Re: [MBZ] occupying the deadly 3rd row.
On 22/08/2012 6:38 PM, Mountain Man wrote: OK Don wrote: What part of Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness do you not understand? Very nice. Very patriotic. What part of robbery do we not grasp? Don't count me saying robbery is the collective contribution for roads, etc as has been hot politics lately. However, whatever happened, the prospect of another job for this old guy with skills that have vanished is nil to none. I will work - no problem. Gimme the opportunity to pursue life, liberty, happiness again. But also count me ready to accept 'die already' is just fine - something I count as a civic responsibility within the moniker Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. Gotta go. mao ___ You might want to talk to someone about depression issues? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] occupying the deadly 3rd row.
Randy wrote: You might want to talk to someone about depression issues? Is this banned? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] occupying the deadly 3rd row.
Randy, That is exactly it. What is the difference between a Civic and a MBZ wagon? I would almost prefer the wagon in a rear end collision. With the wagon maybe someone will be in the 3rd row if you have kids. With the Civic the rear will be used a lot more placing kids at higher risk more often. Heck, maybe the rear facing seat is safer than a front facing 3rd row. Just maybe, the rearmost passengers will see the accident coming and either move or scream real loud so the driver can move out of harms way. I also own a one ton Ford conversion van. I will sit in the rear of that and take a collision over almost any modern car. The rear sits high and the bumper and frame in the van are very strong. Gonna take one hell of a hit to get to the passengers with anything but a semi or lifted 4x4. Mike On Aug 21, 2012 11:28 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: The problem with that statement is that one can be as careful as possible and get run into by someone who is paying little or no attention or who is but takes big chances on the road/ I suppose wagons with 3rd row seats are more dangerous for passengers in those seats but the ones that make me nervous are the little hatchbacks like Honda Civic etc. My younger son's girlfriend drives a nice little red Civic 2 door hatchback. Cute little car and mostly she is alone but I look at the back seat and think I don't want to be in there if it gets hit from behind, especially if the vehicle that hits it is a truck. Randy On 21/08/2012 7:55 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Just the typical US protect everyone from themselves attitude. We all should drive huge and heavy vehicles so when we are unlucky or just stupid we can live on. Never mind actually knowing how to drive and paying attention to what is in front of you. Mike On Aug 20, 2012 7:39 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: So you are saying that MB (and Volvo) engineered a death trap? Well I am pretty sure when MB decided to build the S123 and thought it would be handy to put a couple of extra seats in the back, that they envisaged the possibility that the car could be involved in a rear end collision. They may even have done a few crash tests to determine what would happen to the rear compartment in the event of a crash. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5mIYDod-lkNR=1http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=K5mIYDod-lkNR=1 http://**www.youtube.com/watch?v=**K5mIYDod-lkNR=1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5mIYDod-lkNR=1 Also the fuel tank is designed to drop down but not hit the road. The question is what is safer, having kids sit on laps without seat belts or sit in the third row seat? In regards to two trucks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrtOMLHx7cchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=LrtOMLHx7cc http://www.**youtube.com/watch?v=**LrtOMLHx7cchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrtOMLHx7cc Hendrik who owns a death trap On 20/08/12 13:04, relng...@aol.com wrote: So then, what would happen to them in case of a rear end collision is of no concern. Huh? Of course what happens to them in a rear-end collision is of concern. But why limit the discussion to only that one kind? What would happen to them in a T-bone accident? I suspect they would be better off in the third seat. Or a head-on? I'm sure they would be safer in the rear-facing seat. What about Rollover? Rear-quarter? Front quarter? Space shuttle pieces landing on top? Underwater? So I guess I need to decide which type of collision I am going to encounter and then choose the appropriate vehicle. In a rear end collision in that vehicle the rear hatch is likely to be crushed forward into the very area occupied by those 3rd seat occupants and they would be trapped until the crushed metal was removed. Or how they would escape in case of fire? See previous answe.r My suburban carries a large quantity of gasoline. My wagon carries diesel. Therefore the danger from fire is _less_ in the car with the rear-facing seats. Why bring up your truck? Was this a comparison with it? Not by me. So what fire are you referring to? Where? Caused by what? Burning what? And why is the rear hatch not opening? Because the rear of the car will be crushed. And isn't the fuel tank aft of the axle under that seat? What is the scenario where you feel a rear-facing 3rd seat is a greater danger than a forward facing 3rd seat with regard to a fire? Previously answered. My argument is that the 3rd row's hazards outweigh any convenience and it wouldn't make any difference which way it faced. About ten years ago near here on I-405 one of those longbody Econoline passenger vans with four rows was caught in a sandwich crash between two semis and caught fire. Those in the rear were incinerated, alive. RLE RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] occupying the deadly 3rd row.
