[meteorite-list] Young chondrules in Gujba and HaH237 - Where is the beef?
Hi list, I read again the posts and links about that sensational discovery of young chondrules and the subsequent revolution for the theory of the formation of the solar system, but I have the problem, that nowhere the ages are given - did I miss them? Bernhard sent me the abstract of the article in Nature, there I find the ages in billions of years: CAIs: 4,567.2 +/- 0.7 Myr Gujba: 4,562.7 +/- 0.5 Myr HaH 237:4,562.8 +- 0.9 Myr Further it says, that the process of chondrule formation lasted about 3 Myr and shortly started after that of the CAIs. If you then additionally add the given error margins of their values, then the stuff was built at the same time, as other chondrules too! That would be not remarkable or did I miss some figures? Buckleboo Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] Re: Tucson
Never going to happen. The tucson show has too big of a draw to worry about saving a few bucks on the room. Dealers would lose money in the long run. Randy - Original Message - From: MarkF [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteor list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:19 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Tucson Hi list Have been checking hotel rates and I found that Laughlin Nevada has $25/night Sunday-Thursday and $49/night Friday and Saturday rates during the Cloud's jamboree with special rates for vendors at some hotels. Its too late I'd think to change from Tucson to Laughlin for the upcoming show, but for 2007, I'd like to see some serious thought put towards the move of the meteorite show. Cloud's jamboree has long been a major rock and gem show and combined with the GLW wholesale show, it provides for many vendors and buyers from around the world, not to mention the tourist trade. With many (thousands) of rooms just in the casino hotels, nearby Kingman and Needles also offer hotels and an easy commute, finding a place to stay shouldn't be the problem like at Tucson The only drawback is flights which either put you into Kingman or Las Vegas. But still, would be minor when a flight and car to Nevada are under $400 r/t Mark. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Big Ben Guerir272g ends in 5 hour
Hi I want to send last reminder that big fresh crusted fragment # Meteorite BEN GUERIR [LL6] NEW FALL FROM MOROCO 272g# http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6555075444 will gonna die for 1$/g :-D Please call rescue team at 911 ! # Meteorite GAO-GUENIE [H5] big specimen 75g # http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6555075412 # Meteorite SEELÄSGEN [IIICD] RARE from Poland 9.24g# http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6555075378 -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - meteorite sale - new type 3 from NWA
Hallo List, for all of you who are interested, I want to offer you a brand new meteorite from NWA. This meteorite is under classification and will have it´s own NWA number soon. There were 10 meteorites with a TKW of only 209 grams. I bought the whole lot of all what was available. The matrix is overloaded with chondrules. My best guess what it could be is a H3.X because it is more atracting to a magnet than a L-meteorite, but only the classification will tell at last for sure what it realy is. Every buyer will get the whole classification details from me after I received the infos from the insitute. Here is the link to click on it, or to copy into your browser. http://www.strufe.net/special_typ3.htm Best regards Hanno Strufe Langenbergstrasse 32 66954 Pirmasens Germany Phone + Fax: +49 6331 225 105 www.strufe.net IMCA #4267 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Something stange
Hi All, some week ago I went to the home of the finder of many famous DaG meteorite, like 489 669 670 671 and many more. In DaG he found this strange volcanic bomb: http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/DSCN4101.JPG http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/DSCN4102.JPG http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/DSCN4103.JPG http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/DSCN4104.JPG http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/DSCN4105.JPG As you can see on one side of this bomb there are some strange greenish crystals. At a first look this material looks like Libic Desert Glass Remember that the DaG is several hundred Km far from the region of the Glass. I think the crystals are too big to be terrestrial Olivine. Can the Desert Glass be a normal terrestrial volcanic glass like Oxidian, not correlate with meteor impact??? Any idea ?? I hope I can show to you this amazing sample at the Munich Mineral Show. Bye and thanks Francesco Moser http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/ IMCA #1510 www.imca.cc AAT www.astrofilitrentini.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Tucson
