Re: [MBZ] 240D

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've got class 8pm to 1am next week which I hate. I'll be tired but it will be 
hard to sleep at 1 and I probably won't be able to sleep much past 8. Gonna try 
to get a nap each afternoon...
Curt

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  On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 6:18 PM, Bob Rentfro via 
Mercedes wrote:   Last night I stayed up until almost 
midnight waiting to go fetch SIL from the ER after having heat stroke on his 
UPS route.  I was a yawning, tired mess, but he was in worse shape. He took 4 
bags of fluid and felt much better, I was still tired. 
And, I’m sure youz guyz can relate to this, even after hitting the hay at 0100 
I was still up, sans alarm, at 0515 like normal. 

AZBob

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> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 19/07/2024 4:01 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Just had a conversation last night over beers about the laziness and 
>> apparent lack of motivation in today's young generations. Definitely an old 
>> man topic. LOL.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
> I am more concerned about my own laziness and lack of motivation than I am in 
> that of the young folks. I find it difficult to motivate myself to do things 
> after our evening meal. I used to accomplish stuff after supper but not so 
> much any more.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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Last night I stayed up until almost midnight waiting to go fetch SIL from the 
ER after having heat stroke on his UPS route.  I was a yawning, tired mess, but 
he was in worse shape. He took 4 bags of fluid and felt much better, I was 
still tired. 
And, I’m sure youz guyz can relate to this, even after hitting the hay at 0100 
I was still up, sans alarm, at 0515 like normal. 

AZBob

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> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 19/07/2024 4:01 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Just had a conversation last night over beers about the laziness and 
>> apparent lack of motivation in today's young generations. Definitely an old 
>> man topic. LOL.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
> I am more concerned about my own laziness and lack of motivation than I am in 
> that of the young folks. I find it difficult to motivate myself to do things 
> after our evening meal. I used to accomplish stuff after supper but not so 
> much any more.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Yes, maybe. I am usually tired by evening. Old and out of shape! 
(although, I believe, that "round" is a shape).


Randy


On 19/07/2024 4:52 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

That’s probably more physiological than age-related.

I don’t have a problem with motivation, I can get sidetracked, and that causes 
more delays than anything else.

-D


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wrote:

On 19/07/2024 4:01 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Just had a conversation last night over beers about the laziness and apparent 
lack of motivation in today's young generations. Definitely an old man topic. 
LOL.

Allan


I am more concerned about my own laziness and lack of motivation than I am in 
that of the young folks. I find it difficult to motivate myself to do things 
after our evening meal. I used to accomplish stuff after supper but not so much 
any more.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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That’s probably more physiological than age-related.

I don’t have a problem with motivation, I can get sidetracked, and that causes 
more delays than anything else.

-D

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 19/07/2024 4:01 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Just had a conversation last night over beers about the laziness and 
>> apparent lack of motivation in today's young generations. Definitely an old 
>> man topic. LOL.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
> I am more concerned about my own laziness and lack of motivation than I am in 
> that of the young folks. I find it difficult to motivate myself to do things 
> after our evening meal. I used to accomplish stuff after supper but not so 
> much any more.
> 
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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On 19/07/2024 4:01 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Just had a conversation last night over beers about the laziness and apparent 
lack of motivation in today's young generations. Definitely an old man topic. 
LOL.

Allan

I am more concerned about my own laziness and lack of motivation than I 
am in that of the young folks. I find it difficult to motivate myself to 
do things after our evening meal. I used to accomplish stuff after 
supper but not so much any more.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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Just had a conversation last night over beers about the laziness and apparent 
lack of motivation in today's young generations. Definitely an old man topic. 
LOL.

Allan

On Fri, Jul 19, 2024, at 16:52, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> Inching towards geezerdom.
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 1:26 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Some more-so than others. Frankly, we have begun to worry about you.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>>> On 19/07/2024 2:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I think everyone here is aging to a certain extent.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  
> wrote:
 
 
 Who are the members who aren't aging?
 
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:50 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
That’s right.
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:47 PM, dan penoff.com 
via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> Send all the aging members out to the Back40?
>
> Like the Inuit who put them on an ice floe and let them drift off?
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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Inching towards geezerdom.

AZBob

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> On Jul 19, 2024, at 1:26 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Some more-so than others. Frankly, we have begun to worry about you.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
>> On 19/07/2024 2:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I think everyone here is aging to a certain extent.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Who are the members who aren't aging?
>>> 
 On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:50 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>>That’s right.
>>> 
>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:47 PM, dan penoff.com 
>>>via Mercedes  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Send all the aging members out to the Back40?
>>>>
>>>> Like the Inuit who put them on an ice floe and let them drift off?
>>>>
>>>> -D
>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Some more-so than others. Frankly, we have begun to worry about you.

Randy


On 19/07/2024 2:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I think everyone here is aging to a certain extent.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
 wrote:



Who are the members who aren't aging?

On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:50 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:


That’s right.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:47 PM, dan penoff.com 
via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> Send all the aging members out to the Back40?
>
> Like the Inuit who put them on an ice floe and let them drift off?
>
> -D
> 


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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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I think everyone here is aging to a certain extent. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 19, 2024, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:Who are the members who aren't aging?On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:50 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  wrote:That’s right. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:47 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Send all the aging members out to the Back40?
> 
> Like the Inuit who put them on an ice floe and let them drift off?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Hahahaha. I think that should be my next business venture.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I already have a  life.  It's called Okiebenz Senior Living.
>>> 
 On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:22 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 You need to get a life, buddy.
 
 
 
 -D
 
> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I will be up all night tossing and turning.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:09 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I’ll know in the morning.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024, at 13:32, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 Interesting color, not quite china blue.
>>> 
>>> Phoenix sun bleaching?
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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Who are the members who aren't aging?

On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:50 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That’s right.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:47 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Send all the aging members out to the Back40?
> >
> > Like the Inuit who put them on an ice floe and let them drift off?
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hahahaha. I think that should be my next business venture.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I already have a  life.  It's called Okiebenz Senior Living.
> >>>
>  On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:22 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  You need to get a life, buddy.
> 
>  
> 
>  -D
> 
> > On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I will be up all night tossing and turning.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:09 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I’ll know in the morning.
> >>
> >> AZBob
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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> >>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024, at 13:32, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  Interesting color, not quite china blue.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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That’s right. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:47 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Send all the aging members out to the Back40?
> 
> Like the Inuit who put them on an ice floe and let them drift off?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hahahaha. I think that should be my next business venture.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I already have a  life.  It's called Okiebenz Senior Living.
>>> 
 On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:22 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 You need to get a life, buddy.
 