Simply buy two Mercedes of the same body style, weld the two front ends together, lengthen the driveshaft, and convert the empty engine compartment to a trunk. That would give you three, or even four, rows of seats and the kids would have a fine time twisting the inoperative steering wheel while pretending to drive. A side benefit would be that a careless driver who sees a car seemingly driving backwards down the road might be more careful. Gerrywho might do that with his '83 300D and 240D for driving his great-grandchildren around when they arrive. Comment? [:o) From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com Randy, That is exactly it. What is the difference between a Civic and a MBZ wagon? I would almost prefer the wagon in a rear end collision. With the wagon maybe someone will be in the 3rd row if you have kids. With the Civic the rear will be used a lot more placing kids at higher risk more often. Heck, maybe the rear facing seat is safer than a front facing 3rd row. Just maybe, the rearmost passengers will see the accident coming and either move or scream real loud so the driver can move out of harms way. I also own a one ton Ford conversion van. I will sit in the rear of that and take a collision over almost any modern car. The rear sits high and the bumper and frame in the van are very strong. Gonna take one hell of a hit to get to the passengers with anything but a semi or lifted 4x4. Mike On Aug 21, 2012 11:28 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: The problem with that statement is that one can be as careful as possible and get run into by someone who is paying little or no attention or who is but takes big chances on the road/ I suppose wagons with 3rd row seats are more dangerous for passengers in those seats but the ones that make me nervous are the little hatchbacks like Honda Civic etc. My younger son's girlfriend drives a nice little red Civic 2 door hatchback. Cute little car and mostly she is alone but I look at the back seat and think I don't want to be in there if it gets hit from behind, especially if the vehicle that hits it is a truck. Randy On 21/08/2012 7:55 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Just the typical US protect everyone from themselves attitude. We all should drive huge and heavy vehicles so when we are unlucky or just stupid we can live on. Never mind actually knowing how to drive and paying attention to what is in front of you. Mike On Aug 20, 2012 7:39 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: So you are saying that MB (and Volvo) engineered a death trap? Well I am pretty sure when MB decided to build the S123 and thought it would be handy to put a couple of extra seats in the back, that they envisaged the possibility that the car could be involved in a rear end collision. They may even have done a few crash tests to determine what would happen to the rear compartment in the event of a crash. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5mIYDod-lkNR=1http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=K5mIYDod-lkNR=1 http://**www.youtube.com/watch?v=**K5mIYDod-lkNR=1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5mIYDod-lkNR=1 Also the fuel tank is designed to drop down but not hit the road. The question is what is safer, having kids sit on laps without seat belts or sit in the third row seat? In regards to two trucks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrtOMLHx7cchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=LrtOMLHx7cc http://www.**youtube.com/watch?v=**LrtOMLHx7cchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrtOMLHx7cc Hendrik who owns a death trap On 20/08/12 13:04, relng...@aol.com wrote: So then, what would happen to them in case of a rear end collision is of no concern. Huh? Of course what happens to them in a rear-end collision is of concern. But why limit the discussion to only that one kind? What would happen to them in a T-bone accident? I suspect they would be better off in the third seat. Or a head-on? I'm sure they would be safer in the rear-facing seat. What about Rollover? Rear-quarter? Front quarter? Space shuttle pieces landing on top? Underwater? So I guess I need to decide which type of collision I am going to encounter and then choose the appropriate vehicle. In a rear end collision in that vehicle the rear hatch is likely to be crushed forward into the very area occupied by those 3rd seat occupants and they would be trapped until the crushed metal was removed. Or how they would escape in case of fire? See previous answe.r My suburban carries a large quantity of gasoline. My wagon carries diesel. Therefore the danger from fire is _less_ in the car with the rear-facing seats. Why bring up your truck? Was this a comparison with it? Not by me. So what fire are you referring to? Where? Caused by what? Burning what? And why is the rear hatch not opening? Because the rear of the car will be crushed. And isn't the fuel tank aft of the axle under that seat? What is the scenario where you feel a rear-facing 3rd seat is a greater danger
Re: [MBZ] occupying the deadly 3rd row.
