Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 22:23:24 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  Where the camshaft activates the injectors, like a Detroit diesel. VW
> used them for a little while, I think 2003 or 2004 until the common
> rail engines came out which I think is 2009 or 2010. They're hard on
> timing belts and don't get as good economy but are slightly more
> powerful, respond better to a tune and are more irritating to replace
> injectors on as the injector is under the valve cover. -Curt

Thank you.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Where the camshaft activates the injectors, like a Detroit diesel. VW used 
them for a little while, I think 2003 or 2004 until the common rail engines 
came out which I think is 2009 or 2010.
They're hard on timing belts and don't get as good economy but are slightly 
more powerful, respond better to a tune and are more irritating to replace 
injectors on as the injector is under the valve cover.
-Curt

On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 2:54:15 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 18:52:43 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Angie's '05 Golf has done a paltry 50mpg, the pump deuse engines just
> don't make the economy of the others.

"pump deuse engines" ?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 12:10:54 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I just heard that somebody put some 700+ HP crypsler engine into an IH 
> Scout.    Nuts!

They did indeed. They called it the "Hell Scout". Travelcenters of America
(one of the big truck stop chains) had a contest to give it to someone
recently.

I have the issues of the T/A magazine which featured it, but I don't have
time right now to take pictures of them.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 18:52:43 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Angie's '05 Golf has done a paltry 50mpg, the pump deuse engines just
> don't make the economy of the others.

"pump deuse engines" ?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Perhaps, if you assume the diesel accumulates 1 million miles over 50 years.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 2:09 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Someone posted an article here last year that stated that a current MB
> Diesel had less emissions over it's life than an all electric car, a
> hybrid, or whatever.
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:08 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I suspect a 400,000 mile Mercedes Diesel beats them all handily.   Or
> > even a 250k mile 240D probably would beat them.
> >
> > > Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> > > January 23, 2020 at 11:48 AM
> > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > So where do lithium free high MPG cars fit in?
> > > I would assume that if you could sell it today, a Sprint/Firefly/Metro
> > > with 3cyl/5sp would handily beat a Prius. (hey Randy, if you see a
> > > rust free Firefly, I'd like to make a mid engine 50mpg hot rod out of
> it)
> > >
> > > A Mercedes 250 diesel rivals or beats the Prius in anything but pure
> > > stoplight to stoplight driving, but the price tag is probably an
> > > indication of high energy in manufacture.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Someone posted an article here last year that stated that a current MB
Diesel had less emissions over it's life than an all electric car, a
hybrid, or whatever.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:08 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I suspect a 400,000 mile Mercedes Diesel beats them all handily.   Or
> even a 250k mile 240D probably would beat them.
>
> > Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> > January 23, 2020 at 11:48 AM
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >
> > So where do lithium free high MPG cars fit in?
> > I would assume that if you could sell it today, a Sprint/Firefly/Metro
> > with 3cyl/5sp would handily beat a Prius. (hey Randy, if you see a
> > rust free Firefly, I'd like to make a mid engine 50mpg hot rod out of it)
> >
> > A Mercedes 250 diesel rivals or beats the Prius in anything but pure
> > stoplight to stoplight driving, but the price tag is probably an
> > indication of high energy in manufacture.
> >
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 23/01/2020 11:48 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

A new study finds that hybrids like the Toyota Prius Prime (pictured) 
have

lower cradle-to-grave emissions than electric vehicles Wikimedia
Commons/Mariordo


So where do lithium free high MPG cars fit in?
I would assume that if you could sell it today, a Sprint/Firefly/Metro 
with 3cyl/5sp would handily beat a Prius. (hey Randy, if you see a 
rust free Firefly, I'd like to make a mid engine 50mpg hot rod out of it)


A Mercedes 250 diesel rivals or beats the Prius in anything but pure 
stoplight to stoplight driving, but the price tag is probably an 
indication of high energy in manufacture.


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My mechanic brother-in-law worked at a shop that created an early 
Hyundai Pony into a hot rod with a 455 Olds engine. If I recall 
correctly, they set the engine back and removed the front seats and the 
driver sat on the rear seat. I don't think it had a firewall.


