[meteorite-list] Wow! Beautiful chondrules ...

2002-02-15 Thread Bernd Pauli HD

... in the MAPS 37-1, 2002 Jan. issue!

a) in an article by Jeff et al. (p. 52 and p. 58):

GROSSMAN J.N. et al. (2002) Zoned chondrules in Semar-
kona: Evidence for high- and low-temperature processing.
(MAPS 37-1, 2002, pp. 049-073)

b) in an article by A.N. Krot et al. (pp. 94-99):

KROT A.N. et al. (2002) Anorthite-rich chondrules in CR and CH
carbonaceous chondrites: Genetic link between calcium-aluminum-
rich inclusions and ferromagnesian chondrules.
(MAPS 37-1, 2002, pp. 091-111)

Cheers,

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[meteorite-list] Is This All Olivine

2002-02-15 Thread DiamondMeteor

Dear List;
I found few rocks that look all composed of Olivine,, and I have read before
that Olivine is rarely found in large sizes. I have measured its specific
gravity and found it to be around 3.3 (Olivine: 3.2), its hardness and also
its color is close to Olivine.
Some rocks have very thin fusion crust.
Please have a look,, and I would be delighted to hear your openion.
http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/olv.htm

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[meteorite-list] Homestead: Shock Stage

2002-02-15 Thread Bernd Pauli HD

On page 76 of their article*, the authors attribute a shock stage of S3
to Homestead and cite Rubin (1993) as their source of reference. In his
report, Alan Rubin gives a shock stage of S4 for the Homestead, H5
ordinary chondrite on page 95!

*GASTINEAU-LYONS H.K. et al. (2002) A critical evaluation of oxidation
versus reduction during metamorphism of L and LL group chondrites, and
implications for asteroid spectroscopy (MAPS 37-1, 2002, pp. 075-089).

Reference:

RUBIN A.E. (1994) Metallic copper in ordinary
chondrites (MAPS 29-1, 1994, pp. 93-98).


Best regards,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Other on Eagle Butte

2002-02-15 Thread MARK BOSTICK



The seller has tried to trade some with me.  I agreed telling him I do not 
think they are meteorites.  While I am in Mexico right now my brother has 
informed me the package arrived.  When I get home I plan to send them to 
someone that can do the proper testing.  According to the seller they came 
from the crater rim and all the land is privatly owned.  The land owners 
will not let anyone investigate the stones so give me a couple months and 
maybe I can provide more information.


Mark

From: Roman Jirasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Roman Jirasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Other on Eagle Butte
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:12:46 -0500

Hi Mike and list.

We are Canadians!  No one gives a $^*! about a new possible
Canadian find.  We are the only possible hope, to investigate,
or research these claims. I say, let's not sit on our Butts.

Best regards,
Roman Jirasek



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From: Tettenborn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Other on Eagle Butte


  It still begs the question
 
  What is he selling?  Are these, in fact, iron deposits found in and 
around
  this old crater.  If so are they meteorites?
 
  I doubt they are or they would have been classified a long time ago.
Still,
  I would like to know what he is selling.
 
  Mike Tettenborn
  Owen Sound, Ontario
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Roman Jirasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 6:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Other on Eagle Butte
 
 
   Hi Matteo
  
   You are probably correct. This guy is sick of my emails
   telling him that if he was selling Canadian meteorites, that
   he better have an export permit.
  
   In fact, he is NOT worried about a Canadian export permit
   because he is NOT selling any known Canadian meteorites.
   He has no classification done, nor is he in the process of
   getting one done.
  
   Buyers beware!
  
   Best regards,
   Roman Jirasek
  
  
  
  
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   From: Matteo Chinellato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Meteoritecentral [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:27 PM
   Subject: [meteorite-list] Other on Eagle Butte
  
  
Hello all
   
Mr.Todd Kirkby have sent to me this email with this
ebay url
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1073339933
on the Eagle Butte  meteorite ..for me is not a
meteorite...look
  
  
  
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[meteorite-list] The Rocks of Mars

2002-02-15 Thread Bernd Pauli HD

Hello Listees, Martians, Nakhla Dogs (dead or alive :-)

Just a quick heads-up! All of us will probably have read
or have heard of:

McSWEEN H.Y. Jr. (1994) What we have learned about Mars from
SNC meteorites (Invited Review in Meteoritics 29-6, 1994 November
pp. 757-779).

And now, there is another epochal paper by H.Y. McSween after his
in-depth, comprehensive treatise on SNCs in 1994. More than 14 pages,
4 pages of references, numerous figures + 1 table:

McSWEEN H.Y. Jr. (2002) The Leonard Medal Address: The rocks
of Mars, from far and near (MAPS 37-1, 2002, pp. 007-025).

