[meteorite-list] AD-Fantastic Auctions Ending This Afternoon And Tomorrow
Dear List Members, I have 54 auctions ending today, all started at 99 cents with no reserves. There are some excellent specimens in this week's batch. There are many that are only at the opening bid while some others have no bids at all so take a look if you are interested in some real bargains. I also have some make offer pieces ending tomorrow. This may be a good opportunity to pick up larger pieces including a few main masses. Do not be afraid to make an offer if you see a piece that interests you. I am going to try to make it the field this weekend so will not being running auctions for next week. Link to all auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/raremeteorites!/m.html Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 Team Lunar Rock __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD -Check it Out
Dear List Members, I have 15 auctions ending this afternoon and 54 tomorrow. The ones ending today are priced with the buy-it-now option enabled. Tomorrows auctions were all started at just 99 cents with no reserve. I have several other auctions due to end within 10 days with the make offer option enabled. You may want to take a look if you have time. There are some great pieces and my sales inventory is very limited. Link to all auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/raremeteorites!/m.html Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 Team Lunar Rock __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Hunting in NW NV.
Yep, there are parts of Nevada that I believe have never been explored, at least by modern man. It is nice to drive 100 miles down dirt trails and not see a single sign of recent human inhabitants. No trash, no fences, no noise pollution, no light pollution and no cell phone connections. You can actually see the Milky Way, something I have not witnessed on a regular basis since I was a kid. I remember four wheeling it with some friends last Spring who pointed out wild life running in herds. I realized that it could easily pass for a safari in Africa but here we were in Nevada. This state has barely been touched as far as meteorite hunters go and I would like to see it remain open to meteorite hunters for generations to come. It would be a shame if a few lazy gold hunters leaving gaping holes behind make it off limits for other purposes or too much talk of monetary value starts an unwanted amateur meteorite hunting rush out here. If you see one of these idiots, remind them to fill their holes and pick up their trash. I think if we all respect the landowners and their land that this area will be open to meteorite hunters for at a least a couple of more years. Happy Hunting, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test - Ignore
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[meteorite-list] AD - 112 Items
Dear List Members, I have 54 auctions ending this afternoon. All were started at just 99 cents with no reserve. Many do not have bids yet or are still at the opening bid price so take a look if you are interested in some very low prices. I also have 58 other items listed with the buy-it-now or make offer options enabled. My stock on several items is running low or completely out so you may want to pick up a piece while you still can. Please take a look if you have the time. Link to all auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/raremeteorites!/m.html Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 Team Lunar Rock __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400
Congratulations John, It is great to hear that you really appreciate what this meteorite represents. I do not have any financial interest whatsoever in this rare and scientifically valuable find. I am surprised at the most reasonable price it is being offered for. Even if several more kilograms is confirmed, it is extremely rare; millions of times rare than diamonds and infinitely more important as far as I am concerned. One just has to look at the GRA stones found in Antarctica that were once mistakenly thought to plot on the TFL. The scientific community was scampering to get pieces of it after the press was misinformed about were they plotted. Now the real deal has shown up and from Northwest Africa, unquestionably the most important source for scientifically important new meteorites the last decade. Appreciate these meteorites while you can because new finds are being made at a mere trickle compared to five years ago in both Antarctica and Northwest Africa. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400
Hi Martin and List, Here is the meteorite oxygen chart you requested: http://themeteoritesite.com/MeteoriteOxygen.jpg Enjoy, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 6077, NWA 5400, NWA 5363 - O2 Plotting Diagram
Here is a chart showing where NWA 6077, NWA 5400, NWA 5363 plot. Thank you Bernd for updating the chart I provided earlier. Here is the link: http://themeteoritesite.com/OXYGENPLOT.jpg Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Candidates for the 2010 Elections
Dear List, I was privileged to serve with Norbert as an officer on the board of directors for the IMCA. During these three years, I observed how diligent, hard working and fair Norbert is. He is a founding member and worked tirelessly to advance the IMCA. He devoted probably thousands of hours without pay or personal gain. He did it for the love of meteorites. Even if you are not an IMCA member, you should be made aware of the hard work and dedication Norbert put towards this great avocation. He is a true credit to the meteorite community and reflects kindly in environment that isn't always that friendly or clear cut. I wish him the best, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !
Shawn wrote: * Now the slight problem I have with NWA's is that you really don't know how much of that stuff is out there. That can work in your favor and against you. So lets say you found an NWA and its about 1000g and you get it tested and its a new NWN. Now you can say its rare because there is only 1000g, but do you really know that for sure? From what I have seen, its not the case, and NWAs keep getting paired with each other more time then not I think that's why I tend to stay away from NWA's for that reason and others. This issue is not unique to NWA meteorites. The same thing could be said for Antarctic or other desert finds. Yes, Antarctica is a desert. The same issue applies to falls. How much Allende is really out there? Nobody knows for sure, the same can be said for Murchison. You can make the same claim for just about any fall. I have seen collectors financially burned on falls many times, myself among them. I have lost more value by collecting new falls than I have collecting finds. This is why I tend to stay away from new falls. The price drops off sharply within a few months once the initial excitement disappears. I lost a small fortune on New Orleans and Claxton by letting the market determine the value by putting them up for auction with no reserves. Happy Hunting, Long live the finds because without them we would have no lunar meteorites, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD -Many Great Auctions Ending Today
Dear List Members, I have 54 great auctions ending today started at just 99 cents with no reserve. I also have some fixed price auctions with the make offer option enabled. Please take a look if you have time. Link to all auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/raremeteorites!/m.html Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 Team Lunar Rock __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !
Pairings are found throughout, regardless if found or witnessed. It is just that falls require much less scrutiny since the find location is enough to make a pairing conclusion. The pairings are very rarely recorded for a fall after the initial entry in the bulletin. NWAs on the other hand, require much more study to determine pairings. The find locations are known for most NWA meteorites, same for any other area of mass concentrations. The Nomads and hunters go back to these same locations time and time again. Sometimes the shifting sands reveal more material. Same for dry lake beds and Antarctic finds. They are named the same way as NWAs regardless whether coordinates are given or not. They are all given serial numbers following the nomenclature. It doesn't make one rarer than the other. It could be argued that a lot of pairings are lost with time making the TKW for finds less than that of falls. It cannot be concluded that one is rarer than the other due to nomenclature alone. The TKWs given for falls are way off unless they came in as a single stone. One just needs to look at Park Forest where the weights were recorded in the Meteoritical Bulletin before the main mass and many others were found. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, September 28, 2010 8:45:40 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 ! Adam wrote: *** This issue is not unique to NWA meteorites. The same thing could be said for Antarctic or other desert finds. Yes, Antarctica is a desert. The same issue applies to falls. How much Allende is really out there? Nobody knows for sure, the same can be said for Murchison. You can make the same claim for just about any fall. *** Adam the difference between NWAs and all the other falls is that NWA nobody knows where the strewn fields are. As for the rest, there is data on strewn fields and correct documentation that is used to asses the fall or find. But with a NWA I find that people say that only buy my NWA because its the real deal and the pairs are inferior. The problem with that is with NWAs are collected and through out the months or year the same meteorite gets recycled back to dealers and in a since every NWA stone has to be classified cause of the collection process. Good example is NWA 2999, I think this meteorite has 2 other pairings if not more and think how many pairs it will have in a few years from now? And another good example is NWA 5400 which could have a few pairs, which are very likely. Now when people bank of there NWA as being rare cause of low TKW it seems that it this could be misleading cause of the circumstances that NWAs present to science and they way they are collected. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !Adam Hupe raremeteorites at yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 09:22:26 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 ! Next message: [meteorite-list] NEW RELEASE - The Day the Meteorite Fell in Sylacauga Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Shawn wrote: * Now the slight problem I have with NWA's is that you really don't know how much of that stuff is out there. That can work in your favor and against you. So lets say you found an NWA and its about 1000g and you get it tested and its a new NWN. Now you can say its rare because there is only 1000g, but do you really know that for sure? From what I have seen, its not the case, and NWAs keep getting paired with each other more time then not I think that's why I tend to stay away from NWA's for that reason and others. This issue is not unique to NWA meteorites. The same thing could be said for Antarctic or other desert finds. Yes, Antarctica is a desert. The same issue applies to falls. How much Allende is really out there? Nobody knows for sure, the same can be said for Murchison. You can make the same claim for just about any fall. I have seen collectors financially burned on falls many times, myself among them. I have lost more value by collecting new falls than I have collecting finds. This is why I tend to stay away from new falls. The price drops off sharply within a few months once the initial excitement disappears. I lost a small fortune on New Orleans and Claxton by letting the market determine the value by putting them up for auction with no reserves. Happy Hunting, Long live the finds because
[meteorite-list] Neat Article Recognizing NWA Planetary Material
Dear List Members, I read this article today and was impressed with the creative ideas and positive approach of bringing awareness of planetary meteorites to the rest of the world. It is interesting to note how scientists, Canadian astronauts and other principles are using NWA planetary material to achieve a Guinness world record and in the process, involving the public.It looks like a mutually beneficial, win-win situation for everybody. Link to article: http://www.yorku.ca/yfile/archive/index.asp?Article=15420 Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Neat Article Recognizing NWA Planetary Material
Hi Bernd and List, I must have missed the meteor reference. Another very minor error the press made is that the main mass is at the ROM. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 8:48:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Neat Article Recognizing NWA Planetary Material Hello Adam and List, I read this article today and was impressed with the creative ideas and positive approach of bringing awareness of planetary meteorites to the rest of the world. Agreed! But the media shouldn't call a meteorite a meteor ;-) = A fragment of NWA 998, a meteor from Mars = Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite?
Mike G Wrote: If profit is the focus of our activities then the government is always going to come knocking with it's hand out and the regulation pen in the other hand. I could not agree more. This is one of the reasons that I am so vocal about all of the media attaching seriously overinflated price tags to every meteorite instead of balancing the subject with other more important attributes. The price doesn't need to be mentioned at all unless unwanted attention is the desired result. A meteorite can carry its own weight without attaching a ridiculously high price tag to it in public. Unfortunately, putting up a price tag and playing the sound of the cash register drawer opening is a very cheap yet effective way to improve viewership, especially in an economic downturn. In my opinion, it is very irresponsible but may be good for ratings, just not the hobby. You notice that professionally done series like Chasing Mummies doesn't attach price tags to anything found. They do not need too. The treasure hunt, history and culture are all that is needed to keep an audience interested. They also inform the viewer of the laws concerning the antiquities so that a free-for-all doesn't break out. Lately, most of the people coming forward with suspected meteorites seem to be only attracted the monetary aspect of it, thinking they are lying everywhere like an Easter Egg hunt, ready for the picking. Happy Hunting while you still can, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Well Over 100 Auctions-Some Ending Today!
