Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape (Explained)

2006-07-07 Thread mykd1
maybe I should refrase that as have another beer... :/ 
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
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Sent: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:19:06 -0700
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape (Explained)


uumm.
have a beer and ask questions...
That's my prejob brief.

Bob Rentfro


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> Good to hear we could help and of course you're welcome. I admit to a 
> certain amount of frusstration when I work on my 280. There were a few 
> times I got desperate and wanted to find the Q&E way out. Thats when its 
> time to stop, think and have a beer... and then to ask questions. works 
> every time
>
> Harry
> 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
> 72 350SL   108,000 Miles
> 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
> 1999 Mazda Miata
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Ingram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: New MBZ List 
> Sent: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 00:36:20 -0400
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape (Explained)
>
>
> Mike, Levi, Dave, Marshall, Tom, Rich, Jeff, and Harry-
> Thank you all for your very good replies to my question about
> teflon tape.  The fuel leak is at the fuel filter center bolt (hollow
> bolt) that holds the large fuel filter on.  The little "O" ring on
> this bolt is causing the problem.   Since I just switched engines and
> the old engine is still sitting there I looked at the bolt on that
> housing and discovered that it was slightly different and had two "O"
> rings.   This would work fine since it never leaked on that engine,
> however, It won't fit in the other housing.  I would switch the whole
> housing but one of the 6mm hex bolts holding the housing in place on
> the engine in the car is stripped (by me), the 6mm hex is now a 6.5mm
> round hole.   I could switch the brace that holds the power steering
> pump and the fuel filter housing etc., but it would be much easier if
> I could get that bolt out.  Does anyone know how to get that stripped
> bolt out?
>  My short answer is that I am so glad to have this car running
> again (running very well) that I just want to drive It  and was
> trying to find an easy fix.  I will not use teflon tape because of
> the risks you all pointed out.  I will look it over again tomorrow.
> I will also get a new "O" ring although I can see that this is a weak
> spot that was fixed in the slightly later engines.
> Thank you,
> John Ingram
> 83 240D 234K
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape (Explained)

2006-07-07 Thread mykd1
Good to hear we could help and of course you're welcome. I admit to a certain 
amount of frusstration when I work on my 280. There were a few times I got 
desperate and wanted to find the Q&E way out. Thats when its time to stop, 
think and have a beer... and then to ask questions. works every time 
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
-Original Message-
From: John Ingram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 00:36:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape (Explained)


Mike, Levi, Dave, Marshall, Tom, Rich, Jeff, and Harry-
 Thank you all for your very good replies to my question about  
teflon tape.  The fuel leak is at the fuel filter center bolt (hollow  
bolt) that holds the large fuel filter on.  The little "O" ring on  
this bolt is causing the problem.   Since I just switched engines and  
the old engine is still sitting there I looked at the bolt on that  
housing and discovered that it was slightly different and had two "O"  
rings.   This would work fine since it never leaked on that engine,  
however, It won't fit in the other housing.  I would switch the whole  
housing but one of the 6mm hex bolts holding the housing in place on  
the engine in the car is stripped (by me), the 6mm hex is now a 6.5mm  
round hole.   I could switch the brace that holds the power steering  
pump and the fuel filter housing etc., but it would be much easier if  
I could get that bolt out.  Does anyone know how to get that stripped  
bolt out?
  My short answer is that I am so glad to have this car running  
again (running very well) that I just want to drive It  and was  
trying to find an easy fix.  I will not use teflon tape because of  
the risks you all pointed out.  I will look it over again tomorrow.   
I will also get a new "O" ring although I can see that this is a weak  
spot that was fixed in the slightly later engines.
Thank you,
John Ingram
83 240D 234K


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Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape (Update)

2006-07-07 Thread John Ingram

(fuel filter  center bolt and housing)
   I talked to the local mechanic who has a stash of old MBZ Diesel  
parts in the form of about a dozen junk diesel cars in his back lot.   
He said he had some parts but encouraged me to try and get that  
stripped allen bolt out and switch the parts I had.  I thought I  
might have to drill the top of the bolt off but I started by  
hammering and chiseling.  I managed to get the bolt out without  
drilling (I never thought it would work)  I then switched the housing  
with the one from my other engine.  I started it up and no leak!   I  
will take it for a test drive later today but I don't expect any  
problems.
 I'm glad you all talked me out of the teflon fix.  I  
unfortunately lapse into my hack mechanic skills when I am running  
short of patience and/or time.

