[meteorite-list] Meteoroid Energy Calculations
I just did for some for funzies calculations about the kinetic energy a meteoroid has during certain phases of flight.-- WOw! Sorry for our metric friends I calculated results in foot pounds and US Tons. A 5 kg stone passing into darkflight which is going around 1788.889m/s --a little over a mile per second but faster than a standard military 30.06 rifle bullet:5,900,732.17 foot-pounds --almost 6 million! Same stone when as it drops below supersonic speeds(341.97m/s): 215,632.7 foot-pounds About 108 foot tons!! At terminal velocity of 200mph or 89.44m/s that is 14,750.346 ft/lb or 7.5 foot-tons of compression at impact as it is converted into a meteorite. For 1kg stone:Darkflight:1,180,146.43 Mach:43,126.54 Impact:2,950.07 ft/lb For a .1 kg (100 gram) DF:118,014.64 Mach:4,312.65 Impact:295.01 (somewhere between a bullet and a record fast pitch baseball) 30kg at the ground:88,502.08--44 tons! THAT has to produce a seismic signature!!! This is also why I feel the true main reason Carancus excavated a crater, was that at the high ground altitude the booger was large anyway and had not bled off all the cosmic velocity and was probably still traveling at supersonic speeds. Say Carancus was only 300kg it would have hit the ground delivering 12,937,963 foot pounds of force if traveling anywhere near a supersonic velocity. Calculate yourself at http://www.ajdesigner.com/phpenergykenetic/kenetic_energy_equation.php They've a great many online calculator functions worth book marking! Elton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] My ebay suspension.
Hi Dean and All, Why not try amazon.com? You might list a few meteorites under Industrial Scientific and see what happens.It might take a while to build a meteorite base but if you want to diversify, why not? I've sold a few things there (not meteorites) and it takes a bit of getting used to (in fact, at first it's downright cumbersome). It's a totally different way to sell things from ebay.It's not auction based but more like Buy-It-Now. As of now, I see only meteorite posters for sale there so you may have the entire playing field all to yourself. Good luck! Carl If this works out, just remember who you got this idea from! If this DOESN'T work, blame el nino. _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fact Sheet - Possible Media Solution?
Hello List, I was greeted this morning with a front page story in the Baltimore Sun. While it could have been worse, it made me realize I need to do something to help writers focus on the facts and the real story and not to slide over and just use the more sensational answers or comments given in an interview. Also, some reports do actually attempt to do more research on their own before writing, and sometimes they interview amateurs that are even better at saying not-so-smart things like those of us with experience are also so good at doing. As Darryl mentioned the other day, reporters tend to resist writing from a Press Release and usually will work to manufacture their own story from the ground up based on what they uncover in their interviews. So maybe a solution might be a Fact Sheet I can have preprinted to give to the reporters at each interview. Of course, if I am not asked a certain question by a reporter, there is a greater chance I won't offer that fact in my interview. Or if I do, it can be out of the context of the interview and the reporter might not understand why what I said was important. Time is often a restraint, both in the interview and in the writing to meet a deadline, so it isn't always the reporters fault that they don't get around to asking the questions that would paint a clearer picture. Maybe a Fact Sheet could be in a F.A.Q. fashion? Or just stated as Facts, billet style? So, I would like some help from you guys. I would like some suggestions as to what should be included in a fact sheet, so that when handed to the reporter, they can refer to it during and/or after the interview as they might need. For starters, I can list my name and contact information, that would be good. (Nothing worse than one's name being spelled wrong in the paper.) I can list my correct age (which is 43 not 42 as erroneously stated in today's story). Which does make you pause, if a reporter can't get someone's age correct, is it any wonder that other aspects of the story might get skewed a little (or a lot) one way or another. However, in the case of Robert Haag in the Astronomy story a few years back, they listed him as 40 years old and not 50 years old. A typo I am sure! ;-) (Or as someone hinted, maybe a little slice of Zagami under the table might have helped that typo to not be spotted in time!) How about Why are meteorites are valuable to science? Q, with an appropriate and pithy answer. After all, if it wasn't for the science, we really wouldn't have much in the way of higher demand for many of our meteorites. Of course, there is a collectors market. And while the words treasure and hunter together can give a negative connotation, they can give an adventurous one as well. And we all have to admit, while it is not all just for the money, that does play at least a part in why those of us in the field do what they do. How can the fact that we are also hunting for the source of knowledge, not just cash be stated? I suppose I could go through all the media stories I have seen lately and pull out the errors and try to find out why the reporter might have got the reporting of it wrong. Then find a way to stress, in the Fact Sheet, what is the correct take should be on it. For example, after talking about how most meteorites are common and don't offer all that much valuable new information, others do. I went on that some are far more desirous to researchers than others, and to collectors as well. In that context I mentioned that meteorites can be worth from 5 cents a gram up to over $1,000 dollars a gram. There seemed to be some negative reaction from the York newspaper's story here on the M-List where that range was mentioned. Well, now the Baltimore reporter (who was in the same interview as the York reporter) decided to drop the range I had given and just somehow averaged it all out to: hundreds of dollars per gram instead. Probably shorter and easier that way for him. I am sure his editor appreciated it being shorter, in fact, maybe it was his editor that shortened it for him. Of course, factually both reporters are not incorrect as to the values, and doing a search on any dealer website and on ebay shows both of those statements to be factually correct. However, maybe I can state that a fact on my Fact Sheet that majority of all meteorites are worth from $0.20 to $2 per gram. And that certain factors determine why they might be worth more or less than that range. Any other suggestions? Oh, I would imagine Ruben might suggest that I add that Fossils are not found in meteorites. Any others? Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!
Re: [meteorite-list] Fact Sheet - Possible Media Solution?
Hey Steve, You might want to put this first on your fact sheet: I am not from Chicago. Carl _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Warning to armchair fireball chasers
Hey All, I wanted to add something here. As noted in the Baltimore Sun story today, Mike Hankey was quoted that a lot of people were contacting him by phone about the photo he captured of the fireball. I spent a couple hours with Mike at his house and at his scope, and he is really a great guy. Excited that his hobby of just 6 months produced such a lucky outcome, he was on one hand glad that people appreciate his results. On the other hand, he was starting to notice a pattern when talking with people, that while they wanted to extract information from him, they all to often were trying to hint that he shouldn't share this same information with others that might ask later. At least one had boldly asked him not to share it with anyone else. He told me that there was an offer of official recognition made if a meteorite turned up, due to his cooperation with them AND if he didn't cooperate with others. He asked me in an email, if maybe the meteorite might be able to be named after him if it was found. Now, I am not sure if such a bribe was actually offered to him, or if his ego was maybe puffed up a bit by being made to think that his contribution to some of us really made him important enough to warrant the rock being named after him? Maybe he came up with that on his own, or maybe the idea was planted with him. My caution to those of you working the phones, it is NOT just those of us in the field that say and do things that affect the stories that go to print. Mike was impacted by what he was getting from emails and phone calls from others enough to comment to me, and to comment to the reporter, who did end up writing about it. Sometimes it is easy for our guard to be let down, that if we are not talking directly to a reporter, that what we are saying will just stay between us and the person we are talking to. We saw today that this is not always the case. We saw in Buzzard Coulee, West and Georgia how people can offer cash rewards to buy rocks from their home, not from the field, and how that can also affect the stories in the papers. I am not being overly critical here, I just wanted people to know that many things influence a story that goes to print, not just what is said in interviews by people on the ground. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323031x1201367232/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fact Sheet - Possible Media Solution?