On 22/08/2012 8:47 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: Simply buy two Mercedes of the same body style, weld the two front ends together, lengthen the driveshaft, and convert the empty engine compartment to a trunk. That would give you three, or even four, rows of seats and the kids would have a fine time twisting the inoperative steering wheel while pretending to drive. A side benefit would be that a careless driver who sees a car seemingly driving backwards down the road might be more careful. Gerrywho might do that with his '83 300D and 240D for driving his great-grandchildren around when they arrive. Comment? [:o) There was a car like that at local car shows a few years ago. I believe the one front was a Ford Contour and the other was a Mercury Mystique (sp?). Since it had two front wheel drive set ups it could be driven in either direction. It was built from two wrecked cars by a local trade school as a project to train the students. Don't know what happened to it and have not seen it for a bit so maybe it went to the junkyard in due course. I read in the paper this morning that some fellows in eastern Ontario got themselves in trouble this past weekend. They converted a picnic table into a motorized vehicle and drove it around town. The big problem was that they were drinking while driving it I guess as the article in the paper said one of them was charged with having open liquor in a public place. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 21/08/2012 8:05 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Mike wrote: Just the typical US protect everyone from themselves attitude. We all should drive huge and heavy vehicles so when we are unlucky or just stupid we can live on. And... apply the same attitude to the boomers (me) coming to full age fruition and looming health care costs. Yep - just realize ya gonna die, and die already. What is with the attitude that life proceeds at whatever cost? Pure idiocy! Try to make sense of that and the death panel label gets dragged out. mao ___ Do bear in mind that you might not be killed outright and might live on to suffer with the injuries sustained in the accident. I personally prefer to remain as good as I already am which is far from perfect. Age is catching up with me and I have to live with that. I would rather not add any more problems if I can help it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Aug 22, 2012 9:47 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: .A side benefit would be that a careless driver who sees a car seemingly driving backwards down the road might be more careful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prv0Sam_828feature=youtube_gdata_player Best, Tim also was driving distracted wife as he passed the same truck, but did not have the presence (absence?) of mind to try it :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or panic and swerve off. Wilton - Original Message - From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] occupying the deadly 3rd row. On Aug 22, 2012 9:47 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: .A side benefit would be that a careless driver who sees a car seemingly driving backwards down the road might be more careful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prv0Sam_828feature=youtube_gdata_player Best, Tim also was driving distracted wife as he passed the same truck, but did not have the presence (absence?) of mind to try it :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What part of Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness do you not understand? On Tuesday, August 21, 2012, Mountain Man wrote: Mike wrote: Just the typical US protect everyone from themselves attitude. We all should drive huge and heavy vehicles so when we are unlucky or just stupid we can live on. And... apply the same attitude to the boomers (me) coming to full age fruition and looming health care costs. Yep - just realize ya gonna die, and die already. What is with the attitude that life proceeds at whatever cost? Pure idiocy! Try to make sense of that and the death panel label gets dragged out. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK Don wrote: What part of Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness do you not understand? Very nice. Very patriotic. What part of robbery do we not grasp? Don't count me saying robbery is the collective contribution for roads, etc as has been hot politics lately. However, whatever happened, the prospect of another job for this old guy with skills that have vanished is nil to none. I will work - no problem. Gimme the opportunity to pursue life, liberty, happiness again. But also count me ready to accept 'die already' is just fine - something I count as a civic responsibility within the moniker Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. Gotta go. