Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
First thing I did after buying the 2003 Jetta TDI for SWMBO was to buy and install the Panzer skid plate. Next was to bite the bullet and buy the Ross-Tech VCDS and Bentley manuals. Pretty spendy, but the VW computer interface is pretty complex and the diagnostic capabilities of this device are astonishing. I am not sure VCDS would pinpoint your trouble, but it is worth looking into. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:04 AM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! You may remember my buying a '98 Jetta last week. At first everything was happiness and smiles. I got a new battery, fixed some rust, figured out the sunroof and internal light problems but now a real challenge has arisen. No headlights, daytime running lights, high beams, turn signals, emergency flashers, wipers, or washers. Strange no? Common wisdom seemed to indicate that this was the ignition switch, the electrical part behind the lock. Easy enough to replace EXCEPT the screw is hidden until you take the lock portion out. I won't go into details but suffice to say this led me to a junkyard for a new steering column and lock assembly... Anyway today dodging thunderstorms (we had some real corkers yesterday) I managed to get everything installed with the new ignition switch and nothing has changed... Car starts fine, has power, turbo spools up. I *think* my fatal error came when I was troubleshooting the blowing of fuse #21 (sunroof et al) which led me to mess around the fuse box and now I hope I haven't screwed myself. Why do I play with old cars? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
I pulled that quote on #1 boy and his SE. There are a whole bunch of fuses in that car. He spent about $30 on fuses and still did not get them all. I gave him the multimeter to test them for continuity. All tested good, so I told him to use emery cloth to scuff oxide off to be sure. Since the old ones worked fine, I am not sure it helped the car much. It did give him a viable source for replacements when the chinese ones die. clay On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote: > Make SURE all of the FUSES have been RENEWED. > > Bob R > Who is hoping some will understand the reference > On Sep 13, 2013 9:51 AM, "WILTON" wrote: > >> Something loose in fuse box? All those inop systems on same fuse? Ya >> SURE the fuse is good? >> >> Wilt >> >> - Original Message - From: >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! >> >> >> Did you disconnect the negative battery terminal when you welded on the >>> car? Could you have fried some circuit somewhere? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >>> >>> You may remember my buying a '98 Jetta last week. At first everything >>>> was happiness and smiles. I got a new battery, fixed some rust, figured out >>>> the sunroof and internal light problems but now a real challenge has >>>> arisen. >>>> No headlights, daytime running lights, high beams, turn signals, >>>> emergency flashers, wipers, or washers. >>>> Strange no? Common wisdom seemed to indicate that this was the ignition >>>> switch, the electrical part behind the lock. Easy enough to replace EXCEPT >>>> the screw is hidden until you take the lock portion out. I won't go into >>>> details but suffice to say this led me to a junkyard for a new steering >>>> column and lock assembly... Anyway today dodging thunderstorms (we had some >>>> real corkers yesterday) I managed to get everything installed with the new >>>> ignition switch and nothing has changed... >>>> >>>> Car starts fine, has power, turbo spools up. >>>> >>>> I *think* my fatal error came when I was troubleshooting the blowing of >>>> fuse #21 (sunroof et al) which led me to mess around the fuse box and now I >>>> hope I haven't screwed myself. >>>> >>>> Why do I play with old cars? >>>> >>>> -Curt >>>> __**_ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/<http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com<http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> >>>> >>> >>> __**_ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives >>> http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/<http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com<http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> >>> >> >> >> __**_ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives >> http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/<http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com<http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
They can LOOK perfect but have a hairline crack. My 78 240D drove me crazy looking all over for relays, grounds, etc before I saw the fuse arc when my wife pressed the brake pedal! I must have checked the fuses 3 times before finding that small crack! Replace them! LarryT On 9/13/2013 3:06 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Theres a couple actually. The 18 relay is the "load reduction relay" which turns off the daytime running lamps and such when you start the car. Mine seems to be good, I can apply power and make it click and see continuity. I can see power to it in the fuse box too. The other one is the 109 which is the main ECM (the computer basically). The thing is if that one fails usually the car won't start but mine does start and runs fine... 7 fuses involved Wilton. I pulled every fuse out, checked and cleaned it and put it back. Not the same as replacing them but they all look perfect. -Curt Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 10:53:48 -0600 From: Brian Toscano To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Don't these cars have a master relay or something similar that can die? Back in the day some folks would carry a spare. On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:51 AM, WILTON wrote: Something loose in fuse box? All those inop systems on same fuse? Ya SURE the fuse is good? Wilt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
