Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Reading between the lines that doesn’t sound too convincing 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 7:38 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 18:15:03 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Heck this was even a news story on the local news, interviewing dealers
>> in the area. It’s a big deal for sure but these dealers can do a car
>> deal the old fashioned way. Problem is many of the sales people and
>> managers now days have no idea how to do it with all the software they
>> are used to using.
> 
> I just got an email from my local Kenworth dealer:
> 
>Notice Regarding CDK Cybersecurity Incident
> 
>To all Inland customers,
> 
>We would like to inform you of a temporary disruption in our
>services due to a cybersecurity incident affecting our primary
>business system—CDK. This incident has impacted CDK’s dealer
>customers, both car and truck, across North America.
> 
>We remain fully operational and have implemented our business
>continuity response plans for incidents like this. These plans
>ensure your needs are met, but it may take a little extra time to
>complete each transaction.
> 
>There is currently no ETA for a resolution, but we want to assure
>you that the continuity of our service remains our top priority.
> 
>We thank you for your understanding and patience, and we will
>keep you informed of updates as they become available.
> 
>Sincerely,
> 
>The Inland Team
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Probably because of the attractive color combination and the visible dings.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 4:24 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Again, good thing it’s 5.5 hours away.
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:12 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > That is a STEAL if the condition and mileage check out. Even with the
> wear and tear on the car it’s still a really nice example for the model
> year and miles. I’m wondering why it’s been up for 13 days.
> >
> > Of all the MBs I’ve owned over the years, the 300SD is pretty much the
> pinnacle of cars, especially diesels, that I’ve owned.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Jun 20, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> https://sandiego.craigslist.org/ssd/cto/d/chula-vista-mercedes-benz-300-sd/7754907531.html
> >>
> >> Not crazy.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 18:15:03 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Heck this was even a news story on the local news, interviewing dealers
> in the area. It’s a big deal for sure but these dealers can do a car
> deal the old fashioned way. Problem is many of the sales people and
> managers now days have no idea how to do it with all the software they
> are used to using. 

I just got an email from my local Kenworth dealer:

Notice Regarding CDK Cybersecurity Incident

To all Inland customers,

We would like to inform you of a temporary disruption in our
services due to a cybersecurity incident affecting our primary
business system—CDK. This incident has impacted CDK’s dealer
customers, both car and truck, across North America.

We remain fully operational and have implemented our business
continuity response plans for incidents like this. These plans
ensure your needs are met, but it may take a little extra time to
complete each transaction.

There is currently no ETA for a resolution, but we want to assure
you that the continuity of our service remains our top priority.

We thank you for your understanding and patience, and we will
keep you informed of updates as they become available.

Sincerely,

The Inland Team


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Heck this was even a news story on the local news, interviewing dealers in the 
area. It’s a big deal for sure but these dealers can do a car deal the old 
fashioned way. Problem is many of the sales people and managers now days have 
no idea how to do it with all the software they are used to using. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 5:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> Or for sure.  Looking back in the past it’s how crazy how non secured data 
> used to be in auto industry with every vendor under the sun having full 
> access to dealers data with no security protocols at all.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wasn’t suggesting you say anything negative, just that if you’re going to 
>> try and flip someone based on their existing supplier’s weaknesses, you 
>> better have something better to offer.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well in this business I would never bad mouth a competitor because the same 
>>> thing could happen to us. We have had our fair share of issues with system 
>>> outages lasting entire days, or outages lasting anywhere from a few minutes 
>>> to a few hours back to back days. Bit fun at all when dealers are trying to 
>>> work leads or desk a deal.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jun 20, 2024, at 4:46 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Exactly. But - you better have a good case to make for yourselves as far 
 as cyber security goes if you’re going to use this as an opportunity to 
 recruit new customers. “We’re more secure because…"
 
 -D
 
> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We just got off a call with the entire Vehicle Solutions division about 
> this. CDK is a major competitor to us and basically we feel bad for the 
> customers, and we should not bad mouth them but it can be an opportunity 
> to tactically sell.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah that article said it was a ransomware attack that could likely 
>> spread to other connected devices as well -- computers, phones, etc. 
>> that are used to access the system.  And it said some devices were back 
>> up and running but I doubt if that does much good if the main database 
>> has been corrupted (backups too).
>> 
>> One hot mess fo sho
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 6/20/24 3:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I’m guessing ransomware and someone got their clock cleaned. The “tell” 
>>> here in my opinion is that they shut down their hot sites (data 
>>> centers) and went completely offline. That and having the open VPN is 
>>> troubling, but not difficult to secure fairly well. It’s really more of 
>>> a threat for the customers, who might not have as thorough 
>>> cybersecurity controls in place. If I was one of their customers I 
>>> would be bringing someone in to assess my security posture NOW.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Jun 20, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Kaleb Striplin via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
 
 Ford also does this.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
> Now consider that Tesla can push software updates to your car 
> without your knowledge or approval. Probably other automakers also 
> have or are working on this capability. So when their internal 
> network gets compromised, potentially everybody's car can then be 
> bricked.
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 14:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> CDK global is completely down which includes DMS (accounting, parts,
>> service, sales), eleads CRM etc. it’s really bad.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via 
 Mercedes  wrote:
>>> I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but 
>>> didn’t so I called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their 
>>> parts computer is down apparently due to some kind of targeted hack 
>>> on the company that provides the servers or something. Appears 
>>> maybe yo just be this stealer as yesterday he was able to tell me 
>>> they had a bunch in JAX.
>>> 
>>> So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent 
>>> over. Part isn’t very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed 
>>> too bad but can’t get one anyway so…
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Or for sure.  Looking back in the past it’s how crazy how non secured data used 
to be in auto industry with every vendor under the sun having full access to 
dealers data with no security protocols at all. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wasn’t suggesting you say anything negative, just that if you’re going to 
> try and flip someone based on their existing supplier’s weaknesses, you 
> better have something better to offer.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well in this business I would never bad mouth a competitor because the same 
>> thing could happen to us. We have had our fair share of issues with system 
>> outages lasting entire days, or outages lasting anywhere from a few minutes 
>> to a few hours back to back days. Bit fun at all when dealers are trying to 
>> work leads or desk a deal.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 20, 2024, at 4:46 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Exactly. But - you better have a good case to make for yourselves as far 
>>> as cyber security goes if you’re going to use this as an opportunity to 
>>> recruit new customers. “We’re more secure because…"
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 We just got off a call with the entire Vehicle Solutions division about 
 this. CDK is a major competitor to us and basically we feel bad for the 
 customers, and we should not bad mouth them but it can be an opportunity 
 to tactically sell.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah that article said it was a ransomware attack that could likely 
> spread to other connected devices as well -- computers, phones, etc. that 
> are used to access the system.  And it said some devices were back up and 
> running but I doubt if that does much good if the main database has been 
> corrupted (backups too).
> 
> One hot mess fo sho
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 6/20/24 3:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m guessing ransomware and someone got their clock cleaned. The “tell” 
>> here in my opinion is that they shut down their hot sites (data centers) 
>> and went completely offline. That and having the open VPN is troubling, 
>> but not difficult to secure fairly well. It’s really more of a threat 
>> for the customers, who might not have as thorough cybersecurity controls 
>> in place. If I was one of their customers I would be bringing someone in 
>> to assess my security posture NOW.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jun 20, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Kaleb Striplin via 
 Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ford also does this.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
 
 Now consider that Tesla can push software updates to your car without 
 your knowledge or approval. Probably other automakers also have or are 
 working on this capability. So when their internal network gets 
 compromised, potentially everybody's car can then be bricked.
 
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 14:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> CDK global is completely down which includes DMS (accounting, parts,
> service, sales), eleads CRM etc. it’s really bad.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via 
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but 
>> didn’t so I called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their 
>> parts computer is down apparently due to some kind of targeted hack 
>> on the company that provides the servers or something. Appears maybe 
>> yo just be this stealer as yesterday he was able to tell me they had 
>> a bunch in JAX.
>> 
>> So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent over. 
>> Part isn’t very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed too bad 
>> but can’t get one anyway so…
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
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Re: [MBZ] He Has the Passport for this Car

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

When we moved here in February of 1982, we were a single car family: a 1977 
Malibu. I started working instantly (2300hrs to 0700hrs shift at a Circle K). 
As I searched for a better gig, Mrs. Bob nailed down a job as a hostess at a 
Bob’s Big Boy. Suddenly, we needed two vehicles. I bought a ‘68 Beetle 
(Blanche…the only car I ever named) that needed a fender replaced. $175 and I 
had a fender in my shed. Started driving Blanche ilate at night then early in 
the morning so it wasn’t too bad.
After being robbed almost every other at the Circle K, I began working at the 
City of Phoenix Wastewater Treatment Plant. I was able to drive on dirt roads 
among the irrigated fields to and from the plant so Blanche didn’t mind that 
she was air cooled. I very seldom drove her in town in the summer. 
Blanche served me well until a stop sign runner clipped me, spun out, and 
landed shiny side down in a flowing irrigation canal. Dude got out, wife was 
stuck in the car. I helped him get her ginormous carcass out of the submerged 
car, they stood there and stared at me, then ran (or waddled) off. I 
pulled/beat the left front fender back into a shape that I could limp home and 
I did. 
I parted was with Blanche, for $275, and got my ‘62 Falcon. I was pimpin’ 

AZBob

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> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I keep seeing a guy drive by my house every day in a classic orange Beetle 
> convertible, likely a 1969 or 1968 from the looks of it. Beautiful car, makes 
> that lovely “ping-ping-ping” sound when it’s timed just right.
> 
> Someone down the street had a Beetle for sale recently. It was a little beat, 
> but appeared solid. Can’t imagine driving one in the winters around here, 
> other than for the traction. Certainly not for the heat…
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Quite a fetching combination...
>> 
>> I don't consider the ask too bad considering its 51 years old. Price a 1973 
>> VW Beetle or, more excitingly a 1973 VW Thing.
>> 
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 01:14:51 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/d/las-vegas-1973-mercedes-benz-220/7758564720.html
>> 
>> I'd look at this if I was in Vegas. I don't recall ever seeing a black one. 
>> This black surely isn't 040 is it?
>> 
>> The ask is mind numbing but these are becoming scarce, so I had best get 
>> used to it.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I wasn’t suggesting you say anything negative, just that if you’re going to try 
and flip someone based on their existing supplier’s weaknesses, you better have 
something better to offer.