Dear List Members, This week, you will notice that I loaded twice as many auctions as normal. Half of these were started out at just 99 cents with no reserve. These are due to end this afternoon and many do not have opening bids yet so take a look if you have a chance. The other half are priced very reasonably and have the make offer option enabled for those who like to wheel and deal. There are many pieces that are the last of my inventory or the largest pieces I have available. This may be the last chance for many to get planetary pieces well in excess of over a gram for reasonable prices. If they fail to sell within the 30-day window, many will be broken down into more affordable units for liquidation purposes or placed in an international auction house. There are even some rare main masses mixed in. I am attempting to reach my eBay goals this Fall so that I can move onto other things. I will be clearing items out of my safes and liquidating specimens that will not become a permanent part of my collection so keep an eye out for very high quality pieces. Thank you for the affording me the opportunity to advertise in this forum. Please take a look if you have time. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 Team LunarRock __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stranded on a Large Island - With a Dry Lake Bed on It
That's easy. Richard O. Norton's Rocks From Space This book has done more to promote meteorites in a positive manner than any other form of media. I must have read it five times and still learn something each time. I have loaned out copies to others and all are well used. Happy Hunting, Adam - Original Message From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 12:45:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Stranded on a Large Island - With a Dry Lake Bed on It List: If you were stranded on a large Island and could only bring one Meteorite Related book with you... what would that book be? Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Crazies
Yes, it is scary that this guy has access to a very expensive R.O.V. I had an old man who was terminally ill send me some metal pieces that he claimed came from a troubled donut-shaped flying saucer that ejected molten metal over Vashion Island and on a fishing vessel in Washington State. He claims the only casualties were a dog that was on the boat and the boat itself. This occurred a week before the Roswell incident. It is funny that the UFO Hunters show devoted an entire episode to this alleged incident and could not find the old man or any metal. Supposed a plane transporting some of this material caught on fire and crashed. I do not normally watch this kind of show but heard they were covering an incident that was only a few miles from where I used to live. Why is it that they never seem to come up with any hard evidence and yet can do dozens a episodes? The metal looked like melted aluminum blobs to me. I still have them somewhere but forgot where I put them when I moved. No scientist was interested in analyzing them and I was embarrassed to even bring it up but I promised the old man I would look at them. This is when my curiosity got the best of me. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, September 19, 2010 11:36:03 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Crazies Only need to watch the first 2 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKUZpzoO9XYfeature=related Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Crazies
Hi Sterling, You are right, it is spelled Vashon. Maury island is actually attached to Vashon Island and is more of a peninsula than a real island. It is a ten minute ferry ride from where I used to live on the Puget Sound across from Point Defiance. I do not recall the old man's name but Harold does ring a bell, maybe from the mail I received or from hearing it on the show. I will look for the envelope and metal pieces next time I go through my collection. My point is that these crazies really believe what they are telling everybody or simply want 15 minutes of fame or both. I took a scientist friend's advice, Do not encourage them. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, September 19, 2010 1:14:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Crazies Hi, This is a long-evolved and complicated piece of the UFO folklore. You appear to be referring to Vashon Island (not Vashion), now referred to as the Maury Island incident: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maury_Island_incident You will note reports of rock-like slag being dropped and thin sheets of white metal, not metallic blobs. Your old man wasn't Harold A. Dahl, was he? Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Crazies Yes, it is scary that this guy has access to a very expensive R.O.V. I had an old man who was terminally ill send me some metal pieces that he claimed came from a troubled donut-shaped flying saucer that ejected molten metal over Vashion Island and on a fishing vessel in Washington State. He claims the only casualties were a dog that was on the boat and the boat itself. This occurred a week before the Roswell incident. It is funny that the UFO Hunters show devoted an entire episode to this alleged incident and could not find the old man or any metal. Supposed a plane transporting some of this material caught on fire and crashed. I do not normally watch this kind of show but heard they were covering an incident that was only a few miles from where I used to live. Why is it that they never seem to come up with any hard evidence and yet can do dozens a episodes? The metal looked like melted aluminum blobs to me. I still have them somewhere but forgot where I put them when I moved. No scientist was interested in analyzing them and I was embarrassed to even bring it up but I promised the old man I would look at them. This is when my curiosity got the best of me. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, September 19, 2010 11:36:03 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Crazies Only need to watch the first 2 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKUZpzoO9XYfeature=related Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Crazies
It looks like the UFO Conference has moved to Phoenix, Arizona from Laughlin, Nevada. I will miss all of the saucer enthusiasts getting sauced at the Loser Lounge and the Aquarius Casino. Although I would never attend any of the seminars, it is beyond entertaining listening to all of the abduction stories and sightings while they are in town at the local bars. I heave heard heated arguments ranging from how to best protect their daughters from aliens, the art of bringing a flying disk down with nothing but a shovel and where did the six million dollar man's bionics really come from? Here is the link if you live in the Phoenix area and want some cheap entertainment: http://ufocongress.com/ Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD-Large Rare Specimens-Still No Reserves!
Dear List Members, You will definitely want to check out the auctions I have ending this afternoon. I loaded some very large pieces of very rare meteorites and started them out at just 99 cents with NO RESERVES. You may want to take advantage of these great deals while they still exist. These type of auctions will be coming to end soon. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Some Planetary Highlights: Largest piece I have left of DAG 735 Martian meteorite : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140450569670 Large .254 gram thinly cut part slice of Lunar meteorite Dhofar 908: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517183223 Awesome .194 gram thinly cut slice of Lunar meteorite Dhofar 911: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517183924 Great .168 gram thinly cut slice of Lunar meteorite Dhofar 1085: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140450573301 Nice .092 gram part slice of Lunar meteorite NEA001: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140450574959 Almost Out of Stock - .104 gram part slice of Martian meteorite NWA 1110: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517196113 Rare - .224 gram slice of Martian meteorite NWA 1195: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517196739 VERY RARE LOW TKW- .150 gram slice of Martian meteorite NWA 2626: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140450581128 Crusted and Large - .388 gram specimen of Lunar meteorite NWA 3163: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517202983 HUGE PIECE - .328 gram specimen of Martian meteorite NWA 4468: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517203949 Ultra Rare - .182 gram thinly cut slice of Lunar meteorite NWA 4884: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517206369 Legendary - .324 gram part slice of Lunar meteorite NWA 5000: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140450588804 Scarce - .270 gram thinly cut slice of Lunar meteorite NWA 5406: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517207425 260 milligram fragment of signature Martian meteorite Shergotty: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517207755 And Too Many to List Very Rare Classifications Can Be Found At This Link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteori...@yahoo.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD-Large (?) Rare Specimens-Still No Reserves!
I consider anything over 200 milligrams (1 carat) large for planetary material, some with a Total Known Weight of only 26 or 42 grams as is the case with a few pieces. A 388 milligram specimen is almost 2 carats. I don't see anybody listing 2 carat diamonds starting at just 99 cents and this material is millions of times rarer. I am not trying to mislead anybody. These are very large specimens for most collectors and will not disappear into thin air if one sneezes. I do not see anybody else listing pieces this large without protecting them with some kind of reserves. I guess it is just a matter of perspective. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Michael Fowler mqfow...@mac.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Michael Fowler mqfow...@mac.com Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 8:33:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD-Large (?) Rare Specimens-Still No Reserves! Hi Adam, When I saw your post for Large rare specimens starting at 99 cents, and no reserves, I was starting to get excited, my mouth salivating at the possibilities. Then I saw that the largest was only 388 milligrams and all the others were even smaller. Oh Well. Maybe next time. Mike Fowler Chicago Proud owner of: DHO 025 Lunar full slice 7.34 grams NWA 2727 Lunar full slice 4.02 grams Dear List Members, You will definitely want to check out the auctions I have ending this afternoon. I loaded some very large pieces of very rare meteorites and started them out at just 99 cents with NO RESERVES. You may want to take advantage of these great deals while they still exist. These type of auctions will be coming to end soon. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Some Planetary Highlights: Largest piece I have left of DAG 735 Martian meteorite : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140450569670 Large .254 gram thinly cut part slice of Lunar meteorite Dhofar 908: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517183223 Awesome .194 gram thinly cut slice of Lunar meteorite Dhofar 911: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517183924 Great .168 gram thinly cut slice of Lunar meteorite Dhofar 1085: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140450573301 Nice .092 gram part slice of Lunar meteorite NEA001: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140450574959 Almost Out of Stock - .104 gram part slice of Martian meteorite NWA 1110: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517196113 Rare - .224 gram slice of Martian meteorite NWA 1195: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517196739 VERY RARE LOW TKW- .150 gram slice of Martian meteorite NWA 2626: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140450581128 Crusted and Large - .388 gram specimen of Lunar meteorite NWA 3163: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517202983 HUGE PIECE - .328 gram specimen of Martian meteorite NWA 4468: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517203949 Ultra Rare - .182 gram thinly cut slice of Lunar meteorite NWA 4884: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517206369 Legendary - .324 gram part slice of Lunar meteorite NWA 5000: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140450588804 Scarce - .270 gram thinly cut slice of Lunar meteorite NWA 5406: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517207425 260 milligram fragment of signature Martian meteorite Shergotty: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200517207755 And Too Many to List Very Rare Classifications Can Be Found At This Link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD-Large (?) Rare Specimens-Still No Reserves!
