Re: [MBZ] 124 Fan project

2011-06-15 Thread Dieselhead 
It quit working at all.  Brushes were el wornouto.  Shot.  Nothing 
left but the springs.   Armature looks very worn.  I opted for a new 
motor via Mr. Q, who comes up with a gizmo for all needs.


The old motor is available for the cost of shipping if anyone wants 
one to rebuild.


Why are you replacing your fan motor? I have noticed that mine in 
the 87 run much much slower than the wifes 91. Brushes?


-Rolf

On 06/11/2011 09:41 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

Nope, just the 5 smaller ones.  You want to leave the 4 big ones in.

I got the fans changed to the new motor.  After I got the right 
combination of search terms, I found a posting  where someone said 
just to turn the fans on the shaft  with plenty penetrating oil 
until one fan spins, then keep turning it while pull it off the 
shaft.  I did that and got one off after many minutes, then  put 
that fan on the right end of the new motor.  Next I clamped that 
end of the shaft in the vise and did the same with the other fan.


As of now, I have the new motor with both fans back in the car, 
clamped down, and ready to test.


So, there are at least 3 little parts missing from the nameless 
forum instruction.  2 if you leave out lubing the in-out mechanism.


The rest is just putting Humpty back together again.




IIRC, which is not likely, both the 2 large screws and the three small ones
have to come out to get the cover off. Yes, the arm had to be moved several
times to get to them. pay very close attention to where everything lines up
for re-assembly.
I don't have any suggestions for the fan problem ---
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Craig  wrote:


 On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:44:28 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

 In case you wondered, Loren, your email is getting out. Unfortunately, I
 don't know the answers to your questions.



 Next question:  The CD does not have anything about lubricating the
 monowiper mechanism.  On the back of the cover, there are 2 large
 screws and 3 smaller screws.  Which one should come out to remove the
 cover for cleaning and lube?  I thought maybe the 2 big ones, but the
 cover didn't seem loose after that.  The 3 small ones can't be
 removed without repositioning the piper several times, so it doesn't
 seem logical that they are what I need to take out.


 I'm pretty sure this has been posted before. Check the archives, maybe?

 And what is the piper?

 >


 > How have others been able to get these fans off?
 >   
 > What is the successful method?  I am contemplating using a dremel to
 > cut off the 1/2 inch or so beyoond the hubs, but I think once I get
 > it broken loose, the hub will move along the shaft ok.

 I would expect that cutting off the 1/2" that is beyond the hubs won't
 help get it loose.


 Craig



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Re: [MBZ] 124 Fan project

2011-06-15 Thread Rolf 
Why are you replacing your fan motor? I have noticed that mine in the 87 
run much much slower than the wifes 91. Brushes?


-Rolf

On 06/11/2011 09:41 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

Nope, just the 5 smaller ones.  You want to leave the 4 big ones in.

I got the fans changed to the new motor.  After I got the right 
combination of search terms, I found a posting  where someone said 
just to turn the fans on the shaft  with plenty penetrating oil until 
one fan spins, then keep turning it while pull it off the shaft.  I 
did that and got one off after many minutes, then  put that fan on the 
right end of the new motor.  Next I clamped that end of the shaft in 
the vise and did the same with the other fan.


As of now, I have the new motor with both fans back in the car, 
clamped down, and ready to test.


So, there are at least 3 little parts missing from the nameless forum 
instruction.  2 if you leave out lubing the in-out mechanism.


The rest is just putting Humpty back together again.




IIRC, which is not likely, both the 2 large screws and the three 
small ones
have to come out to get the cover off. Yes, the arm had to be moved 
several
times to get to them. pay very close attention to where everything 
lines up

for re-assembly.
I don't have any suggestions for the fan problem ---
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Craig  wrote:

 On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:44:28 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


 In case you wondered, Loren, your email is getting out. 
Unfortunately, I

 don't know the answers to your questions.


> Next question:  The CD does not have anything about lubricating the
> monowiper mechanism.  On the back of the cover, there are 2 large
> screws and 3 smaller screws.  Which one should come out to remove the
> cover for cleaning and lube?  I thought maybe the 2 big ones, but the
> cover didn't seem loose after that.  The 3 small ones can't be
> removed without repositioning the piper several times, so it doesn't
> seem logical that they are what I need to take out.

 I'm pretty sure this has been posted before. Check the archives, 
maybe?


 And what is the piper?

>
>
> > How have others been able to get these fans off?
> >   
> > What is the successful method?  I am contemplating using a dremel to
> > cut off the 1/2 inch or so beyoond the hubs, but I think once I get

> it broken loose, the hub will move along the shaft ok.

 I would expect that cutting off the 1/2" that is beyond the hubs won't
 help get it loose.