-D

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well in this business I would never bad mouth a competitor because the same 
> thing could happen to us. We have had our fair share of issues with system 
> outages lasting entire days, or outages lasting anywhere from a few minutes 
> to a few hours back to back days. Bit fun at all when dealers are trying to 
> work leads or desk a deal. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 4:46 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Exactly. But - you better have a good case to make for yourselves as far as 
>> cyber security goes if you’re going to use this as an opportunity to recruit 
>> new customers. “We’re more secure because…"
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We just got off a call with the entire Vehicle Solutions division about 
>>> this. CDK is a major competitor to us and basically we feel bad for the 
>>> customers, and we should not bad mouth them but it can be an opportunity to 
>>> tactically sell.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Yeah that article said it was a ransomware attack that could likely 
 spread to other connected devices as well -- computers, phones, etc. that 
 are used to access the system.  And it said some devices were back up and 
 running but I doubt if that does much good if the main database has been 
 corrupted (backups too).
 
 One hot mess fo sho
 
 --FT
 
> On 6/20/24 3:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> I’m guessing ransomware and someone got their clock cleaned. The “tell” 
> here in my opinion is that they shut down their hot sites (data centers) 
> and went completely offline. That and having the open VPN is troubling, 
> but not difficult to secure fairly well. It’s really more of a threat for 
> the customers, who might not have as thorough cybersecurity controls in 
> place. If I was one of their customers I would be bringing someone in to 
> assess my security posture NOW.
> 
> -D
> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Kaleb Striplin via 
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Ford also does this.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Now consider that Tesla can push software updates to your car without 
>>> your knowledge or approval. Probably other automakers also have or are 
>>> working on this capability. So when their internal network gets 
>>> compromised, potentially everybody's car can then be bricked.
>>> 
 On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 14:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 CDK global is completely down which includes DMS (accounting, parts,
 service, sales), eleads CRM etc. it’s really bad.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via 
>> Mercedes  wrote:
> I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but 
> didn’t so I called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their 
> parts computer is down apparently due to some kind of targeted hack 
> on the company that provides the servers or something. Appears maybe 
> yo just be this stealer as yesterday he was able to tell me they had 
> a bunch in JAX.
> 
> So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent over. 
> Part isn’t very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed too bad 
> but can’t get one anyway so…
> 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Well in this business I would never bad mouth a competitor because the same 
thing could happen to us. We have had our fair share of issues with system 
outages lasting entire days, or outages lasting anywhere from a few minutes to 
a few hours back to back days. Bit fun at all when dealers are trying to work 
leads or desk a deal. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 4:46 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Exactly. But - you better have a good case to make for yourselves as far as 
> cyber security goes if you’re going to use this as an opportunity to recruit 
> new customers. “We’re more secure because…"
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We just got off a call with the entire Vehicle Solutions division about 
>> this. CDK is a major competitor to us and basically we feel bad for the 
>> customers, and we should not bad mouth them but it can be an opportunity to 
>> tactically sell.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah that article said it was a ransomware attack that could likely spread 
>>> to other connected devices as well -- computers, phones, etc. that are used 
>>> to access the system.  And it said some devices were back up and running 
>>> but I doubt if that does much good if the main database has been corrupted 
>>> (backups too).
>>> 
>>> One hot mess fo sho
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 6/20/24 3:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 I’m guessing ransomware and someone got their clock cleaned. The “tell” 
 here in my opinion is that they shut down their hot sites (data centers) 
 and went completely offline. That and having the open VPN is troubling, 
 but not difficult to secure fairly well. It’s really more of a threat for 
 the customers, who might not have as thorough cybersecurity controls in 
 place. If I was one of their customers I would be bringing someone in to 
 assess my security posture NOW.
 
 -D
 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Kaleb Striplin via 
>> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Ford also does this.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>> 
>> Now consider that Tesla can push software updates to your car without 
>> your knowledge or approval. Probably other automakers also have or are 
>> working on this capability. So when their internal network gets 
>> compromised, potentially everybody's car can then be bricked.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 14:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> CDK global is completely down which includes DMS (accounting, parts,
>>> service, sales), eleads CRM etc. it’s really bad.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
 I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but 
 didn’t so I called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their 
 parts computer is down apparently due to some kind of targeted hack on 
 the company that provides the servers or something. Appears maybe yo 
 just be this stealer as yesterday he was able to tell me they had a 
 bunch in JAX.
 
 So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent over. 
 Part isn’t very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed too bad but 
 can’t get one anyway so…
 
 --FT
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

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Exactly. But - you better have a good case to make for yourselves as far as 
cyber security goes if you’re going to use this as an opportunity to recruit 
new customers. “We’re more secure because…"

-D

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We just got off a call with the entire Vehicle Solutions division about this. 
> CDK is a major competitor to us and basically we feel bad for the customers, 
> and we should not bad mouth them but it can be an opportunity to tactically 
> sell. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah that article said it was a ransomware attack that could likely spread 
>> to other connected devices as well -- computers, phones, etc. that are used 
>> to access the system.  And it said some devices were back up and running but 
>> I doubt if that does much good if the main database has been corrupted 
>> (backups too).
>> 
>> One hot mess fo sho
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 6/20/24 3:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I’m guessing ransomware and someone got their clock cleaned. The “tell” 
>>> here in my opinion is that they shut down their hot sites (data centers) 
>>> and went completely offline. That and having the open VPN is troubling, but 
>>> not difficult to secure fairly well. It’s really more of a threat for the 
>>> customers, who might not have as thorough cybersecurity controls in place. 
>>> If I was one of their customers I would be bringing someone in to assess my 
>>> security posture NOW.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Jun 20, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Kaleb Striplin via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
 
 Ford also does this.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
> Now consider that Tesla can push software updates to your car without 
> your knowledge or approval. Probably other automakers also have or are 
> working on this capability. So when their internal network gets 
> compromised, potentially everybody's car can then be bricked.
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 14:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> CDK global is completely down which includes DMS (accounting, parts,
>> service, sales), eleads CRM etc. it’s really bad.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via 
 Mercedes  wrote:
>>> I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but 
>>> didn’t so I called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their 
>>> parts computer is down apparently due to some kind of targeted hack on 
>>> the company that provides the servers or something. Appears maybe yo 
>>> just be this stealer as yesterday he was able to tell me they had a 
>>> bunch in JAX.
>>> 
>>> So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent over. 
>>> Part isn’t very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed too bad but 
>>> can’t get one anyway so…
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] He Has the Passport for this Car

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Requirement in my family that your first car had to be a Beetle. Unfortunately 
(?) for me, there weren’t any decent ones around when the time came and my Dad 
got a nice deal on a 1970 2-door Maverick that was a total stripper. “Three on 
the tree,” heater and AM radio, which of course I dealt with immediately with 
my removable slide mount Radio Shack under dash cassette player, an amp and 
some surface mount speakers for the parcel shelf. I totaled it about 6 months 
later and got a Beetle convertible.

-D

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:36 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
> My first car was a Beetle. Bought it at age 16, probably overpaid but I loved 
> them at the time. I really liked the simplicity of it, but yeah, heat was 
> very minimal. Enough to keep the frost off the windshield if everything was 
> working perfectly, otherwise you kept a scraper handy.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 17:08, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I keep seeing a guy drive by my house every day in a classic orange 
>> Beetle convertible, likely a 1969 or 1968 from the looks of it. 
>> Beautiful car, makes that lovely “ping-ping-ping” sound when it’s timed 
>> just right.
>> 
>> Someone down the street had a Beetle for sale recently. It was a little 
>> beat, but appeared solid. Can’t imagine driving one in the winters 
>> around here, other than for the traction. Certainly not for the heat…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Quite a fetching combination...
>>> 
>>> I don't consider the ask too bad considering its 51 years old. Price a 1973 
>>> VW Beetle or, more excitingly a 1973 VW Thing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 01:14:51 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/d/las-vegas-1973-mercedes-benz-220/7758564720.html
>>> 
>>> I'd look at this if I was in Vegas. I don't recall ever seeing a black one. 
>>> This black surely isn't 040 is it?
>>> 
>>> The ask is mind numbing but these are becoming scarce, so I had best get 
>>> used to it.
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

We just got off a call with the entire Vehicle Solutions division about this. 
CDK is a major competitor to us and basically we feel bad for the customers, 
and we should not bad mouth them but it can be an opportunity to tactically 
sell. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah that article said it was a ransomware attack that could likely spread 
> to other connected devices as well -- computers, phones, etc. that are used 
> to access the system.  And it said some devices were back up and running but 
> I doubt if that does much good if the main database has been corrupted 
> (backups too).
> 
> One hot mess fo sho
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 6/20/24 3:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m guessing ransomware and someone got their clock cleaned. The “tell” here 
>> in my opinion is that they shut down their hot sites (data centers) and went 
>> completely offline. That and having the open VPN is troubling, but not 
>> difficult to secure fairly well. It’s really more of a threat for the 
>> customers, who might not have as thorough cybersecurity controls in place. 
>> If I was one of their customers I would be bringing someone in to assess my 
>> security posture NOW.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jun 20, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Kaleb Striplin via 
 Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ford also does this.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
 
 Now consider that Tesla can push software updates to your car without 
 your knowledge or approval. Probably other automakers also have or are 
 working on this capability. So when their internal network gets 
 compromised, potentially everybody's car can then be bricked.
 
