Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding injectors
Thanks Barry. That was insightful. I also hear that Purple Power is good stuff:) did you have to adjust pop pressures with the shims? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2012, at 7:57 PM, "Barry Stark" wrote: Dimitry - I recently rebuilt the injectors on my '81 SD using the monarch nozzles. I am pretty happy with the results. While testing before I rebuilt the injectors I had one injector that was "peeing" a stream before it popped. I imagine that was causing a lot of my rough idle and excess black smoke. BTW to clean them I used some biodegradable cleaner that I had from a McParts store named Purple Power by Klean Rite. I cut it about 50% with water. Dismantled them and soaked the parts for about 30 minutes. They came pretty clean just scrubbed them with an old tooth brush. I had also purchased a brass round brush to rod out the interior surfaces of the holder but not sure that was even necessary. After scrubbing with the tooth brush I rinsed the parts off with a sprayer on the garden hose, blew them dry with compressed air then coated right away with a thick coat of WD-40 to prevent rusting. I then lapped the various surfaces as required followed by a final clean and more WD-40.Good luck on your project. Barry I went ahead and ordered the Mercedesource Monarch injector nozzles with rebuild kit and tester. I was going to get rebuilds from Rusty but decided that I was interested in learning about this whole rebuild process instead:) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding injectors
Dimitry - I recently rebuilt the injectors on my '81 SD using the monarch nozzles. I am pretty happy with the results. While testing before I rebuilt the injectors I had one injector that was "peeing" a stream before it popped. I imagine that was causing a lot of my rough idle and excess black smoke. BTW to clean them I used some biodegradable cleaner that I had from a McParts store named Purple Power by Klean Rite. I cut it about 50% with water. Dismantled them and soaked the parts for about 30 minutes. They came pretty clean just scrubbed them with an old tooth brush. I had also purchased a brass round brush to rod out the interior surfaces of the holder but not sure that was even necessary. After scrubbing with the tooth brush I rinsed the parts off with a sprayer on the garden hose, blew them dry with compressed air then coated right away with a thick coat of WD-40 to prevent rusting. I then lapped the various surfaces as required followed by a final clean and more WD-40.Good luck on your project. Barry > I went ahead and ordered the Mercedesource Monarch injector nozzles > with rebuild kit and tester. I was going to get rebuilds from Rusty but > decided that I was interested in learning about this whole rebuild > process instead:) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding injectors
Should be. Depends on pop pressure. I have a few sets, but the pop pressures are not the same. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Sep 2, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > Anyone? Are the W115 220D injector bodies interchangeable with the W123 240D? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > > I went ahead and ordered the Mercedesource Monarch injector nozzles with > rebuild kit and tester. I was going to get rebuilds from Rusty but decided > that I was interested in learning about this whole rebuild process instead:) > One of the downfalls is that I will have to keep my car out of comission for > a while. I'm not particularly thrilled about this option as my 240D is my > daily driver. > I have a set of 220D injectors that may have been rebuilt twenty yrs ago and > never used. I don't trust them but was considering rebuilding them with the > Monarch injector nozzles for the 240D. My question is: > Are the injectors on the 220D the same as on the 240D? Are all the > parts-barring the nozzles identical? If so, I can rebuild those and not have > my car out of comission. > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding injectors
Sorry, I think I mis-spoke. I meant that I think the nozzle HOLDERS are interchangeable. The nozzle itself is engine type specific. I was suggesting that while the 220 nozzle HOLDERS may work in your OM616, it may be simpler just to clean the original holders, and install the new Monark nozzles in the original holders. Especially if you think the 220D nozzles may be new. Sell them to someone else with a 220D. There are a few around. Thanks, I'll check the part no. on the 220D ones. Since the nozzles look new they must have been rebuilt. I'll run them through the pop tester and see how they perform and possibly just use in my 240D. Do you know if pop pressur is the same? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: Look for Bosch part #s and interchange numbers. I believe they are interchangeable on all iron heads Om621, 615, 616 and 617. I put 220D or 240D holders on my OM621s to eliminate the banjo fittings and hard return line. That was 30 years ago, so I am not sure what they came off of. I ordered them from a place in CO. Pull one of your nozzles and compare. That said, it should not take more than 4-6 hours to pull your nozzles, swap nozzes, test and calibrate and then reinstall. Make sure you have new injector seals. Be sure to keep everything cleaner than your doctor's surgery. If you can dedicate a day, just do it. Anyone? Are the W115 220D injector bodies interchangeable with the W123 240D? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I went ahead and ordered the Mercedesource Monarch injector nozzles with rebuild kit and tester. I was going to get rebuilds from Rusty but decided that I was interested in learning about this whole rebuild process instead:) One of the downfalls is that I will have to keep my car out of comission for a while. I'm not particularly thrilled about this option as my 240D is my daily driver. I have a set of 220D injectors that may have been rebuilt twenty yrs ago and never used. I don't trust them but was considering rebuilding them with the Monarch injector nozzles for the 240D. My question is: Are the injectors on the 220D the same as on the 240D? Are all the parts-barring the nozzles identical? If so, I can rebuild those and not have my car out of comission. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding injectors
You forgot to put "disassemble and clean" between "pull your injectors and swap nozzles". Rick Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2012, at 12:36 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > That said, it should not take more than 4-6 hours to pull your nozzles, swap nozzes, test and calibrate and then reinstall. Yassir! it was not intended to be step by step... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding injectors
Thanks, I'll check the part no. on the 220D ones. Since the nozzles look new they must have been rebuilt. I'll run them through the pop tester and see how they perform and possibly just use in my 240D. Do you know if pop pressur is the same? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: Look for Bosch part #s and interchange numbers. I believe they are interchangeable on all iron heads Om621, 615, 616 and 617. I put 220D or 240D holders on my OM621s to eliminate the banjo fittings and hard return line. That was 30 years ago, so I am not sure what they came off of. I ordered them from a place in CO. Pull one of your nozzles and compare. That said, it should not take more than 4-6 hours to pull your nozzles, swap nozzes, test and calibrate and then reinstall. Make sure you have new injector seals. Be sure to keep everything cleaner than your doctor's surgery. If you can dedicate a day, just do it. Anyone? Are the W115 220D injector bodies interchangeable with the W123 240D? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I went ahead and ordered the Mercedesource Monarch injector nozzles with rebuild kit and tester. I was going to get rebuilds from Rusty but decided that I was interested in learning about this whole rebuild process instead:) One of the downfalls is that I will have to keep my car out of comission for a while. I'm not particularly thrilled about this option as my 240D is my daily driver. I have a set of 220D injectors that may have been rebuilt twenty yrs ago and never used. I don't trust them but was considering rebuilding them with the Monarch injector nozzles for the 240D. My question is: Are the injectors on the 220D the same as on the 240D? Are all the parts-barring the nozzles identical? If so, I can rebuild those and not have my car out of comission. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding injectors
You forgot to put "disassemble and clean" between "pull your injectors and swap nozzles". Rick Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2012, at 12:36 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > That said, it should not take more than 4-6 hours to pull your nozzles, swap > nozzes, test and calibrate and then reinstall. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding injectors
Look for Bosch part #s and interchange numbers. I believe they are interchangeable on all iron heads Om621, 615, 616 and 617. I put 220D or 240D holders on my OM621s to eliminate the banjo fittings and hard return line. That was 30 years ago, so I am not sure what they came off of. I ordered them from a place in CO. Pull one of your nozzles and compare. That said, it should not take more than 4-6 hours to pull your nozzles, swap nozzes, test and calibrate and then reinstall. Make sure you have new injector seals. Be sure to keep everything cleaner than your doctor's surgery. If you can dedicate a day, just do it. Anyone? Are the W115 220D injector bodies interchangeable with the W123 240D? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I went ahead and ordered the Mercedesource Monarch injector nozzles with rebuild kit and tester. I was going to get rebuilds from Rusty but decided that I was interested in learning about this whole rebuild process instead:) One of the downfalls is that I will have to keep my car out of comission for a while. I'm not particularly thrilled about this option as my 240D is my daily driver. I have a set of 220D injectors that may have been rebuilt twenty yrs ago and never used. I don't trust them but was considering rebuilding them with the Monarch injector nozzles for the 240D. My question is: Are the injectors on the 220D the same as on the 240D? Are all the parts-barring the nozzles identical? If so, I can rebuild those and not have my car out of comission. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding injectors
