Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-23 Thread Curt Raymond
My 240D is the same way, the battery in it was held down by gravity and the one 
I put in it is exactly the same.
When I did the 190D I bought a physically larger battery than it had (I dunno 
what the old one was, 1000cca? The new is the same rating but physically 
larger) and it wouldn't fit the hold down clamp. It hasn't moved though...

-Curt

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I am not sure what the issue is. The battery in my W123 is right there,
looking at you.  You disconnect the cables, take a deep breath, and snatch
the big-ass'd battery out of the tray. Then you grasp your chest and take a
few deep breaths.

Take a drink of the beverage of your choice, then install new battery in
reverse steps.

You're not actually securing this beast to the battery tray, are you? Mass
alone keeps it in place. I've had my 240D for about three years now, and the
battery is held in place by gravity and has not shifted. I have cobwebs as
proof.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-23 Thread Curt Raymond
HA! You've just got the wrong car, tis a very simple repair on a 240D...

-Curt

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And the award goes to
Battery R&R!  UGH.  Why did they have to put the &%#)($&in air cleaner 
in the way? 
On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a 
10mm socket and extension

Luther


  
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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-22 Thread Wonko the Sane
If you see a note taped to the dash suggesting ice fishing, -- well, tell
the wife. We have meds for that. Wife can even get them for you.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:25 PM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That's closer to it - though it does favor driving North vs. South.
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It seems than at Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:39:05 -0500, Wonko wrote:
> >
> >> Does your car talk with a somewhat-Canadian accent?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-22 Thread OK Don
That's closer to it - though it does favor driving North vs. South.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems than at Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:39:05 -0500, Wonko wrote:
>
>> Does your car talk with a somewhat-Canadian accent?
>
> Probably a Norwegian-German accent, with a Okie drawl.
>
> --  Philip
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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-22 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:39:05 -0500, Wonko wrote:

> Does your car talk with a somewhat-Canadian accent?

Probably a Norwegian-German accent, with a Okie drawl.

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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-22 Thread Wonko the Sane
Does your car talk with a somewhat-Canadian accent?

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:32 PM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ah - the hidden truth comes out - it was purchased, and spent it's
> first 3 or 4 years in Minnesota.
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-22 Thread OK Don
Ah - the hidden truth comes out - it was purchased, and spent it's
first 3 or 4 years in Minnesota.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> you are scared of the cancer on his car?  I knew it has some which is a
> surprise since its a OK car.  We do not usually have rust here
>
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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-22 Thread OK Don
But it's contained - almost in remission, and the price can be right ---

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tempting, but the cancer is scary
>
> Luther


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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
you are scared of the cancer on his car?  I knew it has some which is a 
surprise since its a OK car.  We do not usually have rust here

Luther wrote:
> Tempting, but the cancer is scary
> 
> Luther
> 
> OK Don wrote:
>> Huh It's easy and simple in the all manual 240D! You have the
>> wrong 123 my friend, and I have the cure  ;-)
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>   
>>> And the award goes to
>>> Battery R&R!  UGH.  Why did they have to put the &%#)($&in air cleaner
>>> in the way?
>>> On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a
>>> 10mm socket and extension
>>>
>>> Luther
>>> 
>>   
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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-22 Thread Luther
Join the turbo world and you'll soon see the PIA

Luther

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> I am not sure what the issue is. The battery in my W123 is right there,
> looking at you.  You disconnect the cables, take a deep breath, and snatch
> the big-ass'd battery out of the tray. Then you grasp your chest and take a
> few deep breaths.
>
> Take a drink of the beverage of your choice, then install new battery in
> reverse steps.
>
> You're not actually securing this beast to the battery tray, are you? Mass
> alone keeps it in place. I've had my 240D for about three years now, and the
> battery is held in place by gravity and has not shifted. I have cobwebs as
> proof.
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:32 PM, andrew strasfogel
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>   
>> Hey if I can do a job, it HAS to be easy!
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:26 PM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Huh It's easy and simple in the all manual 240D! You have the
>>> wrong 123 my friend, and I have the cure  ;-)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>   
>> wrote:
>> 
 And the award goes to
 Battery R&R!  UGH.  Why did they have to put the &%#)($&in air cleaner
 in the way?
 On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a
 10mm socket and extension

 Luther
 
>>> --
>>> OK Don, KD5NRO
>>> Norman, OK
>>> "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
>>> -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
>>> '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply
>>> Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go)
>>>   

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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-22 Thread Luther
Tempting, but the cancer is scary

Luther

OK Don wrote:
> Huh It's easy and simple in the all manual 240D! You have the
> wrong 123 my friend, and I have the cure  ;-)
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> And the award goes to
>> Battery R&R!  UGH.  Why did they have to put the &%#)($&in air cleaner
>> in the way?
>> On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a
>> 10mm socket and extension
>>
>> Luther
>> 
>
>   

