Re: [MBZ] Wiring Harness - was: The bug, I now longer have it.
Happy wife = happy life. -Rolf On 07/29/2010 06:04 PM, R A Bennell wrote: My wife had a 97 Mercury Sable that had no end of eletrical gremlins. It was the reason why we did not keep the car long. It was clean and had low mileage but it was driving her crazy so we traded it off and lost a bundle. We had a Toyota Avalon that was not much better and now a Honda Accord which she loves. I am thankful for that. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:21 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Wiring Harness - was: The bug, I now longer have it. A relative has a mid 90's VW product which has endemic electrical problems affecting engine and windows, which leads me to suspect that MB is not alone in suffering from self-destructing wiring harness problems. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The bug, I now longer have it. OK Don wrote: Crap - one more thing to worry about. I thought Marshall said that the Diesels didn't get that wiring till after the 124. Must have heard what I wanted to hear. Didn't we come to the conclusion that wiring harnesses put into production during a certain timeframe were affected? For instance, the 2.5 wiring harness went into production for the 1990 model year, which may have been too early for the self destruct feature, and the 24v turbo went into production for 1998, which I'm pretty sure was too late for the self destruct feature. They did not redesign existing harnesses simply to make them self-destructive. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wiring Harness - was: The bug, I now longer have it.
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: A relative has a mid 90's VW product which has endemic electrical problems affecting engine and windows, which leads me to suspect that MB is not alone in suffering from self-destructing wiring harness problems. German environmental laws? I haven't heard of this in domestic or Japanese vehicles of similar vintage. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wiring Harness - was: The bug, I now longer have it.
The biodegradable (self destruction) wiring was a Deutschland Gummit regulation. As such, it affects every auto made in Deutschland in those years. Thankfully they repealed the stupidity. (unlike some other gummits) A relative has a mid 90's VW product which has endemic electrical problems affecting engine and windows, which leads me to suspect that MB is not alone in suffering from self-destructing wiring harness problems. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The bug, I now longer have it. OK Don wrote: Crap - one more thing to worry about. I thought Marshall said that the Diesels didn't get that wiring till after the 124. Must have heard what I wanted to hear. Didn't we come to the conclusion that wiring harnesses put into production during a certain timeframe were affected? For instance, the 2.5 wiring harness went into production for the 1990 model year, which may have been too early for the self destruct feature, and the 24v turbo went into production for 1998, which I'm pretty sure was too late for the self destruct feature. They did not redesign existing harnesses simply to make them self-destructive. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wiring Harness - was: The bug, I now longer have it.
My wife had a 97 Mercury Sable that had no end of eletrical gremlins. It was the reason why we did not keep the car long. It was clean and had low mileage but it was driving her crazy so we traded it off and lost a bundle. We had a Toyota Avalon that was not much better and now a Honda Accord which she loves. I am thankful for that. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:21 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Wiring Harness - was: The bug, I now longer have it. A relative has a mid 90's VW product which has endemic electrical problems affecting engine and windows, which leads me to suspect that MB is not alone in suffering from self-destructing wiring harness problems. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The bug, I now longer have it. OK Don wrote: Crap - one more thing to worry about. I thought Marshall said that the Diesels didn't get that wiring till after the 124. Must have heard what I wanted to hear. Didn't we come to the conclusion that wiring harnesses put into production during a certain timeframe were affected? For instance, the 2.5 wiring harness went into production for the 1990 model year, which may have been too early for the self destruct feature, and the 24v turbo went into production for 1998, which I'm pretty sure was too late for the self destruct feature. They did not redesign existing harnesses simply to make them self-destructive. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wiring harness
Yes, it's just the wiring in the engine compartment that is subjected to high temperatures that goes. This means the engine wiring harness, the short piece of the wiring pigtail that comes out of the ETA (throttle body), and a short piece of a harness that goes through the firewall. Most people only replace the engine harness, and wrap the other pieces real good in black friction tape to try to hold things together. I haven't actually done the job myself, but have seen others in process. Doesn't look too bad as long as you are careful and mark all the connector ends as you remove them. Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 9/15/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the 124 with wiring harness problem, is it just the engine wiring harness that needs to be replaced? I suspect that is my issue with my 94 E420. Anybody replaced one before? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wiring harness
Im probably going to be doing it pretty soon. I was surprised the part is only $5xx from Rusty. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] wiring harness Yes, it's just the wiring in the engine compartment that is subjected to high temperatures that goes. This means the engine wiring harness, the short piece of the wiring pigtail that comes out of the ETA (throttle body), and a short piece of a harness that goes through the firewall. Most people only replace the engine harness, and wrap the other pieces real good in black friction tape to try to hold things together. I haven't actually done the job myself, but have seen others in process. Doesn't look too bad as long as you are careful and mark all the connector ends as you remove them. Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 9/15/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the 124 with wiring harness problem, is it just the engine wiring harness that needs to be replaced? I suspect that is my issue with my 94 E420. Anybody replaced one before? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wiring harness
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Re: [MBZ] **wiring harness on the W140 Diesel **