Heck I have 3 ignition switches (they all act the same) and 2 locks. I need to find the dash ground which is presumably under the dash somewhere. I already cleaned and retightened the main ground which is (ugh) under the battery and washer bottle. The outside of that ground looked gross but it didn't look bad once I got it apart. I cleaned it good anyway. -Curt Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:24:22 -0500 From: Randy Bennell To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! Message-ID: <5233.7090...@bennell.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Since you have the original ignition switch, can you essentially trace power in and out on it and then try that on the car to see if indeed power is being received and transferred by the switch when you turn the lights on? Since so much of it is dead, I have to wonder if it is in the power feed to that switch. Don't trust meters on something like this. Use a test light. Sometimes there is enough power to indicate voltage on the meter but not enough to light up a test lamp. Randy who also suggests you look closely at grounds as well since they seem to be a common fault. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
Absolutely! I've had the fuse box down as far as I can get it and poked and prodded every connection on there... -Curt Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 12:12:16 -0400 From: Mitch Haley To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! Message-ID: <52333960.1000...@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Any chance a wire or fuse contact got dislodged back of the fuse box? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
Any chance a wire or fuse contact got dislodged back of the fuse box? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
Since you have the original ignition switch, can you essentially trace power in and out on it and then try that on the car to see if indeed power is being received and transferred by the switch when you turn the lights on? Since so much of it is dead, I have to wonder if it is in the power feed to that switch. Don't trust meters on something like this. Use a test light. Sometimes there is enough power to indicate voltage on the meter but not enough to light up a test lamp. Randy who also suggests you look closely at grounds as well since they seem to be a common fault. On 13/09/2013 11:04 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: You may remember my buying a '98 Jetta last week. At first everything was happiness and smiles. I got a new battery, fixed some rust, figured out the sunroof and internal light problems but now a real challenge has arisen. No headlights, daytime running lights, high beams, turn signals, emergency flashers, wipers, or washers. Strange no? Common wisdom seemed to indicate that this was the ignition switch, the electrical part behind the lock. Easy enough to replace EXCEPT the screw is hidden until you take the lock portion out. I won't go into details but suffice to say this led me to a junkyard for a new steering column and lock assembly... Anyway today dodging thunderstorms (we had some real corkers yesterday) I managed to get everything installed with the new ignition switch and nothing has changed... Car starts fine, has power, turbo spools up. I *think* my fatal error came when I was troubleshooting the blowing of fuse #21 (sunroof et al) which led me to mess around the fuse box and now I hope I haven't screwed myself. Why do I play with old cars? -Curt ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
I did disconnect the negative battery on the car before welding and the problem crept up before the welding... -Curt Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 12:32:33 -0400 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Did you disconnect the negative battery terminal when you welded on the car? Could you have fried some circuit somewhere? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
Yeah 90 views, zero replies... -Curt Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:55:01 -0400 From: "Gerry Archer" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! Message-ID: <74E8A984330646C5B14C8AA3EE511551@PC466116028214> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Did you post your problem on one of the Jetta TDI forums? https://www.google.com/#q=jetta+tdi+forum Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
Remember how good that first "test" flight after resurrection felt? Wilton - Original Message - From: "OK Don" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! Masochism. I traded old cars for old airplanes - from the pan to the fire? On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Why do I play with old cars? -Curt ___ -- OK Don "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775 "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
Masochism. I traded old cars for old airplanes - from the pan to the fire? On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > Why do I play with old cars? > > -Curt > ___ > -- OK Don "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775 "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
