Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
You asked:more slippage during shifts - in other words, when a shift takes a longer period of time - more wear is taking place It's just like a clutch on a manual tranny. If you let the clutch out slowly the gear will engage slowly and smoothly at the expense of a buildup of heat on the clutch disc material - and subsequent wear. OTOH, letting the clutchout quickly so the geares are engaged solidly quickly, the parts will mate and little heat will be generated. Of course, the shift will be pretty abrupt. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D Does this suggest that the more slippage during shifts - in other words, when a shift takes a longer period of time - more wear is taking place? I have the feeling this is the case, as I understand that in auto trannys, a quick, crisp shift is more healthy than a drawn-out shift where the engine speed sort of takes a long slide down into the higher gear (like fingernails on chalkboard to me)? Our CRV does this under some conditions. Brian Tom wrote: For example, a lot of older Mercedes have a rough 3rd - 4th gear shift some Mercedes owners (and transmission shops) will adjust to soften the shift. But doing this slows down all shift points, causing more slippage, rapid clutch wear early failure. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/733 - Release Date: 3/25/2007 11:07 AM
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
Wha??? I almost never come to a complete stop before shifting from R to D... My Dodge Dakota (AT) has almost 200,000 miles on it and the trans still pulls strong and shifts good. The guys a the quickielube place say it shifts hard but I honestly don't notice or care. My wife has a nasty habit of shifting into R before ending forward movement which drives me up the wall. She doesn't even know she's doing it, I cry out in anguish when she does it and I get the blank stare what? Come to think of it my dad does the same shifting thing that I do, neither of us have had any trans trouble on any car with 2 exceptions. #A When the 1st gear synchro went out of my '88 GMC Jimmy (manual trans, 5spd) but it'd always popped out of gear occasionally. I think it had a bad synchro from the factory which we should have reported. #2 When I had the trans replaced on my 240D (manual trans) for what I'm now convinced was a squealing center bearing. Other than that and regular maintenance I can't think of any trans trouble in any of our family vehicles ever... You know who tend to be hard on transmissions I bet? Bulldozer drivers. Bulldozer transmissions of today are amazing things, throw it into forward up to full speed, whack it into reverse full speed, back to forward. All so hard you can hurt your neck and it'll work like that for years and years... Pretty near magic if you ask me. -Curt Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:10:26 -0400 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original You are correct in your assumption that shifting into D before coming to a complete stop in R is a bad thing. It's been one of the more emphazised warnings in all Owners Manuals. Not only are the univ joints stressed in the worst possible way, the AT is not designed for that kind of abuse. At the least it can slip/burn clutches, at worst it can break something. Your observation about people's personal opinion of their driving abilty is sadly true also. Passing a 20 question drivers license quiz and being able to parallel park is not enough. I wish each state would require at a minimum a Defensive Driving Course such as offered by Bob Bondurant and others. I'd also like the test to require a better knowledge of driving laws - at the top of my list would be, the left laneis for *Passing* not cruising. Just as important, when merging the driver *must* keep moving as fast as possible - with the applicant being told how much easier it is to merge into 55mph traffic while going 50mph than from a standing start. Re-testing every 5 years would emphasize the need to stay aware of new laws and to keep skills up. By new laws I mean: in Va they passed a law stating if conditions require windshield wipers, the headlights shall also be turned on. OK - rant off. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 26 13:47:14 2007 Received: from host337.ipowerweb.com ([72.22.69.22]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HVpXW-0003Js-Mh for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:47:14 + Received: (qmail 22301 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 13:46:12 - Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (206.109.43.202) by host337.ipowerweb.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 13:46:12 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:47:15 -0600 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky IP X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