Dear List, I appreciate all of the kind comments. I was not really offended by the size remark. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. After all, if everybody could afford complete slices of planetary material, then these would be considered small. Unfortunately, the economy dictates what collectors can really afford. I expressed my opinions yesterday about crazies and I am sure not everybody would agree with what I said. I don't expect them to. Meteorites are not a necessity for most. A collector can make it as cheap or as expensive as they want. They can simply collect images of meteorites or they can go all out. It depends on what they are after or what they can afford. Right now, a 388 milligram planetary specimen may be more than what most can afford or if you are very fortunate, could easily be perceived as a minuscule. I appreciate any specimen, large or small. My brother in law recently found his first meteorite after 8 years of intermittent searching. It may be small at less than 5 grams to some but it is larger than life to him. I couldn't be more thrilled with his find. The smile on his face could not be taken away for weeks. I could of said, wow, look at how small it is but I simply do not think that way. I have seen the largest and maybe the smallest meteorites found in Nevada. They are all great and I don't think the owners would trade them for mere planetary pieces. It is all a matter of personal perspective. Happy Hunting, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rust Question about my stone meteorite. BKF is the best :)
Hi List, Most museums and notable collections realize that proper preparation is the key to preservation. Slices should be polished on both sides to reduce surface area which can and will trap moisture. A properly applied polish is the most important step in preserving any cut meteorite that contains metal. Tap water containing chlorine should never be used in the cutting or polishing processes. They should be stored in an area that doesn't experience huge temperature swings. Specimens do better in very low humidity. A lacquer coating should never be applied. Some less knowledgeable dealers apply a lacquer coating as a shortcut. Although, it may make the specimen look more desirable, it will never provide a substitute for a professionally applied polish. As a mater of fact, it actually traps moisture inside the specimen, will yellow over the years and is just plain bad. I learned the hard way. I had a several thousand dollar Brenham Pallasite dissolve into a pile of crap in a few short years. The slice actually flexed when I remove it from the safe. The only thing holding it together was the lacquer coating which held long enough for me to throw the specimen into a trash can. I was so disgusted that I never purchased from that dealer again. Hope this helps, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Crazies on eBay
Dear List Members, It is interesting to note that 50% of the the top ten meteorites in price listed on eBay are not meteorites at all. It is a shame that these bogus offerings interfere with genuine pieces. It is obvious that they self appraised these pieces after listening to overinflated and unrealistic values given by the media. They think meteorites are lying around like an Easter egg hunt. After watching too much TV and barely hiking around the block, they feel that meteorites are everywhere, ready to be picked anytime and any place. Any pile of rocks is now seen as a strewn field, ready to plucked and profited from. It like snagging a sucker out of a babies mouth. All of sudden, they are experts and don't need laboratory confirmation. There is no way that any of these sellers would ruin their multimillion dollar dreams by following proper protocol that is available to anyone with a google search engine and who can read. The only confirmed piece to show up after all of the recent press was qualified by UCLA before the IMCA was even contacted. And then, the finder only contacted the IMCA to locate the best place to cut it. The fortunate individual did his homework online before contacting anyone. I guess a 1 in 10,000 ratio makes the process worth while for some. I would rather put my money into a slot machine (One Armed Bandit) and pull the handle. The odds are much greater of actually winning something substantial than a real meteorite showing up. I am not pleased with all of the false offerings allowed on eBay. This is why many dealers do not bother with it anymore. Who wants to compete in a sea of fakes? With over 4,500 meteorite listings, first class material barely stands out and is why most sellers are protecting themselves with fixed prices. First, it was the China Syndrome of iron ore. Now it is the Who wants to be the next millionaire clan as seen on TV? Its feels like I have been bounced around like a baby with a nasty diaper, taking a lot of the enjoyment out of selling on eBay. Sorry, just needed to vent after being contacted yet again by another crazy. It seems to be almost a daily occurrence and a complete waste of time. This is what happens when you sell on eBay. Instead of inquiring about the genuine meteorites I have for sale, these extremely rude people use eBay to ask about a meteorite wrong they have found. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Another meteorite millionaire wannabe
Another meteorite millionaire wannabe who watches too much TV, thinks he will become rich beyond belief and won't take no for an answer. Read his responses to parties inquiring about his $5,000,000.00 auction with $1.00 postage. It must be real, it looks just like what he saw on TV. More negative backlash. It is idiots like this that clog the classification systems with crap. Expect more laboratories to close their doors as mountains of meteorite wrongs come in. Link to auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=270631312395 Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another meteorite millionaire wannabe
Honestly, meteorite wrongs do clog up the system. I have wasted hundreds of hours on them myself. I can only imagine what a University who studied these wrongs goes through. I was told that the IMCA is tying up a huge amount of resources on meteorite wrongs these days when only few inquiries would come in a month when I was on the board. ASU meteorite services is now closed to the public. If I recall properly, they even posted an image of a mountain of meteorite wrongs on the Rocks from Space Picture of the Day not too long ago. Now they announce a discontinuation of service. Over 700 a year were coming to ASU if I read this properly, http://meteorite-identification.com/mwnews/82202.html WUSTL meteorite wrongs: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/meteorwrongs.htm It takes more time to explain why a meteorite wrong is not a meteorite than it takes to determine what it actually is. Then it has to be packaged and sent back to the disbelieving owner. All of this takes time. Multiple it by thousands and they certainly will clog up systems. They get way more meteorite wrongs than rights so what is tying up more time? This goes back to the responsibility over ratings thread. These people who are selling meteorite wrongs could care less about the meteorites, only the overemphasized amount of money they may get. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 10:41:24 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another meteorite millionaire wannabe Another ebay winner! I honestly doubt this clogs anything as one look will show its not a meteorite. From my experience, Most places that test wont even bother with a sample if they dont think its a meteorite - thats without even doing any testing and just based on how it looks. As many people like this who come out (due to meteorite men tv show or not - they were here before the show also) there is a great impact that the show has made. Not once do I go out and as soon as the subject of meteorites comes up I hear I saw that show about meteorite men on TV or something close is mentioned. The more that see it means the more that are interested in it... That can only be good over the long run for anyone who sells. I usually get 1-2 sales per week from people who see the show and go searching on the internet for more info. I even use the search term meteorite men now as it does bring hits and sales to my website. hope everyone is good! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Sun, 9/12/10, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Another meteorite millionaire wannabe To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 1:28 PM Another meteorite millionaire wannabe who watches too much TV, thinks he will become rich beyond belief and won't take no for an answer. Read his responses to parties inquiring about his $5,000,000.00 auction with $1.00 postage. It must be real, it looks just like what he saw on TV. More negative backlash. It is idiots like this that clog the classification systems with crap. Expect more laboratories to close their doors as mountains of meteorite wrongs come in. Link to auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=270631312395 Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another meteorite millionaire wannabe
I forgot to mention NAU is now off of the public classification services list along with ASU; two very prominent meteorite classification powerhouses now gone within the last year and both from Arizona. They seem to be dropping out one by one at an alarming rate. I am not trying to be overly dramatic. I just see things going the wrong way the last couple of years. More and more land is now off limits including my home state of Washington. This really upsets me because I tied a goal around finding one there. The late Richard O. Norton warned that this could happen over a decade ago. He was one of the first to recognize that responsibility would translate into preservation if managed properly. I listened to him for several hours at a private party in Tucson over ten years ago and his points were well received. I feel almost guilty for being so complacent but now will openly mention issues that bother me. Best Regards and happy Hunting, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Crazies
My personal favorite is the multimillion dollar blown out toilet plunger meteorite wrong. Actually, I have no idea what it was. The toilet plunger guess came from this list. A member surmised that maybe the 120 plus degree temperatures out here may have melted it the unrecognizable shape it is in now. Here is the link to the controversial piece that was sent to me and caused a lot of grief: http://themeteoritesite.com/NevadaMeteorite-a.jpg http://themeteoritesite.com/NevadaMeteorite-b.jpg The proud owner would not take no for an answer. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed fall lunars?still no clear answere
I think most of it comes from lack of recognition. Lunar meteorites do not seem to lose as much of their mass when entering the atmosphere so probably do not produce huge bolides. Chondrites, on the other hand generally burn up 90% or more, if they survive at all. For some reason, Martian meteorites tend to be larger in size so probably put out more light. For the most part, they have very black glossy crusts (Eucrite like) which makes them very easy to recognize. The Moroccans have proved that once a searcher has been taught what to look for, success is soon to follow if a reasonable effort is put forth. If I read Randy's site correctly, no lunar meteorites were found in Northwest Africa last year and the peak was around 4 or 5 years ago. Each and every lunar meteorite found in the hot deserts was a tough pull but it can be done. Now that we have gained all of this knowledge from the NWA gold rush which is now over, it is time to work the next plateau which most believe is the Mojave. Happy Hunting, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ASU suspends public meteorite identification program
Yes, it was just a matter of time. You can only tie up your resources looking at so many meteorite wrongs before it interferes with budget and time management. I no longer look at solicited/suspected meteorites from unknown parties for the same reasons. Most think their finds are going to make them the latest millionaires and do not want to hear the truth. Dreams are free unless you are the one characterizing the object. Some get very angry when you tell them what they have is not a meteorite and they are not that easy to find regardless of what they saw on TV or read on some website. You can only be abused so many times before the process becomes less enjoyable. Here is to finding real meteorites! Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - 54 Auctions Ending In A Few Hours
Dear List Members, I have 54 auctions ending this afternoon. All were started at just 99 cents with no reserves. Many do not have bids so there will definitely be some bargains to be had this week. Please take a look if you have time. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 Team LunarRock __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Great Stuff - No Reserves
Dear List Members, I have 54 great auctions ending today. You will find many sizable planetary pieces and other rarities started at just 99 cents with no reserve. I loaded some larger pieces worth several hundred dollars so they are definitely worth checking out. These kind of bargains will not last forever since most dealers have moved to fixed pricing on eBay for items worth more than a few dozen dollars. Real auctions with no reserves are quickly becoming a thing of the past. Please take a look if you have time. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 Team LunarRock __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
I think they will BE. As most scientists and knowledgeable collectors will tell you, a meteorite doesn't care where it lands. I think they will be greater appreciated when the economy gets better and there is very little left to argue about. They are not mere commodities as some would like you to think and they are not a readily renewable resource. I feel it was very fortunate for them to fall in Northwest Africa where the climate preserves them well and the world's best recovery team was there to collect them. The gold rush has been over for some time reaching its pinnacle a few years ago. It is time to find the next plateau, will it be the Mojave or Mexico? Happy Collecting. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Elections and my status
Greg made this statement; ** The IMCA was started when Lunars were selling for well over $2000 per gram... you can now buy them all day long for as low as $200 per gram. Times have changed and the IMCA needs to change with them, or get left behind. We can amend the US constitution, we can amend the declaration. *** I am not sure that the prices of lunar material have anything to do with the IMCA. $200.00 a gram? Come on! You can't even purchase Lunar meteorites directly from the Moroccans for this price anymore. I paid more than this for lunaites from the Germans that were found a long time ago in Oman. You would be lucky to find a Martian at this price due to there being five times as much available. Please provide us with the dealers names who are selling all day long at this price so that I can take advantage of them. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO!
These permits are free, just a huge hassle in order to get one. They want to know everything about your visits afterward on reports that need to be sent in. Stay out of any area that requires a permit if you do not have one. We learned the hard way. Our team was snitched out by a competitive hunter from L.A. when we did not know you needed permits. A gate leading to a lake bed was left open with the permit required signs on the back of it obscured when we went through it. When we tried to exit the lake bed at the end of the day, the gate was closed and a BLM truck on the way. Needless to say, this catch em alive trap worked very well. I now research every area I enter and look carefully for signs. If I see a BLM truck, I ask questions first. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 26, 2010 thanks to the Hupes
Thank you Steve and other List Members for the positive remarks. I am pleased to see material from Northwest Africa being embraced by major institutions and collections. The only piece in this beautiful collage that came from my collection is NWA 5000. TCU and the Adler Planetarium also have great representative samples of NWA 5000 in their collections. It is a win-win situation when both private and public sectors can share in a find. Here is an image of Dr. Tony Irving and NASA Apollo 16 Astronaut/Moonwalker Charlie Duke holding the Ambassador slice of NWA 5000. This slice is being used in part to promote future missions to the Moon. I can not think of a higher honor. It is great when personalities of the highest esteem have no problem whatsoever of where a meteorite landed so long as it was obtained legally. The image is little grainy since it is a scan of an original: http://themeteoritesite.com/DukeIrvingSlice-b.jpg Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com To: m_gr...@yahoo.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 8:00:36 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 26, 2010 thanks to the Hupes I can see more contributions here by the Hupe Brothers. A thanks and congradulations. Clear skys. Steve On Thu Aug 26th, 2010 5:44 AM EDT Mirko Graul wrote: Hi Laurence and list, wow, what great pieces! A very beautiful composition! My personal favorite is the Isheyevo slice 421g. ;-)) Best regards, Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) --- Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org schrieb am Do, 26.8.2010: Von: Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org Betreff: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 26, 2010 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Donnerstag, 26. August, 2010 05:11 Uhr http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_26_2010.html - http://www.rocksfromspace.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Search for first U.S. lunar meteorite
It is true that if you depend on a magnet, you will not find a planetary meteorite. I found the small 50 gram half of NWA 1195 in a Moroccan discard pile, same for other planetary pieces. It was placed there because it was not magnetic and did not have a crust. They sent rocks that bothered them from discard piles to have us look at them. They have an outstanding memory and when we told them that one of the stones was an incomplete Martian and forwarded them an image of it, they searched and found the larger half a few meters from where the the first was found. We told the Moroccans to send us any out of place stones and stop depending on magnets. They soon began to put more value on the visual characteristics which in turn increased their yield greatly. The problem is that a lot of terrestrial rocks started showing up in our loads and we had to explain why they were not meteorites. This process took years until they became experts at finding them. It cost my brother, Greg and I tens of thousands of dollars to study these pieces with an occasional surprise showing up. We would then patiently explain what characteristics to look for when a winning piece showed up. Being able to recognize Lunar/Martian meteorites in the field is a process in which the Moroccans have become experts. The yield has dropped significantly the last few years so most of the readily accessible areas have been searched. They have to go further and further out in order to find them and there comes a point where this becomes logistically impossible. Just over a decade ago, no planetary meteorites were recognized as coming from NWA. It is time to search North America before it becomes off-limits. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO!