I DO! I DO! ;<) Wilt - Original Message - From: "Bob Rentfro" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! Make SURE all of the FUSES have been RENEWED. Bob R Who is hoping some will understand the reference On Sep 13, 2013 9:51 AM, "WILTON" wrote: Something loose in fuse box? All those inop systems on same fuse? Ya SURE the fuse is good? Wilt - Original Message - From: To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! Did you disconnect the negative battery terminal when you welded on the car? Could you have fried some circuit somewhere? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: You may remember my buying a '98 Jetta last week. At first everything was happiness and smiles. I got a new battery, fixed some rust, figured out the sunroof and internal light problems but now a real challenge has arisen. No headlights, daytime running lights, high beams, turn signals, emergency flashers, wipers, or washers. Strange no? Common wisdom seemed to indicate that this was the ignition switch, the electrical part behind the lock. Easy enough to replace EXCEPT the screw is hidden until you take the lock portion out. I won't go into details but suffice to say this led me to a junkyard for a new steering column and lock assembly... Anyway today dodging thunderstorms (we had some real corkers yesterday) I managed to get everything installed with the new ignition switch and nothing has changed... Car starts fine, has power, turbo spools up. I *think* my fatal error came when I was troubleshooting the blowing of fuse #21 (sunroof et al) which led me to mess around the fuse box and now I hope I haven't screwed myself. Why do I play with old cars? -Curt __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/<http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com<http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/<http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com<http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/<http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com<http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
Any chance of getting a schematic? Maybe on a Jetta list? Some cars use a circuit breaker (auto resetting) for headlights and other critical stuff. Could you have a bad one? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:04 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! You may remember my buying a '98 Jetta last week. At first everything was happiness and smiles. I got a new battery, fixed some rust, figured out the sunroof and internal light problems but now a real challenge has arisen. No headlights, daytime running lights, high beams, turn signals, emergency flashers, wipers, or washers. Strange no? Common wisdom seemed to indicate that this was the ignition switch, the electrical part behind the lock. Easy enough to replace EXCEPT the screw is hidden until you take the lock portion out. I won't go into details but suffice to say this led me to a junkyard for a new steering column and lock assembly... Anyway today dodging thunderstorms (we had some real corkers yesterday) I managed to get everything installed with the new ignition switch and nothing has changed... Car starts fine, has power, turbo spools up. I *think* my fatal error came when I was troubleshooting the blowing of fuse #21 (sunroof et al) which led me to mess around the fuse box and now I hope I haven't screwed myself. Why do I play with old cars? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
'Cause you enjoy the challenge, the activity and the feeling of accomplishment and victory when ya get the problem solved. 'Just a reminder - I know ya already know. ;<) Oh, BTW, and to get another ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" To: "Diesel List" Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:04 PM Subject: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! You may remember my buying a '98 Jetta last week. At first everything was happiness and smiles. I got a new battery, fixed some rust, figured out the sunroof and internal light problems but now a real challenge has arisen. No headlights, daytime running lights, high beams, turn signals, emergency flashers, wipers, or washers. Strange no? Common wisdom seemed to indicate that this was the ignition switch, the electrical part behind the lock. Easy enough to replace EXCEPT the screw is hidden until you take the lock portion out. I won't go into details but suffice to say this led me to a junkyard for a new steering column and lock assembly... Anyway today dodging thunderstorms (we had some real corkers yesterday) I managed to get everything installed with the new ignition switch and nothing has changed... Car starts fine, has power, turbo spools up. I *think* my fatal error came when I was troubleshooting the blowing of fuse #21 (sunroof et al) which led me to mess around the fuse box and now I hope I haven't screwed myself. Why do I play with old cars? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
Do you have power on DOWNSTREAM side of EVERY fuse? Wilton - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" To: "Diesel List" Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! Absolutely! I've had the fuse box down as far as I can get it and poked and prodded every connection on there... -Curt Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 12:12:16 -0400 From: Mitch Haley To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! Message-ID: <52333960.1000...@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Any chance a wire or fuse contact got dislodged back of the fuse box? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
Theres a couple actually. The 18 relay is the "load reduction relay" which turns off the daytime running lamps and such when you start the car. Mine seems to be good, I can apply power and make it click and see continuity. I can see power to it in the fuse box too. The other one is the 109 which is the main ECM (the computer basically). The thing is if that one fails usually the car won't start but mine does start and runs fine... 7 fuses involved Wilton. I pulled every fuse out, checked and cleaned it and put it back. Not the same as replacing them but they all look perfect. -Curt Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 10:53:48 -0600 From: Brian Toscano To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Don't these cars have a master relay or something similar that can die? Back in the day some folks would carry a spare. On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:51 AM, WILTON wrote: > Something loose in fuse box? All those inop systems on same fuse? Ya > SURE the fuse is good? > > Wilt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
