Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g

[Jeff Kuyken]

The one on the left is NWA 904 and right is NWA 869! Or was that the other
way around!?!?! ;-)

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
I.M.C.A. #3085
www.meteorites.com.au



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> > Sorta looks like NWA869 to me.
>
>far from this Dean. Maybe this is not that big different from NWA869 as my
>NWA1906 from Mike NWA1906 :-D but this is for sure not the same meteorite.

http://img106.exs.cx/img106/764/869and904.jpg
one of the slices in that photo is a piece of 904 from the hupes, the other
is a piece of 869 from dean. both great hunks of meteorite... wanna guess
what one is what?


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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g

[Michael Farmer]

Guys, I too have seen thousands of kilos of these meteorites.
THEY ARE THE SAME!
It is also NWA 787.
I had the first number, NWA 787, then every time I returned to Morocco, more 
and more came out, Dean got his classified, Greg and Adam got their 
classified etc.
The classes may vary as this is one of if not the largest known stony 
meteorite on the planet, and certainly has variation within the mass which 
can be found in the fragments.
Mike Farmer
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> Sorta looks like NWA869 to me.
far from this Dean. Maybe this is not that big different from NWA869 as my
NWA1906 from Mike NWA1906 :-D but this is for sure not the same meteorite.
http://img106.exs.cx/img106/764/869and904.jpg
one of the slices in that photo is a piece of 904 from the hupes, the 
other is a piece of 869 from dean. both great hunks of meteorite... wanna 
guess what one is what?

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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g

[stan .]

> Sorta looks like NWA869 to me.
far from this Dean. Maybe this is not that big different from NWA869 as my
NWA1906 from Mike NWA1906 :-D but this is for sure not the same meteorite.
http://img106.exs.cx/img106/764/869and904.jpg
one of the slices in that photo is a piece of 904 from the hupes, the other 
is a piece of 869 from dean. both great hunks of meteorite... wanna guess 
what one is what?

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Re: [meteorite-list] The Soggy-Bottom Boys

[DNAndrews]

I think this gets my vote for "Post of the Week!  Thanks to Dave for 
offering to share his Soggy Bottom-Boggy-Bottom meteorites with us.  
I have personally seen these wonderful stones and can attest to their 
pedigree...they are real Soggy-Boggy-Bottoms.

Uh.speaking of that EX of yours Dave.uhdo you 
have a phone number for her;-) 

No prob Juanit's:  666-666-just leave a massage.  ;-)  
"May the Creek be with You!" 
Incidentally, all my meteorites ( er.uhriver rocks), are 
guaranteed to have a Neon Flux value of -1.6 Nfx.  That means that the 
solar/stellar grain value guarantees that they all have seen a bit on 
sunshine in their lifetime.  All of my terrestrial stones are so "clean" 
that NASA wanted to know how I kept all terrestrial impurities out of my 
Soggy-Bottom Stones.  Well, that's a question only George W. himself can 
answer...maybe Joel Warren if we are lucky.  NASA brought all of their 
stones back to Earth using a clean capsule, but we found our CRAP 
(Chondrule Rampant Anal Peridot) lying in a wash and is much freer from 
contamination than those from the NASA ventures which cost billiions of 
dollars.  Ours were there for a few billion years prior soaking in a 
"slight" Texas sewage mixture just for the taking...AKA...Soggy Creek. 
Absolutely pristene and free from all contaminants.  There are NO 
contaminants from our water source either terrestrial or 
extra-terrestrial.  The stellar grains (which we are numero uno in 
search engines)  specifically states that these River Rocks are from 
some other place other than Texas.  Therefore they must be lunar or 
martian since we are the neon isotope of the UNITED STATES OF TEXAS!!!

Dino De La Russa
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[meteorite-list] Fw: 40% Off Sale Today Only! BUY IT NOW ITEMS...

[Michael Cottingham]

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Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:01 PM
Subject: 40% Off Sale Today Only! BUY IT NOW ITEMS...


Hello,

Here is a late night/ early morning SALE. Today Only I am offering 40% off
of any BUY IT NOW items at my ebay store.

Go To:

http://www.stores.ebay.com/voyagebotanicanaturalhistory

Use the Buy it now feature, go to Paypal and use [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
manual deduct 40% off the Buy it now price.  Some folks have trouble with
this...just do a manual invoice and site the item.

Thanks & Best Wishes

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Re: [meteorite-list] The Soggy-Bottom Boys

[DNAndrews]

JKGwilliam wrote:
I think this gets my vote for "Post of the Week!  Thanks to Dave for 
offering to share his Soggy Bottom-Boggy-Bottom meteorites with us.  I 
have personally seen these wonderful stones and can attest to their 
pedigree...they are real Soggy-Boggy-Bottoms.

Uh.speaking of that EX of yours Dave.uhdo you 
have a phone number for her;-) 
No prob Juanit's:  666-666-just leave a massage.  ;-)  "May 
the Creek be with You!"

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Re: [meteorite-list] The Soggy-Bottom Boys

[JKGwilliam]

I think this gets my vote for "Post of the Week!  Thanks to Dave for 
offering to share his Soggy Bottom-Boggy-Bottom meteorites with us.  I have 
personally seen these wonderful stones and can attest to their 
pedigree...they are real Soggy-Boggy-Bottoms.

Uh.speaking of that EX of yours Dave.uhdo you have 
a phone number for her;-)

JKG
At 10:14 PM 11/23/2004, DNAndrews wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When you think one or more of our list members is a "a little bit off or 
just plain whacky", then think again when one compares such folks to the 
seller, buyer and believers of this crap.
I'm usually just a lurker, but all this "Soggy-Boggy-Bottom" Meteorite 
stuff has me in an uproar.  Maybe they want to just share a 
"gopher-on-a-stick" or sing into a can .  It just makes me just want to 
know why exactly they are here on this list cramming their crapola down 
our throat.  Stellar grainswhat rock doesn't have those.  For any 
"Soggy-Bottom Meteorites"...just come to my house.  I have an entire 
backyard full of those critters and would very much like to get rid of 
them.  Come on and haul them off at NO charge. My EX expected me to 
landscape the backyard with all these Martian and Lunar wonders, but she 
left and...oh wellnever got done.  Now they are taking up room for OUR 
garden and I'll give them all away for free  No 
million-dollars-per-gramabsolutely free.  Get them out of my yard and 
they are yours for FREE  No offer refused...

Can we get back on track to METEORITES instead of who has the best eBay 
rating and talking about RIVER rocks!?!?!?!?!?!  That's exactly what the 
Soggy-Bottom-Boys are sellingcommon river rocks.
For me and Bernd
Dave (Might as well sue me too shisters )

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: New IIICD Iron Meteorite Available!

[Michael Farmer]

Congrats John, that is one beautiful iron! 
Mike
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: New IIICD Iron Meteorite Available!


Hello Everyone! We are happy to announce a NEW Saharan Iron-NWA 2677 
(prov.)! This exceptional little iron is a new, and particularily 
beautiful iron from the Saharan desert. It has been provisionally 
classified as a IIICD (it appears to group closely to the IAB subclass 
LM). Classification data will be submitted to the Nom. Com. shortly. 
Saharan irons are rare and this one is particularly rare with a total 
known weight prior to cutting of just 100 grams. After accounting for 
the 21 grams being donated to Science as type specimens and cutting 
losses, there are only about 60-65 grams available for collectors. This 
lovely little iron has moderately high nickel content of 12.8% and is 
quite stable. It has a very attractive etch! Please feel free to check 
out the photos!

-John & Dawn
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Re: [meteorite-list] The Soggy-Bottom Boys

[DNAndrews]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When you think one or more of our list members is a "a little bit off or just plain 
whacky", then think again when one compares such folks to the seller, buyer and 
believers of this crap.
I'm usually just a lurker, but all this "Soggy-Boggy-Bottom" Meteorite 
stuff has me in an uproar.  Maybe they want to just share a 
"gopher-on-a-stick" or sing into a can .  It just makes me just want to 
know why exactly they are here on this list cramming their crapola down 
our throat.  Stellar grainswhat rock doesn't have those.  For any 
"Soggy-Bottom Meteorites"...just come to my house.  I have an entire 
backyard full of those critters and would very much like to get rid of 
them.  Come on and haul them off at NO charge. My EX expected me to 
landscape the backyard with all these Martian and Lunar wonders, but she 
left and...oh wellnever got done.  Now they are taking up room for 
OUR garden and I'll give them all away for free  No 
million-dollars-per-gramabsolutely free.  Get them out of my yard 
and they are yours for FREE  No offer refused...

Can we get back on track to METEORITES instead of who has the best eBay 
rating and talking about RIVER rocks!?!?!?!?!?!  That's exactly what the 
Soggy-Bottom-Boys are sellingcommon river rocks. 

For me and Bernd
Dave (Might as well sue me too shisters )
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[meteorite-list] Last chance...

[Michael Farmer]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2287054755
My god people, let this go for less than many chondrites go for? 
Unreal. 
Bid Bid, did I mention that it is an ACHONDRITE, not junk!

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[meteorite-list] Another NWA 1929 scam/ problem

[Michael Farmer]

http://www.islandmeteorite.com/pages/nwa-1929-28.1.htm
I guess Geoff Cintron did not read last weeks fight about stolen/false 
meteorite numbers.
He didnt even get the type right on my meteorite.
This mess is more widespread than I thought.
Mike Farmer 

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[meteorite-list] Ad: New IIICD Iron Meteorite Available!

[John Birdsell]

Hello Everyone! We are happy to announce a NEW Saharan Iron-NWA 2677 
(prov.)! This exceptional little iron is a new, and particularily 
beautiful iron from the Saharan desert. It has been provisionally 
classified as a IIICD (it appears to group closely to the IAB subclass 
LM). Classification data will be submitted to the Nom. Com. shortly. 
Saharan irons are rare and this one is particularly rare with a total 
known weight prior to cutting of just 100 grams. After accounting for 
the 21 grams being donated to Science as type specimens and cutting 
losses, there are only about 60-65 grams available for collectors. This 
lovely little iron has moderately high nickel content of 12.8% and is 
quite stable. It has a very attractive etch! Please feel free to check 
out the photos!

-John & Dawn
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g

[Comcast Mail]

Ouch,

Adam thats some sloppy work my friend. Maybe we all need to take a look at
the meteorites we bought from you.Who knows what we really got ??
Maybe you should spend more time going over your work than bragging on the
list

BE
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MASS 1, 968g


> Hi Marcin,
>
> The picture of the slice you took sure looks like NWA 904 to me.  If it
> indeed has paperwork stating it is NWA 787, obviously a mistake has been
> made.  Send back the old ID card or scan it and we will provide you with
the
> correct one.  We have sold over 10,000 specimens so it possible to make
> mistakes.  The key is to correct them when found.
>
> All the best,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Meteoryt.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice,MAIN
> MASS 1, 968g
>
>
> > > Sorta looks like NWA869 to me.
> >
> > far from this Dean. Maybe this is not that big different from NWA869 as
my
> > NWA1906 from Mike NWA1906 :-D but this is for sure not the same
meteorite.
> >
> >
> > Becouse Adam usualy make more nicest photos and to not saying something
> > without proofs, here it is:
> > http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/nwa787_191a.jpg
> > This 3 red big inclusions comes from center to bottom is the same comes
> from
> > top to center on Adams NWA904. Also top right corner of my piece is
> broken,
> > the same as bottom right of Adams NWA904.
> > http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/nwa787_191b.jpg
> > other side and true mirrior polishing :)))
> >
> > Its not the most importand thing that I need to Know now. Im just little
> > curious :))
> > Also maybe this will help to sell this beautifull endpiece.
> >
> > And no thanks Dean, I dont want NWA869. You just make to big flood of
this
> > on ebay to have still a hope for find a client for this meteorite. :)))
> >
> > I better make a profit here and advertise my Beautifull BJURBOLE L/LL4
> fresh
> > 105 old Finish Fall
> > http://www.polandmet.com/_bjurbole.htm
> >
> > -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g

[Adam Hupe]

Hi Marcin,

The picture of the slice you took sure looks like NWA 904 to me.  If it
indeed has paperwork stating it is NWA 787, obviously a mistake has been
made.  Send back the old ID card or scan it and we will provide you with the
correct one.  We have sold over 10,000 specimens so it possible to make
mistakes.  The key is to correct them when found.

All the best,

Adam



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MASS 1, 968g


> > Sorta looks like NWA869 to me.
>
> far from this Dean. Maybe this is not that big different from NWA869 as my
> NWA1906 from Mike NWA1906 :-D but this is for sure not the same meteorite.
>
>
> Becouse Adam usualy make more nicest photos and to not saying something
> without proofs, here it is:
> http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/nwa787_191a.jpg
> This 3 red big inclusions comes from center to bottom is the same comes
from
> top to center on Adams NWA904. Also top right corner of my piece is
broken,
> the same as bottom right of Adams NWA904.
> http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/nwa787_191b.jpg
> other side and true mirrior polishing :)))
>
> Its not the most importand thing that I need to Know now. Im just little
> curious :))
> Also maybe this will help to sell this beautifull endpiece.
>
> And no thanks Dean, I dont want NWA869. You just make to big flood of this
> on ebay to have still a hope for find a client for this meteorite. :)))
>
> I better make a profit here and advertise my Beautifull BJURBOLE L/LL4
fresh
> 105 old Finish Fall
> http://www.polandmet.com/_bjurbole.htm
>
> -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g

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> Sorta looks like NWA869 to me.

far from this Dean. Maybe this is not that big different from NWA869 as my
NWA1906 from Mike NWA1906 :-D but this is for sure not the same meteorite.


Becouse Adam usualy make more nicest photos and to not saying something
without proofs, here it is:
http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/nwa787_191a.jpg
This 3 red big inclusions comes from center to bottom is the same comes from
top to center on Adams NWA904. Also top right corner of my piece is broken,
the same as bottom right of Adams NWA904.
http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/nwa787_191b.jpg
other side and true mirrior polishing :)))

Its not the most importand thing that I need to Know now. Im just little
curious :))
Also maybe this will help to sell this beautifull endpiece.

And no thanks Dean, I dont want NWA869. You just make to big flood of this
on ebay to have still a hope for find a client for this meteorite. :)))

I better make a profit here and advertise my Beautifull BJURBOLE L/LL4 fresh
105 old Finish Fall
http://www.polandmet.com/_bjurbole.htm

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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g

[Adam Hupe]

Dean,

Why would I compare it an unofficial meteorite?  NWA 869 is not even a
NomCom recognized number.  Your right, let somebody more qualified than
yourself make pairing judgements.

All the best,

Adam



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> Sorta looks like NWA869 to me.
> Buy hey. Those pairings are s hard to
> figure out. And since I havent studied a thin section
> in detail with expensive equipment and 3 PHDs and am
> solely basing my opinion only on having seen about
> 1600 kilos of this stuff, I am probably not that
> qualified to make an opinion on pairing.
> Your friendly neighbourhood frozen in Canadian
> DEAN
> PS:
> Want more? 15 cents a gram. All that you want. Just
> paypal to this email address. I will cover the
> postage.
> >
>
> --- Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > h, they are very similar. "collection in a
> > slice" that must be why I
> > get 15 cents a gram for my 787, and they get 1 $ or
> > more a gram for theirs.
> > Marketing...
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> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
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> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:06 PM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite,
> > Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS
> > 1, 968g
> >
> >
> > > Im confused.
> > > Is NWA 904 L5 paired with NWA787 L6 ?
> > >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2288230208&rd=1
> > >
> > > Becouse I have 191g slice from THIS endpiece
> > purchased as NWA787 L6 from
> > > Hupes in 06.2002.
> > > I mean not slice from somewhere on endpiece but
> > NEXT slice from this
> > > cutted
> > > surface with the same pattern and inclusions
> > positions. I recognize this
> > > becouse its one of the best chondrite slices I
> > have.
> > >
> > > So what it is at least? 904 or 787 ? L5 or L6 ?
> > >
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[meteorite-list] Cassini Shows Grandeur of Two Saturn Moons

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Image Advisory: 2004-278  November 23, 2004

Cassini Shows Grandeur of Two Saturn Moons

New views of  two of  Saturn's moons, Titan and Tethys,
represent the most detailed look at these moons to date and
show a sharp contrast between them -- one is foggy and one is
cratered.

The Cassini spacecraft captured the puzzle pieces for the full-disc
view of the mysterious Titan during its first close encounter on
Oct. 26, 2004. The mosaic comprises nine images taken at distances
ranging from 650,000 kilometers (400,000 miles) to 300,000
kilometers (200,000 miles).

The pictures are available at http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov ,
http://www.nasa.gov/cassini and http://ciclops.org .

The images that make up the mosaic were processed to reduce
effects of the atmosphere and to sharpen surface features. The
mosaic of images has been trimmed to show only the illuminated
surface and not the atmosphere around the edge of the moon.
The Sun was behind Cassini, so nearly the full disc was
illuminated.  South polar clouds are seen at the bottom.

