Re: Opening windows behind

[andu]

>It's been a while since I've been able to play with GNOME (my lil' HP died,
>and I haven't had a lot of client-driven need to spend the time to replace
>it):  How are these issues commonly handled in GNOME?  Do they differ much
>with WINE?

Wine handles everything like Windows including the cursors. 
>
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Re: Opening windows behind

[Richard Gaskin]

>> bar is detached from documents only as part of a parent MDI window.   We've
>> had to ship apps using MetaCard's apprach, and Windows users have slammed
>> us with comments like "looks like a Mac port".  If we had MDI, we'd really
>> have the same thing (all the way down to the compl
> 
> I never met a Windows user who gave a damn about user interface, other than a
> vague sense or expression of unease and confusion when things don't work as
> expected.  I have certainly *never* heard anyone complain (let alone "slam"
> anyone) about something that appeared to be a Mac port - maybe because this
> is a rare beast and/or implies familiarity with both UIs ?

He's a sociology researcher (he uses HyperRESEARCH, made with MetaCard as
listed at ), so he spends a lot of time
with his machine. :)

> I don't mean to be rude about Windows folks,  but they live in a complex
> world where an application often survives if it is basically functional and
> just about usable.  They tolerate windows slithering about in all sorts of
> unpredictable ways - whereas Mac users often get themselves into a froth if
> the thing just doesn't look 'right'.  How often have basically OK products
> got the snooty "un-Mac-like" thumbs down from the Mac  press?

There's a weird Gestalk with Windows -- it felt that way to me with Win3.1
(that version still does), but with Win95 they seem to have something that
has a certain consistent feel to it.  I still prefer Mac and GNOME, but in
fairness I have to say that now that developers are finally grokking the Win
UI, it can have a certain consistent flavor (more like yogurt than ice
cream, IMHO  -- no unhealthy but not as flavorful ).
 
> Richard.  What was their objection exactly?

It's the MDI issue -- and possibly a good topic for discussion here:  In
HyperRESEARCH, we have multiple windows working together to define the
workspace.  There is only one document open per se, but it makes use of
other files, each with their own display windows.

At first I tried to follow the Win HIG and adopted the "project" windowing
model (the HIG describes three, the other two being SDI and MDI), but having
the menus mounted on the tops of the windows didn't make a lot of sense for
what we were doing.

Our solution was to move the menu bar into its own window at the top of the
monitor, like MetaCard and QuickTime do, but in my experience those are the
only two apps that do that besides HyperRESEARCH.  While it works well
enough for our customers, and makes documentation a snap for a
cross-platform product like this, the best solution would be to have the
single, detached menu bar, but as part of an MDI parent window.

It's been a while since I've been able to play with GNOME (my lil' HP died,
and I haven't had a lot of client-driven need to spend the time to replace
it):  How are these issues commonly handled in GNOME?  Do they differ much
with WINE?

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Re: Opening windows behind

[DVGlasgow]

In a message dated 20/1/01 12:26:04 am, Richard Gaskin  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>bar is detached from documents only as part of a parent MDI window.   We've
>had to ship apps using MetaCard's apprach, and Windows users have slammed
>us
>with comments like "looks like a Mac port".  If we had MDI, we'd really
>have
>the same thing (all the way down to the compl

I never met a Windows user who gave a damn about user interface, other than a 
vague sense or expression of unease and confusion when things don't work as 
expected.  I have certainly *never* heard anyone complain (let alone "slam" 
anyone) about something that appeared to be a Mac port - maybe because this 
is a rare beast and/or implies familiarity with both UIs ?  

I don't mean to be rude about Windows folks,  but they live in a complex 
world where an application often survives if it is basically functional and 
just about usable.  They tolerate windows slithering about in all sorts of 
unpredictable ways - whereas Mac users often get themselves into a froth if 
the thing just doesn't look 'right'.  How often have basically OK products 
got the snooty "un-Mac-like" thumbs down from the Mac  press?

I meant this to be short post, but now I'm on a roll, and I'm reminded of a 
very competent and experienced VB programming mate who showed me Windows 95, 
thinking it would convert me (back) to developing using VB.  He showed me 
that funny, and fundamentally almost pointless, animation of the paper flying 
between folders and said "there you are, thats the sort of thing you get on 
Macs, isn't it?".

