[meteorite-list] classification plakards
Good morning to all worldwide from the midwest. I am going to be getting some rare russian meteorite micro's soon. I was wondering, where does one go to get the info on the histories of these little gems? I have tried several websites. but nothing seems to come up. HELP! STEVE ARNOLD, CHICAGOSteve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107 The midwest meteorite collector! I.M.C.A. member #6728 Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.comDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [meteorite-list] classification plakards
STEVE ARNOLD schrieb: Good morning to all worldwide from the midwest. I am going to be getting some rare russian meteorite micro's soon. I was wondering, where does one go to get the info on the histories of these little gems? I have tried several websites. but nothing seems to come up. HELP! a) The Catalogue of Meteorites, 5th edition !!! b) Anne Black's Meteorites from A - Z !!! Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] classification plakards
Steve Arnold wrote: Good morning to all worldwide from the midwest. I am going to be getting some rare russian meteorite micro's soon. I was wondering, where does one go to get the info on the histories of these little gems? I have tried several websites. but nothing seems to come up. HELP! Bernd wrote: a) The Catalogue of Meteorites, 5th edition !!! b) Anne Black's Meteorites from A - Z !!! Hello Steve and list, I would also suggest getting the Catalong of Meteorites. Meteorites from A - Z would also be good if you are wanting to save a few dollars but then you lack the search CD, but it is about $20.00 instead of $150.00. If you interest is in rare micros, rare is a relative term and almost meaningless in meteorites (I think all meteorites are rare), one could almost rewrite that as expensive micros, then you should go for the catalog. Meteorite A - Z is also almost sold out now but I do think Anne has a couple more left. (The Jensens are out of their copies.). Now Steve, before you ask us tomorrow..Are there any Nebraska meteorites and let me know, understand you will very likely get this same answer you have received a few times now by several list members. Mark Bostick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gold basin weather
Tom and list, The reverse side of that will be that it will start out in the low 30's upper 20's every morning. Also just after sunrise there will be a breeze as the temperature inversion takes place. The air temps will drop 3-10 degrees until the sun is fully risen. Take this from a 20 year veteran, I have experienced all areas of Arizona, do not take this state lightly, the weather and terrain can be dangerous if you do not prepare. Arizona weather can change quickly, dress accordingly. The inversion in the morning will definitely make it much colder after the sun rises for a half hour or so then it was before the sun came up. Bring warm clothes, dress in layers. Good boots are a must, and have lots of fresh water. Even though it will not be hot, water is always a must. It might be a good idea to bring a loud whistle for signalling, in case one gets lost. I hope I can get up there and enjoy the hunt with you all, if not please be safe and good hunting. Mark Miconi Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Tom aka james Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Gold basin weather Good new List, It should be mostly sunny saturday and sunday with a high of 58! Nice hunting weather! We seem to be picking up a few more List members for our hunt as the time approaches, the more the merrier! Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the I.M.C.A. #6168 _ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tektite collecting?
Hello Tom and list, Tektites are very interesting and sometimes puzzleing. As another list member noted they did fall from the sky. I have been making my way around to all the major meteorite collections on display in the United States, and they always seem to have a few tektites. Kinda related to tektites, is meteorite impactite, which myself and several other list members also collect. If one was to limit themselves to just three different impactites, then I would suggest Ries Suevite, Sudbury Melt Glass, and Sudbury Black Onaping. All which can be purchased from a number of sellers on eBay at very affordable prices. Impactites can also be purchased through a number of websites, such as fellow list and IMCA members, Ron Hartman's Meteorite1.com, Anne Black's Impactika.com and Geoffrey Cintron's Islandmeteorites.com. Mark Bostick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gold Basin hunt!!
By the way everyone, if you go to www.maptech.com you can use their online map server to print fairly detailed topo maps of the gold basin area right on your on printer. Here is the link for the map: http://mapserver.maptech.com/homepage/index.cfm?lat=35.78583lon=-114.17944; scale=10zoom=50type=1icon=0searchscope=domscriptfile=http://mapserv er.maptech.com/homepage/index.cfmlatlontype=DMS I have Topo USA software and I recommend the software for anyone with GPS that wants a good mapping program that works well with GPS. You can get Topo USA at www.delorme.com Mark M. - Original Message - From: Tom aka james Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 10:17 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Gold Basin hunt!! Hello List members! Our Gold Basin group hunt on the 11th 12th is just next weekend! We can meet at 9 AM at the corner of pierce ferry RD and Greg's hideout RD. If you are staying in kingman we can meet in kingman at 7:30 or 8:00 and drive out there together. Every one is invited! Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the I.M.C.A. #6168 _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] etching irons with ferric chloride
Howdy Folks, I'm a bit new to the meteorite world, and when I read Jim Hartman's Meteorites 101 a couple months ago about etching irons, I had to give it a try. I've been etching and re-etching a gibeon slice that I had (with some visible blade marks that I wanted to grind out), and finally think I'm getting close to a good etch. However, I keep getting clouds or haze around trollite inclusions. The rubbing step seems to help this, but no amount of rubbing makes it fully go away. I'm following Jim's instructions as religiously as I know how (including using hot running tap water - something I was afraid of at first). I'm diluting my radio shack etchant about 1:4. Also, I'm only sanding to 400 grit, not 600 or 1200 like some suggest. Anyone else seen this kind of problem? Thanks in advance for the help, Jeff __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SALE: DaG 262 and others on eBay
Hi list members ! I have to thin out my collection, so I listed some meteorites including some great specimen of DaG 262 for sale on eBay. If interested please have a look at: http://members.ebay.de/aboutme/austromet/ Best regards and a happy new year to all, Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] etching irons with ferric chloride
