Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
Products are so much more reliable today so folks don't have to tune the vehicle a couple of times a year. I used to put new plugs in my car spring and fall and adjust the carb etc. Don't have to do that anymore so the younger ones have not been trained to do it. No worries - just get in it and go. Randy On 20/04/2012 7:12 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: I think a big thing is extra effort needs to be put in to repair things that weren't designed to be repaired, they were designed to be disposed of. That and the fact that kids now days have plenty to keep them entertained, without have to resort to taking things apart and attempting to put them back together for amusement. My oldest kid is the exception. I have repaired many of his "projects" and now that he is in his late teens, he actually is getting better. Rick Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 20, 2012, at 6:10 PM, "Allan Streib" wrote: But I do agree that people don't seem to be as interested in how things work anymore... across the board, not just cars. ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
Things have changed so much. I learned to drive on standard transmission vehicles with a manual choke and no power steering etc. One had to know a little bit about the vehicle in order to drive it. Today, everything is pretty much automatic. Turn the key, pull it into drive and off you go. Don't generally have any concern about whether it will start or how much to slip the clutch to get it moving. I am not old enough to have learned on vehicles that also required one to set the timing and then advance it once running - or to set it up and then get out and turn the crank to get it to go. The younger folks have generally been trained to do nothing apart from stomp on the gas and steer. Randy On 20/04/2012 6:10 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Rick Knoble writes: When I was a child, (I am in my fifties, same age as Wilton's daughter) things were built to be repaired. Of course a domestic automobile needed maintenance every few thousand miles and if neglected you'd be lucky to make it past 75,000 miles before it went to the junk yard. Some cars now days aren't supposed to be serviced in the first hundred thousand miles, save for oil changes... I think there is a certain romantic view of this, and that most people would be completely annoyed if they had to go back to adjusting points every few thousand miles, replacing plugs every 10K miles, tires and brakes that only last 20K miles, lube required at 20 different grease nipples on the chassis, etc. As it is I barely seem to find the time to keep my oil changed, I can't imagine having to keep up with all that other stuff on my cars. But I do agree that people don't seem to be as interested in how things work anymore... across the board, not just cars. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
Sounds like me as a child. I would have been a poster child for the MAKE movement. Dan clay monroe wrote: >As a kid, I destroyed all the technical toys from radios, wind up cars, record >players and anything with a battery or motor. There was a 50/50 chance I >could get it back functional, but I at least found out how the thing was meant >to work. There were some things I really felt badly about killing. And it >did feel like murder, because there was no reason I could come up with for >their not coming back to life. It was all back the way I found it. Just was >missing the spark. > >Now you have plug and play, swap out and pop in. If that. Admonitions to >refrain from opening cases, looking inside, lest you free the magic pixies and >in the process they cast the faery dust where it does not belong. > > > >clay > > >1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green >1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran >1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial >POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > > > > > > > >On Apr 20, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: > >> I think a big thing is extra effort needs to be put in to repair things that >> weren't designed to be repaired, they were designed to be disposed of. That >> and the fact that kids now days have plenty to keep them entertained, >> without have to resort to taking things apart and attempting to put them >> back together for amusement. My oldest kid is the exception. I have repaired >> many of his "projects" and now that he is in his late teens, he actually is >> getting better. >> >> Rick >> Sent from my iPhone. >> >> On Apr 20, 2012, at 6:10 PM, "Allan Streib" wrote: >> >>> But I do agree that people don't seem to be as interested in how things >>> work anymore... across the board, not just cars. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
As a kid, I destroyed all the technical toys from radios, wind up cars, record players and anything with a battery or motor. There was a 50/50 chance I could get it back functional, but I at least found out how the thing was meant to work. There were some things I really felt badly about killing. And it did feel like murder, because there was no reason I could come up with for their not coming back to life. It was all back the way I found it. Just was missing the spark. Now you have plug and play, swap out and pop in. If that. Admonitions to refrain from opening cases, looking inside, lest you free the magic pixies and in the process they cast the faery dust where it does not belong. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Apr 20, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: > I think a big thing is extra effort needs to be put in to repair things that > weren't designed to be repaired, they were designed to be disposed of. That > and the fact that kids now days have plenty to keep them entertained, without > have to resort to taking things apart and attempting to put them back > together for amusement. My oldest kid is the exception. I have repaired many > of his "projects" and now that he is in his late teens, he actually is > getting better. > > Rick > Sent from my iPhone. > > On Apr 20, 2012, at 6:10 PM, "Allan Streib" wrote: > >> But I do agree that people don't seem to be as interested in how things >> work anymore... across the board, not just cars. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