Mark posted: Cloud's jamboree has long been a major rock and gem show and combined with the GLW wholesale show, it provides for many vendors and buyers from around the world, not to mention the tourist trade. Dear Mark and List: I'm not familiar with Cloud's Jamboree, but would like to be. Do you know the dates for that show, or is there a website? If so, please forward, I'd like to check it out. Does this show take place in Laughlin? Its too late I'd think to change from Tucson to Laughlin for the upcoming show, but for 2007, I'd like to see some serious thought put towards the move of the meteorite show. The Gem show has been running in Tucson for 51 years. It's a huge moneymaker for the promoters and the city, and it's not going to move to another town just so visitors can maybe get cheaper hotel rooms, though having paid some hefty hotel bills here in the past, I do sympathize with you. rant Rooms in Tucson are cheap now -- you can get a nice suite next to the pool for $49/night. As you know, they go up drastically during the show due to the greed of hotel owners and promoters who squeeze every penny they can out of visiting dealers and buyers. Even a single at the crummy Super 8 on Frontage Road costs $89/night + a high occupancy tax during the show -- if you're lucky. There has been a lot of unofficial grumbling about the show from certain dealers, and they have every right to grumble, especially this past year (Feb. 2005) when so many were moved to new locations, mistreated by promoters, and forced to set up in useless hotels with no walk-in traffic, miles away from the main show. In addition, vendors are harassed by state officials over the use of non-regulated digital scales and sales tax issues. The Gem show is the biggest event of the year for us here in Tucson. Every hotel room in town is booked, and every decent restaurant is packed night after night. IMO the city should be very grateful for this gigantic income and do more to help visiting vendors, instead of hassling them. Also, it would be nice if JUST ONCE they suspended road work downtown for those two weeks. Another peeve of mine is the gang of urchins who charge $5 to park on some patch of waste ground next to the highway which is vacant for the rest of the year. The show promoters are making enough money -- they need to provide adequate free parking and better shuttle bus service. /rant A few suggestions for show visitors looking to save money: - Buddy up with two or three of your pals, and get a big suite in a nicer hotel. It ends up being cheaper per person, plus you can throw some monster parties. - Stay at one of the motels on the outskirts of town -- off the highway (I-10). There are a number to choose from and they are a little cheaper (Motel 6 in South Tucson, which we used to call Motel Hell, In-Town Suites on Ina, etc.). - Camp outside the city and drive in each day. - Find a motel in a neighboring town, like Benson, and commute to the show each morning by car. You have to really like driving for this to work. - Stay at one of the cheap dodgy Bates Motel motels on Miracle Mile or North Oracle. Steve Arnold IMB and I had to do that one time and we got a room with no bed sheets for $50 cash. I have friends who stay every year at the No-Tel Motel on N. Oracle and they always *do* have some stories to tell. - Crash on Blaine Reed's floor (sorry Blaine, just kidding). - Stay at my house like everybody else -- oops, sorry already full up for next year Or . . . do what I did and just move here. Then the room prices aren't even an issue : ) With many (thousands) of rooms just in the casino hotels, nearby Kingman and Needles also offer hotels and an easy commute, finding a place to stay shouldn't be the problem like at Tucson I can hardly believe there are more hotel rooms in Laughlin than Tucson. Greater Tucson has a population of ~1,000,000; Laughlin ~8,000. Another reason the Tucson show is a lasting success is because people like coming here, especially in the winter. Tucson is a great city with a fascinating history and all kinds entertainment and cultural options. No offense to Laughlin, which is fun for a night out at the casino, but you can't compare it to Tucson. Whatever you do, may I suggest that you book your rooms way in advance. It is always very difficult to get any kind of a room around showtime, and no you can't camp in my yard, sorry. We have wild bobcats and I don't want to have to clean up the mess in the morning : ) Best wishes, and I hope to see you in February. Geoff N. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Tucson