Here is a breakdown of the contents:

- Abstract
- Introduction
- Age and structure of the Martian crust: Geologic Context
- Is SNC sampling chronologically representative?
- Volume of the crust from Martian meteorites
- Composition of the Martian Crust: Geologic Context
- Composition of the Crust from Martian Meteorites
- Magmatic processes that affected SNC meteorites
- Composition and dynamics of the Martian interior: Geologic Context
- Mantle and core compositions from Martian meteorites
- Mantle and core evolution and dynamics from Martian meteorites
- Mars degassing, hydrogeology, and weathering: Geologic Context
- Volatile inventory and degassing from Martian meteorites
- Fluid-rock interactions in Martian meteorites
- Summary
- References


Cheers,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Is This All Olivine

2002-02-15 Thread Dave Mouat

Mohamed
I'm not sure what you mean by the word large as in Olivine is rarely found in
large sizes but in ultramafic rock exposures (some classic localities in Oman,
by the way) we can find pure unserpentinized olivine in masses the size of  the
Hoba meteorite (60 tons) and larger.  We find entire mountains of serpentinized
to somewhat serpentinized olivine.  So, the presence of olivine would not be
diagnostic of a meteoritic origin.  Isotopic (and other chemical) analyses would
be diagnostic.
Dave

DiamondMeteor wrote:

 Dear List;
 I found few rocks that look all composed of Olivine,, and I have read before
 that Olivine is rarely found in large sizes. I have measured its specific
 gravity and found it to be around 3.3 (Olivine: 3.2), its hardness and also
 its color is close to Olivine.
 Some rocks have very thin fusion crust.
 Please have a look,, and I would be delighted to hear your openion.
 http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/olv.htm

 Best Regards
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Willamette Meteorite Donation

2002-02-15 Thread Matt Morgan



Hi list-
I just wanted to let you all know that we will be 
donating a piece of Willamette to the Grande Ronde Tribe, if they accept. 
Hopefully, this will reinforce in others, the positive demeanor of the meteorite 
community.
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites

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Morgan 
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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 12:33 PM
Subject: Willamette Meteorite Donation


Greetings..
I spoke with others from small consortium of collectors that purchased 
theWillamette meteorite at the auction last week in Tucson. We have decided 
togive a small slice to the Grande Ronde Tribe with NO STRINGS ATTATTCHED. 
Itis yours for the keeping. We want everyone who surrounds this meteorite 
tobe happy and in good spirits. I feel that the meteorite community as a 
whole has been tarnished, and I personally, want itback where it was...at 
peace with itself. A piece of the meteorite needs to be back "home", and 
good karma restored to it. I hope all is well and that you will display, 
worship, and be happy with the specimen of Willamette I send to you. 
Thanks and best wishes,
==Matt MorganMile High 
MeteoritesP.O. Box 151293Lakewood, CO 80215http://www.mhmeteorites.com


[meteorite-list] Met Bul Help Needed

2002-02-15 Thread Matson, Robert

Hi Jake,

 Hello all; Does anyone (Bernd?) know in which Meteoritical
 bulletin (the number) I would find Cumberland Falls ?

I think the fall is too old to have been in the Meteoritical Bulletin.
From the Catalogue of Meteorites we have:

Description:  Proc. U.S. Nat., 1920, Vol. 57, pg. 97
Recovery information:  Science, 1919, Vol. 49, pg. 541
Petrology:  Min. Mag., 1977, Vol. 41, pg. 201
...

more recent publications discussing oxygen isotopic composition:

Proc. 11th LPSC, 1980, pg. 1145
Proc. 15th LPSC, 1984, Vol. 89, pg. C245 (JGR Suppl.)
GCA, 1996, Vol. 60, pg. 1999

Finall, fusion crust (M.J. Genge  M.M. Grady), MAPS, 1999, Vol. 34,
page 341.

--Rob


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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bul Help Needed

2002-02-15 Thread Bernd Pauli HD

Matteo wrote:

 In the Met.Bull. Master Index
 http://www.uark.edu/campus-resources/metsoc/metbull/master-index.pdf
 I no have find the Cumberland Falls, probably is not available.

No, because it fell prior to 1951. So Jake would have to dig up the
papers by A.M. Miller (Science 49, 1919,  p. 541) or the description
+ analysis by G.P. Merrill (Proc. U.S. Nat.Mus., 1920, 57, p. 97).


Cheers,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bul Help Needed

2002-02-15 Thread Meteoriteman

   Thnk you Robert, David, Matteo and Bernd! I appreciate your help. Very 
best to all; Jake


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Re: [meteorite-list] Other on Eagle Butte

2002-02-15 Thread Tracy Latimer

There seem to be a lot of these Eagle Butte Meteorites running around on
Ebay these days.  I bought one of the first ones from someone whose handle
is geopaleo_guy; I used Buy It Now, which in retrospect might have been
a mistake :-P got too overeager.  Someone probably made a pilgrimage up to
the area, might even have been a legitimate meteorite lover, found a pile
of slag or tailings and thought they had hit the mother lode.  Brought
back a couple dozen pounds and started sharing the wealth.  As soon as I
get my (probable) meteorwrong, if anyone wants to use it for testing, let
me know and I'll be happy to send it on.  Of course, it it turns out to
be real, I'll expect the remnants back g

Tracy Latimer
--having some serious doubts--

On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, MARK BOSTICK wrote:
 
 
 
 The seller has tried to trade some with me.  I agreed telling him I do not 
 think they are meteorites.  While I am in Mexico right now my brother has 
 informed me the package arrived.  When I get home I plan to send them to 
 someone that can do the proper testing.  According to the seller they came 
 from the crater rim and all the land is privatly owned.  The land owners 
 will not let anyone investigate the stones so give me a couple months and 
 maybe I can provide more information.
 