 
 
 -D
 
> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I will be up all night tossing and turning.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:09 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I’ll know in the morning.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024, at 13:32, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 Interesting color, not quite china blue.
>>> 
>>> Phoenix sun bleaching?
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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Send all the aging members out to the Back40?

Like the Inuit who put them on an ice floe and let them drift off?

-D

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Hahahaha. I think that should be my next business venture.
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I already have a  life.  It's called Okiebenz Senior Living.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:22 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You need to get a life, buddy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I will be up all night tossing and turning.
 
 On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:09 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> I’ll know in the morning.
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024, at 13:32, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
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Hahahaha. I think that should be my next business venture.


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>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:22 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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>> You need to get a life, buddy.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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>>> I will be up all night tossing and turning.
>>> 
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>>> 
 I’ll know in the morning.
 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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I already have a  life.  It's called Okiebenz Senior Living.

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> You need to get a life, buddy.
>
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> -D
>
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> >> I’ll know in the morning.
> >>
> >> AZBob
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024, at 13:32, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

You need to get a life, buddy.



-D

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> I will be up all night tossing and turning.
> 
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>> I’ll know in the morning.
>> 
>> AZBob
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024, at 13:32, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 Interesting color, not quite china blue.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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I will be up all night tossing and turning.

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> I’ll know in the morning.
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> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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I’ll know in the morning. 

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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On Fri, Jul 19, 2024, at 13:32, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Interesting color, not quite china blue.

Phoenix sun bleaching?

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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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The young fella called me and said he wasn’t expecting to get a call on it. 
Labels himself a “Mercedes Enthusiast” and he was really surprised how good of 
shape it’s in.  Starts right up, drives, stops, “sounds right”. He said one of 
his ham-handed underlings punched the hole in the grill. 
He told me I will likely be the old person there to check it out since nearly 
100% of the people he deals with want late model Hondas and Toyotas. 
He said he will meet me at the gate in the morning and he’s glad it “will be 
going to someone who knows what it is.” 
Slow your roll, hot rod. Let me at least look at it first. 

AZBob

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> On Jul 19, 2024, at 11:02 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> And it’s a late model, too! 1998!
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 10:35 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s baby blue, not sure what the official color is called.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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 On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interesting color, not quite china blue. Could be a respray or it could be 
>>> just the camera...
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 01:05:20 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I just randomly saw this:
>>> 
>>> https://offerup.co/ZmnJPlDBmLb
>>> 
>>> Have to go check that out I feel. Cannot believe the AC is cold.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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And it’s a late model, too! 1998!

-D

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 10:35 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> It’s baby blue, not sure what the official color is called.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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>> 
>> Interesting color, not quite china blue. Could be a respray or it could be 
>> just the camera...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 01:05:20 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I just randomly saw this:
>> 
>> https://offerup.co/ZmnJPlDBmLb
>> 
>> Have to go check that out I feel. Cannot believe the AC is cold.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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It’s baby blue, not sure what the official color is called.

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> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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> 
> Interesting color, not quite china blue. Could be a respray or it could be 
> just the camera...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 01:05:20 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> I just randomly saw this:
> 
> https://offerup.co/ZmnJPlDBmLb
> 
> Have to go check that out I feel. Cannot believe the AC is cold.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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Interesting color, not quite china blue. Could be a respray or it could be just 
the camera...

-Curt




On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 01:05:20 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





I just randomly saw this:

https://offerup.co/ZmnJPlDBmLb

Have to go check that out I feel. Cannot believe the AC is cold.

AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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Let me what you find out. I might be game if you are not.

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> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:09 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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> I figured you'd be.
> The dude is a tow yard/impound. His message on VM said to be at the yard at 
> 0830 in the morning to be able to look at. We are phone tagging at the moment.
> 
> AZBob
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> I am highly interested in that.
> 
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>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 11:59 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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>> I just randomly saw this:
>> 
>> https://offerup.co/ZmnJPlDBmLb
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>> Have to go check that out I feel. Cannot believe the AC is cold.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I figured you'd be.
The dude is a tow yard/impound. His message on VM said to be at the yard at 
0830 in the morning to be able to look at. We are phone tagging at the moment.

AZBob


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I am highly interested in that.

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> On Jul 19, 2024, at 11:59 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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> I just randomly saw this:
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> Have to go check that out I feel. Cannot believe the AC is cold.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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I am highly interested in that. 

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> On Jul 19, 2024, at 11:59 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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> I just randomly saw this:
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[MBZ] 240D

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I just randomly saw this:

https://offerup.co/ZmnJPlDBmLb

Have to go check that out I feel. Cannot believe the AC is cold.

AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] 240D engines

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> Are the pencil plugs the same size as the old style? IE - are the threads the 
> same? Do they just screw in or is some form of adapter required?

No.  There are special pencil-style plugs that fit in the old loop-style holes.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 240D engines

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Are the pencil plugs the same size as the old style? IE - are the 
threads the same? Do they just screw in or is some form of adapter required?


Randy

On 08/02/2024 12:02 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 20:26:13 + (UTC) Curt Raymond
 wrote:


Did you need a different controller for pencil plugs or could you just
rewire them?

I used a new, different controller.


Craig




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Re: [MBZ] 240D engines

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On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 20:26:13 + (UTC) Curt Raymond
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> Did you need a different controller for pencil plugs or could you just
> rewire them?

I used a new, different controller.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D engines

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that was a southern Car. Georgia & NC

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> Did you need a different controller for pencil plugs or could you just
> rewire them?
>
> When I bought Dwight's '78 240D it had been cleverly converted to pencil
> plugs by installing pencil plugs and adding a button on the dash that
> triggered a Ford starter solenoid. Unfortunately whoever had wired it still
> series wired the plugs and with only 10ga wire I don't think the forward
> most one was heating up much. Used to have to hold the button for 30-40
> seconds for good starting.
>
> I made new wires from the relay to each plug, still in 10ga and a heavy,
> iirc 6ga wire from the relay to the battery. After that one melted on the
> exhaust manifold and made an exciting show of sparks I added an inline fuse
> too, well after I replaced the wire.
>
> Went from 30-40 seconds of preheat required to 10-15...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 10:09:23 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes <
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 19:47:28 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Someone refresh my memory. Difference between a 1980 and a 1982 240D
> > engine. I know the HP increased a little after certain years. When did
> > the switch to pencil glow plugs happen?
>
> IIRC, the middle of 1982.
>
> You can (could) get pencil plugs to replace loop plugs, along with the
> new controller to run them.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D engines

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Did you need a different controller for pencil plugs or could you just rewire 
them?