32 was the average over only the first 6,000 miles of ownership. That includes a tank at 28mpg when I was fighting with summer fuel when I first bought it, so there was alot of driving up and down my apartment complex street in 1st to get the fuel warmed up. Then another tank at 26mpg when my Indy was replacing seals in the IP. So more recent tanks are much closer to 38, my rough calculation of today's fillup is 37, It'll probably end up a little low, I put in a quart of motor oil as a tonic when the tank was nearly empty. I'll put it and the two before it into my spreadsheet tonight and see what that does to the average. I'm also blowing out ALOT of crud from the previous owner. I've had those instances where I left a huge smokescreen. Second oil change on my watch should be this weekend assuming the filter arrives in time. -Curt '85 190D Dory 241kmi Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:28:40 -0400 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] **wiring harness on the W140 Diesel ** To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: Is that all? I'd hoped for better since I'd been thinking of building one someday. My 240D would average around 28mpg but that was almost exclusively highway driving 80-90 miles a day. My 190D is averaging only a little better at around 32mpg but that includes so bad tanks while it was leaking fuel dragging the average down. I've only just gotten myself out of the habit of driving with the pedal to the floor which in most cases the 190D doesn't need. I'm also trying to decrease my average speed which should increase mileage. -Curt Is your 190D an automatic? 32 is really quite poor unless it all city driving. I ALWAYS drive my 190D 2.x s (5 spd or auto) with the pedal to the floor!! That make remarkably little difference. Highway speeds much above 60 will lower mileage, but on the highway my auto always did better than 35 and the 5 spds better than 38.. It took a year or more (20+kmi) after I switched to synthetic oil before they got there though! Had to blow out all the crud that was left from the previous owners I guess. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 22 14:09:14 2006 Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.3] helo=imo-m22.mail.aol.com) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FtPru-0001AN-50 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:09:14 + Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id s.50b.11bb3eb (32913) for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:09:01 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:09:01 EDT To: mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5314 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] A/C problem on 126 X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:09:14 - In a message dated 6/22/2006 6:21:47 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The air is not really getting warmer and I can still hear the blower motor running, but I am not getting good flow from the center vents. The symptom has not repeated itself in over a week. Perhaps it was just too hot and I was pushing it too hard. Donald, This is purely a vacuum storage problem, could even be normal if your time on the hill exceeds the volume of vacuum storage. Gas engines do not create much vacuum with the throttle open like you are likely to have it on the hill. The AC ducting default is defrost with no vacuum, so you will feel the air discharge moving to the defrost outlets. I think it is a two stage actuator so it may not shift 100% to defrost in the condition you describe. A small vacuum leak in the storage circuit could shorten your
Re: [MBZ] **wiring harness on the W140 Diesel **
PIddling about at low speed carbons things up pretty badly on a 601, and a full throttle run will blow out all the loose stuff, pretty spectacular if it's been a while. Most of it is probably loose soot in the exhaust. My personal tonic these days is some contaminated fuel I add a quart or so of per tank -- one of my colleague's wife filled her car up with diesel fuel a couple years ago, so he was stuck with the ten gallons or so of gasoline with diesel in it. Not enough to prevent the car from running (poorly!), and it burns in the lawn mowers, but not well (carbon fouls the plugs, smokes). A bit in a full tank of fuel and the 300D just purrs! Peter
Re: [MBZ] **wiring harness on the W140 Diesel **
Peter Frederick wrote: PIddling about at low speed carbons things up pretty badly on a 601, and a full throttle run will blow out all the loose stuff, pretty spectacular if it's been a while. Most of it is probably loose soot in the exhaust. My personal tonic these days is some contaminated fuel I add a quart or so of per tank -- one of my colleague's wife filled her car up with diesel fuel a couple years ago, so he was stuck with the ten gallons or so of gasoline with diesel in it. Not enough to prevent the car from running (poorly!), and it burns in the lawn mowers, but not well (carbon fouls the plugs, smokes). A bit in a full tank of fuel and the 300D just purrs! The one benefit of filling your diesel's tank with a few gallons of gasoline is that it sure cleans out the fuel system and injection pump!! Not good to do it often, but a shot every few years is likely to do some good and is unlikely to cause much harm. Personally, I prefer a qt of conventional 10W-30 oil. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] **wiring harness on the W140 Diesel **
Marshal: Motor oil is rather to have the solvent effect of gasoline, and I rather suspect the gas just makes the fuel easier to ignite (i.e. raises the Cetane index a bit). After all, we are talking a quart or less in a full 20 gal tank, and it's not all gasoline. I don't want to put more in, as Benz does not recommend adding gasoline to the tank in the 60x series. This may simply be that winter fuel isn't so hard to come by at the appropriate times of year or that additives are better, I don't know -- it is possible that a large amount of gasoline will damage the IP, something I definitely want to avoid! Peter
Re: [MBZ] **wiring harness on the W140 Diesel **
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:09:15 -0700 W. Lasher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can milk 30 MPG, but more realistic is 29 MPG on the road and between 22-25 in town. Plus the best and quietest ride in town :-) I can do maybe 25 in our '82 240D/3.0. Maybe I need to start looking at something newer. Craig
Re: [MBZ] **wiring harness on the W140 Diesel **
Curt Raymond wrote: Is that all? I'd hoped for better since I'd been thinking of building one someday. My 240D would average around 28mpg but that was almost exclusively highway driving 80-90 miles a day. My 190D is averaging only a little better at around 32mpg but that includes so bad tanks while it was leaking fuel dragging the average down. I've only just gotten myself out of the habit of driving with the pedal to the floor which in most cases the 190D doesn't need. I'm also trying to decrease my average speed which should increase mileage. -Curt Is your 190D an automatic? 32 is really quite poor unless it all city driving. I ALWAYS drive my 190D 2.x s (5 spd or auto) with the pedal to the floor!! That make remarkably little difference. Highway speeds much above 60 will lower mileage, but on the highway my auto always did better than 35 and the 5 spds better than 38.. It took a year or more (20+kmi) after I switched to synthetic oil before they got there though! Had to blow out all the crud that was left from the previous owners I guess. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