Ever notice how everyone will tell you that they're a good driver? It's a matter of pride. Yet no thought or work goes into this thing they're proud of. Brian On 3/24/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had the tremendous *displeasure* to ride with some people who only had 2 speeds - on off. My elderly F-I-L took that one step farther - whenever he approached an intersection - even in the suburbs - he was hard on the brakes then he road the brakes as he passed the roads that intersected. Over and freakin over again. To say anything was useless - he was focussed on driving and *nothing* else got thru to him...Thankfully he stopped driving one day. I think he got scared somehow - came home, ut his keys on the hook and said, I'm never driving again. Which was the best for all involved. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D interesting story about that. i bought a wagon from my watchmaker with the warning that it goes through transmissions, as do all mercedes. he'd replaced the transmission twice in 150k miles and the current one was about to go as well. he also had to replace trannies on his 300SD and his 126 300SE. (he had similar problems with mercedes halfshafts as well) i didn't know what to think until i drove with him one day. he basically drove every moment as if he was competing at indy. i've had that wagon for 5 years now and the transmission is still as it was the day i bought it from him. On 3/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Most peoples' default mode is to mash the gas Could that be why some only get 30K out of a tranny??? pedal every time they get the chance - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D I was going to say this some time ago, but knew it would just be joke fodder. Aside from falling on its face after the clutch gets let out completely, my 240D accelerates as fast as I normally accelerate. I am not delusional though - I realize that I prefer to accelerate much slower than most people do. Most peoples' default mode is to mash the gas pedal every time they get the chance, then accelerate until reaching an obstacle, then follow it closely. Have to laugh when some of these people have some sort of green sticker displayed. Dwight wrote: My brother's stick 240D is really peppy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: 3/23/2007 3:27 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
Yeah, I wonder if he also had the habit of shifting it into a forward drive gear after backing up, yet not waiting for the backward motion to cease first? I'm not an expert, but I bet that's not good - if for nothing else, the U joints. In our auto-tranny car, I (if I'm not late for something) actually try not to be too hard into the throttle at the time that it shifts from first to second, as I think that this is the point at which the tranny takes the most abuse. Of course I'm a bit OCD about cars (probably because I don't know how to fix them and can't afford to pay anyone to do it). Brian 83 240D 00 Honda CRV Atuto tranny (for sale) On 3/24/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: interesting story about that. i bought a wagon from my watchmaker with the warning that it goes through transmissions, as do all mercedes. he'd replaced the transmission twice in 150k miles and the current one was about to go as well. he also had to replace trannies on his 300SD and his 126 300SE. (he had similar problems with mercedes halfshafts as well) i didn't know what to think until i drove with him one day. he basically drove every moment as if he was competing at indy. i've had that wagon for 5 years now and the transmission is still as it was the day i bought it from him. On 3/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Most peoples' default mode is to mash the gas Could that be why some only get 30K out of a tranny??? pedal every time they get the chance - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D I was going to say this some time ago, but knew it would just be joke fodder. Aside from falling on its face after the clutch gets let out completely, my 240D accelerates as fast as I normally accelerate. I am not delusional though - I realize that I prefer to accelerate much slower than most people do. Most peoples' default mode is to mash the gas pedal every time they get the chance, then accelerate until reaching an obstacle, then follow it closely. Have to laugh when some of these people have some sort of green sticker displayed. Dwight wrote: My brother's stick 240D is really peppy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
You are correct in your assumption that shifting into D before coming to a complete stop in R is a bad thing. It's been one of the more emphazised warnings in all Owners Manuals. Not only are the univ joints stressed in the worst possible way, the AT is not designed for that kind of abuse. At the least it can slip/burn clutches, at worst it can break something. Your observation about people's personal opinion of their driving abilty is sadly true also. Passing a 20 question drivers license quiz and being able to parallel park is not enough. I wish each state would require at a minimum a Defensive Driving Course such as offered by Bob Bondurant and others. I'd also like the test to require a better knowledge of driving laws - at the top of my list would be, the left laneis for *Passing* not cruising. Just as important, when merging the driver *must* keep moving as fast as possible - with the applicant being told how much easier it is to merge into 55mph traffic while going 50mph than from a standing start. Re-testing every 5 years would emphasize the need to stay aware of new laws and to keep skills up. By new laws I mean: in Va they passed a law stating if conditions require windshield wipers, the headlights shall also be turned on. OK - rant off. