Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model
This would be one of those first world problems? "OMG why isn't that engine turbo charged?" I think the point here is fuel economy, you want exciting buy a V8. The turbo version only put out 160 horses, not exactly speed of light material. People don't buy Diesel cars for their performance. Hendrik who has a lot of first world problems On 10/01/13 14:34, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: A neighbor has one of these - same color. For the life of me I can't understand why it isn't a turbo. The car just screams BORING! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model
Actually it's 177 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 10, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Hendrik and fay wrote: > This would be one of those first world problems? "OMG why isn't that engine > turbo charged?" > I think the point here is fuel economy, you want exciting buy a V8. > The turbo version only put out 160 horses, not exactly speed of light > material. > People don't buy Diesel cars for their performance. > > Hendrik > who has a lot of first world problems > > On 10/01/13 14:34, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: >> A neighbor has one of these - same color. For the life of me I can't >> understand why it isn't a turbo. The car just screams BORING! > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model
Aren't supposed to be watching strippers on Bourbon St. or at least listening to jazz in Preservation Hall? On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > Actually it's 177 > > Sent from my iPhone > -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model
In houston now on the way back. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 10, 2013, at 8:04 PM, OK Don wrote: > Aren't supposed to be watching strippers on Bourbon St. or at least > listening to jazz in Preservation Hall? > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > >> Actually it's 177 >> >> Sent from my iPhone > > > > -- > OK Don > 2001 ML320 > 2012 Passat TDI DSG > 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager > 1957 C182A > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model
Its not just performance, turbocharged diesels are more efficient. Look at the 300D turbo vs the 240D. 1 extra cylinder, nearly double the horsepower, ~5% drop in fuel economy... -Curt Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:31:19 +1030 From: Hendrik and fay To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model Message-ID: <50ef645f.8000...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed This would be one of those first world problems? "OMG why isn't that engine turbo charged?" I think the point here is fuel economy, you want exciting buy a V8. The turbo version only put out 160 horses, not exactly speed of light material. People don't buy Diesel cars for their performance. Hendrik who has a lot of first world problems On 10/01/13 14:34, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > A neighbor has one of these - same color. For the life of me I can't > understand why it isn't a turbo. The car just screams BORING! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:31:19 +1030 Hendrik and fay wrote: > This would be one of those first world problems? "OMG why isn't that > engine turbo charged?" > I think the point here is fuel economy, you want exciting buy a V8. Yes, the point is fuel economy. In the OM617, at least, the turbo engine gets better mileage. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model
Hmmnh, I'm trying to understand this concept. I take it the turbo Diesel got different gearing? Hendrik who only has inefficient Diesels On 11/01/13 12:51, Curt Raymond wrote: Its not just performance, turbocharged diesels are more efficient. Look at the 300D turbo vs the 240D. 1 extra cylinder, nearly double the horsepower, ~5% drop in fuel economy... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:00:06 +1030 Hendrik and fay wrote: > Hmmnh, I'm trying to understand this concept. I take it the turbo > Diesel got different gearing? Yes, and a different (lower) compression ratio, among other things. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model
> Hendrik and fay wrote: > Hmmnh, I'm trying to understand this concept. I take it the > turbo Diesel got different gearing? Yes. But the real difference is the turbo. By making use of the exhaust heat to spin the turbine which force more air into the engine, the efficiency increases. That is, there is less waste heat, so more of the energy in the fuel goes to turning the flywheel and less goes out the tail pipe. Therefore, a turbo-supercharged engine can generate more power _and_ use less fuel. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model