And you have power on downstream sides of those 7 fuses? Do you have power on UPstream sides with key ON? Wilt - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" To: "Diesel List" Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! Theres a couple actually. The 18 relay is the "load reduction relay" which turns off the daytime running lamps and such when you start the car. Mine seems to be good, I can apply power and make it click and see continuity. I can see power to it in the fuse box too. The other one is the 109 which is the main ECM (the computer basically). The thing is if that one fails usually the car won't start but mine does start and runs fine... 7 fuses involved Wilton. I pulled every fuse out, checked and cleaned it and put it back. Not the same as replacing them but they all look perfect. -Curt Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 10:53:48 -0600 From: Brian Toscano To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Don't these cars have a master relay or something similar that can die? Back in the day some folks would carry a spare. On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:51 AM, WILTON wrote: Something loose in fuse box? All those inop systems on same fuse? Ya SURE the fuse is good? Wilt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
Did you post your problem on one of the Jetta TDI forums? https://www.google.com/#q=jetta+tdi+forum Gerry On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: You may remember my buying a '98 Jetta last week. At first everything was happiness and smiles. I got a new battery, fixed some rust, figured out the sunroof and internal light problems but now a real challenge has arisen. No headlights, daytime running lights, high beams, turn signals, emergency flashers, wipers, or washers. Strange no? Common wisdom seemed to indicate that this was the ignition switch, the electrical part behind the lock. Easy enough to replace EXCEPT the screw is hidden until you take the lock portion out. I won't go into details but suffice to say this led me to a junkyard for a new steering column and lock assembly... Anyway today dodging thunderstorms (we had some real corkers yesterday) I managed to get everything installed with the new ignition switch and nothing has changed... Car starts fine, has power, turbo spools up. I *think* my fatal error came when I was troubleshooting the blowing of fuse #21 (sunroof et al) which led me to mess around the fuse box and now I hope I haven't screwed myself. Why do I play with old cars? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6162 - Release Date: 09/13/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
Make SURE all of the FUSES have been RENEWED. Bob R Who is hoping some will understand the reference On Sep 13, 2013 9:51 AM, "WILTON" wrote: > Something loose in fuse box? All those inop systems on same fuse? Ya > SURE the fuse is good? > > Wilt > > - Original Message - From: > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! > > > Did you disconnect the negative battery terminal when you welded on the >> car? Could you have fried some circuit somewhere? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >> >> You may remember my buying a '98 Jetta last week. At first everything >>> was happiness and smiles. I got a new battery, fixed some rust, figured out >>> the sunroof and internal light problems but now a real challenge has arisen. >>> No headlights, daytime running lights, high beams, turn signals, >>> emergency flashers, wipers, or washers. >>> Strange no? Common wisdom seemed to indicate that this was the ignition >>> switch, the electrical part behind the lock. Easy enough to replace EXCEPT >>> the screw is hidden until you take the lock portion out. I won't go into >>> details but suffice to say this led me to a junkyard for a new steering >>> column and lock assembly... Anyway today dodging thunderstorms (we had some >>> real corkers yesterday) I managed to get everything installed with the new >>> ignition switch and nothing has changed... >>> >>> Car starts fine, has power, turbo spools up. >>> >>> I *think* my fatal error came when I was troubleshooting the blowing of >>> fuse #21 (sunroof et al) which led me to mess around the fuse box and now I >>> hope I haven't screwed myself. >>> >>> Why do I play with old cars? >>> >>> -Curt >>> __**_ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives >>> http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/<http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com<http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> >>> >> >> __**_ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives >> http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/<http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com<http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> >> > > > __**_ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/<http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com<http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