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D Yeah, I wonder if he also had the habit of shifting it into a forward drive gear after backing up, yet not waiting for the backward motion to cease first? I'm not an expert, but I bet that's not good - if for nothing else, the U joints. In our auto-tranny car, I (if I'm not late for something) actually try not to be too hard into the throttle at the time that it shifts from first to second, as I think that this is the point at which the tranny takes the most abuse. Of course I'm a bit OCD about cars (probably because I don't know how to fix them and can't afford to pay anyone to do it). Brian 83 240D 00 Honda CRV Atuto tranny (for sale) On 3/24/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: interesting story about that. i bought a wagon from my watchmaker with the warning that it goes through transmissions, as do all mercedes. he'd replaced the transmission twice in 150k miles and the current one was about to go as well. he also had to replace trannies on his 300SD and his 126 300SE. (he had similar problems with mercedes halfshafts as well) i didn't know what to think until i drove with him one day. he basically drove every moment as if he was competing at indy. i've had that wagon for 5 years now and the transmission is still as it was the day i bought it from him. On 3/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Most peoples' default mode is to mash the gas Could that be why some only get 30K out of a tranny??? pedal every time they get the chance - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D I was going to say this some time ago, but knew it would just be joke fodder. Aside from falling on its face after the clutch gets let out completely, my 240D accelerates as fast as I normally accelerate. I am not delusional though - I realize that I prefer to accelerate much slower than most people do. Most peoples' default mode is to mash the gas pedal every time they get the chance, then accelerate until reaching an obstacle, then follow it closely. Have to laugh when some of these people have some sort of green sticker displayed. Dwight wrote: My brother's stick 240D is really peppy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
Actually an on-target rant, Larry. In your earlier post you mentioned the elderly driver problem-that is a tough one. In our family an elderly family member hit two motorcycles at once; State of NC gave him an eye test and said he could drive for 5 more years. End of story. Rant off. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 7:10 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D You are correct in your assumption that shifting into D before coming to a complete stop in R is a bad thing. It's been one of the more emphazised warnings in all Owners Manuals. Not only are the univ joints stressed in the worst possible way, the AT is not designed for that kind of abuse. At the least it can slip/burn clutches, at worst it can break something. Your observation about people's personal opinion of their driving abilty is sadly true also. Passing a 20 question drivers license quiz and being able to parallel park is not enough. I wish each state would require at a minimum a Defensive Driving Course such as offered by Bob Bondurant and others. I'd also like the test to require a better knowledge of driving laws - at the top of my list would be, the left laneis for *Passing* not cruising. Just as important, when merging the driver *must* keep moving as fast as possible - with the applicant being told how much easier it is to merge into 55mph traffic while going 50mph than from a standing start. Re-testing every 5 years would emphasize the need to stay aware of new laws and to keep skills up. By new laws I mean: in Va they passed a law stating if conditions require windshield wipers, the headlights shall also be turned on. OK - rant off. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D Yeah, I wonder if he also had the habit of shifting it into a forward drive gear after backing up, yet not waiting for the backward motion to cease first? I'm not an expert, but I bet that's not good - if for nothing else, the U joints. In our auto-tranny car, I (if I'm not late for something) actually try not to be too hard into the throttle at the time that it shifts from first to second, as I think that this is the point at which the tranny takes the most abuse. Of course I'm a bit OCD about cars (probably because I don't know how to fix them and can't afford to pay anyone to do it). Brian 83 240D 00 Honda CRV Atuto tranny (for sale) On 3/24/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: interesting story about that. i bought a wagon from my watchmaker with the warning that it goes through transmissions, as do all mercedes. he'd replaced the transmission twice in 150k miles and the current one was about to go as well. he also had to replace trannies on his 300SD and his 126 300SE. (he had similar problems with mercedes halfshafts as well) i didn't know what to think until i drove with him one day. he basically drove every moment as if he