Re: [MBZ] no Ingles, some details

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> In recent decades the authorized weapons went to DA only to decrease the
> possibility of accidental discharge and subsequent liability. Thanks
> lawyers!


You are thus required to use a weapon with which it is harder to hit your
intended target!  Yeah, GOD idea.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] no Ingles, some details

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Under Federal gun laws possession of a firearm (even a single bullet) by a 
felon is up to 15 years.  It doesn’t matter how it came into the felon's 
possession.

> -Original Message-
> From: Larry  Turner via Mercedes
> 
> and regardless of what rights he was given once the DOJ and various lawyers
> tried to foist upon him, being a Felon makes it very illegal for him to
> "have access to..." firearms.
> LarryT
> 


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Re: [MBZ] no Ingles, some details

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Mitch wrote:
> Allowing for the fact that he's a 7 time felon trying to avoid getting a life 
> sentence, and probably lying through his teeth anyway...

Doesn't this begin to look like a party to the narcocracy?  Not unlike
the Clinton affairs.  The gov't has always been in the biz of pushing
crime whether it be prohibition, now war on drugs - it is all
narcocracy.  How can you - yes, you - get away from one felony much
less 7 felonies and roam the street?  Hence, narcocracy participant or
shill.  This wreaks of false flag narcocracy.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] no Ingles, some details

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

and regardless of what rights he was given once the DOJ and various lawyers tried to 
foist upon him, being a Felon makes it very illegal for him to "have access 
to..." firearms.
LarryT


On 12/3/2017 8:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On December 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
 wrote:


2. The weapon was a Sig P239, which is available in several calibers and 3 flavors: 
DA/SA, DAO, and "DAK trigger system developed for law enforcement" I believe 
the DAK Sig is the one my son owns, a twin for his USCG duty weapon. It has a 6.5 lb. 
long trigger pull, hardly a hair-trigger which could be readily discharged by accident.

Allowing for the fact that he's a 7 time felon trying to avoid getting a life 
sentence, and probably lying through his teeth anyway, I think his original 
story was the closest to the truth we'll ever get out of him, far more truthful 
than the story his lawyer gave him later. The original story was he was 
shooting, but not shooting at her specifically. It might even be true.

As for the claim that he didn't seek out unlawful possession of a stolen pistol 
and just found it in a paper bag: And donkeys fly, too.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] no Ingles, some details

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 2. The weapon was a Sig P239, which is available in several calibers and 3 
> flavors: DA/SA, DAO, and "DAK trigger system developed for law enforcement" I 
> believe the DAK Sig is the one my son owns, a twin for his USCG duty weapon. 
> It has a 6.5 lb. long trigger pull, hardly a hair-trigger which could be 
> readily discharged by accident.

Allowing for the fact that he's a 7 time felon trying to avoid getting a life 
sentence, and probably lying through his teeth anyway, I think his original 
story was the closest to the truth we'll ever get out of him, far more truthful 
than the story his lawyer gave him later. The original story was he was 
shooting, but not shooting at her specifically. It might even be true. 

As for the claim that he didn't seek out unlawful possession of a stolen pistol 
and just found it in a paper bag: And donkeys fly, too. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] no Ingles, some details

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I've not heard of that one, but then I don't watch much tv.


Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
December 2, 2017 at 10:59 PM
Enough. Take this to CSI genius

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4matic
Wickford RI



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Re: [MBZ] no Ingles, some details

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Enough. Take this to CSI genius