Oh, yes, and it's still GREAT to get into the air. I love take off's and landings, and most of the in between stuff as well. I have a minor oil seepage that is spraying onto my NEW windshield that is driving me crazy, as well as intermittant hash noise i the intercom. Otherwise, I've got it sorted out and doing just fine. Curt - did you REPLACE all the FUSES??? On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:16 AM, WILTON wrote: > Remember how good that first "test" flight after resurrection felt? > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "OK Don" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! > > > Masochism. I traded old cars for old airplanes - from the pan to the fire? >> >> >> -- OK Don "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775 "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
Don't these cars have a master relay or something similar that can die? Back in the day some folks would carry a spare. On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:51 AM, WILTON wrote: > Something loose in fuse box? All those inop systems on same fuse? Ya > SURE the fuse is good? > > Wilt > > - Original Message - From: > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! > > > Did you disconnect the negative battery terminal when you welded on the >> car? Could you have fried some circuit somewhere? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >> >> You may remember my buying a '98 Jetta last week. At first everything >>> was happiness and smiles. I got a new battery, fixed some rust, figured out >>> the sunroof and internal light problems but now a real challenge has arisen. >>> No headlights, daytime running lights, high beams, turn signals, >>> emergency flashers, wipers, or washers. >>> Strange no? Common wisdom seemed to indicate that this was the ignition >>> switch, the electrical part behind the lock. Easy enough to replace EXCEPT >>> the screw is hidden until you take the lock portion out. I won't go into >>> details but suffice to say this led me to a junkyard for a new steering >>> column and lock assembly... Anyway today dodging thunderstorms (we had some >>> real corkers yesterday) I managed to get everything installed with the new >>> ignition switch and nothing has changed... >>> >>> Car starts fine, has power, turbo spools up. >>> >>> I *think* my fatal error came when I was troubleshooting the blowing of >>> fuse #21 (sunroof et al) which led me to mess around the fuse box and now I >>> hope I haven't screwed myself. >>> >>> Why do I play with old cars? >>> >>> -Curt >>> __**_ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives >>> http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/<http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com<http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> >>> >> >> __**_ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives >> http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/<http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com<http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> >> > > > __**_ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/<http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com<http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
Something loose in fuse box? All those inop systems on same fuse? Ya SURE the fuse is good? Wilt - Original Message - From: To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta! Did you disconnect the negative battery terminal when you welded on the car? Could you have fried some circuit somewhere? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: You may remember my buying a '98 Jetta last week. At first everything was happiness and smiles. I got a new battery, fixed some rust, figured out the sunroof and internal light problems but now a real challenge has arisen. No headlights, daytime running lights, high beams, turn signals, emergency flashers, wipers, or washers. Strange no? Common wisdom seemed to indicate that this was the ignition switch, the electrical part behind the lock. Easy enough to replace EXCEPT the screw is hidden until you take the lock portion out. I won't go into details but suffice to say this led me to a junkyard for a new steering column and lock assembly... Anyway today dodging thunderstorms (we had some real corkers yesterday) I managed to get everything installed with the new ignition switch and nothing has changed... Car starts fine, has power, turbo spools up. I *think* my fatal error came when I was troubleshooting the blowing of fuse #21 (sunroof et al) which led me to mess around the fuse box and now I hope I haven't screwed myself. Why do I play with old cars? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!
Did you disconnect the negative battery terminal when you welded on the car? Could you have fried some circuit somewhere? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > You may remember my buying a '98 Jetta last week. At first everything was > happiness and smiles. I got a new battery, fixed some rust, figured out the > sunroof and internal light problems but now a real challenge has arisen. > No headlights, daytime running lights, high beams, turn signals, emergency > flashers, wipers, or washers. > Strange no? Common wisdom seemed to indicate that this was the ignition > switch, the electrical part behind the lock. Easy enough to replace EXCEPT > the screw is hidden until you take the lock portion out. I won't go into > details but suffice to say this led me to a junkyard for a new steering > column and lock assembly... Anyway today dodging thunderstorms (we had some > real corkers yesterday) I managed to get everything installed with the new > ignition switch and nothing has changed... > > Car starts fine, has power, turbo spools up. > > I *think* my fatal error came when I was troubleshooting the blowing of fuse > #21 (sunroof et al) which led me to mess around the fuse box and now I hope I > haven't screwed myself. > > Why do I play with old cars? > > -Curt > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