Hi Jeff, 400 grit is ok for Gibeon but do not dilute the RS etchant! To minimize the hazing you should go a little finer than 400, if you have a bench grinder go spend about $10 get a buffing wheel some black polishing compound at your local Ace hardware. Remember to polish from the center of the slice out stay away from the edges for your safety so that you do not roll the crisp edge over. You can do this on Gibeon because of the tight crystal pattern but polish lightly only to take the edge off of the sanding scratches. Sincerely, Jim James Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.meteorite1.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteed www.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 7:40 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] etching irons with ferric chloride Howdy Folks, I'm a bit new to the meteorite world, and when I read Jim Hartman's Meteorites 101 a couple months ago about etching irons, I had to give it a try. I've been etching and re-etching a gibeon slice that I had (with some visible blade marks that I wanted to grind out), and finally think I'm getting close to a good etch. However, I keep getting clouds or haze around trollite inclusions. The rubbing step seems to help this, but no amount of rubbing makes it fully go away. I'm following Jim's instructions as religiously as I know how (including using hot running tap water - something I was afraid of at first). I'm diluting my radio shack etchant about 1:4. Also, I'm only sanding to 400 grit, not 600 or 1200 like some suggest. Anyone else seen this kind of problem? Thanks in advance for the help, Jeff __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] how to order at bn
Hi List, From www.bn.comI tried to order : American Museum of Natural History Novitates 203: A New Meteoric Stone from Johnstown, Weld County, Colorado- with Supplemental Notes by George P. Merrill and Earl V. Shannon @ $ 6.75 For some weird reason I cannot check out without the message error. I wrote bn twice but all I get from them is an automatic answer where they suggest to call them between 9 and 11 EST. My question: Does anybody have a good idea about how to get this item or - who knows - does anybody like to sell his copy of this item to me? Peter Marmet, Bern, Switzerland
[meteorite-list] L'Aigle Meteorite
At 18:18 05/01/03, Pierre wrote: I'm studying the L'Aigle meteorite fall as I live only at 150km from the official fall in Normandy. I say official as I've heard of a study done in the 70's which said that the searchers found new fragments west of L'Aigle, on a massive zone from 2000 km square and that there should be still thousands of fragments to find. Do you have some information about this research or did you found yourseld another fragments ? -- Hello Pierre list, I haven't heard anything related to a search for L'Aigle fragments in the 1970's. There is no doubt that there could be (thousands of ?) fragments still awaiting in the area, although I just wonder to what extent they would have survived the humid weather conditions not rare in the Orne Department. I also remember having heard that our friend Alain Carion (whom you should well know) had in mind searching in the L'Aigle area for meteorite fragments several years ago (and perhaps he did so if my memory works well) but think he said he did not find any(If Alain is reading this, perhaps he could add more comments) Perhaps the following anecdote can also be of interest to you. Last November (2002), I was contacted by a person from Alençon (a few dozen km SW from L'Aigle area) who, along with a couple of friends, used to search for meteorites with a metal detector and also with the help of a few other expert people who provided him reliable (historical and other) advices about that search. They explored a quite wide area having the village of L'Aigle as the center point and more closely looked on places (field areas) where, according to historical archives, many meteorites fell. He said having found 2 substantial masses (about 850 gram and...12 kg !) that resembled a meteorite but, as he was not really keen in identifying a meteorite, he needed some expertise. He invited me to meet him as he heard that I use to do such expertises during our Ensisheim meteorite shows. Despite the unfavorable satistics that a stone found by a non expert be a true meteorite (less than c.a. 0.1%), I accepted to drive about 400 km and met him for the expertise. To make a long story short, at the first glance, neither of the stones revealed to be a meteorite (you bet) but I met a very nice person and we became close friends. But the interesting part of the story (for you Pierre) might be that these people not only had extensively searched through the area for days and weeks, but still continue to do so. When I met them, I talked extensively about meteorites and showed them real meteorite fragments, among which my small piece of about 10 g of L'Aigle. They are retired people, passionate, have time and, with their new preliminary knowledge about meteorites, if some L'Aigle fragments are still lying in the area, I believe these kind of people will be among the first to find them. Needless to say I am in close contact with them and, in case something interesting or suspicious shows up in the future, I'll tell you for sure. Incidently, you may not ignore that next April this year, it is the 200th Anniversary of this famous multiple fall My friends are being now active to set up some official commemorative ceremony at L'Aigle and I already accepted their invitation to deliver some informal lecture about what are meteorites. Friendly encounters in perspective! As you live not far away from there, Pierre, I am sure you won't miss such an event, and come. You and anyone from the list, are warmly welcome in France with, in mind, 2 important dates for 2003: April: L'Aigle and June: Ensisheim! All my best wishes for 2003 to the list! Cordially, Zelimir ** Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Groupe Sécurité et Ecologie Chimiques (GSEC) - ENSCMu 3, rue A. Werner F-68093 MULHOUSE Cedex, FRANCE Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 FAX: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites
Dear List: Here is a copy of a email I received today. I am sure some others received the same. ** My name is John E. Fernandez. I am an attorney in Tampa, Florida representing a person who has pled guilty to stealing approximately 113 grams of lunar materials and martin meteorites from the Johnson Space Center last year. At his sentencing the main issue will be the fair market value of these materials. I am looking for someone who can testify as an expert regarding what price these materials would have on the open market. The sentencing will be this March or April in the US district court in Orlando, Florida. If you or someone you know might be interested in evaluating the materials and offering an opinion, please contact me. Expenses and expert witness fees are negotiable. John E. Fernandez Florida Bar #606839 7520 Oakvista Circle Tampa, Florida 33634 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** I spoke with Mr. Fernandez and he is looking for an expert that can give a fair market value on the stolen material. From his conversation, I understood there was also some ALH84001 martian meteorite fragments involved. He would like for someone to look at the material that was taken and give their opinion. I would not be comfortable in placing a value on lunar rocks from the Apollo missions or ALH84001. There are better experts on this list that might could help in this matter. He would like list members to discuss what they feel would be a market value on 113 grams of lunar rocks and a gram price for a fragment of ALH84001. If anyone on the list feels they would like to offer their services, I will provide a direct telephone number to Mr. Fernandez. John Sinclair __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites
Assuming that the sentence will be comensurate with the material's value, i.e., the higher the value the stiffer the sentence, then the poor bastards are doomed. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites
Hello John, I wouldn't think anyone could place such a value, but here are my thoughts on the Apollo material. It cost $24 billion to recover 838 pounds of rocks, which proportionately would equal about $63,000 per gram if my math is correct. Multiply by 113 grams and you get $7.128 million. The value of the Martian opx could be figured in a similar manner, then add a few million just for being the epitome of stupidity. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites
Hi John, I can understand your reluctance in attempting to place a monetary value on Apollo lunar specimens. There are several ways that one could manufacture an estimate, but it would only be an opinion as there is no precedent and no market value for Apollo moon rocks. One way would be to take the mass of the stolen fragments, divide it by the total mass of lunar rocks collected by all the Apollo missions, and apply that fraction to the inflation-adjusted cost of those missions -- billions of dollars. You'd probably end up with a figure into the millions dollars, and that doesn't even take into consideration the risk to human lives that went into retrieving these lunar specimens. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites
I wouldn't think anyone could place such a value Agreed. ALH84001 and Apollo moon samples have never been offered on the market before. Supply and demand will dictate the price. The supply is low (113 grams), and the demand would be extremely high. It would no doubt set new price records. It cost $24 billion to recover 838 pounds of rocks, which proportionately would equal about $63,000 per gram if my math is correct. Multiply by 113 grams and you get $7.128 million. Don't forget to factor in about 30 years of inflation. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites
Yes I failed to compensate for inflation, and also for the cost of curating the material in Houston for 30 years. Let's just say life in prison with nothing to eat but Apollo-style freeze dried food. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Stolen lunar materials
Hi John, I'm of the opinion that the material stolen from NASA was for all practical purposes worthless on the collectable market. Let me elaborate; Most collectors willing to purchase lunar meteorites are intelligent, and successful people. All of these people would recognize that NASA lunar material is prohibited material. What thinking person would purchase a collectable that if you were found out having, could send you to jail, and ruin your life? It's like trying to sell the Mona Lisa, no art collector would buy it, because he would be branded a criminal by doing so. This is why the Mona Lisa is not only priceless, but worthless to a collector. There is no "market value" to the Mona Lisa, nor is there one for the Apollo Lunar samples. Best Regards, Geoff Cintron Island Meteorite http://www.islandmeteorite.com
Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites
Big trouble for these kids. It cost $24 billion to recover 838 pounds of rocks, which proportionately would equal about $63,000 per gram if my math is correct. Multiply by 113 grams and you get $7.128 million. Don't forget to factor in about 30 years of inflation. This is exactly the attorney's concern. These rocks are valuable beyond imagination. Our Government takes the Apollo rocks and the Antarctic meteorites very seriously, and rightfully so. They are treasures. His job is to try and find an expert that will come up with a figure to counter what the US will say they are valued at. The kids are guilty. They have admitted it. They just want to soften the sentence and it is the attorneys job to do the best he can. I think the Government will be stern when it comes to sentencing. They don't need any others trying to steal moon rocks or Martian meteorites. John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Gold Basin Aerial Photos - TerraServer
Tom and List, I have found a source for aerial photos. Aerial Photos are available for Gold Basin on TerraServer. The link is: http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/geographic.aspx Enter the coordinates in the Geographical Search as follows in degrees, minutes and seconds: 35 47' 9" North 114 10' 46" West The aerial photos are available down to 1 meter resolution, topo maps are also available. Though I did not try it, the photos are in black and white and should be printable. It is starting to become apparent that my schedule is going to interfere with my attending the hunt, I have a client that seems dead set on wasting their money on software they do not need and on paying me way too much to install it. I am trying to get it rescheduled. Sniffle sniffle cough coughI might even be coming down with a cold.I would hate to get all their employees sick! Hope to make it for the hunt. Mark M. Phoenix AZ
[meteorite-list] Re: Stolen lunar materials
Yes Geoff, None of us would go near this material, we do know better. I think most of us would try and help in the recovery of any stolen material. The attorney wants to create an imagined scenario where our Government releases 113 grams of Lunar rocks for sale on the open market. What would list members and the public be willing to pay? I wouldn't attempt to say. Who can say? Geoff wrote: I'm of the opinion that the material stolen from NASA was for all practical purposes worthless on the collectable market. Let me elaborate; Most collectors willing to purchase lunar meteorites are intelligent, and successful people. All of these people would recognize that NASA lunar material is prohibited material. What thinking person would purchase a collectable that if you were found out having, could send you to jail, and ruin your life? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Stolen lunar materials
Dear List, and John; I feel that a price can not be set as they are priceless for the below reasons. What price could be put on the Statue of Liberty? Value is worth much more than the replacement value. No honest collector would buy these samples as they are indeed priceless in the legal world. Dave Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, I'm of the opinion that the material stolen from NASA was for all practical purposes worthless on the collectable market. Let me elaborate; Most collectors willing to purchase lunar meteorites are intelligent, and successful people. All of these people would recognize that NASA lunar material is prohibited material. What thinking person would purchase a collectable that if you were found out having, could send you to jail, and ruin your life? It's like trying to sell the Mona Lisa, no art collector would buy it, because he would be branded a criminal by doing so. This is why the Mona Lisa is not only priceless, but worthless to a collector. There is no market value to the Mona Lisa, nor is there one for the Apollo Lunar samples. Best Regards, Geoff Cintron Island Meteorite http://www.islandmeteorite.com/ http://www.islandmeteorite.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Stolen lunar materials