Believe it or not, It is illegal to carry a magnet on a stick or any other searching device into some areas of California for the purpose of locating a resource. Get caught with a magnetic cane or no permit on Ivanpah Dry Lake bed for example and you will be in big trouble with the BLM. Any place that has artifacts in California which includes most dry lake beds is now off-limits to using a magnetic cane or metal detector for searching. This is what I was told by a BLM officer in the Needles California office when I tried to pin them down for answers and permits. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO!
I know these laws don't always make sense. I think they are trying to protect the Indian artifacts more than anything else by these no searching device rules. The last I checked, these artifacts were made of stone not metal so who knows what the lawmakers were thinking. Most listen too much of what they hear on TV and have no reality of what really is going on. I have a question. Does anybody know why Roach Dry Lake is closed in Nevada? Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: R N Hartman rhartma...@earthlink.net To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 2:28:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! They (the BLM) don't want to allow meteorite collecting but they will allow ATV's to race and tear up the lake bed. - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! Believe it or not, It is illegal to carry a magnet on a stick or any other searching device into some areas of California for the purpose of locating a resource. Get caught with a magnetic cane or no permit on Ivanpah Dry Lake bed for example and you will be in big trouble with the BLM. Any place that has artifacts in California which includes most dry lake beds is now off-limits to using a magnetic cane or metal detector for searching. This is what I was told by a BLM officer in the Needles California office when I tried to pin them down for answers and permits. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Search for first U.S. lunar meteorite
I have been training my eyes for well over a decade to recognize Lunar and Martian meteorites. I can hardly wait to get into the field full-time once I reach my sales goals and can give up eBay. I am planing a super Mojave Desert Hunt this fall, just like I used to do with the Team LunarRock hunts of the distant past which were always productive. The more eyes, the better the chances. I can hardly wait to test some new equipment and get much needed exercise. Let the hunt begin while most of the Mojave is still legally accessible to hunting. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WAS Cyanobacteria in meteorites? NOW: Life in Meteorites
Martian meteorite NWA 998 displays an abundance of these fossils and is proving to be much richer than ALH84001: If the scientific community ever completely embraces the idea, then we will witness another surge in the importance they represent. In any case, all of the talk of Martian fossils and life helped lift Mars into the forefront making it easier to justify all of the missions taking place there. In my opinion, ALH84001 and the scientists who studied it are mostly responsible for the renewed interest in Mars. Here is a link to a recent article on NWA 998: http://skymania.com/wp/2010/04/new-meteorite-clues-to-life-on-mars.html Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, August 21, 2010 12:15:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WAS Cyanobacteria in meteorites? NOW: Life in Meteorites Perhaps... But, are you referring to the Orgueil meteorite claim of fossilized bacteria, Murchison, or the whole claim of fossilized microbial life in meteorites all together? We already know that microbial life can survive in space. The question is for how long. The conclusion sounds accurate enough to say... Plausible: Life is not restricted to Earth, nor is there evidence that says empirically that life could NOT survive in the harshness of space. In fact there is more evidence that suggested it's probable than not. Based on the fact that it has already been observed that life can survive in space without the insulative protection that asteroid, meteoroid, or ejecta material could provide. Look at this: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/1998/ast01sep98_1/#anchor179666 Granted that's only 2.6 years, and we brought it back to Earth. What's to say it wouldn't have survived in the camera longer if left alone, or if it were cocooned within the safe confines of a meteoroid or asteroid that it couldn't survive for millions of years. There's an interesting article on survival of microbes in space in the Journal of Cosmology titled Microbial Survival Mechanisms and the Interplanetary Transfer of Life Through Space. http://journalofcosmology.com/Panspermia9.html And the Plausibility of Martian Microbes - Which was posted/linked to on the Met-List in 2004 http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg21972.html Original Article: http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/941/plausibility-of-martian-microbes Also good reads from LPI, NASA, and Astrobiology Magazine. Fossil Life in ALH 84001? http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpi/meteorites/life.html Evidence of Ancient Martian Life in Meteorite ALH84001? http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/marslife.html And these articles on extremophiles and other extreme life propagating environs: http://www.astrobio.net/hottopic_origins_extremelife.php The evidence of life transfer from reputable sources is growing. The more we learn about meteorites the more we realize that they are the key to understanding everything. Regards, Eric On 8/21/2010 10:18 AM, Charles O'Dale wrote: Apparently this is a hoax, sorry about that guys !! : ( Chuck http://ottawa-rasc.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Odale-Articles - Forwarded Message From: Charles O'Dalecodale0...@rogers.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 8:35:04 AM Subject: Cyanobacteria in meteorites? http://www.panspermia.org/hoover4.htm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - 54 Auctions Ending Today - NO RESERVES!
Dear List Members, I have 54 Auctions ending this afternoon. All were started at just 99 cents with no reserves. Please take a look if you have time. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 Team LunarRock __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The emperor of angrites
I thought this meteorite was to be sold to a would be benefactor for around 3.5 U.S. million dollars and was donated to a University in Oregon. They claimed it weighed 5 lbs which equals 2,270 grams. At $3,500,000.00, this would amount to a whopping $15,418.50/gram. I think we are talking about the same meteorite here. I guess the press got it wrong once again by throwing out ridiculously large numbers. It is no wonder why Oregon is one of two states currently designating their land illegal to hunt meteorites. It seems that good news has once again turned bad. I canceled a hunting trip to Washington/Oregon this summer due to these poorly thought out laws or new interpretations of old ones. Even though this meteorite was not even found on U.S. soil, the large numbers seem to have attracted or contributed to unwanted attention. Here is the article: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/07/multimilliondollar_meteorite_h.html Maybe I read it wrong but it seems blatantly clear to me. It is even headlined Multimillion Dollar Meteorite Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The emperor of angrites
Sorry, I added an extra 0. The price per gram would still be a whopping $1,541.81/gram. - Original Message From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 5:19:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The emperor of angrites I thought this meteorite was to be sold to a would be benefactor for around 3.5 U.S. million dollars and was donated to a University in Oregon. They claimed it weighed 5 lbs which equals 2,270 grams. At $3,500,000.00, this would amount to a whopping $15,418.50/gram. I think we are talking about the same meteorite here. I guess the press got it wrong once again by throwing out ridiculously large numbers. It is no wonder why Oregon is one of two states currently designating their land illegal to hunt meteorites. It seems that good news has once again turned bad. I canceled a hunting trip to Washington/Oregon this summer due to these poorly thought out laws or new interpretations of old ones. Even though this meteorite was not even found on U.S. soil, the large numbers seem to have attracted or contributed to unwanted attention. Here is the article: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/07/multimilliondollar_meteorite_h.html Maybe I read it wrong but it seems blatantly clear to me. It is even headlined Multimillion Dollar Meteorite Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world
Thank you, Greg, It is both a desert patina and fusion crust. The gray area is where the fusion crust was etched very thin by the prevailing winds and sand over the 1,000 year period it spent in Western Sahara. You can still observe contraction cracks in the gray areas where the crust is so thin that you can see the matrix through it. Most collectors do not realize that Lunar meteorites, for the most part, have brown fusion crusts. A few Mare pieces have smooth black fusion crusts and a few Highlands have translucent green fusion crusts. This is one of many clues that we have a prospective Lunaite in front of us. You will never see a wrinkly Eucrite-like black fusion crust on a lunar meteorite. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:27:33 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world Adam/Greg: Very impressive. Is that a fusion crust on NWA 5000 or desert varnish? Greg S. Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:31:50 -0700 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world The question was presented. How many dealers have a personal collection? My brother Greg and I started out as collectors and continue to this day. I believe we have more planetary main masses than anybody in the world. Here is an image of part of the Hupe Planetary Collection. http://themeteoritesite.com/HupeCollectionMainMasses.jpg We have a few more planetary main masses that are not included in this image, either because they were out on loan or too small. Enjoy and Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world
Hi Mike in CO, Magnetic susceptibility is a difficult question to answer. A CEREGE (CNRS), Geophysics and Planetologyscientist from France flew out here to Laughlin, NV, U.S.A. to conduct magnetic susceptibility studies on several of our planetary pieces including NWA 5000. He spent hours plotting hundred of points on NWA 5000 to create a susceptibility map. All I can tell you is that numbers his instruments measured were different for each and every point on the rock. I guess we will have to wait for the results and magnetic map to be published. If you are asking how attracted it is to a magnet, then my answer is as follows: NWA 5000 contains more metal than any rock from the Moon discovered, yet a magnet will barley stick to it unless you are in direct contact with a piece of elemental metal. I have magnets so powerful that the small amount of iron in breakfast cereal is enough to make the pieces of cereal stick to them, same for dry dog food. For the most part, planetary meteorites are not all that attracted to standard magnets. I recommend liberating a piece of a suspected planetary meteorite and then testing it with a magnet therefore preserving the rest of the mass for future study. A magnet will orient some of the dipoles into a new North South direction making some future studies impossible. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Michael Murray mmur...@montrose.net To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 2:02:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world This is probably the 'dumb question of the year' but, is there any magnetic susceptibility detectable on NWA 5000 or, for that matter any of your planetary pieces? See, told you it was going to be a dumb question. Mike in CO On Aug 16, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Adam Hupe wrote: Thank you, Greg, It is both a desert patina and fusion crust. The gray area is where the fusion crust was etched very thin by the prevailing winds and sand over the 1,000 year period it spent in Western Sahara. You can still observe contraction cracks in the gray areas where the crust is so thin that you can see the matrix through it. Most collectors do not realize that Lunar meteorites, for the most part, have brown fusion crusts. A few Mare pieces have smooth black fusion crusts and a few Highlands have translucent green fusion crusts. This is one of many clues that we have a prospective Lunaite in front of us. You will never see a wrinkly Eucrite-like black fusion crust on a lunar meteorite. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:27:33 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world Adam/Greg: Very impressive. Is that a fusion crust on NWA 5000 or desert varnish? Greg S. Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:31:50 -0700 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world The question was presented. How many dealers have a personal collection? My brother Greg and I started out as collectors and continue to this day. I believe we have more planetary main masses than anybody in the world. Here is an image of part of the Hupe Planetary Collection. http://themeteoritesite.com/HupeCollectionMainMasses.jpg We have a few more planetary main masses that are not included in this image, either because they were out on loan or too small. Enjoy and Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world
The question was presented. How many dealers have a personal collection? My brother Greg and I started out as collectors and continue to this day. I believe we have more planetary main masses than anybody in the world. Here is an image of part of the Hupe Planetary Collection. http://themeteoritesite.com/HupeCollectionMainMasses.jpg We have a few more planetary main masses that are not included in this image, either because they were out on loan or too small. Enjoy and Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world