When I bought Dwight's '78 240D it had been cleverly converted to pencil plugs 
by installing pencil plugs and adding a button on the dash that triggered a 
Ford starter solenoid. Unfortunately whoever had wired it still series wired 
the plugs and with only 10ga wire I don't think the forward most one was 
heating up much. Used to have to hold the button for 30-40 seconds for good 
starting.

I made new wires from the relay to each plug, still in 10ga and a heavy, iirc 
6ga wire from the relay to the battery. After that one melted on the exhaust 
manifold and made an exciting show of sparks I added an inline fuse too, well 
after I replaced the wire.

Went from 30-40 seconds of preheat required to 10-15...

-Curt


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 wrote: 





On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 19:47:28 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Someone refresh my memory. Difference between a 1980 and a 1982 240D
> engine. I know the HP increased a little after certain years. When did
> the switch to pencil glow plugs happen?

IIRC, the middle of 1982.

You can (could) get pencil plugs to replace loop plugs, along with the
new controller to run them.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D engines

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On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 22:57:42 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
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> I guess I never mailed that…. Perhaps I will remember when I get back
> home. 

Should I remind you?


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Re: [MBZ] 240D engines

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I guess I never mailed that…. Perhaps I will remember when I get back home. 

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> On Feb 6, 2024, at 10:41 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 21:10:03 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Do you recall what the HP increase was?
> 
> I think it was about 6 HP, but I'm not sure.
> 
> The manuals I gave you with the 240D/3.0 have the information
> _somewhere_ ...
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
>>> On Feb 6, 2024, at 9:09 PM, Craig via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 19:47:28 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Someone refresh my memory. Difference between a 1980 and a 1982 240D
 engine. I know the HP increased a little after certain years. When
 did the switch to pencil glow plugs happen?
>>> 
>>> IIRC, the middle of 1982.
>>> 
>>> You can (could) get pencil plugs to replace loop plugs, along with the
>>> new controller to run them.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D engines

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On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 21:10:03 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Do you recall what the HP increase was?

I think it was about 6 HP, but I'm not sure.

The manuals I gave you with the 240D/3.0 have the information
_somewhere_ ...


Craig


> > On Feb 6, 2024, at 9:09 PM, Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 19:47:28 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> Someone refresh my memory. Difference between a 1980 and a 1982 240D
> >> engine. I know the HP increased a little after certain years. When
> >> did the switch to pencil glow plugs happen?
> > 
> > IIRC, the middle of 1982.
> > 
> > You can (could) get pencil plugs to replace loop plugs, along with the
> > new controller to run them.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D engines

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Do you recall what the HP increase was?

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> On Feb 6, 2024, at 9:09 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 19:47:28 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Someone refresh my memory. Difference between a 1980 and a 1982 240D
>> engine. I know the HP increased a little after certain years. When did
>> the switch to pencil glow plugs happen?
> 
> IIRC, the middle of 1982.
> 
> You can (could) get pencil plugs to replace loop plugs, along with the
> new controller to run them.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 240D engines

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 19:47:28 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Someone refresh my memory. Difference between a 1980 and a 1982 240D
> engine. I know the HP increased a little after certain years. When did
> the switch to pencil glow plugs happen?

IIRC, the middle of 1982.

You can (could) get pencil plugs to replace loop plugs, along with the
new controller to run them.


Craig

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[MBZ] 240D engines

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Someone refresh my memory. Difference between a 1980 and a 1982 240D engine. I 
know the HP increased a little after certain years. When did the switch to 
pencil glow plugs happen?

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Re: [MBZ] 240D on BAT

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Yes but IMO not worth it for what it is.


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> SOLD…$6.5K
>
> In today’s world, not insane. 
>
> AZBob
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>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Manila beige local car.  If anyone is seriously interested in bidding I can
>> try to arrange an in-person inspection.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D on BAT

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

SOLD…$6.5K

In today’s world, not insane. 

AZBob

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[MBZ] 240D on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Manila beige local car.  If anyone is seriously interested in bidding I can
try to arrange an in-person inspection.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-mercedes-benz-240d-22/
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Crap Shoot

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Check for all fluids and then trailer it home.  A cheap toy that can turn
into a moneymaker.

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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1693983347712571/
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>
>
> H……
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[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1693983347712571/ H…… AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

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[MBZ] 240d valve cover gaskets

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

I have two Victor Reinz 240d valve cover gaskets free to anyone that wants pay 
shipping.  
Happy Holidays
Mike. 


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Re: [MBZ] 240D 30,000 dollars

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oh OK. thanks for clarifying that.

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> Back to 8100.
>
> It sounds like BAT chose to override his bid.
> I'm thinking he meant to place a $30k proxy bid, eBay style.
> The problem is that the auction is now destroyed, if bidders think
> there's no point in bidding because somebody else is prepared to bid
> $30k.
>
> May 14 at 11:53 AM
> bringatrailer
> @roedermark – Please check that amount and try bidding again.
>
> May 14 at 11:53 AM
> The bid of $30,000 was canceled by BaT
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 30,000 dollars

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you can certainly try. Wonder if it was the stick?

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> I guess that 85 Turbo I just picked up that is nicer with less miles
> should be worth 40-50k on BAT?
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 30,000 dollars

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Back to 8100.

It sounds like BAT chose to override his bid.
I'm thinking he meant to place a $30k proxy bid, eBay style.
The problem is that the auction is now destroyed, if bidders think 
there's no point in bidding because somebody else is prepared to bid 
$30k.


May 14 at 11:53 AM
bringatrailer
@roedermark – Please check that amount and try bidding again.

May 14 at 11:53 AM
The bid of $30,000 was canceled by BaT


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Re: [MBZ] 240D 30,000 dollars

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I was interested until...

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> Ridiculous for a car with 150K miles and boring color combo.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 30,000 dollars

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On 2022-05-14 09:43, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I guess that 85 Turbo I just picked up that is nicer with less miles
should be worth 40-50k on BAT?



Does it have a 4 speed manual transmission?

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Re: [MBZ] 240D 30,000 dollars

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Ridiculous for a car with 150K miles and boring color combo.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D 30,000 dollars

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I guess that 85 Turbo I just picked up that is nicer with less miles should be 
worth 40-50k on BAT?

