subject:"\[MBZ\] question for scooter guy \(or anyone else\)"

OK; after all, not other way to turn, is there?  One should never say 
never; that's a mighty long time.  Same for always.   ;)  Well, anyway, 
in NC, left turn on red is generally not allowed, and I don't plan to test 
it.  Ya'll are welcome come and try it if ya want; we can put your money to 
good use.  Just don't hurt somebody while trying it.  ;)


Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)



i'd bet you are wrong that lefts on red are never allowed.  you just think
they are not allowed as the circumstances are particular and you may never
have encountered them

imagine you are traveling southbound on a southbound one way street.  you
come to a red light at the intersection of an eastbound one way street.
now your left on red is equivalent to a right on red and it is therefore
likely permitted.  i know it is this way in the state of georgia and i'd
guess in north carolina as well


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:44 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


I'm very familiar with the part of NC traffic law that allows right turn
on red after full stop and sure way is clear - left on red NOT allowed.
 When I lived in California (last was 35 years ago), I followed CA 
traffic

laws; during 60+ years of driving in NC, I've tried to follow NC traffic
laws. ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: ernest breakfield
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 9:47 PM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


 if the law in most places is like what i'm familiar with in 
California,

the law doesn't say anything about right or left.
what it says here is that you can make a turn on a red light after a
full and complete stop if you can start from a lane nearest the curb and
end in the lane nearest the (same) curb.

to the original posters question; you'll have to check the regs 
where
you are to determine what qualifies as requiring documentation; it 
varies

greatly with locale.
as a bicyclist and motorcyclist, i don't see any use for a scooter
beyond the possibility of extremely short trips around town. my 
experience

around them is that they can't really be ridden like a bicycle, and i
don't consider them as safe as either a motorcycle or a bicycle since 
they
have enough power to get you into trouble, but the small/inexpensive 
ones

don't have the braking or handling to get you out of it.

i'd encourage you to keep riding the bicycle if you can (it's better
for you!).
if you need to extend your range somewhat, consider a small
motorcycle... but be sure you do the math if you're thinking of it as a
cost saving device; getting dressed to ride safely is going to cost more
than some people here will spend on a car, and the cost of keeping good
tires on a motorcycle might surprise some people.


cheers!
e


On 05/Oct/13 13:47, Mitch Haley wrote:


Most places you can turn left on red onto a one way street.

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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

'Just hurriedly went through NCDMV Driver's Handbook looking especially in 
Traffic Signals area.  Following is quoted:  A steady red circular signal 
means STOP. Unless there is a sign indicating
NO TURN ON RED, a right turn can be made after coming to a complete stop. 
All vehicles turning right shall yield the right of way to other traffic and 
pedestrians using the intersection and to pedestrians in reasonably close 
proximity to the intersection and who are starting to cross in front of the
traffic that is required to stop at the red light. Failure to yield to a 
pedestrian under these circumstances will result in a penalty of not more 
than $500 and not less than $100.


'Found nothing allowing left turn on any type of red light signal - STOP 
sign, yes, but red ball, solid red arrow, flashing red arrow - no.


Yeah, I know, this may not be 100% absolutely all inclusive, but that's 
what's in Driver Handbook.


Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


OK; after all, not other way to turn, is there?  One should never say 
never; that's a mighty long time.  Same for always.   ;)  Well, 
anyway, in NC, left turn on red is generally not allowed, and I don't plan 
to test it.  Ya'll are welcome come and try it if ya want; we can put your 
money to good use.  Just don't hurt somebody while trying it.  ;)


Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


i'd bet you are wrong that lefts on red are never allowed.  you just 
think
they are not allowed as the circumstances are particular and you may 
never

have encountered them

imagine you are traveling southbound on a southbound one way street.  you
come to a red light at the intersection of an eastbound one way street.
now your left on red is equivalent to a right on red and it is therefore
likely permitted.  i know it is this way in the state of georgia and i'd
guess in north carolina as well


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:44 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


I'm very familiar with the part of NC traffic law that allows right turn
on red after full stop and sure way is clear - left on red NOT allowed.
 When I lived in California (last was 35 years ago), I followed CA 
traffic

laws; during 60+ years of driving in NC, I've tried to follow NC traffic
laws. ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: ernest breakfield
ernestb@BackYardEngineering.**ORG

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 9:47 PM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


 if the law in most places is like what i'm familiar with in 
California,

the law doesn't say anything about right or left.
what it says here is that you can make a turn on a red light after 
a
full and complete stop if you can start from a lane nearest the curb 
and

end in the lane nearest the (same) curb.

to the original posters question; you'll have to check the regs 
where
you are to determine what qualifies as requiring documentation; it 
varies

greatly with locale.
as a bicyclist and motorcyclist, i don't see any use for a scooter
beyond the possibility of extremely short trips around town. my 
experience

around them is that they can't really be ridden like a bicycle, and i
don't consider them as safe as either a motorcycle or a bicycle since 
they
have enough power to get you into trouble, but the small/inexpensive 
ones

don't have the braking or handling to get you out of it.

i'd encourage you to keep riding the bicycle if you can (it's 
better

for you!).
if you need to extend your range somewhat, consider a small
motorcycle... but be sure you do the math if you're thinking of it as a
cost saving device; getting dressed to ride safely is going to cost 
more

than some people here will spend on a car, and the cost of keeping good
tires on a motorcycle might surprise some people.


cheers!
e


On 05/Oct/13 13:47, Mitch Haley wrote:


Most places you can turn left on red onto a one way street.

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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-06 Thread Mitch Haley


WILTON wrote:

'Found nothing allowing left turn on any type of red light signal - STOP 
sign, yes, but red ball, solid red arrow, flashing red arrow - no.


You're right, I can't find anything permitting left on red in NC under any 
circumstances.


Here's the situation in Michigan, which I think makes more sense:
http://www.annarbor.com/news/more-about-turns-on-red/

Drivers can make a right turn on a red traffic signal from a one-way or two-way 
street onto a one-way or two-way street. Drivers also can make a left turn on a 
red traffic signal from a one-way or two-way street onto a one-way street only.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-06 Thread Darren Marshall

Yes like gas mileage, my passport gets 100mpg

Darren

 On Oct 5, 2013, at 6:23 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 i seem set on seeing this for myself if it is practical to make work on the
 terms outlined.  scooters are pretty big down here and they make sense on
 some level
 
 
 On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 7:08 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Because they go faster. They are not worth the risk, especially if you
 have kids that can lose a dad. Trust me on this one!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 5, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 how can they be more dangerous than a bicycle if they are ridden like
 one?
 
 
 On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:26 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Don't bother. Those are seriously dangerous.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 5, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 i want to get a scooter to be a little runabout when the distances are
 a
 little long for the bicycle but i still don't want to drive a car.  i
 don't
 want to mess with licensing or insurance or anything but i do want
 something i can actually take on a trip of a few hundred miles even. is
 this a problem that lends itself to a solution, especially when one
 considers my 350lbs+ girth?
 
 if i just got a bigger scooter, say, 150cc, and didn't bother to mess
 with
 licensing and such, would i stand to have issues or nobody would care?
 can
 an under 50 cc do the job described above, even it is is is done not so
 well?
 
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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-06 Thread MG

When my oldest daughter was going to school about 5 years in 
Gainesville, fl she got a 50cc Yamaha Zuma scooter, it did go 
about 42-45 mph and it did have to be licensed. She didn't have 
to get insurance since she wore a helmet but as far as I know any 
scooter on the public roads needs to be licensed here in Fl. I


Look here for all the pertinent info for scooters in Florida.

http://www.husseinandwebber.com/florida-license-mopeds-bicycles.html

In any case a scooter with 350 lbs on probably won't go more then 
25 mph anyway, except down hill. There is a guy in Gainesville 
who looks to be that size (looked like a bear on a bicycle in the 
circus) who is always holding up traffic. I have even seen him 
walking the thing up a hill in town once.


Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 14:53:36 -0400
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

i want to get a scooter to be a little runabout when the 
distances are a
little long for the bicycle but i still don't want to drive a 
car.  i don't

want to mess with licensing or insurance or anything but i do want
something i can actually take on a trip of a few hundred miles 
even. is

this a problem that lends itself to a solution, especially when one
considers my 350lbs+ girth?

if i just got a bigger scooter, say, 150cc, and didn't bother to 
mess with
licensing and such, would i stand to have issues or nobody would 
care? can
an under 50 cc do the job described above, even it is is is done 
not so

well?

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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-06 Thread Jim Cathey

if the law in most places is like what i'm familiar with in 
California, the law doesn't say anything about right or left.


In WA, you can make a right, or a left onto a oneway.  The
rule seems to be that you can't cross an opposing, active
lane of traffic.  Lotsa people don't seem to know about
the free left turn option.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

this interesting but it talks about license, not registration. i have a
driver's license but i don't want the scooter registered. i'm looking for
an intermediate mode of transportation when i am alone. the car is really
for others, but bicycle limits me to about to 10 miles around me.

On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 1:26 PM, MG trainpain2...@aol.com wrote:

When my oldest daughter was going to school about 5 years in Gainesville,
fl she got a 50cc Yamaha Zuma scooter, it did go about 42-45 mph and it did
have to be licensed. She didn't have to get insurance since she wore a
helmet but as far as I know any scooter on the public roads needs to be
licensed here in Fl. I

Look here for all the pertinent info for scooters in Florida.

http://www.husseinandwebber.**com/florida-license-mopeds-**bicycles.htmlhttp://www.husseinandwebber.com/florida-license-mopeds-bicycles.html

In any case a scooter with 350 lbs on probably won't go more then 25 mph
anyway, except down hill. There is a guy in Gainesville who looks to be
that size (looked like a bear on a bicycle in the circus) who is always
holding up traffic. I have even seen him walking the thing up a hill in
town once.

Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 14:53:36 -0400
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

i want to get a scooter to be a little runabout when the distances are a
little long for the bicycle but i still don't want to drive a car. i don't
want to mess with licensing or insurance or anything but i do want
something i can actually take on a trip of a few hundred miles even. is
this a problem that lends itself to a solution, especially when one
considers my 350lbs+ girth?

if i just got a bigger scooter, say, 150cc, and didn't bother to mess with
licensing and such, would i stand to have issues or nobody would care? can
an under 50 cc do the job described above, even it is is is done not so
well?

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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

BTW, that's y'all, not ya'll.  ;)

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

OK; after all, not other way to turn, is there?  One should never say 
never; that's a mighty long time.  Same for always.   ;)  Well, 
anyway, in NC, left turn on red is generally not allowed, and I don't plan 
to test it.  Ya'll are welcome come and try it if ya want; we can put your 
money to good use.  Just don't hurt somebody while trying it.  ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

i'd bet you are wrong that lefts on red are never allowed.  you just 
think
they are not allowed as the circumstances are particular and you may 
never

have encountered them

imagine you are traveling southbound on a southbound one way street.  you
come to a red light at the intersection of an eastbound one way street.
now your left on red is equivalent to a right on red and it is therefore
likely permitted.  i know it is this way in the state of georgia and i'd
guess in north carolina as well

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:44 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

I'm very familiar with the part of NC traffic law that allows right turn
on red after full stop and sure way is clear - left on red NOT allowed.
 When I lived in California (last was 35 years ago), I followed CA 
traffic

laws; during 60+ years of driving in NC, I've tried to follow NC traffic
laws. ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: ernest breakfield
ernestb@BackYardEngineering.**ORG

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 9:47 PM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

 if the law in most places is like what i'm familiar with in 
California,

the law doesn't say anything about right or left.
what it says here is that you can make a turn on a red light after 
a
full and complete stop if you can start from a lane nearest the curb 
and

end in the lane nearest the (same) curb.

to the original posters question; you'll have to check the regs 
where
you are to determine what qualifies as requiring documentation; it 
varies

greatly with locale.
as a bicyclist and motorcyclist, i don't see any use for a scooter
beyond the possibility of extremely short trips around town. my 
experience

around them is that they can't really be ridden like a bicycle, and i
don't consider them as safe as either a motorcycle or a bicycle since 
they
have enough power to get you into trouble, but the small/inexpensive 
ones

don't have the braking or handling to get you out of it.

i'd encourage you to keep riding the bicycle if you can (it's 
better

for you!).
if you need to extend your range somewhat, consider a small
motorcycle... but be sure you do the math if you're thinking of it as a
cost saving device; getting dressed to ride safely is going to cost 
more

than some people here will spend on a car, and the cost of keeping good
tires on a motorcycle might surprise some people.

cheers!
e

On 05/Oct/13 13:47, Mitch Haley wrote:

Most places you can turn left on red onto a one way street.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

it might actually be ya'all


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 BTW, that's y'all, not ya'll.  ;)

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com

 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:27 AM

 Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


  OK; after all, not other way to turn, is there?  One should never say
 never; that's a mighty long time.  Same for always.   ;)  Well,
 anyway, in NC, left turn on red is generally not allowed, and I don't plan
 to test it.  Ya'll are welcome come and try it if ya want; we can put your
 money to good use.  Just don't hurt somebody while trying it.  ;)

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


  i'd bet you are wrong that lefts on red are never allowed.  you just
 think
 they are not allowed as the circumstances are particular and you may
 never
 have encountered them

 imagine you are traveling southbound on a southbound one way street.  you
 come to a red light at the intersection of an eastbound one way street.
 now your left on red is equivalent to a right on red and it is therefore
 likely permitted.  i know it is this way in the state of georgia and i'd
 guess in north carolina as well


 On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:44 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  I'm very familiar with the part of NC traffic law that allows right turn
 on red after full stop and sure way is clear - left on red NOT allowed.
  When I lived in California (last was 35 years ago), I followed CA
 traffic
 laws; during 60+ years of driving in NC, I've tried to follow NC traffic
 laws. ;)

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield
 ernestb@BackYardEngineering.ORG

 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 9:47 PM

 Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


  if the law in most places is like what i'm familiar with in
 California,

 the law doesn't say anything about right or left.
 what it says here is that you can make a turn on a red light after
 a
 full and complete stop if you can start from a lane nearest the curb
 and
 end in the lane nearest the (same) curb.

 to the original posters question; you'll have to check the regs
 where
 you are to determine what qualifies as requiring documentation; it
 varies
 greatly with locale.
 as a bicyclist and motorcyclist, i don't see any use for a scooter
 beyond the possibility of extremely short trips around town. my
 experience
 around them is that they can't really be ridden like a bicycle, and i
 don't consider them as safe as either a motorcycle or a bicycle since
 they
 have enough power to get you into trouble, but the small/inexpensive
 ones
 don't have the braking or handling to get you out of it.

 i'd encourage you to keep riding the bicycle if you can (it's
 better
 for you!).
 if you need to extend your range somewhat, consider a small
 motorcycle... but be sure you do the math if you're thinking of it as a
 cost saving device; getting dressed to ride safely is going to cost
 more
 than some people here will spend on a car, and the cost of keeping good
 tires on a motorcycle might surprise some people.


 cheers!
 e


 On 05/Oct/13 13:47, Mitch Haley wrote:

  Most places you can turn left on red onto a one way street.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-06 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:47 PM, ernest breakfield 
erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote:

 if the law in most places is like what i'm familiar with in California,
 the law doesn't say anything about right or left.
 what it says here is that you can make a turn on a red light after a
 full and complete stop if you can start from a lane nearest the curb and
 end in the lane nearest the (same) curb.