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 14:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> CDK global is completely down which includes DMS (accounting, parts,
> service, sales), eleads CRM etc. it’s really bad.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via 
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but 
>> didn’t so I called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their parts 
>> computer is down apparently due to some kind of targeted hack on the 
>> company that provides the servers or something. Appears maybe yo just be 
>> this stealer as yesterday he was able to tell me they had a bunch in JAX.
>> 
>> So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent over. 
>> Part isn’t very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed too bad but 
>> can’t get one anyway so…
>> 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] He Has the Passport for this Car

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My first car was a Beetle. Bought it at age 16, probably overpaid but I loved 
them at the time. I really liked the simplicity of it, but yeah, heat was very 
minimal. Enough to keep the frost off the windshield if everything was working 
perfectly, otherwise you kept a scraper handy.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 17:08, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> I keep seeing a guy drive by my house every day in a classic orange 
> Beetle convertible, likely a 1969 or 1968 from the looks of it. 
> Beautiful car, makes that lovely “ping-ping-ping” sound when it’s timed 
> just right.
>
> Someone down the street had a Beetle for sale recently. It was a little 
> beat, but appeared solid. Can’t imagine driving one in the winters 
> around here, other than for the traction. Certainly not for the heat…
>
> -D
>
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Quite a fetching combination...
>> 
>> I don't consider the ask too bad considering its 51 years old. Price a 1973 
>> VW Beetle or, more excitingly a 1973 VW Thing.
>> 
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 01:14:51 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/d/las-vegas-1973-mercedes-benz-220/7758564720.html
>> 
>> I'd look at this if I was in Vegas. I don't recall ever seeing a black one. 
>> This black surely isn't 040 is it?
>> 
>> The ask is mind numbing but these are becoming scarce, so I had best get 
>> used to it.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] He Has the Passport for this Car

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I keep seeing a guy drive by my house every day in a classic orange Beetle 
convertible, likely a 1969 or 1968 from the looks of it. Beautiful car, makes 
that lovely “ping-ping-ping” sound when it’s timed just right.

Someone down the street had a Beetle for sale recently. It was a little beat, 
but appeared solid. Can’t imagine driving one in the winters around here, other 
than for the traction. Certainly not for the heat…

-D

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Quite a fetching combination...
> 
> I don't consider the ask too bad considering its 51 years old. Price a 1973 
> VW Beetle or, more excitingly a 1973 VW Thing.
> 
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 01:14:51 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/d/las-vegas-1973-mercedes-benz-220/7758564720.html
> 
> I'd look at this if I was in Vegas. I don't recall ever seeing a black one. 
> This black surely isn't 040 is it?
> 
> The ask is mind numbing but these are becoming scarce, so I had best get used 
> to it.
> 
> AZBob
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Was driven into storage bldg where it sat for several years 1981 Mercedes-Benz 380sl, $3, 600

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You don’t know how many little hoses there are in that fuel injection system, 
do you? Every one of them likely needs replacement. And of course, you have all 
the special tools to measure duty cycle, etc., etc.?

Avoid. As if your hair was on fire.

-D

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:36 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This looks pretty nice for the price and I bet he is willing to deal with a 
> Benz Afficianado if Mama is telling him to clear it out. Might not take a lot 
> to get it purring?
> 
> All new Gas tank, fuel pump, vacuum switches, cold start switch, etc. spark 
> plugs and wires, Distributor cap, runs but not well. Fuel injector system 
> needs TLC.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1249441929366868/
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD

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Again, good thing it’s 5.5 hours away. 

AZBob

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> On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:12 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is a STEAL if the condition and mileage check out. Even with the wear 
> and tear on the car it’s still a really nice example for the model year and 
> miles. I’m wondering why it’s been up for 13 days.
> 
> Of all the MBs I’ve owned over the years, the 300SD is pretty much the 
> pinnacle of cars, especially diesels, that I’ve owned.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://sandiego.craigslist.org/ssd/cto/d/chula-vista-mercedes-benz-300-sd/7754907531.html
>> 
>> Not crazy.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] He Has the Passport for this Car

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Quite a fetching combination...

I don't consider the ask too bad considering its 51 years old. Price a 1973 VW 
Beetle or, more excitingly a 1973 VW Thing.


-Curt

On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 01:14:51 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/d/las-vegas-1973-mercedes-benz-220/7758564720.html

I'd look at this if I was in Vegas. I don't recall ever seeing a black one. 
This black surely isn't 040 is it?

The ask is mind numbing but these are becoming scarce, so I had best get used 
to it.

AZBob


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Re: [MBZ] engine light is on due to the worn gas cap. 2009 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 550 Sedan 4D, $6, 000

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Oops mean to reply to the message about the guy who tried to jump-start the car 
through the cigarette lighter.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 15:29, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> all of the air attics work
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 15:09, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> So, like $10 at the auto parts store?  And they can clear the code for 
>> you too.  208kmi, that's a lot
>>
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah that article said it was a ransomware attack that could likely 
spread to other connected devices as well -- computers, phones, etc. 
that are used to access the system.  And it said some devices were back 
up and running but I doubt if that does much good if the main database 
has been corrupted (backups too).


One hot mess fo sho

--FT

On 6/20/24 3:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

I’m guessing ransomware and someone got their clock cleaned. The “tell” here in 
my opinion is that they shut down their hot sites (data centers) and went 
completely offline. That and having the open VPN is troubling, but not 
difficult to secure fairly well. It’s really more of a threat for the 
customers, who might not have as thorough cybersecurity controls in place. If I 
was one of their customers I would be bringing someone in to assess my security 
posture NOW.

-D


On Jun 20, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedes  wrote:

Ford also does this.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

Now consider that Tesla can push software updates to your car without your 
knowledge or approval. Probably other automakers also have or are working on 
this capability. So when their internal network gets compromised, potentially 
everybody's car can then be bricked.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 14:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
CDK global is completely down which includes DMS (accounting, parts,
service, sales), eleads CRM etc. it’s really bad.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes  wrote:

I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but didn’t so I 
called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their parts computer is down 
apparently due to some kind of targeted hack on the company that provides the 
servers or something. Appears maybe yo just be this stealer as yesterday he was 
able to tell me they had a bunch in JAX.

So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent over. Part isn’t 
very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed too bad but can’t get one 
anyway so…

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] engine light is on due to the worn gas cap. 2009 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 550 Sedan 4D, $6, 000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

all of the air attics work

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 15:09, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> So, like $10 at the auto parts store?  And they can clear the code for 
> you too.  208kmi, that's a lot
>
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

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I’m guessing ransomware and someone got their clock cleaned. The “tell” here in 
my opinion is that they shut down their hot sites (data centers) and went 
completely offline. That and having the open VPN is troubling, but not 
difficult to secure fairly well. It’s really more of a threat for the 
customers, who might not have as thorough cybersecurity controls in place. If I 
was one of their customers I would be bringing someone in to assess my security 
posture NOW.

-D

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ford also does this. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>> 
>> Now consider that Tesla can push software updates to your car without your 
>> knowledge or approval. Probably other automakers also have or are working on 
>> this capability. So when their internal network gets compromised, 
>> potentially everybody's car can then be bricked.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 14:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> CDK global is completely down which includes DMS (accounting, parts,
>>> service, sales), eleads CRM etc. it’s really bad.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but didn’t 
 so I called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their parts computer 
 is down apparently due to some kind of targeted hack on the company that 
 provides the servers or something. Appears maybe yo just be this stealer 
 as yesterday he was able to tell me they had a bunch in JAX.
 
 So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent over. Part 
 isn’t very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed too bad but can’t 
 get one anyway so…
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That is a STEAL if the condition and mileage check out. Even with the wear and 
tear on the car it’s still a really nice example for the model year and miles. 
I’m wondering why it’s been up for 13 days.

Of all the MBs I’ve owned over the years, the 300SD is pretty much the pinnacle 
of cars, especially diesels, that I’ve owned.

-D

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://sandiego.craigslist.org/ssd/cto/d/chula-vista-mercedes-benz-300-sd/7754907531.html
> 
> Not crazy.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

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Ford also does this. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
> Now consider that Tesla can push software updates to your car without your 
> knowledge or approval. Probably other automakers also have or are working on 
> this capability. So when their internal network gets compromised, potentially 
> everybody's car can then be bricked.
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 14:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> CDK global is completely down which includes DMS (accounting, parts,
>> service, sales), eleads CRM etc. it’s really bad.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but didn’t 
>>> so I called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their parts computer 
>>> is down apparently due to some kind of targeted hack on the company that 
>>> provides the servers or something. Appears maybe yo just be this stealer as 
>>> yesterday he was able to tell me they had a bunch in JAX.
>>> 
>>> So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent over. Part 
>>> isn’t very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed too bad but can’t get 
>>> one anyway so…
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

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Wow. Someone must’ve gotten a really bad deal and got verry very upset. 

Yeah it was CDK the guy mentioned. I guess it takes awhile to restore backups 
unless they’ve been corrupted too. I wonder what the ransom # is. 