Surface features are best seen near the center of the moon.
The surface features become fuzzier toward the outside of the
image, where the spacecraft is peering through more haze.  The
brighter region on the right side near the equator is named
Xanadu Regio.  Scientists are debating what processes may have
created the bizarre surface brightness patterns seen there.
Titan's lack of obvious craters is a hint of a young surface.
However, the exact nature of that activity, whether tectonic,
wind-blown, river-related, marine or volcanic, is still
unknown.

Two days after the close encounter with icy Titan, Cassini
captured the images used in the mosaic of the battered and
cratered moon Tethys.  The result is the best-ever natural
color view of Titan.

As seen here, the surface of Tethys has a neutral hue. Three
images form this natural color composite.  The mosaic reveals
a world nearly saturated with craters -- many small craters
lie on top of older, larger ones, suggesting an ancient
surface. Grooves can be seen at the top and along the boundary
between day and night.

Tethys is known to have a density very close to that of water,
indicating that it is likely composed mainly of water ice.
Its frozen mysteries await Cassini's planned close flyby in
September 2005.

The images to create this mosaic were taken on Oct. 28, 2004,
at a distance of about 256,000 kilometers (159,000 miles) from
Tethys.  This view shows the trailing hemisphere of Tethys,
which is the side opposite the moon's direction of motion in
its orbit.

Both images were taken with the narrow angle camera onboard
the Cassini spacecraft.  The Cassini-Huygens mission is a
cooperative project of NASA, the European Space Agency and the
Italian Space Agency.  The Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a
division of the California Institute of Technology in
Pasadena, manages the Cassini-Huygens mission for NASA's
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C.  The Cassini
orbiter and its two onboard cameras were designed, developed
and assembled at JPL. The imaging team is based at the Space
Science Institute, Boulder, Colo.

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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g

[dean bessey]

Sorta looks like NWA869 to me. 
Buy hey. Those pairings are s hard to
figure out. And since I havent studied a thin section
in detail with expensive equipment and 3 PHDs and am
solely basing my opinion only on having seen about
1600 kilos of this stuff, I am probably not that
qualified to make an opinion on pairing.
Your friendly neighbourhood frozen in Canadian
DEAN
PS:
Want more? 15 cents a gram. All that you want. Just
paypal to this email address. I will cover the
postage.
>

--- Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> h, they are very similar. "collection in a
> slice" that must be why I 
> get 15 cents a gram for my 787, and they get 1 $ or
> more a gram for theirs.
> Marketing...
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Meteoryt.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:06 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite,
> Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS 
> 1, 968g
> 
> 
> > Im confused.
> > Is NWA 904 L5 paired with NWA787 L6 ?
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2288230208&rd=1
> >
> > Becouse I have 191g slice from THIS endpiece
> purchased as NWA787 L6 from
> > Hupes in 06.2002.
> > I mean not slice from somewhere on endpiece but
> NEXT slice from this 
> > cutted
> > surface with the same pattern and inclusions
> positions. I recognize this
> > becouse its one of the best chondrite slices I
> have.
> >
> > So what it is at least? 904 or 787 ? L5 or L6 ?
> >
> > -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
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[meteorite-list] Re: NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g

[Adam Hupe]

You must be mistaken,

We have not sold NWA 787 for years.  This coming from somebody recently
forgiven for using false NWA numbers.  Why is that just dealers are
commenting on everything we sell.  Could it be the "J" factor?

Adam

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To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:06 PM
Subject: NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1,968g


> Im confused.
> Is NWA 904 L5 paired with NWA787 L6 ?
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2288230208&rd=1
>
> Becouse I have 191g slice from THIS endpiece purchased as NWA787 L6 from
> Hupes in 06.2002.
> I mean not slice from somewhere on endpiece but NEXT slice from this
cutted
> surface with the same pattern and inclusions positions. I recognize this
> becouse its one of the best chondrite slices I have.
>
> So what it is at least? 904 or 787 ? L5 or L6 ?
>
> -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g

[Michael Farmer]

h, they are very similar. "collection in a slice" that must be why I 
get 15 cents a gram for my 787, and they get 1 $ or more a gram for theirs.
Marketing...
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:06 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS 
1, 968g


Im confused.
Is NWA 904 L5 paired with NWA787 L6 ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2288230208&rd=1
Becouse I have 191g slice from THIS endpiece purchased as NWA787 L6 from
Hupes in 06.2002.
I mean not slice from somewhere on endpiece but NEXT slice from this 
cutted
surface with the same pattern and inclusions positions. I recognize this
becouse its one of the best chondrite slices I have.

So what it is at least? 904 or 787 ? L5 or L6 ?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - GreatBargains!

[Meteoryt.net]

> Here's the formula for figuring out if you are a good seller!
> 
> Are you selling?

No.
Correct question is:

They buying ?

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[meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g

[Meteoryt.net]

Im confused.
Is NWA 904 L5 paired with NWA787 L6 ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2288230208&rd=1

Becouse I have 191g slice from THIS endpiece purchased as NWA787 L6 from
Hupes in 06.2002.
I mean not slice from somewhere on endpiece but NEXT slice from this cutted
surface with the same pattern and inclusions positions. I recognize this
becouse its one of the best chondrite slices I have.

So what it is at least? 904 or 787 ? L5 or L6 ?

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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Fans: I'm OK, You're OK

[j . divelbiss]

When you think one or more of our list members is a "a little bit off or just 
plain whacky", then think again when one compares such folks to the seller, 
buyer and believers of this crap.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5535890757
http://goldenpalaceevents.com/other/grilledmary01.php

classified to the hilt or not?
original material or not for a given NWA number?
terrestrial or extra-terrestrial?
poor seller ratings versus good...(who cares)? 

Compare these daily issues to a question of "why does someone have a sandwich 
that is too old to eat and for sale on ebay?" versus someone's imagination of 
God's divine intervention with a vision of the Virgin Mary, and a $28,000 pay 
day for it of course.

NOW THAT IS REALLY WHACKY AND WAY OFF!  

Meteorite guys of all types and their range of strangeness are quite boring in 
comparison.

Chin up to those who have been challenged lately,

jd
 
PS I hope I didn't offend anyone ...Rosie?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -Great Bargains!

[Meteoryt.net]

> Peter, well thank you.
> I try to keep everyone happy, and I don't screw around with shipping
costs.
> I will tell you I had a bad run of eBay buys last week.
> I bought 3 items on eBay, and 2 of the sellers  ripped me off with
shipping.
> One item was $5.99 and the seller charged me $6 shipping, sent it first
> class here in the USA for 85 cents. Not bad for the seller, MORE profit on
> the shipping scam than he made selling the item.
> The other charged me $5.00 for Priority mail (in the USA that is a faster
> mail service and the fee was correct). The problem, he sent it first class
> as well, again, making 90% profit on the shipping cost.
> These were not meteorites, so no worry there.
> But I see alot of meteorite sellers advertising $4.99 or $5 shipping even
> for small items.
> Come on, that is a sheer rip-off when a bubble envelope for small items or
> irons (which can not be damaged) are fine and shipping is usually about
$.49
> to $1.00.

Mike do not cry.
I buy from HongKong LED flash Lights (I pay, but still waiting for items).
3 flashs for $9.99 and Shipping 24.99$.
Another 10 items 49.99$, shipping 69.99$ :)))
I suggest him to put everything with buy it now 0.01$ and full ammount on
shipping. This will be more simple to count real price to buyers :)))

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[meteorite-list] This is it, in two hours the ebay items start ending

[Michael Farmer]

Several of them are from my collection, some have been there for years.
Over $10,000 in meteorites up for one cent.
Some items of note:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2287054755
First and foremost, a complete 362.8 gram Howardite or Eucrite,
unclassified, individual, so nice it is a tragedy to cut.  Thousands of $$$
up for one cent, high bidder take all.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2287095083
The best oriented Sikhote-Alin I have seen in a long while, nothing but flow
lines.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2287064418
La Criolla, complete 44 gram individual from Bob Haag himself.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2287057086
Zagora, silicated iron!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2287104105
Seymchan, superb etched slice.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2287052795
373 gram beautiful unclassified chondrite.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2287097523
11.51 gram slice of the NWA 2085 impact-melt breccia.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2287095643
Superb piece of NWA 801, looks like a galaxy of armored chondrules.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2287062490
Partslice of the UCERA meteorite fall. H5 fall from Venezuela . Very rare.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2287114071
54 gram complete Juancheng individual.
Good luck, and make sure to see the others, with 60 items, there is alot of
rare stuff in there.
Michael Farmer
See the whole list at the links below.
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?viewUserPage&userid=meteoritehunters
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteorite-hunter
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[meteorite-list] Bees Survived Dino Extinction

[Ron Baalke]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4030933.stm

Bees survived dino extinction
BBC News
November 23, 2004

New evidence shows tropical honeybees survived the post-impact winter 65
million years ago that is thought to have helped kill off the dinosaurs.

An asteroid is thought to have hit our planet at the end of the
Cretaceous Period, throwing up dust that blocked sunlight and dragged
down temperatures.

Honeybees trapped in amber before the asteroid strike are nearly
identical to their modern relatives, data shows.

Details were given at the Geological Society of America's 2004 meeting.

The asteroid or comet that created the Chicxulub impact structure in
Mexico occurs at the boundary between two geological periods: the
Cretaceous and the Tertiary.

This geological boundary marks a mass extinction that wiped out
dinosaurs and many other groups of organisms.

The finding throws up all sorts of questions, researchers say, because
current models of the post-impact winter suggest global temperatures
fell far enough to have killed off honeybees and many of the flowering
plants they lived off.

Modern tropical honeybees have an optimal temperature range of 31-34C
(88-93F) in order to maintain vital metabolic activities.

This is also the range that is best for their food source: nectar-rich
flowering plants.

Temperature sensitive

Based on what is known about the Cretaceous climate and modern tropical
honeybees, Jacqueline Kozisek of the University of New Orleans, US,
estimated that any post-impact winter event could not have dropped
temperatures more than 2-7C (4-13F) without wiping out the bees.

Current theories about the Chicxulub impact winter estimate drops of
7-12C (13-22F) - too cold for tropical honeybees.

If no modern tropical honeybee could have survived years in the dark and
cold without flowering plants, says Kozisek, something must be amiss
with the impact winter theory.

"I'm not trying to say an asteroid impact didn't happen," said Kozisek.
"I'm just trying to narrow down the effects."

Kozisek dug through the scientific literature to find out what survived
the massive extinction event.

"I made a list of all survivors and picked those with strict survival
requirements," said Kozisek.

She determined what those survival requirements were by calling on
studies of the most similar organisms living today.

She found that tropical honeybees had changed little in 65 million years.

Amber-preserved specimens of the oldest tropical honeybee Cretotrigona
prisca are almost indistinguishable from some of their modern
counterparts. This means they could even be their ancestors, researchers
think.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - GreatBargains!

[Meteoryt.net]

> Mike,
>
> A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers repeat
> business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of
positive
> feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best by far
in
> the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average a
customer
> will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who
understands
> customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important ratio in
the
> business.


Hello Adam.
Truth is that You and Mike sell most of meteorites on MET Cattegory in US
ebay. Also You Adam sell most of different meteorites so this is NOTHING
SPECIAL that You have the biggest ratio. For example maybe Finmet sells more
auctions for more money, but they sell the same maybe 10 different
meteorites so they will never do this what You just doing. And noone will
comeback to Finmet buying Sikhotes or Brahins week per week.

For example I prepare most beautifull slices from all dealers. My polishing
is the best. No cut marks, rouded edges, I polish to mirror quality also
unclassified stuff. Show me anyone who do this like me. I know this from
specimens from other dealers I have in my collections and from fairs how can
looks some pieces. But I not scream here that Im the best, becouse I'm not.
For me its importand what people will find in box when it arrive to them.
This is why I have also MANY customers who buy from me many pieces in one
time (thank You people). You can see my ebay feedbacks.

I know this is all marketing, but we are not chindrens and everyone know
that You are one of biggest dealers, so You do not need to tell it to us.



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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - GreatBargains!

[Peanut ..]

Here's the formula for figuring out if you are a good seller!

Are you selling?

Cj Lebel
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- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - 
GreatBargains!


> O Man, I must suck ass on ebay.
> I dont have hundreds of .99 cent crap for sale, nor 1000 auctions a week
> like you guys. Does it feel good to toot your own horn so often? I should
> start trying.
> Mike Farmer
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
>
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > Your ratio is less than 3 to 1.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> > Bargains!
> >
> >
> >> Adam, I know what you are talking about, but that is BULLPUCKEY, are 
> >> you
> >> telling me that you did that for every seller of meteorites?
> >> You would have to if you claim to be the best.
> >> Myself, I have a 7.1
> >> Of course it is totally flawed since most buyers who have already left
> >> feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave them, as they really do 
> >> not
> >> affect the feedback score.
> >> Any other ways to try and make it seem like you are the best seller out
> >> there?
> >> I thought you were just collectors? You sure don't try to market that
> >> way.
> >> Michael Farmer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> >> Bargains!
> >>
> >>
> >> > Mike,
> >> >
> >> > A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers
> > repeat
> >> > business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of
> >> > positive
> >> > feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best by
> > far
> >> > in
> >> > the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average a
> >> > customer
> >> > will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who
> >> > understands
> >> > customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important ratio 
> >> > in
> >> > the
> >> > business.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> > Adam Hupe
> >> > The Hupe Collection
> >> > Team LunarRock
> >> > IMCA 2185
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > - Original Message - 
> >> > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - 
> >> > Great
> >> > Bargains!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the meteorite
> >> >> and
> >> >> tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for
> > years,
> >> > and
> >> >> Ebay does not break such things down.
> >> >> That is just idiotic.
> >> >> Michael Farmer
> >> >> - Original Message - 
> >> >> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM
> >> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> >> > Bargains!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Dear List Members,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are
> >> >> > ending
> >> >> > tonight.  Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > To see these officially classified items please click on the link
> > below
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The 
> >> >> > weekly
> >> > rare
> >> >> > material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to
> > the
> >> >> > bottom of the list to see these.
> >> >> >
> >> >
> > http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link:
> >> >> >
> >> >
> > http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=raremeteorites
> >> >> >
> >> >> > True bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions because 
> >> >> > there
> >> >> > are
> >> >> > never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents.
> >> >> > Remember
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > buy with confidence because we are rated number one on ebay with a
> >> >

Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains!

[David Freeman]

Me too!
Arrr...
DF
dean bessey wrote:
I want Michael Casper back. 



--- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mike,
Always trying to get the last word in.  You start
many of your auctions out
at 1 cent. We start many out at a nearly a hundred
times greater amount, 99
cents.  If you do not realize how important this
ratio is, you should take
some courses in business management.  We are
collectors first and foremost,
and dealers secondary.  We feel it is great share
some of our discoveries, a
lot of them at a loss.  The amount we make on ebay
comes no where near the
amount needed to support our avocation.  As matter
of fact you may be happy
to hear that there is a 99% chance we will be
shutting down meteoritelab and
our weekly rare material specials in a few months so
that we can focus
full-time on our collection.
All the best,

Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of
Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!


BUT BUT BUT, you are not "DEALERS" are you Adam?
so why would those
numbers
mean anything to you?
I am just ripping on you, it is fun you know,
since I wont be able to see
you guys in Nevada.
Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of

Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!

Mike,
You brought it up.  We are only making a
legitimate claim.  Ratios
should
be
very important to anybody who deals anything.
Adam
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer"

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of
Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!

Here it is,
meteoritehunters 2.3
meteorite-hunter 2.3
meteoritelab 7.2
raremeteorites 1.6
naturesvault  1.6
The real question is who cares? Reading little
blurbs about how great
you
are is getting old to me and alot of other
people. We are all dealers.
You guys are getting more and more 

IN-Your-Face with this retarded
best
sellers (I mean Collectors)  in the business.
Adam, who really cares,
you
sell I sell we all sell.
The only thing you need advertise is your
material, nothing else.
Mike Farmer
 Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer"

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of
Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!

Mike,
Let me check your ratios and get back to you
in a few minutes.  Ebay
has
all
kinds of extended tools to check things out
and yes they do keep
track.
Adam
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer"

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets
of Auctions Ending -
Great
Bargains!

Adam, I know what you are talking about, but
that is BULLPUCKEY, are
you
telling me that you did that for every
seller of meteorites?
You would have to if you claim to be the
best.
Myself, I have a 7.1
Of course it is totally flawed since most
buyers who have already
left
feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave
them, as they really do
not
affect the feedback score.
Any other ways to try and make it seem like
you are the best seller
out
there?
I thought you were just collectors? You sure
don't try to market
that
way.
Michael Farmer

- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe"

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets
of Auctions Ending -
Great
Bargains!

Mike,
A good measure of customer satisfaction is
how many times
customers
repeat
business.  It is very simple to figure
out, divide total number of
positive
feedback by unique feedback and our ratio
is over 7 to 1, the best
by
far
in
the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This
means that on the average
a
customer
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Re: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ

[stan .]

i dont need to know who you are or what this is about to make the statement 
i did. if we are tlaking about a legal action in the american court system, 
it's agains the law for an attorney for the state to do anything beyond 
filing a freind of the court petition in civil matters. it's quite simply 
impossible that an assistant attorney general would file a motion in a civil 
suit. perod. if you would like to cite a case number and and prove me wrong, 
please by all means do. furthermore cases that are dismissed without 
prejudice still fall underther the law with regards to statutes of 
limitations for your jurisdiction. this is simple law my friend, it's not 
something that would be particular to any individual case.