Hi Steve, Since I work at a newspaper as a photographer and understand your frustration, I think a fact sheet is a great idea. Reporters would really appreciate an FAQ-style, one sheet resource. Here are my suggestions on what to include: * Your name and phone number plus one or two other sources to reach and their numbers * Definition of meteor, meteorite, meteoroid, asteroid * Average speed of meteor/meteorite as it enters our atmosphere and then strikes the ground * Average price of the most common type of meteorite (ordinary chondrites) found in a typical fall plus the range as you mentioned * Common misperceptions about meteorites: they're hot, they come down flaming, they're all worth a million dollars. * Where meteorites come from and why they're important to science * Where to send a suspected meteorite to be tested I hope this helps. Bob On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:06 AM, meteorh...@aol.com wrote: Hello List, I was greeted this morning with a front page story in the Baltimore Sun. While it could have been worse, it made me realize I need to do something to help writers focus on the facts and the real story and not to slide over and just use the more sensational answers or comments given in an interview. Also, some reports do actually attempt to do more research on their own before writing, and sometimes they interview amateurs that are even better at saying not-so-smart things like those of us with experience are also so good at doing. As Darryl mentioned the other day, reporters tend to resist writing from a Press Release and usually will work to manufacture their own story from the ground up based on what they uncover in their interviews. So maybe a solution might be a Fact Sheet I can have preprinted to give to the reporters at each interview. Of course, if I am not asked a certain question by a reporter, there is a greater chance I won't offer that fact in my interview. Or if I do, it can be out of the context of the interview and the reporter might not understand why what I said was important. Time is often a restraint, both in the interview and in the writing to meet a deadline, so it isn't always the reporters fault that they don't get around to asking the questions that would paint a clearer picture. Maybe a Fact Sheet could be in a F.A.Q. fashion? Or just stated as Facts, billet style? So, I would like some help from you guys. I would like some suggestions as to what should be included in a fact sheet, so that when handed to the reporter, they can refer to it during and/or after the interview as they might need. For starters, I can list my name and contact information, that would be good. (Nothing worse than one's name being spelled wrong in the paper.) I can list my correct age (which is 43 not 42 as erroneously stated in today's story). Which does make you pause, if a reporter can't get someone's age correct, is it any wonder that other aspects of the story might get skewed a little (or a lot) one way or another. However, in the case of Robert Haag in the Astronomy story a few years back, they listed him as 40 years old and not 50 years old. A typo I am sure! ;-) (Or as someone hinted, maybe a little slice of Zagami under the table might have helped that typo to not be spotted in time!) How about Why are meteorites are valuable to science? Q, with an appropriate and pithy answer. After all, if it wasn't for the science, we really wouldn't have much in the way of higher demand for many of our meteorites. Of course, there is a collectors market. And while the words treasure and hunter together can give a negative connotation, they can give an adventurous one as well. And we all have to admit, while it is not all just for the money, that does play at least a part in why those of us in the field do what they do. How can the fact that we are also hunting for the source of knowledge, not just cash be stated? I suppose I could go through all the media stories I have seen lately and pull out the errors and try to find out why the reporter might have got the reporting of it wrong. Then find a way to stress, in the Fact Sheet, what is the correct take should be on it. For example, after talking about how most meteorites are common and don't offer all that much valuable new information, others do. I went on that some are far more desirous to researchers than others, and to collectors as well. In that context I mentioned that meteorites can be worth from 5 cents a gram up to over $1,000 dollars a gram. There seemed to be some negative reaction from the York newspaper's story here on the M-List where that range was mentioned. Well, now the Baltimore reporter (who was in the same interview as the York reporter) decided to drop the range I had given and just somehow averaged it all out to: hundreds of dollars per gram instead. Probably shorter and
Re: [meteorite-list] Fact Sheet - Possible Media Solution?
In a message dated 7/10/2009 8:23:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, carloselgua...@hotmail.com writes: Hey Steve, You might want to put this first on your fact sheet: I am not from Chicago. Carl LOL. You know Carl...while I assume you stated that as a joke, that probably is a great idea, to at least put on the Fact Sheet somewhere. It would only take once, for a reporter to make that mix up, and assign a quote to me that came from that other guy, and I would really regret it forever. Thanks Carl. That is definitely going on my fact sheet. Steve **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323031x1201367232/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fact Sheet - Possible Media Solution?
In a message dated 7/10/2009 8:32:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, deannari...@gmail.com writes: Hi Steve, How about a copy of some facts and maybe misconceptions (eg. they are not radioactive) with some nice photos of other fresh falls that might be published as a 'what to be on the lookout for.' Best, Whitney * Whitney, Thanks. Good ideas. In the past we have provided high res photos at our website(s) for public domain use. Providing that online, and then providing a URL to those photos in the Fact Sheet would be very useful. Thanks, Steve **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323031x1201367232/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fact Sheet - Possible Media Sol ution?
Hello All, I wanted to read what the Baltimore Sun had to say this morning. I found this: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/science/bal-md.meteor10jul10,0,6086909.story I thought it was a pretty cool article. Carl _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fact Sheet - Possible Media Solution?
G'Day List A lot of good suggestions, but you might want to look at taking some lessons from the politicians, they are really good at balking at questions =) Cheers John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bob King Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 6:30 AM To: meteorh...@aol.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fact Sheet - Possible Media Solution? Hi Steve, Since I work at a newspaper as a photographer and understand your frustration, I think a fact sheet is a great idea. Reporters would really appreciate an FAQ-style, one sheet resource. Here are my suggestions on what to include: * Your name and phone number plus one or two other sources to reach and their numbers * Definition of meteor, meteorite, meteoroid, asteroid * Average speed of meteor/meteorite as it enters our atmosphere and then strikes the ground * Average price of the most common type of meteorite (ordinary chondrites) found in a typical fall plus the range as you mentioned * Common misperceptions about meteorites: they're hot, they come down flaming, they're all worth a million dollars. * Where meteorites come from and why they're important to science * Where to send a suspected meteorite to be tested I hope this helps. Bob On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:06 AM, meteorh...@aol.com wrote: Hello List, I was greeted this morning with a front page story in the Baltimore Sun. While it could have been worse, it made me realize I need to do something to help writers focus on the facts and the real story and not to slide over and just use the more sensational answers or comments given in an interview. Also, some reports do actually attempt to do more research on their own before writing, and sometimes they interview amateurs that are even better at saying not-so-smart things like those of us with experience are also so good at doing. As Darryl mentioned the other day, reporters tend to resist writing from a Press Release and usually will work to manufacture their own story from the ground up based on what they uncover in their interviews. So maybe a solution might be a Fact Sheet I can have preprinted to give to the reporters at each interview. Of course, if I am not asked a certain question by a reporter, there is a greater chance I won't offer that fact in my interview. Or if I do, it can be out of the context of the interview and the reporter might not understand why what I said was important. Time is often a restraint, both in the interview and in the writing to meet a deadline, so it isn't always the reporters fault that they don't get around to asking the questions that would paint a clearer picture. Maybe a Fact Sheet could be in a F.A.Q. fashion? Or just stated as Facts, billet style? So, I would like some help from you guys. I would like some suggestions as to what should be included in a fact sheet, so that when handed to the reporter, they can refer to it during and/or after the interview as they might need. For starters, I can list my name and contact information, that would be good. (Nothing worse than one's name being spelled wrong in the paper.) I can list my correct age (which is 43 not 42 as erroneously stated in today's story). Which does make you pause, if a reporter can't get someone's age correct, is it any wonder that other aspects of the story might get skewed a little (or a lot) one way or another. However, in the case of Robert Haag in the Astronomy story a few years back, they listed him as 40 years old and not 50 years old. A typo I am sure! ;-) (Or as someone hinted, maybe a little slice of Zagami under the table might have helped that typo to not be spotted in time!) How about Why are meteorites are valuable to science? Q, with an appropriate and pithy answer. After all, if it wasn't for the science, we really wouldn't have much in the way of higher demand for many of our meteorites. Of course, there is a collectors market. And while the words treasure and hunter together can give a negative connotation, they can give an adventurous one as well. And we all have to admit, while it is not all just for the money, that does play at least a part in why those of us in the field do what they do. How can the fact that we are also hunting for the source of knowledge, not just cash be stated? I suppose I could go through all the media stories I have seen lately and pull out the errors and try to find out why the reporter might have got the reporting of it wrong. Then find a way to stress, in the Fact Sheet, what is the correct take should be on it. For example, after talking about how most meteorites are common and don't offer all that much valuable new information, others do. I went on that some are far more desirous
Re: [meteorite-list] Fact Sheet - Possible Media Solution?