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4matic
Wickford RI

On Dec 2, 2017 11:23 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Does #1 relieve the scumbag of responsibility for his actions?
>
> Good info Greg.  Thanks for your perspective.
>
>> Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>> December 2, 2017 at 4:21 PM
>> 1. Apparently the prosecution conducted some forensic analysis on the
>> recovered bullet as well as the pier concrete, and found evidence that the
>> bullet that killed Kate had indeed ricocheted off the pier.
>>
>> 2. The weapon was a Sig P239, which is available in several calibers and
>> 3 flavors: DA/SA, DAO, and "DAK trigger system developed for law
>> enforcement" I believe the DAK Sig is the one my son owns, a twin for his
>> USCG duty weapon. It has a 6.5 lb. long trigger pull, hardly a hair-trigger
>> which could be readily discharged by accident.
>>
>> 3. It is likely that as a federal LEO, the agent had authorization to
>> carry either his issued duty weapon or a personally owned firearm. I have
>> had 6 different personally owned handguns over the years with written
>> authorizations for on and off duty carry. I am sure none would have been
>> allowed with a lighter than original trigger pull. The last was a DAO H
>> In recent decades the authorized weapons went to DA only to decrease the
>> possibility of accidental discharge and subsequent liability. Thanks
>> lawyers!
>>
>> Greg
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] no Ingles, some details

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Does #1 relieve the scumbag of responsibility for his actions?

Good info Greg.  Thanks for your perspective.

Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
December 2, 2017 at 4:21 PM
1. Apparently the prosecution conducted some forensic analysis on the 
recovered bullet as well as the pier concrete, and found evidence that 
the bullet that killed Kate had indeed ricocheted off the pier.


2. The weapon was a Sig P239, which is available in several calibers 
and 3 flavors: DA/SA, DAO, and "DAK trigger system developed for law 
enforcement" I believe the DAK Sig is the one my son owns, a twin for 
his USCG duty weapon. It has a 6.5 lb. long trigger pull, hardly a 
hair-trigger which could be readily discharged by accident.


3. It is likely that as a federal LEO, the agent had authorization to 
carry either his issued duty weapon or a personally owned firearm. I 
have had 6 different personally owned handguns over the years with 
written authorizations for on and off duty carry. I am sure none would 
have been allowed with a lighter than original trigger pull. The last 
was a DAO H In recent decades the authorized weapons went to DA 
only to decrease the possibility of accidental discharge and 
subsequent liability. Thanks lawyers!


Greg


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Re: [MBZ] no Ingles, some details

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

1. Apparently the prosecution conducted some forensic analysis on the recovered 
bullet as well as the pier concrete, and found evidence that the bullet that 
killed Kate had indeed ricocheted off the pier.

2. The weapon was a Sig P239, which is available in several calibers and 3 
flavors: DA/SA, DAO, and "DAK trigger system developed for law enforcement" I 
believe the DAK Sig is the one my son owns, a twin for his USCG duty weapon. It 
has a 6.5 lb. long trigger pull, hardly a hair-trigger which could be readily 
discharged by accident.

3. It is likely that as a federal LEO, the agent had authorization to carry 
either his issued duty weapon or a personally owned firearm. I have had 6 
different personally owned handguns over the years with written authorizations 
for on and off duty carry. I am sure none would have been allowed with a 
lighter than original trigger pull. The last was a DAO H In recent decades 
the authorized weapons went to DA only to decrease the possibility of 
accidental discharge and subsequent liability. Thanks lawyers!

Greg

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 12:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] no Ingles

Interesting posit. Just where did you find this tidbit of fact. Since the 
Defense Lawyer made the claim "the gun had a hair trigger and he didn't intend 
to shoot her", but I find no information about a ricochet shot as being the 
killing wound.
Since the weapon was stolen from a police car, the likely owner was a 
policeman, No LEO's carry weapons with "hair triggers" because if there is a 
"shots fired" incident, the first claim by opposing lawyer representing the 
deceased criminal would be the cop used a weapon "reworked" to establish the 
cop is a "premeditated killer"... so NO police department armorer will set a 
trigger at less than 3 lb pull..

I do however find first person evidence by the young woman's' family members. 
who were with her at the murder, who stated the "alleged killer"
walked up to her and shot her, point blank.

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> His shot ricocheted off a pier so he acted recklessly but didn't 
> intend to shoot her.
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > no
> >
> > This scumbag (the criminal, not the judge) is a career criminal.
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >> December 1, 2017 at 10:24 AM
> >> Sort of like deranged American-born males going on a rampage, 
> >> shooting multiple victims?
> >>
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