--FT
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> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:02 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Whole system is down. Was just at my local Maybach, uh, I mean MB dealer and 
> they said the whole system is down cross-country.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 10:11 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but didn’t 
>> so I called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their parts computer 
>> is down apparently due to some kind of targeted hack on the company that 
>> provides the servers or something. Appears maybe yo just be this stealer as 
>> yesterday he was able to tell me they had a bunch in JAX.
>> 
>> So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent over. Part 
>> isn’t very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed too bad but can’t get 
>> one anyway so…
>> 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

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https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/cdk-global-cyberattack-impacts-thousands-of-us-car-dealerships/

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 14:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> CDK global is completely down which includes DMS (accounting, parts, 
> service, sales), eleads CRM etc. it’s really bad. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

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Now consider that Tesla can push software updates to your car without your 
knowledge or approval. Probably other automakers also have or are working on 
this capability. So when their internal network gets compromised, potentially 
everybody's car can then be bricked.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 14:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> CDK global is completely down which includes DMS (accounting, parts, 
> service, sales), eleads CRM etc. it’s really bad. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but didn’t 
>> so I called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their parts computer 
>> is down apparently due to some kind of targeted hack on the company that 
>> provides the servers or something. Appears maybe yo just be this stealer as 
>> yesterday he was able to tell me they had a bunch in JAX.
>> 
>> So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent over. Part 
>> isn’t very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed too bad but can’t get 
>> one anyway so…
>> 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

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CDK global is completely down which includes DMS (accounting, parts, service, 
sales), eleads CRM etc. it’s really bad. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but didn’t so 
> I called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their parts computer is 
> down apparently due to some kind of targeted hack on the company that 
> provides the servers or something. Appears maybe yo just be this stealer as 
> yesterday he was able to tell me they had a bunch in JAX.
> 
> So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent over. Part 
> isn’t very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed too bad but can’t get 
> one anyway so…
> 
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

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Get ready for a "we take security very seriously" email, and an offer for free 
credit monitoring.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 14:01, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Whole system is down. Was just at my local Maybach, uh, I mean MB 
> dealer and they said the whole system is down cross-country.
>
> -D
>
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 10:11 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but didn’t 
>> so I called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their parts computer 
>> is down apparently due to some kind of targeted hack on the company that 
>> provides the servers or something. Appears maybe yo just be this stealer as 
>> yesterday he was able to tell me they had a bunch in JAX.
>> 
>> So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent over. Part 
>> isn’t very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed too bad but can’t get 
>> one anyway so…
>> 
>> --FT

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Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Not bad for the miles if true.

"Tach needle is not working"

Very typical. They work when they want to.

Color scheme is pretty unexciting.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 13:30, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> https://sandiego.craigslist.org/ssd/cto/d/chula-vista-mercedes-benz-300-sd/7754907531.html
>
> Not crazy.
>
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Re: [MBZ] He Has the Passport for this Car

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W114/115 had factory air.

-D

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 10:58 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
> If it had AC would it be a dealer add-on under-dash unit? I don't see that 
> but the photos don't really give a clear view. Or were they integrating AC by 
> 1973?
> 
> I normally like black cars but I don't care for the black with the blood red 
> interior. Looks like Count Dracula's coffin.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 13:18, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> That’s sweet. Needs pics of the engine compartment and trunk with the
>> rubber mat lifted up to check for corrosion. I don’t know these that
>> well, but comparing to something like a finnie in comparable condition,
>> I don’t think his ask is too outrageous. I think $7500 would be a solid
>> price, but if that’s original miles, certainly more. I wonder if it has
>> AC?
>> 
>> Does your “No black cars” mandate apply here?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jun 20, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/d/las-vegas-1973-mercedes-benz-220/7758564720.html
>>> 
>>> I'd look at this if I was in Vegas. I don't recall ever seeing a black one. 
>>> This black surely isn't 040 is it?
>>> 
>>> The ask is mind numbing but these are becoming scarce, so I had best get 
>>> used to it.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

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Whole system is down. Was just at my local Maybach, uh, I mean MB dealer and 
they said the whole system is down cross-country.

-D

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 10:11 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but didn’t so 
> I called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their parts computer is 
> down apparently due to some kind of targeted hack on the company that 
> provides the servers or something. Appears maybe yo just be this stealer as 
> yesterday he was able to tell me they had a bunch in JAX.
> 
> So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent over. Part 
> isn’t very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed too bad but can’t get 
> one anyway so…
> 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] He Has the Passport for this Car

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If it had AC would it be a dealer add-on under-dash unit? I don't see that but 
the photos don't really give a clear view. Or were they integrating AC by 1973?

I normally like black cars but I don't care for the black with the blood red 
interior. Looks like Count Dracula's coffin.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 13:18, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> That’s sweet. Needs pics of the engine compartment and trunk with the 
> rubber mat lifted up to check for corrosion. I don’t know these that 
> well, but comparing to something like a finnie in comparable condition, 
> I don’t think his ask is too outrageous. I think $7500 would be a solid 
> price, but if that’s original miles, certainly more. I wonder if it has 
> AC?
>
> Does your “No black cars” mandate apply here?
>
> -D
>
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/d/las-vegas-1973-mercedes-benz-220/7758564720.html
>> 
>> I'd look at this if I was in Vegas. I don't recall ever seeing a black one. 
>> This black surely isn't 040 is it?
>> 
>> The ask is mind numbing but these are becoming scarce, so I had best get 
>> used to it.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Black Cars are Speaking to Me Today

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

100%

AZBob

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Black Cars are Speaking to Me Today

Very nice, not an unrealistic ask based on my experience.

Fate is teasing you with black cars.

-D

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 10:18 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/d/signal-hill-1984-mercedes-300d/7758633824.html
>
> What a beauty.
>
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Re: [MBZ] He Has the Passport for this Car

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I'd be willing to invoke a special dispensation on the no black car rule on 
this since it would not be a daily driver.
It's probably a good thing it is up in Lost Wages.

AZBob

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] He Has the Passport for this Car

That’s sweet. Needs pics of the engine compartment and trunk with the rubber 
mat lifted up to check for corrosion. I don’t know these that well, but 
comparing to something like a finnie in comparable condition, I don’t think his 
ask is too outrageous. I think $7500 would be a solid price, but if that’s 
original miles, certainly more. I wonder if it has AC?

Does your “No black cars” mandate apply here?

-D

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
> https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/d/las-vegas-1973-mercedes-benz-220/7758564720.html
>
> I'd look at this if I was in Vegas. I don't recall ever seeing a black one. 
> This black surely isn't 040 is it?
>
> The ask is mind numbing but these are becoming scarce, so I had best get used 
> to it.
>
> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Black Cars are Speaking to Me Today

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Very nice, not an unrealistic ask based on my experience.

Fate is teasing you with black cars.

-D

> On Jun 20, 2024, at 10:18 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/d/signal-hill-1984-mercedes-300d/7758633824.html
> 
> What a beauty.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] He Has the Passport for this Car

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Looks nice
--FT
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> On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:14 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/d/las-vegas-1973-mercedes-benz-220/7758564720.html
> 
> I'd look at this if I was in Vegas. I don't recall ever seeing a black one. 
> This black surely isn't 040 is it?
> 
> The ask is mind numbing but these are becoming scarce, so I had best get used 
> to it.
> 
> AZBob
> 
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Re: [MBZ] He Has the Passport for this Car

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That’s sweet. Needs pics of the engine compartment and trunk with the rubber 
mat lifted up to check for corrosion. I don’t know these that well, but 
comparing to something like a finnie in comparable condition, I don’t think his 
ask is too outrageous. I think $7500 would be a solid price, but if that’s 
original miles, certainly more. I wonder if it has AC?

Does your “No black cars” mandate apply here?

-D

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> 
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> 
> I'd look at this if I was in Vegas. I don't recall ever seeing a black one. 
> This black surely isn't 040 is it?
> 
> The ask is mind numbing but these are becoming scarce, so I had best get used 
> to it.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Sprinter 2500 van - $5,900

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Mech can get a title with proof of lien or maybe the customer signed it over

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> Sounds like a mechanic's lien sale to get a repair bill paid. Wonder how 
> that complicates getting a title?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Nice looking W126 300SD

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Does your '85 300SD still have the OM617?

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 10:51, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> My bad.  This car is "orient red".  Cabernet red is more like maroon, with
> a hint of brown...
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 10:41 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
>
>> Try finding one in that condition at any price.  These are rusting away
>> rapidly.
>>
>> My '85 300SD has the same exterior color (cabernet red), with a parchment
>> ("champignon") interior.  A top 10 combination.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 7:58 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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>>
>>> Nice color combination. Ambitious pricing
>>>
>>> —FT
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Sprinter 2500 van - $5,900

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Offer the owner $500 to sign over the title.

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> Sounds like a mechanic's lien sale to get a repair bill paid. Wonder how
> that complicates getting a title?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Nice looking W126 300SD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My bad.  This car is "orient red".  Cabernet red is more like maroon, with
a hint of brown...

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 10:41 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
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> Try finding one in that condition at any price.  These are rusting away
> rapidly.
>
> My '85 300SD has the same exterior color (cabernet red), with a parchment
> ("champignon") interior.  A top 10 combination.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 7:58 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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>> Nice color combination. Ambitious pricing
>>
>> —FT
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> > Cheep Walmart house brand tires though.
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] My keyboard has no punctuation characters - 1985 380 SL - 128k miles - $6, 500

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I like it.  Smoke silver??

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> Need more adderall not Not rear and front Front only
>
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Re: [MBZ] Nice looking W126 300SD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Try finding one in that condition at any price.  These are rusting away
rapidly.

My '85 300SD has the same exterior color (cabernet red), with a parchment
("champignon") interior.  A top 10 combination.



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> Nice color combination. Ambitious pricing
>
> —FT
>
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] I have been restoring and not much left to do - 1995 SL500

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If it runs/drives/stops and passes inspection that's not a bad price.