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[MBZ] 240D 30,000 dollars

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-mercedes-benz-240d-43/

WHAT?
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starter

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Happily, the solenoid can be easily replaced without removing the starter
from the car. Especially on a 240D. I have done this on my 300D W115.

> On Apr 26, 2022, at 8:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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>
> This really nice dark red on dark red 83 240D I have seems to have a
starter issue.  I have only started it up briefly to move it around.
Lately sometimes the starter just clicks.  I hit the key a few times and it
goes.  Also, after shutting the engine down, starter it still spinning but
not engaged to the flywheel.  Just freewheeling.  I have to unhook the
battery to stop it.  If I whack it with a hammer it stops.  I guess
something with the solenoid is sticking?  Probably need to replace it as
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starter

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

And a Cummins, deal.

On 4/26/2022 8:16 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

I’ll give you $505.

AZBob

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On Apr 26, 2022, at 5:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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The contact disc in the solenoid is stuck/welded. Time for a rebuilt starter.

It’s a POS, so you can sell it to me for $500.

-D


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This really nice dark red on dark red 83 240D I have seems to have a starter 
issue.  I have only started it up briefly to move it around.  Lately sometimes 
the starter just clicks.  I hit the key a few times and it goes.  Also, after 
shutting the engine down, starter it still spinning but not engaged to the 
flywheel.  Just freewheeling.  I have to unhook the battery to stop it.  If I 
whack it with a hammer it stops.  I guess something with the solenoid is 
sticking?  Probably need to replace it as well.  I know the alternator needs to 
be replaced because with the key off the battery light stays on, key turned on, 
light goes off.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D starter

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I’ll give you $505. 

AZBob

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> On Apr 26, 2022, at 5:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The contact disc in the solenoid is stuck/welded. Time for a rebuilt starter.
> 
> It’s a POS, so you can sell it to me for $500.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2022, at 8:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This really nice dark red on dark red 83 240D I have seems to have a starter 
>> issue.  I have only started it up briefly to move it around.  Lately 
>> sometimes the starter just clicks.  I hit the key a few times and it goes.  
>> Also, after shutting the engine down, starter it still spinning but not 
>> engaged to the flywheel.  Just freewheeling.  I have to unhook the battery 
>> to stop it.  If I whack it with a hammer it stops.  I guess something with 
>> the solenoid is sticking?  Probably need to replace it as well.  I know the 
>> alternator needs to be replaced because with the key off the battery light 
>> stays on, key turned on, light goes off.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starter

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The contact disc in the solenoid is stuck/welded. Time for a rebuilt starter.

It’s a POS, so you can sell it to me for $500.

-D

> On Apr 26, 2022, at 8:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> This really nice dark red on dark red 83 240D I have seems to have a starter 
> issue.  I have only started it up briefly to move it around.  Lately 
> sometimes the starter just clicks.  I hit the key a few times and it goes.  
> Also, after shutting the engine down, starter it still spinning but not 
> engaged to the flywheel.  Just freewheeling.  I have to unhook the battery to 
> stop it.  If I whack it with a hammer it stops.  I guess something with the 
> solenoid is sticking?  Probably need to replace it as well.  I know the 
> alternator needs to be replaced because with the key off the battery light 
> stays on, key turned on, light goes off.
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[MBZ] 240D starter

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

This really nice dark red on dark red 83 240D I have seems to have a 
starter issue.  I have only started it up briefly to move it around.  
Lately sometimes the starter just clicks.  I hit the key a few times and 
it goes.  Also, after shutting the engine down, starter it still 
spinning but not engaged to the flywheel.  Just freewheeling.  I have to 
unhook the battery to stop it.  If I whack it with a hammer it stops.  I 
guess something with the solenoid is sticking?  Probably need to replace 
it as well.  I know the alternator needs to be replaced because with the 
key off the battery light stays on, key turned on, light goes off.


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Re: [MBZ] 240d won’t shift

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

This has happened to me as well.  Very frustrating to get stuck between
gears...

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 4:31 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> https://mercedessource.com/problems/transmission/manual-transmission-shift-linkage-binding
>
> I know - Kent and Mercedessource, but it has some information. Most of
> what I could find on the net suggests linkage issues and possibly broken
> or missing shifter bushings.
> Several posts of lists but not much advising as to the resolution of the
> problem.
>
> Randy
>
>
>
> On 14/10/2021 2:40 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > I’m in the process of moving cars out of the shop so I can clean and
> organize things then get both my lifts up and going. It is ridiculous how
> much crap I got piled up around here. It may get to the point I just want
> to get rid of all these parts I got stacked up everywhere. Anyway, It
> appears it is in reverse and when I pushed the clutch pedal in initially it
> did not seem to what to go. It hit s certain point then stopped. I got it
> to go the rest of the way and it didn’t seem to want to return. Eventually
> pedal seemed to operate normally but the shifter is toward the left and
> will only move up and down. It won’t move at all with the engine running.
> It will only seem to go into neutral or reverse. In order to get it into
> reverse I have to shut the engine off, shift to reverse, then push pedal in
> and start it. Letting clutch out works like normal and we reverse. Push it
> back in and it will not shift out of reverse unless I shut engine off. Any
> ideas? Shifter won’t move to the right at all. Car has been sitting in the
> shop for probably 3-4 years but fired right up. Pic attached showing the
> prized vehicles of Okie acres. At least 3 of them. All 3 are dusty from but
> are all very nice examples. Unfortunately they will be parked outside for a
> few weeks while I clean out the shop and install the lift.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 240d won’t shift

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I’m going to have to get it up on the lift when I get the lift done. It was 
shifting fine when parked but I think the linkage or something has frozen up 
from sitting. 