Then maybe you should get out more, Ernie, because the law in your
neighboring state of Oregon allows a left turn on red from a two-way street
across the oncoming lane of traffic into a one-way street, which ipso facto
requires switching near-side curbs.

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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

How's that?  I've always thought y'all is for you all - the apostrophe 
taking the place of the missing ou.  That's what this native North 
Carolinian grew up with, anyway.  If I were saying ya all, I wouldn't need 
the apostrophe.  'Course, one is welcome to use whatever contraction he 
wants.  ;)


Wilt

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From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)



it might actually be ya'all


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:38 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


BTW, that's y'all, not ya'll.  ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:27 AM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


 OK; after all, not other way to turn, is there?  One should never say

never; that's a mighty long time.  Same for always.   ;)  Well,
anyway, in NC, left turn on red is generally not allowed, and I don't 
plan
to test it.  Ya'll are welcome come and try it if ya want; we can put 
your

money to good use.  Just don't hurt somebody while trying it.  ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


 i'd bet you are wrong that lefts on red are never allowed.  you just

think
they are not allowed as the circumstances are particular and you may
never
have encountered them

imagine you are traveling southbound on a southbound one way street. 
you

come to a red light at the intersection of an eastbound one way street.
now your left on red is equivalent to a right on red and it is 
therefore
likely permitted.  i know it is this way in the state of georgia and 
i'd

guess in north carolina as well


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:44 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 I'm very familiar with the part of NC traffic law that allows right 
turn
on red after full stop and sure way is clear - left on red NOT 
allowed.

 When I lived in California (last was 35 years ago), I followed CA
traffic
laws; during 60+ years of driving in NC, I've tried to follow NC 
traffic

laws. ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: ernest breakfield
ernestb@BackYardEngineering.ORG

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 9:47 PM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


 if the law in most places is like what i'm familiar with in
California,


the law doesn't say anything about right or left.
what it says here is that you can make a turn on a red light 
after

a
full and complete stop if you can start from a lane nearest the curb
and
end in the lane nearest the (same) curb.

to the original posters question; you'll have to check the regs
where
you are to determine what qualifies as requiring documentation; it
varies
greatly with locale.
as a bicyclist and motorcyclist, i don't see any use for a 
scooter

beyond the possibility of extremely short trips around town. my
experience
around them is that they can't really be ridden like a bicycle, and 
i

don't consider them as safe as either a motorcycle or a bicycle since
they
have enough power to get you into trouble, but the small/inexpensive
ones
don't have the braking or handling to get you out of it.

i'd encourage you to keep riding the bicycle if you can (it's
better
for you!).
if you need to extend your range somewhat, consider a small
motorcycle... but be sure you do the math if you're thinking of it as 
a

cost saving device; getting dressed to ride safely is going to cost
more
than some people here will spend on a car, and the cost of keeping 
good

tires on a motorcycle might surprise some people.


cheers!
e


On 05/Oct/13 13:47, Mitch Haley wrote:

 Most places you can turn left on red onto a one way street.


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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

of course you'd need the apostrophe as you've lost an A.

the support for y'all is that it is commonly written and presumed but it is
rendered ya'll by falkner.  i guess if you can find me a flannery
o'connor y'all, i'd feed better about it, but it seems this literary
tradition makes an argument for the other rendering


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 How's that?  I've always thought y'all is for you all - the apostrophe
 taking the place of the missing ou.  That's what this native North
 Carolinian grew up with, anyway.  If I were saying ya all, I wouldn't
 need the apostrophe.  'Course, one is welcome to use whatever contraction
 he wants.  ;)

 Wilt


 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 2:59 PM

 Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


  it might actually be ya'all


 On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:38 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  BTW, that's y'all, not ya'll.  ;)

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com

 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:27 AM

 Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


  OK; after all, not other way to turn, is there?  One should never say

 never; that's a mighty long time.  Same for always.   ;)  Well,
 anyway, in NC, left turn on red is generally not allowed, and I don't
 plan
 to test it.  Ya'll are welcome come and try it if ya want; we can put
 your
 money to good use.  Just don't hurt somebody while trying it.  ;)

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


  i'd bet you are wrong that lefts on red are never allowed.  you just

 think
 they are not allowed as the circumstances are particular and you may
 never
 have encountered them

 imagine you are traveling southbound on a southbound one way street.
 you
 come to a red light at the intersection of an eastbound one way street.
 now your left on red is equivalent to a right on red and it is
 therefore
 likely permitted.  i know it is this way in the state of georgia and
 i'd
 guess in north carolina as well


 On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:44 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  I'm very familiar with the part of NC traffic law that allows right
 turn

 on red after full stop and sure way is clear - left on red NOT
 allowed.
  When I lived in California (last was 35 years ago), I followed CA
 traffic
 laws; during 60+ years of driving in NC, I've tried to follow NC
 traffic
 laws. ;)

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield
 ernestb@BackYardEngineering.**ORG


 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 9:47 PM

 Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


  if the law in most places is like what i'm familiar with in
 California,

  the law doesn't say anything about right or left.
 what it says here is that you can make a turn on a red light
 after
 a
 full and complete stop if you can start from a lane nearest the curb
 and
 end in the lane nearest the (same) curb.

 to the original posters question; you'll have to check the regs
 where
 you are to determine what qualifies as requiring documentation; it
 varies
 greatly with locale.
 as a bicyclist and motorcyclist, i don't see any use for a
 scooter
 beyond the possibility of extremely short trips around town. my
 experience
 around them is that they can't really be ridden like a bicycle,
 and i
 don't consider them as safe as either a motorcycle or a bicycle since
 they
 have enough power to get you into trouble, but the small/inexpensive
 ones
 don't have the braking or handling to get you out of it.

 i'd encourage you to keep riding the bicycle if you can (it's
 better
 for you!).
 if you need to extend your range somewhat, consider a small
 motorcycle... but be sure you do the math if you're thinking of it
 as a
 cost saving device; getting dressed to ride safely is going to cost
 more
 than some people here will spend on a car, and the cost of keeping
 good
 tires on a motorcycle might surprise some people.


 cheers!
 e


 On 05/Oct/13 13:47, Mitch Haley wrote:

  Most places you can turn left on red onto a one way street.