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> stickers and headrests
>
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Re: [MBZ] My keyboard has no punctuation characters - 1985 380 SL - 128k miles - $6, 500

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Need more adderall not Not rear and front Front only 

—FT

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Re: [MBZ] Nice looking W126 300SD

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Nice color combination. Ambitious pricing 

—FT

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Re: [MBZ] I have been restoring and not much left to do - 1995 SL500

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Welcome to my fantasy world as I take you on a restoration journey of AC 
stickers and headrests

—FT

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Re: [MBZ] Axle challenge

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On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 18:50:11 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I got the thing back together quite easily. I jiggered the inner joint
> around a bit and it slid right on! Yay in that. 

Congratulations! I was going to suggest using a hose clamp to compress
the ring to get things started and then taking it off to mate things
further, but you got it done without that!


> I have to replace a LCA on the right, the ball joint was completely
> shot and rattling. 

Yes, that says you do need to replace it. How did it get so bad? Lack of
lubrication?


> Progress!

Press on!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Axle challenge

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I got the thing back together quite easily. I jiggered the inner joint around a 
bit and it slid right on! Yay in that. 

Getting the hub end back in with 2 LCA ball joints was a bit more challenging, 
one kinda conflicts with the outer CV joint but with various shifting around I 
got everything back together. Gotta tighten up the nuts and outer axle bolt in 
the hub then on to the right side.

I’m gonna get another inner seal while I’ve got it apart. I was stupid snd 
didn’t order one, now I’m gonna have to go to the stealer. Called them this 
afternoon and their parts computer was down so the guy couldn’t check, but in 
JAX there were 27. Not that that does me any good tomorrow. 

I have to replace a LCA on the right, the ball joint was completely shot and 
rattling. 

Progress!

--FT
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> On Jun 19, 2024, at 4:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail  
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> 
> The issue on both axles is this snap ring thing that sits in a slot on the 
> male axle spline then there is a corresponding slot in the female end. 
> Compressing it to get the axle off is the challenge. It’s brute force it 
> seems, you just have to physically overcome the whole purpose of it. This one 
> is on the left side with the male end on the diff. The ring actually stayed 
> on the stub when the cup came off so I can reuse that one.
> 
> I’m starting to try to get it back together and of course there’s no way to 
> push the axle on, nothing to push on. I don’t really see how a compression 
> tool would work either as there is a little ramp on the end of the female end 
> that will fit over it, I’m not sure if it will actually compress it without 
> some force. But I shall have at it.
> 
> The ring is almost at the outboard end of the shaft, the corresponding groove 
> is way up in the cup.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] 617s suck

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

When I look at the 617 sitting in my 300SD there seems to be all kinds of room 
around it compared to the E500. Never done the turbo drain though.


On Wed, Jun 19, 2024, at 16:04, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> I just worked on a 617 for the first time in probably 10-15 years. The 
> agenda was turbo train tube seal, valve adjustment, oil/filter change, 
> hood release cable. I finally got the turbo drain tube out after 
> fighting it for 4 hours. This is nothing short of a whore of a job. 
> Taking apart a 642 for an oil cooler seals job seems easier. I now 
> remember why the 617 sucks to work on. It’s now nearly 100 out in the 
> shop and I’m done messing with it.
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Re: [MBZ] G-d help me

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Grooming a poodle probably costs about the same as a dealer-performed oil
change.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 12:35 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> I took poodles to the groomer this morning. Right near the place, which is
> in a back country road on the Island, I saw a slammed CL sitting in a front
> yard. On the way back I stopped in the road to get a closer look at it,
> couldn’t tell if it was a 500 or 600. Don’t see many around so my curiosity
> was aroused. When I go back to pick up the dogs I might stop by see if
> anyone is home.
>
> As I was leaving an R63 parked next to me. I know that car, belongs to a
> woman I know, I had seen her driving it.  She lives up the road a bit on a
> nice property on the creek. I haven’t seen her for awhile. I asked the guy
> getting out if he was her husband. (I met him once but can’t remember what
> he looked like). The guy says with a Brit-type accent oh no I’m just
> bringing the dogs. I said I liked the car and he says yeah I wish I had
> their money and it would be mine, they have a bunch of cars and don’t drive
> this one much. So I said well tell Alicia if she wants to sell it on…
>
> So that was my morning temptations. Get thee behind me Satan!!!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Success!!!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

No not really.  I had thought of that, using some sort of small 
hydraulic bottle jack but the issue is that the cup ends that fit on the 
intermediate shaft (both sides) sit up inside the frame rail on both 
sides.  You can sorta reach in there from the bottom, there is a bit of 
opening but not a lot, and maybe with more clearance (car up higher than 
I have it) and a mallet and rod of some sort it might be possible, but 
then that might damage the bearings on the intermediate shaft.  Plus 
getting some tension on the cable would be kinda hard given how the 
whole thing is set up.


The main issue seems to be that there are retaining rings in a slot on 
both the intermediate shaft and the axles both sides, and these have to 
be compressed or something as the axle is being pulled out.  This will 
probably be some sort of issue putting it back together, the WIS shows a 
compression tool like those things for getting fuel line fittings off, I 
have a set of those.  This one they show is $150!!!


--FT

On 6/19/24 11:46 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Was there any way to use the cable to put static tension on the dingus,
and then whack the dingus with a hammer?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Success!!!

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Was there any way to use the cable to put static tension on the dingus,
and then whack the dingus with a hammer?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Success!!!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yes.  $400. It's basically two bars that fit either end of the inside 
part of the axle with threaded rods that connect the ends of each bar 
and the slide hammer shaft screws into one of the bars. Probably 
something I could make but that would have taken a fair amount of effort 
but maybe not as much as I ended up with.  I don't know.


--FT

On 6/19/24 11:16 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

I assume there's an expensive Mercedes tool meant for this job? And would it 
have been worth it?

On Wed, Jun 19, 2024, at 00:09, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

Yeah I could feel some give on it but I couldn’t really think of any
other way to do it. The slack took some finessing too as the cable was
about 2ft long to give me room to grab the slide.

The inboard cups are inside a frame cutout and even working the
loop-knotted (what’s that called?) stiff cable in there took a bit of
doing.  I could barely fit some fingers in there.

There are kits that have these slotted disk things that fit over the
back of the axle cup or spline fittings and screw on to the puller
directly but there was no room to fit that in through the frame
cutouts.

Ultimately it worked out ok even with the effort so I can’t complain (much)

--FT
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wrote:

I'm sure the difficulty was the wire cable.  It's got just enough 'give' to it
to dampen the effectiveness of the shock from the hammer.  Glad it eventually
worked, though.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Success!!!

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I assume there's an expensive Mercedes tool meant for this job? And would it 
have been worth it?

On Wed, Jun 19, 2024, at 00:09, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> Yeah I could feel some give on it but I couldn’t really think of any 
> other way to do it. The slack took some finessing too as the cable was 
> about 2ft long to give me room to grab the slide. 
>
> The inboard cups are inside a frame cutout and even working the 
> loop-knotted (what’s that called?) stiff cable in there took a bit of 
> doing.  I could barely fit some fingers in there. 
>
> There are kits that have these slotted disk things that fit over the 
> back of the axle cup or spline fittings and screw on to the puller 
> directly but there was no room to fit that in through the frame 
> cutouts. 
>
> Ultimately it worked out ok even with the effort so I can’t complain (much)
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On Jun 18, 2024, at 11:46 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm sure the difficulty was the wire cable.  It's got just enough 'give' to 
>> it
>> to dampen the effectiveness of the shock from the hammer.  Glad it eventually
>> worked, though.
>> 
>> -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Success!!!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

The cable was my thought on why it was so difficult as well.
Happy that it ultimately worked for you.
If you had to do these often, you would no doubt find a better way.

Randy


On 18/06/2024 11:09 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

Yeah I could feel some give on it but I couldn’t really think of any other way 
to do it. The slack took some finessing too as the cable was about 2ft long to 
give me room to grab the slide.

The inboard cups are inside a frame cutout and even working the loop-knotted 
(what’s that called?) stiff cable in there took a bit of doing.  I could barely 
fit some fingers in there.

There are kits that have these slotted disk things that fit over the back of 
the axle cup or spline fittings and screw on to the puller directly but there 
was no room to fit that in through the frame cutouts.

Ultimately it worked out ok even with the effort so I can’t complain (much)

--FT
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I'm sure the difficulty was the wire cable.  It's got just enough 'give' to it
to dampen the effectiveness of the shock from the hammer.  Glad it eventually
worked, though.

-- Jim





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Re: [MBZ] Hey, Andrew!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I saw that.  A real shame - their design was really cool.  I also had a
stake in Lordstown Motors and they went bankrupt as well.

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> I see your favorite car’s company is filing for bankruptcy.
>
> Back to scissors, I guess?
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Re: [MBZ] The pre 2000 ML to be avoided?

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I’m really trying to be good and sell a bunch of cars before buying more, so I 
would not even offer them $200 for it I don’t think. 

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> On Jun 19, 2024, at 8:25 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Offer $500 and go from there.  Has a hitch so that is worth something. Poos 
> says they have issues but for cheepcheep could be worth messing with
> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] The pre 2000 ML to be avoided?

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Offer $500 and go from there.  Has a hitch so that is worth something. 
Poos says they have issues but for cheepcheep could be worth messing with


--FT

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Re: [MBZ] W124 in the Hood

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Nope. No room at the inn, sorry.

-D


> On Jun 18, 2024, at 9:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> That needs to move to your driveway
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>> Interesting color, love the spoiler:
>> 
>> 
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>> 4D
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Re: [MBZ] W124 in the Hood

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That needs to move to your driveway 

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] Success!!!

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Yeah I could feel some give on it but I couldn’t really think of any other way 
to do it. The slack took some finessing too as the cable was about 2ft long to 
give me room to grab the slide. 