Thank you all for your help

John Ingram
83 240D



Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape (Explained)

2006-07-07 Thread Levi Smith

OK, yeah, I would definitely NOT use teflon on the bolt that threads into
the fuel filter.  That's just asking for something to get lodged somewhere
it shouldn't and with the O-ring at the top, I don't think it would have any
effect anyway.  But you seem to already understand that.  (:

I guess I'm not sure what the problem is...  Is it just a leaky O-ring?
Can't you just get one at the auto-parts store?  Or is there something wrong
with the bolt itself?  I never quite understood the workings of the hollow
bolt, but I know my greasecar kit came with a solid replacement, so it would
seem that would be another cheap option...

As for the stripped bolt on the other engine that holds the housing...  I'm
again not exactly sure what you've got...  Is the head of the bolt
stripped?  Meaning you just have a rounded lump of metal with nothing to get
a wrench to grab on to?  In that case it could be a real pain...  You could
try vice-grips set REAL tight, or there are other "bolt-out" tools/kits like
from Sears that are made to try to grip it and get it out.  The other option
would be to grind it off.  THat would get your assembly off.  But then you'd
have to get the bolt out later if you ever wanted to re-use that engine.
Hopefully there would be enough left to get a grip on...
If it's in some other way "stripped" I'm not sure I see how it's still
holding the assembly on...

Levi

On 7/7/06, John Ingram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Mike, Levi, Dave, Marshall, Tom, Rich, Jeff, and Harry-
 Thank you all for your very good replies to my question about
teflon tape.  The fuel leak is at the fuel filter center bolt (hollow
bolt) that holds the large fuel filter on.  The little "O" ring on
this bolt is causing the problem.   Since I just switched engines and
the old engine is still sitting there I looked at the bolt on that
housing and discovered that it was slightly different and had two "O"
rings.   This would work fine since it never leaked on that engine,
however, It won't fit in the other housing.  I would switch the whole
housing but one of the 6mm hex bolts holding the housing in place on
the engine in the car is stripped (by me), the 6mm hex is now a 6.5mm
round hole.   I could switch the brace that holds the power steering
pump and the fuel filter housing etc., but it would be much easier if
I could get that bolt out.  Does anyone know how to get that stripped
bolt out?
  My short answer is that I am so glad to have this car running
again (running very well) that I just want to drive It  and was
trying to find an easy fix.  I will not use teflon tape because of
the risks you all pointed out.  I will look it over again tomorrow.
I will also get a new "O" ring although I can see that this is a weak
spot that was fixed in the slightly later engines.
Thank you,
John Ingram
83 240D 234K


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Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape (Explained)

2006-07-07 Thread John Ingram

Mike, Levi, Dave, Marshall, Tom, Rich, Jeff, and Harry-
Thank you all for your very good replies to my question about  
teflon tape.  The fuel leak is at the fuel filter center bolt (hollow  
bolt) that holds the large fuel filter on.  The little "O" ring on  
this bolt is causing the problem.   Since I just switched engines and  
the old engine is still sitting there I looked at the bolt on that  
housing and discovered that it was slightly different and had two "O"  
rings.   This would work fine since it never leaked on that engine,  
however, It won't fit in the other housing.  I would switch the whole  
housing but one of the 6mm hex bolts holding the housing in place on  
the engine in the car is stripped (by me), the 6mm hex is now a 6.5mm  
round hole.   I could switch the brace that holds the power steering  
pump and the fuel filter housing etc., but it would be much easier if  
I could get that bolt out.  Does anyone know how to get that stripped  
bolt out?
 My short answer is that I am so glad to have this car running  
again (running very well) that I just want to drive It  and was  
trying to find an easy fix.  I will not use teflon tape because of  
the risks you all pointed out.  I will look it over again tomorrow.   
I will also get a new "O" ring although I can see that this is a weak  
spot that was fixed in the slightly later engines.

Thank you,
John Ingram
83 240D 234K




Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape

2006-07-07 Thread mykd1
It wasn't actually meant to blast John with a big no, more like nudge to try 
other options before resorting to using something not necessarily meant to seal 
fuel lines. So to refrase that statement I would suggest try it before you 
trust it in a fix. Don't make it permanent and repair the offending leak as 
soon as possible.  
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:01:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape


I have to agree with Marshall on this one.  There is NO place in ANY fuel 
system for teflon tape.  A proper fitting connection will not be sealing on 
the threads where the tape does it's job.