Now my sister in law, she works for Microsoft, and.I'm *way* off 
topic and going on far too long.  

Richard.  What was their objection exactly?

Best wishes to all,

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Re: Opening windows behind

[Scott Raney]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But moreover, aside from the clear benefits of designing apps for both Mac
> and Windows for the designer, the user benefits as well, esp. in contexts
> where it is likely the user will want to have multiple documents open, as in
> Word.  By having the documents share a common layer visually and
> behaviorally, the functional relationship between the documents (copy and
> paste between them, perform searches across documents, etc.) is strongly
> reinforced.
> 
> By contrast, with a MetaCard-based app it is possible to have two document
> windows which belong to the same process running in very different layers,
> with another process window in between them.  This is only true on Windows
> of course (Linux too?), as on Mac the unified layer is enforced by the OS.

There are exceptions to this "rule", of course, the Windows Desktop
Explorer (the Finder equivalent) being the most obvious of these.
Nevertheless, I certainly agree that support for MDI windows in
MetaCard is a high priority.  In fact, this was on the to-do list for
the next release, but unfortunately is one of the things that got
pushed back in order to get a release for OS X out in a timely manner.
Still, it shouldn't be an interminable wait before we get this
implemented.
  Regards,
Scott

PS: thanks to andu for the X-on-Darwin pointer (though the URL is
actually the clever contraction "darwinfo.org").  The package was
released exactly a month ago today, but I must have missed it in the
holiday rush.  I'll download it and have a stab at doing a port this
weekend ;-)

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Re: Opening windows behind

[Richard Gaskin]

>>> Hate to disagree but I only noticed the disadvantage of this Windows
>>> "feature". I have yet to hear the benefits.
>> 
>> This is one of the standard windowing models described in the Windows Human
>> Interface Guidelines because it allows document windows to be more closely
>> associated (both visually and behaviorally) with the application they belong
>> to.
> 
> Which doesn't necessarily makes that association intuitive or even necessary.
> Basically it obliges one to have one window opened  at time be able to use it,
> or have the main window take over the entire desktop. Doesn't mean that if
> it's in the books it must be right, does it?

In this case, that's true more often than not:  Much of Microsoft's HIG is
borrowed from Apple's, which, at the time it was written, was based on a lot
of great UI research (see "Tog on Interface" for some of the stories of
Apple's old UI lab, disbanded under Amelio and never reinstated by Jobs,
which is how we got to the beautiful but questionable Aqua). (And to be
fair, Microsoft does have the most well-funded UI research facility in the
world; sadly, many of their designs must be different from their findings
due to legal restrictrictions as part of the outcome of the Apple-Microsoft
suit.)

But even heuristically, the MDI bears merit as at least an option for
designers.  And remember, it's only one of three primary windowing schemes
described in the Win HIG, so there are choices.

Looking at the MDI, it doesn't require maximizing to cover the monitor any
more than a single-window UI.  In both cases there are times when you want
it mazimized, and times when you don't, and easy controls to toggle that.

But moreover, aside from the clear benefits of designing apps for both Mac
and Windows for the designer, the user benefits as well, esp. in contexts
where it is likely the user will want to have multiple documents open, as in
Word.  By having the documents share a common layer visually and
behaviorally, the functional relationship between the documents (copy and
paste between them, perform searches across documents, etc.) is strongly
reinforced.

By contrast, with a MetaCard-based app it is possible to have two document
windows which belong to the same process running in very different layers,
with another process window in between them.  This is only true on Windows
of course (Linux too?), as on Mac the unified layer is enforced by the OS.

In cases where an application may have document windows with very different
look and controls, it may be confusing to have them operating in different
layers, seeming as it would that they might belong to different active
processes.

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Re: Opening windows behind

[Richard Gaskin]

>>> For us MetaCard folks, if MC supported true MDI we'd be in cross-platform
>>> heaven, as the MDI behaves very similarly to Mac OS, with a single menu bar
>>> detached from document windows.
> 
> I don't quite get the reference, MC uses only one menubar right now,
> it does not get attached to each window.  And you would have to be
> directly responsible for doing this in your own stacks.  I seem to be
> missing the point here, I understand where you're going but not where
> you're coming from.

