Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem
Yup, the spin-on filter. But they don't actually spin on, they only look like they might. They tighten down with the center bolt. If he's been spinning them on maybe that's the problem? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem
Fmiser wrote: Uhm - not for the fuel filter on a OM616 or OM617. They don't actually spin on. They should be removed and installed by turning the hollow bolt, not the actual filter. An ordinary socket is all that's needed. Unless the housing is cracked from overtightening the bolt in a failed attempt to compensate for a bad o-ring. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: 8. Put the filter wrench on the filter at the top, as close as you can get it to the top rim but not over the top rim. Don't use the wrench in any other position on the filter. 9. The box the filter came in may indicate how much you should tighten the filter with the wrench after gasket contact is made. If not, my experience has been using 1/2 to 3/4 turn. This is a Mercedes diesel fuel filter, not a domestic oil filter. I have never had to use a wrench on the filter. Just hold it by hand and tighten the bolt that goes through the filter mount into the filter with a socket and a rachet. Craig ___ Gerry replied: My directions were for a standard spin-on filter (see below). Since his son is having problems with his Mercedes bolt-on filter, the method I outlined might work better since the tightness of the filter and the seating of the gasket using the spin-on technique might solve the problem. With pliers or wrench and no torque wrench, it might be difficult for an inexperienced DIYer to install a Mercedes filter to the correct tightness. One thing I failed to mention was using a mirror and flashlight to check the gasket mating surface on the casting for debris or damage. I've never seen that sort of problem but it would be possible, I suppose. Normally I wait until one of the better informed members answers these questions, but since it's Christmas Eve, no one had made any suggestions, and his son would undoubtedly like to have his wheels back, I replied. If that doesn't work, my next suggestion would be to coat the gasket with a diesel oil resistant sealer of some sort (Permatex?), tighten correctly, and let set overnight before pumping in the fuel and starting the car. The gasket and mating surface would first have to be cleaned with a solvent, of course. Gerry Note: Mercedes has never used a standard, no-bolt, spin on filter? I leave that question to those much better informed about the mechanical history of Mercedes automobiles than I. From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net He has losed it? --R On 12/24/11 9:50 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: Yup, the spin-on filter.snip ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem
Or you can change the filter the way my MB trained Indies always did and I never had a problem on either of my 617s. I now use the same method when I change the secondary filter with no problems either. 1. Obviously, using a wrench or socket, loosen the bolt and then unscrew the filter by hand. 2. Put on a new washer on the bolt, preferably a copper and not aluminum. 3. Fill the filter with injector cleaner as the cleaner will go straight to the injectors and they get a good cleaning when you start the engine. 4. Put some diesel fuel on the filter gasket for lube. 5. Spin the filter on the bolt until it fills snug. 6. Use your wrench or socket to tighten the bolt, and I mean tighten good to seal the filter and compress the new washer. 7. Start the engine and check for leaks. If any, tighten the filter bolt more. Run engine until all injector cleaner has run out of the filter. Now this has always worked perfectly on my two old 617s and is only two data points over a period of about 14 years. Good luck and Merry Christmas , Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem
ANY TYPE OF THREAD LOCKER OR GASKET SEALANT ON THIS FILTER IS ASKING FOR INJECTOR PUMP PROBLEMS! There is no need for sealant and if it gets past this filter it goes straight to the injector pump. One tiny piece can cause more headache than a fuel leak. Mike On Dec 25, 2011 6:41 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: 8. Put the filter wrench on the filter at the top, as close as you can get it to the top rim but not over the top rim. Don't use the wrench in any other position on the filter. 9. The box the filter came in may indicate how much you should tighten the filter with the wrench after gasket contact is made. If not, my experience has been using 1/2 to 3/4 turn. This is a Mercedes diesel fuel filter, not a domestic oil filter. I have never had to use a wrench on the filter. Just hold it by hand and tighten the bolt that goes through the filter mount into the filter with a socket and a rachet. Craig __**_ Gerry replied: My directions were for a standard spin-on filter (see below). Since his son is having problems with his Mercedes bolt-on filter, the method I outlined might work better since the tightness of the filter and the seating of the gasket using the spin-on technique might solve the problem. With pliers or wrench and no torque wrench, it might be difficult for an inexperienced DIYer to install a Mercedes filter to the correct tightness. One thing I failed to mention was using a mirror and flashlight to check the gasket mating surface on the casting for debris or damage. I've never seen that sort of problem but it would be possible, I suppose. Normally I wait until one of the better informed members answers these questions, but since it's Christmas Eve, no one had made any suggestions, and his son would undoubtedly like to have his wheels back, I replied. If that doesn't work, my next suggestion would be to coat the gasket with a diesel oil resistant sealer of some sort (Permatex?), tighten correctly, and let set overnight before pumping in the fuel and starting the car. The gasket and mating surface would first have to be cleaned with a solvent, of course. Gerry Note: Mercedes has never used a standard, no-bolt, spin on filter? I leave that question to those much better informed about the mechanical history of Mercedes automobiles than I. ..**.. From: Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net He has losed it? --R On 12/24/11 9:50 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: Yup, the spin-on filter.snip ..**. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem
Note: Mercedes has never used a standard, no-bolt, spin on filter? I leave that question to those much better informed about the mechanical history of Mercedes automobiles than I. Well, the OM352 in my Unimog has two cartridge filters in big metal can housings, like the wretched elbow-nian oil filter on a M117 or OM636. Does that count? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem
Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: This is a Mercedes diesel fuel filter, not a domestic oil filter. I have never had to use a wrench on the filter. Just hold it by hand and tighten the bolt that goes through the filter mount into the filter with a socket and a rachet. But what is the proper torque? Tight enough so it doesn't leak (or come loose), but no tighter, is the best answer I know. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem
But what is the proper torque? Tight enough so it doesn't leak (or come loose), but no tighter, is the best answer I know. Certainly a lot less than the bolt head size might lead you to believe. It's hollow, after all. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem
I have never broken one of the banjo bolts. I would almost bet the threads in the filter would go before the bolt would break. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem
Make sure it has the correct 0-rings installed and is tightened properly. If the center bolt is not properly tight, it can shake loose. Peter On Dec 24, 2011, at 6:16 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: List Friends: Once again my son is asking me to diagnose a problem via long distance: He is in Austin TX, I am up here in Vancouver, WA. For the second time the fuel filter on his 1980 240D has come loose. I asked him to send me some pix, but have received nothing yet. Is it possible that the filter is clogged, raising pressure and causing it to loosen? It likely needs to be replaced anyway, but I am wondering if any of you all have experienced anything like this. It is a Mercedes, but is acting a bit like a gremlin! TIA for any help you can offer Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem
And if the O-ring at the lower end of the bolt is faulty/missing, the filter housing will become over preassured and leak. On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: List Friends: Once again my son is asking me to diagnose a problem via long distance: He is in Austin TX, I am up here in Vancouver, WA. For the second time the fuel filter on his 1980 240D has come loose. I asked him to send me some pix, but have received nothing yet. Is it possible that the filter is clogged, raising pressure and causing it to loosen? It likely needs to be replaced anyway, but I am wondering if any of you all have experienced anything like this. It is a Mercedes, but is acting a bit like a gremlin! TIA for any help you can offer Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem
Greg Fiorentino wrote: List Friends: Once again my son is asking me to diagnose a problem via long distance: He is in Austin TX, I am up here in Vancouver, WA. For the second time the fuel filter on his 1980 240D has come loose. Which filter? The spin on? Is it possible that the filter is clogged, raising pressure and causing it to loosen? I very much doubt it. I have never encountered that problem, nor can I think of a probable cause. If it continued, I'd probably use low-strength locktight on the threads. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem
Yup, the spin-on filter. Perhaps he has not tightened it properly! -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 5:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem Greg Fiorentino wrote: List Friends: Once again my son is asking me to diagnose a problem via long distance: He is in Austin TX, I am up here in Vancouver, WA. For the second time the fuel filter on his 1980 240D has come loose. Which filter? The spin on? Is it possible that the filter is clogged, raising pressure and causing it to loosen? I very much doubt it. I have never encountered that problem, nor can I think of a probable cause. If it continued, I'd probably use low-strength locktight on the threads. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem
He has losed it? --R On 12/24/11 9:50 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: Yup, the spin-on filter. Perhaps he has not tightened it properly! -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 5:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem Greg Fiorentino wrote: List Friends: Once again my son is asking me to diagnose a problem via long distance: He is in Austin TX, I am up here in Vancouver, WA. For the second time the fuel filter on his 1980 240D has come loose. Which filter? The spin on? Is it possible that the filter is clogged, raising pressure and causing it to loosen? I very much doubt it. I have never encountered that problem, nor can I think of a probable cause. If it continued, I'd probably use low-strength locktight on the threads. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem
1. Take off the spin-on filter. 2. Look at the rubber gasket very closely. 3. If it has any imperfections, use a new filter. 4. Look at the outside of the filter. If it has any dents or bent places, use a new filter. 4. Use any kind of oil based grease to very thoroughly coat the gasket and the surface in the filter assembly that the filter gasket contacts. 5. If you don't have a filter wrench that fits your filter, buy one; their cheap. 6. Don't fill the filter with diesel fuel before screwing it on the assembly; pump it in using many strokes after the filter is tightened. 7. Very gently and carefully screw the filter on until the gasket makes contact with the assembly. 8. Put the filter wrench on the filter at the top, as close as you can get it to the top rim but not over the top rim. Don't use the wrench in any other position on the filter. 9. The box the filter came in may indicate how much you should tighten the filter with the wrench after gasket contact is made. If not, my experience has been using 1/2 to 3/4 turn. Following is the usual way to do it: http://www.baldwinfilter.com/producthighlights.html Good luck, Gerry From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net He has losed it? --R On 12/24/11 9:50 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: Yup, the spin-on filter. Perhaps he has not tightened it properly! -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 5:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem Greg Fiorentino wrote: List Friends: Once again my son is asking me to diagnose a problem via long distance: He is in Austin TX, I am up here in Vancouver, WA. For the second time the fuel filter on his 1980 240D has come loose. Which filter? The spin on? Is it possible that the filter is clogged, raising pressure and causing it to loosen? I very much doubt it. I have never encountered that problem, nor can I think of a probable cause. If it continued, I'd probably use low-strength locktight on the threads. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1416 / Virus Database: 2109/4100 - Release Date: 12/24/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem
On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 23:11:52 -0500 Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: 8. Put the filter wrench on the filter at the top, as close as you can get it to the top rim but not over the top rim. Don't use the wrench in any other position on the filter. 9. The box the filter came in may indicate how much you should tighten the filter with the wrench after gasket contact is made. If not, my experience has been using 1/2 to 3/4 turn. This is a Mercedes diesel fuel filter, not a domestic oil filter. I have never had to use a wrench on the filter. Just hold it by hand and tighten the bolt that goes through the filter mount into the filter with a socket and a rachet. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange Fuel Filter Problem
Gerry Archer wrote: 5. If you don't have a filter wrench that fits your filter, buy one; their cheap. Uhm - not for the fuel filter on a OM616 or OM617. They don't actually spin on. They should be removed and installed by turning the hollow bolt, not the actual filter. An ordinary socket is all that's needed. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