Mike
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Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape


>I see the TV car show guys (some of them even very smart progressive
> Canadians who adhere to international conventions) who use teflon tape
> on fittings for fuel and nitrous and whatever other evil fluids they
> use.  It is fairly heat and chemical resistant.  The only concern is
> that you make sure none of the little bits (or goop drops if you use the
> paste stuff) get in the line as it will plug up small passages -- the
> tape does tend to tear when you tighten a fitting as it does its job.
> That said, I'm not sure a tight fitting needs it, but can't see the harm.
>
> Draw a three-pointed thingie on the dispenser and add 12 or 14 numbers,
> that might make it more Benzish.
>
> --R
>
> Tom Hargrave wrote:
>
>>Marshall,
>>
>>Although I fundamentally agree with you, I'd also argue that newer & 
>>better
>>technology has its place in older Mercedes. If this were not true then why
>>would we be sold on Mobil-1 oil? For that matter, you can't even purchase
>>the grades of tires, brakes, fuel & oil that were being sold in the early
>>70's (thank God, oops, goodness).
>>
>>I think it's more than fair to try to understand what the tape is to be 
>>used
>>for before blasting John with "NO!!!".
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Tom Hargrave
>>256-656-1924
>>www.kegkits.com
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marshall Booth
>>Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 2:57 PM
>>To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape
>>
>>
>>John Ingram wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I am trying to fix a fuel system leak and would like to try teflon
>>>tape.  Will diesel fuel dissolve teflon tape?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>There is NO location in the fuel system of a Mercedes diesel where
>>Teflon tape is appropriate! If you have a leak you need to replace the
>>parts that are permitting the leak. There was NO Teflon tape in the
>>system as designed.
>>
>>Marshall
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>>190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
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Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape

2006-07-07 Thread Mike Canfield
I have to agree with Marshall on this one.  There is NO place in ANY fuel 
system for teflon tape.  A proper fitting connection will not be sealing on 
the threads where the tape does it's job.


Mike
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Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape



I see the TV car show guys (some of them even very smart progressive
Canadians who adhere to international conventions) who use teflon tape
on fittings for fuel and nitrous and whatever other evil fluids they
use.  It is fairly heat and chemical resistant.  The only concern is
that you make sure none of the little bits (or goop drops if you use the
paste stuff) get in the line as it will plug up small passages -- the
tape does tend to tear when you tighten a fitting as it does its job.
That said, I'm not sure a tight fitting needs it, but can't see the harm.

Draw a three-pointed thingie on the dispenser and add 12 or 14 numbers,
that might make it more Benzish.

--R

Tom Hargrave wrote:


Marshall,

Although I fundamentally agree with you, I'd also argue that newer & 
better

technology has its place in older Mercedes. If this were not true then why
would we be sold on Mobil-1 oil? For that matter, you can't even purchase
the grades of tires, brakes, fuel & oil that were being sold in the early
70's (thank God, oops, goodness).

I think it's more than fair to try to understand what the tape is to be 
used

for before blasting John with "NO!!!".

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marshall Booth
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 2:57 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape


John Ingram wrote:



I am trying to fix a fuel system leak and would like to try teflon
tape.  Will diesel fuel dissolve teflon tape?




There is NO location in the fuel system of a Mercedes diesel where
Teflon tape is appropriate! If you have a leak you need to replace the
parts that are permitting the leak. There was NO Teflon tape in the
system as designed.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape

2006-07-06 Thread Peter Frederick
Probably not, but teflon tape will also probably not fix the leak.  
Leaking fittings require replacement, they are never tapered pipe 
fittings.


Peter




Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape

2006-07-06 Thread mykd1
I wouldn't recommend using teflon tape on any part of the fuel system. Just one 
little piece gets into the system could clog your injectors. Simple rule of 
thumb and safety when it concerns your fuel system, if it leaks replace the 
damaged part, fuel lines are made in such a way that they have self sealing 
connections. If its leaking no amount of doctoring up will fix it and 
eventually it will leak again.
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
-Original Message-
From: John Ingram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: New MBZ List 
Sent: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 13:36:07 -0400
Subject: [MBZ] Teflon Tape


I am trying to fix a fuel system leak and would like to try teflon  
tape.  Will diesel fuel dissolve teflon tape?
Thanks,
John Ingram
83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape

2006-07-06 Thread Jeff Zedic
I always thought the purpose of using NPT was that it sealed 
itself...are the automotive connections NOT using NPT?


Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD



Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape

2006-07-06 Thread Rich Thomas
I see the TV car show guys (some of them even very smart progressive 
Canadians who adhere to international conventions) who use teflon tape 
on fittings for fuel and nitrous and whatever other evil fluids they 
use.  It is fairly heat and chemical resistant.  The only concern is 
that you make sure none of the little bits (or goop drops if you use the 
paste stuff) get in the line as it will plug up small passages -- the 
tape does tend to tear when you tighten a fitting as it does its job.  
That said, I'm not sure a tight fitting needs it, but can't see the harm.


Draw a three-pointed thingie on the dispenser and add 12 or 14 numbers, 
that might make it more Benzish.


--R

Tom Hargrave wrote:


Marshall,

Although I fundamentally agree with you, I'd also argue that newer & better
technology has its place in older Mercedes. If this were not true then why
would we be sold on Mobil-1 oil? For that matter, you can't even purchase
the grades of tires, brakes, fuel & oil that were being sold in the early
70's (thank God, oops, goodness).

I think it's more than fair to try to understand what the tape is to be used
for before blasting John with "NO!!!".

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marshall Booth
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 2:57 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape


John Ingram wrote:
 


I am trying to fix a fuel system leak and would like to try teflon
tape.  Will diesel fuel dissolve teflon tape?
   



There is NO location in the fuel system of a Mercedes diesel where
Teflon tape is appropriate! If you have a leak you need to replace the
parts that are permitting the leak. There was NO Teflon tape in the
system as designed.

Marshall
--
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Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape

2006-07-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
Marshall,

Although I fundamentally agree with you, I'd also argue that newer & better
technology has its place in older Mercedes. If this were not true then why
would we be sold on Mobil-1 oil? For that matter, you can't even purchase
the grades of tires, brakes, fuel & oil that were being sold in the early
70's (thank God, oops, goodness).

I think it's more than fair to try to understand what the tape is to be used
for before blasting John with "NO!!!".

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marshall Booth
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 2:57 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape


John Ingram wrote:
> I am trying to fix a fuel system leak and would like to try teflon
> tape.  Will diesel fuel dissolve teflon tape?

There is NO location in the fuel system of a Mercedes diesel where
Teflon tape is appropriate! If you have a leak you need to replace the
parts that are permitting the leak. There was NO Teflon tape in the
system as designed.

Marshall
--
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   "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

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Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape

2006-07-06 Thread Marshall Booth

John Ingram wrote:
I am trying to fix a fuel system leak and would like to try teflon  
tape.  Will diesel fuel dissolve teflon tape?


There is NO location in the fuel system of a Mercedes diesel where 
Teflon tape is appropriate! If you have a leak you need to replace the 
parts that are permitting the leak. There was NO Teflon tape in the 
system as designed.


Marshall
--
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)




Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape

2006-07-06 Thread Dave Wakin
I am pretty sure you don't want to use Teflon tape if it is near a heat 
source.


Dave W

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I am trying to fix a fuel system leak and would like to try teflon
tape.  Will diesel fuel dissolve teflon tape?
Thanks,
John Ingram
83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape

2006-07-06 Thread Levi Smith

Hmm...  I remember using some on some of my connections.  Perhaps they
weren't thread sealing, but it seems like there were two different types...
I might have used it on the fittings on the greasecar solenoids or maybe the
fittings into the lift pump...
Anyway, I used it there and I *think* it's still there so I'd say it's ok,
just be sure to not get it in where it will get sucked into the IP or an
injector!  (:

Levi

On 7/6/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I don't think diesel will bother the tape but what kind of a fuel line or
fitting requires the threads to do the sealing?  Usually there is a seat
or
a gasket of some sort right?

Mike
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Subject: [MBZ] Teflon Tape


>I am trying to fix a fuel system leak and would like to try teflon
> tape.  Will diesel fuel dissolve teflon tape?
> Thanks,
> John Ingram
> 83 240D
>
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Re: [MBZ] Teflon Tape

2006-07-06 Thread Mike Canfield
I don't think diesel will bother the tape but what kind of a fuel line or 
fitting requires the threads to do the sealing?  Usually there is a seat or 
a gasket of some sort right?


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "John Ingram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "New MBZ List" 
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 1:36 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Teflon Tape



I am trying to fix a fuel system leak and would like to try teflon
tape.  Will diesel fuel dissolve teflon tape?
Thanks,
John Ingram
83 240D

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