Anyone? Are the W115 220D injector bodies interchangeable with the W123 240D? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I went ahead and ordered the Mercedesource Monarch injector nozzles with rebuild kit and tester. I was going to get rebuilds from Rusty but decided that I was interested in learning about this whole rebuild process instead:) One of the downfalls is that I will have to keep my car out of comission for a while. I'm not particularly thrilled about this option as my 240D is my daily driver. I have a set of 220D injectors that may have been rebuilt twenty yrs ago and never used. I don't trust them but was considering rebuilding them with the Monarch injector nozzles for the 240D. My question is: Are the injectors on the 220D the same as on the 240D? Are all the parts-barring the nozzles identical? If so, I can rebuild those and not have my car out of comission. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rebuilding injectors
Here's a kit with everything. http://mercedessource.com/node/6016 Also from the diesel giant site, they really seem to like the Bosio nozzles. http://dieselgiant.com/mercedesinjectornozzlereplace.htm On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 03:57 +, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: > You still haven't answered where the Monarch nozzle tips come from. ??? > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rebuilding injectors
I don't carry Monarch, none of the major wholesale warehouse do either. When we sold them we had a better than 50% return rate. Our Bosch tips are $27.00. I was just curious who would still handle them. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] rebuilding injectors OK, so how much do they cost from Der Ersatzteilmeister? I can tell you want someone to ask. So tell us what a deal you can give us! You still haven't answered where the Monarch nozzle tips come from. ??? Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: Rick Hawkins Java Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:42:33 To: Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] rebuilding injectors Folks someone asked what i'd charge to rebuild injectors i guess for listmembers, $20 each plus parts and return shipping i'd love to do some more new nozzles cost about $20 and shims cost about $1 this would be ultrasonic cleaning, assembling and adjusting pressures within 50 lbs and spray testing i can also build some out of your supplies used parts if you have a couple of sets of old ones 706 540-3285 if you want to discuss i'm a 1 pm to 3 am sort of operation thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rebuilding injectors
OK, so how much do they cost from Der Ersatzteilmeister? I can tell you want someone to ask. So tell us what a deal you can give us! You still haven't answered where the Monarch nozzle tips come from. ??? Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: Rick Hawkins Java Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:42:33 To: Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] rebuilding injectors Folks someone asked what i'd charge to rebuild injectors i guess for listmembers, $20 each plus parts and return shipping i'd love to do some more new nozzles cost about $20 and shims cost about $1 this would be ultrasonic cleaning, assembling and adjusting pressures within 50 lbs and spray testing i can also build some out of your supplies used parts if you have a couple of sets of old ones 706 540-3285 if you want to discuss i'm a 1 pm to 3 am sort of operation thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rebuilding injectors
You still haven't answered where the Monarch nozzle tips come from. ??? Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: Rick Hawkins Java Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:42:33 To: Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] rebuilding injectors Folks someone asked what i'd charge to rebuild injectors i guess for listmembers, $20 each plus parts and return shipping i'd love to do some more new nozzles cost about $20 and shims cost about $1 this would be ultrasonic cleaning, assembling and adjusting pressures within 50 lbs and spray testing i can also build some out of your supplies used parts if you have a couple of sets of old ones 706 540-3285 if you want to discuss i'm a 1 pm to 3 am sort of operation thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