The inboard cups are inside a frame cutout and even working the loop-knotted 
(what’s that called?) stiff cable in there took a bit of doing.  I could barely 
fit some fingers in there. 

There are kits that have these slotted disk things that fit over the back of 
the axle cup or spline fittings and screw on to the puller directly but there 
was no room to fit that in through the frame cutouts. 

Ultimately it worked out ok even with the effort so I can’t complain (much)

--FT
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> On Jun 18, 2024, at 11:46 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm sure the difficulty was the wire cable.  It's got just enough 'give' to 
> it
> to dampen the effectiveness of the shock from the hammer.  Glad it eventually
> worked, though.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 in the Hood

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The matching color headlight wipers pull it all together. 

AZBob

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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Success!!!

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I'm sure the difficulty was the wire cable.  It's got just enough 'give' to it
to dampen the effectiveness of the shock from the hammer.  Glad it eventually
worked, though.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Success!!!

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On LF the the end on the diff is a male spline so I can get at it with a metal 
brush on the drill. That’s the one that was really hard. I’ll grease it up and 
the new axle *should* slide right on. 

The RF has a female spline fitting at the diff and the axle has the male 
spline. I’ll have to see how best to get that one cleaned up. 

I have to replace the R LCA too, the air strut hooks to that and the buddy 
won’t come off and the torx hole on the strut tapered bolt has stripped so 
that’s going to be the next challenge. 

--FT
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> On Jun 18, 2024, at 10:16 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> I would be wondering what it’s going to take to get the replacement in there…
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2024, at 6:54 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Strong work, literally!!
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 18, 2024, at 9:49 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> After banging on the LF axle for days, soaking it with Kroil, banging 
>>> more, soaking etc. I still couldn’t get it loose. Hot wrench time. 3 times 
>>> with Kroil and banging in between. Really hot. Finally I was ready to give 
>>> up for the day because my arm and hand were hurting from banging with the 
>>> slide hammer. But I tried banging one more time and success!!!  Got the 
>>> inner axle fitting off.
>>> 
>>> Yay me.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Green/green '73 450SL

[Clay via Mercedes]

Hard to say.  They had it on CL a few months back for $11k

Clay


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> On Jun 18, 2024, at 10:24 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
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> 
> On 2024-06-18 12:56, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> This has Kaleb written all over it.  Ownership would be a perfect way to
>> assuage a mid-life crisis.
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-mercedes-benz-450sl-87/
> 
> What would happen if Froggy's current owner submitted it to BaT?


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Re: [MBZ] Success!!!

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I would be wondering what it’s going to take to get the replacement in there…

-D

> On Jun 18, 2024, at 6:54 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Strong work, literally!!
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2024, at 9:49 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> After banging on the LF axle for days, soaking it with Kroil, banging more, 
>> soaking etc. I still couldn’t get it loose. Hot wrench time. 3 times with 
>> Kroil and banging in between. Really hot. Finally I was ready to give up for 
>> the day because my arm and hand were hurting from banging with the slide 
>> hammer. But I tried banging one more time and success!!!  Got the inner axle 
>> fitting off.
>> 
>> Yay me.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Success!!!

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Strong work, literally!!
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> On Jun 18, 2024, at 9:49 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> After banging on the LF axle for days, soaking it with Kroil, banging more, 
> soaking etc. I still couldn’t get it loose. Hot wrench time. 3 times with 
> Kroil and banging in between. Really hot. Finally I was ready to give up for 
> the day because my arm and hand were hurting from banging with the slide 
> hammer. But I tried banging one more time and success!!!  Got the inner axle 
> fitting off.
> 
> Yay me.  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] $42k restoration, $26k BaT sales price

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Just popped up on my CL search here, is a rusty 911 Targa ("could use a front 
pan replacement") with the engine in pieces really worth $30k?

https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-1978-porsche-911-sc-targa/7758180687.html


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> I went to a PCA rally at Saddlebrook with Roger (remember him?) I know 
> the basics about 911s and 914s from my VW days, but that’s about it. 
> Woger had some commitment for part of the afternoon, so I just wandered 
> around the field/parking lot and looked at cars and spoke to owners.
>
> I spent a good 30 minutes with a guy who walked me around his 912 in 
> great detail. Provenance, restoration work, mechanicals, appearance, 
> you name it. This guy clearly knew all there was to know and more about 
> 912s. I wouldn’t have known the difference. Yet I noticed that some 
> people sort of turned up their noses at his car, and I asked him it it 
> was just me or were people really acting that way.
>
> “Well, some so-called purists don’t think a 912 should be compared with 
> a 911, that it’s a second cousin, or red-headed stepchild to the 911. 
> It’s just as much fun to drive, maybe not as fast, but it looks the 
> same yet costs a lot less.”
>
> Smartest guy in the place.
>
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] Paint has crows feet

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"Paint has crows feet".  Orange peel?

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> Good from far but far from good.
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Re: [MBZ] '07 E350 Low Miles

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And a clear tittle to boot! May very well be abalance shaft affected car. Check 
VIN!

-D

> On Jun 18, 2024, at 12:34 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/gilbert-2007-mercedes-benz-e350/7758156458.html
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> Either weird reflections or clear coat is sketchy.
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Re: [MBZ] Green/green '73 450SL

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On 2024-06-18 12:56, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
This has Kaleb written all over it.  Ownership would be a perfect way 
to

assuage a mid-life crisis.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-mercedes-benz-450sl-87/


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Re: [MBZ] $42k restoration, $26k BaT sales price

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I went to a PCA rally at Saddlebrook with Roger (remember him?) I know the 
basics about 911s and 914s from my VW days, but that’s about it. Woger had some 
commitment for part of the afternoon, so I just wandered around the 
field/parking lot and looked at cars and spoke to owners.

I spent a good 30 minutes with a guy who walked me around his 912 in great 
detail. Provenance, restoration work, mechanicals, appearance, you name it. 
This guy clearly knew all there was to know and more about 912s. I wouldn’t 
have known the difference. Yet I noticed that some people sort of turned up 
their noses at his car, and I asked him it it was just me or were people really 
acting that way.

“Well, some so-called purists don’t think a 912 should be compared with a 911, 
that it’s a second cousin, or red-headed stepchild to the 911. It’s just as 
much fun to drive, maybe not as fast, but it looks the same yet costs a lot 
less.”

Smartest guy in the place.

-D


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> I enjoy 912s. A friend’s dad had one and I snuck a drive in it once.
> I love 914s. My uncle had one. Orange. If I was beyond flush I’d have one.
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 17, 2024, at 6:51 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That one didn't pay off so well.
>> Funny how 912 prices are to the moon and 914 prices not so much.
>> 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-porsche-914-37/
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Re: [MBZ] $42k restoration, $26k BaT sales price

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I enjoy 912s. A friend’s dad had one and I snuck a drive in it once. 
I love 914s. My uncle had one. Orange. If I was beyond flush I’d have one. 

AZBob

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> On Jun 17, 2024, at 6:51 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
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> That one didn't pay off so well.
> Funny how 912 prices are to the moon and 914 prices not so much.
> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-porsche-914-37/
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Re: [MBZ] I stopped by Saturday to look at this -- Certified Pre-Owned 2020 Mercedes-Benz AMG® GT

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The stealer sales guy I was talking to wanted to get a 126 coupé because he 
liked them. He said the guys there had no idea how to work on them. I said yeah 
you can’t plug a computer into them do they’re clueless and he totally agreed. 

--FT
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> On Jun 17, 2024, at 10:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Then we can move on to the maintenance and repair departments.
> 
> A friend at the gym was telling me about his '14 Audi. Broke the timing belt 
> (or chain?) and dealer told him he needed a new engine, quote was close to or 
> maybe into five figures. The local MB indy he goes to for his GLA gave him 
> the name of a guy who works on Audi and VW. He pulled the head, there was one 
> bent valve, fixed and on the road for $2,500.
> 
> "Replace major component" is the dealer approach, no longer do they take the 
> time to diagnose the actual problem or damage and just repair that.
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2024, at 19:16, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> When I looked at the car on their lot I asked why they didn’t just
>> label it “guaranteed profit?” That didn’t elicit a response.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 2010 C300 Sport 4WD - $7,200

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Exactly.  Stupid ask for a cheep klasse. Prices up that way seem considerably 
higher than around the South

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> On Jun 17, 2024, at 10:16 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Seems like you could go down to Floyd's neck of the woods and get an E or 
> maybe an S for that money.
> 
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/cicero-2010-mercedes-c300-sport-4wd/7757813654.html
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Then we can move on to the maintenance and repair departments.

A friend at the gym was telling me about his '14 Audi. Broke the timing belt 
(or chain?) and dealer told him he needed a new engine, quote was close to or 
maybe into five figures. The local MB indy he goes to for his GLA gave him the 
name of a guy who works on Audi and VW. He pulled the head, there was one bent 
valve, fixed and on the road for $2,500.

"Replace major component" is the dealer approach, no longer do they take the 
time to diagnose the actual problem or damage and just repair that.

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024, at 19:16, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> When I looked at the car on their lot I asked why they didn’t just 
> label it “guaranteed profit?” That didn’t elicit a response.
>
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] I stopped by Saturday to look at this -- Certified Pre-Owned 2020 Mercedes-Benz AMG® GT

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Ol' Dave Mason called that the "git ready" fee.