John Sinclair wrote: The attorney wants to create an imagined scenario where our Government releases 113 grams of Lunar rocks for sale on the open market. What would list members and the public be willing to pay? I wouldn't attempt to say. Who can say? Okay here's a low-ball estimate for the defense. Take the 113 g lunar material and divide each gram into 50 lucite cubes (1/10 carat each) and sell them on QVC. They would probably sell for a few thousand apiece so multiply 5,650 units by a few thousand each to get between approx. $12,000 and $30,000. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites
John S./ List Members: I've been retained by the OIG and USAG on this case and am currently under a US Federal Subpoena to appear. We did the Appraisal on the samples contained within the safe stolen from JSC. (Sorry, OIG is the US Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, USAG is the US Attorney General's Office, and JSC is Johnson Space Center in Texas) I'm restricted as to what I can say on the value and how we did it but was told that the Defense claims that these are just a bunch of rocks. To say that they're just a bunch of rocks is certainly minimizing here. The material contained in that safe was extraordinary. The word unique, which expresses an absolute, fails to adequately describe the contents. I agree with Geoff C. in that US Collectors understand the legality of US citizens owning Apollo Return Samples and perhaps the people who had the contents also knew this as they were attempting to sell the material through foreign buyers. A lot of time has been put into this case as there is no precedent here. A lot of work has been put into the evaluation of this material. During the appraisal process I received the council of several fine members of our community. One member, Greg R. was very helpful in crystallizing my thoughts in the final appraisal and I publically thank him for his input (for those who don't know Greg he's a recently retired Federal Anti-Terrorist guy). As all of you know, all appraisals are an opinion of value. A good appraisal is one that backs the resultant opinion with facts and records. In some cases value is not limited to dollars alone. To this end we have tried to be as thorough as possible. It is my understanding that guilt has already been established. It is now the responsibility of the US Attorney General's Office to present all data to the residing Federal Judge to determine the magnitude of the crime. Perhaps our List member Eric T. can speak more on the 'mechanics of the process. When all is said and done I'll post the appraisal details and proceedings on this list (unless for some reason I'm prohibited from doing so.) For my end this has consumed a huge amount of time. What a way to start the new year! But lucky me, I'll be paid $42.00 a day for my time away. That will get me about 10 grams of Cape York from Walter B. (minus the case). Russ Kempton New England Meteoritical www.meteorlab.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites
My thoughts: The gov regularly sells at auction all manner of objects and the final price bears no relationship to the price the gov paid. Priceless has $ value - the bidder decides. Lunar material would have to sell at auction to establish a market value. As a collector I would have no interest in the 113g UNLESS unequilibrated meteoritic material were offered; such is my specific collecting interest (however, if unequilibrated material was available I would ravage my credit cards and still loose to any collector with serious bidding interest) . So for value I suggest dealers who remain in touch with the 'great' collections canvass their owners with the hypothetical. The value would remain static or decrease over time as industrial development of the moon would effectively create a NWA syndrome. This is not investment material. A fragment of ALH84001 on the other hand (If the collector is convinced that evidence of life has in fact been found in this specimen) would find a much larger field of bidders who, I suspect, would 'shoot the moon' to acquire this first evidence. Michael M __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Stolen lunar materials
Dear list members, I feel very strongly about this subject! I believe in today's economy this material would sell for well over $100,000.00 a gram. There was a case when a 1 gram NASA sample made it into private hands and a valid offer of over $5,000,000.00 was made before the government stepped in. I believe they are still fighting over the ownership of this piece. This specimen was originally a gift to Honduras by president Nixon, I believe, and a private individual hoodwinked them out of it with trade worth $50,000.00, now they are asking for it back. Another case is when lunar dust was found on some NASA Apollo refuse that went up for auction. It was confirmed lunar and clear tape was used to remove the dust from the bag it was found in. These small pieces of tape with a framed certificate sell for over $1,000.00. There can not be more than 2 milligrams per section of tape, This would amount to $500,000.00 per gram. The market is pretty thin and with 113 grams put out at once I still feel it would have a street value of over $100,000.00 per gram or $11,300,000.00. Without certification I feel it could be fenced at $10,000.00 a gram because there are a lot of people who have no respect for such things and would purchase it anyway. As far as the ALH 84001 specimen goes I could see it easily selling for $500,000.00 a gram because it is more famous than even the Apollo rocks. In any case these idiots should spend a long in prison for ripping off a national treasure that belongs to everyone, not just NASA. All the best, Adam Hupe - Original Message - From: John Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 2:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Stolen lunar materials Yes Geoff, None of us would go near this material, we do know better. I think most of us would try and help in the recovery of any stolen material. The attorney wants to create an imagined scenario where our Government releases 113 grams of Lunar rocks for sale on the open market. What would list members and the public be willing to pay? I wouldn't attempt to say. Who can say? Geoff wrote: I'm of the opinion that the material stolen from NASA was for all practical purposes worthless on the collectable market. Let me elaborate; Most collectors willing to purchase lunar meteorites are intelligent, and successful people. All of these people would recognize that NASA lunar material is prohibited material. What thinking person would purchase a collectable that if you were found out having, could send you to jail, and ruin your life? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites
Hi Ron and all, I had always heard that the cost of the samples if you took the whole Apollo series into consideration would be about $60,000 per gram. However that doesn't take into consideration all of the science, and knowledge we learned from Apollo. Also the spin-offs from the research and technology that we benefit from today have to be weighed into all of this I would think. Inflation from that time period to now would be about six times. One other consideration would be that the material stolen, what samples do they come from. If they came from a single small stone unique to all other lunar samples retrieved (perhaps lunar meteorites should be considered also if we have more of the same) then the value would be higher. If it came from a larger chunk then the value perhaps would be less. In every market it boils down to what a buyer will pay. I have to ask myself what would I pay for Apollo material (if it were legal as I would never be in the market for something that is stolen). Seems to me that the average cost of lunar meteorite material right now is around $3000 to $5000 per/gram. Would I pay more for a limited offering of Moon Rock, most likely yes. How much more I don't really know. --AL Mitterling Ron Baalke wrote: I wouldn't think anyone could place such a value Agreed. ALH84001 and Apollo moon samples have never been offered on the market before. Supply and demand will dictate the price. The supply is low (113 grams), and the demand would be extremely high. It would no doubt set new price records. It cost $24 billion to recover 838 pounds of rocks, which proportionately would equal about $63,000 per gram if my math is correct. Multiply by 113 grams and you get $7.128 million. Don't forget to factor in about 30 years of inflation. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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of Cape York from Walter B. (minus the case). Now, Russ. For you, you know I would throw in the case for free :-) -Walter Walter Branch, Ph.D. 322 Stephenson Save., Suite B Savannah, GA 31405 www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: LabNEMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites John S./ List Members: I've been retained by the OIG and USAG on this case and am currently under a US Federal Subpoena to appear. We did the Appraisal on the samples contained within the safe stolen from JSC. (Sorry, OIG is the US Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, USAG is the US Attorney General's Office, and JSC is Johnson Space Center in Texas) I'm restricted as to what I can say on the value and how we did it but was told that the Defense claims that these are just a bunch of rocks. To say that they're just a bunch of rocks is certainly minimizing here. The material contained in that safe was extraordinary. The word unique, which expresses an absolute, fails to adequately describe the contents. I agree with Geoff C. in that US Collectors understand the legality of US citizens owning Apollo Return Samples and perhaps the people who had the contents also knew this as they were attempting to sell the material through foreign buyers. A lot of time has been put into this case as there is no precedent here. A lot of work has been put into the evaluation of this material. During the appraisal process I received the council of several fine members of our community. One member, Greg R. was very helpful in crystallizing my thoughts in the final appraisal and I publically thank him for his input (for those who don't know Greg he's a recently retired Federal Anti-Terrorist guy). As all of you know, all appraisals are an opinion of value. A good appraisal is one that backs the resultant opinion with facts and records. In some cases value is not limited to dollars alone. To this end we have tried to be as thorough as possible. It is my understanding that guilt has already been established. It is now the responsibility of the US Attorney General's Office to present all data to the residing Federal Judge to determine the magnitude of the crime. Perhaps our List member Eric T. can speak more on the 'mechanics of the process. When all is said and done I'll post the appraisal details and proceedings on this list (unless for some reason I'm prohibited from doing so.) For my end this has consumed a huge amount of time. What a way to start the new year! But lucky me, I'll be paid $42.00 a day for my time away. That will get me about 10 grams of Cape York from Walter B. (minus the case). Russ Kempton New England Meteoritical www.meteorlab.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Russ, Our Government is fortunate to have you working on this. You are an expert in the field of meteorites and your opinion will be a great asset. The kids are guilty and they will most likely receive stiff sentences. They need an expert too. John - Original Message - From: LabNEMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites John S./ List Members: I've been retained by the OIG and USAG on this case and am currently under a US Federal Subpoena to appear. We did the Appraisal on the samples contained within the safe stolen from JSC. (Sorry, OIG is the US Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, USAG is the US Attorney General's Office, and JSC is Johnson Space Center in Texas) I'm restricted as to what I can say on the value and how we did it but was told that the Defense claims that these are just a bunch of rocks. To say that they're just a bunch of rocks is certainly minimizing here. The material contained in that safe was extraordinary. The word unique, which expresses an absolute, fails to adequately describe the contents. I agree with Geoff C. in that US Collectors understand the legality of US citizens owning Apollo Return Samples and perhaps the people who had the contents also knew this as they were attempting to sell the material through foreign buyers. A lot of time has been put into this case as there is no precedent here. A lot of work has been put into the evaluation of this material. During the appraisal process I received the council of several fine members of our community. One member, Greg R. was very helpful in crystallizing my thoughts in the final appraisal and I publically thank him for his input (for those who don't know Greg he's a recently retired Federal Anti-Terrorist guy). As all of you know, all appraisals are an opinion of value. A good appraisal is one that backs the resultant opinion with facts and records. In some cases value is not limited to dollars alone. To this end we have tried to be as thorough as possible. It is my understanding that guilt has already been established. It is now the responsibility of the US Attorney General's Office to present all data to the residing Federal Judge to determine the magnitude of the crime. Perhaps our List member Eric T. can speak more on the 'mechanics of the process. When all is said and done I'll post the appraisal details and proceedings on this list (unless for some reason I'm prohibited from doing so.) For my end this has consumed a huge amount of time. What a way to start the new year! But lucky me, I'll be paid $42.00 a day for my time away. That will get me about 10 grams of Cape York from Walter B. (minus the case). Russ Kempton New England Meteoritical www.meteorlab.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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One other consideration would be that the material stolen, what samples do they come from. I understand there were lunar samples from each of the six Apollo Moon landings included. Also, here's an excerpt from a Houston Chronicle article from last July: All four were charged with conspiracy to commit theft and transport in interstate commerce of government property, including 53 samples of rock weighing 5 ounces and 165 fragments of meteorite, also weighing 5 ounces. The meteoritic material included a fragment of ALH 84001, a rare Martian meteorite. I would assume all of the meteorites were Antarctic meteorites. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites
