Re: [MBZ] E85
Yo Fool! E85 is for flex fuel vehicles, not for regular gassers. I never said you should run e85 in anything that was not made for it. In the civilized parts of the country, lots of gassers since somewhere in the 90s are flex fuel. My 99 van was flex fuel and the 2000 van is flex fuel. My next van will also be flex fuel unless I get a sprinter. Pooch-head stated "Flex fuel cars also use considerably more fuel so their range is shorter. " That is patently untrue. a flex fuel vehicle burning e10 has the same range as the same vehicle in the non-flex fuel version (assuming the same engine, tanks size etc.) burning the same fuel in the same conditions. The same flex fuel vehicle running E85 will have a shorter range when it is burning E85. This is because E85 has fewer BTUs per pound than "gasoline." The gummit this week stated that 90% of all vehicles on the road now are 1990 or newer. The gummit also only approved e15 for 2007 and newer vehicles. Not your 1957 pooch. So run your pooch and your hupmobie on avgas or whatever voodoo magic you want. Like it or not, cellulosic ethanol will be the fuel of the future (along with Diesel) until something that is now sci fi comes along and is cheaper and better. It is going to be tough to compete with ethanol that can be produced for $1/gallon. Not beyond 10% ethanol, despite what has been posted by Greasehead. He admits he knows nothing about cars beyond maybe the mid 90's (this week, in fact) but claims that it's all irrelevant. The fact is that the manufacturers do know what's required to use ethanol beyond 10%. My 2008 C300 automatic is MB's only US market flex fuel vehicle designed for E85. Every single component that is touched by the fuel is different than the rest of their cars. The fuel tanks, every 0-ring and seal, the fuel pump, the engine management computer, the O2 sensors and the injectors. To switch from pump gas to E85, the tank must be below 1/4 but not into the reserve. When the O2 sensors (4) detect the lean mixture of the E85, the system increases flow through the injectors to get the mixture back into the right range. This proves why E85 cannot be used in cars that can't do this. Flex fuel cars also use considerably more fuel so their range is shorter. As to Brazilian cars running on ethanol, they have different fuel systems than US cars, despite statements to the contrary. As do race cars. BTW, Porsche 911s with CIS engines that are not used much are having fuel distributor failures in California. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] E85
> It's the whole 'we need oxygenated fuels' idea that I'm against. I > want > hydrocarb0ons, not oxidizers, in my fuel tank, thank you. Any car with an > oxygen > sensor is going to richen up the fuel mixture to compensate for any oxygen > present in the fuel, and that means every car made since about 1985 or > so > Not beyond 10% ethanol, despite what has been posted by Greasehead. He admits he knows nothing about cars beyond maybe the mid 90's (this week, in fact) but claims that it's all irrelevant. The fact is that the manufacturers do know what's required to use ethanol beyond 10%. My 2008 C300 automatic is MB's only US market flex fuel vehicle designed for E85. Every single component that is touched by the fuel is different than the rest of their cars. The fuel tanks, every 0-ring and seal, the fuel pump, the engine management computer, the O2 sensors and the injectors. To switch from pump gas to E85, the tank must be below 1/4 but not into the reserve. When the O2 sensors (4) detect the lean mixture of the E85, the system increases flow through the injectors to get the mixture back into the right range. This proves why E85 cannot be used in cars that can't do this. Flex fuel cars also use considerably more fuel so their range is shorter. As to Brazilian cars running on ethanol, they have different fuel systems than US cars, despite statements to the contrary. As do race cars. BTW, Porsche 911s with CIS engines that are not used much are having fuel distributor failures in California. RLE > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] E85 ***ADMIN***
OK, now we are starting to cross the line with flaming. Lets tone it back a bit or take it over to banned. relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I find it hard to believe that D(whatever they want to call themselves now) would abandon the brazillian market. E85 is the thing there for years. It is funny that it works just fine for thousands of people, but not RLE. ReaLE? Consider the source. Thank you for the uninformed and insulting post. I was not referring to the Brazilian market. I have little interest in MB cars designed for the Brazilian market but I am well aware of ethanol use there. It should be obvious even to you that I live in the US and drive a US market car and therefore that is what I referred to. And to fill in that mental void you have about using E85 in anything, every single component that can contact E85 must be changed to ethanol proof which includes the fuel tanks. So, the only current US model MB so equipped was the 3-liter C-Class. My guess is the cost to modify the car (as a gesture to the greenies) for E85 didn't result in sales to people who would buy it just for environmental purposes. Similar to those who buy new Jettas and pay the higher cost of biodiesel. I realize that on your planet, these things never come up. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] E85