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> On Oct 14, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://mercedessource.com/problems/transmission/manual-transmission-shift-linkage-binding
> 
> I know - Kent and Mercedessource, but it has some information. Most of what I 
> could find on the net suggests linkage issues and possibly broken or missing 
> shifter bushings.
> Several posts of lists but not much advising as to the resolution of the 
> problem.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> 
>> On 14/10/2021 2:40 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m in the process of moving cars out of the shop so I can clean and 
>> organize things then get both my lifts up and going. It is ridiculous how 
>> much crap I got piled up around here. It may get to the point I just want to 
>> get rid of all these parts I got stacked up everywhere. Anyway, It appears 
>> it is in reverse and when I pushed the clutch pedal in initially it did not 
>> seem to what to go. It hit s certain point then stopped. I got it to go the 
>> rest of the way and it didn’t seem to want to return. Eventually pedal 
>> seemed to operate normally but the shifter is toward the left and will only 
>> move up and down. It won’t move at all with the engine running. It will only 
>> seem to go into neutral or reverse. In order to get it into reverse I have 
>> to shut the engine off, shift to reverse, then push pedal in and start it. 
>> Letting clutch out works like normal and we reverse. Push it back in and it 
>> will not shift out of reverse unless I shut engine off. Any ideas? Shifter 
>> won’t move to the right at all. Car has been sitting in the shop for 
>> probably 3-4 years but fired right up. Pic attached showing the prized 
>> vehicles of Okie acres. At least 3 of them. All 3 are dusty from but are all 
>> very nice examples. Unfortunately they will be parked outside for a few 
>> weeks while I clean out the shop and install the lift.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240d won’t shift

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

https://mercedessource.com/problems/transmission/manual-transmission-shift-linkage-binding

I know - Kent and Mercedessource, but it has some information. Most of 
what I could find on the net suggests linkage issues and possibly broken 
or missing shifter bushings.
Several posts of lists but not much advising as to the resolution of the 
problem.


Randy



On 14/10/2021 2:40 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I’m in the process of moving cars out of the shop so I can clean and organize 
things then get both my lifts up and going. It is ridiculous how much crap I 
got piled up around here. It may get to the point I just want to get rid of all 
these parts I got stacked up everywhere. Anyway, It appears it is in reverse 
and when I pushed the clutch pedal in initially it did not seem to what to go. 
It hit s certain point then stopped. I got it to go the rest of the way and it 
didn’t seem to want to return. Eventually pedal seemed to operate normally but 
the shifter is toward the left and will only move up and down. It won’t move at 
all with the engine running. It will only seem to go into neutral or reverse. 
In order to get it into reverse I have to shut the engine off, shift to 
reverse, then push pedal in and start it. Letting clutch out works like normal 
and we reverse. Push it back in and it will not shift out of reverse unless I 
shut engine off. Any ideas? Shifter won’t move to the right at all. Car has 
been sitting in the shop for probably 3-4 years but fired right up. Pic 
attached showing the prized vehicles of Okie acres. At least 3 of them. All 3 
are dusty from but are all very nice examples. Unfortunately they will be 
parked outside for a few weeks while I clean out the shop and install the lift.


  


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[MBZ] 240d won’t shift

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I’m in the process of moving cars out of the shop so I can clean and organize 
things then get both my lifts up and going. It is ridiculous how much crap I 
got piled up around here. It may get to the point I just want to get rid of all 
these parts I got stacked up everywhere. Anyway, It appears it is in reverse 
and when I pushed the clutch pedal in initially it did not seem to what to go. 
It hit s certain point then stopped. I got it to go the rest of the way and it 
didn’t seem to want to return. Eventually pedal seemed to operate normally but 
the shifter is toward the left and will only move up and down. It won’t move at 
all with the engine running. It will only seem to go into neutral or reverse. 
In order to get it into reverse I have to shut the engine off, shift to 
reverse, then push pedal in and start it. Letting clutch out works like normal 
and we reverse. Push it back in and it will not shift out of reverse unless I 
shut engine off. Any ideas? Shifter won’t move to the right at all. Car has 
been sitting in the shop for probably 3-4 years but fired right up. Pic 
attached showing the prized vehicles of Okie acres. At least 3 of them. All 3 
are dusty from but are all very nice examples. Unfortunately they will be 
parked outside for a few weeks while I clean out the shop and install the lift. 

 

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Re: [MBZ] 240D

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Hubcaps alone are probably worth close to $500.

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> https://nh.craigslist.org/pts/d/bow-1981-mercedes/7336204156.html
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[MBZ] 240D

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

https://nh.craigslist.org/pts/d/bow-1981-mercedes/7336204156.html

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[MBZ] 240D shifter

[John Ingram via Mercedes]

Rick, That is not unreasonable, I’ll try to find a shifter first then that. He 
has a lot of work and likes to choose what he wants to do.
JI


[Have the Indy take the old shifter off, help him push the car out the door, 
have him install new bushings, help him push the car back in, reinstall the 
shifter.

Probably take longer to move the car than fix it.
Or option B, find a new Indy.]

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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4-speed

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> > The shifter is loose and the reverse lockout is gone. The mechanic doesn’t 
> > want to take the shifter apart because it will make the car  unmovable 
> > unless you push it.

Have the Indy take the old shifter off, help him push the car out the door, 
have him install new bushings, help him push the car back in, reinstall the 
shifter.

Probably take longer to move the car than fix it.
Or option B, find a new Indy.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4-speed

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Classic Center?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Jun 5, 2021, 10:40 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Have you called SoCal Mercedes or checked on ebay?
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 10:48 PM John Ingram via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The shifter is loose and the reverse lockout is gone.  The mechanic
> > doesn’t want to take the shifter apart because it will make the car
> > unmovable unless you push it.  I’d like to get a shifter and rebuild it
> and
> > then switch them. The problem is now finding a shifter.
> >
> > John I.
> >
> > > On Jun 4, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Jim Cathey 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > How worn-out?  There are replaceable bushings inside the shifter, IIRC.
> > >
> > > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4-speed

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Have you called SoCal Mercedes or checked on ebay?

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 10:48 PM John Ingram via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The shifter is loose and the reverse lockout is gone.  The mechanic
> doesn’t want to take the shifter apart because it will make the car
> unmovable unless you push it.  I’d like to get a shifter and rebuild it and
> then switch them. The problem is now finding a shifter.
>
> John I.
>
> > On Jun 4, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> >
> > How worn-out?  There are replaceable bushings inside the shifter, IIRC.
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4-speed

[John Ingram via Mercedes]

The shifter is loose and the reverse lockout is gone.  The mechanic doesn’t 
want to take the shifter apart because it will make the car unmovable unless 
you push it.  I’d like to get a shifter and rebuild it and then switch them. 
The problem is now finding a shifter.

John I.

> On Jun 4, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> How worn-out?  There are replaceable bushings inside the shifter, IIRC.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4-speed

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How worn-out?  There are replaceable bushings inside the shifter, IIRC.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] 240D 4-speed

[John Ingram via Mercedes]

I did not try to fix the 4-speed shifter, the local mbz mechanic fixed one of 
the rod ends and thinks it’s OK.  I would like to find a 4 speed shifter to 
replace the worn out one in the car.  Does anyone know where I can find one?  
83 240D 4-speed 123 chassis.