From: "S. Ray DeRusse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:14:31 -0600
I think you answered your own question when you said,
"i dont know who you are or what this is about"
We worked closely with the Assistant Attorney General on certain aspects of 
the case, so you obviously don't know what you are talking about. Next time 
you might want to ask first before you jump to your conclusions. I would 
not worry about statutes or any other material detail if I were you. Its on 
the desk it needs to be on now.

Thanks,
S. Ray DeRusse and Bill Cutler
www.bccmeteorites.com
stan . wrote:
We filed a motion to dismiss without prejudice that means we can go back 
at anytime. Do you understand that? We instructed the Assistant Attorney 
General to draft it up, we signed it and filed it once two of the 
defendants came forward to spill the beans.

when you dismiss without prejudice you can NOT refile at any time, you 
still have to take action within the statute of limitations, likely 5 
years depending on what jurisdiction you are in.

last time i checked attorney generals represent the state, NOT private 
parties in civil suits.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -Great Bargains!

[Adam Hupe]

My last words on the subject.

I do not comment on other dealer's weekly advertisements and I would like
the same courtesy.  These ratios were developed over years not on a single
night's auctions.  I qualified the statement by saying  the
Meteorite/Tektite subsection, all meteoritelab sells is meteorites.  If
these numbers were not important ebay would not give sellers the tools to
monitor such things.  They would not recognize sellers with awards if these
ratios meant nothing.  The main thing is that collectors are happy with
their purchases.

All the best,


Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message - 
From: "Göran Axelsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -Great
Bargains!


> Too bad for you Peter, but that only proves that there is more than a
ratio
> to be a great seller.
>
> You must have bought one of the sets. The six meteorites sets are
seriously
> underweight but after an email there were no problem to get a discount
> proportional to the weightloss. Later on he lowered the weight of the
sets.
> Any single meteorite that I bought has been within my error of
measurement.
>
> I also bought some minerals and fossiles that I have sold on and financed
> all the meteorites I bought.
>
> One of the meteorites I got was a nice oriented NWA with a perfect lip
> around all of the edge. I tried to find somewhere I could cut a window
> into it but I can't. I will probably never see the inside of that one.
>
>:-)
>
> Sorry for your loss Bernd. I know the feeling, my boss died half a year
> ago and I still expect him to be at work when I get there.
>
> Now back to the meteorites...
>
> I got a new camera today so I will make some pictures of my two
> oriented meteorites and upload it to the meteorite gallery.
>
> ... and to the record, I too have bought meteorites from Mike Farmer,
> the Hupes, meteoritemarina and other and I'm pleased with them all.
> Every seller have their strength and weakness. Learning what and
> you will make better deals and this hobby could only get better.
>
> Oh.. there's one that is on my blacklist., Meteordealer, aka Brad
> Sampson. Three months and no meteorites!  :-(
>
> Göran
>
> Peter Marmet wrote:
>
> >Göran Axelsson wrote:
> >
> >... seen morfita recently?
> >
> >
> >Hallo Göran and list,
> >
> >yes, morfita is the guy who was adding the weight of his packing stuff to
the
> >weight of the meteorites without telling you:-(
> >I have not ordered from him ever since! I prefer to buy from real
meteorite
> >professionals like Mike Farmer and others:-)!
> >
> >Peter Marmet
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] BCC and Sales Ratios

[MexicoDoug]

Hola Bernd,

Thanks, Bernd.  I reflected on your thoughts and needed them.  I thought up 
epithets for a couple dozen list members, but then I reminded myself of what 
you said (and perhaps that I might crave a meteorite from them sometime?), and 
confidently erased them.  

Even though Adam's really and truly was the most entertaining epithet I came up 
with of all of the list members, it didn't matter at all Mike, I thought, and I 
couldn't help pitying each and every one of us squandering or otherwise our 
ephemeral existence in the present form as I look at some petrified hemitized 
Cretaceous animal fragments scattered on the floor, and hoped I could grow up 
and be one of those someday in a nicely curated institutional collection in the 
far future.  'Nuff Said!'   
Saludos, Doug

 En un mensaje con fecha 11/23/2004 3:33:45 PM Mexico Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] escribe:
Please, stop that silly talk about BCC (blind carbon copy ?)
and sales ratios,  what should, what will it lead to? More
animosities, more hate, more hate mails, ... less fun, less
potential new collectors (because they will be p... off) by
such a lot of childish pseudo-argumentation.

For heaven's sake, when I came to school this morning, I had
to cope with the sad news that one of my teacher collegues is
gone for good ... 61 years only. We talked about retiring a few
weeks ago. He was so happy he would retire in about two years
(me in about 3 or four years) and then be able to enjoy the few
days he would still be allowed to be around.

I have bought great meteorites from both parties, there have been
great deals and bargains, both parties involved in this vain struggle
have become gargantuan meteorite sellers with great items, with a
dedicated love for meteorites, ... and they are sellers! 

Think about it and enjoy what life still has to give
you because we should know (and remember) our days
are counted ... whether we like it or not ...

Bernd
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[Göran Axelsson]

Too bad for you Peter, but that only proves that there is more than a ratio
to be a great seller.
You must have bought one of the sets. The six meteorites sets are seriously
underweight but after an email there were no problem to get a discount
proportional to the weightloss. Later on he lowered the weight of the sets.
Any single meteorite that I bought has been within my error of measurement.
I also bought some minerals and fossiles that I have sold on and financed
all the meteorites I bought.
One of the meteorites I got was a nice oriented NWA with a perfect lip
around all of the edge. I tried to find somewhere I could cut a window
into it but I can't. I will probably never see the inside of that one.
  :-)
Sorry for your loss Bernd. I know the feeling, my boss died half a year
ago and I still expect him to be at work when I get there.
Now back to the meteorites...
I got a new camera today so I will make some pictures of my two
oriented meteorites and upload it to the meteorite gallery.
... and to the record, I too have bought meteorites from Mike Farmer,
the Hupes, meteoritemarina and other and I'm pleased with them all.
Every seller have their strength and weakness. Learning what and
you will make better deals and this hobby could only get better.
Oh.. there's one that is on my blacklist., Meteordealer, aka Brad
Sampson. Three months and no meteorites!  :-(
Göran
Peter Marmet wrote:
Göran Axelsson wrote:
... seen morfita recently?
Hallo Göran and list,
yes, morfita is the guy who was adding the weight of his packing stuff to the
weight of the meteorites without telling you:-(
I have not ordered from him ever since! I prefer to buy from real meteorite
professionals like Mike Farmer and others:-)!
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[meteorite-list] BCC and Sales Ratios

[bernd . pauli]

I see there is still some noise, some spattering, ... just let it 
die down ... slowly, carefully, but *definitely*,  it will go away ... ...

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - GreatBargains!

[Comcast Mail]

Bernhard,

This guy is way too busy kissing his own rearend while patting himself on
his back  to respond to your emails.

Bob Evans
Team Lunar Rocks #1 Fan
- Original Message -
From: Bernhard Rems <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Adam Hupe' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:19 PM
Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
GreatBargains!


For the facts I mentioned, I wouldn't call this a legitimate claim.
Please consider.

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Adam
Hupe
Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. November 2004 21:59
An: Michael Farmer
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
GreatBargains!

Mike,

You brought it up.  We are only making a legitimate claim.  Ratios
should be
very important to anybody who deals anything.

Adam

- Original Message -
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!


> Here it is,
> meteoritehunters 2.3
> meteorite-hunter 2.3
> meteoritelab 7.2
> raremeteorites 1.6
> naturesvault  1.6
>
> The real question is who cares? Reading little blurbs about how great
you
> are is getting old to me and alot of other people. We are all dealers.
>
> You guys are getting more and more  IN-Your-Face with this retarded
best
> sellers (I mean Collectors)  in the business. Adam, who really cares,
you
> sell I sell we all sell.
> The only thing you need advertise is your material, nothing else.
> Mike Farmer
>
>
>  Original Message -
> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
>
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > Let me check your ratios and get back to you in a few minutes.  Ebay
has
> > all
> > kinds of extended tools to check things out and yes they do keep
track.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
Great
> > Bargains!
> >
> >
> >> Adam, I know what you are talking about, but that is BULLPUCKEY,
are
you
> >> telling me that you did that for every seller of meteorites?
> >> You would have to if you claim to be the best.
> >> Myself, I have a 7.1
> >> Of course it is totally flawed since most buyers who have already
left
> >> feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave them, as they really
do
not
> >> affect the feedback score.
> >> Any other ways to try and make it seem like you are the best seller
out
> >> there?
> >> I thought you were just collectors? You sure don't try to market
that
> >> way.
> >> Michael Farmer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
Great
> >> Bargains!
> >>
> >>
> >> > Mike,
> >> >
> >> > A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times
customers
> > repeat
> >> > business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number
of
> >> > positive
> >> > feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the
best by
> > far
> >> > in
> >> > the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average
a
> >> > customer
> >> > will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who
> >> > understands
> >> > customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important
ratio
in
> >> > the
> >> > business.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> > Adam Hupe
> >> > The Hupe Collection
> >> > Team LunarRock
> >> > IMCA 2185
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > - Original Message -
> >> > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
Great
> >> > Bargains!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the
meteorite
> >> >> and
> >> >> tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller
for
> > years,
> >> > and
> >> >> Ebay does not break such things down.
> >> >> That is just idiotic.
> >> >> Michael Farmer
> >> >> - Original Message -
> >> >> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM
> >> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
Great
> >> > B

Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains!

[dean bessey]

I want Michael Casper back. 






--- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mike,
> 
> Always trying to get the last word in.  You start
> many of your auctions out
> at 1 cent. We start many out at a nearly a hundred
> times greater amount, 99
> cents.  If you do not realize how important this
> ratio is, you should take
> some courses in business management.  We are
> collectors first and foremost,
> and dealers secondary.  We feel it is great share
> some of our discoveries, a
> lot of them at a loss.  The amount we make on ebay
> comes no where near the
> amount needed to support our avocation.  As matter
> of fact you may be happy
> to hear that there is a 99% chance we will be
> shutting down meteoritelab and
> our weekly rare material specials in a few months so
> that we can focus
> full-time on our collection.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> 
> Adam Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> Team LunarRock
> IMCA 2185
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of
> Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
> 
> 
> > BUT BUT BUT, you are not "DEALERS" are you Adam?
> so why would those
> numbers
> > mean anything to you?
> > I am just ripping on you, it is fun you know,
> since I wont be able to see
> > you guys in Nevada.
> > Mike
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of
> Auctions Ending - Great
> > Bargains!
> >
> >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > You brought it up.  We are only making a
> legitimate claim.  Ratios
> should
> > > be
> > > very important to anybody who deals anything.
> > >
> > > Adam
> > >
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "Michael Farmer"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of
> Auctions Ending - Great
> > > Bargains!
> > >
> > >
> > >> Here it is,
> > >> meteoritehunters 2.3
> > >> meteorite-hunter 2.3
> > >> meteoritelab 7.2
> > >> raremeteorites 1.6
> > >> naturesvault  1.6
> > >>
> > >> The real question is who cares? Reading little
> blurbs about how great
> you
> > >> are is getting old to me and alot of other
> people. We are all dealers.
> > >>
> > >> You guys are getting more and more 
> IN-Your-Face with this retarded
> best
> > >> sellers (I mean Collectors)  in the business.
> Adam, who really cares,
> you
> > >> sell I sell we all sell.
> > >> The only thing you need advertise is your
> material, nothing else.
> > >> Mike Farmer
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Original Message - 
> > >> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> To: "Michael Farmer"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:50 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of
> Auctions Ending - Great
> > >> Bargains!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Mike,
> > >> >
> > >> > Let me check your ratios and get back to you
> in a few minutes.  Ebay
> > >> > has
> > >> > all
> > >> > kinds of extended tools to check things out
> and yes they do keep
> track.
> > >> >
> > >> > Adam
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > - Original Message - 
> > >> > From: "Michael Farmer"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM
> > >> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets
> of Auctions Ending -
> Great
> > >> > Bargains!
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> Adam, I know what you are talking about, but
> that is BULLPUCKEY, are
> > > you
> > >> >> telling me that you did that for every
> seller of meteorites?
> > >> >> You would have to if you claim to be the
> best.
> > >> >> Myself, I have a 7.1
> > >> >> Of course it is totally flawed since most
> buyers who have already
> left
> > >> >> feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave
> them, as they really do
> > > not
> > >> >> affect the feedback score.
> > >> >> Any other ways to try and make it seem like
> you are the best seller
> > >> >> out
> > >> >> there?
> > >> >> I thought you were just collectors? You sure
> don't try to market
> that
> > >> >> way.
> > >> >> Michael Farmer
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> - Original Message - 
> > >> >> From: "Adam Hupe"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> >> To: "Michael Farmer"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets
> of Auctions Ending -
> Great
> > >> >> Bargains!
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Mike,
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > A good measure of customer s

Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -Great Bargains!

[Michael Farmer]

Peter, well thank you.
I try to keep everyone happy, and I don't screw around with shipping costs.
I will tell you I had a bad run of eBay buys last week.
I bought 3 items on eBay, and 2 of the sellers  ripped me off with shipping.
One item was $5.99 and the seller charged me $6 shipping, sent it first 
class here in the USA for 85 cents. Not bad for the seller, MORE profit on 
the shipping scam than he made selling the item.
The other charged me $5.00 for Priority mail (in the USA that is a faster 
mail service and the fee was correct). The problem, he sent it first class 
as well, again, making 90% profit on the shipping cost.
These were not meteorites, so no worry there.
But I see alot of meteorite sellers advertising $4.99 or $5 shipping even 
for small items.
Come on, that is a sheer rip-off when a bubble envelope for small items or 
irons (which can not be damaged) are fine and shipping is usually about $.49 
to $1.00.
Gladly serving my eBay customers since 1996.
Mike Farmer
- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Marmet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -Great 
Bargains!


Göran Axelsson wrote:
... seen morfita recently?
Hallo Göran and list,
yes, morfita is the guy who was adding the weight of his packing stuff to 
the
weight of the meteorites without telling you:-(
I have not ordered from him ever since! I prefer to buy from real 
meteorite
professionals like Mike Farmer and others:-)!

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -Great Bargains!

[Peter Marmet]

Göran Axelsson wrote:

... seen morfita recently?


Hallo Göran and list,

yes, morfita is the guy who was adding the weight of his packing stuff to the
weight of the meteorites without telling you:-(
I have not ordered from him ever since! I prefer to buy from real meteorite
professionals like Mike Farmer and others:-)!

Peter Marmet

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[meteorite-list] Meteorite surface temperature revisited

[Matson, Robert]

On another topic, S. Ray DeRusse opined:

> We realized the level of absurdity from you and many others when
> you endlessly debated whether a meteorite fall is hot to the touch
> back in 2002. You guys endlessly debated this issue and some trained
> scientists even weighed in on the issue but only served to cloud it.
> Since ya'll never settled it let me tell you the heat generated by
> a meteorite fall is proportional to the metal content.

Incorrect.  Generated heat has little to do with the meteoroid
composition.

> That is to say the higher the metal content the hotter to the
> touch.duh.

This is a different claim and a misleading statement since it
doesn't address the question of ~why~ a meteorite with higher
metal content would be warmer to the touch (a statement which
isn't true, by the way, in all cases).  Far more important than
the metal content of a meteorite to its surface temperature
(shortly after landing) is its volume.

> That means that stony meteorites will only be warm to the
> touch whereas iron-nickel meteorites will be hot.

Small iron-nickel meteorites might be warm or even hot to the
touch; larger ones will be significantly cooler.  Stony meteorites
are much more likely to be ice-cold than warm due to significant
ablation.

Cheers,
Rob

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[meteorite-list] BCC and Sales Ratios

[bernd . pauli]

Please, stop that silly talk about BCC (blind carbon copy ?)
and sales ratios,  what should, what will it lead to? More
animosities, more hate, more hate mails, ... less fun, less
potential new collectors (because they will be p... off) by
such a lot of childish pseudo-argumentation.

For heaven's sake, when I came to school this morning, I had
to cope with the sad news that one of my teacher collegues is
gone for good ... 61 years only. We talked about retiring a few
weeks ago. He was so happy he would retire in about two years
(me in about 3 or four years) and then be able to enjoy the few
days he would still be allowed to be around.

I have bought great meteorites from both parties, there have been
great deals and bargains, both parties involved in this vain struggle
have become gargantuan meteorite sellers with great items, with a
dedicated love for meteorites, ... and they are sellers! 

Think about it and enjoy what life still has to give
you because we should know (and remember) our days
are counted ... whether we like it or not ...