 Craig



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Re: [MBZ] 124 Fan Project / Always something

2011-06-13 Thread Jim Cathey 

Did I miss any other source of lockout for the starter?


I don't think so, there's not much there.  Just that and all
the wiring.  You can use a jumper on the fender-mount block
to trip the starter more-or-less directly to make sure it's
not the starter itself.  Maybe.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 124 Fan project

2011-06-12 Thread Max Dillon 
I used a kit from Mercedes-Source which included a tool. The tool was the box 
end of a 10 mm wrench welded on to a shaft and bent to fit so you can pound on 
the fan hub to remove. Attached are a couple pictures.

The working end is about two inches after the bend, the other about one inch.

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Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have the fan out. The instructions from the nameless forum are pretty good, 
but don't tell you where the two hidden bolts are for the wiper unit. I have 
been trying to punch the shaft of the old motor out of the plastic fans using a 
long punch and a 20 oz framing hammer. When that did not budge, I tried the 2 
lb LFH, still with no movement. The same technique worked well with the 126 
fan., but it didn't have 1/2 inch of shaft hanging out beyond the fan hub. I 
have polished the shaft ends sticking out. But so far I have not loosened 
either fan hub from the shaft. How have others been able to get these fans off? 
Have you found a puller that worked? Have you made a puller? If so, how? These 
fans are so flimsy, that I am afraid to bear down too hard with the 2 pounder. 
I am giving them substantial whacks. What is the successful method? I am 
contemplating using a dremel to cut off the 1/2 inch or so beyoond the hubs, 
but I think once I get it broken loose, the hub will move along the shaft ok. 
Tell me your tricks, please! P.S. Having the evap so close, it would be nice if 
it could be changed from here, but no way. It is just 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Fan project

2011-06-11 Thread Dieselhead 

Nope, just the 5 smaller ones.  You want to leave the 4 big ones in.

I got the fans changed to the new motor.  After I got the right 
combination of search terms, I found a posting  where someone said 
just to turn the fans on the shaft  with plenty penetrating oil until 
one fan spins, then keep turning it while pull it off the shaft.  I 
did that and got one off after many minutes, then  put that fan on 
the right end of the new motor.  Next I clamped that end of the shaft 
in the vise and did the same with the other fan.


As of now, I have the new motor with both fans back in the car, 
clamped down, and ready to test.


So, there are at least 3 little parts missing from the nameless forum 
instruction.  2 if you leave out lubing the in-out mechanism.


The rest is just putting Humpty back together again.





IIRC, which is not likely, both the 2 large screws and the three small ones
have to come out to get the cover off. Yes, the arm had to be moved several
times to get to them. pay very close attention to where everything lines up
for re-assembly.
I don't have any suggestions for the fan problem ---
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Craig  wrote:


 On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:44:28 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

 In case you wondered, Loren, your email is getting out. Unfortunately, I
 don't know the answers to your questions.


 > Next question:  The CD does not have anything about lubricating the
 > monowiper mechanism.  On the back of the cover, there are 2 large
 > screws and 3 smaller screws.  Which one should come out to remove the
 > cover for cleaning and lube?  I thought maybe the 2 big ones, but the
 > cover didn't seem loose after that.  The 3 small ones can't be
 > removed without repositioning the piper several times, so it doesn't
 > seem logical that they are what I need to take out.

 I'm pretty sure this has been posted before. Check the archives, maybe?

 And what is the piper?

 >
 >
 > > How have others been able to get these fans off?
 > >   
 > > What is the successful method?  I am contemplating using a dremel to
 > > cut off the 1/2 inch or so beyoond the hubs, but I think once I get

 > it broken loose, the hub will move along the shaft ok.

 I would expect that cutting off the 1/2" that is beyond the hubs won't
 help get it loose.


 Craig



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Re: [MBZ] 124 Fan project

2011-06-11 Thread Dieselhead 

Should be the same.  This is 87 300D.


Cool, I wonder if these instructions will work for my '87 wagon? I 
tried once but could not figure it out.