Dear List, Do not stay at, I repeat do not stay at: ECONO LODGE TUCSON 1136 N STONE AVE TUCSON AZ US 85705 Phone: 520-622-6714 We booked a three bedroom suite at this rat hole only to find out it is run by a bunch of Indian con artists. The first thing they did when we checked in is try to charge us an extra $150.00 for the day before we arrived saying that we called and wanted the room a day early. We said there must have been a mistake and showed the female Indian who could barely speak English our itinerary only to have her say you pay extra night or no room. She knew how hard it was to get a room during the show and thought she had us on the spot. We refused to pay for the extra night and she told us to leave. We left after some choice words with here and here husband who manage the place and she billed my credit card nearly a $1,000.00 anyway even though we were refused service. I reported these con artists to my credit card company and an eight month battle ensued requiring legal action. She lied and said we stayed there even though I signed nothing. Luckily I had three witnesses to the unpleasant event or I would have been out of some serious money. I booked the room through Hotels.com so be careful. Take Care, Adam - Original Message - From: Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 2:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Tucson Mark posted: Cloud's jamboree has long been a major rock and gem show and combined with the GLW wholesale show, it provides for many vendors and buyers from around the world, not to mention the tourist trade. Dear Mark and List: I'm not familiar with Cloud's Jamboree, but would like to be. Do you know the dates for that show, or is there a website? If so, please forward, I'd like to check it out. Does this show take place in Laughlin? Its too late I'd think to change from Tucson to Laughlin for the upcoming show, but for 2007, I'd like to see some serious thought put towards the move of the meteorite show. The Gem show has been running in Tucson for 51 years. It's a huge moneymaker for the promoters and the city, and it's not going to move to another town just so visitors can maybe get cheaper hotel rooms, though having paid some hefty hotel bills here in the past, I do sympathize with you. rant Rooms in Tucson are cheap now -- you can get a nice suite next to the pool for $49/night. As you know, they go up drastically during the show due to the greed of hotel owners and promoters who squeeze every penny they can out of visiting dealers and buyers. Even a single at the crummy Super 8 on Frontage Road costs $89/night + a high occupancy tax during the show -- if you're lucky. There has been a lot of unofficial grumbling about the show from certain dealers, and they have every right to grumble, especially this past year (Feb. 2005) when so many were moved to new locations, mistreated by promoters, and forced to set up in useless hotels with no walk-in traffic, miles away from the main show. In addition, vendors are harassed by state officials over the use of non-regulated digital scales and sales tax issues. The Gem show is the biggest event of the year for us here in Tucson. Every hotel room in town is booked, and every decent restaurant is packed night after night. IMO the city should be very grateful for this gigantic income and do more to help visiting vendors, instead of hassling them. Also, it would be nice if JUST ONCE they suspended road work downtown for those two weeks. Another peeve of mine is the gang of urchins who charge $5 to park on some patch of waste ground next to the highway which is vacant for the rest of the year. The show promoters are making enough money -- they need to provide adequate free parking and better shuttle bus service. /rant A few suggestions for show visitors looking to save money: - Buddy up with two or three of your pals, and get a big suite in a nicer hotel. It ends up being cheaper per person, plus you can throw some monster parties. - Stay at one of the motels on the outskirts of town -- off the highway (I-10). There are a number to choose from and they are a little cheaper (Motel 6 in South Tucson, which we used to call Motel Hell, In-Town Suites on Ina, etc.). - Camp outside the city and drive in each day. - Find a motel in a neighboring town, like Benson, and commute to the show each morning by car. You have to really like driving for this to work. - Stay at one of the cheap dodgy Bates Motel motels on Miracle Mile or North Oracle. Steve Arnold IMB and I had to do that one time and we got a room with no bed sheets for $50 cash. I have friends who stay every year at the No-Tel Motel on N. Oracle and they always *do* have some stories to tell. - Crash on Blaine Reed's floor (sorry Blaine, just kidding). - Stay at my house like everybody else -- oops,
[meteorite-list] What is Nantan??