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] BCC meteorwrongs

[MarkF]

Hey David
It also helps find marbles, just ask tuttles
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From: "David Freeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Matson, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BCC meteorwrongs


Dear Robert;
Maybe they need some "magic fairy dust" from the fairies and struck 
ones!  I sell such a magic fairy dust.  
DISCLAIMER: Magic fairy dust does not cure ailments, or make things into 
what they are not. It does make those that use it feel more happy at 
knowing that they have participated in some form of faith 
healing/transformation which is recommended by none other than Dr. Phil.
Very best,
Dave Freeman
also known as a "faith healer of rocks"

Matson, Robert wrote:
Mr. DeRusse and Mr. Cutler,
Irrespective of what any court might decide, no amount of litigation
involving absurd claims of conspiracy will magically convert your earth
rocks into meteorites, lunar or otherwise.
Regards,
Rob Matson
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains!

[Göran Axelsson]

I guess you should tone it down ... seen morfita recently?
2206 positive with 44589 total feedbacks. That makes a ratio of
over 20 positives per customer.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=morfita
And yes, he sells meteorites too. I got a box full of meteorites
and other minerals from him today.
I guess that makes you the second greatest seller then?
Now I'm going to put on a pot of tea and start unpack my new meteorites.
:-)
/Göran
Adam Hupe wrote:
Mike,
You brought it up.  We are only making a legitimate claim.  Ratios should be
very important to anybody who deals anything.
Adam
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!

 

Here it is,
meteoritehunters 2.3
meteorite-hunter 2.3
meteoritelab 7.2
raremeteorites 1.6
naturesvault  1.6
The real question is who cares? Reading little blurbs about how great you
are is getting old to me and alot of other people. We are all dealers.
You guys are getting more and more  IN-Your-Face with this retarded best
sellers (I mean Collectors)  in the business. Adam, who really cares, you
sell I sell we all sell.
The only thing you need advertise is your material, nothing else.
Mike Farmer
 Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!

   

Mike,
Let me check your ratios and get back to you in a few minutes.  Ebay has
all
kinds of extended tools to check things out and yes they do keep track.
Adam
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!

 

Adam, I know what you are talking about, but that is BULLPUCKEY, are
   

you
 

telling me that you did that for every seller of meteorites?
You would have to if you claim to be the best.
Myself, I have a 7.1
Of course it is totally flawed since most buyers who have already left
feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave them, as they really do
   

not
 

affect the feedback score.
Any other ways to try and make it seem like you are the best seller out
there?
I thought you were just collectors? You sure don't try to market that
way.
Michael Farmer

- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!

   

Mike,
A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers
 

repeat
 

business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of
positive
feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best by
 

far
 

in
the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average a
customer
will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who
understands
customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important ratio
 

in
 

the
business.
Regards,

Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
 

Great
 

Bargains!
 

Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the meteorite
and
tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for
   

years,
 

and
 

Ebay does not break such things down.
That is just idiotic.
Michael Farmer
- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
   

Bargains!
 

   

Dear List Members,
Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are
ending
tonight.  Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents.
To see these officially classified items please click on the link
 

below
 

and
go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The
 

weekly
 

rare
 

material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to
 

the
 

bottom of the list to see these.
 

http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab
 

And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link:
 

http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISA

Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains!

[Adam Hupe]

Mike,

Always trying to get the last word in.  You start many of your auctions out
at 1 cent. We start many out at a nearly a hundred times greater amount, 99
cents.  If you do not realize how important this ratio is, you should take
some courses in business management.  We are collectors first and foremost,
and dealers secondary.  We feel it is great share some of our discoveries, a
lot of them at a loss.  The amount we make on ebay comes no where near the
amount needed to support our avocation.  As matter of fact you may be happy
to hear that there is a 99% chance we will be shutting down meteoritelab and
our weekly rare material specials in a few months so that we can focus
full-time on our collection.

All the best,


Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!


> BUT BUT BUT, you are not "DEALERS" are you Adam? so why would those
numbers
> mean anything to you?
> I am just ripping on you, it is fun you know, since I wont be able to see
> you guys in Nevada.
> Mike
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
>
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > You brought it up.  We are only making a legitimate claim.  Ratios
should
> > be
> > very important to anybody who deals anything.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> > Bargains!
> >
> >
> >> Here it is,
> >> meteoritehunters 2.3
> >> meteorite-hunter 2.3
> >> meteoritelab 7.2
> >> raremeteorites 1.6
> >> naturesvault  1.6
> >>
> >> The real question is who cares? Reading little blurbs about how great
you
> >> are is getting old to me and alot of other people. We are all dealers.
> >>
> >> You guys are getting more and more  IN-Your-Face with this retarded
best
> >> sellers (I mean Collectors)  in the business. Adam, who really cares,
you
> >> sell I sell we all sell.
> >> The only thing you need advertise is your material, nothing else.
> >> Mike Farmer
> >>
> >>
> >>  Original Message - 
> >> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:50 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> >> Bargains!
> >>
> >>
> >> > Mike,
> >> >
> >> > Let me check your ratios and get back to you in a few minutes.  Ebay
> >> > has
> >> > all
> >> > kinds of extended tools to check things out and yes they do keep
track.
> >> >
> >> > Adam
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > - Original Message - 
> >> > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
Great
> >> > Bargains!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Adam, I know what you are talking about, but that is BULLPUCKEY, are
> > you
> >> >> telling me that you did that for every seller of meteorites?
> >> >> You would have to if you claim to be the best.
> >> >> Myself, I have a 7.1
> >> >> Of course it is totally flawed since most buyers who have already
left
> >> >> feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave them, as they really do
> > not
> >> >> affect the feedback score.
> >> >> Any other ways to try and make it seem like you are the best seller
> >> >> out
> >> >> there?
> >> >> I thought you were just collectors? You sure don't try to market
that
> >> >> way.
> >> >> Michael Farmer
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> - Original Message - 
> >> >> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
Great
> >> >> Bargains!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Mike,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times
customers
> >> > repeat
> >> >> > business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of
> >> >> > positive
> >> >> > feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best
> >> >> > by
> >> > far
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average
a
> >> >> > customer
> >> >> > will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who
> >> >> > unde

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[Bernhard Rems]

For the facts I mentioned, I wouldn't call this a legitimate claim.
Please consider.

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Adam
Hupe
Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. November 2004 21:59
An: Michael Farmer
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
GreatBargains!

Mike,

You brought it up.  We are only making a legitimate claim.  Ratios
should be
very important to anybody who deals anything.

Adam

- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!


> Here it is,
> meteoritehunters 2.3
> meteorite-hunter 2.3
> meteoritelab 7.2
> raremeteorites 1.6
> naturesvault  1.6
>
> The real question is who cares? Reading little blurbs about how great
you
> are is getting old to me and alot of other people. We are all dealers.
>
> You guys are getting more and more  IN-Your-Face with this retarded
best
> sellers (I mean Collectors)  in the business. Adam, who really cares,
you
> sell I sell we all sell.
> The only thing you need advertise is your material, nothing else.
> Mike Farmer
>
>
>  Original Message - 
> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
>
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > Let me check your ratios and get back to you in a few minutes.  Ebay
has
> > all
> > kinds of extended tools to check things out and yes they do keep
track.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
Great
> > Bargains!
> >
> >
> >> Adam, I know what you are talking about, but that is BULLPUCKEY,
are
you
> >> telling me that you did that for every seller of meteorites?
> >> You would have to if you claim to be the best.
> >> Myself, I have a 7.1
> >> Of course it is totally flawed since most buyers who have already
left
> >> feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave them, as they really
do
not
> >> affect the feedback score.
> >> Any other ways to try and make it seem like you are the best seller
out
> >> there?
> >> I thought you were just collectors? You sure don't try to market
that
> >> way.
> >> Michael Farmer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
Great
> >> Bargains!
> >>
> >>
> >> > Mike,
> >> >
> >> > A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times
customers
> > repeat
> >> > business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number
of
> >> > positive
> >> > feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the
best by
> > far
> >> > in
> >> > the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average
a
> >> > customer
> >> > will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who
> >> > understands
> >> > customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important
ratio
in
> >> > the
> >> > business.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> > Adam Hupe
> >> > The Hupe Collection
> >> > Team LunarRock
> >> > IMCA 2185
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > - Original Message - 
> >> > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
Great
> >> > Bargains!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the
meteorite
> >> >> and
> >> >> tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller
for
> > years,
> >> > and
> >> >> Ebay does not break such things down.
> >> >> That is just idiotic.
> >> >> Michael Farmer
> >> >> - Original Message - 
> >> >> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM
> >> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
Great
> >> > Bargains!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Dear List Members,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are
> >> >> > ending
> >> >> > tonight.  Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > To see these officially classified items please click on the
link
> > below
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The

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[Bernhard Rems]

Mike is right (maybe not with the wording, but regarding the matter).

The numbers you presented reflect the number of items per auction
session more than the return traffic of customers.

The more auctions you list per night, the higher the ration number of
feedback: number of unique customers will be.

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von
Michael Farmer
Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. November 2004 22:11
An: Adam Hupe
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
GreatBargains!

O Man, I must suck ass on ebay.
I dont have hundreds of .99 cent crap for sale, nor 1000 auctions a week

like you guys. Does it feel good to toot your own horn so often? I
should 
start trying.
Mike Farmer

- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great 
Bargains!


> Mike,
>
> Your ratio is less than 3 to 1.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Adam
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
>
>
>> Adam, I know what you are talking about, but that is BULLPUCKEY, are
you
>> telling me that you did that for every seller of meteorites?
>> You would have to if you claim to be the best.
>> Myself, I have a 7.1
>> Of course it is totally flawed since most buyers who have already
left
>> feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave them, as they really do
not
>> affect the feedback score.
>> Any other ways to try and make it seem like you are the best seller
out
>> there?
>> I thought you were just collectors? You sure don't try to market that

>> way.
>> Michael Farmer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
Great
>> Bargains!
>>
>>
>> > Mike,
>> >
>> > A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers
> repeat
>> > business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of
>> > positive
>> > feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best
by
> far
>> > in
>> > the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average a
>> > customer
>> > will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who
>> > understands
>> > customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important
ratio in
>> > the
>> > business.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > 
>> > Adam Hupe
>> > The Hupe Collection
>> > Team LunarRock
>> > IMCA 2185
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>> >
>> > - Original Message - 
>> > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
Great
>> > Bargains!
>> >
>> >
>> >> Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the
meteorite 
>> >> and
>> >> tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for
> years,
>> > and
>> >> Ebay does not break such things down.
>> >> That is just idiotic.
>> >> Michael Farmer
>> >> - Original Message - 
>> >> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM
>> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
>> > Bargains!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Dear List Members,
>> >> >
>> >> > Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are 
>> >> > ending
>> >> > tonight.  Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents.
>> >> >
>> >> > To see these officially classified items please click on the
link
> below
>> >> > and
>> >> > go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The
weekly
>> > rare
>> >> > material specials are always listed last so you will have to go
to
> the
>> >> > bottom of the list to see these.
>> >> >
>> >
>
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritel
ab
>> >> >
>> >> > And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link:
>> >> >
>> >
>
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=raremeteor
ites
>> >> >
>> >> > True bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions because
there
>> >> > are
>> >> > never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents.
>> >> > Remember
>> >> > to
>> >> > buy with confidence because we are rated number one on ebay with
a
>> > greater
>> >> > than 7:1 return customer ratio. This is the highest level ever
> achieved
>> > by
>> >> > far in the meteorite/tektite s

Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains!

[Michael Farmer]

BUT BUT BUT, you are not "DEALERS" are you Adam? so why would those numbers 
mean anything to you?
I am just ripping on you, it is fun you know, since I wont be able to see 
you guys in Nevada.
Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great 
Bargains!


Mike,
You brought it up.  We are only making a legitimate claim.  Ratios should 
be
very important to anybody who deals anything.

Adam
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!


Here it is,
meteoritehunters 2.3
meteorite-hunter 2.3
meteoritelab 7.2
raremeteorites 1.6
naturesvault  1.6
The real question is who cares? Reading little blurbs about how great you
are is getting old to me and alot of other people. We are all dealers.
You guys are getting more and more  IN-Your-Face with this retarded best
sellers (I mean Collectors)  in the business. Adam, who really cares, you
sell I sell we all sell.
The only thing you need advertise is your material, nothing else.
Mike Farmer
 Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!

> Mike,
>
> Let me check your ratios and get back to you in a few minutes.  Ebay 
> has
> all
> kinds of extended tools to check things out and yes they do keep track.
>
> Adam
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
>
>
>> Adam, I know what you are talking about, but that is BULLPUCKEY, are
you
>> telling me that you did that for every seller of meteorites?
>> You would have to if you claim to be the best.
>> Myself, I have a 7.1
>> Of course it is totally flawed since most buyers who have already left
>> feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave them, as they really do
not
>> affect the feedback score.
>> Any other ways to try and make it seem like you are the best seller 
>> out
>> there?
>> I thought you were just collectors? You sure don't try to market that
>> way.
>> Michael Farmer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
>> Bargains!
>>
>>
>> > Mike,
>> >
>> > A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers
> repeat
>> > business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of
>> > positive
>> > feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best 
>> > by
> far
>> > in
>> > the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average a
>> > customer
>> > will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who
>> > understands
>> > customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important ratio
in
>> > the
>> > business.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > 
>> > Adam Hupe
>> > The Hupe Collection
>> > Team LunarRock
>> > IMCA 2185
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>> >
>> > - Original Message - 
>> > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
Great
>> > Bargains!
>> >
>> >
>> >> Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the meteorite
>> >> and
>> >> tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for
> years,
>> > and
>> >> Ebay does not break such things down.
>> >> That is just idiotic.
>> >> Michael Farmer
>> >> - Original Message - 
>> >> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM
>> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
>> > Bargains!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Dear List Members,
>> >> >
>> >> > Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are
>> >> > ending
>> >> > tonight.  Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents.
>> >> >
>> >> > To see these officially classified items please click on the link
> below
>> >> > and
>> >> > go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The
weekly
>> > rare
>> >> > material specials are always listed last so you will have to go 
>> >> > to
> the
>> >> > bottom of the list to see these.
>> 

Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - GreatBargains!

[Michael Farmer]

I am not arguing, I find this ration to be life-changing data (really, I 
will make all ebay purchased decisions based on this new data, not the items 
offered). I will redouble my efforts to list a hundred of the same meteorite 
on eBay, thus selling more, thus getting more feedback, this giving the lame 
impression of being the best seller.
If I put 1000 items up for 99 cent buy-it-nows, they would all sell, and I 
would get alot of feedback.
The name argument was one with meaning, this is retarded.
Michael Farmer
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Strope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Michael Farmer" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - 
GreatBargains!


Here let me help you guys out since you seen to have nothing else to argue 
about

meteoritehunters 2.3
meteorite-hunter 2.3
meteoritelab 7.2
raremeteorites 1.6
naturesvault  1.6
Takes seconds to calculate
Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV  26038
http://www.catchafallingstar.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - 
GreatBargains!


Mike,
Let me check your ratios and get back to you in a few minutes.  Ebay has 
all
kinds of extended tools to check things out and yes they do keep track.

Adam
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!


Adam, I know what you are talking about, but that is BULLPUCKEY, are you
telling me that you did that for every seller of meteorites?
You would have to if you claim to be the best.
Myself, I have a 7.1
Of course it is totally flawed since most buyers who have already left
feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave them, as they really do not
affect the feedback score.
Any other ways to try and make it seem like you are the best seller out
there?
I thought you were just collectors? You sure don't try to market that 
way.
Michael Farmer


- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!

> Mike,
>
> A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers
repeat
> business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of
> positive
> feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best by
far
> in
> the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average a
> customer
> will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who
> understands
> customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important ratio 
> in
> the
> business.
>
> Regards,
>
> 
> Adam Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> Team LunarRock
> IMCA 2185
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
>
>
>> Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the meteorite 
>> and
>> tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for
years,
> and
>> Ebay does not break such things down.
>> That is just idiotic.
>> Michael Farmer
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
>>
>>
>> > Dear List Members,
>> >
>> > Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are 
>> > ending
>> > tonight.  Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents.
>> >
>> > To see these officially classified items please click on the link
below
>> > and
>> > go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The 
>> > weekly
> rare
>> > material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to
the
>> > bottom of the list to see these.
>> >
>
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab
>> >
>> > And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link:
>> >
>
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=raremeteorites
>> >
>> > True bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions because 
>> > there
>> > are
>> > never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents.
>> > Remember
>> > to
>> > buy with confidence because we are rated number one on ebay with a
> greater
>> > than 7:1 return customer rati

Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains!

[Adam Hupe]

Mike,

You brought it up.  We are only making a legitimate claim.  Ratios should be
very important to anybody who deals anything.

Adam

- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!