I find that most collectors do need or want the very best specimens, far too expensive. They desire a nice example that represents a certain type with the proper study, preparation, ID cards and provenance. They demand good service which they are entitled to. Very few are able to step up and spend thousands during this very poor economy. Second best would be an excellent acquisition and museum quality in most cases. I have several very small specimens in my collection that I am completely happy with that would not even come close to being second best or 20th best for that matter. If somebody desired one of our collection main masses and could afford it, I am sure we would reluctantly part with it. They do very little good sitting in safe deposit boxes and have nearly cost us our life savings. We have parted with a few main masses after enjoying them for awhile with a couple sitting in museums. We could have made far more by cutting them completely up but our desire to preserve ponderable masses has prevented us from doing so. I make the largest pieces available first and then break them down into more affordable pieces with time so everybody has a shot at a first class specimen. The main masses are set aside after cutting and a few are made available every year. Our collection is dynamic, changing all of the time so the very best specimens do come up sometimes. It would be very limiting if this thin market only demanded the very best specimens which very few could afford anyway. I see no conflict whatsoever with dealers maintaining personal collections. It demonstrates a sincere interest in meteorites that goes far beyond the monetary aspect of it. If it were all about money, they would not bother collecting them at all and dispose of every piece as quickly as possible. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world
Correction: I find that most collectors do not need or want the very best specimens, far too expensive. It should have read do not need instead of do need. Sorry for the error and repost, Adam - Original Message From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 5:55:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world I find that most collectors do need or want the very best specimens, far too expensive. They desire a nice example that represents a certain type with the proper study, preparation, ID cards and provenance. They demand good service which they are entitled to. Very few are able to step up and spend thousands during this very poor economy. Second best would be an excellent acquisition and museum quality in most cases. I have several very small specimens in my collection that I am completely happy with that would not even come close to being second best or 20th best for that matter. If somebody desired one of our collection main masses and could afford it, I am sure we would reluctantly part with it. They do very little good sitting in safe deposit boxes and have nearly cost us our life savings. We have parted with a few main masses after enjoying them for awhile with a couple sitting in museums. We could have made far more by cutting them completely up but our desire to preserve ponderable masses has prevented us from doing so. I make the largest pieces available first and then break them down into more affordable pieces with time so everybody has a shot at a first class specimen. The main masses are set aside after cutting and a few are made available every year. Our collection is dynamic, changing all of the time so the very best specimens do come up sometimes. It would be very limiting if this thin market only demanded the very best specimens which very few could afford anyway. I see no conflict whatsoever with dealers maintaining personal collections. It demonstrates a sincere interest in meteorites that goes far beyond the monetary aspect of it. If it were all about money, they would not bother collecting them at all and dispose of every piece as quickly as possible. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Martian vs. Lunar meteorites - Notes and Image
Martin Wrote: *** With lunaites I see a shallow trough. I think mainly caused by the expectations of the collectors, that due to the impact of the large-tkwNWA 5000, Moon would be available at unseen low rates. Such little troughs happened with lunars also in past (remember the Dhofar depression), but are always of a very temporary occurrence. Best indicator for the latter is, that those lunaites of particular interest due to their rare subtypes and special properties, remained constant in price and demand. * It is interesting that one stone can change perceptions proving that we are indeed in a very thin but growing market. The predictions that NWA 5000 would somehow ruin the market are unfounded. I knew from the beginning that the TKW was more than the meteorite collecting community could bear all at once and is one of the reasons I pursued other markets with this meteorite. Fortunately, Lunar meteorites do not depend entirely on the meteorite collectors market and are greatly desired in other venues. In other words, you do not have to collect meteorites in order to appreciate the unmatched scientific and aesthetic qualities on NWA 5000 or any other lunaite for that matter. This meteorite is currently the largest and most sought after certified moon rock in the world rating number one in desirability on non-biased appraisal surveys. The insurance value was set higher on this meteorite than an other in the world. The only complete slice of NWA 5000 (The Ambassador Slice) has been traveling around the world promoting meteorites in a positive manner. Several institutions have taken advantage of our willingness to loan out the Ambassador slice and it has been booked solid since it was prepared. Here is an image of astronaut and Moon Walker Charlie Duke using the complete slice on NWA5000 to promote future missions to the moon: http://themeteoritesite.com/DukeSlice.JPG Best Regards, Adam . - Original Message From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 2:21:51 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Martian vs. Lunar meteorites Hi Rob list, a well-arranged list of the Lunars and Martians sorted by pairings you have available on Norbert Classen's pages: http://www.meteoris.de/ Lunar list: http://www.meteoris.de/luna/list.html Martian list: http://www.meteoris.de/mars/list.html A comprehensive list with extensive information on each lunar stone, you'll find at Randy Korotev's famous lunar meteorites site - the best place for lunaites in the whole web: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites.htm and there the lunar listings: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alumina.htm The Martian pendant to Randy's pages are in progress, set up by Tony Irving: http://www.imca.cc/mars/martian-meteorites.htm Depending on who is deciding which meteorites are paired, there will be variability on how many unique Martian meteorites there are. Martians and Lunars are the only meteorite classes, where due to their special meaning, pairings are always and immediately established quasi as part of the classification process. That's possible, cause they count among the most investigated and known meteorites and there doesn't exist something like an anonymous Martian or Lunar. Thanks for the compliments for NWA 6162 :-) Indeed our experiences don't coincide with that said here on the list about the demand for Martians and the individual sizes of the specimens the collectors prefer. From NWA 6162 currently only 2 grams (six smaller cuts) are left and it went so fast like before NWA 5789, for which we hadn't to make advertizing neither or like NWA 5990, where only a little is still left. Hence one could think, that these are special cases, NWA 6162 outshines all shergottitic finds known before regarding freshness (and aesthetics IOHO) and NWA 5789 and 5990 both were petrological novelties, but also e.g. with the demand for NWA 4925 we are content. With lunaites I see a shallow trough. I think mainly caused by the expectations of the collectors, that due to the impact of the large-tkwNWA 5000, Moon would be available at unseen low rates. Such little troughs happened with lunars also in past (remember the Dhofar depression), but are always of a very temporary occurrence. Best indicator for the latter is, that those lunaites of particular interest due to their rare subtypes and special properties, remained constant in price and demand. With Martians all in all we observed raising prices during the last 4 years. Lunaites. well, I'm not Captain Blood, but I wouldn't wonder, if he would recommend in one of his next Market Trends that it's now the time to buy lunaites and Martians, cause that they'll get
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian vs. Lunar meteorites - Notes and Image
Here is an image of the NWA 5000 Ambassador Slice before the base was completed. You will note in the previous image that I posted that the metal base is finished. I have not seen this slice in over a year since it has been on constant loan. I have only seen it four times even though I own it in the last three years. Link to frontal image: http://themeteoritesite.com/Time-Capsule-c.jpg Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Michael Fowler mqfow...@mac.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Michael Fowler mqfow...@mac.com Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 9:42:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Martian vs. Lunar meteorites - Notes and Image Hi Adam, Could you post a (frontal) picture of the Ambassador Slice to the list or on RSPOD? Thanks, Mike Fowler Chicago The only complete slice of NWA 5000 (The Ambassador Slice) has been traveling around the world promoting meteorites in a positive manner. Several institutions have taken advantage of our willingness to loan out the Ambassador slice and it has been booked solid since it was prepared. Here is an image of astronaut and Moon Walker Charlie Duke using the complete slice on NWA5000 to promote future missions to the moon: http://themeteoritesite.com/DukeSlice.JPG Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian vs. Lunar meteorites - Notes and Image
It is the worlds largest complete slice of the moon weighing 575 grams and measuring: 19.25cm X 14.5cm X 1cm (7-3/8” X 5-11/16” X .4) Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Steve Witt stelo...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 2:08:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Martian vs. Lunar meteorites - Notes and Image Hi Adam, Do you know offhand the weight and dimensions of this specimen? thanx, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Wed, 8/11/10, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Martian vs. Lunar meteorites - Notes and Image To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 1:22 PM Here is an image of the NWA 5000 Ambassador Slice before the base was completed. You will note in the previous image that I posted that the metal base is finished. I have not seen this slice in over a year since it has been on constant loan. I have only seen it four times even though I own it in the last three years. Link to frontal image: http://themeteoritesite.com/Time-Capsule-c.jpg Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Michael Fowler mqfow...@mac.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Michael Fowler mqfow...@mac.com Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 9:42:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Martian vs. Lunar meteorites - Notes and Image Hi Adam, Could you post a (frontal) picture of the Ambassador Slice to the list or on RSPOD? Thanks, Mike Fowler Chicago The only complete slice of NWA 5000 (The Ambassador Slice) has been traveling around the world promoting meteorites in a positive manner. Several institutions have taken advantage of our willingness to loan out the Ambassador slice and it has been booked solid since it was prepared. Here is an image of astronaut and Moon Walker Charlie Duke using the complete slice on NWA5000 to promote future missions to the moon: http://themeteoritesite.com/DukeSlice.JPG Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
It does depend a lot on size. I remember a 4 milligram speck of NWA 011 selling for over $500.00 when only 58 milligrams was available. This is would extrapolate to a mere $125,000.00 gram. The only other meteorite I think to beat this price was Calcalong Creek which could at one time be had for much less and only in milligram sized specimens. It depends on how much is put on the market at any given time. I only managed to get around $10,000.00/gram for Calcalong creek after offering very small fragments for several weeks. It started out high and then decreased each week in a thin market until my supply was exhausted. Now, I cannot get any more now matter how hard I try. In larger sizes over a gram, lunar is and will always be king according to the Smithsonian Magazine, Mining for Meteorites. If all of ALH84001 or Chassigny were to be released at once, I doubt they could maintain record setting prices for very long. Most collectors would be satisfied with sub-gram pieces because the material is similar throughout meaning a larger piece would not provide much more variety of clasts than a small one.Lunaites, on the other hand, are highly variable, much more aesthetically pleasing and display a wider array of characteristics. People seem to relate more to the Moon, have admired it since ancient times and do not have to be into meteorites to desire a piece. You have heard the saying, I would giver here the Moon if I could. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: countde...@earthlink.net countde...@earthlink.net To: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca; Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 10:52:51 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? Melanie asked What is the most expensive per gram...? Gram sized and larger individual specimens of NWA 5000, Nakhla, Shergotty and Chassigny, just to name four planetaries, have brought up to $4,000 a gram depending on attractivness of size, weight, shape, lithology, fusion crust, preparation and documented provenance. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca Sent: Aug 10, 2010 1:38 PM To: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? Wow,, and the Sylacauga Hodges stone is just an ordinary chondrite.. Can you imagine if it were a rare achondrite or a Planetary meteorite, with a limited amount available to collectors?! @_@ --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:29:53 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? I once paid $100 for 1mg of the Sylacauga Hodges stone. On 8/10/10, Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca wrote: Good evening/morning all What is the most expensive meteorite per gram, to date? The Lunar Calcalong Creek? After that which ones are next in line? --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
Hi Anne and List, We are talking about the most expensive meteorites here, not the rarest. I have bought and sold both Lodran and Winona and their prices are nowhere near comparable to those of Lunaites in the last few years, especially with the release of more Winonites and Lodranites from NWA. I was only able to muster $500.00/gram for a gram-plus piece of Winona and only realized slightly more for Lodran. The price of Chassigny has dropped like a rock since the discovery of NWA 2737. Although there are more Lunars by number than Martian, the total available weight of Martian meteorites is much greater. Do not get me wrong, I appreciate all meteorites. I am just stating that there is much more excitment over a discovery of a new Lunar meteorite in NWA than any other type, even a possible Earth to Earth meteorite. The Moroccans know that they will get more for a new Lunaite than any other type and they are the number one suppliers in the world right now. I am quoting what the article in Smithsonian Magazine said,The most desirable meteorite is a dislodged piece of the Moon. Desirability translates into price per gram. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites!
