survey were they look at owner's satisfaction and reliability over a certain period of ownership. I think Consumer Reports looked at one of the Kia models and said looked great but under the covers things like the suspension sucked. On 24-Sep-05, at 10:40 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: For what it's worth (probably not much), I think I just read that the Amanti placed highest in the most recent J.D. Power customer satisfaction survey. The Koreans are catching up to the Japanese fast on quality, and beating them on price. -- === John M. McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-800-477-2659 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===
[MBZ] Clones? Noooo
Actually, Porsche doesn't share to many parts with VW or Audi with the exception of the Cayenne which is a redesigned Touareg.. The Cayenne and the Touareg share the doors and platform and that's all. RLE