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024, at 18:14, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> Yeah the “dealer fee” was $750 and there was something else I forget. 
> “Documentation fee” or “prep fee” or something. F that. Yeah here’s my 
> payment, just stamp the title, give me a bill of sale and the keys and 
> let me get outta here. Easy peasy no cost there. 
>
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] I stopped by Saturday to look at this -- Certified Pre-Owned 2020 Mercedes-Benz AMG® GT

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In OK they do not have to charge a doc fee but if they do they have to charge 
everyone. In MO the state mandates the max dealer’s can charge. They just 
raised it $299 to $599 IIRC. I had a lot of dealers raise their default fees in 
desking as soon as they happened. It’s pure padding for the deal basically. 
Sales people do not get paid on it. There are a variety of things the sales 
people don’t get paid on that the dealers make money on such as the hold back 
on new cars as well as whatever the dealer pack which can be different on new 
versus used.  Hold back is basically bonus money paid on each unit from the 
manufacturer. A typical amount is in the $4-800 range. Pack is just a number 
that is added to the cost of each deal that the owner/dealer principal comes up 
with. This could be anywhere from $8-1200 and is basically added to the cost of 
the vehicle subtracted from the gross. This amount goes straight to the owners 
pocket which also lowers the commission the dealer pays the sales person on the 
deal. 

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> On Jun 17, 2024, at 6:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I looked at the car on their lot I asked why they didn’t just label it 
> “guaranteed profit?” That didn’t elicit a response.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2024, at 3:50 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> In Michigan, and I suspect everywhere, the added fees have to be universal.
>> If they discriminate and only charge the fee to some customers, they can 
>> lose their license, or be forced to refund everybody they collected the now 
>> illegal fee from.
>> They could drop the selling price $750, but they can't take the 'mandatory 
>> fee' off or discount it, otherwise it wouldn't be mandatory.
>> 
>> I suspect the law is pretty much the same thing everywhere.
>> When it was a $75 document fee 30 years ago I thought it was a scam.
>> Now that it's $500+, it's enough to keep me from dealing with them.
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[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

When I looked at the car on their lot I asked why they didn’t just label it 
“guaranteed profit?” That didn’t elicit a response.

-D

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 3:50 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> In Michigan, and I suspect everywhere, the added fees have to be universal.
> If they discriminate and only charge the fee to some customers, they can lose 
> their license, or be forced to refund everybody they collected the now 
> illegal fee from.
> They could drop the selling price $750, but they can't take the 'mandatory 
> fee' off or discount it, otherwise it wouldn't be mandatory.
> 
> I suspect the law is pretty much the same thing everywhere.
> When it was a $75 document fee 30 years ago I thought it was a scam.
> Now that it's $500+, it's enough to keep me from dealing with them.
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[mitch--- via Mercedes]

In Michigan, and I suspect everywhere, the added fees have to be 
universal.
If they discriminate and only charge the fee to some customers, they can 
lose their license, or be forced to refund everybody they collected the 
now illegal fee from.
They could drop the selling price $750, but they can't take the 
'mandatory fee' off or discount it, otherwise it wouldn't be mandatory.


I suspect the law is pretty much the same thing everywhere.
When it was a $75 document fee 30 years ago I thought it was a scam.
Now that it's $500+, it's enough to keep me from dealing with them.

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone remember these?

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Finally read the comments, and learned something.
Apparently the 850s, or some of the 850s, had oil injection.


1966saab (The Seller) This author's likes: 113

Hi, yes the oil injection system is working as it should.
Al did get a chance to take this out for a ride to check out It the 
noise we all can hear. It turns out to be a rattle coming from the 
ashtray! He has made the repair and tightened it up. Sorry I wasn’t here 
to get a video of that or taking it down the road again so we could hear 
the noise was gone.

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Is the oil injection system connected and functional or has it been 
bypassed?


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Re: [MBZ] I stopped by Saturday to look at this -- Certified Pre-Owned 2020 Mercedes-Benz AMG® GT

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yeah the “dealer fee” was $750 and there was something else I forget. 
“Documentation fee” or “prep fee” or something. F that. Yeah here’s my payment, 
just stamp the title, give me a bill of sale and the keys and let me get outta 
here. Easy peasy no cost there. 

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> On Jun 17, 2024, at 4:38 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would rather have the Jag. I lust after those, they're beautiful cars.
> 
> I can’t imagine what a clown show buying a new MB is today. I love how 
> there’s no price on the Monroney sticker (how do they get around that?) 
> meaning that they’re going to jerk me around as much as they can before they 
> every get to the Tru-Coat stuff.
> 
> I like how MB of Tampa has a “dealer fee” of $800 last time I checked, and 
> will not under any circumstances remove it from a sale, even with used cars 
> on their lot. One of the few times I drove the CL600 I was picking up some 
> parts there and one of the used car idiots came out and started jerking my 
> chain about what a great trade the car would be. I’m thinking he figured I 
> was an idiot, because as soon as I said, “Give me a price and guarantee it 
> before anyone ever touches the car” and he was like, “Oh, yeah, no problem.” 
> I told him I would be at the wholesale parts counter to pick up some parts 
> and his face dropped. Never saw him again, but I did see his boss and asked 
> him where the guy was because he wanted to make me an offer on my 2001 CL600. 
> His eyes got wide and he says, “Did he give you a number yet?"
> 
> There was something on the used lot a few years ago that I recall being 
> interested in, might have been a W211 when I was looking for Mrs. Dan’s R129 
> replacement. I told the sales guy they would have to take the “Dealer fee” 
> off of the contract, they could bury it where ever they wanted, but I wasn’t 
> paying it as a line item.
> 
> “We can’t do that, sir.”
> 
> “Well, I guess you won’t be making this sale."
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2024, at 1:01 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I saw this driving by the Benz stealer on Friday while on the way to Costco. 
>>  Roadster.  It looked really nice, red/black seats, sounded REALLY good even 
>> without downpipes.  Center console upgrade though that doesn't really appeal 
>> to me and the engine appeared to be detuned a bit from the earlier models.  
>> h. The auto top went through enough Rube Goldberg contortions, about 38 
>> moving parts, to make my head hurt.  G-d forbid that thing kakks.  It was 
>> kinda fun to watch though, like watching a train wreck in slomo.  I didn't 
>> drive it, they want you to sign 16 forms to drive an AMG although the guy 
>> probably would've gone with me in it right then.  I had driven the CL600 and 
>> that caught his eye so I guess that made me somewhat legit.  He really liked 
>> it and said he was thinking about finding one.
>> 
>> Reeked of cig smoke.  The stealer bought it from auction in NJ and had it 
>> shipped down here, discovered the stench and have tried all their detailing 
>> tricks to get it out.  I guess it wouldn't really matter if it was for 
>> top-down driving but it was still pretty bad even after cleaning and ozone 
>> 2X.  The stealer guy who was hanging around the used lot covering for 
>> someone who was gone says this is why it is "marked down."  (That price was 
>> a little high for these things but since it was a CPO maybe that would be 
>> worth it if they continue a warranty for awhile)
>> 
>> It's been sitting for 3-4months, he said if it doesn't sell in a month or so 
>> (which he did not expect to happen) they would move it to some other 
>> location they own or auction it on with the cig stink disclosure.  So I say 
>> yeah you're gonna take a big haircut on that at auction (he didn't 
>> disagree), how about you give me a number that will be like what you would 
>> get net selling it on, I'll save you all that hassle.  He rang the used car 
>> guy who was in the trailer eating his lunch and this guy said they would 
>> knock off the bullshit fees they load up the price with.  I'm sure the 
>> Tru-coat was still gonna get charged though.  I said yeah I wouldn't pay 
>> those anyway so maybe get realistic, so that is the best you can do?  He 
>> says yeah that's what he says...  OK thank you sir... These guys are clowns, 
>> not really willing to negotiate much.  I guess they figure there are plenty 
>> of suckers coming around or they can just turf them off to the next outfit.
>> 
>> Not that I am presently in the market for such a thing but it was kinda fun 
>> to have this stealer interaction and check out another GT.  The guy I talked 
>> to was actually pretty nice, didn't bullshit me at all (that was his buddy), 
>> and had interest in older Benzes, just got divorced so he was feeling his 
>> oatios a bit.  He had a really pretty cranberry/reddish-colored Jagyoowah XF 
>> coupé parked in back row there, caught my eye, he 

Re: [MBZ] Nice NA 1978 300CD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That one is really rough.

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 3:02 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://thembmarket.com/1978-mercedes-benz-300cd-2
>
> --FT
>
> On 6/17/24 9:30 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Pretty color.  Might sell for well under $10K
> > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mercedes-benz-300cd-20/
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[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I would rather have the Jag. I lust after those, they're beautiful cars.

I can’t imagine what a clown show buying a new MB is today. I love how there’s 
no price on the Monroney sticker (how do they get around that?) meaning that 
they’re going to jerk me around as much as they can before they every get to 
the Tru-Coat stuff.

I like how MB of Tampa has a “dealer fee” of $800 last time I checked, and will 
not under any circumstances remove it from a sale, even with used cars on their 
lot. One of the few times I drove the CL600 I was picking up some parts there 
and one of the used car idiots came out and started jerking my chain about what 
a great trade the car would be. I’m thinking he figured I was an idiot, because 
as soon as I said, “Give me a price and guarantee it before anyone ever touches 
the car” and he was like, “Oh, yeah, no problem.” I told him I would be at the 
wholesale parts counter to pick up some parts and his face dropped. Never saw 
him again, but I did see his boss and asked him where the guy was because he 
wanted to make me an offer on my 2001 CL600. His eyes got wide and he says, 
“Did he give you a number yet?"

There was something on the used lot a few years ago that I recall being 
interested in, might have been a W211 when I was looking for Mrs. Dan’s R129 
replacement. I told the sales guy they would have to take the “Dealer fee” off 
of the contract, they could bury it where ever they wanted, but I wasn’t paying 
it as a line item.

“We can’t do that, sir.”

“Well, I guess you won’t be making this sale."