Hi Ed and List, I don't think collectors are all nuts, just showing a passion for exceedingly interesting objects. The price of fine art has plummeted, more so than the price of housing or meteorites. There comes a point when the history of an object becomes over-hyped and cannot maintain its value long-term. Many large auction houses' reputations are not what they used to be, they got caught over hyping among other things. Meteorites are no different. I think a good history should increase the price, but not a 100 times like we often see in meteorites. This is precisely why I do not collect falls any more unless they fill a type gap in my collection. An ordinary chondrite with a great history may sell for over $1,000.00/gram but will not hold this value for very long. If two pieces come up for sale at the same time, the price will drop in half as the market is too thin to support these prices. Pricing of planetary pieces is not as vulnerable to hype and volume doesn't' seem to affect the pricing as much. They have maintained there value throughout this tough recession with some increasing in price as the supply thins out. One comment that Anne made bothers me: ** Yes, Martians and Lunars are still high priced now, but not at all as high as they were, and it is still a novelty thing. Some day people will realize that they are not rare any more. Just look at the Met Bulletin: *** My response is that Lunar and Martian meteorites are millions of times rarer than diamonds and are far more than just novelties. Ask any meteoritist and they will tell you the same. The price of planetary meteorites corrected four years ago in consideration of the additional weight being found. Even with this correction, they are still higher than any other type for the volume sold. They do not need history hype in order to increase the value which has been remarkably stable during a downturn in the economy. Imagine if a lunar meteorite was witnessed as a fall. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Auctions Ending Today and Personal Notes
Dear List Members, Please take a look at the auctions I have ending this afternoon if you want to secure rare and valuable pieces for your collection. I never run reserves and start most items out at just 99 cents incurring risks that are great. In most cases, this material has been selling seriously below my costs this summer. I run these auctions for three reasons. 1.) To recover a portion of the enormous investment I have into this avocation. 2.) To share my enthusiasm for these rare specimens with others 3.) I believe that the public has the right to share in these rarities These auctions have been taking up a lot of time and making it difficult for me to get in as much field time as I like. Once I reach my arbitrary goal of 20,000 specimens sold this fall, I will reevaluate my situation, probably step down and enjoy other aspects of this great hobby. I will then solicit the rest on my non-personal inventory for sale all at once or donation depending on an accountant's input. I will keep you informed. In the meantime, enjoy the many bargains that will be available over the next few months. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Some Planetary Highlights: Very nice .118 gram part slice of Martian meteorite DAG 476: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140433733033 Great .174 gram thinly cut part slice of Martian meteorite DAG 735: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140433733826 Awesome .132 gram thinly cut part slice of Martian meteorite Dhofar 019: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140433736303 Gorgeous .140 gram part slice of Lunar meteorite Dhofar908: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200502890765 Gorgeous .140 gram part slice of Lunar meteorite Dhofar911: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140433737986 Gorgeous .156 gram part slice of Lunar meteorite Dhofar1085: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140433738647 Largest Piece Left - .124 gram thinly cut part slice of Lunar meteorite NEA001: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140433741078 Largest Piece Left - .104 gram thinly cut and crusted part slice of Lunar meteorite NWA482: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200502893960 Large - .252 gram part slice of Martian meteorite NWA 1110 - ALMOST OUT!: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140433747224 Large Piece - .106 gram part slice of Martian meteorite NWA 1195: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200502897636 Ultra Rare Worth Over $900.00 - .376 gram lot of Martian meteorite NWA 2626: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200502899726 Crusted - .228 gram specimen of Lunar meteorite NWA 3163: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200502903457 Fresh - .164 gram specimen of Martian meteorite NWA 4468: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200502904286 Very Rare and Fantastic - .136 gram part slice of Lunar meteorite NWA 4884: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140433759447 MUST SEE!!! - .328 gram part slice of Legendary Lunar meteorite NWA 5000: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200502906945 Awesome - .192 gram part slice of Lunar meteorite NWA 5406: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140433760612 26 milligram fragment of signature Martian meteorite Shergotty: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200502907721 And too many other rare bargains to list can be found at this link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteori...@yahoo.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Laughlin, NV Crater?
Dear List, I observed what looks somewhat like a large impact crater surrounding me right here in sunny and friendly Laughlin, NV. I was checking out the Colorado River for the Rockin the River Regatta next weekend on Google Earth and noticed I live on the edge of a giant circular formation. Here is the Google Earth link: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=35.136363,-114.661624spn=0.059241,0.110378t=fz=13ecpose=35.133387,-114.66087323,12385.2,-11.663,1.617,0 Possibly, a hike is in order or it is just my imagination prompting me to challenge the hot weather. It has cooled down to around 116 degrees so maybe a backyard mountain hike is in order. I do not know what the circular structure is, my guess a natural formation not related to an impact. Maybe somebody with more knowledge of the geology in this area can clue me in. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Personal Notes
Thank You Richard and Other List Members, Collectors are the main reason I continued to offer auctions on eBay long after the losses started stacking up. Moving onto other aspects of the hobby will be helpful to me. It was never my intention to become a dealer. I collected and prepared specimens for years before ever offering them. It became very expensive, almost an addiction. In order to acquire new specimens, others had to be sold. I am not blaming anybody, the market will bear what they are really worth from a monetary standpoint, especially in a poor economy. The scientific value is still being realized. I enjoyed preparing the specimens and making them available to others who appreciated them. The costs keep increasing while the demand remains static even though supply has been reduced and there has been much publicity. After all, how important is it to purchase a meteorite when so many are in danger of losing their houses? I mainly deal in rare items, having to cut them into ever smaller pieces in order to make them affordable. In the process, the work load, cutting loss and costs have increased while the price per gram has dropped. It takes just as long to prepare a high priced auction as it does a couple of dollar one. I should easily reach my 20,000 item goal this fall. My current plan is to inventory what is left, make it available all at once, take my final loses and move on. If I manage to sell a key piece from my personal collection at a profit, then I will probably donate the rest of the sales inventory for a write off. I believe the prices will skyrocket once the economy recovers but I cannot wait any longer to get out into the field and make some cold discoveries. It is my strong belief that most federal and state land will be off limits in a short few years and I do not want to miss out. There has been far too much publicity that started out good and is now turning ugly. The truth is that I see the hunting part of this avocation coming to a close, the same way amateur treasure hunting went a few decades ago. I don't want to talk about the good old days, I want to live them. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Laughlin, NV Crater?
Thank You Richard, Nice resource and I learned something. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 8:54:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Laughlin, NV Crater? Hey Adam, The Geologic Map of Laughlin Area (2000 Faulds, House Ramelli) http://www.nbmg.unr.edu/dox/of006.pdf shows the structure as the Mirage Pluton. Not an impact structure. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sun, 8/8/10, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Laughlin, NV Crater? To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 8:22 PM Dear List, I observed what looks somewhat like a large impact crater surrounding me right here in sunny and friendly Laughlin, NV. I was checking out the Colorado River for the Rockin the River Regatta next weekend on Google Earth and noticed I live on the edge of a giant circular formation. Here is the Google Earth link: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=35.136363,-114.661624spn=0.059241,0.110378t=fz=13ecpose=35.133387,-114.66087323,12385.2,-11.663,1.617,0 Possibly, a hike is in order or it is just my imagination prompting me to challenge the hot weather. It has cooled down to around 116 degrees so maybe a backyard mountain hike is in order. I do not know what the circular structure is, my guess a natural formation not related to an impact. Maybe somebody with more knowledge of the geology in this area can clue me in. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Laughlin, NV Crater?
Now, that was worth a good laugh or should I say Laugh-lin! Yeh, all the billions he made one quarter at a time in the slot machines created the giant circle under the sheer weight. Take Care, Adam - Original Message From: Wayne Holmes holm...@frontiernet.net To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 10:17:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Laughlin, NV Crater? Adam This was caused when Don Laughlin opened the Riverside Resort. Wayne - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 8:22 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Laughlin, NV Crater? Dear List, I observed what looks somewhat like a large impact crater surrounding me right here in sunny and friendly Laughlin, NV. I was checking out the Colorado River for the Rockin the River Regatta next weekend on Google Earth and noticed I live on the edge of a giant circular formation. Here is the Google Earth link: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=35.136363,-114.661624spn=0.059241,0.110378t=fz=13ecpose=35.133387,-114.66087323,12385.2,-11.663,1.617,0 Possibly, a hike is in order or it is just my imagination prompting me to challenge the hot weather. It has cooled down to around 116 degrees so maybe a backyard mountain hike is in order. I do not know what the circular structure is, my guess a natural formation not related to an impact. Maybe somebody with more knowledge of the geology in this area can clue me in. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Quick Ebay Note - Leaving Town Until The 6th
Dear List Members, Just a quick note to let those who have purchased items from me on eBay and have not yet paid for them know that I will be leaving town tomorrow night and will return on August 6th. I will be able to ship items paid for by tomorrow morning. Any items paid for after this will be shipped when I return on the 6th so if you need these items before then, please pay as soon as possible. Thank You and Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Excellent Auctions Ending - NO RESERVES!
Dear List Members, I have 54 great auctions ending this evening, all started at just 99 cents with no reserve. The specimens are larger than I normally run so take a look if you are interested in some excellent bargains. I am having them ending Sunday instead of my normal Tuesday in order to allow for a few extra days so that I can get ready for trip. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteori...@yahoo.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King of Angrites for sale -...
Hi Jason and List, I do not refute Melinda Hutson's article that was never peer reviewed and contains several errors according to the classifying scientists. I asked scientists about the article and they stated, it is obvious that she didn't read the original peer reviewed abstract carefully, even mistaking the type of petrology that was discussed using formulas that simply do not apply to the texture NWA 2999 exhibits. There were several prestigious coauthors listed in the original paper; Unique Angrite NWA 2999: The Case For Samples From Mercury. Who am I to argue with the world's best? I will keep an open mind and hope for some ground truth that will hopefully settle it once and for all. I think the authors were making a point of having an open mind and that the subject should be debated possibly stimulated more scientific interest in Angrites. It took a long time to win over the scientific community that some of these meteorites were actually from Mars. It was debated to death and now nobody argues about the Shergottite parent body any more. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - 54 Auctiosn Ending Today - GREAT STUFF!
Dear List Members, I have 54 auctions ending this afternoon, all started at just 99 cents with no reserve. Please take a look if you have time as you will find several bargains. I also have a set ending Sunday. I will be traveling at the end of the month is the reason I have some auctions ending Sunday instead of next Tuesday. This gives me a few extra days to ship everything before I leave. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteori...@yahoo.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Be Careful - It is hot!
Dear List Members, For those who are thinking about hunting the Mojave this time of year, be prepared to hunt at night when it cools down to around 100 degrees. They never report accurate temperatures on the news here in the Summer because it is bad for tourism. There is only one temperature gauge that is not buried underground in the Laughlin/Bullhead City area and it read an astonishing 130 degrees yesterday at 1:30 pm, not even the hottest part of the day which is around 4:00 pm. The sign was in the shade so I can only imagine how hot it would be in the sun. My engine temperature gauge was registering 140 degrees before I even started the cold engine that had not been run since the day before! Image of sign I passed yesterday at 1:30 pm: http://themeteoritesite.com/130Degrees.jpg Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Be Careful - It is hot!