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gerry wrote: ...weld the two front ends together, lengthen the driveshaft, and convert the empty engine compartment to a trunk. I remember watching an online video - probably back in the days when you had to download video - that looong ago. It is a pastoral french narrow road (RH drive), the guy and wife are driving peacefully, wife grabs steering wheel part from back seat footwell, as driver in left lane approaches wife with steering wheel part motions to swerve left and laughs as other car swerves to miss, landing in the road ditch. Does anyone else remember this video? Someone give a link for us all... if someone finds it. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It was a british commercial of some sort - this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A3-zHiKgRg Dan On Aug 22, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Gerry wrote: ...weld the two front ends together, lengthen the driveshaft, and convert the empty engine compartment to a trunk. I remember watching an online video - probably back in the days when you had to download video - that looong ago. It is a pastoral french narrow road (RH drive), the guy and wife are driving peacefully, wife grabs steering wheel part from back seat footwell, as driver in left lane approaches wife with steering wheel part motions to swerve left and laughs as other car swerves to miss, landing in the road ditch. Does anyone else remember this video? Someone give a link for us all... if someone finds it. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dan wrote: It was a british commercial of some sort - this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A3-zHiKgRg That's it. Here's a much better copy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcT1-woMFhs mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Just the typical US protect everyone from themselves attitude. We all should drive huge and heavy vehicles so when we are unlucky or just stupid we can live on. Never mind actually knowing how to drive and paying attention to what is in front of you. Mike On Aug 20, 2012 7:39 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: So you are saying that MB (and Volvo) engineered a death trap? Well I am pretty sure when MB decided to build the S123 and thought it would be handy to put a couple of extra seats in the back, that they envisaged the possibility that the car could be involved in a rear end collision. They may even have done a few crash tests to determine what would happen to the rear compartment in the event of a crash. http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=K5mIYDod-lkNR=1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5mIYDod-lkNR=1 Also the fuel tank is designed to drop down but not hit the road. The question is what is safer, having kids sit on laps without seat belts or sit in the third row seat? In regards to two trucks http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=LrtOMLHx7cchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrtOMLHx7cc Hendrik who owns a death trap On 20/08/12 13:04, relng...@aol.com wrote: So then, what would happen to them in case of a rear end collision is of no concern. Huh? Of course what happens to them in a rear-end collision is of concern. But why limit the discussion to only that one kind? What would happen to them in a T-bone accident? I suspect they would be better off in the third seat. Or a head-on? I'm sure they would be safer in the rear-facing seat. What about Rollover? Rear-quarter? Front quarter? Space shuttle pieces landing on top? Underwater? So I guess I need to decide which type of collision I am going to encounter and then choose the appropriate vehicle. In a rear end collision in that vehicle the rear hatch is likely to be crushed forward into the very area occupied by those 3rd seat occupants and they would be trapped until the crushed metal was removed. Or how they would escape in case of fire? See previous answe.r My suburban carries a large quantity of gasoline. My wagon carries diesel. Therefore the danger from fire is _less_ in the car with the rear-facing seats. Why bring up your truck? Was this a comparison with it? Not by me. So what fire are you referring to? Where? Caused by what? Burning what? And why is the rear hatch not opening? Because the rear of the car will be crushed. And isn't the fuel tank aft of the axle under that seat? What is the scenario where you feel a rear-facing 3rd seat is a greater danger than a forward facing 3rd seat with regard to a fire? Previously answered. My argument is that the 3rd row's hazards outweigh any convenience and it wouldn't make any difference which way it faced. About ten years ago near here on I-405 one of those longbody Econoline passenger vans with four rows was caught in a sandwich crash between two semis and caught fire. Those in the rear were incinerated, alive. RLE RLE __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] occupying the deadly 3rd row.