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:06:15 EDT, you wrote: I would like some suggestions as to what should be included in a fact sheet, so that when handed to the reporter, they can refer to it during and/or after the interview as they might need. For starters, I can list my name and contact information, that would be good. (Nothing worse than one's name being spelled wrong in the paper.) I was thinking about that yesterday (about building a boilerplate FAQ, not one about you specificly) after that last article. Stay tuned to this bat time, this bat channel. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning to armchair fireball chasers
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:27:31 EDT, you wrote: He asked me in an email, if maybe the meteorite might be able to be named after him if it was found. Now, I am not sure if such a bribe was actually offered to him, or if his ego was maybe puffed up a bit by being made to think that his contribution to some of us really made him important enough to warrant the rock being named after him? Probably simple ignorance of how meteorites are named. You discover a comet, it is named after you. You discover an asteroid or plutazoid, you get to name it (within guidelines). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fact Sheet - Possible Media Solution?
Steve, Your fact sheet is an excellent idea. It brings to mind a couple of publications from ASU called have you seen a meteorite: and another by U of A's David Kring called Meteorites and their properties(1998). Both are very small brochures that give all of the basic facts and even journalists could read it within a few minutes. I have a copy of each if you'd like to see them. I think you are correct in everything you do. After all no matter what you say can be disputed. 5 cents to over $1000. per gram is a good range but certainly misleading. Unless you add a bunch more words and make your point even longer. For example. I doubt that you will ever buy a fall for 5 cents and I believe the record price ever paid for any meteorite was NWA 011. It's initial offering was from $119,000. to $58,000. per gram back in 2003 before pairings were found.. But if you disclose this info you may well get robbed while out in the field. And as for Rubens fossils? We are looking for meteorites with fossils so why not just say it? So, if you find a rock covered with fusion crust and it has fossils I will be happy to take it off your hands. Haha. Although unless it hits someone on the head it will likely be discarded unless we do inform the public of this fact that they may be out there. Like Elton always says don't ignore the Science. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax meteorh...@aol.com wrote: Hello List, I was greeted this morning with a front page story in the Baltimore Sun. While it could have been worse, it made me realize I need to do something to help writers focus on the facts and the real story and not to slide over and just use the more sensational answers or comments given in an interview. Also, some reports do actually attempt to do more research on their own before writing, and sometimes they interview amateurs that are even better at saying not-so-smart things like those of us with experience are also so good at doing. As Darryl mentioned the other day, reporters tend to resist writing from a Press Release and usually will work to manufacture their own story from the ground up based on what they uncover in their interviews. So maybe a solution might be a Fact Sheet I can have preprinted to give to the reporters at each interview. Of course, if I am not asked a certain question by a reporter, there is a greater chance I won't offer that fact in my interview. Or if I do, it can be out of the context of the interview and the reporter might not understand why what I said was important. Time is often a restraint, both in the interview and in the writing to meet a deadline, so it isn't always the reporters fault that they don't get around to asking the questions that would paint a clearer picture. Maybe a Fact Sheet could be in a F.A.Q. fashion? Or just stated as Facts, billet style? So, I would like some help from you guys. I would like some suggestions as to what should be included in a fact sheet, so that when handed to the reporter, they can refer to it during and/or after the interview as they might need. For starters, I can list my name and contact information, that would be good. (Nothing worse than one's name being spelled wrong in the paper.) I can list my correct age (which is 43 not 42 as erroneously stated in today's story). Which does make you pause, if a reporter can't get someone's age correct, is it any wonder that other aspects of the story might get skewed a little (or a lot) one way or another. However, in the case of Robert Haag in the Astronomy story a few years back, they listed him as 40 years old and not 50 years old. A typo I am sure! ;-) (Or as someone hinted, maybe a little slice of Zagami under the table might have helped that typo to not be spotted in time!) How about Why are meteorites are valuable to science? Q, with an appropriate and pithy answer. After all, if it wasn't for the science, we really wouldn't have much in the way of higher demand for many of our meteorites. Of course, there is a collectors market. And while the words treasure and hunter together can give a negative connotation, they can give an adventurous one as well. And we all have to admit, while it is not all just for the money, that does play at least a part in why those of us in the field do what they do. How can the fact that we are also hunting for the source of knowledge, not just cash be stated? I suppose I could go through all the media stories I have seen lately and pull out the errors and try to find out why the reporter might have got the reporting of it wrong. Then find a way to stress, in the Fact Sheet, what is the correct take should be on it. For example, after talking about how most meteorites are common and don't offer all that much valuable new
[meteorite-list] PA fall media hype
This is out of control, endless media hype by those seeking nothing but fame, and nothing about what the public should be looking for. After days of walking, I am sitting here in Tucson, playing with two week old meteorites, and resting my blister-covered feet and catching up on the last few days of emails. I am sickened by these stories, the backstabbing already in full swing out east. We don't want and by holding our cards to our chest, we don't have that problem out here. I hope everyone can see that now. Offers in papers about paying more, and don't sell to greedy dealers on the ground, just call me etc. Now you know why we don't want any help with our fall. We are working together, and finding stones. I speak for myself here, so any crap needs come to me, as my teammates and friends are in the field right now, but work must be done since I am at home and I am taking today to recuperate. This endless media blitz over Meteorite-Men is getting old. Every email, every eBay auction, every mention of some people to throw that quip in. How long must we endure this hype? Come on, just get out there and work, your fame is worth about $1.00 in the field. Walking, blisters, sunburns, that will find meteorites, not talking about your show. In NONE of those articles is there a peep that locals in that area need to get out and walk the streets, look for black burned stones, check the lawn, parking lots, parks. Why not? Tell people what to do, not the prices per gram, it has to be found to be sold. If this PA stone is found, it won't be with the pictures but by a person mowing their lawn, or driving down the road. Focus on the hunt, use the locals and this can be found, keep hyping yourselves and it is just publicity, and the meteorite will be lost. Sad. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PA fall media hype
Hi Mike and List, I agree on a couple of points here and disagree on a couple. First, I don't think the Meteorite Men hype is bad for meteorites - it raises awareness that meteorites exist. It never ceases to amaze me how many seemingly-educated people have no clue what a meteorite is. I mean, really, how can people not have the faintest idea what a meteorite is? Then, when you explain the shooting star principle, it dawns on them and you can see the recognition in their eyes - they have no idea what the word *meteorite* means. It's staggering. I'm talking grown adults with college educations and standing in the community - with an utter lack of basic science. The Meteorite Men show raises awareness and gets people of all ages curious about meteorites - it might be responsible for a few of your recent eBay sales. (perhaps) I've had people email me and ask me about the show and I have nothing to do with it - they just assume that as a collector and small-time dealer that I know about the show. That's not a bad thing. Mike, do you honestly mean that if a television network offered you a show about meteorites, that you would view that as a bad thing? I've seen some veiled and not-so-veiled sour grapes directed at Geoff and Steve for that show, and I think a part of it is professional envy and rivalry. Whatever differences some people might think they have with the Meteorite Men, I can honestly say that I have never heard a bad word about Geoff or Steve from anyone in the collector community. The only bad things I have heard on occasion come from other dealers or hunters who are competing with them for finds, sales and attention. As an aspiring armchair hunter with dreams of one day doing what Mike and the other hunters do, I understand there is good press and bad press. I think all can agree that sensational stories about million dollar meteorites and hoards of pushy hunters trampling over private property is not good for the field of meteoritics or the hobby of collecting meteorites. I think it's a very good idea to make some kind of FAQ sheet for the public and the press - to dispel common myths and educate the public on what a freshly fallen meteorite looks like (and a weathered one for that matter). Meteorites are becoming trendy - there are more and more documentaries on the various cable networks that deal with meteorites, asteroids, impacts, and related subjects. Seeing stories in the media about meteorites is going to become a more common occurrence - and the whole 2012 and Apophis events are going to fuel that further. I think as collectors, dealers, hunters, and scientists, we need to be proactive and make sure we get correct information out there. If the sensationalists are going to be prolific, then we need to be more prolific. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 7/10/09, Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com wrote: This is out of control, endless media hype by those seeking nothing but fame, and nothing about what the public should be looking for. After days of walking, I am sitting here in Tucson, playing with two week old meteorites, and resting my blister-covered feet and catching up on the last few days of emails. I am sickened by these stories, the backstabbing already in full swing out east. We don't want and by holding our cards to our chest, we don't have that problem out here. I hope everyone can see that now. Offers in papers about paying more, and don't sell to greedy dealers on the ground, just call me etc. Now you know why we don't want any help with our fall. We are working together, and finding stones. I speak for myself here, so any crap needs come to me, as my teammates and friends are in the field right now, but work must be done since I am at home and I am taking today to recuperate. This endless media blitz over Meteorite-Men is getting old. Every email, every eBay auction, every mention of some people to throw that quip in. How long must we endure this hype? Come on, just get out there and work, your fame is worth about $1.00 in the field. Walking, blisters, sunburns, that will find meteorites, not talking about your show. In NONE of those articles is there a peep that locals in that area need to get out and walk the streets, look for black burned stones, check the lawn, parking lots, parks. Why not? Tell people what to do, not the prices per gram, it has to be found to be sold. If this PA stone is found, it won't be with the pictures but by a person mowing their lawn, or driving down the road. Focus on the hunt, use the locals and this can be found, keep hyping yourselves and it is just publicity, and the meteorite will be lost. Sad. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --
Re: [meteorite-list] PA fall media hype
Okay, now let me see if I've got this straight... You're sitting there rubbing your hands in glee and cackling over your own private pile of freshly-fallen stones, saying that the key to recovering as many meteorites as possible is to get the public involved... I can't agree more! How 'bout some coordinates? Might not suck to have a small army out there before the rains come. ;-) Meanwhile I'll start holding my breath, because blue is my favorite color. Asplosion in 3...2...1 Cheers, MDF On 7/10/09 12:43 PM, Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com wrote: This is out of control, endless media hype by those seeking nothing but fame, and nothing about what the public should be looking for. After days of walking, I am sitting here in Tucson, playing with two week old meteorites, and resting my blister-covered feet and catching up on the last few days of emails. I am sickened by these stories, the backstabbing already in full swing out east. We don't want and by holding our cards to our chest, we don't have that problem out here. I hope everyone can see that now. Offers in papers about paying more, and don't sell to greedy dealers on the ground, just call me etc. Now you know why we don't want any help with our fall. We are working together, and finding stones. I speak for myself here, so any crap needs come to me, as my teammates and friends are in the field right now, but work must be done since I am at home and I am taking today to recuperate. This endless media blitz over Meteorite-Men is getting old. Every email, every eBay auction, every mention of some people to throw that quip in. How long must we endure this hype? Come on, just get out there and work, your fame is worth about $1.00 in the field. Walking, blisters, sunburns, that will find meteorites, not talking about your show. In NONE of those articles is there a peep that locals in that area need to get out and walk the streets, look for black burned stones, check the lawn, parking lots, parks. Why not? Tell people what to do, not the prices per gram, it has to be found to be sold. If this PA stone is found, it won't be with the pictures but by a person mowing their lawn, or driving down the road. Focus on the hunt, use the locals and this can be found, keep hyping yourselves and it is just publicity, and the meteorite will be lost. Sad. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PA fall media hype
Dear Mike: So, when other people are featured in the media while searching for meteorites you start tub thumping about it, but it's fine for Mike Farmer to use the media when it is convenient for him? During the West, Texas hunt you and your team were in the papers repeatedly, front page even. I didn't hear any complaints then. The Waco Tribune did a big piece in which you talked about how you bought a West (Ash Creek) stone during a secret meeting in a local gas station for more than $10.000 in cash. Most of that article focused precisely on how much the West meteorites were worth: http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/news/stories/2009/03/17/03172009wacmeteor.html I am sure I don't have to remind you that the newspaper story caused plenty of local problems. Some landowners right away figured they might have a $10,000 meteorite on their property too, and land was closed off to hunters. You were also the subject of magazine features in Fortune and Southwest Airlines magazines, and many other prominent publications -- very good articles and photos, by the way, and I have complimented you on them in person. So, if media pieces are about you it is fine, but you are sickened when others get some coverage? Please explain. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PA fall media hype
Geoff, Steve, meteorite Men You are both class acts. There is nothing you can do about a psycho like Mike. In response to people like him it reminds me of what My mother has always said, she just shrugged her shoulders and says GOD LOVE HIM. Just pray that they get help for him soon. In the mean time keep up the good work and TV show. I think someone has aleady said that Mike is the single biggest problem with this hobby today. Very sad. Carl. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Notkin geok...@notkin.net wrote: Dear Mike: So, when other people are featured in the media while searching for meteorites you start tub thumping about it, but it's fine for Mike Farmer to use the media when it is convenient for him? During the West, Texas hunt you and your team were in the papers repeatedly, front page even. I didn't hear any complaints then. The Waco Tribune did a big piece in which you talked about how you bought a West (Ash Creek) stone during a secret meeting in a local gas station for more than $10.000 in cash. Most of that article focused precisely on how much the West meteorites were worth: http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/news/stories/2009/03/17/03172009wacmeteor.html I am sure I don't have to remind you that the newspaper story caused plenty of local problems. Some landowners right away figured they might have a $10,000 meteorite on their property too, and land was closed off to hunters. You were also the subject of magazine features in Fortune and Southwest Airlines magazines, and many other prominent publications -- very good articles and photos, by the way, and I have complimented you on them in person. So, if media pieces are about you it is fine, but you are sickened when others get some coverage? Please explain. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PA fall media hype [Fr. Ruben Garcia]
Dear Listees: Our friend Ruben Garcia asked if I would send this on his behalf as he's having trouble posting: Regards, Geoff N. ** Hi all, I'm gonna try to respond with a different account and hope it goes through. Mike, there is some truth to what you say.. However, there are a few points that I disagree with. 1. First of all: Who among us hasn't used the media for their own benefit? We all do it. Sometimes it works out good sometimes not so good. 2. You mention that your feet are sore from hunting for days. Most of us that call ourselves meteorite hunters have done the same, many times - Including Steve. He is a great meteorite hunter so it's NOT just hype. 3. As far as I know there are only two teams actively working this fall. Mine and His and I don't know of any backstabbing - but I may be a little slow. Please inform me. 4. Yes, to some on this forum meteorite men is getting old - but to the masses it is NEW and Exciting! So who can blame him for using it? 5. You, of all people should know just because it's not in the paper doesn't mean we are not working on it. My Team consists of 9 people - some are meteorite hunters - some are locals, some are scientists and there are 5 team members in PA right now looking for video, witnesses, etc 6. You say In NONE of those articles is there a peep that locals in that area need to get out and walk the streets, look for black burned stones, check the lawn, parking lots, parks. I personally told the reporter just that! Unfortunately, i can't make them print it. Also remember the title of one of Steve's articles is Meteorite hunter says: Check security camera tapes So obviously Steve is saying the same 7. We are hard at work! We may find meteorites we may not but If not I don't think it's because Steve has cameras pointed at him. 8. I've admitted to both and Steve that I am a bit jealous about their show. Maybe it's because I was signed to a production company a few months later. But since they beat me to it I WAS Dropped! (and for other reasons) But had I not been dropped I can assure you that I would be more interested in what the millions of viewers thought of me (and my show) more than a few meteorite people. 9. You guys are doing a great job congratulations - JACK IS THE MAN! I hope you guys find many more. We all applaud you. Continue the good work! My 2 cents, Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona My Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net My Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ My Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: July 6-10, 2009