Hello List, We US citizens all paid dearly for these rocks. We paid for these rocks with our tax money and can't even see them. So they are useless to the true owners, US! Tom walter branch wrote: of Cape York from Walter B. (minus the case). Now, Russ. For you, you know I would throw in the case for free :-) -Walter Walter Branch, Ph.D. 322 Stephenson Save., Suite B Savannah, GA 31405 www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: LabNEMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites John S./ List Members: I've been retained by the OIG and USAG on this case and am currently under a US Federal Subpoena to appear. We did the Appraisal on the samples contained within the safe stolen from JSC. (Sorry, OIG is the US Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, USAG is the US Attorney General's Office, and JSC is Johnson Space Center in Texas) I'm restricted as to what I can say on the value and how we did it but was told that the Defense claims that these are just a bunch of rocks. To say that they're just a bunch of rocks is certainly minimizing here. The material contained in that safe was extraordinary. The word unique, which expresses an absolute, fails to adequately describe the contents. I agree with Geoff C. in that US Collectors understand the legality of US citizens owning Apollo Return Samples and perhaps the people who had the contents also knew this as they were attempting to sell the material through foreign buyers. A lot of time has been put into this case as there is no precedent here. A lot of work has been put into the evaluation of this material. During the appraisal process I received the council of several fine members of our community. One member, Greg R. was very helpful in crystallizing my thoughts in the final appraisal and I publically thank him for his input (for those who don't know Greg he's a recently retired Federal Anti-Terrorist guy). As all of you know, all appraisals are an opinion of value. A good appraisal is one that backs the resultant opinion with facts and records. In some cases value is not limited to dollars alone. To this end we have tried to be as thorough as possible. It is my understanding that guilt has already been established. It is now the responsibility of the US Attorney General's Office to present all data to the residing Federal Judge to determine the magnitude of the crime. Perhaps our List member Eric T. can speak more on the 'mechanics of the process. When all is said and done I'll post the appraisal details and proceedings on this list (unless for some reason I'm prohibited from doing so.) For my end this has consumed a huge amount of time. What a way to start the new year! But lucky me, I'll be paid $42.00 a day for my time away. That will get me about 10 grams of Cape York from Walter B. (minus the case). Russ Kempton New England Meteoritical www.meteorlab.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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The kids are guilty and they will most likely receive stiff sentences. What are the possible sentences? Is there a particular dollar amount on the worth of the rocks that is considered crucial in the sentencing? Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Ron and list, While it is true that the government often sells things for much less then they paid let us pretend they are a business trying to make money rather then a group that many times tries to figure out how best to spend money. Rom Baalke wrote: It cost $24 billion to recover 838 pounds of rocks, which proportionately would equal about $63,000 per gram if my math is correct. Multiply by 113 grams and you get $7.128 million. If you took the $7.128 million and doubled it? for inflation you get $14.256 million. I will add 10% for curation cost giving me $15.6816 million. A standard finders fee is 20%, add this and I get $18,817,920. If I was the government that is the figure I would throw out to the court, but of course it would never sell for that on the market and the witness is being sought by the defense from my understanding. It is my opinion that they should get a very stern sentence to give anyone else second and third thoughts about attempting such actions again. Does anyone remember what they were trying to sell it for? Mark Bostick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar rocks
Lunar rocks are on display in many places throughout the United States and abroad. Disneyland and the Hayden Planetarium is two places I have seem them. Perhaps some list member has a list of locations? Mark - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites Hello List, We US citizens all paid dearly for these rocks. We paid for these rocks with our tax money and can't even see them. So they are useless to the true owners, US! Tom walter branch wrote: of Cape York from Walter B. (minus the case). Now, Russ. For you, you know I would throw in the case for free :-) -Walter Walter Branch, Ph.D. 322 Stephenson Save., Suite B Savannah, GA 31405 www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: LabNEMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites John S./ List Members: I've been retained by the OIG and USAG on this case and am currently under a US Federal Subpoena to appear. We did the Appraisal on the samples contained within the safe stolen from JSC. (Sorry, OIG is the US Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, USAG is the US Attorney General's Office, and JSC is Johnson Space Center in Texas) I'm restricted as to what I can say on the value and how we did it but was told that the Defense claims that these are just a bunch of rocks. To say that they're just a bunch of rocks is certainly minimizing here. The material contained in that safe was extraordinary. The word unique, which expresses an absolute, fails to adequately describe the contents. I agree with Geoff C. in that US Collectors understand the legality of US citizens owning Apollo Return Samples and perhaps the people who had the contents also knew this as they were attempting to sell the material through foreign buyers. A lot of time has been put into this case as there is no precedent here. A lot of work has been put into the evaluation of this material. During the appraisal process I received the council of several fine members