Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
> Does the subject mean I have a leak? Yes. > I think it means air is in the system from a leak - correct? No. It just means that there's no longer enough refrigerant to provide a liquid feed to the evaporator. > I have R12 BTW. Do any of the aftermarket substitutes work with > safety? I believe so, yes. Others will disagree, particularly those with a vested interest in maintaining an effective monopoly on AC servicing. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
Jim Cathey wrote: >> I have R12 BTW. Do any of the aftermarket substitutes work with >> safety? > > I believe so, yes. Others will disagree, particularly those with > a vested interest in maintaining an effective monopoly on AC servicing. The substitutes will work, but they have advantages and disadvantages. You can't add a substitute to existing R12... have to vacuum it all out and replace with the substitute. They are usually blends, which means if you do have a leak you have to vacuum out and start over (except for Jim C. who blends his on the fly!). The blends are also usually flammable, which some people use as a negative point. IIRC, either R134 or R12 is flammable anyway so it doesn't really much matter. The blends also stop working above a certain ambient temperature (~100)... so if it is really toasty where you live they won't work. The replacements *are* cheaper than 12 though... Just get your EPA609 certification ($15, online, open book test) and get two or three cans on ebay for about $15 a can. Really not all that more expensive than R134. I have no vested interest in maintaining an AC servicing monopoly... I just live in the south and like cold A/C!! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
I just bought 2 cases of R134 for 3.50 a can. John Robbins wrote: > Jim Cathey wrote: >>> I have R12 BTW. Do any of the aftermarket substitutes work with >>> safety? >> I believe so, yes. Others will disagree, particularly those with >> a vested interest in maintaining an effective monopoly on AC servicing. > > The substitutes will work, but they have advantages and disadvantages. > You can't add a substitute to existing R12... have to vacuum it all out > and replace with the substitute. They are usually blends, which means > if you do have a leak you have to vacuum out and start over (except for > Jim C. who blends his on the fly!). The blends are also usually > flammable, which some people use as a negative point. IIRC, either R134 > or R12 is flammable anyway so it doesn't really much matter. The blends > also stop working above a certain ambient temperature (~100)... so if it > is really toasty where you live they won't work. The replacements *are* > cheaper than 12 though... > > Just get your EPA609 certification ($15, online, open book test) and get > two or three cans on ebay for about $15 a can. Really not all that more > expensive than R134. > > I have no vested interest in maintaining an AC servicing monopoly... I > just live in the south and like cold A/C!! > > John > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
Thx John (and Jim C), Youy wrote:<> - is that the R12? Or a R12 substitute? Sounds like it's time to get my EPA609 certification to buy - Thanks! Now, I must decide if I want to risk blending the coolants ;-) Thanks again! Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "John Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T > Jim Cathey wrote: >>> I have R12 BTW. Do any of the aftermarket substitutes work with >>> safety? >> >> I believe so, yes. Others will disagree, particularly those with >> a vested interest in maintaining an effective monopoly on AC servicing. > > The substitutes will work, but they have advantages and disadvantages. > You can't add a substitute to existing R12... have to vacuum it all out > and replace with the substitute. They are usually blends, which means > if you do have a leak you have to vacuum out and start over (except for > Jim C. who blends his on the fly!). The blends are also usually > flammable, which some people use as a negative point. IIRC, either R134 > or R12 is flammable anyway so it doesn't really much matter. The blends > also stop working above a certain ambient temperature (~100)... so if it > is really toasty where you live they won't work. The replacements *are* > cheaper than 12 though... > > Just get your EPA609 certification ($15, online, open book test) and get > two or three cans on ebay for about $15 a can. Really not all that more > expensive than R134. > > I have no vested interest in maintaining an AC servicing monopoly... I > just live in the south and like cold A/C!! > > John > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 > 3:26 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
LarryT wrote: > Thx John (and Jim C), > Youy wrote:<> - is that the R12? > Or a R12 substitute? Genuine R12. :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
It seems than at Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:22:00 -0500, John wrote: > Jim Cathey wrote: > >> I have R12 BTW. Do any of the aftermarket substitutes work with > >> safety? > > > > I believe so, yes. Others will disagree, particularly those with > > a vested interest in maintaining an effective monopoly on AC servicing. > > The substitutes will work, but they have advantages and disadvantages. > You can't add a substitute to existing R12... have to vacuum it all out > and replace with the substitute. That is what the EPA says must be done. It's not a limitation of the chemistry or the physics. -- Philip, who passed the silly EPA609 test ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