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES July 6-10, 2009 o Nirgal Vallis (Released 06 July 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090706a o Holden Crater (Released 07 July 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090707a o Polar Layers (Released 08 July 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090708a o Dust Devil Tracks (Released 09 July 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090709a o Rabe Crater (Released 10 July 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090710a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PA fall media hype
Hi Carl, I agree both Geoff and Steve are class acts all the way! Btw, my mom used to say the same thing your mom did. That's funny!! You don't suppose...Nah, our last names are different. One other thing, we should ease up on M.F. a bit. There's a lot of other people besides list members reading this. Carl, just my 2 cents. _ Windows Live™ Photos: it's easy to store and manage your photos online. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/Photos?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_PH_store_manage_072009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] PA Meteorite Search- personal update
Hello Meteorite List Members, Just dropping a line to give you all a update on my investigation, Today I visited Delta PA Fawn Grove PA New Park PA Stewartstown PA Right now I'm in Freeland MD I have been out and about asking around for clues to the whereabouts of the famous PA fireball. I would have to say that about 20% of the informants that I asked heard it or knows somebody who did, Have yet to meet an eye witness, and from the data I gathered, The informants are telling me that they believe its in the New Park area or at least that is the direction the explosive sound was coming from. My suspicions lead me to believe that it's possibly in the Susquehanna Trails Area, However there is no hard evidence that leads me to this conclusion. Only the trajectory which i devised from reading the news reports and talking to people on the ground. The terrain in this area is extremely rugged, hilly, and overly abundant in growing cornstalks, which would make a organized search next to impossible, even if the search area is narrowed down to a mile or two. And you guys could forget about using CCTV's from car dealerships or the like because there is nothing around for miles and miles. I believe that without definitive pictures showing the exact trajectory of the fall from several locations, finding this meteorite will be harder than finding the proverbial needle in a haystack. We are talking really rough very sparsely populated country! Anyway I'm here and will continue the search tomorrow, If anybody wants to meet up, I truly believe that we can accomplish more as a meteorite recovery team. give me a call at 973-687-9888 Good Luck to all you Meteorite Hunters! Have a Great Day! John Higgins IMCA#9822 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] My Ebay suspension
No they say that since they were ended because of listing violations that the fees are forfeited --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com wrote: From: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My Ebay suspension To: dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com, meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, cdtuc...@cox.net Cc: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 9:48 PM Hi Dean and sorry to see you go through this sad case of communication malfunction and lack of professional etiquette of EBay. Your right you should of been contacted first or at the least as you said to just them removing only the pearl auctions. Let me ask you a questiondid you hold EBay to paying all your listing fees or have them allow you to list for free now that you have their explanation? Thank you. Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA # 0960 - Original Message - From: dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; cdtuc...@cox.net Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My Ebay suspension Many thanks Carl for the poswerseller phone number. This has caused me $100 in phone bills today but at least the powerseller people reinstated my ebay account. The downside is that I now have no auctions at all listed and because ebay ended everything I have all the details lost so have to manually list everything again - 1700 auctions. Likely most wont get relisted as I plan to put more stuff on websites and diversify from ebay. I also found out why they suspended my account. Apparantly ebay has started a new rule where tahiti pearls are no longer permitted to be listed on ebay. So, rather than just end the pearl auctions (Or better yet - inform me of the new rule) they just said that I violated their rules to often (I assume more than 4 times since I had 300 tahiti pearl auctions so I violated their listing rules 300 times) and suspended my account. So anyway, thats why I was suspended and ebay has now kissed and made up so I can list everything except pearls again now. Cheers DEAN www.meteoriteshop.com --- On Thu, 7/9/09, cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: From: cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My Ebay suspension To: dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com, meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 7:13 PM Dean, Hello, I have heard of you many times and you have a great reputation so obviously it is not about you. I think it is likely issues with your links as well. I assume you are a power seller. We power sellers can call and if you call back you may get somebody smarter to speak with. The number that I use is a toll free 866-519-3229. and I am always able to get answers ( but may take more than one call) . It also may be a pearl seller competitor messing with you. As you know eBay these days is basically a glorified yard sale. Most dealers make much more from their own web sites. Good luck to you. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com wrote: As if you didnt need another reason to try and diversify your business away from ebay here is what happened to me this morning. I am not making any part of this up or in any way dramatizing what happened. Neither Stephen King nor the guys on CSI could make this up. I wake up to numerous emails from ebay this morning from ebay cancelling my auctions and two emails saying that my account was suspended. Many auctions were canceled because they were Significantly misrepresented. After 3 hours of chatting with people I finally get through to the trust and safety people after a recommendation from ebay australia. I was told that somebody (who??? - she had no way of knowing who) decided that my auctions were misrepresented. She couldent tell me what was misrepresented just that they look at the description, picture and content when deciding was what misrepresented but she had no way of knowing exactly what. So I try and reason with her. If you cant tell me what it is about my auctions that was misrepresented how can I not repeat the problem in the future? Sit down before you read her response. She said that if ebay told everybody what they look for when they decide that auctions are misrepresented then people would do things to get around their security checks in future auctions so it would be a security violation to tell me what it was about my auctions that was being misrepresented and therfore canceled (And leading to my suspension.) She then said that my suspension was for 7 days so even if she did tell me it wouldent make any difference because you cant list on ebay for 7 days again anyway. Reasoning is getting harder. OK,
Re: [meteorite-list] My Ebay suspension
I have had 5 people email me privately with a message saying something to the effect of Whats up with pearls - and could meteorites be next, so I will email the group rather than individually? Answer is be afraid - be very afriad. Apparantly the laws concerning the export and import of pearls are complicated so ebay has decided to no longer allow them (But there are still some listed on ebay and the Trust and saftety department told me it would be a security violation to give me this information - because people might use the info to circumvent those rules) so who the hell knows what ebay is up to. Even their own employees are kept in the dark (Presumably for security reasons) I was told that it is illegal to export pearls from French Polynesia directlty into the USA (Whats up, has obama got a new dislike for the french? - if I promise to never ever again use the term French Fry can I then list tahiti pearls again?) and that I should look into the laws regarding pearls in my own country before I sell anymore. So, I am told that conflicting and complicated laws are responsible for pearls getting prohibited from ebay. Hm. Complicacated and conflicting laws? That wouldent also apply to Meteorites, artifacts, coins, collectibles - not to mention leather pants (Countries where cows are sacred) or a free press in general in some countries would it. Ebay was started to sell laser pointers if I remember correctly. Maybe eventually thats all that will be allowed again. Me thinks that people should start diversifying from ebay as quickly and as much as possible. Paypal to (Nobody has ever had problems with paypal of course). I now have 1700 auctions that disapeared and ebay tells me sorry, shit happens, now just be a good little boy and relist them all again so we can collect more ebay fees - and if we decide to end them all without telling you why and keeping all those fees again, well, shit happens. Spending a lot of time looking for non ebay ways to sell right now Cheers DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Laws/Ebay