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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-06 Thread Rich Thomas


Well there is y'all and all y'all

--R


On 10/6/13 4:14 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

of course you'd need the apostrophe as you've lost an A.

the support for y'all is that it is commonly written and presumed but it is
rendered ya'll by falkner.  i guess if you can find me a flannery
o'connor y'all, i'd feed better about it, but it seems this literary
tradition makes an argument for the other rendering


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


How's that?  I've always thought y'all is for you all - the apostrophe
taking the place of the missing ou.  That's what this native North
Carolinian grew up with, anyway.  If I were saying ya all, I wouldn't
need the apostrophe.  'Course, one is welcome to use whatever contraction
he wants.  ;)

Wilt


- Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 2:59 PM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


  it might actually be ya'all


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:38 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  BTW, that's y'all, not ya'll.  ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:27 AM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


  OK; after all, not other way to turn, is there?  One should never say


never; that's a mighty long time.  Same for always.   ;)  Well,
anyway, in NC, left turn on red is generally not allowed, and I don't
plan
to test it.  Ya'll are welcome come and try it if ya want; we can put
your
money to good use.  Just don't hurt somebody while trying it.  ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


  i'd bet you are wrong that lefts on red are never allowed.  you just


think
they are not allowed as the circumstances are particular and you may
never
have encountered them

imagine you are traveling southbound on a southbound one way street.
you
come to a red light at the intersection of an eastbound one way street.
now your left on red is equivalent to a right on red and it is
therefore
likely permitted.  i know it is this way in the state of georgia and
i'd
guess in north carolina as well


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:44 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  I'm very familiar with the part of NC traffic law that allows right
turn


on red after full stop and sure way is clear - left on red NOT
allowed.
  When I lived in California (last was 35 years ago), I followed CA
traffic
laws; during 60+ years of driving in NC, I've tried to follow NC
traffic
laws. ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: ernest breakfield
ernestb@BackYardEngineering.**ORG


To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 9:47 PM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


  if the law in most places is like what i'm familiar with in
California,

  the law doesn't say anything about right or left.

 what it says here is that you can make a turn on a red light
after
a
full and complete stop if you can start from a lane nearest the curb
and
end in the lane nearest the (same) curb.

 to the original posters question; you'll have to check the regs
where
you are to determine what qualifies as requiring documentation; it
varies
greatly with locale.
 as a bicyclist and motorcyclist, i don't see any use for a
scooter
beyond the possibility of extremely short trips around town. my
experience
around them is that they can't really be ridden like a bicycle,
and i
don't consider them as safe as either a motorcycle or a bicycle since
they
have enough power to get you into trouble, but the small/inexpensive
ones
don't have the braking or handling to get you out of it.

 i'd encourage you to keep riding the bicycle if you can (it's
better
for you!).
 if you need to extend your range somewhat, consider a small
motorcycle... but be sure you do the math if you're thinking of it
as a
cost saving device; getting dressed to ride safely is going to cost
more
than some people here will spend on a car, and the cost of keeping
good
tires on a motorcycle might surprise some people.


cheers!
e


On 05/Oct/13 13:47, Mitch Haley wrote:

  Most places you can turn left on red onto a one way street.


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that's a different subject


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Well there is y'all and all y'all

 --R



 On 10/6/13 4:14 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

 of course you'd need the apostrophe as you've lost an A.

 the support for y'all is that it is commonly written and presumed but it
 is
 rendered ya'll by falkner.  i guess if you can find me a flannery
 o'connor y'all, i'd feed better about it, but it seems this literary
 tradition makes an argument for the other rendering


 On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  How's that?  I've always thought y'all is for you all - the
 apostrophe
 taking the place of the missing ou.  That's what this native North
 Carolinian grew up with, anyway.  If I were saying ya all, I wouldn't
 need the apostrophe.  'Course, one is welcome to use whatever contraction
 he wants.  ;)

 Wilt


 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 2:59 PM

 Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


   it might actually be ya'all


 On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:38 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

   BTW, that's y'all, not ya'll.  ;)

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com

 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:27 AM

 Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


   OK; after all, not other way to turn, is there?  One should never say

  never; that's a mighty long time.  Same for always.   ;)  Well,
 anyway, in NC, left turn on red is generally not allowed, and I don't
 plan
 to test it.  Ya'll are welcome come and try it if ya want; we can put
 your
 money to good use.  Just don't hurt somebody while trying it.  ;)

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst 
 jabbahur...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


   i'd bet you are wrong that lefts on red are never allowed.  you just

  think
 they are not allowed as the circumstances are particular and you may
 never
 have encountered them

 imagine you are traveling southbound on a southbound one way street.
 you
 come to a red light at the intersection of an eastbound one way
 street.
 now your left on red is equivalent to a right on red and it is
 therefore
 likely permitted.  i know it is this way in the state of georgia and
 i'd
 guess in north carolina as well


 On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:44 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

   I'm very familiar with the part of NC traffic law that allows right
 turn

  on red after full stop and sure way is clear - left on red NOT
 allowed.
   When I lived in California (last was 35 years ago), I followed CA
 traffic
 laws; during 60+ years of driving in NC, I've tried to follow NC
 traffic
 laws. ;)

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield
 ernestb@BackYardEngineering.ORG



 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 9:47 PM

 Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


   if the law in most places is like what i'm familiar with in
 California,

   the law doesn't say anything about right or left.

  what it says here is that you can make a turn on a red light
 after
 a
 full and complete stop if you can start from a lane nearest the
 curb
 and
 end in the lane nearest the (same) curb.

  to the original posters question; you'll have to check the
 regs
 where
 you are to determine what qualifies as requiring documentation; it
 varies
 greatly with locale.
  as a bicyclist and motorcyclist, i don't see any use for a
 scooter
 beyond the possibility of extremely short trips around town. my
 experience
 around them is that they can't really be ridden like a bicycle,
 and i
 don't consider them as safe as either a motorcycle or a bicycle
 since
 they
 have enough power to get you into trouble, but the
 small/inexpensive
 ones
 don't have the braking or handling to get you out of it.

  i'd encourage you to keep riding the bicycle if you can (it's
 better
 for you!).
  if you need to extend your range somewhat, consider a small
 motorcycle... but be sure you do the math if you're thinking of it
 as a
 cost saving device; getting dressed to ride safely is going to cost
 more
 than some people here will spend on a car, and the cost of keeping
 good
 tires on a motorcycle might surprise some people.


 cheers!
 e


 On 05/Oct/13 13:47, Mitch Haley wrote:

   Most places you can turn left on red onto a one way street.

  Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

And there's youse guys with appropriate New Joisey, etc., accent.   ;)

Wilt

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From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

Well there is y'all and all y'all

--R

On 10/6/13 4:14 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

of course you'd need the apostrophe as you've lost an A.

the support for y'all is that it is commonly written and presumed but it 
is

rendered ya'll by falkner.  i guess if you can find me a flannery
o'connor y'all, i'd feed better about it, but it seems this literary
tradition makes an argument for the other rendering

On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

How's that?  I've always thought y'all is for you all - the 
apostrophe

taking the place of the missing ou.  That's what this native North
Carolinian grew up with, anyway.  If I were saying ya all, I wouldn't
need the apostrophe.  'Course, one is welcome to use whatever 
contraction

he wants.  ;)

Wilt

- Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 2:59 PM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

  it might actually be ya'all

On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:38 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  BTW, that's y'all, not ya'll.  ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:27 AM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

  OK; after all, not other way to turn, is there?  One should never 
say

never; that's a mighty long time.  Same for always.   ;)  Well,
anyway, in NC, left turn on red is generally not allowed, and I don't
plan
to test it.  Ya'll are welcome come and try it if ya want; we can put
your
money to good use.  Just don't hurt somebody while trying it.  ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Gary Hurst 
jabbahur...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

  i'd bet you are wrong that lefts on red are never allowed.  you 
just

think
they are not allowed as the circumstances are particular and you may
never
have encountered them

imagine you are traveling southbound on a southbound one way street.
you
come to a red light at the intersection of an eastbound one way 
street.

now your left on red is equivalent to a right on red and it is
therefore
likely permitted.  i know it is this way in the state of georgia and
i'd
guess in north carolina as well

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:44 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  I'm very familiar with the part of NC traffic law that allows 
right

turn

on red after full stop and sure way is clear - left on red NOT
allowed.
  When I lived in California (last was 35 years ago), I followed CA
traffic
laws; during 60+ years of driving in NC, I've tried to follow NC
traffic
laws. ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: ernest breakfield
ernestb@BackYardEngineering.**ORG

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 9:47 PM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

  if the law in most places is like what i'm familiar with in
California,

  the law doesn't say anything about right or left.

 what it says here is that you can make a turn on a red light
after
a
full and complete stop if you can start from a lane nearest the 
curb

and
end in the lane nearest the (same) curb.

 to the original posters question; you'll have to check the 
regs

where
you are to determine what qualifies as requiring documentation; it
varies
greatly with locale.
 as a bicyclist and motorcyclist, i don't see any use for a
scooter
beyond the possibility of extremely short trips around town. my
experience
around them is that they can't really be ridden like a bicycle,
and i
don't consider them as safe as either a motorcycle or a bicycle 
since

they
have enough power to get you into trouble, but the 
small/inexpensive

ones
don't have the braking or handling to get you out of it.

 i'd encourage you to keep riding the bicycle if you can (it's
better
for you!).
 if you need to extend your range somewhat, consider a small
motorcycle... but be sure you do the math if you're thinking of it
as a
cost saving device; getting dressed to ride safely is going to 
cost

more
than some people here will spend on a car, and the cost of keeping
good
tires on a motorcycle might surprise some people.

cheers!
e

On 05/Oct/13 13:47, Mitch Haley wrote:

  Most places you can turn left on red onto a one way street.