On 7/8/07, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > LarryT wrote: > > Thx John (and Jim C), > > Youy wrote:<> - is that the R12? > > Or a R12 substitute? > > Genuine R12. :) > > Can you trust an eBay seller of R12, though? I'd be leery that the cans had been relabled and actually contained whatever-ethane. Maybe if they have some kind of factory seal like the Microsoft holograms on genuine Windows CDs (not that those can't be forged, too, but apparently it's a little bit of reassurance). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D with a functioning R12 system (knock on wood) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
Alex Chamberlain wrote: > Can you trust an eBay seller of R12, though? I'd be leery that the > cans had been relabled and actually contained whatever-ethane. Maybe > if they have some kind of factory seal like the Microsoft holograms on > genuine Windows CDs (not that those can't be forged, too, but > apparently it's a little bit of reassurance). Get ones that have rust and aged labels? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
Wherever there is profit, there is fraud and the same is true for freon. This is why I only buy R12 in 12 oz cans over the net. They are punctured when used & can't be filled & resealed. Original Message From: John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 07/09/07 03:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alex Chamberlain wrote: > Can you trust an eBay seller of R12, though? I'd be leery that the > cans had been relabled and actually contained whatever-ethane. Maybe > if they have some kind of factory seal like the Microsoft holograms on > genuine Windows CDs (not that those can't be forged, too, but > apparently it's a little bit of reassurance). Get ones that have rust and aged labels? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
Tom wrote<> You;re so right! I used to work for one of th 2 major chemical companies who made Freon (so I used to hear about this stuff ) and other R12 products with other names - just like smuggling cocaine, pot, etc, there's a huge profit in freon - where it used to sold for a profit in FLAPS for $1/12oz can, now it;s being smuggled across our southern borders in tanker trucks so when it reachs the US it can be repackaged and sold. Some is sold to individuals using ebay etc but a lot is sold to shops needing r12 for customers.It's possible to buy a 12oz can and it be illegally imported freon that's been repackaged - the smuggleing is very big business and if they have to sell in cans that look new they will buy (or acquire) the equipment needed to package it -. I believe the taxes make current legal prices around $850./ pound - making for more profit than drugs and *much* less legal problems. The prison time for smuggleing freon is wy less than smuggling drugs -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T > Wherever there is profit, there is fraud and the same is true for freon. > This is why I only buy R12 in 12 oz cans over the net. They are > punctured when used & can't be filled & resealed. > > > Original Message > From: John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 07/09/07 03:31 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alex Chamberlain wrote: >> Can you trust an eBay seller of R12, though? I'd be leery that the >> cans had been relabled and actually contained whatever-ethane. Maybe >> if they have some kind of factory seal like the Microsoft holograms on >> genuine Windows CDs (not that those can't be forged, too, but >> apparently it's a little bit of reassurance). > > Get ones that have rust and aged labels? > > John > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 > 6:32 PM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
On 7/10/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's possible to buy a 12oz can and it be illegally imported > freon that's been repackaged - the smuggleing is very big business and if > they have to sell in cans that look new they will buy (or acquire) the > equipment needed to package it -. This is exactly what I'm afraid of---what's to stop a crook from packaging R22 (or something that would work even less well in an R12 system, like R134a) the same way? Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
LarryT wrote: > I believe the taxes make current legal prices around $850./ pound Where on earth did you come up with that number? Is that how much it would cost to buy new R12 manufactured in the US or something? That certainly isn't the market price! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
I love the Gaz d' Cathey method precisely because I can top-up R12 "on-the-fly". I just did my once a year top-up in the Vanagon (~$7), and recorded 33 degree vent temps in the front. Vanagons have the evaporator hung from the ceiling in the rear, with a long channel of ductwork carrying the cool air all the way forward. It's a small miracle that I get any coolness factor at all, let alone near freezing temps up there. As an aside, one thing I really dig about the overhead design is that I can train one of the vents to blow on the backside of my head and neck--very cool. On 7/8/07, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > They are usually blends, which means if you do have a leak you have to > vacuum out and start over (except for Jim C. who blends his on the fly!). > Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel --> blown turbo '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