-D


> On Jun 17, 2024, at 1:01 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I saw this driving by the Benz stealer on Friday while on the way to Costco.  
> Roadster.  It looked really nice, red/black seats, sounded REALLY good even 
> without downpipes.  Center console upgrade though that doesn't really appeal 
> to me and the engine appeared to be detuned a bit from the earlier models.  
> h. The auto top went through enough Rube Goldberg contortions, about 38 
> moving parts, to make my head hurt.  G-d forbid that thing kakks.  It was 
> kinda fun to watch though, like watching a train wreck in slomo.  I didn't 
> drive it, they want you to sign 16 forms to drive an AMG although the guy 
> probably would've gone with me in it right then.  I had driven the CL600 and 
> that caught his eye so I guess that made me somewhat legit.  He really liked 
> it and said he was thinking about finding one.
> 
> Reeked of cig smoke.  The stealer bought it from auction in NJ and had it 
> shipped down here, discovered the stench and have tried all their detailing 
> tricks to get it out.  I guess it wouldn't really matter if it was for 
> top-down driving but it was still pretty bad even after cleaning and ozone 
> 2X.  The stealer guy who was hanging around the used lot covering for someone 
> who was gone says this is why it is "marked down."  (That price was a little 
> high for these things but since it was a CPO maybe that would be worth it if 
> they continue a warranty for awhile)
> 
> It's been sitting for 3-4months, he said if it doesn't sell in a month or so 
> (which he did not expect to happen) they would move it to some other location 
> they own or auction it on with the cig stink disclosure.  So I say yeah 
> you're gonna take a big haircut on that at auction (he didn't disagree), how 
> about you give me a number that will be like what you would get net selling 
> it on, I'll save you all that hassle.  He rang the used car guy who was in 
> the trailer eating his lunch and this guy said they would knock off the 
> bullshit fees they load up the price with.  I'm sure the Tru-coat was still 
> gonna get charged though.  I said yeah I wouldn't pay those anyway so maybe 
> get realistic, so that is the best you can do?  He says yeah that's what he 
> says...  OK thank you sir... These guys are clowns, not really willing to 
> negotiate much.  I guess they figure there are plenty of suckers coming 
> around or they can just turf them off to the next outfit.
> 
> Not that I am presently in the market for such a thing but it was kinda fun 
> to have this stealer interaction and check out another GT.  The guy I talked 
> to was actually pretty nice, didn't bullshit me at all (that was his buddy), 
> and had interest in older Benzes, just got divorced so he was feeling his 
> oatios a bit.  He had a really pretty cranberry/reddish-colored Jagyoowah XF 
> coupé parked in back row there, caught my eye, he noticed me looking at it 
> and said right quick it was already sold and he was getting something else I 
> forget what.  But it was a bro-bonding moment.
> 
> https://www.mountpleasant.mercedesdealer.com/inventory/certified-used-2020-mercedes-benz-amg%c2%ae-gt-base-rwd-2d-convertible-wddyk7ha2la025750/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Stylish ML350 - $5,600

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My 2008 ML550 just turned 193k the other day. Been a great ride since I bought 
it.

It’s one of my all-time favorite MBs.

-D

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 12:06 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> Miles getting up there but price doesn't seem too crazy.
> 
> https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-louis-stylish-mercedes-ml350/7757762364.html
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Re: [MBZ] Nice NA 1978 300CD

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://thembmarket.com/1978-mercedes-benz-300cd-2

--FT

On 6/17/24 9:30 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Pretty color.  Might sell for well under $10K
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mercedes-benz-300cd-20/
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone remember these?

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On Mon, Jun 17, 2024, at 14:53, OK DonN via Mercedes wrote:
>
> Nostalgia and that unique 3 cylinder 2-stroke sound.
>

Would be nasty to drive behind one. I don't even like driving behind old 
classic cars when their owners have them out for a Sunday drive. I remember 
that smell as a kid -- it really demonstrates how much unburned fuel those old 
carbureted V8s just dumped out the exhaust pipe.


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Re: [MBZ] Anyone remember these?

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> So, why in the world did the current seller take out the V4 engine and
> put the 3-inline engine back in ???
> 
> 
> Craig
> 

Nostalgia and that unique 3 cylinder 2-stroke sound.

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone remember these?

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2024-06-17 14:19, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 18:03:06 + (UTC) Curt Raymond
 wrote:


Yeah, the v4 engines were a big upgrade because they were 4 stroke...

-Curt


So, why in the world did the current seller take out the V4 engine and
put the 3-inline engine back in ???




To restore a modified classic car to original condition?
My uncle's 1968 Camaro would be worth more with a 60s vintage 327 than 
with the 350 that he bought new in the 70s when he ran the original 327 
out of oil.


Work performed under current ownership included a repaint in red, 
installing an overhauled 850cc two-stroke inline-three in place of a 
previously retrofitted 1.5-liter V4, and rebuilding the carburetors.


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Re: [MBZ] Anyone remember these?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Originality I suppose. 

-Curt



On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 02:19:56 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 18:03:06 + (UTC) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> Yeah, the v4 engines were a big upgrade because they were 4 stroke...
> 
> -Curt

So, why in the world did the current seller take out the V4 engine and
put the 3-inline engine back in ???



Craig

> On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 17:57:53 + (UTC) Curt Raymond
>  wrote:
> 
> > 2 stroke engine, no oil injection, premix.
> > 
> > If you were coming down a hill in gear the engine would be above idle
> > but would only be getting an idle level of oil fed to it. No crankcase
> > oil...
> 
> OH! I had not thought of that.
> 
> No wonder they had a "coast at low throttle" option!
>
> Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Anyone remember these?

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On 2024-06-17 14:02, Craig via Mercedes wrote:


No wonder they had a "coast at low throttle" option!


Yes, a freewheel like on a bicycle.
The shadetree fix for sticky pawls was Marvel Mystery Oil in the 
gearbox.
But most people just locked the freewheel out (with 4 strokes) if it 
started skipping when throttle reapplied. I don't recall what lube the 
Saab 95/96/97 gearboxes used, the 99 gearbox took SAE 70 gear oil.


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Re: [MBZ] Anyone remember these?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 18:03:06 + (UTC) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> Yeah, the v4 engines were a big upgrade because they were 4 stroke...
> 
> -Curt

So, why in the world did the current seller take out the V4 engine and
put the 3-inline engine back in ???


Craig

> On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 17:57:53 + (UTC) Curt Raymond
>  wrote:
> 
> > 2 stroke engine, no oil injection, premix.
> > 
> > If you were coming down a hill in gear the engine would be above idle
> > but would only be getting an idle level of oil fed to it. No crankcase
> > oil...
> 
> OH! I had not thought of that.
> 
> No wonder they had a "coast at low throttle" option!
>
> Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone remember these?

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On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 17:57:53 + (UTC) Curt Raymond
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> 2 stroke engine, no oil injection, premix.
> 
> If you were coming down a hill in gear the engine would be above idle
> but would only be getting an idle level of oil fed to it. No crankcase
> oil...

OH! I had not thought of that.

No wonder they had a "coast at low throttle" option!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone remember these?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

2 stroke engine, no oil injection, premix.

If you were coming down a hill in gear the engine would be above idle but would 
only be getting an idle level of oil fed to it. No crankcase oil...

-Curt


On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 01:52:32 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
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On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 13:13:13 -0400 mitch--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> ... but engine braking down a mountain with little to no fuel would
> result in damage from oil starvation.

That's weird. How would feeding it more throttle cause the oil to
circulate more?

Did they want you to coast down the mountain using only wheel brakes to
keep your speed low?


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Nice NA 1978 300CD

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

$5500 with an hour to go.  Wonder what the bidding frenzy will be like

--FT

On 6/17/24 9:59 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Very saturated colors. Almost like old Kodachrome slides. There's probably a 
photoshop filter for that.


On Mon, Jun 17, 2024, at 09:30, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Pretty color.  Might sell for well under $10K
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mercedes-benz-300cd-20/
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Re: [MBZ] Nice NA 1978 300CD

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

The 300CD- what sells for more on BAT, 125,000 documented miles, or 
67,000 indicated miles, actual miles unknown?


The Evo II- I was expecting six digits, was not expecting more than my 
house is worth (328k plus fees).


On 2024-06-17 09:49, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

Looks nice with appropriate patina.

This one... 
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-mercedes-benz-190e-2-5-16-evolution-ii-10/



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Re: [MBZ] Anyone remember these?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 13:13:13 -0400 mitch--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> ... but engine braking down a mountain with little to no fuel would
> result in damage from oil starvation.

That's weird. How would feeding it more throttle cause the oil to
circulate more?

Did they want you to coast down the mountain using only wheel brakes to
keep your speed low?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone remember these?

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On 2024-06-17 10:19, OK DonN via Mercedes wrote:
Yes - the flat rate for an engine overhaul was 8 hours. It could coast 
by letting off the throttle, or you could turn that feature off. 
Sounded like a Singer sewing machine going down the road.


I never drove a 2 stroke, but the later cars with the Ford V-4 forklift 
engine had the same gearbox. The freewheel was an oddity in the V-4, but 
pretty important in a two stroke without oil injection. Coasting to a 
stop with the throttle shut and the drivetrain spinning the engine was 
no big deal, but engine braking down a mountain with little to no fuel 
would result in damage from oil starvation.


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Re: [MBZ] Anyone remember these?

[OK DonN via Mercedes]

Yes - the flat rate for an engine overhaul was 8 hours. It could coast by 
letting off the throttle, or you could turn that feature off. Sounded like a 
Singer sewing machine going down the road.




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> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-saab-monte-carlo/?
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Re: [MBZ] Nice NA 1978 300CD

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Very saturated colors. Almost like old Kodachrome slides. There's probably a 
photoshop filter for that.


On Mon, Jun 17, 2024, at 09:30, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Pretty color.  Might sell for well under $10K
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mercedes-benz-300cd-20/
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