I know humidity makes a big difference. Luckily the humidity around here is usually in the single digits which is perfect for meteorite storage but when the monsoons hit this time of year, the humidity can suddenly jump up to around 50%. Add this to temperatures in excess of 120 degrees and it can become sweltering. This is the only time I see the local deserts rats ever sweat. The locals have adapted to these kind of temperatures and it does not seem to slow them down at all. They say it is all relative and that it is hard to tell the difference between 115 or 130 degrees once you get used to it. I see people barbecuing at the beaches, drinking beer and going about business as normal without cracking a sweat. I think the slight breezes wick of the perspiration. They do give heat advisories so that tourists don't die of heat stroke but they spend most of their time inside the air-conditioned casinos or are out cooling down in the Colorado river.Swimming pools are of very little comfort because it is like jumping into a hot-tub unless they are cooled down. Even my cold tap water is like taking a hot shower. The point is that, you should carry several gallons of water, have a working air conditioner in your vehicle and above all else be cautious when traveling the Mohave this time of year. The meteorites will still be there in the fall when it starts to cool down. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - 54 Auctions Ending - No Reserves!
Dear Meteorite List Members, If you have time, please take a look at the 54 auctions I have ending this afternoon. All were started at just 99 cents with no reserve. Many only have a starting bid or no bid at all so I am sure there will be plenty of bargains to be had. July is the month to get the very best prices. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteori...@yahoo.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD-Very Rare Items Ending Today At Fraction Of Value!
Dear List Members, Please be sure to check out the 18 very special auctions I have ending today and the 54 thatt are due to end tomorrow. I listed well over $10,000.00 worth of material and started all of the auctions out at just 99 cents with reserve. They are currently only bid up to a very small fraction of what they would realize elsewhere. Be sure to take a look since this will be the last time some of these items will ever be available. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Some Highlights: .554 gram slice of NWA 5000 Lunar - Worth Over $750.00 - Started at 99 Cents - NO RESERVE: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140420035210 .142 gram thinly slice of Lunar meteorite NWA 5406 - Started at Just 99 Cents - NO RESERVE: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200486733144 .994 thinly cut complete slice of Lunar meteorite Dhofar 908 Lunar Rosetta Worth Over $1,000.00 - Started at Just 99 Cents: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140421020821 Huge Rare Crusted NWA 1877 Olivine Diogenite Specimen- Started at Just 99 Cents: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200488012274 Largest Piece Left of NWA 2626 LOW TKW Martian - Started at Just 99 Cents: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140421022463 Rare and Largest Piece Left - .974 gram specimen of NWA 4590 Angrite: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200488014303 Worth Over $3,300.00 - Last Enigma Specimen Started at Just 99 Cents with NO RESERVE - The last, best and only complete slice left - I had four people interested in the slice but did not want to cut it so will take a chance and let the market decide. The rest has all been sold for between $250.00 and $300.00/gram: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200488016988 And Too Many to List Very Rare Classification Specimens Can Be Found At This Link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank You for looking and if you are bidding, Good Luck! Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Super Museum Quality Specimens
Dear List Members, Please take a look at some great auctions due to end in a few days after running for 30 days. Why wait for museum quality specimens to be listed in a major auction house at more than twice my asking price? I listed some extremely large and rare specimens. They are all priced very reasonably and the make offer option has been engaged. Do not be afraid to make a reasonable offer since I am motivated after a 30-day run time. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Some Planetary Highlights: Very nice .240 gram part slice of Martian meteorite Dhofar 019: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200466419900 Great .994 gram thinly cut part slice of Lunar meteorite Dhofar 908 (Rosetta version): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140403312839 Awesome 2.104 gram thinly cut complete slice of Lunar meteorite Dhofar 911: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200466422199 Largest Piece Left - Gorgeous .466 gram crusted part slice of Lunar meteorite NWA 482: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200466423427 Largest Piece Left - .246 gram thinly cut part slice of Martian meteorite NWA 1110: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200466426029 Rare and Largest Piece- 8.378 thinly cut complete slice of Martian meteorite NWA 1195: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200466427147 Fantastic - 5.364 gram part slice of Lunar meteorite NWA 3163: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200466429658 Must See - .Largest Piece Left 19.2 gram crusted part slice of Martian meteorite NWA 4468: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200466430752 Ultra Rare - 2.172 gram thinly cut complete slice of Lunar meteorite NWA 4884: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140403321919 Legendary - 1.478 gram part slice with metal of Lunar meteorite NWA 5000: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200466432738 Scarce - 8.656 gram thinly cut complete slice of Lunar meteorite NWA 5406: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140403323574 30 milligram fragment of signature Martian meteorite Shergotty: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140403324130 And Too Many to List Very Rare Classification Specimens Can Be Found At This Link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteori...@yahoo.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Alien Spirit
Dear List Members, I thought the below image might be interesting or somewhat entertaining to a few. Dr. Bunch took this image on a recent expedition here in Nevada along with several other great shots. This alien spirit was good luck as a new meteorite cold find was made the next day by my brother-in-law, his first meteorite find ever. I will post more images and a recount later on when I have more time. Click on this link to see our meteorite spirit guide acting as a sentinel over our two trucks: http://themeteoritesite.com/AlienSpirit.jpg Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Great Material Ending at Auction
Dear List Members, Thank you, once again, for the opportunity to advertise in this forum. This week, you will find that I started out all items that are ending today at just 99 cents with no reserve. There are excellent Lunar and Martian specimens listed with a compliment of some of the rarest types you will find on eBay. I added a few new selections as I run out of stock on others so you will always find something interesting every week until I run out. Please take a look if you have time. Be sure to check out the But-it-Now and Make Offer listings for larger specimens. All auctions can be found at this link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 Team LunarRock __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Our next major source of meteorites?
Dear List Members, Believe it or not, most Saharan meteorites are not found in the dunes. They are found in areas where other rocks are found. The nomads have already searched the accessible areas and have strayed off of the trails about as far as they can go, the limiting factor is how far from a source of water they can go. They can go much deeper into the desert than somebody with a 4 wheel drive vehicle unless a super expedition were to be put together with logistically placed supply drops. The Sahara is definitely close to being done. There will always be a few rare lucky finds to come out but only a mere fraction of what has already been produced. I think the Mojave Desert has barely been tapped, with most hunters concentrating on dry lake beds when there are far better places to look. I just returned from a successful mini-Mojave expedition driving over 700 miles and let me tell you, the Mojave is no where near searched. To reach some places places, we had to drive over 60 miles of dirt trails just to get to them. It was worth it having discovered a new cold meteorite find and some very interesting breccias. You know you are in the middle of nowhere when the last sign reads, no gas for 180 miles Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 10:15:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Our next major source of meteorites? Hi Pete, Yes, that is true. Dunes march and they cover up exposed meteorites and reveal meteorites that were buried. The problem is, the meteorites are being in harvested in numbers that greatly exceed the new fall rate. At some point, (and we are already seeing this), the numbers of recovered meteorites are going to decline. I fear that it won't be long before the law of diminishing returns rears it's ugly head. If one looks around the world and tries to find a region that duplicates the meteorite potential of the Saharan Desert, one has a hard time finding another source to match (or come close) to the Sahara. We have the Gobi in Mongolia and China, but don't expect the Chinese to be as lenient as the Moroccans. The Atacama has meteorites, but not on the same level as Morocco/Western Sahara. I think we are lucky to be collectors during these bountiful days of the Saharan Rush, but I really don't think there is another Morocco waiting in the wings. Best regards, MikeG On 5/10/10, Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com wrote: Greetings, List, Doesn't the Sahara sand continually drift, thereby revealing buried meteorites under previously searched desert areas? Cheers, Pete Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:48:19 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Our next major source of meteorites? Hi Melanie and List, Enjoy the Saharan bounty while it lasts. There will not be another Sahara. Geography and politics make Morocco unique for meteorites. Once the Sahara is depleted, this period of meteorite history will be...history. Best regards, MikeG On 5/10/10, Melanie Matthews wrote: Were abouts in the world could it be? The Atacama desert in Chile (where in some areas it never rains and hasn't rained for thousands of years)? I'm talking about when it gets to the point that so few can be found anymore the Sahara. --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ MSN Dating: Find someone special. Start now. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9729707 -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
Re: [meteorite-list] Discussions About Meteorite Collecting on BLM Land
Thanks Paul, I will have to read it more carefully when I return from the field on Monday. Apparently, there is not much case law judging from the lack of meteorite references, only two in California. It looks like none of the two cases made it to supreme court and basically the finders just gave up when confronted or the judgment was reversed if I read the excel sheet in regards to Younger v. Meade correctly. In any case, any meteorite laws will serve to undermine searching or reporting scientifically valuable finds. My guess is that the first North American Lunar will be found on private property or in a long-forgotten rock collection regardless of where it was found, especially if it was found in Oregon or Washington state. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands
The Smithsonian doesn't own all meteorites found on BLM land. The Antiquities law doesn't cover meteorites. The only reason the Old Woman was taken by the Smithsonian is because it exceeded the annual weight limit of 250 pounds for any mineral. The finders should have kept it secret, hacked off 25 pound pieces each for 8 days in a year to reach their combined 500 pound limit and then returned in subsequent years. The twisting of the old 1906 law to cover meteorites is grasping and would never stand up in federal court. Several politicians are avid rock hounds and would not stand for it. I am glad to live in Nevada instead of a state like Washington where I used to live who seem to have no problem violating personal rights by making such statements on their uniformed website. It seem un-American to me. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: David Norton renov8hot...@earthlink.net; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 6:47:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands The previous / current (AZ BLM website) allowed for non commercial collecting of 25 lbs per day and a 250 LB annual maximum. Well, the problem is that you have a statement like this: National parks and public lands generally prohibit removal of rocks from them -- and it's just not true. Well, people aren't allowed to rockhound in national parks, I'll grant them that, but they have other pages that state that rockhounding is clearly allowed on BLM land: http://www.blm.gov/or/programs/minerals/rockhounding.php So...the 25 lb per day/250 lb per year regulations are probably still in effect, since that page refers to older regulations in its references. This new posture very clearly states that National Parks and Public lands generally prohibit removal of rocks from them followed by Report illegal collecting or vandalism. Right, but take a look at what I said about those statements in my last message. It's debatable as to whether or not the 1906 antiquities act *could* apply to meteorites, since every reference it contains pertains to archaeological artifacts and sites. If you read the text of it, that much is clear. And note that every meteorite found on public land has been the property of the Smithsonian, again, since...well, since at least 1976 (Old Woman). If you're saying this policy is new, how did the Smithsonian manage to claim the Old Woman meteorite? What different law were they evoking, and if it was a different one (i.e. 'things have changed'), does it really matter, because even if there has been some sort of a policy change, if the end result is that the Smithsonian can claim finds...I see no difference. If, on the other hand, you're suggesting that their approach to regulating the collecting of meteorites from public lands has changed in that they are now stating that it is illegal, whereas before the meteorites found simply belonged to the Smithsonian...and somehow keeping and selling them for a commercial gain was considered legal...well, again -- I'll consider this a problem when I hear about someone getting arrested for collecting meteorites on public land. It's one thing to say something on a website, and it's another matter to make it active policy. National Parks have always been off limits, but not public lands in general. The website clearly characterizes all collecting on public lands as illegal. Again, take a look at the page for which I just included a link. Rock collecting in general is clearly allowed. Jason -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jason Utas Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 5:55 PM To: Meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands Hello David, All, I spent the weekend camping with some friends and somehow managed to get type-A strep. by the day we returned, so I'm just getting back into the swing of things. I have a few other emails to get back to, which I'll do in short order. This is nothing new, and has been the policy of the government/BLM with regards to meteorites for time indeterminate. It's why the Smithsonian was able to claim the Old Woman meteorite, but, to date, they haven't bothered to confiscate (m)any others, to my knowledge. The current wording of that BLM site is a little unsettling, though, because it states, To report illegal collecting or vandalism call... Even if meteorites found on BLM land belong to the Smithsonian, that shouldn't necessarily mean that collecting them is illegal. As has been noted in the past, the vast majority of meteorites found in the US are classified and named, and in most, if not all cases, it is no question as to who found or owns them. If the only thing keeping these meteorites from the Smithsonian is the fact that the Smithsonian
[meteorite-list] AD - Super Auctions Ending Today - MUST SEE!