That too but I've found by experimentation that rotational speed doesn't have a whole lot to do with fuel usage in a diesel, not a direct link surely. A 300D N/A gets worse economy than a 300D turbo while having less power. Diesel engines benefit from the turbo. Fred has my copy of the history of the Diesel engine, it explains it better than I understand. -Curt Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:00:06 +1030 From: Hendrik and fay To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model Message-ID: <50f0caae.1070...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hmmnh, I'm trying to understand this concept. I take it the turbo Diesel got different gearing? Hendrik who only has inefficient Diesels On 11/01/13 12:51, Curt Raymond wrote: > Its not just performance, turbocharged diesels are more efficient. Look at > the 300D turbo vs the 240D. 1 extra cylinder, nearly double the horsepower, > ~5% drop in fuel economy... > > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model
So you're saying that a Diesel spinning at 3000 will not use any more than one spinning at 2500? Next question is why,if turbo Diesels are so efficient, did no one apart from the US and Japan get early turbo Diesels. I can think of cost to build and public acceptance as being a couple of factors, however wouldn't have Hans the friendly Stuttgart taxi driver been happier with a turbo 123 200D if it gets better mileage? Hendrik who has to go any fix a fan in the kitchen On 13/01/13 00:36, Curt Raymond wrote: That too but I've found by experimentation that rotational speed doesn't have a whole lot to do with fuel usage in a diesel, not a direct link surely. A 300D N/A gets worse economy than a 300D turbo while having less power. Diesel engines benefit from the turbo. Fred has my copy of the history of the Diesel engine, it explains it better than I understand. -Curt Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:00:06 +1030 From: Hendrik and fay To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model Message-ID: <50f0caae.1070...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hmmnh, I'm trying to understand this concept. I take it the turbo Diesel got different gearing? Hendrik who only has inefficient Diesels On 11/01/13 12:51, Curt Raymond wrote: Its not just performance, turbocharged diesels are more efficient. Look at the 300D turbo vs the 240D. 1 extra cylinder, nearly double the horsepower, ~5% drop in fuel economy... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model
Turbo diesels get better milage for two reasons: Better volumetric efficiency (higher effective compression ratio) Better gearing (engine turns slower, so you get better torque usage). They also produce more power, so you use power less time while accelerating, and you can get the same power from a smaller displacement engine, although this is much less of an issue for diesels than gassers since diesels aren't throttled and hence do not suffer from the very low charge density problems gassers have. The difference is not huge, probably only a couple mpg. Nicer to drive the diesel, though. Diesel engines are fuel regulated, and you can tell if you drive at 55 mph vs 75 mph -- my milage on the 603 drops from 30 plus for to and from work (max speed 60 mph) to around 29 at 70 and 28.5 if I drive 75. Faster than that, it drops to 27 or so. More load means more fuel burned, and gearing doesn't have huge effects here. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model
Hans the friendly Stuttgart taxi driver been happier with a turbo 123 200D if it gets better mileage? Under Hans' use patterns, perhaps it wouldn't. diesels aren't throttled My 200D is. There is no mechanical connection between the foot pedal and the IP. It senses manifold vacuum. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model
We got turbos because we don't know how to drive a stick. Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Hendrik and fay wrote: >So you're saying that a Diesel spinning at 3000 will not use any more >than one spinning at 2500? >Next question is why,if turbo Diesels are so efficient, did no one apart >from the US and Japan get early turbo Diesels. I can think of cost to >build and public acceptance as being a couple of factors, however >wouldn't have Hans the friendly Stuttgart taxi driver been happier with >a turbo 123 200D if it gets better mileage? > >Hendrik >who has to go any fix a fan in the kitchen > >On 13/01/13 00:36, Curt Raymond wrote: >> That too but I've found by experimentation that rotational speed doesn't >> have a whole lot to do with fuel usage in a diesel, not a direct link surely. >> >> A 300D N/A gets worse economy than a 300D turbo while having less power. >> Diesel engines benefit from the turbo. >> Fred has my copy of the history of the Diesel engine, it explains it better >> than I understand. >> >> -Curt >> >> >> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:00:06 +1030 >> From: Hendrik and fay >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 97 E300 Diesel snail model >> Message-ID: <50f0caae.1070...@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Hmmnh, I'm trying to understand this concept. I take it the turbo Diesel >> got different gearing? >> >> Hendrik >> who only has inefficient Diesels >> >> On 11/01/13 12:51, Curt Raymond wrote: >>> Its not just performance, turbocharged diesels are more efficient. Look at >>> the 300D turbo vs the 240D. 1 extra cylinder, nearly double the horsepower, >>> ~5% drop in fuel economy... >>> >>> -Curt > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