I am reposting this a second time with a new subject line because I am sure that some people are interested but never read the last posting due to not being interested in my personal ebay problems enough to bother opening the dozen't email on the topic --- I have had 5 people email me privately with a message saying something to the effect of Whats up with pearls - and could meteorites be next, so I will email the group rather than individually? Answer is be afraid - be very afriad. Apparantly the laws concerning the export and import of pearls are complicated so ebay has decided to no longer allow them (But there are still some listed on ebay and the Trust and saftety department told me it would be a security violation to give me this information - because people might use the info to circumvent those rules) so who the hell knows what ebay is up to. Even their own employees are kept in the dark (Presumably for security reasons) I was told that it is illegal to export pearls from French Polynesia directlty into the USA (Whats up, has obama got a new dislike for the french? - if I promise to never ever again use the term French Fry can I then list tahiti pearls again?) and that I should look into the laws regarding pearls in my own country before I sell anymore. So, I am told that conflicting and complicated laws are responsible for pearls getting prohibited from ebay. Hm. Complicacated and conflicting laws? That wouldent also apply to Meteorites, artifacts, coins, collectibles - not to mention leather pants (Countries where cows are sacred) or a free press in general in some countries would it. Ebay was started to sell laser pointers if I remember correctly. Maybe eventually thats all that will be allowed again. Me thinks that people should start diversifying from ebay as quickly and as much as possible. Paypal to (Nobody has ever had problems with paypal of course). I now have 1700 auctions that disapeared and ebay tells me sorry, shit happens, now just be a good little boy and relist them all again so we can collect more ebay fees - and if we decide to end them all without telling you why and keeping all those fees again, well, shit happens. Spending a lot of time looking for non ebay ways to sell right now Cheers DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PA fall media hype
Yes, and again, this is where you are failing to understand the point I am making. When I was in the news in West, it was to get people in the immense strewn field to hunt, you were there, you know most locals were not cooperative or did not care. We wanted to prod them, to get them to collect stones before plowing destroyed them all. You know that every day we were out there tractors were plowing stones under. Either say nothing and watch it happen, or try and get the knowledge out there that they needed to be saved. The article you posted, you should check the date of 17 March, one month after the fall, that was my third and last trip to West, and there were virtually no more hunters left. I was trying to get the larger stones saved, as that was when we finally got the strewn field stretched out to 14 miles, and with no hunters in the field, there was one hope to recover more stones, only the farmers themselves. The news wanted a story about the large stone, and a price, I had to tell them more than $10,000 which is true. My story caused NO PROBLEMS, because there were NO hunters left after one month. Steve Arnold left town either the day before or the day that came out. His emails to the list would prove that. So Geoff, name one person harmed by my 17 March article which you quite below, and no stones were recovered after that except on John and Gary's land where everyone had been hunting. One month after the fall, what harm is left to do. The only goal was to get farmers to find stones as almost all meteorite hunters were gone. This is not the case in PA, no stones have been found, and while I know the press changes things and moves the story where they want to, there still seems to be almost no attempts to tell people what to look for. This is my point. My other magazines etc were not in an attempt to locate a new fall, just stories about meteorites and meteorite huting, generic, great publicity. There was no fresh fall languishing in the dirt being ignored while I basked in my glory. The Meteorite Men show is great, good job, but there is a point to let it go when a new fall should be the focus in these rare newspaper and tv interviews. Michael Farmer --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Notkin geok...@notkin.net wrote: From: Notkin geok...@notkin.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] PA fall media hype To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 3:00 PM Dear Mike: So, when other people are featured in the media while searching for meteorites you start tub thumping about it, but it's fine for Mike Farmer to use the media when it is convenient for him? During the West, Texas hunt you and your team were in the papers repeatedly, front page even. I didn't hear any complaints then. The Waco Tribune did a big piece in which you talked about how you bought a West (Ash Creek) stone during a secret meeting in a local gas station for more than $10.000 in cash. Most of that article focused precisely on how much the West meteorites were worth: http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/news/stories/2009/03/17/03172009wacmeteor.html I am sure I don't have to remind you that the newspaper story caused plenty of local problems. Some landowners right away figured they might have a $10,000 meteorite on their property too, and land was closed off to hunters. You were also the subject of magazine features in Fortune and Southwest Airlines magazines, and many other prominent publications -- very good articles and photos, by the way, and I have complimented you on them in person. So, if media pieces are about you it is fine, but you are sickened when others get some coverage? Please explain. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PA fall media hype
Carl, your response is so rude to hardly deserve a reply, but hey, it is not often I am called a Psycho. Pretty funny really. You should really get a paper towl and clean that brown stuff off your nose. Carl, there is a reason that the institutions want nothing to do with you, and you know why. You should tell the list about what makes all of your new Arizona meteorites so similar. Any new Eucrites you found on your meteorite farm lately? Michael Farmer --- On Fri, 7/10/09, cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: From: cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] PA fall media hype To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Notkin geok...@notkin.net Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 3:26 PM Geoff, Steve, meteorite Men You are both class acts. There is nothing you can do about a psycho like Mike. In response to people like him it reminds me of what My mother has always said, she just shrugged her shoulders and says GOD LOVE HIM. Just pray that they get help for him soon. In the mean time keep up the good work and TV show. I think someone has aleady said that Mike is the single biggest problem with this hobby today. Very sad. Carl. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Notkin geok...@notkin.net wrote: Dear Mike: So, when other people are featured in the media while searching for meteorites you start tub thumping about it, but it's fine for Mike Farmer to use the media when it is convenient for him? During the West, Texas hunt you and your team were in the papers repeatedly, front page even. I didn't hear any complaints then. The Waco Tribune did a big piece in which you talked about how you bought a West (Ash Creek) stone during a secret meeting in a local gas station for more than $10.000 in cash. Most of that article focused precisely on how much the West meteorites were worth: http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/news/stories/2009/03/17/03172009wacmeteor.html I am sure I don't have to remind you that the newspaper story caused plenty of local problems. Some landowners right away figured they might have a $10,000 meteorite on their property too, and land was closed off to hunters. You were also the subject of magazine features in Fortune and Southwest Airlines magazines, and many other prominent publications -- very good articles and photos, by the way, and I have complimented you on them in person. So, if media pieces are about you it is fine, but you are sickened when others get some coverage? Please explain. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Laws/Ebay