was competing at indy. i've had that wagon for 5 years now and the transmission is still as it was the day i bought it from him. On 3/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Most peoples' default mode is to mash the gas Could that be why some only get 30K out of a tranny??? pedal every time they get the chance - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D I was going to say this some time ago, but knew it would just be joke fodder. Aside from falling on its face after the clutch gets let out completely, my 240D accelerates as fast as I normally accelerate. I am not delusional though - I realize that I prefer to accelerate much slower than most people do. Most peoples' default mode is to mash the gas pedal every time they get the chance, then accelerate until reaching an obstacle, then follow it closely. Have to laugh when some of these people have some sort of green sticker displayed. Dwight wrote: My brother's stick 240D is really peppy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
An automatic transmission uses a set of clutches to switch planetary gear sets in out, changing the overall gear ratio of the transmission. These clutches are made of a material similar to brake shoe material they are actually designed to wear out. Once in gear, there's not much to wear but the bearings they usually don't wear out. In other words, a transmission has a finite service life depending on the type of service it provides. This means that a transmission used for highway driving can easily out-last one driven only around town by 4X or more just because it shifts less. The clutches grab release very fast the wear is very minimal regardless of how hard you drive the car. But one thing that will wear out a transmission fast is mis-adjustment. For example, a lot of older Mercedes have a rough 3rd - 4th gear shift some Mercedes owners (and transmission shops) will adjust to soften the shift. But doing this slows down all shift points, causing more slippage, rapid clutch wear early failure. If you had a Mercedes transmission rebuilt and it lasted less than 150,000 miles the failure was not caused by a failed 'hard part' than the cause was likely mis-adjustment, either a setting made during the rebuild or an 'under hood' adjustment (someone fiddled with the engine feedback to soften shifts or change shift timing). Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D Yeah, I wonder if he also had the habit of shifting it into a forward drive gear after backing up, yet not waiting for the backward motion to cease first? I'm not an expert, but I bet that's not good - if for nothing else, the U joints. In our auto-tranny car, I (if I'm not late for something) actually try not to be too hard into the throttle at the time that it shifts from first to second, as I think that this is the point at which the tranny takes the most abuse. Of course I'm a bit OCD about cars (probably because I don't know how to fix them and can't afford to pay anyone to do it). Brian 83 240D 00 Honda CRV Atuto tranny (for sale) On 3/24/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: interesting story about that. i bought a wagon from my watchmaker with the warning that it goes through transmissions, as do all mercedes. he'd replaced the transmission twice in 150k miles and the current one was about to go as well. he also had to replace trannies on his 300SD and his 126 300SE. (he had similar problems with mercedes halfshafts as well) i didn't know what to think until i drove with him one day. he basically drove every moment as if he was competing at indy. i've had that wagon for 5 years now and the transmission is still as it was the day i bought it from him. On 3/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Most peoples' default mode is to mash the gas Could that be why some only get 30K out of a tranny??? pedal every time they get the chance - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D I was going to say this some time ago, but knew it would just be joke fodder. Aside from falling on its face after the clutch gets let out completely, my 240D accelerates as fast as I normally accelerate. I am not delusional though - I realize that I prefer to accelerate much slower than most people do. Most peoples' default mode is to mash the gas pedal every time they get the chance, then accelerate until reaching an obstacle, then follow it closely. Have to laugh when some of these people have some sort of green sticker displayed. Dwight wrote: My brother's stick 240D is really peppy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
Does this suggest that the more slippage during shifts - in other words, when a shift takes a longer period of time - more wear is taking place? I have the feeling this is the case, as I understand that in auto trannys, a quick, crisp shift is more healthy than a drawn-out shift where the engine speed sort of takes a long slide down into the higher gear (like fingernails on chalkboard to me)? Our CRV does this under some conditions. Brian Tom wrote: For example, a lot of older Mercedes have a rough 3rd - 4th gear shift some Mercedes owners (and transmission shops) will adjust to soften the shift. But doing this slows down all shift points, causing more slippage, rapid clutch wear early failure.