 Thank you,
John Ingram
83 240D 320+K miles
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4-speed

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I like that one - might have to make a set!

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 6:31 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> There is also these with the removable ramp.
>
>
> On 11/05/2021 12:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >   One of my favorite things about a 240D is that it'll easily drive up
> onto a set of ramps. Mine are also old Sears ramps. To get my Jetta up on
> ramps requires 3 pieces of 2x6 to make a ramp so the front air dam doesn't
> hit.
> > -Curt
> >
> >  On Tuesday, May 11, 2021, 12:26:47 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >   > I don’t have a safe way to [get under the car], may need to take it
> to a shop
> >
> > A set of ramps is usually pretty easy.  Son just welded the muffler back
> on
> > the 190D using a set of green pressed steel ramps.  (Old Sears product?)
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4-speed

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Silver Star is a good indy shop in Vienna.  Ask for Peter.

On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 3:02 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> I have posted photos before of a set of ramps that I made out of 3/4"
> plywood. I didn't invent them. They were a plan in a car magazine way
> back when. I made a taller set back in the early 70's that I used with a
> pickup truck to get it higher. In the 80's or 90's I made another set
> with a more gradual slope to permit me to drive our then Taurus or Sable
> onto them and not take out the front spoiler. The other advantage of
> them is that being a more gradual slope, it is much easier for the car
> to climb them.
>
> Randy
>
> On 11/05/2021 12:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >   One of my favorite things about a 240D is that it'll easily drive up
> onto a set of ramps. Mine are also old Sears ramps. To get my Jetta up on
> ramps requires 3 pieces of 2x6 to make a ramp so the front air dam doesn't
> hit.
> > -Curt
> >
> >  On Tuesday, May 11, 2021, 12:26:47 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >   > I don’t have a safe way to [get under the car], may need to take it
> to a shop
> >
> > A set of ramps is usually pretty easy.  Son just welded the muffler back
> on
> > the 190D using a set of green pressed steel ramps.  (Old Sears product?)
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4-speed

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I have posted photos before of a set of ramps that I made out of 3/4" 
plywood. I didn't invent them. They were a plan in a car magazine way 
back when. I made a taller set back in the early 70's that I used with a 
pickup truck to get it higher. In the 80's or 90's I made another set 
with a more gradual slope to permit me to drive our then Taurus or Sable 
onto them and not take out the front spoiler. The other advantage of 
them is that being a more gradual slope, it is much easier for the car 
to climb them.


Randy

On 11/05/2021 12:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  One of my favorite things about a 240D is that it'll easily drive up onto a 
set of ramps. Mine are also old Sears ramps. To get my Jetta up on ramps 
requires 3 pieces of 2x6 to make a ramp so the front air dam doesn't hit.
-Curt

 On Tuesday, May 11, 2021, 12:26:47 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:
  
  > I don’t have a safe way to [get under the car], may need to take it to a shop


A set of ramps is usually pretty easy.  Son just welded the muffler back on
the 190D using a set of green pressed steel ramps.  (Old Sears product?)

-- Jim





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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4-speed

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Is this helpful for stick shift bushings?

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-shift-bushing-installer-baum-tools-b7200

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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4-speed

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 One of my favorite things about a 240D is that it'll easily drive up onto a 
set of ramps. Mine are also old Sears ramps. To get my Jetta up on ramps 
requires 3 pieces of 2x6 to make a ramp so the front air dam doesn't hit.
-Curt

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021, 12:26:47 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > I don’t have a safe way to [get under the car], may need to take it to a shop

A set of ramps is usually pretty easy.  Son just welded the muffler back on
the 190D using a set of green pressed steel ramps.  (Old Sears product?)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4-speed

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Hi John,
It’s not terribly difficult can you definitely need the car raised up a bit
to get under it.  It’s something that’s pretty straightforward on a lift,
so any competent shop should be able to do it if your not up for it.  Just
be sure genuine MB parts are used.  Lots of shops cut corners and use
little pieces of fuel hose, etc instead of waiting for the correct parts.

The bushings in the shifter itself can be done from inside the car, but not
the ones are the shift rods which are most important

Good luck,
Jaime


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>  Jaime,
>
> Thank you, this is the explanation I was hoping for.  I guess I’d need to
> get under the car to do this?  I don’t have a safe way to do that, may need
> to take it to a shop (there is a good one near here). Can the shifter
> bushings be replaced from inside the car?
>
> John Ingram
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4-speed

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I don’t have a safe way to [get under the car], may need to take it to a shop

A set of ramps is usually pretty easy.  Son just welded the muffler back on
the 190D using a set of green pressed steel ramps.  (Old Sears product?)

-- Jim


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[MBZ] 240D 4-speed

[John Ingram via Mercedes]

 Jaime,

Thank you, this is the explanation I was hoping for.  I guess I’d need to get 
under the car to do this?  I don’t have a safe way to do that, may need to take 
it to a shop (there is a good one near here). Can the shifter bushings be 
replaced from inside the car?

John Ingram
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I think Jamie is right. My '85 190D had some weird shifter issues, it's been a 
long time but I remember not being able to find reverse reliably and having to 
push it out of a couple parking spaces. New shifter bushings fixed it.
-Curt

On Monday, May 10, 2021, 9:19:32 PM EDT, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 HI John,
Most likely the bushings on each end of the shift rods (there are three of
them, so 6 bushings) are probably gone.  This causes the levers on the
shifter to end up in odd places and occasionally jam.  There are also
bushing in the shifter itself that can contribute to the problem.  Best
action is to order up all the bushings from the classic center and spend a
weekend rebuilding everything.  You'll be surprised by how nice it can all
be when repaired properly.

Good luck
Jaime


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:07 PM John Ingram via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hello list,
> I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual.  The car has about 330K miles.  I
> was driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck in
> neutral position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed
> the lever and it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I
> headed home and on a hill had to downshift into first and the shifter
> suddenly felt like it was not connected to anything.  The car was still in
> 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out in 3rd and it stalled. I started the
> engine and the shifter and transmission worked normally the rest of the way
> home.  The problem is intermittent, from normal to stuck to normal to
> disconnected to normal.
> Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed?  Any ideas as to what
> it could be?
>
> Thank you
> John Ingram
> Maryland
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4-speed

[Clay via Mercedes]

Welcome back John.