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2013-10-06 Thread Tim Crone

Wilton is correct, there are no legal lefts on red in North Carolina.
There was some debate in the state legislature on this point about ten or
twelve years ago; they were debating removing the restriction inside city
limits on intersecting one way streets that are state maintained.  There
was strong lobbying against by some organizations for the blind, and then
the bill died.

As Mitch said, simple. :)

Best,
Tim
On Oct 6, 2013 12:21 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 i'd bet you are wrong that lefts on red are never allowed.  you just think
 they are not allowed as the circumstances are particular and you may never
 have encountered them

 imagine you are traveling southbound on a southbound one way street.  you
 come to a red light at the intersection of an eastbound one way street.
 now your left on red is equivalent to a right on red and it is therefore
 likely permitted.  i know it is this way in the state of georgia and i'd
 guess in north carolina as well


 On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:44 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  I'm very familiar with the part of NC traffic law that allows right turn
  on red after full stop and sure way is clear - left on red NOT allowed.
   When I lived in California (last was 35 years ago), I followed CA
 traffic
  laws; during 60+ years of driving in NC, I've tried to follow NC traffic
  laws. ;)
 
  Wilton
 
  - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield
  ernestb@BackYardEngineering.**ORG
 
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 9:47 PM
 
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)
 
 
   if the law in most places is like what i'm familiar with in
 California,
  the law doesn't say anything about right or left.
  what it says here is that you can make a turn on a red light after a
  full and complete stop if you can start from a lane nearest the curb and
  end in the lane nearest the (same) curb.
 
  to the original posters question; you'll have to check the regs
 where
  you are to determine what qualifies as requiring documentation; it
 varies
  greatly with locale.
  as a bicyclist and motorcyclist, i don't see any use for a scooter
  beyond the possibility of extremely short trips around town. my
 experience
  around them is that they can't really be ridden like a bicycle, and i
  don't consider them as safe as either a motorcycle or a bicycle since
 they
  have enough power to get you into trouble, but the small/inexpensive
 ones
  don't have the braking or handling to get you out of it.
 
  i'd encourage you to keep riding the bicycle if you can (it's better
  for you!).
  if you need to extend your range somewhat, consider a small
  motorcycle... but be sure you do the math if you're thinking of it as a
  cost saving device; getting dressed to ride safely is going to cost more
  than some people here will spend on a car, and the cost of keeping good
  tires on a motorcycle might surprise some people.
 
 
  cheers!
  e
 
 
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  Most places you can turn left on red onto a one way street.
 
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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-06 Thread MG

Ah yes I see. To me any motor vehicle would automatically require 
registration and a tag. So also it appears thinks the DMV.


Introduction

In Florida, there are classifications for both mopeds and 
motorized scooters. Be aware of which classification your vehicle 
falls into, as there are different requirements for each.


If your vehicle exceeds the specifications for a moped or 
motorized scooter, it will be classified as a motorcycle and will 
be held subject to all Florida motorcycle licensing and 
registration laws.

Moped Classification in Florida

A moped is defined as a vehicle that has:

* A seat for the rider
* Pedals that allow you to propel the vehicle
* three or fewer wheels
* A motor of two-brake horsepower or less
* Maximum speed of 30 mph on level ground
* An Automatic power-drive system that does not require the 
rider to manually change gears
* Displacement of 50 cc or less (for those with an internal 
combustion engine)


License, Registration and Insurance Requirements

All moped drivers need to have a valid Class E driver's license 
and be at least 16 years of age or older to drive a moped on a 
public road. Your moped must be registered, which you can do at 
your local county tax collector office. You will be issued 
motorcycle license plates, which you will need to renew annually. 
If you're younger than 21 years of age, your plate will have a 
distinctive design and color.


The fee for registering a moped is $6.75, though other statutory 
fees may apply.


You will need to observe the following requirements and regulations:

* You will not be allowed to ride your moped on bike or foot 
paths

* All passengers younger than 16 must wear a helmet

Moped drivers are no longer required to carry Personal Injury 
Protection insurance in order to register a moped in FL.


Florida Motorized Scooter

A motorized scooter is defined as a vehicle that is:

* without a seat or saddle for the use of the rider
* Designed to travel on three wheels or less
* Operates at a maximum speed of 30 mph on level ground

You are required to have a valid Class E driver's license and you 
must be at least 16 years old to ride a motorized scooter in the 
state of Florida. You cannot register or title a motorized 
scooter, and you cannot drive a motorized scooter on sidewalks. 
There are no insurance requirements in Florida regarding the 
operation of a motorized scooter.


If your moped’s specifications exceed the definitions on this 
page, it is classified as a motorcycle and is subject to 
Florida’s laws regarding motorcycle license requirements.



So going by that the old Yamaha Zuma 50cc scooter that my 
daughter had now has to be considered a motorcycle since it goes 
too fast.


I would also run that thing they call a scooter in the above 
description by the cops down where you are as that kind of thing 
up here is what they do not allow on public property even if you 
have a drivers license. Anything with a motor that the state 
won't register and issue a tag for is not allowed, well with the 
possible exception of a bike with a small electric motor.



Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 14:26:22 -0400
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

this interesting but it talks about license, not registration.  i 
have a
driver's license but i don't want the scooter registered.  i'm 
looking for
an intermediate mode of transportation when i am alone.  the car 
is really

for others, but bicycle limits me to about to 10 miles around me.

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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-06 Thread clay

Answer to both is NO.

49cc has a hard time moving a 150lb mass down the roadway at a decent speed.  
In Florida, it may not be an issue, except trying to get up a steep driveway.  
You can not take a 50cc on the highway, but surface streets are fine, since you 
are not trying to get above 30mph.  Think motobecane.

All bikes with larger than 50cc are required to be licensed around where I 
live.  Also in places I have lived in a former life.  Not sure what FL 
requires.  I was able to maintain double nickel on a early 1970's Honda enduro, 
I think it was 120cc.  For a man of your dimensions, a real bike decked out 
like a scooter, think Honda Pacifica, might do the job.  Maybe the larger 
actual scooters will get you around at 30mph.  Go to the beach and rent one of 
their bikes.  See how it moves you about.

clay





On Oct 5, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

 i want to get a scooter to be a little runabout when the distances are a
 little long for the bicycle but i still don't want to drive a car.  i don't
 want to mess with licensing or insurance or anything but i do want
 something i can actually take on a trip of a few hundred miles even. is
 this a problem that lends itself to a solution, especially when one
 considers my 350lbs+ girth?
 
 if i just got a bigger scooter, say, 150cc, and didn't bother to mess with
 licensing and such, would i stand to have issues or nobody would care? can
 an under 50 cc do the job described above, even it is is is done not so
 well?
 