Purely a toy they played with. It was junk.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 For mileage? Unlikely. The best I ever saw from a 240D was 32mpg. Average over 
150,000 miles of driving 240Ds for me was more like 28mpg.
My '98 Jetta maxed at 56mpg, I think I've had the '15 up to 58 or so. In all 
cases thats never going over 65mph, sometimes not going over 55.
Angie's '05 Golf has done a paltry 50mpg, the pump deuse engines just don't 
make the economy of the others.
Any of those VWs will accelerate faster than a 240D, which is understating how 
much faster they are. They'll out handle a 240D and start way better in the 
cold than any 61x engine. The 2015 especially is amazing in the cold.
240D is a lovely car in a lot of respects but not from a fuel economy 
perspective its outclassed by basically any sedan its size or smaller made in 
the last 15 years.
-Curt

On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 1:08:38 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I suspect a 400,000 mile Mercedes Diesel beats them all handily.   Or 
even a 250k mile 240D probably would beat them.

> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> January 23, 2020 at 11:48 AM
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>
> So where do lithium free high MPG cars fit in?
> I would assume that if you could sell it today, a Sprint/Firefly/Metro 
> with 3cyl/5sp would handily beat a Prius. (hey Randy, if you see a 
> rust free Firefly, I'd like to make a mid engine 50mpg hot rod out of it)
>
> A Mercedes 250 diesel rivals or beats the Prius in anything but pure 
> stoplight to stoplight driving, but the price tag is probably an 
> indication of high energy in manufacture.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
My mechanic brother-in-law worked at a shop that created an early 
Hyundai Pony into a hot rod with a 455 Olds engine. If I recall 
correctly, they set the engine back and removed the front seats and the 
driver sat on the rear seat. I don't think it had a firewall.


Purely a toy they played with. It was junk.



In the 1970s-Early 1980s, it was semi common to see a 2 seater Vega Kammback 
with a Toronado 455 drivetrain in place of the back seat. I heard they were 
junk, but went really fast in a straight line.


I found this on BAT, with I assume awful weight distribution, like a SWB pickup 
with a big block engine.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1987-pontiac-firefly/

My dream Firefly is more like a R5 Turbo, but with a modern engine, sub 2000lb 
weight, and 50mpg. GM did wonders with light weight and efficiency when they 
designed the LE2 engine and 6T35 transaxle. I'd basically shove a 2016-2019 
Cruze cradle and drivetrain into the back of the Firefly and put bigger 
brakes/hubs in the front of the car.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-renault-r5-turbo-2-3/

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I just heard that somebody put some 700+ HP crypsler engine into an IH 
Scout.    Nuts!



Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
January 23, 2020 at 12:06 PM


My mechanic brother-in-law worked at a shop that created an early 
Hyundai Pony into a hot rod with a 455 Olds engine. If I recall 
correctly, they set the engine back and removed the front seats and 
the driver sat on the rear seat. I don't think it had a firewall.


Purely a toy they played with. It was junk.

RB



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I suspect a 400,000 mile Mercedes Diesel beats them all handily.   Or 
even a 250k mile 240D probably would beat them.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
January 23, 2020 at 11:48 AM
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:


So where do lithium free high MPG cars fit in?
I would assume that if you could sell it today, a Sprint/Firefly/Metro 
with 3cyl/5sp would handily beat a Prius. (hey Randy, if you see a 
rust free Firefly, I'd like to make a mid engine 50mpg hot rod out of it)


A Mercedes 250 diesel rivals or beats the Prius in anything but pure 
stoplight to stoplight driving, but the price tag is probably an 
indication of high energy in manufacture.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hybrids vs. EVs - emissions comparison

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:


A new study finds that hybrids like the Toyota Prius Prime (pictured) have
lower cradle-to-grave emissions than electric vehicles Wikimedia
Commons/Mariordo


So where do lithium free high MPG cars fit in?
I would assume that if you could sell it today, a Sprint/Firefly/Metro with 
3cyl/5sp would handily beat a Prius. (hey Randy, if you see a rust free Firefly, 
I'd like to make a mid engine 50mpg hot rod out of it)


A Mercedes 250 diesel rivals or beats the Prius in anything but pure stoplight 
to stoplight driving, but the price tag is probably an indication of high energy 
in manufacture.


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