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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-22 Thread Luther
Uh, my CD engine compartment is the same as the D and TD except for the 
Cali versions

Luther

andrew strasfogel wrote:
> One trick is to peel back the weather seal at the top of the rear engine bay
> to give another 1" of access (it's formed into ppsition rather than glued).
> I do that as well when removing the fuse box cover on the opposite side...
>
> Battery R&R on the W123 300CD took the MB roadside guy 45 minutes - it's
> very tight.  It's a lot easier on the 300TD due to its more spacious engine
> compartment.
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> I've not worked on a 124 yet.  I do know the California 123 OM617 is
>> MUCH easier to R&R the battery, even easier than my 126!
>>
>> Luther
>>
>> Loren Faeth wrote:
>> 
>>> Huh?
>>> I remember it being more of a dance with a 124 than in the 123.  You
>>> need to put the hood up first.  It only takes one wrench for the
>>> cables and a 10mm socket on an extension.  I like my 12" extension. I
>>> use it so much I leave it on my floppy head rachet all the time.
>>>
>>> It is nice when the battery has 2 handles on it.
>>>
>>> At 10:46 AM 8/21/2008, you wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 And the award goes to
 Battery R&R!  UGH.  Why did they have to put the &%#)($&in air cleaner
 in the way?
 On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a
 10mm socket and extension

 Luther

 


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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-22 Thread Christopher McCann
Fuse cover used to be a pathetic exercise, but I've got "the move" down now and 
can do it effortlessly...only took a couple years to figure it out!

Chris



"Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ditto on both my 240D's.  One 
never had hold down-this one does. Maybe the
turbo on the CD is what gets in the way.
Dwight 

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1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
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I am not sure what the issue is. The battery in my W123 is right there,
looking at you.  You disconnect the cables, take a deep breath, and snatch
the big-ass'd battery out of the tray. Then you grasp your chest and take a
few deep breaths.

Take a drink of the beverage of your choice, then install new battery in
reverse steps.

You're not actually securing this beast to the battery tray, are you? Mass
alone keeps it in place. I've had my 240D for about three years now, and the
battery is held in place by gravity and has not shifted. I have cobwebs as
proof.

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:32 PM, andrew strasfogel
wrote:

> Hey if I can do a job, it HAS to be easy!
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:26 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> > Huh It's easy and simple in the all manual 240D! You have the
> > wrong 123 my friend, and I have the cure  ;-)
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Luther 
> wrote:
> > > And the award goes to
> > > Battery R&R!  UGH.  Why did they have to put the &%#)($&in air cleaner
> > > in the way?
> > > On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and
a
> > > 10mm socket and extension
> > >
> > > Luther
> >
> > --
> > OK Don, KD5NRO
> > Norman, OK
> > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
> > -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
> > '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply
> > Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go)
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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-22 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Ditto on both my 240D's.  One never had hold down-this one does. Maybe the
turbo on the CD is what gets in the way.
Dwight 

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1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is

I am not sure what the issue is. The battery in my W123 is right there,
looking at you.  You disconnect the cables, take a deep breath, and snatch
the big-ass'd battery out of the tray. Then you grasp your chest and take a
few deep breaths.

Take a drink of the beverage of your choice, then install new battery in
reverse steps.

You're not actually securing this beast to the battery tray, are you? Mass
alone keeps it in place. I've had my 240D for about three years now, and the
battery is held in place by gravity and has not shifted. I have cobwebs as
proof.

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:32 PM, andrew strasfogel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hey if I can do a job, it HAS to be easy!
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:26 PM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Huh It's easy and simple in the all manual 240D! You have the
> > wrong 123 my friend, and I have the cure  ;-)
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > And the award goes to
> > > Battery R&R!  UGH.  Why did they have to put the &%#)($&in air cleaner
> > > in the way?
> > > On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and
a
> > > 10mm socket and extension
> > >
> > > Luther
> >
> > --
> > OK Don, KD5NRO
> > Norman, OK
> > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
> > -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
> > '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply
> > Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go)
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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-21 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:46:59 -0500, Wonko wrote:

> You're not actually securing this beast to the battery tray,
> are you? Mass alone keeps it in place. I've had my 240D for
> about three years now, and the battery is held in place by
> gravity and has not shifted. I have cobwebs as proof.

Eeek!

Just because it has not moved in your car (yet) does not mean
it's a good idea!!

That mass that "keeps it in place" will turn from friend to
enemy as soon as you are in a situation in which seatbelts are
beneficial. I suppose you could think of the hold down clamp as
a seatbelt for your battery...

-- Philip, with secured batteries in all my road vehicles

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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-21 Thread Jim Cathey
> You're not actually securing this beast to the battery tray,
> are you?  Mass alone keeps it in place.

The purpose of the battery clamp is to keep the battery from
welding itself to the hood and starting a fire if you should
get into a rollover.  Like car insurance it's something you
don't need at all...until you do.