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2013-10-06 Thread clay

I just had the Epic Fail logo flash in my brain -- Hurst on a wee moto and the 
massive reflective vest, shocks bottomed out and sparks coming off the rims

clay

On Oct 5, 2013, at 6:06 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

 On Oct 5, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 i have mixed feelings on the danger element.  on the one hand, obviously,
 no one wants to get hurt badly, but, on the other, i find us too much
 living our lives in fear and don't think it's a good thing
 
 
 Put on a 5x chartreuse reflective safety vest and you will stick out like a 
 sore thumb. 
 
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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

back in my peek weight days, abby and i went and got kayaks on the hooch.
the girl assured me that their super top model can carry ANYONE as it is
rated to 400lbs.  i agreed!

let's just say the kayak was hardly visible and i was in the water.


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 11:49 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 I just had the Epic Fail logo flash in my brain -- Hurst on a wee moto and
 the massive reflective vest, shocks bottomed out and sparks coming off the
 rims

 clay

 On Oct 5, 2013, at 6:06 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

  On Oct 5, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  i have mixed feelings on the danger element.  on the one hand,
 obviously,
  no one wants to get hurt badly, but, on the other, i find us too much
  living our lives in fear and don't think it's a good thing
 
 
  Put on a 5x chartreuse reflective safety vest and you will stick out
 like a sore thumb.
 
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[MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

i want to get a scooter to be a little runabout when the distances are a
little long for the bicycle but i still don't want to drive a car.  i don't
want to mess with licensing or insurance or anything but i do want
something i can actually take on a trip of a few hundred miles even. is
this a problem that lends itself to a solution, especially when one
considers my 350lbs+ girth?

if i just got a bigger scooter, say, 150cc, and didn't bother to mess with
licensing and such, would i stand to have issues or nobody would care? can
an under 50 cc do the job described above, even it is is is done not so
well?

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On Oct 5, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  i don't
 want to mess with licensing or insurance or anything but i do want
 something i can actually take on a trip of a few hundred miles even.


Aprilia SR50. But they are not cheap. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-05 Thread Mitch Haley

I once (back in the 1980s) saw a Honda MB5 with a moped sticker on it, although 
the only similarity between it and a Michigan legal moped was the displacement.
Probably wouldn't recommend that for somebody over 150lb, and its the most 
capable 50cc machine I know of that comes with lights on it.


http://www.mopedarmy.com/wiki/Honda_mb5

Mitch.

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will it get my fat ass over the hill?  how long do they last for?


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:

 On Oct 5, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

   i don't
  want to mess with licensing or insurance or anything but i do want
  something i can actually take on a trip of a few hundred miles even.


 Aprilia SR50. But they are not cheap.

 Rick
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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-05 Thread Peter Frederick


Most mopeds are 2 hp or so, so figure it that way.

Depending on the state you live in, it may be (and should be)  
considered a motor vehicle, subject to license, registration, and  
insurance requirements.


You should also be aware that they are VERY dangerous if ridden on the  
open road, although staying sober helps quite a bit there.


Peter

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i would ride it as i would a bicycle.  i'm not interested in any
bureaucratic stuff to do this.  i'm trying to get away from that sort of
thing


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote:

 Most mopeds are 2 hp or so, so figure it that way.

 Depending on the state you live in, it may be (and should be) considered a
 motor vehicle, subject to license, registration, and insurance requirements.

 You should also be aware that they are VERY dangerous if ridden on the
 open road, although staying sober helps quite a bit there.

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'Reminds me; just drove out to my rental house; stopped at a red light 
behind a guy on a whiskycycle, (the little scooters many of those who've 
lost driving privileges 'cause of DUI ride); he at least looked left and 
right before he turned left and went merrily on his way under the big red 
light.  He probably thinks, They can't do anything else to me; they already 
took my license, so the traffic laws don't apply to me.  I thought to 
myself, That's RIGHT on red, you idiot.  Not LEFT on red.


Wilton

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Most mopeds are 2 hp or so, so figure it that way.

Depending on the state you live in, it may be (and should be)  considered 
a motor vehicle, subject to license, registration, and  insurance 
requirements.


You should also be aware that they are VERY dangerous if ridden on the 
open road, although staying sober helps quite a bit there.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-05 Thread Mitch Haley


WILTON wrote:
'Reminds me; just drove out to my rental house; stopped at a red light 
behind a guy on a whiskycycle, (the little scooters many of those 
who've lost driving privileges 'cause of DUI ride); he at least looked 
left and right before he turned left and went merrily on his way under 
the big red light.  He probably thinks, They can't do anything else to 
me; they already took my license, so the traffic laws don't apply to 
me.  I thought to myself, That's RIGHT on red, you idiot.  Not LEFT on 
red.


Most places you can turn left on red onto a one way street.

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Certainly not in this case of intersecting two-way traffic.  He knew it, 
too; 'looked back at me after the turn to see if I were watching - I was.

Wilton

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WILTON wrote:
'Reminds me; just drove out to my rental house; stopped at a red light 
behind a guy on a whiskycycle, (the little scooters many of those 
who've lost driving privileges 'cause of DUI ride); he at least looked 
left and right before he turned left and went merrily on his way under 
the big red light.  He probably thinks, They can't do anything else to 
me; they already took my license, so the traffic laws don't apply to me. 
I thought to myself, That's RIGHT on red, you idiot.  Not LEFT on red.

Most places you can turn left on red onto a one way street.

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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-05 Thread Mountain Man

drfatty wrote:
 i'm not interested in any
 bureaucratic stuff to do this.  i'm trying to get away from that sort of
 thing

+1
mao

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i'd jsut get a 150 and not tell anyone but i fear the law will go crazy and
throw me in jail and fine me thousands of dollars


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 drfatty wrote:
  i'm not interested in any
  bureaucratic stuff to do this.  i'm trying to get away from that sort of
  thing

 +1
 mao

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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-05 Thread Darren Marshall

Maybe a Vespa Grande? That's more of a moped, I know in IL anything over
60cc (or something) needs to be titled and registered, most with mopeds
don't even bother.

I have a 1981 Honda Passport c70 (light blue/white) that i had to plate,
but I don't think it requires insurance.

Darren
312-208-4328


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 drfatty wrote:
  i'm not interested in any
  bureaucratic stuff to do this.  i'm trying to get away from that sort of
  thing

 +1
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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-05 Thread dseretakis

Don't bother. Those are seriously dangerous.

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On Oct 5, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 i want to get a scooter to be a little runabout when the distances are a
 little long for the bicycle but i still don't want to drive a car.  i don't
 want to mess with licensing or insurance or anything but i do want
 something i can actually take on a trip of a few hundred miles even. is
 this a problem that lends itself to a solution, especially when one
 considers my 350lbs+ girth?
 
 if i just got a bigger scooter, say, 150cc, and didn't bother to mess with
 licensing and such, would i stand to have issues or nobody would care? can
 an under 50 cc do the job described above, even it is is is done not so
 well?
 
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how can they be more dangerous than a bicycle if they are ridden like one?


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:26 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Don't bother. Those are seriously dangerous.

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 On Oct 5, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  i want to get a scooter to be a little runabout when the distances are a
  little long for the bicycle but i still don't want to drive a car.  i
 don't
  want to mess with licensing or insurance or anything but i do want
  something i can actually take on a trip of a few hundred miles even. is
  this a problem that lends itself to a solution, especially when one
  considers my 350lbs+ girth?
 
  if i just got a bigger scooter, say, 150cc, and didn't bother to mess
 with
  licensing and such, would i stand to have issues or nobody would care?
 can
  an under 50 cc do the job described above, even it is is is done not so
  well?
 