Could be bushings, but hard to say.  I locked up a manny trying to install 
fresh bushings.  Should have been more careful about not letting the 
transmission end arms move.  With wiggly play in the rods, sometimes two gears 
can become engaged.  I had to secure a fresh working trans to swap in.  Never 
did get the locked up one torn down and rebuilt.

clay 

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> On May 10, 2021, at 1:05 PM, John Ingram via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have a ’83 240D 4-speed manual, 300+++ miles.  The shifter is loose and 
> occasionally feels completely disconnected and will not go into any gear. It 
> also locked up in neutral and would not move in any direction.  In between 
> these episodes it works normally.  What is going on? 
> Thank You. 
> John Ingram 
> Maryland
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter

[OK Don via Mercedes]

What Jaime said. I never had one get that bad, but I did replace a bunch of
those bushings over the years ---

On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:19 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> HI John,
> Most likely the bushings on each end of the shift rods (there are three of
> them, so 6 bushings) are probably gone.  This causes the levers on the
> shifter to end up in odd places and occasionally jam.  There are also
> bushing in the shifter itself that can contribute to the problem.  Best
> action is to order up all the bushings from the classic center and spend a
> weekend rebuilding everything.  You'll be surprised by how nice it can all
> be when repaired properly.
>
> Good luck
> Jaime
>
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:07 PM John Ingram via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello list,
> > I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual.  The car has about 330K miles.
> I
> > was driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck
> in
> > neutral position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed
> > the lever and it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I
> > headed home and on a hill had to downshift into first and the shifter
> > suddenly felt like it was not connected to anything.  The car was still
> in
> > 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out in 3rd and it stalled. I started the
> > engine and the shifter and transmission worked normally the rest of the
> way
> > home.  The problem is intermittent, from normal to stuck to normal to
> > disconnected to normal.
> > Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed?  Any ideas as to what
> > it could be?
> >
> > Thank you
> > John Ingram
> > Maryland
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Agreed, I had a Vanagon with a manual and it was hard to find the gears
when I first got it. Replacing all the bushings and following the
service manual procedure to adjust the linkage made a world of
difference.

Allan

Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes  writes:

> HI John,
> Most likely the bushings on each end of the shift rods (there are three of
> them, so 6 bushings) are probably gone.  This causes the levers on the
> shifter to end up in odd places and occasionally jam.  There are also
> bushing in the shifter itself that can contribute to the problem.  Best
> action is to order up all the bushings from the classic center and spend a
> weekend rebuilding everything.  You'll be surprised by how nice it can all
> be when repaired properly.
>
> Good luck
> Jaime
>
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:07 PM John Ingram via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello list,
>> I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual.  The car has about 330K miles.  I
>> was driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck in
>> neutral position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed
>> the lever and it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I
>> headed home and on a hill had to downshift into first and the shifter
>> suddenly felt like it was not connected to anything.  The car was still in
>> 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out in 3rd and it stalled. I started the
>> engine and the shifter and transmission worked normally the rest of the way
>> home.  The problem is intermittent, from normal to stuck to normal to
>> disconnected to normal.
>> Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed?  Any ideas as to what
>> it could be?
>>
>> Thank you
>> John Ingram
>> Maryland

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Happened to my 280SE 3.5 coupe as the tech was backing out of the shop.
Lost all control.  As it occurred at the end of the day and meant they had
to keep the car another day, it was very embarrassing.

On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 9:19 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> HI John,
> Most likely the bushings on each end of the shift rods (there are three of
> them, so 6 bushings) are probably gone.  This causes the levers on the
> shifter to end up in odd places and occasionally jam.  There are also
> bushing in the shifter itself that can contribute to the problem.  Best
> action is to order up all the bushings from the classic center and spend a
> weekend rebuilding everything.  You'll be surprised by how nice it can all
> be when repaired properly.
>
> Good luck
> Jaime
>
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:07 PM John Ingram via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello list,
> > I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual.  The car has about 330K miles.
> I
> > was driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck
> in
> > neutral position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed
> > the lever and it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I
> > headed home and on a hill had to downshift into first and the shifter
> > suddenly felt like it was not connected to anything.  The car was still
> in
> > 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out in 3rd and it stalled. I started the
> > engine and the shifter and transmission worked normally the rest of the
> way
> > home.  The problem is intermittent, from normal to stuck to normal to
> > disconnected to normal.
> > Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed?  Any ideas as to what
> > it could be?
> >
> > Thank you
> > John Ingram
> > Maryland
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

HI John,
Most likely the bushings on each end of the shift rods (there are three of
them, so 6 bushings) are probably gone.  This causes the levers on the
shifter to end up in odd places and occasionally jam.  There are also
bushing in the shifter itself that can contribute to the problem.  Best
action is to order up all the bushings from the classic center and spend a
weekend rebuilding everything.  You'll be surprised by how nice it can all
be when repaired properly.

Good luck
Jaime


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:07 PM John Ingram via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hello list,
> I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual.  The car has about 330K miles.  I
> was driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck in
> neutral position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed
> the lever and it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I
> headed home and on a hill had to downshift into first and the shifter
> suddenly felt like it was not connected to anything.  The car was still in
> 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out in 3rd and it stalled. I started the
> engine and the shifter and transmission worked normally the rest of the way
> home.  The problem is intermittent, from normal to stuck to normal to
> disconnected to normal.
> Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed?  Any ideas as to what
> it could be?
>
> Thank you
> John Ingram
> Maryland
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4-speed

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I'll offer $500, standard Kaleb price.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


May 10, 2021 8:07:23 PM John Ingram via Mercedes :

> I have a ’83 240D 4-speed manual, 300+++ miles.  The shifter is loose and 
> occasionally feels completely disconnected and will not go into any gear. It 
> also locked up in neutral and would not move in any direction.  In between 
> these episodes it works normally.  What is going on?
> Thank You.
> John Ingram
> Maryland
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[MBZ] 240D 4-speed

[John Ingram via Mercedes]

I have a ’83 240D 4-speed manual, 300+++ miles.  The shifter is loose and 
occasionally feels completely disconnected and will not go into any gear. It 
also locked up in neutral and would not move in any direction.  In between 
these episodes it works normally.  What is going on? 
Thank You. 
John Ingram 
Maryland
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[MBZ] 240D Shifter

[John Ingram via Mercedes]

Hello list,
I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual.  The car has about 330K miles.  I was 
driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck in neutral 
position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed the lever and 
it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I headed home and on a 
hill had to downshift into first and the shifter suddenly felt like it was not 
connected to anything.  The car was still in 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out 
in 3rd and it stalled. I started the engine and the shifter and transmission 
worked normally the rest of the way home.  The problem is intermittent, from 
normal to stuck to normal to disconnected to normal.  
Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed?  Any ideas as to what it 
could be?