That MetaCard's development menu bar is detached in its own window is
exactly where I was coming from:  That may be acceptable in the UNIX world,
where published UI standards are as difficult to find as a liberal in George
W's cabinet, but it is outside the HIG for Windows.  In Windows, the menu
bar is detached from documents only as part of a parent MDI window.   We've
had to ship apps using MetaCard's apprach, and Windows users have slammed us
with comments like "looks like a Mac port".  If we had MDI, we'd really have
the same thing (all the way down to the complete disregard for Fitt's law so
inherent throughout Windows' legal-restricted UI), but it would come in a
form folks would be more accustomed to and would bring document windows into
the same associative layer.

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Re: Opening windows behind

[Simon Lord]

>  >This is one of the standard windowing models described in the Windows Human
>>Interface Guidelines because it allows document windows to be more closely
>>associated (both visually and behaviorally) with the application they belong
>  >to.

There's nothing Human about the Windows HIG, I'll let asktog.com 
explain the pro's and cons. ;^)

>  >For us MetaCard folks, if MC supported true MDI we'd be in cross-platform
>>heaven, as the MDI behaves very similarly to Mac OS, with a single menu bar
>  >detached from document windows.

I don't quite get the reference, MC uses only one menubar right now, 
it does not get attached to each window.  And you would have to be 
directly responsible for doing this in your own stacks.  I seem to be 
missing the point here, I understand where you're going but not where 
you're coming from.

>  >Without support for MDI, if your app has more than one window you need to
>>compromise the design.  You can make very Mac-looking apps, but your Windows
>  >apps will always seem at least a little UNIX-like.

I fully disagree, this Windows feature is nothing more than an utter 
hindrance to my productivity (I have an Intellistation for 3D 
real-time and beta testing of Discreet SW like Max etc).  The biggest 
problem is that many developers allow their palettes and dialogs to 
be drag beyond this *application border* window and I find myself 
shuffling windows and palettes around twice as much as I do on UNIX 
and Mac's.  It's complete insanity inside Windows, it's not even a 
standard.  MS uses it in their Office products but ignores it in 
their web apps (are all your IE pages grouped inside one large app 
window - no.  It's a complete free for all without any reasoning 
behind it (if you can't follow your own standards, and half of your 
developers make it work differently than expected then it's not a 
standard).

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RE: Opening windows behind

[Monte Goulding]

That's the educated reply I wish I could have come up with.

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>>> Many programs have support for nested windows. Often they can be docked
into
>>> the main window. This would be a great feature.
>> You mean like in Word. I agree this would be a fantastic feature.
>
> Hate to disagree but I only noticed the disadvantage of this Windows
> "feature". I have yet to hear the benefits.

This is one of the standard windowing models described in the Windows Human
Interface Guidelines because it allows document windows to be more closely
associated (both visually and behaviorally) with the application they belong
to.

For us MetaCard folks, if MC supported true MDI we'd be in cross-platform
heaven, as the MDI behaves very similarly to Mac OS, with a single menu bar
detached from document windows.

Without support for MDI, if your app has more than one window you need to
compromise the design.  You can make very Mac-looking apps, but your Windows
apps will always seem at least a little UNIX-like.

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Re: Opening windows behind

[andu]

>
 Many programs have support for nested windows. Often they can be docked into
 the main window. This would be a great feature.
>>> You mean like in Word. I agree this would be a fantastic feature.
>> 
>> Hate to disagree but I only noticed the disadvantage of this Windows
>> "feature". I have yet to hear the benefits.
>
>This is one of the standard windowing models described in the Windows Human
>Interface Guidelines because it allows document windows to be more closely
>associated (both visually and behaviorally) with the application they belong
>to.

Which doesn't necessarily makes that association intuitive or even necessary. Basically
it obliges one to have one window opened  at time be able to use it, or have the main
window take over the entire desktop. Doesn't mean that if it's in the books it must be
right, does it?