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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

Potential to go significantly faster than bike?

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how can they be more dangerous than a bicycle if they are ridden like one?

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:26 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

Don't bother. Those are seriously dangerous.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 5, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 i want to get a scooter to be a little runabout when the distances are 
 a

 little long for the bicycle but i still don't want to drive a car.  i
don't
 want to mess with licensing or insurance or anything but i do want
 something i can actually take on a trip of a few hundred miles even. is
 this a problem that lends itself to a solution, especially when one
 considers my 350lbs+ girth?

 if i just got a bigger scooter, say, 150cc, and didn't bother to mess
with
 licensing and such, would i stand to have issues or nobody would care?
can
 an under 50 cc do the job described above, even it is is is done not so
 well?

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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

not really.  zippy probably does about 20 to 25 on his bike which is
probably about what this scooter might do with me on it


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 Potential to go significantly faster than bike?

 Wilton

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  how can they be more dangerous than a bicycle if they are ridden like one?


 On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:26 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Don't bother. Those are seriously dangerous.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 5, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  i want to get a scooter to be a little runabout when the distances are
  a
  little long for the bicycle but i still don't want to drive a car.  i
 don't
  want to mess with licensing or insurance or anything but i do want
  something i can actually take on a trip of a few hundred miles even. is
  this a problem that lends itself to a solution, especially when one
  considers my 350lbs+ girth?
 
  if i just got a bigger scooter, say, 150cc, and didn't bother to mess
 with
  licensing and such, would i stand to have issues or nobody would care?
 can
  an under 50 cc do the job described above, even it is is is done not so
  well?
 
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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-05 Thread dseretakis

Because they go faster. They are not worth the risk, especially if you have 
kids that can lose a dad. Trust me on this one!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 5, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 how can they be more dangerous than a bicycle if they are ridden like one?
 
 
 On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:26 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Don't bother. Those are seriously dangerous.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 5, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 i want to get a scooter to be a little runabout when the distances are a
 little long for the bicycle but i still don't want to drive a car.  i
 don't
 want to mess with licensing or insurance or anything but i do want
 something i can actually take on a trip of a few hundred miles even. is
 this a problem that lends itself to a solution, especially when one
 considers my 350lbs+ girth?
 
 if i just got a bigger scooter, say, 150cc, and didn't bother to mess
 with
 licensing and such, would i stand to have issues or nobody would care?
 can
 an under 50 cc do the job described above, even it is is is done not so
 well?
 
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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

i seem set on seeing this for myself if it is practical to make work on the
terms outlined.  scooters are pretty big down here and they make sense on
some level


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 7:08 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Because they go faster. They are not worth the risk, especially if you
 have kids that can lose a dad. Trust me on this one!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 5, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  how can they be more dangerous than a bicycle if they are ridden like
 one?
 
 
  On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:26 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Don't bother. Those are seriously dangerous.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Oct 5, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  i want to get a scooter to be a little runabout when the distances are
 a
  little long for the bicycle but i still don't want to drive a car.  i
  don't
  want to mess with licensing or insurance or anything but i do want
  something i can actually take on a trip of a few hundred miles even. is
  this a problem that lends itself to a solution, especially when one
  considers my 350lbs+ girth?
 
  if i just got a bigger scooter, say, 150cc, and didn't bother to mess
  with
  licensing and such, would i stand to have issues or nobody would care?
  can
  an under 50 cc do the job described above, even it is is is done not so
  well?
 
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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-05 Thread dseretakis

With a bike you are less inclined to go through a busy intersection, you can 
walk it across a busy street as a pedestrian or you could ride on the sidewalk 
in dangerous spots. You don't have those choices with a moped. A moped 
accelerates a lot faster than a bike allowing you to be more daring on the 
road. 
Don't get me wrong though, a bicycle ridden in an urban environment is also 
quite dangerous but not as dangerous as a moped. In a past life, I've cared for 
young and old people injured riding mopeds (and bicycles) in urban 
environments.  Some sustained, serious injuries, some died and donated their 
organs, and others ended up in persistent vegetative states. 
Don't do it!!!

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On Oct 5, 2013, at 6:38 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 not really.  zippy probably does about 20 to 25 on his bike which is
 probably about what this scooter might do with me on it
 
 
 On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Potential to go significantly faster than bike?
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 6:29 PM
 
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)
 
 
 how can they be more dangerous than a bicycle if they are ridden like one?
 
 
 On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:26 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Don't bother. Those are seriously dangerous.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 5, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 i want to get a scooter to be a little runabout when the distances are
 a
 little long for the bicycle but i still don't want to drive a car.  i
 don't
 want to mess with licensing or insurance or anything but i do want
 something i can actually take on a trip of a few hundred miles even. is
 this a problem that lends itself to a solution, especially when one
 considers my 350lbs+ girth?
 
 if i just got a bigger scooter, say, 150cc, and didn't bother to mess
 with
 licensing and such, would i stand to have issues or nobody would care?
 can
 an under 50 cc do the job described above, even it is is is done not so
 well?
 
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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-05 Thread Curt Raymond

Dimitri thinks like a doctor and you've forgetten that anything motorized must 
be ridden in the street while bicycles can get away with a lot more.

Put more simply I tend to believe that anything worth doing is probably 
dangerous and if you're considering a moped or scooter you should look for a 
150cc motorcycle. Yes you'll have to involve the state but its a much more 
useful vehicle.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 18:29:53 -0400
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)
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how can they be more dangerous than a bicycle if they are ridden like one?


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 Don't bother. Those are seriously dangerous.

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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

you have really good points here.  i've never ridden a scooter and it
really might not be possible to ride it like a bicycle.  while i spend
maybe 98% plus of my time riding on the road, it's not as if i'm never on
the sidewalk or someone's lawn.  my concept might not be as valid as i
think here

i have mixed feelings on the danger element.  on the one hand, obviously,
no one wants to get hurt badly, but, on the other, i find us too much
living our lives in fear and don't think it's a good thing

i dislike any involvement with the government as i feel them to be a
destructive force who cares about nothing but themselves.  i own an
outboard motor, but don't use it on my dinghy boat as that would require,
by law at least, the i register my crappy PVC vinyl blow up boat the same
as i'd have to register a car.  a more normal person might say just give
them the 50 bucks a year and use the motor instead the only dope rowing in
the intercoastal but i just keep rowing

i'm not getting clarity on what to do here but it won't be the first thing
this has happened with


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 Dimitri thinks like a doctor and you've forgetten that anything motorized
 must be ridden in the street while bicycles can get away with a lot more.

 Put more simply I tend to believe that anything worth doing is probably
 dangerous and if you're considering a moped or scooter you should look for
 a 150cc motorcycle. Yes you'll have to involve the state but its a much
 more useful vehicle.

 -Curt

 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 18:29:53 -0400
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 how can they be more dangerous than a bicycle if they are ridden like one?


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  Don't bother. Those are seriously dangerous.
 
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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


 Aprilia SR50. But they are not cheap.
 
 Rick
On Oct 5, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 will it get my fat ass over the hill?  how long do they last for?
 

Yes. I bought an old POS for my kid (had to rebuild EVERY system) and with me 
on it (215 lbs.) it would cruise between 45-50mph. It has to be de-restricted 
to do that though. 