Today we are not allowed or supposed to take care of the car. We take it to the dealer while it is on lease, but quickly figure out that the thing will fall apart sooner, rather than later, so why bother? Too hard to work on ourselves, so disincentive to get under the hood. Lifetime transmissions and sealed oil pans. The old cars required attention and rewarded you with reliability. If you invested, you got a solid return with a car you could expect to sell on down the line, and the buyer, should they take care, could sell a serviceable vehicle when they had gotten use out of it. You got the pleasure of taking it off the lot new, and enjoying that "new" car feeling. Now you get it off the lot and wonder how long it will last before you have to replace it, instead of being able to trade up in a few years. Going to PnP, you see the quality of the two generations of ... well four, really. The old steel, that battled on for many decades and could be revived if you really wanted something that classic. The post opec crisis cars that were still built to last, but corners were cut along the way. Those tin econo box flivvers that just rotted out over twenty years because nobody was willing to take time to care for them. AND the junk on the lots since the turn of the century. These are crap. Total crap that may as well have been formed from old microwave cases, shelf liner, recycled carpet pad, and mouse droppings. These are destined to arrive at the junk yard within ten years of leaving the dealer lot and heading back to china as scrap metal. clay On Apr 20, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > Rick Knoble writes: > >> When I was a child, (I am in my fifties, same age as Wilton's >> daughter) things were built to be repaired. Of course a domestic >> automobile needed maintenance every few thousand miles and if >> neglected you'd be lucky to make it past 75,000 miles before it went >> to the junk yard. Some cars now days aren't supposed to be serviced in >> the first hundred thousand miles, save for oil changes... > > I think there is a certain romantic view of this, and that most people > would be completely annoyed if they had to go back to adjusting points > every few thousand miles, replacing plugs every 10K miles, tires and > brakes that only last 20K miles, lube required at 20 different grease > nipples on the chassis, etc. As it is I barely seem to find the time to > keep my oil changed, I can't imagine having to keep up with all that > other stuff on my cars. > > But I do agree that people don't seem to be as interested in how things > work anymore... across the board, not just cars. > > -- > 1983 300D > 1979 300SD > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
Rick Knoble writes: > I think a big thing is extra effort needs to be put in to repair > things that weren't designed to be repaired, they were designed to be > disposed of. That and the fact that kids now days have plenty to keep > them entertained, without have to resort to taking things apart and > attempting to put them back together for amusement. My oldest kid is > the exception. I have repaired many of his "projects" and now that he > is in his late teens, he actually is getting better. When I was about 8 or 9 I took apart our lawn mower. Opened up the engine and everything. When I put it back together it didn't work. My dad helped me take it apart again and showed me how the timing marks on two gears inside the case had to line up or it wouldn't run. Was quite educational. He also wasn't really too mad about it. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
I think a big thing is extra effort needs to be put in to repair things that weren't designed to be repaired, they were designed to be disposed of. That and the fact that kids now days have plenty to keep them entertained, without have to resort to taking things apart and attempting to put them back together for amusement. My oldest kid is the exception. I have repaired many of his "projects" and now that he is in his late teens, he actually is getting better. Rick Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 20, 2012, at 6:10 PM, "Allan Streib" wrote: > But I do agree that people don't seem to be as interested in how things > work anymore... across the board, not just cars. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
Yes exactly. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 20, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > I think this is especially true when it comes to our kids. They just don't > seem to have the interest in learning how things work in a lot of cases. > That's what drove me as a youngster, and still does to some extent today. > > Dan > > > On Apr 20, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > >> Rick Knoble writes: >> >>> When I was a child, (I am in my fifties, same age as Wilton's >>> daughter) things were built to be repaired. Of course a domestic >>> automobile needed maintenance every few thousand miles and if >>> neglected you'd be lucky to make it past 75,000 miles before it went >>> to the junk yard. Some cars now days aren't supposed to be serviced in >>> the first hundred thousand miles, save for oil changes... >> >> I think there is a certain romantic view of this, and that most people >> would be completely annoyed if they had to go back to adjusting points >> every few thousand miles, replacing plugs every 10K miles, tires and >> brakes that only last 20K miles, lube required at 20 different grease >> nipples on the chassis, etc. As it is I barely seem to find the time to >> keep my oil changed, I can't imagine having to keep up with all that >> other stuff on my cars. >> >> But I do agree that people don't seem to be as interested in how things >> work anymore... across the board, not just cars. >> >> -- >> 1983 300D >> 1979 300SD >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