>
>For us MetaCard folks, if MC supported true MDI we'd be in cross-platform
>heaven, as the MDI behaves very similarly to Mac OS, with a single menu bar
>detached from document windows.
>
>Without support for MDI, if your app has more than one window you need to
>compromise the design.  You can make very Mac-looking apps, but your Windows
>apps will always seem at least a little UNIX-like.
>
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Re: Opening windows behind

[Richard Gaskin]

>>> Many programs have support for nested windows. Often they can be docked into
>>> the main window. This would be a great feature.
>> You mean like in Word. I agree this would be a fantastic feature.
> 
> Hate to disagree but I only noticed the disadvantage of this Windows
> "feature". I have yet to hear the benefits.

This is one of the standard windowing models described in the Windows Human
Interface Guidelines because it allows document windows to be more closely
associated (both visually and behaviorally) with the application they belong
to.

For us MetaCard folks, if MC supported true MDI we'd be in cross-platform
heaven, as the MDI behaves very similarly to Mac OS, with a single menu bar
detached from document windows.

Without support for MDI, if your app has more than one window you need to
compromise the design.  You can make very Mac-looking apps, but your Windows
apps will always seem at least a little UNIX-like.

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RE: Opening windows behind

[Monte Goulding]

Really this was just a thought, I didn't mean to panic everyone. If i really
thought it was important I'd be a visual basic programmer then wouldn't I.

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I have to agree.  Nested Windows drive me nuts.  This is probably
because I'm a Mac and UNIX user, the idea of a Window within a Window
simply defies User Interface logic.

If you want this then you can simulate it with groups very easily.

>  >
>>Monte Goulding wrote/ schreef:
>>
>>>  Many programs have support for nested windows. Often they can be
>>>docked into
>>>  the main window. This would be a great feature.
>>You mean like in Word. I agree this would be a fantastic feature.
>
>Hate to disagree but I only noticed the disadvantage of this Windows
>"feature". I have yet
>to hear the benefits.
>
>>
>>Regards,
>>Sjoerd
>
>
>Regards, Andu
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Re: Opening windows behind

[Simon Lord]

I have to agree.  Nested Windows drive me nuts.  This is probably 
because I'm a Mac and UNIX user, the idea of a Window within a Window 
simply defies User Interface logic.

If you want this then you can simulate it with groups very easily.

>  >
>>Monte Goulding wrote/ schreef:
>>
>>>  Many programs have support for nested windows. Often they can be 
>>>docked into
>>>  the main window. This would be a great feature.
>>You mean like in Word. I agree this would be a fantastic feature.
>
>Hate to disagree but I only noticed the disadvantage of this Windows 
>"feature". I have yet
>to hear the benefits.
>
>>
>>Regards,
>>Sjoerd
>
>
>Regards, Andu
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Re: Opening windows behind

[andu]

>
>Monte Goulding wrote/ schreef:
>
>> Many programs have support for nested windows. Often they can be docked into
>> the main window. This would be a great feature.
>You mean like in Word. I agree this would be a fantastic feature.

Hate to disagree but I only noticed the disadvantage of this Windows "feature". I have 
yet
to hear the benefits.

>
>Regards,
>Sjoerd


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Re: Opening windows behind

[Sjoerd Op 't Land]

Monte Goulding wrote/ schreef:

> Many programs have support for nested windows. Often they can be docked into
> the main window. This would be a great feature.
You mean like in Word. I agree this would be a fantastic feature.

Regards,
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RE: Opening windows behind

[Monte Goulding]

Many programs have support for nested windows. Often they can be docked into
the main window. This would be a great feature.

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Richard Gaskin wrote/ schreef:

> Is there a way to open a window behind all other open windows?
>
> I know this is usually bad design, but in this case it works well since we
> don't want to lose focus in the window which initiates this action.
Maybe there is a possibility: To have the first window paletted, en the
second toplevelled behind the first.

I must say I'm also searching for such a possibility, but...
> Thanks in advance -
Hope this helps,
Sjoerd


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Re: Opening windows behind

[Sjoerd Op 't Land]

Richard Gaskin wrote/ schreef:

> Is there a way to open a window behind all other open windows?
> 
> I know this is usually bad design, but in this case it works well since we
> don't want to lose focus in the window which initiates this action.
Maybe there is a possibility: To have the first window paletted, en the
second toplevelled behind the first.

I must say I'm also searching for such a possibility, but...
> Thanks in advance -
Hope this helps,
Sjoerd


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