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
You wrote:the elderly driver problem-that is a tough one Boy Howdy! You hit the nail on the head. Telling Pops he can't drive anymore is something no Son wants to do - tantamount to taking away Freedom itself. Likely something Mom or Dad has done for 50, 60 or more years and this little kid is going to say he can't drive anymore? Yeah, right. Ageing is tough enough without having to find someone to drive them everywhere - and public transportation is either non-existant or dangerous. It's a very difficult problem. As you point out, waiting for the DMV to take action is hopeless. They're more likely to give DLs to illegal immigrants than take away Gramps driving privilege. Even if Gramps hobbles in using a white cane. tap, tap, tap Later - enjoy your Sunday - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D Actually an on-target rant, Larry. In your earlier post you mentioned the elderly driver problem-that is a tough one. In our family an elderly family member hit two motorcycles at once; State of NC gave him an eye test and said he could drive for 5 more years. End of story. Rant off. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 7:10 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D You are correct in your assumption that shifting into D before coming to a complete stop in R is a bad thing. It's been one of the more emphazised warnings in all Owners Manuals. Not only are the univ joints stressed in the worst possible way, the AT is not designed for that kind of abuse. At the least it can slip/burn clutches, at worst it can break something. Your observation about people's personal opinion of their driving abilty is sadly true also. Passing a 20 question drivers license quiz and being able to parallel park is not enough. I wish each state would require at a minimum a Defensive Driving Course such as offered by Bob Bondurant and others. I'd also like the test to require a better knowledge of driving laws - at the top of my list would be, the left laneis for *Passing* not cruising. Just as important, when merging the driver *must* keep moving as fast as possible - with the applicant being told how much easier it is to merge into 55mph traffic while going 50mph than from a standing start. Re-testing every 5 years would emphasize the need to stay aware of new laws and to keep skills up. By new laws I mean: in Va they passed a law stating if conditions require windshield wipers, the headlights shall also be turned on. OK - rant off. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D Yeah, I wonder if he also had the habit of shifting it into a forward drive gear after backing up, yet not waiting for the backward motion to cease first? I'm not an expert, but I bet that's not good - if for nothing else, the U joints. In our auto-tranny car, I (if I'm not late for something) actually try not to be too hard into the throttle at the time that it shifts from first to second, as I think that this is the point at which the tranny takes the most abuse. Of course I'm a bit OCD about cars (probably because I don't know how to fix them and can't afford to pay anyone to do it). Brian 83 240D 00 Honda CRV Atuto tranny (for sale) On 3/24/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: interesting story about that. i bought a wagon from my watchmaker with the warning that it goes through transmissions, as do all mercedes. he'd replaced the transmission twice in 150k miles and the current one was about to go as well. he also had to replace trannies on his 300SD and his 126 300SE. (he had similar problems with mercedes halfshafts as well) i didn't know what to think until i drove with him one day. he basically drove every moment as if he was competing at indy. i've had that wagon for 5 years now and the transmission is still as it was the day i bought it from him. On 3/24/07, [EMAIL
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
That is correct, that is why MB trannies shift more firm and last longer. Zoltan Finks wrote: Does this suggest that the more slippage during shifts - in other words, when a shift takes a longer period of time - more wear is taking place? I have the feeling this is the case, as I understand that in auto trannys, a quick, crisp shift is more healthy than a drawn-out shift where the engine speed sort of takes a long slide down into the higher gear (like fingernails on chalkboard to me)? Our CRV does this under some conditions. Brian Tom wrote: For example, a lot of older Mercedes have a rough 3rd - 4th gear shift some Mercedes owners (and transmission shops) will adjust to soften the shift. But doing this slows down all shift points, causing more slippage, rapid clutch wear early failure. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
I was going to say this some time ago, but knew it would just be joke fodder. Aside from falling on its face after the clutch gets let out completely, my 240D accelerates as fast as I normally accelerate. I am not delusional though - I realize that I prefer to accelerate much slower than most people do. Most peoples' default mode is to mash the gas pedal every time they get the chance, then accelerate until reaching an obstacle, then follow it closely. Have to laugh when some of these people have some sort of green sticker displayed. Dwight wrote: My brother's stick 240D is really peppy.