The problem with that statement is that one can be as careful as possible and get run into by someone who is paying little or no attention or who is but takes big chances on the road/ I suppose wagons with 3rd row seats are more dangerous for passengers in those seats but the ones that make me nervous are the little hatchbacks like Honda Civic etc. My younger son's girlfriend drives a nice little red Civic 2 door hatchback. Cute little car and mostly she is alone but I look at the back seat and think I don't want to be in there if it gets hit from behind, especially if the vehicle that hits it is a truck. Randy On 21/08/2012 7:55 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Just the typical US protect everyone from themselves attitude. We all should drive huge and heavy vehicles so when we are unlucky or just stupid we can live on. Never mind actually knowing how to drive and paying attention to what is in front of you. Mike On Aug 20, 2012 7:39 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: So you are saying that MB (and Volvo) engineered a death trap? Well I am pretty sure when MB decided to build the S123 and thought it would be handy to put a couple of extra seats in the back, that they envisaged the possibility that the car could be involved in a rear end collision. They may even have done a few crash tests to determine what would happen to the rear compartment in the event of a crash. http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=K5mIYDod-lkNR=1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5mIYDod-lkNR=1 Also the fuel tank is designed to drop down but not hit the road. The question is what is safer, having kids sit on laps without seat belts or sit in the third row seat? In regards to two trucks http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=LrtOMLHx7cchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrtOMLHx7cc Hendrik who owns a death trap On 20/08/12 13:04, relng...@aol.com wrote: So then, what would happen to them in case of a rear end collision is of no concern. Huh? Of course what happens to them in a rear-end collision is of concern. But why limit the discussion to only that one kind? What would happen to them in a T-bone accident? I suspect they would be better off in the third seat. Or a head-on? I'm sure they would be safer in the rear-facing seat. What about Rollover? Rear-quarter? Front quarter? Space shuttle pieces landing on top? Underwater? So I guess I need to decide which type of collision I am going to encounter and then choose the appropriate vehicle. In a rear end collision in that vehicle the rear hatch is likely to be crushed forward into the very area occupied by those 3rd seat occupants and they would be trapped until the crushed metal was removed. Or how they would escape in case of fire? See previous answe.r My suburban carries a large quantity of gasoline. My wagon carries diesel. Therefore the danger from fire is _less_ in the car with the rear-facing seats. Why bring up your truck? Was this a comparison with it? Not by me. So what fire are you referring to? Where? Caused by what? Burning what? And why is the rear hatch not opening? Because the rear of the car will be crushed. And isn't the fuel tank aft of the axle under that seat? What is the scenario where you feel a rear-facing 3rd seat is a greater danger than a forward facing 3rd seat with regard to a fire? Previously answered. My argument is that the 3rd row's hazards outweigh any convenience and it wouldn't make any difference which way it faced. About ten years ago near here on I-405 one of those longbody Econoline passenger vans with four rows was caught in a sandwich crash between two semis and caught fire. Those in the rear were incinerated, alive. RLE RLE __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mike wrote: Just the typical US protect everyone from themselves attitude. We all should drive huge and heavy vehicles so when we are unlucky or just stupid we can live on. And... apply the same attitude to the boomers (me) coming to full age fruition and looming health care costs. Yep - just realize ya gonna die, and die already. What is with the attitude that life proceeds at whatever cost? Pure idiocy! Try to make sense of that and the death panel label gets dragged out. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] occupying the deadly 3rd row.
So you are saying that MB (and Volvo) engineered a death trap? Well I am pretty sure when MB decided to build the S123 and thought it would be handy to put a couple of extra seats in the back, that they envisaged the possibility that the car could be involved in a rear end collision. They may even have done a few crash tests to determine what would happen to the rear compartment in the event of a crash. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5mIYDod-lkNR=1 Also the fuel tank is designed to drop down but not hit the road. The question is what is safer, having kids sit on laps without seat belts or sit in the third row seat? In regards to two trucks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrtOMLHx7cc Hendrik who owns a death trap On 20/08/12 13:04, relng...@aol.com wrote: So then, what would happen to them in case of a rear end collision is of no concern. Huh? Of course what happens to them in a rear-end collision is of concern. But why limit the discussion to only that one kind? What would happen to them in a T-bone accident? I suspect they would be better off in the third seat. Or a head-on? I'm sure they would be safer in the rear-facing seat. What about Rollover? Rear-quarter? Front quarter? Space shuttle pieces landing on top? Underwater? So I guess I need to decide which type of collision I am going to encounter and then choose the appropriate vehicle. In a rear end collision in that vehicle the rear hatch is likely to be crushed forward into the very area occupied by those 3rd seat occupants and they would be trapped until the crushed metal was removed. Or how they would escape in case of fire? See previous answe.r My suburban carries a large quantity of gasoline. My wagon carries diesel. Therefore the danger from fire is _less_ in the car with the rear-facing seats. Why bring up your truck? Was this a comparison with it? Not by me. So what fire are you referring to? Where? Caused by what? Burning what? And why is the rear hatch not opening? Because the rear of the car will be crushed. And isn't the fuel tank aft of the axle under that seat? What is the scenario where you feel a rear-facing 3rd seat is a greater danger than a forward facing 3rd seat with regard to a fire? Previously answered. My argument is that the 3rd row's hazards outweigh any convenience and it wouldn't make any difference which way it faced. About ten years ago near here on I-405 one of those longbody Econoline passenger vans with four rows was caught in a sandwich crash between two semis and caught fire. Those in the rear were incinerated, alive. RLE RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