I think this is especially true when it comes to our kids. They just don't seem to have the interest in learning how things work in a lot of cases. That's what drove me as a youngster, and still does to some extent today. Dan On Apr 20, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > Rick Knoble writes: > >> When I was a child, (I am in my fifties, same age as Wilton's >> daughter) things were built to be repaired. Of course a domestic >> automobile needed maintenance every few thousand miles and if >> neglected you'd be lucky to make it past 75,000 miles before it went >> to the junk yard. Some cars now days aren't supposed to be serviced in >> the first hundred thousand miles, save for oil changes... > > I think there is a certain romantic view of this, and that most people > would be completely annoyed if they had to go back to adjusting points > every few thousand miles, replacing plugs every 10K miles, tires and > brakes that only last 20K miles, lube required at 20 different grease > nipples on the chassis, etc. As it is I barely seem to find the time to > keep my oil changed, I can't imagine having to keep up with all that > other stuff on my cars. > > But I do agree that people don't seem to be as interested in how things > work anymore... across the board, not just cars. > > -- > 1983 300D > 1979 300SD > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
Rick Knoble writes: > When I was a child, (I am in my fifties, same age as Wilton's > daughter) things were built to be repaired. Of course a domestic > automobile needed maintenance every few thousand miles and if > neglected you'd be lucky to make it past 75,000 miles before it went > to the junk yard. Some cars now days aren't supposed to be serviced in > the first hundred thousand miles, save for oil changes... I think there is a certain romantic view of this, and that most people would be completely annoyed if they had to go back to adjusting points every few thousand miles, replacing plugs every 10K miles, tires and brakes that only last 20K miles, lube required at 20 different grease nipples on the chassis, etc. As it is I barely seem to find the time to keep my oil changed, I can't imagine having to keep up with all that other stuff on my cars. But I do agree that people don't seem to be as interested in how things work anymore... across the board, not just cars. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
Which is why I keep my eyes open for a Chevy with a 6.2l diesel. If I win the mega millions fuel economy won't be my problem ;) -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:47:42 -0700 From: "Jerry Herrman" To: Subject: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > If I had won the mega-millions I'd have given you an absurd amount of money > for your truck since I think old trucks are cool ;) Curt, I agree with you, they are cool and I understand much about how to keep them running. Unfortunately, the gas mileage is so bad, its not affordable. I hope you win the lottery anyway. Jerry 82 240D 72 F250 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
I think that the younger generations think of cars as A-B devices, not cool complicated mechanical marvels working magic to move you at incredible speed. They just don;t have the interest that we do. On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 3:10 AM, Rick Knoble wrote: > On Apr 20, 2012, at 12:47 AM, "Jerry Herrman" wrote > > > For example, I still do not know if this is an "interference" engine. > Several say "yes" and several others with equal convictions say "no". > > Yes. Not unequivocally, but I am almost certain if the timing chain > breaks, major work is to follow. > > > They all seem to agree on one thing - all recommend I open the timing > case. > > If it is for sale, inform the buyer that you had a problem getting the new > pump to work. If you are keeping it, open it up and have a look see. > > > Is this is why many folks buy a new car instead of repairing an older > model? > > Most people in this day and age have no clue how to work on much of > anything. Blame what you will, the disposable society, lack of technical > education in schools, whatever. When I was a child, (I am in my fifties, > same age as Wilton's daughter) things were built to be repaired. Of course > a domestic automobile needed maintenance every few thousand miles and if > neglected you'd be lucky to make it past 75,000 miles before it went to the > junk yard. Some cars now days aren't supposed to be serviced in the first > hundred thousand miles, save for oil changes... > Rick > Sent from my iPhone: > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
If I had a 2 car garage I'd definitely have a play vehicle and '70s-'80s pickup would be my first choice. Electric ignition would be my first modification. Of course if I could find a GM pickup with a 6.2, 4wd with a 5spd... Ahh dreams. Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:22:27 -0400 From: Tim C To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > If I had won the mega-millions I'd have given you an absurd amount of money > for your truck since I think old trucks are cool ;) Bring your checkbook down south; fly to Charleston or Savannah and you can drive one back. They are a dime a dozen here, if you're willing to work on them. Some years ago I bought a running '72 F100 for $350, and after destroying the ignition timing gave it to a friend, who in turn gave it to another friend. Completely valueless except for scrap, even though it was probably just an issue of adjusting the distributor. Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > If I had won the mega-millions I'd have given you an absurd amount of money > for your truck since I think old trucks are cool ;) Bring your checkbook down south; fly to Charleston or Savannah and you can drive one back. They are a dime a dozen here, if you're willing to work on them. Some years ago I bought a running '72 F100 for $350, and after destroying the ignition timing gave it to a friend, who in turn gave it to another friend. Completely valueless except for scrap, even though it was probably just an issue of adjusting the distributor. Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