-Max
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Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ja, I figured everyone is in the yard or working on their cars. I 
did figure out the in/out mechanism. The big screws DO stay in 
place. To remove the cover, first you have to take off the 17MM nut 
and washer on the underside, then remove the steel clip on the 
shaft, then remove the crank mechanism. There is a ground washer 
that you need to be sure does not get lost. THe wiper arm shaft has 
to be inthe center of the windshield position in order for the 
mechanism to come off the wiper transmission assembly. This much is 
detailed in Job number 82-0765 (see 
http://www.w124performance.com/service/w124CD2/Program/Chassis/82-0765.pdf 
) Once the mechanism is out, there are 5 smaller screws that hold 
the cover on. Do not remove 4 the larger screws, and they hold the 
rails for the in-out part of the mechanism. Be careful when you take 
off the cover, as there is a delicate foam gasket for the cover than 
you can pull off and keep with the cover. I found hardened grease 
inside. I greased with
Molykote grease and then greased the rack in the transmission 
assembly that the pinion external to the in-out mechanism rides on. 
I then reassembled the transmission/mechanism assembly per job 
82-0765. The wiper arm has to be in the center of the windshield 
position and the motor in the parked position when you tighten down 
the nut for the mechanism. I am still stumped about the best way to 
get the fans off the old motor. Send me your wisdom from experience. 
1987 300D >On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:44:28 -0500 Dieselhead 
<126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > >In case you wondered, Loren, your 
email is getting out. Unfortunately, I >don't know the answers to 
your questions. > > >> Next question: The CD does not have anything 
about lubricating the >> monowiper mechanism. On the back of the 
cover, there are 2 large >> screws and 3 smaller screws. Which one 
should come out to remove the >> cover for cleaning and lube? I 
thought maybe the 2 big ones, but the >> cover didn't seem loose 
after that. The
3 small ones can't be >> removed without repositioning the piper 
several times, so it doesn't >> seem logical that they are what I 
need to take out. > >I'm pretty sure this has been posted before. 
Check the archives, maybe? > >And what is the piper? > > >> How have 
others been able to get these fans off? >>	 >> What is the 
successful method? I am contemplating using a dremel to >> cut off 
the 1/2 inch or so beyoond the hubs, but I think once I get >> it 
broken loose, the hub will move along the shaft ok. > >I would 
expect that cutting off the 1/2" that is beyond the hubs won't >help 
get it 
loose. > > >Craig > >_
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Fan project

2011-06-11 Thread OK Don 
Yes, I think they will. My guess was from working on the wipers on my son's
(now Kalebs) '87 sedan.

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

> Cool, I wonder if these instructions will work for my '87 wagon? I tried
> once but could not figure it out.
>
> -Max
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>



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Re: [MBZ] 124 Fan project

2011-06-11 Thread Max Dillon 
Cool, I wonder if these instructions will work for my '87 wagon? I tried once 
but could not figure it out.

-Max
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Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ja, I figured everyone is in the yard or working on their cars. I did figure 
out the in/out mechanism. The big screws DO stay in place. To remove the cover, 
first you have to take off the 17MM nut and washer on the underside, then 
remove the steel clip on the shaft, then remove the crank mechanism. There is a 
ground washer that you need to be sure does not get lost. THe wiper arm shaft 
has to be inthe center of the windshield position in order for the mechanism to 
come off the wiper transmission assembly. This much is detailed in Job number 
82-0765 (see 
http://www.w124performance.com/service/w124CD2/Program/Chassis/82-0765.pdf ) 
Once the mechanism is out, there are 5 smaller screws that hold the cover on. 
Do not remove 4 the larger screws, and they hold the rails for the in-out part 
of the mechanism. Be careful when you take off the cover, as there is a 
delicate foam gasket for the cover than you can pull off and keep with the 
cover. I found hardened grease inside. I greased with
Molykote grease and then greased the rack in the transmission assembly that the 
pinion external to the in-out mechanism rides on. I then reassembled the 
transmission/mechanism assembly per job 82-0765. The wiper arm has to be in the 
center of the windshield position and the motor in the parked position when you 
tighten down the nut for the mechanism. I am still stumped about the best way 
to get the fans off the old motor. Send me your wisdom from experience. 1987 
300D >On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:44:28 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> 
wrote: > >In case you wondered, Loren, your email is getting out. 
Unfortunately, I >don't know the answers to your questions. > > >> Next 
question: The CD does not have anything about lubricating the >> monowiper 
mechanism. On the back of the cover, there are 2 large >> screws and 3 smaller 
screws. Which one should come out to remove the >> cover for cleaning and lube? 
I thought maybe the 2 big ones, but the >> cover didn't seem loose after that. 
The
3 small ones can't be >> removed without repositioning the piper several times, 
so it doesn't >> seem logical that they are what I need to take out. > >I'm 
pretty sure this has been posted before. Check the archives, maybe? > >And what 
is the piper? > > >> How have others been able to get these fans off? >>
 >> What is the successful method? I am contemplating using a dremel to >> 
cut off the 1/2 inch or so beyoond the hubs, but I think once I get >> it 
broken loose, the hub will move along the shaft ok. > >I would expect that 
cutting off the 1/2" that is beyond the hubs won't >help get it loose. > > 
>Craig > >_
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Fan project

2011-06-11 Thread Dieselhead 

Ja, I figured everyone is in the yard or working on their cars.

