Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.
I suspect this is a non-starter for the high-end cars. Who takes their $100,000 Tesla to the airport? When the lower cost mommy-mobiles hit the street it'll be a different story I'm sure. -Curt Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:36:04 -0500 From: Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim. Message-ID: 30f2f970-a512-4159-abd4-84f6f9a38...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii As long as I know what I have to do, this would not dissuade me from getting a Tesla. I'll pay an extra buck or two a day for airport parking that let's me plug in. A market driven economy will adapt to the needs of electric car drivers. -Dave Walton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.
Curt Raymond wrote: I suspect this is a non-starter for the high-end cars. Who takes their $100,000 Tesla to the airport? When the lower cost mommy-mobiles hit the street it'll be a different story I'm sure. I think the opposite. The middle class drives their cars daily or at least weekly. The upper class is greatly outnumbered by their own cars, many of which, especially the Ferrari/Tesla toy variety, might go unused for months or even years. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.
I use mine --R On 2/24/12 1:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: I suspect this is a non-starter for the high-end cars. Who takes their $100,000 Tesla to the airport? When the lower cost mommy-mobiles hit the street it'll be a different story I'm sure. I think the opposite. The middle class drives their cars daily or at least weekly. The upper class is greatly outnumbered by their own cars, many of which, especially the Ferrari/Tesla toy variety, might go unused for months or even years. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.
And, an update: http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/252452/false-scare-tesla Of course, it never made any sense that a company would put a product on the market that could render itself useless under a normal use case. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.
That article still doesn't address the issue of what would happen if the car is left in storage for a few months without being charged- a very common scenario. Will it become a brick? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: And, an update: http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/252452/false-scare-tesla Of course, it never made any sense that a company would put a product on the market that could render itself useless under a normal use case. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.
That article still doesn't address the issue of what would happen if the car is left in storage for a few months without being charged- a very common scenario. Will it become a brick? Just like any battery, if you could completely disconnect it during storage it'd be a lot happier. But these aren't Pb batteries, they self-discharge a lot faster. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.
I'm confused. I know it's not good to discharge lead-acid batteries or even let them stand partially charged. But I've (almost) always been able to charge a dead lead-acid battery although some (maybe a lot) of the capacity is usually lost. Why are these lithium batteries incapable of recharge when fully discharged? -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Freer Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:56 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim. 6 volt batteries in a golf cart act the same way. Once they are dead, you need to find the two primary Batteries and hook up a regular 12 volt charger to wake them up. From what I read in that article, the Nissan leaf shuts down everything automatically just before the batteries go dead. MB content: MB owns 10 percent of Tulsa and they are going to use some of there technology in upcoming hybrids. Or now maybe not! John Sent from my iPad On Feb 22, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote: I was thinking about possibly purchasing the Toyota/Tesla RAV4 soon to be available, but am reconsidering after reading this. The same situation is possible with the Lithium Polymer (LiPo) batteries that I use in my radio-controlled truck, and that was a shock to me at nearly $70.00 for a new pack. $40,000 would be a bit more shocking to say the least! Luckily, I was able to resurrect my battery that I left plugged into the truck, a big nono. I had to hook it to a standard charger, charge it up to the minimal capacity (a major fire risk), and then hook it up to the LiPo charger. It worked, and the battery is as good as new. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.
Scott Ritchey wrote: I'm confused. I know it's not good to discharge lead-acid batteries or even let them stand partially charged. But I've (almost) always been able to charge a dead lead-acid battery although some (maybe a lot) of the capacity is usually lost. Why are these lithium batteries incapable of recharge when fully discharged? Unsafe to recharge, so there has to be circuitry in place to prevent it. Like somebody (Kevin?) mentioned, you can bypass the safety and hook a not-so-smart charger directly to the cell(s) in question, and probably get it charged, or possibly start a fire. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.
As long as I know what I have to do, this would not dissuade me from getting a Tesla. I'll pay an extra buck or two a day for airport parking that let's me plug in. A market driven economy will adapt to the needs of electric car drivers. -Dave Walton On Feb 23, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: That article still doesn't address the issue of what would happen if the car is left in storage for a few months without being charged- a very common scenario. Will it become a brick? Just like any battery, if you could completely disconnect it during storage it'd be a lot happier. But these aren't Pb batteries, they self-discharge a lot faster. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.
Of course, if you hooked your bricked Tesla to a dumb charger and it caught on fire, maybe, the ins co would pay for that. The fire from a 3 cell 11.1v LiPo RC battery pack is spectacular, so a fire from a pack with hundreds of times more capacity would result in very little recognizable remains if any at all :D! Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.
Wow! What a disappointment. This shit of these companies putting out garbage at the expense of US Taxpayers and not backing it up needs to stop. Mike On Feb 22, 2012 10:15 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://theunderstatement.com/post/18030062041/its-a-brick-tesla-motors-devastating-design ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.
Maybe the Chevy Volt isn't so bad after all. At least is has a self destruct sequence built in that will burn your house down then you can collect replacement costs from your homeowners insurance. eh? A but it's all GREEN !! I feel so much better . TYVM.,,, I'll keep driving my 30+ yrs old diesels. Let me know how it all works out,,, OK? Grant... On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://theunderstatement.com/post/18030062041/its-a-brick-tesla-motors-devastating-design ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.
The Volt thing is just a media scare tactic. One or two Volts WEEKS after having been in an accident caught on fire in the junkyard after NOBODY THOUGHT to pull the battery. Whats the first thing the junkyard does with a gas car? Pull the gas tank... -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 09:31:27 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim. Message-ID: cantulyi25u6s7hmutxswtoo_yvmesgz-wgt1sgfmwipc2s8...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Maybe the Chevy Volt isn't so bad after all. At least is has a self destruct sequence built in that will burn your house down then you can collect replacement costs from your homeowners insurance. eh? A but it's all GREEN !! I feel so much better . TYVM.,,, I'll keep driving my 30+ yrs old diesels. Let me know how it all works out,,, OK? Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.
I was thinking about possibly purchasing the Toyota/Tesla RAV4 soon to be available, but am reconsidering after reading this. The same situation is possible with the Lithium Polymer (LiPo) batteries that I use in my radio-controlled truck, and that was a shock to me at nearly $70.00 for a new pack. $40,000 would be a bit more shocking to say the least! Luckily, I was able to resurrect my battery that I left plugged into the truck, a big nono. I had to hook it to a standard charger, charge it up to the minimal capacity (a major fire risk), and then hook it up to the LiPo charger. It worked, and the battery is as good as new. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.
6 volt batteries in a golf cart act the same way. Once they are dead, you need to find the two primary Batteries and hook up a regular 12 volt charger to wake them up. From what I read in that article, the Nissan leaf shuts down everything automatically just before the batteries go dead. MB content: MB owns 10 percent of Tulsa and they are going to use some of there technology in upcoming hybrids. Or now maybe not! John Sent from my iPad On Feb 22, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote: I was thinking about possibly purchasing the Toyota/Tesla RAV4 soon to be available, but am reconsidering after reading this. The same situation is possible with the Lithium Polymer (LiPo) batteries that I use in my radio-controlled truck, and that was a shock to me at nearly $70.00 for a new pack. $40,000 would be a bit more shocking to say the least! Luckily, I was able to resurrect my battery that I left plugged into the truck, a big nono. I had to hook it to a standard charger, charge it up to the minimal capacity (a major fire risk), and then hook it up to the LiPo charger. It worked, and the battery is as good as new. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