Thank you 
John Ingram
Maryland
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[MBZ] 240D Shifter Problem

[John Ingram via Mercedes]

Hello list,
I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual.  The car has about 330K miles.  I was 
driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck in neutral 
position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed the lever and 
it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I headed home and on a 
hill had to downshift into first and the shifter suddenly felt like it was not 
connected to anything.  The car was still in 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out 
in 3rd and it stalled. I started the engine and the shifter and transmission 
worked normally the rest of the way home.  The problem is intermittent, from 
normal to stuck to normal to disconnected to normal.  
Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed?  Any ideas as to what it 
could be?

Thank you 
John Ingram
Maryland




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Re: [MBZ] 240D cold weather starting

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

https://www.rockauto.com/en/parts/standard+motor+products,SDN305,starter+drive,4172


Rick

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>Is that a replaceable part? Or you mean replace the starter?


Part of the starter. Back in the day we called it a "Bendix" on old Chevy's, 
because that's who made them.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000C83UIE/?coliid=I2JXQ4PUVZMHKA&colid=2Q9UPIRDJV6VX&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it


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Re: [MBZ] 240D cold weather starting

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Ah yes the Bendix gear

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 9:01 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> >Is that a replaceable part? Or you mean replace the starter?
>
>
> Part of the starter. Back in the day we called it a "Bendix" on old
> Chevy's, because that's who made them.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D cold weather starting

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>Is that a replaceable part? Or you mean replace the starter?


Part of the starter. Back in the day we called it a "Bendix" on old Chevy's, 
because that's who made them.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000C83UIE/?coliid=I2JXQ4PUVZMHKA&colid=2Q9UPIRDJV6VX&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it


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Re: [MBZ] 240D cold weather starting

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The clutch is replaceable, but you have to take the starter off to get to it.  
It's part of the drive gear.



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Re: [MBZ] 240D cold weather starting

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Is that a replaceable part? Or you mean replace the starter?

Allan

Peter Frederick via Mercedes  writes:

> Bad over-running clutch, you need to replace it before it starts kicking out 
> during warm starts too.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D cold weather starting

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Bad over-running clutch, you need to replace it before it starts kicking out 
during warm starts too.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D cold weather starting

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yup, if you quit before it starts it gets progressively harder on each retry. 
Give it everything it's got on that one try.
Curt

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  On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 6:30 PM, Peter Frederick via 
Mercedes wrote:   The real key to cold starting to crank 
until it's actually running, if you stop you won't have enough battery to try 
again without charging it.

I started my 300D a few year back with a weak engine (420k miles) doing that, 
it took about a minute before it was actually running on it's own.  Lotta white 
smoke that turned gray and then black and then fully running.  

You don't use much battery power when it's partially firing, each round gets 
the pre-chamber hotter until the fuel burns properly.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D cold weather starting

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Don't forget to put the go pedal to the floor and crank until it starts or 
quits. My 83 240D would start pretty well down to about -10F. That first winter 
I drove that car we had a week of -20F every frickin night. That was when I 
figured out that a 400W inverter would power the block heater...
Interestingly the Pisten Bully starting procedure is copied from MB which is 
unsurprising I suppose with an MB engine.The ASV is strange and starts harder 
if I hold the go pedal but it does want to be held at high idle for a minute or 
two right after starting.
Cu rt

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 When I got my first 240D-Curt taught me the cold weather way to start 
them.Triple glow and fire off. I fired off my 79 that way at 4F.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.Wickford RI

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 wrote:

My $400 240D I bought has been sitting outside not started for over a week. It 
is currently 13 outside and for grins I wanted to see if it would start. I did 
not figure it would but I glowed it once then as soon as light went out I 
started cranking it. It started hitting and slowest all cylinder started 
firing. Amazing. 

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Re: [MBZ] 240D cold weather starting

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

When I do that on my W116 300SD, the starter disengages after about 10
seconds and seems to just spin free. So it must have a weak solenoid?

Allan

Peter Frederick via Mercedes  writes:

> The real key to cold starting to crank until it's actually running, if you 
> stop you won't have enough battery to try again without charging it.
>
> I started my 300D a few year back with a weak engine (420k miles) doing that, 
> it took about a minute before it was actually running on it's own.  Lotta 
> white smoke that turned gray and then black and then fully running.  
>
> You don't use much battery power when it's partially firing, each round gets 
> the pre-chamber hotter until the fuel burns properly.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D cold weather starting

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On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 16:48:14 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes
 wrote:

> If Kaleb doesn't want it, is it the same heater for an OM617?

Yes, OM616 and OM617 take the same block heater.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D cold weather starting

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The real key to cold starting to crank until it's actually running, if you stop 
you won't have enough battery to try again without charging it.

I started my 300D a few year back with a weak engine (420k miles) doing that, 
it took about a minute before it was actually running on it's own.  Lotta white 
smoke that turned gray and then black and then fully running.  

You don't use much battery power when it's partially firing, each round gets 
the pre-chamber hotter until the fuel burns properly.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D cold weather starting

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

When I got my first 240D-Curt taught me the cold weather way to start them.
Triple glow and fire off. I fired off my 79 that way at 4F.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 4:22 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My $400 240D I bought has been sitting outside not started for over a
> week. It is currently 13 outside and for grins I wanted to see if it would
> start. I did not figure it would but I glowed it once then as soon as light
> went out I started cranking it. It started hitting and slowest all cylinder
> started firing. Amazing.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D cold weather starting

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yes.  Screw in plug.  I don't have the cable.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 4:48 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If Kaleb doesn't want it, is it the same heater for an OM617?
>
> Allan
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > I'll give you a free block heater if you want.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 4:22 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> My $400 240D I bought has been sitting outside not started for over a
> >> week. It is currently 13 outside and for grins I wanted to see if it
> would
> >> start. I did not figure it would but I glowed it once then as soon as
> light
> >> went out I started cranking it. It started hitting and slowest all
> cylinder
> >> started firing. Amazing.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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