Dear Listoids, Anybody has an idea what Nantan is really classified? When you look around you you can see that for example in Meteorites from A to Z it is an IAB. Even Rob Nakhla Dog Wesels website and some others say so. In the Holy book of Richard Norton it's an IIICD and in Marvin Killgores book it's an IIIC (???). Now when there will be a respond here i suppose i will get all these types again as an answer from different people. What is the right answer? Pretty confusing!! Greetings from Holland Jan Yvonne Bartels www.heavenlybodies.nl METEORITES CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE BEST KIND __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is Nantan??
Hello Jan, Are you ready for another different answer? According to J. Wasson and G. Kallemeyn, who are the experts in iron meteorite classification, they have revised its classification (as well as the other IAB-IIICD irons) and now describe Nantan as IAB complex MG (main group). I believe Marvin was correct prior to this revision for what it's worth. David Jan Bartels wrote: Dear Listoids, Anybody has an idea what Nantan is really classified? When you look around you you can see that for example in Meteorites from A to Z it is an IAB. Even Rob Nakhla Dog Wesels website and some others say so. In the Holy book of Richard Norton it's an IIICD and in Marvin Killgores book it's an IIIC (???). Now when there will be a respond here i suppose i will get all these types again as an answer from different people. What is the right answer? Pretty confusing!! Greetings from Holland Jan Yvonne Bartels www.heavenlybodies.nl METEORITES CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE BEST KIND __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ebay fake-- do people REALLY expect someone to be that stupid?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6556827319 No photos, entire description is This meteorite compsed of iron and nickel was found in ohio. the piece wieghs about half a pound. And he expects someone to pay $250,000 for it. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Tucson
I would suggest we send 500 emails to these people with some well-chosen suggestions, and I also hope they have been reported to the Tucson BBB as well. If it were me, I would make noises to the local CofC suggesting these kinds of businesses be run out of town. If enough people bothered to complain about all the business scams there would be fewer of them. We and everyone else drop enough money at these conventions that the city can at least clean up the town. It would be a good thing for anyone else to let us all know of any other local scammers to avoid. And conversely, any especially good experiences with responsible local vendors. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Tucson Dear List, Do not stay at, I repeat do not stay at: ECONO LODGE TUCSON 1136 N STONE AVE TUCSON AZ US 85705 Phone: 520-622-6714 We booked a three bedroom suite at this rat hole only to find out it is run by a bunch of Indian con artists. The first thing they did when we checked in is try to charge us an extra $150.00 for the day before we arrived saying that we called and wanted the room a day early. We said there must have been a mistake and showed the female Indian who could barely speak English our itinerary only to have her say you pay extra night or no room. She knew how hard it was to get a room during the show and thought she had us on the spot. We refused to pay for the extra night and she told us to leave. We left after some choice words with here and here husband who manage the place and she billed my credit card nearly a $1,000.00 anyway even though we were refused service. I reported these con artists to my credit card company and an eight month battle ensued requiring legal action. She lied and said we stayed there even though I signed nothing. Luckily I had three witnesses to the unpleasant event or I would have been out of some serious money. I booked the room through Hotels.com so be careful. Take Care, Adam - Original Message - From: Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 2:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Tucson Mark posted: Cloud's jamboree has long been a major rock and gem show and combined with the GLW wholesale show, it provides for many vendors and buyers from around the world, not to mention the tourist trade. Dear Mark and List: I'm not familiar with Cloud's Jamboree, but would like to be. Do you know the dates for that show, or is there a website? If so, please forward, I'd like to check it out. Does this show take place in Laughlin? Its too late I'd think to change from Tucson to Laughlin for the upcoming show, but for 2007, I'd like to see some serious thought put towards the move of the meteorite show. The Gem show has been running in Tucson for 51 years. It's a huge moneymaker for the promoters and the city, and it's not going to move to another town just so visitors can maybe get cheaper hotel rooms, though