 
 Mark
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Tettenborn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Roman Jirasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Other on Eagle Butte
 
 
   It still begs the question
  
   What is he selling?  Are these, in fact, iron deposits found in and 
 around
   this old crater.  If so are they meteorites?
  
   I doubt they are or they would have been classified a long time ago.
 Still,
   I would like to know what he is selling.
  
   Mike Tettenborn
   Owen Sound, Ontario
  



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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Willamette Meteorite Donation

2002-02-15 Thread Meteoriteman

   Hi Matt and list: Matt; That is a VERY generous thing for you and your 
partners to do! I am sure the tribe will appreciate the offer very much.
After reading what is available on the topic, I think that the AMNH 
could/might donate a piece. That was a sizable chunk (28 pounds? I believe I 
read)  that they traded for the martian material...might not be a bad gesture 
to let the indians have a pound or two (Although they have no claim to any at 
all).
   anyway; VERY NICE that you all are making the offer!
   Bravo!
Jake


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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Willamette Meteorite Donation

2002-02-15 Thread Matt Morgan

Thanks Jake. I hope the accept, but I think they want the entire mass :)
Yikes.
Best,
Matt
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Willamette Meteorite Donation


Hi Matt and list: Matt; That is a VERY generous thing for you and
your
 partners to do! I am sure the tribe will appreciate the offer very much.
 After reading what is available on the topic, I think that the AMNH
 could/might donate a piece. That was a sizable chunk (28 pounds? I believe
I
 read)  that they traded for the martian material...might not be a bad
gesture
 to let the indians have a pound or two (Although they have no claim to any
at
 all).
anyway; VERY NICE that you all are making the offer!
Bravo!
 Jake


  Jake Delgaudio
 The Nature Source
 Meteorites and Fossils
 Queensbury, NEW YORK 12804
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[meteorite-list] Willamete meteorite

2002-02-15 Thread Graham Christensen

Hello people,
I heard that the Willamete meteorite may have been carried down to the 
states from Canada by the glaciers. Therefore the meteorite should be 
returned to Canada. And since I am Canadian I will take it off your hands 
for you :) Or, we can take it even further. Get NASA to build a rocket and 
launch the meteorite back to the original place of residence, the asteroid 
belt.

Just being silly ;)

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[meteorite-list] Embarrassing Quietness

2002-02-15 Thread Bernd Pauli HD

The list has certainly quieted down at a moment when there is usually
much more cyber-traffic. Hm? Is it a vague but persistent feeling of
uneasiness about an explosive subject - No, I am not talking about the
Nakhla dog. We are once again entering a terrain where even Angels
Fear To Tread. I have been sitting about half an hour looking at my
original mail but decided to delete it.

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Willamete meteorite

2002-02-15 Thread Ron Baalke

 
 Hello people,
 I heard that the Willamete meteorite may have been carried down to the 
 states from Canada by the glaciers. Therefore the meteorite should be 
 returned to Canada. And since I am Canadian I will take it off your hands 
 for you :) 
 Just being silly ;)

Ah, yes, then you run into the Canadian export laws.  Fortunately, at the time
the meteorite was in Canada, Canada did not exist as a country then.

Ron Baalke

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[meteorite-list] Is This All Olivine

2002-02-15 Thread Jamie Ekholm



Olivine is olivine, on earth and elsewhere I 
believe. Peridot is the name given to the gem quality variety of 
olivine.

Jamie


[meteorite-list] New Specimen

2002-02-15 Thread Mark Miconi



I just purchased a 1.5g slice of Allende for my 
personal collection. I can not wait to have it arrive. It is not a big piece but 
it is another named and classified sample for my small collection.
I know this has been asked before ...where can I 
get a membrane box for it? I think this would be the best way to display it due 
to its size...or lack there of.

Thanks in advance...Mark 
M.


Re: [meteorite-list] New Specimen

2002-02-15 Thread meteorite1.net



Boy how rude I am, CONGRATULATIONS on your new 
acquisition!

Jim



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  Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:04 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New 
  Specimen
  
  Hello Mark  list,
  
   Membrane boxes in many sizes 
  are available from Ron Hartman at www.meteorite1.org
  
  Sincerely,Jim
  
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- Original Message - 
From: 
Mark Miconi 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:03 
PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] New 
Specimen

I just purchased a 1.5g slice of Allende for my 
personal collection. I can not wait to have it arrive. It is not a big piece 
but it is another named and classified sample for my small 
collection.
I know this has been asked before ...where can 
I get a membrane box for it? I think this would be the best way to display 
it due to its size...or lack there of.

Thanks in advance...Mark 
  M.