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
. Most peoples' default mode is to mash the gas Could that be why some only get 30K out of a tranny??? pedal every time they get the chance - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D I was going to say this some time ago, but knew it would just be joke fodder. Aside from falling on its face after the clutch gets let out completely, my 240D accelerates as fast as I normally accelerate. I am not delusional though - I realize that I prefer to accelerate much slower than most people do. Most peoples' default mode is to mash the gas pedal every time they get the chance, then accelerate until reaching an obstacle, then follow it closely. Have to laugh when some of these people have some sort of green sticker displayed. Dwight wrote: My brother's stick 240D is really peppy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
interesting story about that. i bought a wagon from my watchmaker with the warning that it goes through transmissions, as do all mercedes. he'd replaced the transmission twice in 150k miles and the current one was about to go as well. he also had to replace trannies on his 300SD and his 126 300SE. (he had similar problems with mercedes halfshafts as well) i didn't know what to think until i drove with him one day. he basically drove every moment as if he was competing at indy. i've had that wagon for 5 years now and the transmission is still as it was the day i bought it from him. On 3/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Most peoples' default mode is to mash the gas Could that be why some only get 30K out of a tranny??? pedal every time they get the chance - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D I was going to say this some time ago, but knew it would just be joke fodder. Aside from falling on its face after the clutch gets let out completely, my 240D accelerates as fast as I normally accelerate. I am not delusional though - I realize that I prefer to accelerate much slower than most people do. Most peoples' default mode is to mash the gas pedal every time they get the chance, then accelerate until reaching an obstacle, then follow it closely. Have to laugh when some of these people have some sort of green sticker displayed. Dwight wrote: My brother's stick 240D is really peppy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
I've had the tremendous *displeasure* to ride with some people who only had 2 speeds - on off. My elderly F-I-L took that one step farther - whenever he approached an intersection - even in the suburbs - he was hard on the brakes then he road the brakes as he passed the roads that intersected. Over and freakin over again. To say anything was useless - he was focussed on driving and *nothing* else got thru to him...Thankfully he stopped driving one day. I think he got scared somehow - came home, ut his keys on the hook and said, I'm never driving again. Which was the best for all involved. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D interesting story about that. i bought a wagon from my watchmaker with the warning that it goes through transmissions, as do all mercedes. he'd replaced the transmission twice in 150k miles and the current one was about to go as well. he also had to replace trannies on his 300SD and his 126 300SE. (he had similar problems with mercedes halfshafts as well) i didn't know what to think until i drove with him one day. he basically drove every moment as if he was competing at indy. i've had that wagon for 5 years now and the transmission is still as it was the day i bought it from him. On 3/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Most peoples' default mode is to mash the gas Could that be why some only get 30K out of a tranny??? pedal every time they get the chance - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D I was going to say this some time ago, but knew it would just be joke fodder. Aside from falling on its face after the clutch gets let out completely, my 240D accelerates as fast as I normally accelerate. I am not delusional though - I realize that I prefer to accelerate much slower than most people do. Most peoples' default mode is to mash the gas pedal every time they get the chance, then accelerate until reaching an obstacle, then follow it closely. Have to laugh when some of these people have some sort of green sticker displayed. Dwight wrote: My brother's stick 240D is really peppy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: 3/23/2007 3:27 PM
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
I drive my 240D auto from southern RI to Boston -145 mile RT 2-3 times a week. It is a good middle lane car on a 3 lane interstate. AS was noted earlier, you have to learn to anticipate and focus on skill not horsepower. Of course, it is a treat on the easy I drive the 300D 2.5t and kick the turbo in on the outside lane. The AC doesn't work on my 240D so I only have the automatic drawing horsepower. My brother's stick 240D is really peppy. Dwight E. Giles, Jr., Ph.D. Professor of Higher Education Administration University of Massachusetts, Boston Boston, MA 617.287.7621 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Weeks Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:44 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D do 35K a year on every interstate from Bangor Maine to Bellefonte Ohio to Richmond VA. 1979 240D Auto, the roads are still made with the same material they were 30 years ago. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
Amen That is a good description of what Mercedes do best. The new STAR has an article about 3 elderly MBs running in the Carrera Panamerica, 2 pontons and a 111. Two of the trio won their class, the third, with an ameteur driver did respectably. All were essentially stock. 110s and 111 on rough terrain are amazing. I never drove a ponton, so i can't say about them. At 07:43 PM 3/22/2007, you wrote: Much of the time, I was running 80-85 in effortless comfort, and given my other vehicular experiences, appreciating every mile of it. Even on the two-lanes I was doing 70, passing supposedly better-handling cars whose drivers were jarring their fillings loose on the frost heaves at the 50 mph speed limit. Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
Which ones won? I saw one in Houston back in the fall, we discussed it a bit, I forget now what it was, some German soap powder sponsor or something. --R Loren Faeth wrote: Amen That is a good description of what Mercedes do best. The new STAR has an article about 3 elderly MBs running in the Carrera Panamerica, 2 pontons and a 111. Two of the trio won their class, the third, with an ameteur driver did respectably. All were essentially stock. 110s and 111 on rough terrain are amazing. I never drove a ponton, so i can't say about them.