But very often, not about Mercedes. Randy On 20/04/2012 9:38 AM, Rick Knoble wrote: I quit the MB diesel yahoo group for that reason. Well, more like lack of knowledgeable individuals. I am sure there are more groups, lists, and forums like that. It may have changed since then. This particular email list is and has been a fount of knowledge for many subjects, not just Mercedes. I have been here a decade and_I learn something new and interesting almost every day. _ Rick Sent from my iPhone. I am frustrated in asking questions of obviously knowledgeable individuals who contradict each other. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
I quit the MB diesel yahoo group for that reason. Well, more like lack of knowledgeable individuals. I am sure there are more groups, lists, and forums like that. It may have changed since then. This particular email list is and has been a fount of knowledge for many subjects, not just Mercedes. I have been here a decade and I learn something new and interesting almost every day. Rick Sent from my iPhone. > I am frustrated in asking questions of obviously knowledgeable individuals > who contradict each other. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
If it was easy, anybody could do it ;) My guess is that the eccentric has to be in the "right" place in its rotation when you install the fuel pump to get everybody indexed correctly and working properly. Thats just a guess though I have no real knowledge on the subject. If I had won the mega-millions I'd have given you an absurd amount of money for your truck since I think old trucks are cool ;) -Curt Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:47:06 -0700 From: "Jerry Herrman" To: Subject: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration Message-ID: <34487F6AFDB44466ADB6268AAA343AEF@JerryPC> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" An update for those of you who followed this saga from the beginning. I have scoured the Internet on this subject, which has answered some questions and led to numerous more questions. After I found out that I could turn the eccentric on the front of the camshaft sprocket by using a long wood dowel inserted in the fuel pump hole, I decided that an eccentric that turns when the sprocket is not turning is an eccentric that has a loose bolt, and therefore I must open the timing case. Then, upon learning that there are two kinds of eccentrics, the one-piece and the two-piece (Randy Bennell wrote about this), I decided that there is hope and I examined this again to see if I could determine if this engine has the one-piece or the two-piece. I couldn't tell, and I do not know of a way to differentiate. It is my understanding that in the two-piece, the outer section rotates around the inner section.The oil lubricates it. In the one-piece, the eccentric is fastened to the cam sprocket with a bolt and held statioary with a metal dowel/pin. Clearly, the one-piece should not rotate. If it does, it means that the bolt might be loose and definitely that the the dowel/pin is not in place. With the sprocket not moving, I was able to rotate the eccentric with the wood dowel several full rotations. If this has the two-piece, I wondered, could the ability to rotate be "normal"? As it rotated, it felt smooth, like an outer bearing race, not rough like I would expect from a piece rotating because of a loose bolt and an ineffective dowel/pin. I also noticed that there was some looseness in the eccentric. I decided to find out if the cam sprocket was loose by trying to move it with a screwdriver. It seemed tight. The timing chain seemed kinda loose.Then I inserted the wood dowel again as I rotated the engine with the starter and found that I got a slight in and out movement. Even though days before, I had bolted the new and old fuel pumps on the engine, and neither would pump any gas out of a can, I thought I would try that again. The old pump didn't suck at all this time. I was surprised to find that the new pump did suck gas this time. So I hooked it all up and the engine started and ran fine.So now I am confused. Why on a previous try did the new pump not suck gas out of a can? Did fiddling around with the wood dowel change something? Did my moving the eccentric cause i to catch on the dowel/pin? Is this just a temporary fix that won't last? I cannot draw any conclusions with certainty. I wrote into a Ford Forum and presented this case. I am frustrated in asking questions of obviously knowledgeable individuals who contradict each other. For example, I still do not know if this is an "interference" engine. Several say "yes" and several others with equal convictions say "no". They all seem to agree on one thing - all recommend I open the timing case. Is this is why many folks buy a new car instead of repairing an older model? Jerry 240D 72 Ford F250 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and frustration
On Apr 20, 2012, at 12:47 AM, "Jerry Herrman" wrote > For example, I still do not know if this is an "interference" engine. Several > say "yes" and several others with equal convictions say "no". Yes. Not unequivocally, but I am almost certain if the timing chain breaks, major work is to follow. > They all seem to agree on one thing - all recommend I open the timing case. If it is for sale, inform the buyer that you had a problem getting the new pump to work. If you are keeping it, open it up and have a look see. > Is this is why many folks buy a new car instead of repairing an older model? Most people in this day and age have no clue how to work on much of anything. Blame what you will, the disposable society, lack of technical education in schools, whatever. When I was a child, (I am in my fifties, same age as Wilton's daughter) things were built to be repaired. Of course a domestic automobile needed maintenance every few thousand miles and if neglected you'd be lucky to make it past 75,000 miles before it went to the junk yard. Some cars now days aren't supposed to be serviced in the first hundred thousand miles, save for oil changes... Rick Sent from my iPhone: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