having paid some hefty hotel bills here in the past, I do sympathize with you. rant Rooms in Tucson are cheap now -- you can get a nice suite next to the pool for $49/night. As you know, they go up drastically during the show due to the greed of hotel owners and promoters who squeeze every penny they can out of visiting dealers and buyers. Even a single at the crummy Super 8 on Frontage Road costs $89/night + a high occupancy tax during the show -- if you're lucky. There has been a lot of unofficial grumbling about the show from certain dealers, and they have every right to grumble, especially this past year (Feb. 2005) when so many were moved to new locations, mistreated by promoters, and forced to set up in useless hotels with no walk-in traffic, miles away from the main show. In addition, vendors are harassed by state officials over the use of non-regulated digital scales and sales tax issues. The Gem show is the biggest event of the year for us here in Tucson. Every hotel room in town is booked, and every decent restaurant is packed night after night. IMO the city should be very grateful for this gigantic income and do more to help visiting vendors, instead of hassling them. Also, it would be nice if JUST ONCE they suspended road work downtown for those two weeks. Another peeve of mine is the gang of urchins who charge $5 to park on some patch of waste ground next to the highway which is vacant for the rest of the year. The show promoters are making enough money -- they need to provide adequate free parking and better shuttle bus service. /rant A few suggestions for show visitors looking to save money: - Buddy up with two or three of your pals, and get a big suite in a nicer hotel. It ends
[meteorite-list] Ad Mesosiderite Sale reduced price
Hello and my apologize to everyone. I listed my New Mesosiderite a few days ago I sold one small 83g specimen but was told very nicely My price was to high so Please if you are interested in a nice mesosiderite , the large specimens are now $3/g and the small specimens at $3.50/g I will add many new eucurites and CK's and CR's next week just waiting for Ted Buch to send me the provisional Data sheets Thank you for your time . Ken Regelman http://www.arn-meteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Tucson
Hi Ron and List, My guess is that I touched some nerves with my last posting to the List about the con artists at Econo Lodge Tucson. I just received numerous responses in a matter of minutes. This incident left a bad taste in our mouths at the show but we were lucky to get a really crappy room in a bad part of town within a few hours only to find out we could have stayed across the street cheaper in a better place. It was not a good start to the show but we managed to have a great time despite these bad people. I spent months writing letters to anybody who would listen about the incident including that corporate office of Econo Lodge who permanently filed my complaint on their record. I sent emails to Triple A. who also said they would look into it. I sent a complaint to Hotels.com who did not do a thing about it. Only after taking legal action with my credit card company did anything happen. It probably took over a hundred hours of phone calls, letter writing and emails to get my money back. I asked the credit card company if they would file a criminal complaint and they said no. These crooks probably know nothing will happen to them from a criminal standpoint and will continue this unsavory practice. Welcome to America where you can get away with grand larceny with no criminal consequences. I was glad to have my money credited back because it was a very frustrating and time consuming process that I could barely spare the time for. I just want make others aware so they don't run into the same problems. Kind Regards, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay fake-- do people REALLY expect someone to bethat stupid?
Darren: After reading the question and answer in this ad, I'd guess the person selling this is 12 to 14 yrs old. He probably used his parents credit card to get access. I ran into one child purchaser a couple of years ago, I'm sure they are more common than we realize. George __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay fake-- do people REALLY expect someone tobethat stupid?
I sent the seller a message that I wouldn't spend any more than $100.000. sight-unseen, so if he wants the extra cash I'll have to see some pics...nothing, yet... From: ks1u [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay fake-- do people REALLY expect someone tobethat stupid? Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:50:49 -0400 Darren: After reading the question and answer in this ad, I'd guess the person selling this is 12 to 14 yrs old. He probably used his parents credit card to get access. I ran into one child purchaser a couple of years ago, I'm sure they are more common than we realize. George __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