I did figure out the in/out mechanism.  The big screws DO stay in 
place.   To remove the cover, first you have to take off the 17MM nut 
and washer on the underside, then remove the steel clip on the shaft, 
then remove the crank mechanism.  There is a ground washer that you 
need to be sure does not get lost.  THe wiper arm shaft has to be 
inthe center of the windshield position in order for the mechanism to 
come off the wiper transmission assembly.  This much is detailed in 
Job number 82-0765 (see 
http://www.w124performance.com/service/w124CD2/Program/Chassis/82-0765.pdf 
)


Once the mechanism is out, there are 5 smaller screws that hold the 
cover on.  Do not remove 4 the larger screws, and they hold the rails 
for the in-out part of the mechanism.  Be careful when you take off 
the cover, as there is a delicate foam gasket for the cover than you 
can pull off and keep with the cover.  I found hardened grease 
inside.I greased with Molykote grease and then greased the rack 
in the transmission assembly that the pinion external to the in-out 
mechanism rides on.  I then reassembled the transmission/mechanism 
assembly per job 82-0765.The wiper arm has to be in the center of 
the windshield position and the motor in the parked position when you 
tighten down the nut for the mechanism.


I am still stumped about the best way to get the fans off the old 
motor.  Send me your wisdom from experience.


1987 300D


On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:44:28 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

In case you wondered, Loren, your email is getting out. Unfortunately, I
don't know the answers to your questions.



 Next question:  The CD does not have anything about lubricating the
 monowiper mechanism.  On the back of the cover, there are 2 large
 screws and 3 smaller screws.  Which one should come out to remove the
 cover for cleaning and lube?  I thought maybe the 2 big ones, but the
 cover didn't seem loose after that.  The 3 small ones can't be
 removed without repositioning the piper several times, so it doesn't
 seem logical that they are what I need to take out.


I'm pretty sure this has been posted before. Check the archives, maybe?

And what is the piper?



 How have others been able to get these fans off?

 What is the successful method?  I am contemplating using a dremel to
 cut off the 1/2 inch or so beyoond the hubs, but I think once I get
 it broken loose, the hub will move along the shaft ok.


I would expect that cutting off the 1/2" that is beyond the hubs won't
help get it loose.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 124 Fan project

2011-06-11 Thread OK Don 
IIRC, which is not likely, both the 2 large screws and the three small ones
have to come out to get the cover off. Yes, the arm had to be moved several
times to get to them. pay very close attention to where everything lines up
for re-assembly.
I don't have any suggestions for the fan problem ---
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:44:28 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In case you wondered, Loren, your email is getting out. Unfortunately, I
> don't know the answers to your questions.
>
>
> > Next question:  The CD does not have anything about lubricating the
> > monowiper mechanism.  On the back of the cover, there are 2 large
> > screws and 3 smaller screws.  Which one should come out to remove the
> > cover for cleaning and lube?  I thought maybe the 2 big ones, but the
> > cover didn't seem loose after that.  The 3 small ones can't be
> > removed without repositioning the piper several times, so it doesn't
> > seem logical that they are what I need to take out.
>
> I'm pretty sure this has been posted before. Check the archives, maybe?
>
> And what is the piper?
>
>
> > How have others been able to get these fans off?
> >   
> > What is the successful method?  I am contemplating using a dremel to
> > cut off the 1/2 inch or so beyoond the hubs, but I think once I get
> > it broken loose, the hub will move along the shaft ok.
>
> I would expect that cutting off the 1/2" that is beyond the hubs won't
> help get it loose.
>
>
> Craig
>

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Re: [MBZ] 124 Fan project

2011-06-11 Thread Craig 
On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:44:28 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

In case you wondered, Loren, your email is getting out. Unfortunately, I
don't know the answers to your questions.


> Next question:  The CD does not have anything about lubricating the 
> monowiper mechanism.  On the back of the cover, there are 2 large 
> screws and 3 smaller screws.  Which one should come out to remove the 
> cover for cleaning and lube?  I thought maybe the 2 big ones, but the 
> cover didn't seem loose after that.  The 3 small ones can't be 
> removed without repositioning the piper several times, so it doesn't 
> seem logical that they are what I need to take out.

I'm pretty sure this has been posted before. Check the archives, maybe?

And what is the piper?


> How have others been able to get these fans off?
>   
> What is the successful method?  I am contemplating using a dremel to 
> cut off the 1/2 inch or so beyoond the hubs, but I think once I get 
> it broken loose, the hub will move along the shaft ok.

I would expect that cutting off the 1/2" that is beyond the hubs won't
help get it loose.


Craig

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