> Here it is,
> meteoritehunters 2.3
> meteorite-hunter 2.3
> meteoritelab 7.2
> raremeteorites 1.6
> naturesvault  1.6
>
> The real question is who cares? Reading little blurbs about how great you
> are is getting old to me and alot of other people. We are all dealers.
>
> You guys are getting more and more  IN-Your-Face with this retarded best
> sellers (I mean Collectors)  in the business. Adam, who really cares, you
> sell I sell we all sell.
> The only thing you need advertise is your material, nothing else.
> Mike Farmer
>
>
>  Original Message - 
> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
>
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > Let me check your ratios and get back to you in a few minutes.  Ebay has
> > all
> > kinds of extended tools to check things out and yes they do keep track.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> > Bargains!
> >
> >
> >> Adam, I know what you are talking about, but that is BULLPUCKEY, are
you
> >> telling me that you did that for every seller of meteorites?
> >> You would have to if you claim to be the best.
> >> Myself, I have a 7.1
> >> Of course it is totally flawed since most buyers who have already left
> >> feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave them, as they really do
not
> >> affect the feedback score.
> >> Any other ways to try and make it seem like you are the best seller out
> >> there?
> >> I thought you were just collectors? You sure don't try to market that
> >> way.
> >> Michael Farmer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> >> Bargains!
> >>
> >>
> >> > Mike,
> >> >
> >> > A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers
> > repeat
> >> > business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of
> >> > positive
> >> > feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best by
> > far
> >> > in
> >> > the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average a
> >> > customer
> >> > will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who
> >> > understands
> >> > customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important ratio
in
> >> > the
> >> > business.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> > Adam Hupe
> >> > The Hupe Collection
> >> > Team LunarRock
> >> > IMCA 2185
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > - Original Message - 
> >> > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
Great
> >> > Bargains!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the meteorite
> >> >> and
> >> >> tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for
> > years,
> >> > and
> >> >> Ebay does not break such things down.
> >> >> That is just idiotic.
> >> >> Michael Farmer
> >> >> - Original Message - 
> >> >> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM
> >> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> >> > Bargains!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Dear List Members,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are
> >> >> > ending
> >> >> > tonight.  Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > To see these officially classified items please click on the link
> > below
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The
weekly
> >> > rare
> >> >> > material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to
> > the
> >> >> > bottom of the list to see these.
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link:
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >
http://members

Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains!

[Michael Farmer]

O Man, I must suck ass on ebay.
I dont have hundreds of .99 cent crap for sale, nor 1000 auctions a week 
like you guys. Does it feel good to toot your own horn so often? I should 
start trying.
Mike Farmer

- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great 
Bargains!


Mike,
Your ratio is less than 3 to 1.
Hope this helps,
Adam
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!


Adam, I know what you are talking about, but that is BULLPUCKEY, are you
telling me that you did that for every seller of meteorites?
You would have to if you claim to be the best.
Myself, I have a 7.1
Of course it is totally flawed since most buyers who have already left
feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave them, as they really do not
affect the feedback score.
Any other ways to try and make it seem like you are the best seller out
there?
I thought you were just collectors? You sure don't try to market that 
way.
Michael Farmer


- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!

> Mike,
>
> A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers
repeat
> business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of
> positive
> feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best by
far
> in
> the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average a
> customer
> will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who
> understands
> customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important ratio in
> the
> business.
>
> Regards,
>
> 
> Adam Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> Team LunarRock
> IMCA 2185
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
>
>
>> Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the meteorite 
>> and
>> tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for
years,
> and
>> Ebay does not break such things down.
>> That is just idiotic.
>> Michael Farmer
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
>>
>>
>> > Dear List Members,
>> >
>> > Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are 
>> > ending
>> > tonight.  Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents.
>> >
>> > To see these officially classified items please click on the link
below
>> > and
>> > go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The weekly
> rare
>> > material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to
the
>> > bottom of the list to see these.
>> >
>
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab
>> >
>> > And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link:
>> >
>
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=raremeteorites
>> >
>> > True bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions because there
>> > are
>> > never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents.
>> > Remember
>> > to
>> > buy with confidence because we are rated number one on ebay with a
> greater
>> > than 7:1 return customer ratio. This is the highest level ever
achieved
> by
>> > far in the meteorite/tektite subsection. This means several things,
>> > customers are pleased with pricing, selection, quality and customer
>> > service.
>> >
>> > Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.
>> >
>> > 
>> > Adam and Greg Hupe
>> > The Hupe Collection
>> > Team LunarRock
>> > IMCA 2185
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains!

[Michael Farmer]

Here it is,
meteoritehunters 2.3
meteorite-hunter 2.3
meteoritelab 7.2
raremeteorites 1.6
naturesvault  1.6
The real question is who cares? Reading little blurbs about how great you 
are is getting old to me and alot of other people. We are all dealers.

You guys are getting more and more  IN-Your-Face with this retarded best 
sellers (I mean Collectors)  in the business. Adam, who really cares, you 
sell I sell we all sell.
The only thing you need advertise is your material, nothing else.
Mike Farmer

 Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great 
Bargains!


Mike,
Let me check your ratios and get back to you in a few minutes.  Ebay has 
all
kinds of extended tools to check things out and yes they do keep track.

Adam
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!


Adam, I know what you are talking about, but that is BULLPUCKEY, are you
telling me that you did that for every seller of meteorites?
You would have to if you claim to be the best.
Myself, I have a 7.1
Of course it is totally flawed since most buyers who have already left
feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave them, as they really do not
affect the feedback score.
Any other ways to try and make it seem like you are the best seller out
there?
I thought you were just collectors? You sure don't try to market that 
way.
Michael Farmer


- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!

> Mike,
>
> A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers
repeat
> business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of
> positive
> feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best by
far
> in
> the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average a
> customer
> will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who
> understands
> customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important ratio in
> the
> business.
>
> Regards,
>
> 
> Adam Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> Team LunarRock
> IMCA 2185
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
>
>
>> Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the meteorite 
>> and
>> tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for
years,
> and
>> Ebay does not break such things down.
>> That is just idiotic.
>> Michael Farmer
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
>>
>>
>> > Dear List Members,
>> >
>> > Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are 
>> > ending
>> > tonight.  Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents.
>> >
>> > To see these officially classified items please click on the link
below
>> > and
>> > go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The weekly
> rare
>> > material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to
the
>> > bottom of the list to see these.
>> >
>
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab
>> >
>> > And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link:
>> >
>
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=raremeteorites
>> >
>> > True bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions because there
>> > are
>> > never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents.
>> > Remember
>> > to
>> > buy with confidence because we are rated number one on ebay with a
> greater
>> > than 7:1 return customer ratio. This is the highest level ever
achieved
> by
>> > far in the meteorite/tektite subsection. This means several things,
>> > customers are pleased with pricing, selection, quality and customer
>> > service.
>> >
>> > Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.
>> >
>> > 
>> > Adam and Greg Hupe
>> > The Hupe Collection
>> > Team LunarRock
>> > IMCA 2185
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>> >
>> > __
>> > Meteorite-list mailing list
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains!

[Adam Hupe]

Mike,

Your ratio is less than 3 to 1.

Hope this helps,

Adam

- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!


> Adam, I know what you are talking about, but that is BULLPUCKEY, are you
> telling me that you did that for every seller of meteorites?
> You would have to if you claim to be the best.
> Myself, I have a 7.1
> Of course it is totally flawed since most buyers who have already left
> feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave them, as they really do not
> affect the feedback score.
> Any other ways to try and make it seem like you are the best seller out
> there?
> I thought you were just collectors? You sure don't try to market that way.
> Michael Farmer
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
>
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers
repeat
> > business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of
> > positive
> > feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best by
far
> > in
> > the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average a
> > customer
> > will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who
> > understands
> > customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important ratio in
> > the
> > business.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > 
> > Adam Hupe
> > The Hupe Collection
> > Team LunarRock
> > IMCA 2185
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> > Bargains!
> >
> >
> >> Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the meteorite and
> >> tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for
years,
> > and
> >> Ebay does not break such things down.
> >> That is just idiotic.
> >> Michael Farmer
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM
> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> > Bargains!
> >>
> >>
> >> > Dear List Members,
> >> >
> >> > Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are ending
> >> > tonight.  Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents.
> >> >
> >> > To see these officially classified items please click on the link
below
> >> > and
> >> > go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The weekly
> > rare
> >> > material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to
the
> >> > bottom of the list to see these.
> >> >
> >
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab
> >> >
> >> > And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link:
> >> >
> >
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=raremeteorites
> >> >
> >> > True bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions because there
> >> > are
> >> > never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents.
> >> > Remember
> >> > to
> >> > buy with confidence because we are rated number one on ebay with a
> > greater
> >> > than 7:1 return customer ratio. This is the highest level ever
achieved
> > by
> >> > far in the meteorite/tektite subsection. This means several things,
> >> > customers are pleased with pricing, selection, quality and customer
> >> > service.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> > Adam and Greg Hupe
> >> > The Hupe Collection
> >> > Team LunarRock
> >> > IMCA 2185
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > __
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> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - GreatBargains!

[Jim Strope]

Here let me help you guys out since you seen to have nothing else to argue 
about

meteoritehunters 2.3
meteorite-hunter 2.3
meteoritelab 7.2
raremeteorites 1.6
naturesvault  1.6
Takes seconds to calculate
Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV  26038
http://www.catchafallingstar.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - 
GreatBargains!


Mike,
Let me check your ratios and get back to you in a few minutes.  Ebay has 
all
kinds of extended tools to check things out and yes they do keep track.

Adam
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!


Adam, I know what you are talking about, but that is BULLPUCKEY, are you
telling me that you did that for every seller of meteorites?
You would have to if you claim to be the best.
Myself, I have a 7.1
Of course it is totally flawed since most buyers who have already left
feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave them, as they really do not
affect the feedback score.
Any other ways to try and make it seem like you are the best seller out
there?
I thought you were just collectors? You sure don't try to market that 
way.
Michael Farmer


- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!

> Mike,
>
> A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers
repeat
> business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of
> positive
> feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best by
far
> in
> the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average a
> customer
> will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who
> understands
> customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important ratio in
> the
> business.
>
> Regards,
>
> 
> Adam Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> Team LunarRock
> IMCA 2185
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
>
>
>> Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the meteorite 
>> and
>> tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for
years,
> and
>> Ebay does not break such things down.
>> That is just idiotic.
>> Michael Farmer
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
>>
>>
>> > Dear List Members,
>> >
>> > Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are 
>> > ending
>> > tonight.  Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents.
>> >
>> > To see these officially classified items please click on the link
below
>> > and
>> > go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The weekly
> rare
>> > material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to
the
>> > bottom of the list to see these.
>> >
>
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab
>> >
>> > And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link:
>> >
>
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=raremeteorites
>> >
>> > True bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions because there
>> > are
>> > never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents.
>> > Remember
>> > to
>> > buy with confidence because we are rated number one on ebay with a
> greater
>> > than 7:1 return customer ratio. This is the highest level ever
achieved
> by
>> > far in the meteorite/tektite subsection. This means several things,
>> > customers are pleased with pricing, selection, quality and customer
>> > service.
>> >
>> > Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.
>> >
>> > 
>> > Adam and Greg Hupe
>> > The Hupe Collection
>> > Team LunarRock
>> > IMCA 2185
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>> >
>> > __
>> > Meteorite-list mailing list
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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AW: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - GreatBargains!

[Bernhard Rems]

But your rating is only 99.9%

:-)

Bernhard

BTW - it's not that easy, Adam. Your calculation assumes that each
rating is independent. It could also mean that each customer buys 7
items per auction night and never returns.

So I would say your claim stands on feet of clay. At least it is the
most positive assumption possible, not the realistic one. 

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Adam
Hupe
Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. November 2004 21:41
An: Michael Farmer
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending -
GreatBargains!

Mike,

A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers
repeat
business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of
positive
feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best by
far in
the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average a
customer
will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who
understands
customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important ratio in
the
business.

Regards,


Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!


> Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the meteorite
and
> tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for
years,
and
> Ebay does not break such things down.
> That is just idiotic.
> Michael Farmer
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!
>
>
> > Dear List Members,
> >
> > Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are
ending
> > tonight.  Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents.
> >
> > To see these officially classified items please click on the link
below
> > and
> > go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The weekly
rare
> > material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to
the
> > bottom of the list to see these.
> >
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritel
ab
> >
> > And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link:
> >
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=raremeteor
ites
> >
> > True bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions because there
are
> > never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents.
Remember
> > to
> > buy with confidence because we are rated number one on ebay with a
greater
> > than 7:1 return customer ratio. This is the highest level ever
achieved
by
> > far in the meteorite/tektite subsection. This means several things,
> > customers are pleased with pricing, selection, quality and customer
> > service.
> >
> > Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.
> >
> > 
> > Adam and Greg Hupe
> > The Hupe Collection
> > Team LunarRock
> > IMCA 2185
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
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> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains!

[Adam Hupe]

Mike,

Let me check your ratios and get back to you in a few minutes.  Ebay has all
kinds of extended tools to check things out and yes they do keep track.

Adam


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!


> Adam, I know what you are talking about, but that is BULLPUCKEY, are you
> telling me that you did that for every seller of meteorites?
> You would have to if you claim to be the best.
> Myself, I have a 7.1
> Of course it is totally flawed since most buyers who have already left
> feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave them, as they really do not
> affect the feedback score.
> Any other ways to try and make it seem like you are the best seller out
> there?
> I thought you were just collectors? You sure don't try to market that way.
> Michael Farmer
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> Bargains!
>
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers
repeat
> > business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of
> > positive
> > feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best by
far
> > in
> > the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average a
> > customer
> > will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who
> > understands
> > customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important ratio in
> > the
> > business.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > 
> > Adam Hupe
> > The Hupe Collection
> > Team LunarRock
> > IMCA 2185
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> > Bargains!
> >
> >
> >> Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the meteorite and
> >> tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for
years,
> > and
> >> Ebay does not break such things down.
> >> That is just idiotic.
> >> Michael Farmer
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM
> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
> > Bargains!
> >>
> >>
> >> > Dear List Members,
> >> >
> >> > Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are ending
> >> > tonight.  Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents.
> >> >
> >> > To see these officially classified items please click on the link
below
> >> > and
> >> > go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The weekly
> > rare
> >> > material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to
the
> >> > bottom of the list to see these.
> >> >
> >
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab
> >> >
> >> > And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link:
> >> >
> >
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=raremeteorites
> >> >
> >> > True bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions because there
> >> > are
> >> > never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents.
> >> > Remember
> >> > to
> >> > buy with confidence because we are rated number one on ebay with a
> > greater
> >> > than 7:1 return customer ratio. This is the highest level ever
achieved
> > by
> >> > far in the meteorite/tektite subsection. This means several things,
> >> > customers are pleased with pricing, selection, quality and customer
> >> > service.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> > Adam and Greg Hupe
> >> > The Hupe Collection
> >> > Team LunarRock
> >> > IMCA 2185
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >
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> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains!

[Michael Farmer]

Adam, I know what you are talking about, but that is BULLPUCKEY, are you 
telling me that you did that for every seller of meteorites?
You would have to if you claim to be the best.
Myself, I have a 7.1
Of course it is totally flawed since most buyers who have already left 
feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave them, as they really do not 
affect the feedback score.
Any other ways to try and make it seem like you are the best seller out 
there?
I thought you were just collectors? You sure don't try to market that way.
Michael Farmer


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From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great 
Bargains!


Mike,
A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers repeat
business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of 
positive
feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best by far 
in
the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average a 
customer
will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who 
understands
customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important ratio in 
the
business.

Regards,

Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
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- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!


Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the meteorite and
tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for years,
and
Ebay does not break such things down.
That is just idiotic.
Michael Farmer
- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!

> Dear List Members,
>
> Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are ending
> tonight.  Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents.
>
> To see these officially classified items please click on the link below
> and
> go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The weekly
rare
> material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to the
> bottom of the list to see these.
>
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab
>
> And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link:
>
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=raremeteorites
>
> True bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions because there 
> are
> never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents. 
> Remember
> to
> buy with confidence because we are rated number one on ebay with a
greater
> than 7:1 return customer ratio. This is the highest level ever achieved
by
> far in the meteorite/tektite subsection. This means several things,
> customers are pleased with pricing, selection, quality and customer
> service.
>
> Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.
>
> 
> Adam and Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> Team LunarRock
> IMCA 2185
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains!

[Adam Hupe]

Mike,

A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers repeat
business.  It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of positive
feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best by far in
the meteorite/tektite subsection.  This means that on the average a customer
will repeat business with us at least seven times.  Anybody who understands
customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important ratio in the
business.

Regards,


Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
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- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!


> Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the meteorite and
> tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for years,
and
> Ebay does not break such things down.
> That is just idiotic.
> Michael Farmer
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great
Bargains!
>
>
> > Dear List Members,
> >
> > Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are ending
> > tonight.  Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents.
> >
> > To see these officially classified items please click on the link below
> > and
> > go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The weekly
rare
> > material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to the
> > bottom of the list to see these.
> >
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab
> >
> > And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link:
> >
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=raremeteorites
> >
> > True bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions because there are
> > never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents. Remember
> > to
> > buy with confidence because we are rated number one on ebay with a
greater
> > than 7:1 return customer ratio. This is the highest level ever achieved
by
> > far in the meteorite/tektite subsection. This means several things,
> > customers are pleased with pricing, selection, quality and customer
> > service.
> >
> > Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.
> >
> > 
> > Adam and Greg Hupe
> > The Hupe Collection
> > Team LunarRock
> > IMCA 2185
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains!

[Michael Farmer]

Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the meteorite and 
tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for years, and 
Ebay does not break such things down.
That is just idiotic.
Michael Farmer
- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains!