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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-21 Thread Wonko the Sane
I am not sure what the issue is. The battery in my W123 is right there,
looking at you.  You disconnect the cables, take a deep breath, and snatch
the big-ass'd battery out of the tray. Then you grasp your chest and take a
few deep breaths.

Take a drink of the beverage of your choice, then install new battery in
reverse steps.

You're not actually securing this beast to the battery tray, are you? Mass
alone keeps it in place. I've had my 240D for about three years now, and the
battery is held in place by gravity and has not shifted. I have cobwebs as
proof.

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:32 PM, andrew strasfogel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hey if I can do a job, it HAS to be easy!
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:26 PM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Huh It's easy and simple in the all manual 240D! You have the
> > wrong 123 my friend, and I have the cure  ;-)
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > And the award goes to
> > > Battery R&R!  UGH.  Why did they have to put the &%#)($&in air cleaner
> > > in the way?
> > > On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a
> > > 10mm socket and extension
> > >
> > > Luther
> >
> > --
> > OK Don, KD5NRO
> > Norman, OK
> > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
> > -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
> > '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply
> > Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go)
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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-21 Thread andrew strasfogel
Hey if I can do a job, it HAS to be easy!

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:26 PM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Huh It's easy and simple in the all manual 240D! You have the
> wrong 123 my friend, and I have the cure  ;-)
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > And the award goes to
> > Battery R&R!  UGH.  Why did they have to put the &%#)($&in air cleaner
> > in the way?
> > On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a
> > 10mm socket and extension
> >
> > Luther
>
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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-21 Thread OK Don
Huh It's easy and simple in the all manual 240D! You have the
wrong 123 my friend, and I have the cure  ;-)

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And the award goes to
> Battery R&R!  UGH.  Why did they have to put the &%#)($&in air cleaner
> in the way?
> On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a
> 10mm socket and extension
>
> Luther

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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-21 Thread Mitch Haley
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> I have never had any problems with this job

Maybe they have 300CDs?

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I have never had any problems with this job

Luther wrote:
> And the award goes to
> Battery R&R!  UGH.  Why did they have to put the &%#)($&in air cleaner 
> in the way? 
> On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a 
> 10mm socket and extension
> 
> Luther
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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-21 Thread andrew strasfogel
One trick is to peel back the weather seal at the top of the rear engine bay
to give another 1" of access (it's formed into ppsition rather than glued).
I do that as well when removing the fuse box cover on the opposite side...

Battery R&R on the W123 300CD took the MB roadside guy 45 minutes - it's
very tight.  It's a lot easier on the 300TD due to its more spacious engine
compartment.

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've not worked on a 124 yet.  I do know the California 123 OM617 is
> MUCH easier to R&R the battery, even easier than my 126!
>
> Luther
>
> Loren Faeth wrote:
> > Huh?
> > I remember it being more of a dance with a 124 than in the 123.  You
> > need to put the hood up first.  It only takes one wrench for the
> > cables and a 10mm socket on an extension.  I like my 12" extension. I
> > use it so much I leave it on my floppy head rachet all the time.
> >
> > It is nice when the battery has 2 handles on it.
> >
> > At 10:46 AM 8/21/2008, you wrote:
> >
> >> And the award goes to
> >> Battery R&R!  UGH.  Why did they have to put the &%#)($&in air cleaner
> >> in the way?
> >> On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a
> >> 10mm socket and extension
> >>
> >> Luther
> >>
>  > Loren Faeth
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-21 Thread Luther
I've not worked on a 124 yet.  I do know the California 123 OM617 is 
MUCH easier to R&R the battery, even easier than my 126!

Luther

Loren Faeth wrote:
> Huh?
> I remember it being more of a dance with a 124 than in the 123.  You 
> need to put the hood up first.  It only takes one wrench for the 
> cables and a 10mm socket on an extension.  I like my 12" extension. I 
> use it so much I leave it on my floppy head rachet all the time.
>
> It is nice when the battery has 2 handles on it.
>
> At 10:46 AM 8/21/2008, you wrote:
>   
>> And the award goes to
>> Battery R&R!  UGH.  Why did they have to put the &%#)($&in air cleaner
>> in the way?
>> On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a
>> 10mm socket and extension
>>
>> Luther
>> 
> Loren Faeth 
>   

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Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....

2008-08-21 Thread Loren Faeth
Huh?
I remember it being more of a dance with a 124 than in the 123.  You 
need to put the hood up first.  It only takes one wrench for the 
cables and a 10mm socket on an extension.  I like my 12" extension. I 
use it so much I leave it on my floppy head rachet all the time.

It is nice when the battery has 2 handles on it.

At 10:46 AM 8/21/2008, you wrote:
>And the award goes to
>Battery R&R!  UGH.  Why did they have to put the &%#)($&in air cleaner
>in the way?
>On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a
>10mm socket and extension
>
>Luther
>
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