MEEE--YOW --R relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I find it hard to believe that D(whatever they want to call themselves now) would abandon the brazillian market. E85 is the thing there for years. It is funny that it works just fine for thousands of people, but not RLE. ReaLE? Consider the source. Thank you for the uninformed and insulting post. I was not referring to the Brazilian market. I have little interest in MB cars designed for the Brazilian market but I am well aware of ethanol use there. It should be obvious even to you that I live in the US and drive a US market car and therefore that is what I referred to. And to fill in that mental void you have about using E85 in anything, every single component that can contact E85 must be changed to ethanol proof which includes the fuel tanks. So, the only current US model MB so equipped was the 3-liter C-Class. My guess is the cost to modify the car (as a gesture to the greenies) for E85 didn't result in sales to people who would buy it just for environmental purposes. Similar to those who buy new Jettas and pay the higher cost of biodiesel. I realize that on your planet, these things never come up. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] E85
> ...I find it hard to believe that D(whatever they want to call themselves > now) would abandon the brazillian market. E85 is the thing there for > years. It is funny that it works just fine for thousands of people, but > not RLE. ReaLE? Consider the source. > Thank you for the uninformed and insulting post. I was not referring to the Brazilian market. I have little interest in MB cars designed for the Brazilian market but I am well aware of ethanol use there. It should be obvious even to you that I live in the US and drive a US market car and therefore that is what I referred to. And to fill in that mental void you have about using E85 in anything, every single component that can contact E85 must be changed to ethanol proof which includes the fuel tanks. So, the only current US model MB so equipped was the 3-liter C-Class. My guess is the cost to modify the car (as a gesture to the greenies) for E85 didn't result in sales to people who would buy it just for environmental purposes. Similar to those who buy new Jettas and pay the higher cost of biodiesel. I realize that on your planet, these things never come up. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] E85?
only every dodge caravan I have ever seen is flex fuel. a few years ago, that (dodge caravans) was about 25% of the vehicles on the road. I don't know about the rest of the domestic models, but Ford corp, Chrysler corp and GM corp have all had flex fuel vehicles available for several years. there are quite a few options for us to buy e85, and every pump at every station in Iowa and many in surrounding states has e10 If you happen to live in a parochial (definition 3) corner of the country, it does not mean the rest of the country is like your part. This IS a big country. If you want proof of this, just try to find a good tenderloin sandwich outside of the Midwest, and see the looks you get! Around here, every little town has at least one place to get a good tenderloin. At 03:25 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: > > ..Who's making fun of ethanol now? Our gas is $3.35 and there is > plenty of > > it available here, along with E85 at $2.55.. > > >E85 prices don't have a lot to do with gasoline since ethanol is subsidized. >And who do you know that has an E85 vehicle, anyway? > >I do, and there is one station in Western Washington selling it, 175 miles >from me. > >RLE > > > > > > > > >** >Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial >challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and >information, tips and >calculators. > (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall0001) >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] E85?
A friend of mine bought a new flex fuel Silverado. Last I talked to him, he had not run E85 in it but he assured me it would only cost drop his fuel economy by one mpg or so. I think he'd dreaming (or a salesman said what he wanted to hear) and the real loss will be around 1/3. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] E85?
> ..Who's making fun of ethanol now? Our gas is $3.35 and there is plenty of > it available here, along with E85 at $2.55.. > E85 prices don't have a lot to do with gasoline since ethanol is subsidized. And who do you know that has an E85 vehicle, anyway? I do, and there is one station in Western Washington selling it, 175 miles from me. RLE > > ** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall0001) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] E85
> < vehicle that's not equipped to run it *IF* you are going to run the whole of > the fuel through the system within a day or so.>> > The only current MB designated as a flex-fuel vehicle is the C240 and has been so for about three model years. No others. Let us all know how it turns out. You do have towing coverage, right? RLE