Dear List Members,
Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are ending
tonight.  Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents.
To see these officially classified items please click on the link below 
and
go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The weekly rare
material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to the
bottom of the list to see these.
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab

And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link:
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=raremeteorites
True bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions because there are
never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents. Remember 
to
buy with confidence because we are rated number one on ebay with a greater
than 7:1 return customer ratio. This is the highest level ever achieved by
far in the meteorite/tektite subsection. This means several things,
customers are pleased with pricing, selection, quality and customer 
service.

Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.

Adam and Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
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Re: [meteorite-list] Dhofar - Jiddat al Harasis

[Michael Farmer]

Bernd, this is why I photograph every new meteorite I find in Oman with a 
GPS in front of it. Save hassles should a mix-up occur.
Michael Farmer

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http://meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/areas/oman-s.jpg

Michel Franco wrote:
And there is even a find at sea, I'll buy it definitly !!!
:-)))  Well, but such data and coordinates can also prove useful
because you can then filter that one out much more efficiently and
correct its coordinates: another instance of why pictures sometimes
speak a thousand words. It is very difficult to recognize such errors
when you just see hundreds or thousands of coordinates. I've also
come across such "discrepant" find locations when I plotted 313 Acfer
coordinates with the help of Microsoft Powerpoint some years ago.
Best wishes,
Bernd
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Re: [meteorite-list] BCC meteorwrongs

[David Freeman]

Dear Robert;
Maybe they need some "magic fairy dust" from the fairies and struck 
ones!  I sell such a magic fairy dust.  
DISCLAIMER: Magic fairy dust does not cure ailments, or make things into 
what they are not. It does make those that use it feel more happy at 
knowing that they have participated in some form of faith 
healing/transformation which is recommended by none other than Dr. Phil.
Very best,
Dave Freeman
also known as a "faith healer of rocks"

Matson, Robert wrote:
Mr. DeRusse and Mr. Cutler,
Irrespective of what any court might decide, no amount of litigation
involving absurd claims of conspiracy will magically convert your earth
rocks into meteorites, lunar or otherwise.
Regards,
Rob Matson
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[meteorite-list] BCC meteorwrongs

[Matson, Robert]

Mr. DeRusse and Mr. Cutler,

Irrespective of what any court might decide, no amount of litigation
involving absurd claims of conspiracy will magically convert your earth
rocks into meteorites, lunar or otherwise.

Regards,
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Re: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ

[S. Ray DeRusse]

I think you answered your own question when you said,
"i dont know who you are or what this is about"
We worked closely with the Assistant Attorney General on certain aspects 
of the case, so you obviously don't know what you are talking about. 
Next time you might want to ask first before you jump to your 
conclusions. I would not worry about statutes or any other material 
detail if I were you. Its on the desk it needs to be on now.

Thanks,
S. Ray DeRusse and Bill Cutler
www.bccmeteorites.com
stan . wrote:
We filed a motion to dismiss without prejudice that means we can go 
back at anytime. Do you understand that? We instructed the Assistant 
Attorney General to draft it up, we signed it and filed it once two of 
the defendants came forward to spill the beans.

when you dismiss without prejudice you can NOT refile at any time, you 
still have to take action within the statute of limitations, likely 5 
years depending on what jurisdiction you are in.

last time i checked attorney generals represent the state, NOT private 
parties in civil suits.


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[meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains!

[Adam Hupe]

Dear List Members,

Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are ending
tonight.  Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents.

To see these officially classified items please click on the link below and
go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The weekly rare
material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to the
bottom of the list to see these.
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab

And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link:
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=raremeteorites

True bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions because there are
never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents. Remember to
buy with confidence because we are rated number one on ebay with a greater
than 7:1 return customer ratio. This is the highest level ever achieved by
far in the meteorite/tektite subsection. This means several things,
customers are pleased with pricing, selection, quality and customer service.

Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.


Adam and Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
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[stan .]

We filed a motion to dismiss without prejudice that means we can go back at 
anytime. Do you understand that? We instructed the Assistant Attorney 
General to draft it up, we signed it and filed it once two of the 
defendants came forward to spill the beans.
when you dismiss without prejudice you can NOT refile at any time, you still 
have to take action within the statute of limitations, likely 5 years 
depending on what jurisdiction you are in.

last time i checked attorney generals represent the state, NOT private 
parties in civil suits.

i dont know who you are or what this is about, but the quoted post seems to 
be fairly noncongruent with the realities of the law.

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[meteorite-list] slabbed meteorites

[joseph_town]

Hi all,

I sure could have worded that post better. I meant to say, I think it would be 
very profitable if a dealer or a consortium of dealers, collectors and 
scientists could get together and slab meteorites. It would solve a lot of the 
arguments regarding authenticity, if the people in charge were of the highest 
integrity and qualifications of course. Slabbed and sealed specimens with a 
database like 
PSA has for sports cards would set a high standard and there would be no 
questions about numbers. The specimens would be forever documented in a data 
base like PSA does and preserved in air tight containers. Provenance could also 
be preserved. I don't think the type of grading that companies like PSA do 
would be possible with meteorites but you would know exactly what you're 
buying. Just another option for purist collectors.

Best Regards,

Bill




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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Photographed Hitting The Earth in Australia?

[Mike Groetz]

Good Afternoon-
   If someone finds a link to the photo- would you
please post it?
Thank You
Mike

--- Ron Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
>
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11480527%255E13569,00.html
> 
> Was this a meteorite?
> By NIGEL ADLAM
> news.com.au (Australi)
> November 24, 2004
> 
> Territory scientists were last night studying what
> could be the first
> photograph of a meteorite hitting Earth.
> 
> The chances of an impact being captured on film are
> millions to one.
> 
> ``If this is true, it's one of the most remarkable
> pictures ever
> taken,'' astronomy tutor Geoff Carr said yesterday.
> 
> The photograph was taken by keen amateur
> photographer Wayne Pryde as he
> stood near the Darwin Cenotaph on The Esplanade and
> looked down to Fort
> Hill Wharf on Monday evening.
> 
> The meteorite, which could have been as small as a
> grain of sand, would
> have been travelling about 30,000km/h.
> 
> Mr Pryde believes a tiny piece of space rock hit the
> top of a 20m lamp
> post on the wharf.
> 
> He said the explosion on impact could be seen
> clearly in the photograph.
> 
> The ``tube'' created by the meteorite as it hurtled
> towards Earth is
> harder to pick out.
> 
> ``I was taking a series of time-lapse pictures of
> the build-up of
> clouds,'' Mr Pryde said.
> 
> ``I did not realise I had snapped the meteorite
> until later.''
> 
> The wharf lamp bulb was yesterday found to be blown
> but the top of the
> post will not be checked for damage until today.
> 
> Experts believe the meteorite may not have hit the
> lamp post, but metal
> elsewhere on the wharf.
> 
> Mr Pryde, 31, is an IT expert but he denied the
> photograph had been
> digitally altered.
> 
> Photographic experts also said the shot had not been
> doctored.
> 
> Mr Carr, who teaches at Charles Darwin University,
> said the picture
> would create interest among astronomers worldwide.
> 
> He said most of the thousands of meteors heading
> towards Earth burnt up
> before landing.
> 
> ``Nobody has ever photographed one hitting Earth,''
> he said.
> 
> Mr Carr said the explosion could have been caused by
> lightning.
> 
> ``But I doubt this very much _ the trajectory is too
> straight,'' he said.
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ

[McomeMeteorite Meteorite]

well done!

From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "S. Ray DeRusse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"McomeMeteorite Meteorite" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:56:58 -0700

Mr. DeRusse, what is the deal, let's get it out in the open right now.
You seem to think that the entire world is conspiring against you to deny 
you the fame and fortune of owning the moon and mars ranch.
Why?
For a conspiracy, the people (scientists) must gain something from it.
No one seems to gain anything from conspiring against you.
Why do you keep this up? You stones are not meteorites, SIMPLE.
Now please leave the meteorite world alone and find another list to debate 
your treasures on.
Get a life.
Michael Farmer
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To: "McomeMeteorite Meteorite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Matteo;
We think your implying that we fabricated any email from Dirk Ross is 
preposterous and absurd. We have no reason to fabricate analytical data, 
emails or anything from anyone for that matter. I suppose you think we 
fabricated the email below from Dr. Oliver Manuel to Bill Cutler in which 
he agrees with us and welcomes some measure of controls on rogue 
scientists? Is that what you think? We realized the level of absurdity 
from you and many others when you endlessly debated whether a meteorite 
fall is hot to the touch back in 2002. You guys endlessly debated this 
issue and some trained scientists even weighed in on the issue but only 
served to cloud it. Since ya'll never settled it let me tell you the heat 
generated by a meteorite fall is proportional to the metal content. That 
is to say the higher the metal content the hotter to the touch.duh. 
That means that stony meteorites will only be warm to the touch whereas 
iron-nickel meteorites will be hot. Good luck and stop being so absurd and 
preposterous.

From Dr. Oliver Manuel;
Thanks, Bill, for the message.
I wish NASA's new policy might correct the problem.
Science rests on one of the oldest spiritual truths, e.g. from the
Upanishads, "Truth is victorious, never untruth."
It appears NASA officials mistakenly believed for decades that good
PR (public relations) is more important than truth.
NASA held the purse strings and misconduct from NASA spread into
peripheral organizations.
For example, how much NASA money, how many pages of MAPS and GCA, and
how many hours of Lunar Science Conference time has been devoted to
questionable but flashy discoveries like AN ALPHABET OF NEONS (Ne-A,
Ne-B, Ne-C, Ne-D, Ne-E, etc.), SUPER-HEAVY ELEMENTS, INTERSTELLAR
DIAMONDS, STAR DUST, etc. while more mundane explanations (MASS
FRACTIONATION, LOCAL ELEMENT SYNTHESIS, etc.) were ignored and/or
excluded from publication?
What is the result?
1. NASA - the world's premier space agency - failed to appreciate
that samples from the Apollo mission clearly revealed severe mass
separation in the Sun.  There is little doubt about this conclusion.
See "Composition of the Solar Interior: Information from Isotope
Ratios"
http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2002/soho-gong2002.pdf
http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2002/soho-gong2002.ps
2.  NASA - the world's premier space agency - failed to appreciate
that the Galileo probe into the atmosphere of Jupiter confirmed that
material there is unlike that in the Sun.  See Ken Windler's report
on "strange" xenon isotopes in Jupiter.
 http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2001/windleranalysis.pdf
In 1983 we noted that the Galileo mission to Jupiter would find
"strange" xenon there, if we were correct in concluding that the Sun
is iron-rich from the Apollo mission to the Moon ["Solar abundance of
the elements", Meteoritics 18, 209-222].
NASA's engineering has been great, but its science has been a dismal
failure.  Unfortunately, scientific journals share some of the blame.
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
McomeMeteorite Meteorite wrote:
I doubt many Dirk Ross write this

From: "S. Ray DeRusse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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READ
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:20:16 -0600

Greetings List;
I would like respond to Mr. Notkin. Mr. Notkin you prove that if 
you wnat to get your facts straight you have to go to the source. Yes we 
did file a lawsuit sometime back against numerous individuals when we 
discovered they interfering with some others we were working with on the 
meteorite project. Its a well known fact that certain individuals have 
been operating against us.
You obviously were lied to by your friend we sued. WE filed a 
motion to dismiss the lawsuit after two of the defendants agreed to 
complete their contracts with us. WE did it, no Judge dism

[meteorite-list] Meteorite Photographed Hitting The Earth in Australia?

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11480527%255E13569,00.html

Was this a meteorite?
By NIGEL ADLAM
news.com.au (Australi)
November 24, 2004

Territory scientists were last night studying what could be the first
photograph of a meteorite hitting Earth.

The chances of an impact being captured on film are millions to one.

``If this is true, it's one of the most remarkable pictures ever
taken,'' astronomy tutor Geoff Carr said yesterday.

The photograph was taken by keen amateur photographer Wayne Pryde as he
stood near the Darwin Cenotaph on The Esplanade and looked down to Fort
Hill Wharf on Monday evening.

The meteorite, which could have been as small as a grain of sand, would
have been travelling about 30,000km/h.

Mr Pryde believes a tiny piece of space rock hit the top of a 20m lamp
post on the wharf.

He said the explosion on impact could be seen clearly in the photograph.

The ``tube'' created by the meteorite as it hurtled towards Earth is
harder to pick out.

``I was taking a series of time-lapse pictures of the build-up of
clouds,'' Mr Pryde said.

``I did not realise I had snapped the meteorite until later.''

The wharf lamp bulb was yesterday found to be blown but the top of the
post will not be checked for damage until today.

Experts believe the meteorite may not have hit the lamp post, but metal
elsewhere on the wharf.

Mr Pryde, 31, is an IT expert but he denied the photograph had been
digitally altered.

Photographic experts also said the shot had not been doctored.

Mr Carr, who teaches at Charles Darwin University, said the picture
would create interest among astronomers worldwide.

He said most of the thousands of meteors heading towards Earth burnt up
before landing.

``Nobody has ever photographed one hitting Earth,'' he said.

Mr Carr said the explosion could have been caused by lightning.

``But I doubt this very much _ the trajectory is too straight,'' he said.


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[meteorite-list] Deep Impact's Launcher Begins To Take Shape

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/delta/d311/041122stacking.html

Deep Impact's launcher begins to take shape
BY JUSTIN RAY 
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
November 22, 2004

The Delta launch team at Cape Canaveral had little time to rest after
Saturday's successful liftoff of NASA's Swift observatory as the crew
begin erecting another rocket Monday that will dispatch an extraordinary
mission to Comet Tempel 1 on December 30.

The $320 million Deep Impact mission will rendezvous with the comet on
July 4 and fire an 820-pound copper bullet into the heart of Tempel 1,
carving out a stadium-sized crater. Sophisticated instruments and
cameras on the Deep Impact's mothership will record the blast and
analyze the materials excavated.

"We're doing this to discover the comet's structure and makeup," said
Rick Grammier, NASA's Deep Impact project manager. "This is like
swinging an 820-pound slug of copper at this thing and seeing what
happens."

Buried inside the hearts of these rocky snowballs are pristine building
blocks left over from the solar system's creation. Deep Impact will
provide an unprecedented glimpse at the comet's interior materials that
have been frozen in time for billions of years.

"What we see coming out of comets as gas and dust is stuff that has been
modified because it is very near the surface, and every time the comet
goes around the sun the surface gets heated. So there have been changes
in the surface layers...What I really want to do is figure out how
different the surface is from what's inside," said Michael A'Hearn,
astronomer from the University of Maryland and the Deep Impact principal
investigator.

Scientists expect the materials thrown out of the freshly bored hole
will settle within a few minutes, permitting good visibility into the
crater. The mothership has less than 14 minutes to make its observations
while zooming toward the comet before passing by Tempel 1 at a distance
of 300 miles.

The first stage of the Delta 2 rocket to launch Deep Impact was hoisted
atop pad 17B on Monday, just 48 hours after another Delta 2 roared away
from neighboring pad 17A carrying NASA's Swift gamma-ray observatory.

The blue-green stage was hauled to the pad on a specially-outfitted
trailer. A crane in the pad's mobile service tower grabbed the stage and
lifted it upright. The tower then wheeled into position over the pad
deck, allowing the stage to be lowered into the pedestal mount.

The nine strap-on solid rocket boosters will be attached to the stage in
sets of three on Tuesday, next Monday and next Wednesday.

The second stage is scheduled for mating atop the first stage next Friday.

Meanwhile, the Deep Impact spacecraft is undergoing final preparations
for launch at the Astrotech Space Operations facility near Titusville.
It arrived in Florida from the Ball Aerospace factory in Boulder,
Colorado, on October 23.

Technicians are performing the Functional and Mission Readiness testing,
which is scheduled for completion Tuesday. The tests involve the main
mothership, the comet impactor, science instruments and the basic
subsystems.

The high gain antenna used for spacecraft communications will be
installed next Monday. The solar arrays will then be stowed and an
illumination test performed as a final check of its performance on
Tuesday. Deep Impact will be set for fueling the following week.

After being joined with the solid-propellant motor that serves at the
Delta's third stage, the spacecraft will be transported to pad 17B and
placed atop the rocket.

Launch is scheduled for 2:39:42 p.m. EST (1939:42 GMT) December 30, the
opening of a 30-day window to send the craft on its trajectory to the
comet.

Project officials say there is no suitable backup launch opportunity if
Deep Impact missed its window to Tempel 1.

Discovered in 1867 by Ernst Wilhelm Leberecht Tempel, this comet
currently circles the sun every 5.5 years. Its orbit lies between Mars
and Jupiter, providing the Deep Impact mission a perfect target for
reaching with a modest launch vehicle, striking at high speed and being
visible from Earth at impact about 80 million miles away.


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[bernd . pauli]

> http://meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/areas/oman-s.jpg


Michel Franco wrote:

> And there is even a find at sea, I'll buy it definitly !!!

:-)))  Well, but such data and coordinates can also prove useful
because you can then filter that one out much more efficiently and
correct its coordinates: another instance of why pictures sometimes
speak a thousand words. It is very difficult to recognize such errors
when you just see hundreds or thousands of coordinates. I've also
come across such "discrepant" find locations when I plotted 313 Acfer
coordinates with the help of Microsoft Powerpoint some years ago.