As a well known bottom feeder how about if we take your scare tactics with a grain of salt. Also, I would guess the laws that you violated had nothing to do with the US but the country of origin. Nice try with the cheap shot on Obama though. For your edification.ebay was started by selling pez dispensers. Howard Steffic Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:09:53 -0700 From: deanbes...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Laws/Ebay I am reposting this a second time with a new subject line because I am sure that some people are interested but never read the last posting due to not being interested in my personal ebay problems enough to bother opening the dozen't email on the topic --- I have had 5 people email me privately with a message saying something to the effect of Whats up with pearls - and could meteorites be next, so I will email the group rather than individually? Answer is be afraid - be very afriad. Apparantly the laws concerning the export and import of pearls are complicated so ebay has decided to no longer allow them (But there are still some listed on ebay and the Trust and saftety department told me it would be a security violation to give me this information - because people might use the info to circumvent those rules) so who the hell knows what ebay is up to. Even their own employees are kept in the dark (Presumably for security reasons) I was told that it is illegal to export pearls from French Polynesia directlty into the USA (Whats up, has obama got a new dislike for the french? - if I promise to never ever again use the term French Fry can I then list tahiti pearls again?) and that I should look into the laws regarding pearls in my own country before I sell anymore. So, I am told that conflicting and complicated laws are responsible for pearls getting prohibited from ebay. Hm. Complicacated and conflicting laws? That wouldent also apply to Meteorites, artifacts, coins, collectibles - not to mention leather pants (Countries where cows are sacred) or a free press in general in some countries would it. Ebay was started to sell laser pointers if I remember correctly. Maybe eventually thats all that will be allowed again. Me thinks that people should start diversifying from ebay as quickly and as much as possible. Paypal to (Nobody has ever had problems with paypal of course). I now have 1700 auctions that disapeared and ebay tells me sorry, shit happens, now just be a good little boy and relist them all again so we can collect more ebay fees - and if we decide to end them all without telling you why and keeping all those fees again, well, shit happens. Spending a lot of time looking for non ebay ways to sell right now Cheers DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Spread the word when you add celeb photos to your e-mails. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_celebrity_photos1_072009cat=celebrity __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Laws/Ebay
Hi Howard you wrote; For your edification.ebay was started by selling pez dispensers. Actually that is a story that was made up by a PR person to generate interest in the site. Here is an article about it from 2002; http://www.davidrowan.com/2002/07/times-ebays-creation-myth-exposed.html He actually sold computer parts. Mike Mike Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 USA 720-949-6220 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Howard Stefficbencub...@hotmail.com wrote: As a well known bottom feeder how about if we take your scare tactics with a grain of salt. Also, I would guess the laws that you violated had nothing to do with the US but the country of origin. Nice try with the cheap shot on Obama though. For your edification.ebay was started by selling pez dispensers. Howard Steffic Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:09:53 -0700 From: deanbes...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Laws/Ebay I am reposting this a second time with a new subject line because I am sure that some people are interested but never read the last posting due to not being interested in my personal ebay problems enough to bother opening the dozen't email on the topic --- I have had 5 people email me privately with a message saying something to the effect of Whats up with pearls - and could meteorites be next, so I will email the group rather than individually? Answer is be afraid - be very afriad. Apparantly the laws concerning the export and import of pearls are complicated so ebay has decided to no longer allow them (But there are still some listed on ebay and the Trust and saftety department told me it would be a security violation to give me this information - because people might use the info to circumvent those rules) so who the hell knows what ebay is up to. Even their own employees are kept in the dark (Presumably for security reasons) I was told that it is illegal to export pearls from French Polynesia directlty into the USA (Whats up, has obama got a new dislike for the french? - if I promise to never ever again use the term French Fry can I then list tahiti pearls again?) and that I should look into the laws regarding pearls in my own country before I sell anymore. So, I am told that conflicting and complicated laws are responsible for pearls getting prohibited from ebay. Hm. Complicacated and conflicting laws? That wouldent also apply to Meteorites, artifacts, coins, collectibles - not to mention leather pants (Countries where cows are sacred) or a free press in general in some countries would it. Ebay was started to sell laser pointers if I remember correctly. Maybe eventually thats all that will be allowed again. Me thinks that people should start diversifying from ebay as quickly and as much as possible. Paypal to (Nobody has ever had problems with paypal of course). I now have 1700 auctions that disapeared and ebay tells me sorry, shit happens, now just be a good little boy and relist them all again so we can collect more ebay fees - and if we decide to end them all without telling you why and keeping all those fees again, well, shit happens. Spending a lot of time looking for non ebay ways to sell right now Cheers DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Spread the word when you add celeb photos to your e-mails. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_celebrity_photos1_072009cat=celebrity __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: 100 kg Brenham ending make an offer
Hello List, My 100 kg Brenham pallasite meteorite is going off on eBay tomorrow and the Make Offer feature is available up until the ending of the auction. If you are interested in this specimen, which is a world class piece if not for beauty and rarity then for it's large size, please make an offer. I will also entertain offers of trade (or cash/trade) and I am willing to be very generous in my trade deals. http://cgi.ebay.com/100-kilo-Brenham-Pallasite-meteorite-full-of-gemstones_W0QQitemZ260441133712QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca3805290_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1205%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 Take Care, Jason Phillips Rocks from Heaven www.rocksfromheaven.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PA fall media hype
Hello Michael and all, I am sorry for being so delayed in responding to your post. I have been busy today interviewing with the Fox TV station in York, and the NBC station in Lancaster and some other network (maybe ABC) in Baltimore. Then I had a radio interview with NPR after that. It has been a busy day doing all this media stuff. Back in the day, when your mentor Casper was still haunting the Meteorite List, he tried to get people into online fights all the time. But back then every time I was tempted to reply to him, I was reminded of an old saying: Don't get in a mud wrestling match with a pig, as you both will get muddy, and the pig will just enjoy it. I know you like nothing better than to get into arguments. And trust me, I am not entering this dialog with you just so you can get your jollies. I figure it is about time to make a response. I have remained quiet for over a year as you just seem to go on and on and on and on and on and on and on ad infinitum. In a way, it is funny. In a way it really is sad. Let me pick a few things to address, from your post: This is out of control... Out of control? What makes you think it isn't in control? You are sickened by these stories... You? Sickened? By stories? LOL I thought you were born with your condition. You don't hold your cards to your chest? Umm...ok? Offers in papers to pay more and not to sell to greedy dealers on the ground??? Not sure what you mean by that...but ok. The endless media hype is getting old to you? Get used to it, it is about to get kicked up about 7 fold! Literally, 7 fold. I would say I am sorry, but I'm not. It is called marketing, and it will continue. Every email? Are you referring to my signature of Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men at the end of my Meteorite List emails? If so, let me clue you in. If you haven't noticed, there is another person in our community and on this list, who has the same name as I do. I used to sign my name Steve Arnold #1 then at times I would use Steve Arnold from Arkansas. Neither of those I was ever really comfortable in using, but I felt it was very necessary to distinguish me from the Steve Arnold in Chicago. Both, people on the List, and those off the List that stumble onto posts such as this one, maybe via Google, might get confused at times. Now that I am more known because of the Meteorite Men show I have figured that I would rather start using the name from which I am now more known. It is not a matter of promoting the show but more to identify me. I would say I am sorry that you are offended, but I'm not. Every Ebay auction? Are you referring to my ebay auctions where I mention who I am and how I am known to the general public? In this day of questionable sellers on ebay, I list something that distinguishes me. By the way, is this criticism coming from the same man that for at least 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 years ceaselessly mentioned in each and every one of his Ebay auctions: See me in the 1999 Smithsonian Magazine??? ROTFLMAO My prime time show first aired ONLY 60 days ago, and will air 4 more times in this next week. And you are already tired of my Ebay listings mention it? LOL Besides, what on Earth is wrong with saying Yes, I am that guy on the TV show!??? If you don't like it Mike, don't read EVERY one of my Ebay listings. No one makes you read each and every one I put up. Chill out dude, really it is ok. How long must you endure this hype? Well, again, my suggestion is to get used to the marketing, it will continue. I would say I am sorry, but you guessed it, I'm not. Just get out there an work you say? Umm, as if I am not working now? Or are you saying that listing things on Ebay is not working? LOL This is too funny. My fame is not even worth $1.00? And may I ask what you base that calculation on? I would say my fame is worth at least $2.00, maybe even a quarter more. How much is your 1999 Smithsonian Magazine fame worth anyway? Walking, blisters, sunburns, that will find meteorites... Oh, you mean like the 28 days in a row I spent in West walking, getting blisters (albeit no sunburns) and kicking butt finding rather than buying meteorites? OK, I will try to remember what impresses people like you. Oh wait, your weren't impressed with what I did in West...now I am confused... In NONE of those articles is there a peep that locals in that area need to get out and walk the streets, look for black burned stones, check the lawn, parking lots, parks. Why not?Um, well, many of those stories that ran were in the Baltimore, Maryland market and not in the Pennsylvania market where the meteorites actually are. To tell people in Baltimore, over an hour away from the strewnfield, to look for rocks would be a bit misleading wouldn't it? Besides, when I did the first series of interviews,