My kids had 35k on it and it was worn out, so... 30k miles?

http://bit.ly/1932hza

https://spacecoast.craigslist.org/mcd/4061272028.html 

https://sarasota.craigslist.org/mcy/4077047418.html

https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/mcy/4057966303.html

https://miami.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=aprilia|arillia+sr|sr50zoomToPosting=minAsk=maxAsk=

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And Demitri and Curt are right. 
A small motorcycle would make more sense. 

Rick
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 will it get my fat ass over the hill?  how long do they last for?

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On Oct 5, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 i have mixed feelings on the danger element.  on the one hand, obviously,
 no one wants to get hurt badly, but, on the other, i find us too much
 living our lives in fear and don't think it's a good thing


Put on a 5x chartreuse reflective safety vest and you will stick out like a 
sore thumb. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

as if i don't already!


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 On Oct 5, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  i have mixed feelings on the danger element.  on the one hand, obviously,
  no one wants to get hurt badly, but, on the other, i find us too much
  living our lives in fear and don't think it's a good thing


 Put on a 5x chartreuse reflective safety vest and you will stick out like
 a sore thumb.

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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-05 Thread ernest breakfield

if the law in most places is like what i'm familiar with in 
California, the law doesn't say anything about right or left.
what it says here is that you can make a turn on a red light after 
a full and complete stop if you can start from a lane nearest the curb 
and end in the lane nearest the (same) curb.


to the original posters question; you'll have to check the regs 
where you are to determine what qualifies as requiring documentation; it 
varies greatly with locale.
as a bicyclist and motorcyclist, i don't see any use for a scooter 
beyond the possibility of extremely short trips around town. my 
experience around them is that they can't really be ridden like a 
bicycle, and i don't consider them as safe as either a motorcycle or a 
bicycle since they have enough power to get you into trouble, but the 
small/inexpensive ones don't have the braking or handling to get you out 
of it.


i'd encourage you to keep riding the bicycle if you can (it's 
better for you!).
if you need to extend your range somewhat, consider a small 
motorcycle... but be sure you do the math if you're thinking of it as a 
cost saving device; getting dressed to ride safely is going to cost more 
than some people here will spend on a car, and the cost of keeping good 
tires on a motorcycle might surprise some people.



cheers!
e


On 05/Oct/13 13:47, Mitch Haley wrote:

Most places you can turn left on red onto a one way street.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

I'm very familiar with the part of NC traffic law that allows right turn on 
red after full stop and sure way is clear - left on red NOT allowed.  When I 
lived in California (last was 35 years ago), I followed CA traffic laws; 
during 60+ years of driving in NC, I've tried to follow NC traffic laws. 
;)


Wilton

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if the law in most places is like what i'm familiar with in California, 
the law doesn't say anything about right or left.
what it says here is that you can make a turn on a red light after a 
full and complete stop if you can start from a lane nearest the curb and 
end in the lane nearest the (same) curb.


to the original posters question; you'll have to check the regs where 
you are to determine what qualifies as requiring documentation; it varies 
greatly with locale.
as a bicyclist and motorcyclist, i don't see any use for a scooter 
beyond the possibility of extremely short trips around town. my experience 
around them is that they can't really be ridden like a bicycle, and i 
don't consider them as safe as either a motorcycle or a bicycle since they 
have enough power to get you into trouble, but the small/inexpensive ones 
don't have the braking or handling to get you out of it.


i'd encourage you to keep riding the bicycle if you can (it's better 
for you!).
if you need to extend your range somewhat, consider a small 
motorcycle... but be sure you do the math if you're thinking of it as a 
cost saving device; getting dressed to ride safely is going to cost more 
than some people here will spend on a car, and the cost of keeping good 
tires on a motorcycle might surprise some people.



cheers!
e


On 05/Oct/13 13:47, Mitch Haley wrote:

Most places you can turn left on red onto a one way street.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-05 Thread Benz Hogs


30-34mph if I'm in 100% sprint mode.


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi)

On 10/5/2013 5:38 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

not really.  zippy probably does about 20 to 25 on his bike which is
probably about what this scooter might do with me on it



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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-05 Thread Mitch Haley


Benz Hogs wrote:

30-34mph if I'm in 100% sprint mode.


I used to like chasing slow-peds. Easy sport in town, could be quite 
challenging on the open road. It was often impossible to defeat the faster ones 
over the long haul unless I could drop them on some hills. Something like a 
Yamahopper or a Honda Express could do 28mph all day on a flat road, but I could 
outclimb them and then go 40mph down the other side of the hill.


One time in 1984, at the peak of my ability, I found myself sitting next to a 
Honda scooter at a stop light. Said Aero 50 on it, I figured I'd have to do at 
least 30mph to put it away. I left him at the light, but half a block later I 
was doing 34-35 and he was right beside me. It was 4-5 blocks to the next red 
light and I was hurting bad, I went flat out the whole way at 35 and he was 
stuck to me like glue. We stopped, turned towards each other, and said almost in 
unison: I didn't know those things could go that fast. The fact that I was 
giving it my all and he was right next to me the whole way makes me think he was 
pacing me at part throttle, but it was probably very close to full throttle.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

i'd bet you are wrong that lefts on red are never allowed.  you just think
they are not allowed as the circumstances are particular and you may never
have encountered them

imagine you are traveling southbound on a southbound one way street.  you
come to a red light at the intersection of an eastbound one way street.
now your left on red is equivalent to a right on red and it is therefore
likely permitted.  i know it is this way in the state of georgia and i'd
guess in north carolina as well


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:44 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 I'm very familiar with the part of NC traffic law that allows right turn
 on red after full stop and sure way is clear - left on red NOT allowed.
  When I lived in California (last was 35 years ago), I followed CA traffic
 laws; during 60+ years of driving in NC, I've tried to follow NC traffic
 laws. ;)

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield
 ernestb@BackYardEngineering.**ORG

 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 9:47 PM

 Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)


  if the law in most places is like what i'm familiar with in California,
 the law doesn't say anything about right or left.
 what it says here is that you can make a turn on a red light after a
 full and complete stop if you can start from a lane nearest the curb and
 end in the lane nearest the (same) curb.

 to the original posters question; you'll have to check the regs where
 you are to determine what qualifies as requiring documentation; it varies
 greatly with locale.
 as a bicyclist and motorcyclist, i don't see any use for a scooter
 beyond the possibility of extremely short trips around town. my experience
 around them is that they can't really be ridden like a bicycle, and i
 don't consider them as safe as either a motorcycle or a bicycle since they
 have enough power to get you into trouble, but the small/inexpensive ones
 don't have the braking or handling to get you out of it.

 i'd encourage you to keep riding the bicycle if you can (it's better
 for you!).
 if you need to extend your range somewhat, consider a small
 motorcycle... but be sure you do the math if you're thinking of it as a
 cost saving device; getting dressed to ride safely is going to cost more
 than some people here will spend on a car, and the cost of keeping good
 tires on a motorcycle might surprise some people.


 cheers!
 e


 On 05/Oct/13 13:47, Mitch Haley wrote:

 Most places you can turn left on red onto a one way street.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

ok, but if you are going from place to place in a flat area? say like a 10
mile ride?  you'd average what?  at least 20, no?


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 11:20 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:

 30-34mph if I'm in 100% sprint mode.


 Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
 '98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi)


 On 10/5/2013 5:38 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

 not really.  zippy probably does about 20 to 25 on his bike which is
 probably about what this scooter might do with me on it


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Re: [MBZ] question for scooter guy (or anyone else)

2013-10-05 Thread Benz Hogs

If I'm commuting to work or a lesson, no, then more like 16-17. I don't 
wanna arrive sweaty to my clients


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi)

On 10/5/2013 11:22 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

ok, but if you are going from place to place in a flat area? say like a 10
mile ride?  you'd average what?  at least 20, no?


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