Best wishes,

Bernd

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[Michael Farmer]

Mr. DeRusse, what is the deal, let's get it out in the open right now.
You seem to think that the entire world is conspiring against you to deny 
you the fame and fortune of owning the moon and mars ranch.
Why?
For a conspiracy, the people (scientists) must gain something from it.
No one seems to gain anything from conspiring against you.
Why do you keep this up? You stones are not meteorites, SIMPLE.
Now please leave the meteorite world alone and find another list to debate 
your treasures on.
Get a life.
Michael Farmer
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Matteo;
We think your implying that we fabricated any email from Dirk Ross is 
preposterous and absurd. We have no reason to fabricate analytical data, 
emails or anything from anyone for that matter. I suppose you think we 
fabricated the email below from Dr. Oliver Manuel to Bill Cutler in which 
he agrees with us and welcomes some measure of controls on rogue 
scientists? Is that what you think? We realized the level of absurdity 
from you and many others when you endlessly debated whether a meteorite 
fall is hot to the touch back in 2002. You guys endlessly debated this 
issue and some trained scientists even weighed in on the issue but only 
served to cloud it. Since ya'll never settled it let me tell you the heat 
generated by a meteorite fall is proportional to the metal content. That 
is to say the higher the metal content the hotter to the touch.duh. 
That means that stony meteorites will only be warm to the touch whereas 
iron-nickel meteorites will be hot. Good luck and stop being so absurd and 
preposterous.

From Dr. Oliver Manuel;
Thanks, Bill, for the message.
I wish NASA's new policy might correct the problem.
Science rests on one of the oldest spiritual truths, e.g. from the
Upanishads, "Truth is victorious, never untruth."
It appears NASA officials mistakenly believed for decades that good
PR (public relations) is more important than truth.
NASA held the purse strings and misconduct from NASA spread into
peripheral organizations.
For example, how much NASA money, how many pages of MAPS and GCA, and
how many hours of Lunar Science Conference time has been devoted to
questionable but flashy discoveries like AN ALPHABET OF NEONS (Ne-A,
Ne-B, Ne-C, Ne-D, Ne-E, etc.), SUPER-HEAVY ELEMENTS, INTERSTELLAR
DIAMONDS, STAR DUST, etc. while more mundane explanations (MASS
FRACTIONATION, LOCAL ELEMENT SYNTHESIS, etc.) were ignored and/or
excluded from publication?
What is the result?
1. NASA - the world's premier space agency - failed to appreciate
that samples from the Apollo mission clearly revealed severe mass
separation in the Sun.  There is little doubt about this conclusion.
See "Composition of the Solar Interior: Information from Isotope
Ratios"
http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2002/soho-gong2002.pdf
http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2002/soho-gong2002.ps
2.  NASA - the world's premier space agency - failed to appreciate
that the Galileo probe into the atmosphere of Jupiter confirmed that
material there is unlike that in the Sun.  See Ken Windler's report
on "strange" xenon isotopes in Jupiter.
 http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2001/windleranalysis.pdf
In 1983 we noted that the Galileo mission to Jupiter would find
"strange" xenon there, if we were correct in concluding that the Sun
is iron-rich from the Apollo mission to the Moon ["Solar abundance of
the elements", Meteoritics 18, 209-222].
NASA's engineering has been great, but its science has been a dismal
failure.  Unfortunately, scientific journals share some of the blame.
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
McomeMeteorite Meteorite wrote:
I doubt many Dirk Ross write this

From: "S. Ray DeRusse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Greetings List;
I would like respond to Mr. Notkin. Mr. Notkin you prove that if you 
wnat to get your facts straight you have to go to the source. Yes we did 
file a lawsuit sometime back against numerous individuals when we 
discovered they interfering with some others we were working with on the 
meteorite project. Its a well known fact that certain individuals have 
been operating against us.
You obviously were lied to by your friend we sued. WE filed a motion 
to dismiss the lawsuit after two of the defendants agreed to complete 
their contracts with us. WE did it, no Judge dismissed anything. We 
filed a motion to dismiss without prejudice that means we can go back at 
anytime. Do you understand that? We instructed the Assistant Attorney 
General to draft it up, we signed it and filed it once two of the 
defendants came forward to spill the beans. We

Re: [meteorite-list] Dhofar - Jiddat al Harasis

[Michel Franco]

And there is even a find at sea , I'll buy it definitly !!!
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Dhofar - Jiddat al Harasis


Bernhard, no, Jiddat al Harasis and Dhofar are two seperate regions.
Dhofar is south of Jiddat al Harasis, and encompasses a very large
part of southern Oman. Mike Farmer

I am not too familiar with the geography of Oman, but
isn't Dhofar a southwestern part of Jiddat al Harasis?
Hello All,
This is why Jeff Grossman presented us with his "Grossman Maps". So just
follow this link and you can easily locate the Dhofar, Jiddat al Harasis, 
and
Sayh al Uhaimir find areas sitting neatly side by side:

http://meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/areas/oman-s.jpg
Best wishes,
Bernd
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[meteorite-list] Dhofar - Jiddat al Harasis

[bernd . pauli]

> Bernhard, no, Jiddat al Harasis and Dhofar are two seperate regions.
> Dhofar is south of Jiddat al Harasis, and encompasses a very large
> part of southern Oman. Mike Farmer

> I am not too familiar with the geography of Oman, but
> isn't Dhofar a southwestern part of Jiddat al Harasis?

Hello All,

This is why Jeff Grossman presented us with his "Grossman Maps". So just
follow this link and you can easily locate the Dhofar, Jiddat al Harasis, and
Sayh al Uhaimir find areas sitting neatly side by side:

http://meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/areas/oman-s.jpg


Best wishes,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Enjoy this beauty

[Michael Farmer]

Bernhard, no, Jiddat al Harasis and Dhofar are two seperate regions.
Dhofar is south of Jiddat al Harasis, and encompasses a very large part of 
southern Oman.
Mike Farmer
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Svend,
I am not too familiar with the geography of Oman, but isn't Dhofar a
southwestern part of Jiddat al Harasis?
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To: Bernhard Rems
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enjoy this beauty
Bernhard and list,
beautiful piece indeed - and well displayed in your fine gallery.
But according to the coordinates and nomenclature the find location of
Dhofar 535 should be the "Dhofar" region and not Jiddat al Harasis
("JAH").
best wishes
Svend
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http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery/viennametcoll/757_dho_535_1
My latest acquisition - I just LOVE ungrouped meteorites :-).
Bernhard
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[McomeMeteorite Meteorite]

Sincerely I do not believe to nothing of what you write... and what it is 
written us in your site then. 


From: "S. Ray DeRusse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: McomeMeteorite Meteorite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:30:25 -0600

Matteo;
We think your implying that we fabricated any email from Dirk Ross is 
preposterous and absurd. We have no reason to fabricate analytical data, 
emails or anything from anyone for that matter. I suppose you think we 
fabricated the email below from Dr. Oliver Manuel to Bill Cutler in which 
he agrees with us and welcomes some measure of controls on rogue 
scientists? Is that what you think? We realized the level of absurdity from 
you and many others when you endlessly debated whether a meteorite fall is 
hot to the touch back in 2002. You guys endlessly debated this issue and 
some trained scientists even weighed in on the issue but only served to 
cloud it. Since ya'll never settled it let me tell you the heat generated 
by a meteorite fall is proportional to the metal content. That is to say 
the higher the metal content the hotter to the touch.duh. That means 
that stony meteorites will only be warm to the touch whereas iron-nickel 
meteorites will be hot. Good luck and stop being so absurd and 
preposterous.

From Dr. Oliver Manuel;
Thanks, Bill, for the message.
I wish NASA's new policy might correct the problem.
Science rests on one of the oldest spiritual truths, e.g. from the
Upanishads, "Truth is victorious, never untruth."
It appears NASA officials mistakenly believed for decades that good
PR (public relations) is more important than truth.
NASA held the purse strings and misconduct from NASA spread into
peripheral organizations.
For example, how much NASA money, how many pages of MAPS and GCA, and
how many hours of Lunar Science Conference time has been devoted to
questionable but flashy discoveries like AN ALPHABET OF NEONS (Ne-A,
Ne-B, Ne-C, Ne-D, Ne-E, etc.), SUPER-HEAVY ELEMENTS, INTERSTELLAR
DIAMONDS, STAR DUST, etc. while more mundane explanations (MASS
FRACTIONATION, LOCAL ELEMENT SYNTHESIS, etc.) were ignored and/or
excluded from publication?
What is the result?
1. NASA - the world's premier space agency - failed to appreciate
that samples from the Apollo mission clearly revealed severe mass
separation in the Sun.  There is little doubt about this conclusion.
See "Composition of the Solar Interior: Information from Isotope
Ratios"
http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2002/soho-gong2002.pdf
http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2002/soho-gong2002.ps
2.  NASA - the world's premier space agency - failed to appreciate
that the Galileo probe into the atmosphere of Jupiter confirmed that
material there is unlike that in the Sun.  See Ken Windler's report
on "strange" xenon isotopes in Jupiter.
 http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2001/windleranalysis.pdf
In 1983 we noted that the Galileo mission to Jupiter would find
"strange" xenon there, if we were correct in concluding that the Sun
is iron-rich from the Apollo mission to the Moon ["Solar abundance of
the elements", Meteoritics 18, 209-222].
NASA's engineering has been great, but its science has been a dismal
failure.  Unfortunately, scientific journals share some of the blame.
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
McomeMeteorite Meteorite wrote:
I doubt many Dirk Ross write this

From: "S. Ray DeRusse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE 
READ
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:20:16 -0600

Greetings List;
I would like respond to Mr. Notkin. Mr. Notkin you prove that if you 
wnat to get your facts straight you have to go to the source. Yes we did 
file a lawsuit sometime back against numerous individuals when we 
discovered they interfering with some others we were working with on the 
meteorite project. Its a well known fact that certain individuals have 
been operating against us.
You obviously were lied to by your friend we sued. WE filed a motion 
to dismiss the lawsuit after two of the defendants agreed to complete 
their contracts with us. WE did it, no Judge dismissed anything. We filed 
a motion to dismiss without prejudice that means we can go back at 
anytime. Do you understand that? We instructed the Assistant Attorney 
General to draft it up, we signed it and filed it once two of the 
defendants came forward to spill the beans. We that means us Mr. Notkin.
Now as far the samples, and being told nicely about anything. First 
of all if the samples were not authentic why would UT try to steal the 
ones that were in left in the lab with them? It was not until we blew the 
whistle on them that this controversy began to get out of hand. If you 
think that all scientists are honest and do not lie, cheat, and steal, 
having same, similar or different motives, Mr. Notkin I have ne

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[S. Ray DeRusse]

Matteo;
We think your implying that we fabricated any email from Dirk Ross is 
preposterous and absurd. We have no reason to fabricate analytical data, 
emails or anything from anyone for that matter. I suppose you think we 
fabricated the email below from Dr. Oliver Manuel to Bill Cutler in 
which he agrees with us and welcomes some measure of controls on rogue 
scientists? Is that what you think? We realized the level of absurdity 
from you and many others when you endlessly debated whether a meteorite 
fall is hot to the touch back in 2002. You guys endlessly debated this 
issue and some trained scientists even weighed in on the issue but only 
served to cloud it. Since ya'll never settled it let me tell you the 
heat generated by a meteorite fall is proportional to the metal content. 
That is to say the higher the metal content the hotter to the 
touch.duh. That means that stony meteorites will only be warm to the 
touch whereas iron-nickel meteorites will be hot. Good luck and stop 
being so absurd and preposterous.

From Dr. Oliver Manuel;
Thanks, Bill, for the message.
I wish NASA's new policy might correct the problem.
Science rests on one of the oldest spiritual truths, e.g. from the
Upanishads, "Truth is victorious, never untruth."
It appears NASA officials mistakenly believed for decades that good
PR (public relations) is more important than truth.
NASA held the purse strings and misconduct from NASA spread into
peripheral organizations.
For example, how much NASA money, how many pages of MAPS and GCA, and
how many hours of Lunar Science Conference time has been devoted to
questionable but flashy discoveries like AN ALPHABET OF NEONS (Ne-A,
Ne-B, Ne-C, Ne-D, Ne-E, etc.), SUPER-HEAVY ELEMENTS, INTERSTELLAR
DIAMONDS, STAR DUST, etc. while more mundane explanations (MASS
FRACTIONATION, LOCAL ELEMENT SYNTHESIS, etc.) were ignored and/or
excluded from publication?
What is the result?
1. NASA - the world's premier space agency - failed to appreciate
that samples from the Apollo mission clearly revealed severe mass
separation in the Sun.  There is little doubt about this conclusion.
See "Composition of the Solar Interior: Information from Isotope
Ratios"
http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2002/soho-gong2002.pdf
http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2002/soho-gong2002.ps
2.  NASA - the world's premier space agency - failed to appreciate
that the Galileo probe into the atmosphere of Jupiter confirmed that
material there is unlike that in the Sun.  See Ken Windler's report
on "strange" xenon isotopes in Jupiter.
 http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2001/windleranalysis.pdf
In 1983 we noted that the Galileo mission to Jupiter would find
"strange" xenon there, if we were correct in concluding that the Sun
is iron-rich from the Apollo mission to the Moon ["Solar abundance of
the elements", Meteoritics 18, 209-222].
NASA's engineering has been great, but its science has been a dismal
failure.  Unfortunately, scientific journals share some of the blame.
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
McomeMeteorite Meteorite wrote:
I doubt many Dirk Ross write this

From: "S. Ray DeRusse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE 
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:20:16 -0600

Greetings List;
I would like respond to Mr. Notkin. Mr. Notkin you prove that if 
you wnat to get your facts straight you have to go to the source. Yes 
we did file a lawsuit sometime back against numerous individuals when 
we discovered they interfering with some others we were working with 
on the meteorite project. Its a well known fact that certain 
individuals have been operating against us.
You obviously were lied to by your friend we sued. WE filed a 
motion to dismiss the lawsuit after two of the defendants agreed to 
complete their contracts with us. WE did it, no Judge dismissed 
anything. We filed a motion to dismiss without prejudice that means we 
can go back at anytime. Do you understand that? We instructed the 
Assistant Attorney General to draft it up, we signed it and filed it 
once two of the defendants came forward to spill the beans. We that 
means us Mr. Notkin.
Now as far the samples, and being told nicely about anything. 
First of all if the samples were not authentic why would UT try to 
steal the ones that were in left in the lab with them? It was not 
until we blew the whistle on them that this controversy began to get 
out of hand. If you think that all scientists are honest and do not 
lie, cheat, and steal, having same, similar or different motives, Mr. 
Notkin I have news for you, you too are in living world that does not 
exist. I would hope that you know the difference between a 
typographical error and an actual misspelling, but for some people, 
thinking on their own is a lot of work. Good luck Mr. Notkin and I 
really mean that.

Here's an entirely differenct viewpoint from Dirk Ross
Dear Mr. DeR

Re: [meteorite-list] willamette iron meteorite

[Grant L. Elliott]

Elton,
Well said!! From those of us who "might own" a small piece of this 
meteorite/ artifact. I've never seen Beaver pelts used in trade-
Grant Elliott

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From: "E. L. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] willamette iron meteorite


I doubt there is any that is legally available for collectors now that the 
Feds have stepped in. I am pretty sure all the Willamette meteorite is 
claimed and ratified by a US Federal Court as a native religious artifact 
by the consolidated tribes in Oregon and thus subject to return to them. 
They have claimed ownership of the "main mass" in the New York 
Planetarium and in a legal agreement they have placed the main mass on loan 
rather than tear down the whole thing to get it out.

If it just came from Europe-- Shouldn't it be seized in customs?  Sure it 
is a ittsy bitty amount-- 45 grams  as compared to the main mass but those 
Native Americans were pretty successful and almost made the City of New 
York tear down the planetarium.  I don't think they would tear down your 
house , Steve.  However now that they know you know where it is they will 
probably ask the FBI to seize it  since it has been recognized in a US 
Court as a native artifact.  But if it were me I'd go for it and fight 
them in court.  You might fair better being a single individual rather 
than being the city of New York.

You might be able to get the recognized owners to let you keep it on loan 
if you can trade them beaver pelts or something else they need.  Maybe you 
could buy it and let the contact in Europe keep it for you and you can go 
visit it.  I don't think the US law directly applies to Europeans.  To get 
an artifact returned for overseas the owner has to go  through a UN Agency 
and it would take a few years for them to act maybe.