On 7/10/07, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vanagons have the evaporator > hung from the ceiling in the rear, with a long channel of ductwork carrying > the cool air all the way forward. Hey, my mom has a Vanagon with that system. I always thought that even if it doesn't cool all that well, at least you can get at the evaporator easily if it leaks! But where's the condensor, I wonder? In the front with the radiator? Are there R-12 pipes running under the car alongside those ridiculously long coolant lines that always leak? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo and several other cars with the engine at the right end ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:57:06 -0700 Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I love the Gaz d' Cathey method precisely because I can top-up R12 > "on-the-fly". I just did my once a year top-up in the Vanagon (~$7), > and recorded 33 degree vent temps in the front. With outlet temperatures that low, your evaporator temperature is most likely less than 32 F, which means if you get any moisture, you'll freeze up your evaporator and then get no cooling because air can't flow through the evaporator. > As an aside, one thing I really dig about the overhead design is that I > can train one of the vents to blow on the backside of my head and > neck--very cool. No pun intended, of course! :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
ok - the jim c. method of "blending on the fly" - what would I add to my R12 and how would I do it? do I have to remove the r12 and fill with the other stuff? It may be easier to go to the corner mechanic and have a can of R12 put in -- BTW, I am getting my EPA certification so I can buy some r12 and keep it for the future. But the issue of getting cans of "mystery Freon" is still a concern -- Thanks to all who wrote & helped -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Craig McCluskey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T > On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:57:06 -0700 Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I love the Gaz d' Cathey method precisely because I can top-up R12 >> "on-the-fly". I just did my once a year top-up in the Vanagon (~$7), >> and recorded 33 degree vent temps in the front. > > With outlet temperatures that low, your evaporator temperature is most > likely less than 32 F, which means if you get any moisture, you'll freeze > up your evaporator and then get no cooling because air can't flow through > the evaporator. > > >> As an aside, one thing I really dig about the overhead design is that I >> can train one of the vents to blow on the backside of my head and >> neck--very cool. > > No pun intended, of course! :-) > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 > 6:32 PM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
Hi John - Had a brain hiccup - IIRC that's the price for a 30# tank making it closer to $28/ pound Is that closer? Thx for keeping me straight! ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "John Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T > LarryT wrote: >> I believe the taxes make current legal prices around $850./ pound > > Where on earth did you come up with that number? Is that how much it > would cost to buy new R12 manufactured in the US or something? That > certainly isn't the market price! > > John > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 > 6:32 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
Looks like some of you got good Vanagons. Mine was supposed to be a very nice model, but quickly was named 'The Anti-Christ' and continued to earn that name for the year I had it. I think the door handles worked pretty well, but other than that about all I can say is it didn't kill me. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T On 7/10/07, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vanagons have the evaporator > hung from the ceiling in the rear, with a long channel of ductwork > carrying the cool air all the way forward. Hey, my mom has a Vanagon with that system. I always thought that even if it doesn't cool all that well, at least you can get at the evaporator easily if it leaks! But where's the condensor, I wonder? In the front with the radiator? Are there R-12 pipes running under the car alongside those ridiculously long coolant lines that always leak? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo and several other cars with the engine at the right end ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
> ok - the jim c. method of "blending on the fly" - what would > I add to my R12 and how would I do it? I have augmented a failing R12 system with propane. (I found that the Schrader valve was loose, explaining the loss.) > do I have to remove the r12 and fill with the other stuff? No. But you will eventually. I use gauges, and when the pressures just don't work out and it doesn't cool right I just vacuum and start over. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