of our community. One member, Greg R. was very helpful in crystallizing my thoughts in the final appraisal and I publically thank him for his input (for those who don't know Greg he's a recently retired Federal Anti-Terrorist guy). As all of you know, all appraisals are an opinion of value. A good appraisal is one that backs the resultant opinion with facts and records. In some cases value is not limited to dollars alone. To this end we have tried to be as thorough as possible. It is my understanding that guilt has already been established. It is now the responsibility of the US Attorney General's Office to present all data to the residing Federal Judge to determine the magnitude of the crime. Perhaps our List member Eric T. can speak more on the 'mechanics of the process. When all is said and done I'll post the appraisal details and proceedings on this list (unless for some reason I'm prohibited from doing so.) For my end this has consumed a huge amount of time. What a way to start the new year! But lucky me, I'll be paid $42.00 a day for my time away. That will get me about 10 grams of Cape York from Walter B. (minus the case). Russ Kempton New England Meteoritical www.meteorlab.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites
Hello List, We US citizens all paid dearly for these rocks. We paid for these rocks with our tax money and can't even see them. So they are useless to the true owners, US! Tom Hi Tom, You might not be aware of it, but some of the Apollo rocks are on display in museums around the country. The one on display at the Smithsonian is set up so you can actually touch the rock. Also, there are educational disks available for loan to educators and teachers, which includes both the Apollo rocks and Antarctic meteorites: http://www-curator.jsc.nasa.gov/curator/lunar/samreq/disks.htm Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Let's see what will make someone in Washington happy with a sentence to match his crime? Was it as bad as murder? nah! Did he create permanent damage to anybody? nah! Has the stolen matter been recovered? don't know. Is he a terrorist..probably not. What is his crime?.he's stupid, he's studied in our society how to be a crook, and there are at times no consequences. What do we do with him? What would make everybody happy? Tie him to a metal detector and have him search a known strewn field in IOWA in the dead of winter and the proceeds to Meteorite Central. Might take him years. Feed him based on his gram recovery vs food ratio. Bill Mason - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites Assuming that the sentence will be comensurate with the material's value, i.e., the higher the value the stiffer the sentence, then the poor bastards are doomed. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] highly weathered chondrites
UmSure. (pardon the belated response.) Concerning the pic you sent of the highly coroded chondrite, I say yes. It's exactly that...or a clump of lawn ferlilizer. (your'e supposed to laugh.) Well, concerning the crystaline material, it may just be build-up of terrestrial mineral which has formed on the exterior of your specimem. I mean, in order for this meteorite to have suffered such extensive corosion, it must have been lying undisturbed for millinium...long enough for earthly mineral deposites to materialize. I doubt that you would find such material within the virgin matrix of your specimin. Rand Kluge. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello List, We US citizens all paid dearly for these rocks. We paid for these rocks with our tax money and can't even see them. So they are useless to the true owners, US! Tom Grissom, White and Chaffee paid for them with the lives. -Walter Walter Branch, Ph.D. 322 Stephenson Save., Suite B Savannah, GA 31405 www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: walter branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites Hello List, We US citizens all paid dearly for these rocks. We paid for these rocks with our tax money and can't even see them. So they are useless to the true owners, US! Tom walter branch wrote: of Cape York from Walter B. (minus the case). Now, Russ. For you, you know I would throw in the case for free :-) -Walter Walter Branch, Ph.D. 322 Stephenson Save., Suite B Savannah, GA 31405 www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: LabNEMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites John S./ List Members: I've been retained by the OIG and USAG on this case and am currently under a US Federal Subpoena to appear. We did the Appraisal on the samples contained within the safe stolen from JSC. (Sorry, OIG is the US Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, USAG is the US Attorney General's Office, and JSC is Johnson Space Center in Texas) I'm restricted as to what I can say on the value and how we did it but was told that the Defense claims that these are just a bunch of rocks. To say that they're just a bunch of rocks is certainly minimizing here. The material contained in that safe was extraordinary. The word unique, which expresses an absolute, fails to adequately describe the contents. I agree with Geoff C. in that US Collectors understand the legality of US citizens owning Apollo Return Samples and perhaps the people who had the contents also knew this as they were attempting to sell the material through foreign buyers. A lot of time has been put into this case as there is no precedent here. A lot of work has been put into the evaluation of this material. During the appraisal process I received the council of several fine members of our community. One member, Greg R. was very helpful in crystallizing my thoughts in the final appraisal and I publically thank him for his input (for those who don't know Greg he's a recently retired Federal Anti-Terrorist guy). As all of you know, all appraisals are an opinion of value. A good appraisal is one that backs the resultant opinion with facts and records. In some cases value is not limited to dollars alone. To this end we have tried to be as thorough as possible. It is my understanding that guilt has already been established. It is now the responsibility of the US Attorney General's Office to present all data to the residing Federal Judge to determine the magnitude of the crime. Perhaps our List member Eric T. can speak more on the 'mechanics of the process. When all is said and done I'll post the appraisal details and proceedings on this list (unless for some reason I'm prohibited from doing so.) For my end this has consumed a huge amount of time. What a way to start the new year! But lucky me, I'll be paid $42.00 a day for my time away. That will get me about 10 grams of Cape York from Walter B. (minus the case). Russ Kempton New England Meteoritical www.meteorlab.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites
Hi Tom and list, It is my believe and opinion that America, its tax payers benefited greatly from this sound investment of going to the moon. The computer you are typing on now is one such spin off and there are hundreds of more spin-offs not to mention the Lunar Samples that were returned. The Apollo Program didn't cost us, it paid us with knowledge and technology. I don't know where you live or how close you are to a space museum but I have seen several dozens of lunar samples over the years, perhaps as many as a hundred specimens. I have helped a curator, unvault a fairly large sample and place it in the protective case but got to hold the triangular encasement and look at the sample real close up and appreciate it in all its glory. I have seen many samples in the nice little plastic encasements that are used with microscopes that are on loan to those wanting to display, study samples. We have even had samples loan through a teacher (who had credentials to get this material) in our relatively small town. A trip to the Smithsonian will allow you to see lunar samples. I'm not really a pro-NASA supporter (neither am I against) but considering how small of a piece of the pie they got in the Apollo era to do what they did, I wish all of our government agencies could run as effectively as NASA did at that time. We would get a 90% refund check each year! --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: stolen lunar meteorites
These four individuals should indeed serve a very long time in prison. Not so much for their crime, but for their own protection. I would be hard-pressed to think up a more stupid crime than to steal material like this. Its value is zero unless it can be authenticated, and yet authentication invites immediate conviction and imprisonment! Not only that, but they advertised it _on_the_internet_. What, did they think that the internet in Europe is somehow different than the internet in the United States? This also begs the question: How did these idiots ever get internship positions at NASA? Oy Vey! - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar rocks
Hi Mark and all, One great place by you that has Moon Rocks is Hutchison, Kansas at the Space Center. It to me was out in the middle of no where but boy what a display they have there and it serves that area of the country well as it is a reasonable drive by many large cities in that area. Best! --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] the other planets
Can you imagine what would happen, if we got lucky enough, to come in contact with rocks from some of the other planets? What if we had these and some moron tried to steal those? What kind of price would we put on those? Heaven only knows. just an opinoin from chicagoSteve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107 The midwest meteorite collector! I.M.C.A. member #6728 Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.comDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites
Hello Al and List, If we could decide where are tax money went, I would send mine to NASA! Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the I.M.C.A. #6168 From: almitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 19:50:40 -0500 Hi Tom and list, It is my believe and opinion that America, its tax payers benefited greatly from this sound investment of going to the moon. The computer you are typing on now is one such spin off and there are hundreds of more spin-offs not to mention the Lunar Samples that were returned. The Apollo Program didn't cost us, it paid us with knowledge and technology. I don't know where you live or how close you are to a space museum but I have seen several dozens of lunar samples over the years, perhaps as many as a hundred specimens. I have helped a curator, unvault a fairly large sample and place it in the protective case but got to hold the triangular encasement and look at the sample real close up and appreciate it in all its glory. I have seen many samples in the nice little plastic encasements that are used with microscopes that are on loan to those wanting to display, study samples. We have even had samples loan through a teacher (who had credentials to get this material) in our relatively small town. A trip to the Smithsonian will allow you to see lunar samples. I'm not really a pro-NASA supporter (neither am I against) but considering how small of a piece of the pie they got in the Apollo era to do what they did, I wish all of our government agencies could run as effectively as NASA did at that time. We would get a 90% refund check each year! --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] stolen lunar meteorites
They should plead insanity: An exteme case of Meteorititis Psychosis. Howard Wu With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs
[meteorite-list] Identity of white spheroids in rock
Hi Mohamed and Happy New Year, I just had a moment to check out your latest images. Good news: I can tell you what those little white spheroids are in your rock: oolites. I found one of these myself on a dry lake (pleistocene) and was quite intrigued. After much research, I discovered that I had an oolitic limestone. If you should cut one of these little white spheroids in half, you'll discover that it consists of dozens of concentric layers -- like an onion. Keep at it -- put enough hours in the field and you can't help but find a meteorite. Cheers, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Identity of white spheroids in rock
I once bought a polished oolite when I was told they were fossil fish eggs. I've since learned they are just named after eggs. They docertainly look like petrified fishbait. Nothing meteortie at all. Howard Wu "Matson, Robert" lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: Hi Mohamed and Happy New Year,I just had a moment to check out your latest images. Good news: I cantell you what those little white spheroids are in your rock: oolites.I found one of these myself on a dry lake (pleistocene) and was quiteintrigued. After much research, I discovered that I had an ooliticlimestone.If you should cut one of these little white spheroids in half, you'lldiscover that it consists of dozens of concentric layers -- likean onion.Keep at it -- put enough hours in the field and you can't help butfind a meteorite.Cheers,Rob__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listWith Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs
[meteorite-list] Kansas Cosmosphere Space Center
Hello Al and list, Al wrote: One great place by you that has Moon Rocks is Hutchison, Kansas at the Space Center. It to me was out in the middle of no where but boy what a display they have there and it serves that area of the country well as it is a reasonable drive by many large cities in that area. Best! You are referring to the Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center, locally it is known as the Cosmosphere. http://www.cosmo.org/ Haven't been there since I have been interested in meteorites so I totally forgot their moon display. I agree it is kind of a strange place for them to build but it is very nice. They have many full scale models including a Space Shuttle and a lunar lander. They also have lots of real stuff such as the largest display of launch rockets from countries all over the world, which includes one from Japan. As a kid it was the place you could get freeze dried ice-cream. The Cosmosphere films are always well done and very enjoyable, so if anyone is ever in the middle of nowhere Kansas.:-) I highly recommend a visit. Mark Wichita, Kansas (.maybe 30 miles? southeast of Hutchison.) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