Good Luck  Let us know how the trade goes.
EJ
Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote:
Hi list.I need some info on the willamette meteorite.I know according to
meteorites A to z, IT SAYS,a IIIAB iron, found 1902, clackamas
co.,oregon.TKW is 14.100 kilo's.But what I need to know, is what is the
availability in collections around the world.I am making another major
trade from my collection, and I'll be getting a 45 gram slice of the
willamette iron.And no it is not shale.I have seen the actual piece.The
only history I know of this piece,is that it was in a major  collection in
europe.And now resides up here in the states.If anyone can help please let
me know when you can.
   steve
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I doubt many Dirk Ross write this

From: "S. Ray DeRusse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Greetings List;
	I would like respond to Mr. Notkin. Mr. Notkin you prove that if you wnat 
to get your facts straight you have to go to the source. Yes we did file a 
lawsuit sometime back against numerous individuals when we discovered they 
interfering with some others we were working with on the meteorite project. 
Its a well known fact that certain individuals have been operating against 
us.
	You obviously were lied to by your friend we sued. WE filed a motion to 
dismiss the lawsuit after two of the defendants agreed to complete their 
contracts with us. WE did it, no Judge dismissed anything. We filed a 
motion to dismiss without prejudice that means we can go back at anytime. 
Do you understand that? We instructed the Assistant Attorney General to 
draft it up, we signed it and filed it once two of the defendants came 
forward to spill the beans. We that means us Mr. Notkin.
	Now as far the samples, and being told nicely about anything. First of all 
if the samples were not authentic why would UT try to steal the ones that 
were in left in the lab with them? It was not until we blew the whistle on 
them that this controversy began to get out of hand. If you think that all 
scientists are honest and do not lie, cheat, and steal, having same, 
similar or different motives, Mr. Notkin I have news for you, you too are 
in living world that does not exist. I would hope that you know the 
difference between a typographical error and an actual misspelling, but for 
some people, thinking on their own is a lot of work. Good luck Mr. Notkin 
and I really mean that.

Here's an entirely differenct viewpoint from Dirk Ross
Dear Mr. DeRusse,
  I have been doing research since 1980.  But, my last
research was last year at Yamaguchi University in
Japan.
  I have read most of your writings on the internet.
You certainly are an educated person.  I can
understand your wish for students and scientists to
think "outside" of the box.  I agree with you on this
point.  I always ask and demand my students to think
independently so that science can advance what is
known.
  I apologize for my initial judgement about you
before knowing more about the whole story. Keep up
your search for fact.  About truth, I leave that for
God.   Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Notkin wrote:
Jonathan posted:

 I'm back on the list. What is BCC meteorites about? I have heard a lot 
about it and read their site but I still don't understand. Odd.


Dear Jonathan and Fellow Listees:
Jonathan, yes you are absolutely right. It is very "odd" and nobody else 
understands their site either because their site is nonsense.

I would like all my fellow List members to be made aware of something 
important: These BCC "Meteorites" characters filed an actual lawsuit 
against a number of prominent, respected and very well-liked senior 
meteoriticists here in the U.S (one of whom is a personal friend of mine). 
The suit was -- of course -- thrown out by the judge for being utterly 
frivolous. It's just too bad these clowns weren't heavily fined for 
wasting court time.

BCC "Meteorites" seems to believe that there's some kind of high-level 
conspiracy/cover-up going on between NASA and major meteoritical 
institutions -- all because BCC "Meteorites" have been told (nicely and 
repeatedly) that the junk items they dig out of their bog, or whatever, in 
Texas are not actually fossilized alien brains, UFO warp core spare parts, 
Lunar meteorites, Dick Tracy wrist watch radios, etc., but just plain old 
dull terrestrial rocks. I think we all enjoy a good eccentric, and the 
whole thing would have been somewhat amusing in a "Benny Hill" sort of way 
if these guys hadn't been really nasty to some really nice people during 
their imaginary scientific journey.

We have our squabbles on the List from time to time, but we are all united 
in our interest in the SCIENCE of meteoritics. The 
technobabble/gobbledygook pseudo-science offered up on the BCC 
"Meteorites" website -- and written, I might add, in appalling elementary 
school English so laden with spelling errors and grammatical mistakes that 
you couldn't follow their argument even if it *were* sound -- should not 
be allowed promotion here on the Meteorite List. Novice collectors, still 
learning about meteorites, might be hoodwinked into believing some of the 
fatuous claims that are made on the BCC website.

So, I strongly suggest that we -- as a community -- block the email 
addresses of these guys DeRusse and Cutler immediately and permanently. 
They just want attention, and the best way to eradicate this kind of 

Re: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ

[S. Ray DeRusse]

Greetings List;
	I would like respond to Mr. Notkin. Mr. Notkin you prove that if you 
wnat to get your facts straight you have to go to the source. Yes we did 
file a lawsuit sometime back against numerous individuals when we 
discovered they interfering with some others we were working with on the 
meteorite project. Its a well known fact that certain individuals have 
been operating against us.
	You obviously were lied to by your friend we sued. WE filed a motion to 
dismiss the lawsuit after two of the defendants agreed to complete their 
contracts with us. WE did it, no Judge dismissed anything. We filed a 
motion to dismiss without prejudice that means we can go back at 
anytime. Do you understand that? We instructed the Assistant Attorney 
General to draft it up, we signed it and filed it once two of the 
defendants came forward to spill the beans. We that means us Mr. Notkin.
	Now as far the samples, and being told nicely about anything. First of 
all if the samples were not authentic why would UT try to steal the ones 
that were in left in the lab with them? It was not until we blew the 
whistle on them that this controversy began to get out of hand. If you 
think that all scientists are honest and do not lie, cheat, and steal, 
having same, similar or different motives, Mr. Notkin I have news for 
you, you too are in living world that does not exist. I would hope that 
you know the difference between a typographical error and an actual 
misspelling, but for some people, thinking on their own is a lot of 
work. Good luck Mr. Notkin and I really mean that.

Here's an entirely differenct viewpoint from Dirk Ross
Dear Mr. DeRusse,
  I have been doing research since 1980.  But, my last
research was last year at Yamaguchi University in
Japan.
  I have read most of your writings on the internet.
You certainly are an educated person.  I can
understand your wish for students and scientists to
think "outside" of the box.  I agree with you on this
point.  I always ask and demand my students to think
independently so that science can advance what is
known.
  I apologize for my initial judgement about you
before knowing more about the whole story. Keep up
your search for fact.  About truth, I leave that for
God.   Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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www.bccmeteorites.com

Notkin wrote:
Jonathan posted:

 I'm back on the list. What is BCC meteorites about? I have heard a 
lot about it and read their site but I still don't understand. Odd.


Dear Jonathan and Fellow Listees:
Jonathan, yes you are absolutely right. It is very "odd" and nobody else 
understands their site either because their site is nonsense.

I would like all my fellow List members to be made aware of something 
important: These BCC "Meteorites" characters filed an actual lawsuit 
against a number of prominent, respected and very well-liked senior 
meteoriticists here in the U.S (one of whom is a personal friend of 
mine). The suit was -- of course -- thrown out by the judge for being 
utterly frivolous. It's just too bad these clowns weren't heavily fined 
for wasting court time.

BCC "Meteorites" seems to believe that there's some kind of high-level 
conspiracy/cover-up going on between NASA and major meteoritical 
institutions -- all because BCC "Meteorites" have been told (nicely and 
repeatedly) that the junk items they dig out of their bog, or whatever, 
in Texas are not actually fossilized alien brains, UFO warp core spare 
parts, Lunar meteorites, Dick Tracy wrist watch radios, etc., but just 
plain old dull terrestrial rocks. I think we all enjoy a good eccentric, 
and the whole thing would have been somewhat amusing in a "Benny Hill" 
sort of way if these guys hadn't been really nasty to some really nice 
people during their imaginary scientific journey.

We have our squabbles on the List from time to time, but we are all 
united in our interest in the SCIENCE of meteoritics. The 
technobabble/gobbledygook pseudo-science offered up on the BCC 
"Meteorites" website -- and written, I might add, in appalling 
elementary school English so laden with spelling errors and grammatical 
mistakes that you couldn't follow their argument even if it *were* sound 
-- should not be allowed promotion here on the Meteorite List. Novice 
collectors, still learning about meteorites, might be hoodwinked into 
believing some of the fatuous claims that are made on the BCC website.

So, I strongly suggest that we -- as a community -- block the email 
addresses of these guys DeRusse and Cutler immediately and permanently. 
They just want attention, and the best way to eradicate this kind of 
fake science rubbish is to ignore the perpetrators entirely. They'll 
likely get bored and wander off to some UFO conspiracy 
theory/Creationist mailing list of which -- unfortunately -- there are 
probably several. A request from a few of

Re: [meteorite-list] French meteorite wanted !

[Zelimir Gabelica]

Hi Pierre-Marie,
An impressive want list indeed (I understand your "ouf").
Note that these meteorites are (probably) virtually not available to 
collectors.

As also a lover of French meteorites I could have built exactly the same 
want list either (except a 12 g Hainaut (trade) and small (symbolic) chips 
of Kerilis, Lançon and St Mesmin that I happened, often by chance, to acquire).

I believe these meteorites are sitting in some Frebch museums (and/or 
elsewhere as well ?) somewhere "behind the curtain" for ages, with 
(probably) no chances for sale/trade. I hope I am wrong and that the 
concerned curators are reading our posts.

But I agree that if you never ask a question, for sure, you'll never get an 
answer. Perhaps some of us from the list can help you ?
Good luck and if you succeed for some, let me know, I a ready to 
purchase/trade some of the remainings, if any...

I am being answering your other concerns (about the next Ensisheim meeting) 
off list. I will then notify the list soon for the official anouncement of 
"Ensisheim 2005"

Best to all,
Zelimir
A 20:59 22/11/04 +0100, vous avez écrit :
Hello to the List members,
I'm missing the following rarities in my collection of
french meteorites :
Alais
Aumières
Beuste
Caille
Charsonville
Chitenay
Clohars
Epinal
Esnandes
Favars
Galapian
Granès
Hainaut
Kerilis
La Bécasse
Lançon
Le Pressoir
Les Ormes
Lucé
Luponnas
Marmande
Mascombes
Mezel
Montlivault
Mornans
Quinçay
Saint-Caprais-de-Quinsac
Saint-Chinian
Saint-Christophe-la-Chartreuse
Sainte-Marguerite
Saint-Germain-du-Pinel
Saint-Mesmin
Sainte-Rose
Salles
Sauguis
Toulouse
Villedieu
Ouf ! (means in french list was long and I'm tired to
have typed it ;-)
Does anyone have some for sale (not big, just
fragments or small slices) ?
Thanks in advance,
Pierre-Marie Pele
www.meteor-center.com


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Re: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ

[David Freeman]

Dear Bruce, List, Art;
Yes, THREE would also work for me.
Very best,
Dave Freeman
the science of stromatolites
mjwy
Wyoming correspondent
Bruce Yankewitz wrote:
 

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I hope he removes three.
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[McomeMeteorite Meteorite]

I not sale fake lunar material

From: "stan ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:04:08 +
werent YOU removed from the list?

From: "McomeMeteorite Meteorite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE 
READ
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:41:00 +0100

I hope Jones remove this 2 liars from the list

From: "Notkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:31:19 -0700
Jonathan posted:

 I'm back on the list. What is BCC meteorites about? I have heard a lot 
about it and read their site but I still don't understand. Odd.

Dear Jonathan and Fellow Listees:
Jonathan, yes you are absolutely right. It is very "odd" and nobody else 
understands their site either because their site is nonsense.

I would like all my fellow List members to be made aware of something 
important: These BCC "Meteorites" characters filed an actual lawsuit 
against a number of prominent, respected and very well-liked senior 
meteoriticists here in the U.S (one of whom is a personal friend of 
mine). The suit was -- of course -- thrown out by the judge for being 
utterly frivolous. It's just too bad these clowns weren't heavily fined 
for wasting court time.

BCC "Meteorites" seems to believe that there's some kind of high-level 
conspiracy/cover-up going on between NASA and major meteoritical 
institutions -- all because BCC "Meteorites" have been told (nicely and 
repeatedly) that the junk items they dig out of their bog, or whatever, 
in Texas are not actually fossilized alien brains, UFO warp core spare 
parts, Lunar meteorites, Dick Tracy wrist watch radios, etc., but just 
plain old dull terrestrial rocks. I think we all enjoy a good eccentric, 
and the whole thing would have been somewhat amusing in a "Benny Hill" 
sort of way if these guys hadn't been really nasty to some really nice 
people during their imaginary scientific journey.

We have our squabbles on the List from time to time, but we are all 
united in our interest in the SCIENCE of meteoritics. The 
technobabble/gobbledygook pseudo-science offered up on the BCC 
"Meteorites" website -- and written, I might add, in appalling elementary 
school English so laden with spelling errors and grammatical mistakes 
that you couldn't follow their argument even if it *were* sound -- should 
not be allowed promotion here on the Meteorite List. Novice collectors, 
still learning about meteorites, might be hoodwinked into believing some 
of the fatuous claims that are made on the BCC website.

So, I strongly suggest that we -- as a community -- block the email 
addresses of these guys DeRusse and Cutler immediately and permanently. 
They just want attention, and the best way to eradicate this kind of fake 
science rubbish is to ignore the perpetrators entirely. They'll likely 
get bored and wander off to some UFO conspiracy theory/Creationist 
mailing list of which -- unfortunately -- there are probably several. A 
request from a few of you to List Moderator Art Jones ( 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) to have them removed from the List 
wouldn't hurt either.

Oh, and BTW, if you look at the first photo on their website, the guy 
with the white gloves looks like "Dr. No."   : )


Not at all respectfully,
Geoff Notkin
Science writer interested in actual science and real 
meteorites

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RE: [meteorite-list] Enjoy this beauty

[Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems]

Svend,

I am not too familiar with the geography of Oman, but isn't Dhofar a
southwestern part of Jiddat al Harasis?

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To: Bernhard Rems
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enjoy this beauty

Bernhard and list,

beautiful piece indeed - and well displayed in your fine gallery.

But according to the coordinates and nomenclature the find location of
Dhofar 535 should be the "Dhofar" region and not Jiddat al Harasis
("JAH").

best wishes 

Svend

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http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery/viennametcoll/757_dho_535_1

My latest acquisition - I just LOVE ungrouped meteorites :-).

Bernhard

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[stan .]

werent YOU removed from the list?

From: "McomeMeteorite Meteorite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:41:00 +0100
I hope Jones remove this 2 liars from the list

From: "Notkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:31:19 -0700
Jonathan posted:

 I'm back on the list. What is BCC meteorites about? I have heard a lot 
about it and read their site but I still don't understand. Odd.

Dear Jonathan and Fellow Listees:
Jonathan, yes you are absolutely right. It is very "odd" and nobody else 
understands their site either because their site is nonsense.

I would like all my fellow List members to be made aware of something 
important: These BCC "Meteorites" characters filed an actual lawsuit 
against a number of prominent, respected and very well-liked senior 
meteoriticists here in the U.S (one of whom is a personal friend of mine). 
The suit was -- of course -- thrown out by the judge for being utterly 
frivolous. It's just too bad these clowns weren't heavily fined for 
wasting court time.

BCC "Meteorites" seems to believe that there's some kind of high-level 
conspiracy/cover-up going on between NASA and major meteoritical 
institutions -- all because BCC "Meteorites" have been told (nicely and 
repeatedly) that the junk items they dig out of their bog, or whatever, in 
Texas are not actually fossilized alien brains, UFO warp core spare parts, 
Lunar meteorites, Dick Tracy wrist watch radios, etc., but just plain old 
dull terrestrial rocks. I think we all enjoy a good eccentric, and the 
whole thing would have been somewhat amusing in a "Benny Hill" sort of way 
if these guys hadn't been really nasty to some really nice people during 
their imaginary scientific journey.

We have our squabbles on the List from time to time, but we are all united 
in our interest in the SCIENCE of meteoritics. The 
technobabble/gobbledygook pseudo-science offered up on the BCC 
"Meteorites" website -- and written, I might add, in appalling elementary 
school English so laden with spelling errors and grammatical mistakes that 
you couldn't follow their argument even if it *were* sound -- should not 
be allowed promotion here on the Meteorite List. Novice collectors, still 
learning about meteorites, might be hoodwinked into believing some of the 
fatuous claims that are made on the BCC website.

So, I strongly suggest that we -- as a community -- block the email 
addresses of these guys DeRusse and Cutler immediately and permanently. 
They just want attention, and the best way to eradicate this kind of fake 
science rubbish is to ignore the perpetrators entirely. They'll likely get 
bored and wander off to some UFO conspiracy theory/Creationist mailing 
list of which -- unfortunately -- there are probably several. A request 
from a few of you to List Moderator Art Jones ( 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) to have them removed from the List wouldn't 
hurt either.

Oh, and BTW, if you look at the first photo on their website, the guy with 
the white gloves looks like "Dr. No."   : )


Not at all respectfully,
Geoff Notkin
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meteorites

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Re: [meteorite-list] slabbed meteorites

[stan .]

I was attempting to be sarcastic.
ah - it's late here too and i must have missed it.
 I mistook Bill's comments to be an attack
on profiteering.  I'd rather pay the $7/g because I know there's a lot of
value added from of all the effort it takes to have the testing, cutting
etc. done.  I'd rather spend what free time I do have on prospecting and
meteorite hunting around here (and so have that lower paying stable job 
most
of us settle for) and leave Morocco to those who have the necessary drive 
it
takes to succeed.
FWIW you dont have to be a hard core meteorite dealer with 30 trips overseas 
under your belt to be able to buy out of morocco.. it's something that 
really anyone can do.

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