LarryT wrote: > Hi John - > Had a brain hiccup - IIRC that's the price for a 30# tank making it closer > to $28/ pound > > Is that closer? > > Thx for keeping me straight! Sounds much better!! ;-) Thats almost exactly in line with eBay prices when you take into account shipping and that a can is only 12oz... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
LarryT wrote: > It may be easier to go to the corner mechanic and have a can of R12 put > in -- That would be my guess... if you don't have gauges, etc. I don't think a mechanic would charge it per Jim's method anyway (not that there is anything wrong with it, but I just don't think they would). > BTW, I am getting my EPA certification so I can buy some r12 and keep it for > the future. But the issue of getting cans of "mystery Freon" is still a > concern -- IMO, I wouldn't worry about it if the can looks old. I can understand the new cans being relabeled, but I think making a can look old is more difficult than just relabeling something. I'm not a fraud expert though ;) G'luck! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
It seems than at Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:28:36 -0400, BillR wrote: > Looks like some of you got good Vanagons. Mine was supposed to be a very > nice model, but quickly was named 'The Anti-Christ' Was that a reference to the Land Rover 88 in "The Gods Must Be Crazy"? -- Philip "Oye, yoy, yoy, yoy, yoy!" ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
How correct you are. Loved the movie, though their little vehicle was a lot more reliable than my Vanagon ever was. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T It seems than at Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:28:36 -0400, BillR wrote: > Looks like some of you got good Vanagons. Mine was supposed to be a > very nice model, but quickly was named 'The Anti-Christ' Was that a reference to the Land Rover 88 in "The Gods Must Be Crazy"? -- Philip "Oye, yoy, yoy, yoy, yoy!" ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
Actually I think the reference was to the small, slow, hard to start vehicle that was used to rescue the folks when the Land Rover was up a tree. The name just fit so well for that 4 wheel torture device I had - Vanagon GL, if memory serves. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillR Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:27 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T How correct you are. Loved the movie, though their little vehicle was a lot more reliable than my Vanagon ever was. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T It seems than at Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:28:36 -0400, BillR wrote: > Looks like some of you got good Vanagons. Mine was supposed to be a > very nice model, but quickly was named 'The Anti-Christ' Was that a reference to the Land Rover 88 in "The Gods Must Be Crazy"? -- Philip "Oye, yoy, yoy, yoy, yoy!" ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
It seems than at Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:35:21 -0400, BillR wrote: > Actually I think the reference was to the small, slow, hard to start vehicle > that was used to rescue the folks when the Land Rover was up a tree. The > name just fit so well for that 4 wheel torture device I had - Vanagon GL, if > memory serves. It's been a long time since I saw that movie, but I believe the only vehicles in it were the Land Rover 88 series II, some Toyota pickups, an the bus like thing the safari guide fellow drove. -- Philip, wishing he had a winch that could get his pickup up in a tree ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:27:40 -0500 Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems than at Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:35:21 -0400, BillR wrote: > > > Actually I think the reference was to the small, slow, hard to start > > vehicle that was used to rescue the folks when the Land Rover was up a > > tree. The name just fit so well for that 4 wheel torture device I had > > - Vanagon GL, if memory serves. > > It's been a long time since I saw that movie, but I believe the > only vehicles in it were the Land Rover 88 series II, some > Toyota pickups, an the bus like thing the safari guide fellow > drove. Didn't it have a Jeep-like thing that was "driven" by an African non-driver with humorous results? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
It seems than at Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:48:19 -0600, Craig wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:27:40 -0500 Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It seems than at Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:35:21 -0400, BillR wrote: > > > > > Actually I think the reference was to the small, slow, hard to start > > > vehicle that was used to rescue the folks when the Land Rover was up a > > > tree. The name just fit so well for that 4 wheel torture device I had > > > - Vanagon GL, if memory serves. > > > > It's been a long time since I saw that movie, but I believe the > > only vehicles in it were the Land Rover 88 series II, some > > Toyota pickups, an the bus like thing the safari guide fellow > > drove. > > Didn't it have a Jeep-like thing that was "driven" by an African > non-driver with humorous results? Yup. That was probably the Land Rover driven by the bushman. -- Philip, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