Re: [meteorite-list] PA fall media hype
GREAT post Steve. I agree 100%. I have not read the 1999 Smithsonian mag, but I have seen Meteorite Men. I learned a lot from it and it got me wanting to hunt even more than I already do, that can't be a bad thing. I'm sure im not the only one. I am sure you show will help some new finds to undoubtedly be found by people who saw your show. Keep up the good work and I wish you, Geoff and everyone else hunting over there the best of luck on the July 6th fall hunt. Can't wait to see the pics of the new finds I am sure that will be found soon. Best of Luck, Joe Kerchner - Original Message From: meteorh...@aol.com meteorh...@aol.com To: meteorite...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:31:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] PA fall media hype Hello Michael and all, I am sorry for being so delayed in responding to your post. I have been busy today interviewing with the Fox TV station in York, and the NBC station in Lancaster and some other network (maybe ABC) in Baltimore. Then I had a radio interview with NPR after that. It has been a busy day doing all this media stuff. Back in the day, when your mentor Casper was still haunting the Meteorite List, he tried to get people into online fights all the time. But back then every time I was tempted to reply to him, I was reminded of an old saying: Don't get in a mud wrestling match with a pig, as you both will get muddy, and the pig will just enjoy it. I know you like nothing better than to get into arguments. And trust me, I am not entering this dialog with you just so you can get your jollies. I figure it is about time to make a response. I have remained quiet for over a year as you just seem to go on and on and on and on and on and on and on ad infinitum. In a way, it is funny. In a way it really is sad. Let me pick a few things to address, from your post: This is out of control... Out of control? What makes you think it isn't in control? You are sickened by these stories... You? Sickened? By stories? LOL I thought you were born with your condition. You don't hold your cards to your chest? Umm...ok? Offers in papers to pay more and not to sell to greedy dealers on the ground??? Not sure what you mean by that...but ok. The endless media hype is getting old to you? Get used to it, it is about to get kicked up about 7 fold! Literally, 7 fold. I would say I am sorry, but I'm not. It is called marketing, and it will continue. Every email? Are you referring to my signature of Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men at the end of my Meteorite List emails? If so, let me clue you in. If you haven't noticed, there is another person in our community and on this list, who has the same name as I do. I used to sign my name Steve Arnold #1 then at times I would use Steve Arnold from Arkansas. Neither of those I was ever really comfortable in using, but I felt it was very necessary to distinguish me from the Steve Arnold in Chicago. Both, people on the List, and those off the List that stumble onto posts such as this one, maybe via Google, might get confused at times. Now that I am more known because of the Meteorite Men show I have figured that I would rather start using the name from which I am now more known. It is not a matter of promoting the show but more to identify me. I would say I am sorry that you are offended, but I'm not. Every Ebay auction? Are you referring to my ebay auctions where I mention who I am and how I am known to the general public? In this day of questionable sellers on ebay, I list something that distinguishes me. By the way, is this criticism coming from the same man that for at least 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 years ceaselessly mentioned in each and every one of his Ebay auctions: See me in the 1999 Smithsonian Magazine??? ROTFLMAO My prime time show first aired ONLY 60 days ago, and will air 4 more times in this next week. And you are already tired of my Ebay listings mention it? LOL Besides, what on Earth is wrong with saying Yes, I am that guy on the TV show!??? If you don't like it Mike, don't read EVERY one of my Ebay listings. No one makes you read each and every one I put up. Chill out dude, really it is ok. How long must you endure this hype? Well, again, my suggestion is to get used to the marketing, it will continue. I would say I am sorry, but you guessed it, I'm not. Just get out there an work you say? Umm, as if I am not working now? Or are you saying that listing things on Ebay is not working? LOL This is too funny. My fame is not even worth $1.00? And may I ask what you base that calculation on? I would say my fame is worth at least $2.00, maybe even a quarter more. How much is your 1999 Smithsonian Magazine fame worth anyway? Walking, blisters, sunburns, that will find meteorites... Oh, you mean like the 28 days in
Re: [meteorite-list] PA fall media hype
Mike, List, Sorry for this list but here goes. This post is lower than I thought even you would stoop. Steve's portrait of you as a pig in mud is very kind. I, like Steve won't stoop to mud slinging but are you envious that I and not you have found Arizona meteorites. All you need to do is get out and look on your own and you may find some. Don't always depend on other people like Jack to steer you. I might add that anybody can buy meteorites from those very hard working Moroccans. Your work fails to impress everybody but you. You toot your own horn more than everybody else on this list combined. Yes you are in bed with a few scientists but ask any one of them if they respect you. Sure you feed them but someday they will realize that they are better off with the rest of us instead of you. I have been reading this list for only two years and I have never read a single good thing about you. you treat everyone the same. Like crap. I know. Here I go again needing the towel to clean up with but I love this list. I think most of the people are amazing . I have learned a great deal and a few of the people are no less than geniuses. You are the only true moron that posts here. And what do you mean institutions don't want to deal with me? I deal with many scientists and so far not a single complaint. Michael Blood sold a small self find Eucrite for me but what have you to do with this??? Mike you would do well to start being nice to people. I have gotten quite a few posts thanking me for what I've said and I do not know these people. So, I am not alone here. Please go shower and maybe you will see what it feels like to be clean . -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com wrote: Carl, your response is so rude to hardly deserve a reply, but hey, it is not often I am called a Psycho. Pretty funny really. You should really get a paper towl and clean that brown stuff off your nose. Carl, there is a reason that the institutions want nothing to do with you, and you know why. You should tell the list about what makes all of your new Arizona meteorites so similar. Any new Eucrites you found on your meteorite farm lately? Michael Farmer --- On Fri, 7/10/09, cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: From: cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] PA fall media hype To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Notkin geok...@notkin.net Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 3:26 PM Geoff, Steve, meteorite Men You are both class acts. There is nothing you can do about a psycho like Mike. In response to people like him it reminds me of what My mother has always said, she just shrugged her shoulders and says GOD LOVE HIM. Just pray that they get help for him soon. In the mean time keep up the good work and TV show. I think someone has aleady said that Mike is the single biggest problem with this hobby today. Very sad. Carl. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Notkin geok...@notkin.net wrote: Dear Mike: So, when other people are featured in the media while searching for meteorites you start tub thumping about it, but it's fine for Mike Farmer to use the media when it is convenient for him? During the West, Texas hunt you and your team were in the papers repeatedly, front page even. I didn't hear any complaints then. The Waco Tribune did a big piece in which you talked about how you bought a West (Ash Creek) stone during a secret meeting in a local gas station for more than $10.000 in cash. Most of that article focused precisely on how much the West meteorites were worth: http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/news/stories/2009/03/17/03172009wacmeteor.html I am sure I don't have to remind you that the newspaper story caused plenty of local problems. Some landowners right away figured they might have a $10,000 meteorite on their property too, and land was closed off to hunters. You were also the subject of magazine features in Fortune and Southwest Airlines magazines, and many other prominent publications -- very good articles and photos, by the way, and I have complimented you on them in person. So, if media pieces are about you it is fine, but you are sickened when others get some coverage? Please explain. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] PA fall media hype
Pretty creepy stuff. It's this sort of self aggrandizing egomania that turned me away from buying anything promoted by and as a result, fueling the behavior of any of these dealers. Call it marketing... one of my favorites was the one about, Making meteorites part of pop culture. It used to be funny, watching them fight over material, classifications and pairings. Now we have to deal with their superhero complexes? Give me a friggin break. _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