Dear List Members, Please take a look at this week's auction, you will not be disappointed. I loaded extra large pieces of very rare material including large Lunar and Martian specimens and started them out at just 99 cents. I also loaded many world class specimens with the buy-it-now or make offer options enabled. This is a rare opportunity to pick up larger pieces before they are broken down. It is rare to see multi-gram planetary pieces listed on eBay. Many of the auctions do not have an opening bid yet so somebody is going to walk away with some true bargains this afternoon. Please take a look if you have time. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 Team LunarRock __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls
Hi Aziz and List, Attempting to figure out meteorite pricing is a difficult challenge. The very best you can do is follow trends. In the case of new falls, hype will increase prices only temporarily then they tend to plunge dramatically. I stopped trying to figure out the hammer stone thing a long time ago. I can not figure out why, New Orleans which penetrated a house top to bottom only sells for between $25.00 to $40.00/gram when there was only a single stone in which very little was released. Claxton which weighs much less than Peekskill and hit a smaller target is currently selling for less than this new fall which is just an ordinary although beautiful chondrite. Completely crusted Pultusk peas only sell for about $40.00/gram at most and offer significant historical value. Although Moroccan meteorite falls sell for much less, they are none the less rare. I have done much better investing in Moroccan falls than North American falls, neither of which I invest in anymore. I no longer chase falls and haven't for years. These days, I usually pick up a single specimen of each for my collection after the hype has died down. I have lost money on nearly every recent fall I have ever invested in by jumping in too soon. I learned the hard way. I find it much more enjoyable pursuing cold finds with hopes of nailing down the first North American Lunar. I guess if a fall were to hit here in Nevada, I might chase some of it down but would get out before things turned ugly. A lot of Nevadans love their guns and it is not uncommon at all to run into people in the field wearing them on the the hip, cocked and ready to rock. I hear people shooting off guns in the desert all of the time here in Laughlin, Nevada. Even the local preacher can be found plinking cans out in the desert a few blocks from my house. Luckily everybody I have run into out in the field here has been friendly so far. I think this would change if they ever felt they were being ripped off. I am surpised with all this talk of big money and meteorites, nobody has been shot yet although I have heard of a few close calls. The dollar cost averaging statement that was recently made makes no sense at all to me. When did meteorites become commodities? Dollar cost averaging down doesn't seem like a sound investment. From a collector's standpoint, I think showing some restraint and waiting is a better move than paying when the hype is maximum. If you think of meteorites as mere commodities, you are missing the real value. Sometimes, things are worth more than just the price tag somebody has arbitrarily attached to them and I am not talking about monetary value. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Lunar/Martian/Rare Items Ending at Auction
Dear List Members, Thank you, once again, for the opportunity to advertise in this forum. I returned the auctions to Tuesdays now that I am back from the field. This week, you will find that I started out all items at just 99 cents with no reserve. There are excellent Lunar and Martian specimens listed with a compliment of some of the rarest types you will find on eBay. I added a few new selections as I run out of stock on others so you will always find something interesting every week until I run out. Please take a look if you have time. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 Team LunarRock __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] World Record Moondust Images
Dear List, All of this talk (baloney) that we never visited the Moon reminded me of the tremendous Northwest Africa 5000 cutting loss. I thought a few of you might be interested in some images of a record amount of sterile Moondust. At over a pound (470 grams), it exceeds the weight of all the Luna missions combined which totaled 326 grams. Now, what to do with all of it. World Record Images Image a: http://themeteoritesite.com/DUST-a.jpg Image b: http://themeteoritesite.com/DUST-b.jpg Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA Meteorites
Only a trickle is coming out these days. The sharp decline started over three years ago. Many Moroccans who used to deal meteorites have now gone back to their old jobs since there is no longer enough to support the trade. Others have raised their wholesale prices beyond retail of a few years ago. The Saharan gold rush days are definitely over with only a handful of wholesale suppliers left. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 10:19:44 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA Meteorites List: Is it me or does it seem the number of NWA meteorites available is dropping? Greg S. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moo-n Made From WI Cheese?
I don't think that was a lama at all. It looks like a well-known meteorite hunter and camera ham incognito to me. I can tell by the bad toupee, lamb-chop sideburns, goatee and Billy-Bob teeth; take them away and you he still looks the same; pretty clever but no cigar! The only thing missing is the mullet haircut. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 10:52:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Moo-n Made From WI Cheese? Dear List Members, Thought I would take a little break from playing email catch-up. Here are a couple of humorous photos from my Wisconsin meteorite hunt: Wisconsin Cheese? Cow #2995 from the fertile hunting grounds (reminded me of [NWA] 2995, the lunar meteorite). http://www.lunarrock.com/wisconsinmeteorite/moo-n.jpg Got Meteorites? In this cow pasture, as Bob King mentioned on his blog, these cows were particularly interested in our wandering about in their turf. http://www.lunarrock.com/wisconsinmeteorite/GotMeteorites.jpg Curious Cows! Michael Cottingham photographing his first Wisconsin meteorite find with a couple of very curious cows. Just seconds after this image was taken, one of the cows licked his hand almost taking the meteorite! http://www.lunarrock.com/wisconsinmeteorite/CuriousCows.jpg Molly the 'Meteorite Finding Lama' of Wisconsin, or at least a group of us were hoping... http://www.lunarrock.com/wisconsinmeteorite/Lama.jpg Horse pasture where I found my one 33.7g find. http://www.lunarrock.com/wisconsinmeteorite/HorsePasture.jpg It was a great pleasure to meet up with old and new friends in the pursuit of the newest of meteorites on planet Earth. I was able to meet people in person who I have only communicated with over the Internet or have never had the privilege to talk to. I have learned a lot from these dedicated individuals in the pursuit of these celestial messengers. After reading much of the emails posted to the List over the last week, I realize that unfortunately I did not run into quite a few people. I am very happy to have met, hunted and talked to everyone I encountered during this hunt, what a rush! Looking at the horses munching on the grass reminds me that I need to go mow the lawn after nearly a month on the road hunting different locations. Thank You, once again to the friendly folks of Wisconsin and the dedicated meteorite people who contributed data to make the hunt a success!!! Enjoy! Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Check Out These Great Auctions
Dear List Members, I have many excellent auctions ending this afternoon instead of my normal Tuesday. Several specimens are the last I have in inventory. You will also find several thousand dollars worth of planetary and rare material in true auction format with no reserve. You may be able to pick up some great bargains since most expect these auctions to end tomorrow and there are a lot of collectors in the field chasing the new fall that will not be bidding against you. All of today's auctions were started at just 99 cents and some do not have any bids. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ I will resume my normal Tuesday auctions starting next week when I return from the field. Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, __ Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteori...@yahoo.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] First recovered meteorite from the April 14, 2010 Wisconsin fireball.
Excellent work! What took so long? Just kidding. Just got back from the field tonight and getting ready to go out for several more days, read this post and was impressed at the efficiency. Unfortunately, I will be working a completely different unannounced strewn field. Now that the most prestigious goal of finding the first meteorite of the fall has been accomplished, it is time to nail the main mass! My wild guess is that it will weigh 8 kilos and be found at one end of a 20 mile long strewn field. I am basing this guess on the slow velocity and multiple break ups so larger pieces may have survived. It will be interesting to see what happens. Hunters, Start Your Engines, The Amazing Race Is On! Wishing all success, Adam - Original Message From: Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 9:46:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] First recovered meteorite from the April 14, 2010 Wisconsin fireball. http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_14_2010_meteorite_fall.html --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD-Auctions Ending Today Instead Of Tuesday
Dear List Members, I have many excellent auctions ending this afternoon instead of my normal Tuesday. You may be able to pick up some great bargains since most expect these auctions to end tomorrow. All of today's auctions were started at just 99 cents and many only have opening bids. I plan on heading to the field later this week and next week to do some long overdue meteorite hunting. Next weeks auctions will also end on a Monday for the same reason. This gives me an extra day in the field each week and keeps my shipping in sync for those who pay fairly quick. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, __ Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteori...@yahoo.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chinese return from Antarctica with 1, 618 meteorites
That means the average sized meteorite/fragment found at the Grove Mountain, Antarctica site weighs only 10.5 grams. I think if we counted every fragment from the hot deserts, the recovery number would be near 500,000 by now. I have over 15,000 individuals/fragments in my inventory alone weighing just over 200 kilograms averaging about 13.3 grams each. Interesting, Adam - Original Message From: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, April 10, 2010 3:21:21 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Chinese return from Antarctica with 1, 618 meteorites Dear List, More news: the Grove Mountains area teams collected 1,618 meteorites, weighing 17 kg. So far, China has a number of Antarctic meteorites totaling 11,452, ranking third in the world after the Japanese and Americans http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/04/chinese-antarctica-study-returns.html Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New American Lunar on ebay
Wow, I better break out the checkbook. It sounds like this guy knows what he is talking about. It is like all of the other strange multimillion dollar offerings on eBay lately. I noticed that none of these fake stones look like Dimmitt or any other ordinary chondrite, only high-priced pieces. Just like I suspected, the guy who I returned the 4 million pairing to Sonny's stone is not pleased with me. He still holds onto the hope that it is exactly like the one on TV and claims it even smells the same even though he has never smelt Sonny's stone. He claims I kept a piece for myself since the weight is different after I returned it and he will be watching my auctions to make sure I don't sell any of it. I think the tar ball may have dried out a little during transit. It would not surprise me at all to see it on eBay. My advice is stay away from these people and do not encourage them. They having been coming out of the woodwork like mad lately. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 3:19:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New American Lunar on ebay Supposedly paired with NWA 5000, and only with an opening bid of $63, from a seller with no feedback. http://tinyurl.com/y78u2cr By the looks of the additional material in the background of the photo, this is but the first slice to be offered. Ugh -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New American Lunar on ebay
I should be pleased that his price per gram is highest on the NWA 5000 pairing. He only rates his NWA 998 pairing at $1,000.00/gram. With this guy's fantastic run of luck, he should soon have a pairing to ALH84001. I can hardly wait, Adam - Original Message From: Norbert Classen riffr...@timewarp.de To: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com; meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 4:28:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New American Lunar on ebay Richard All, He also has a nakhlite for sale: http://cgi.ebay.com/UNCO-Martian-SNC-Nakhlite_W0QQitemZ120552014460 And a new chassignite too: http://cgi.ebay.com/UNCO-Martian-Dunite_W0QQitemZ120553654157 Go figure! Take care, Norbert Classen President IMCA Inc. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Supposedly paired with NWA 5000, and only with an opening bid of $63, from a seller with no feedback. http://tinyurl.com/y78u2cr By the looks of the additional material in the background of the photo, this is but the first slice to be offered. Ugh -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 5405 Images - Check Them Out
Dear List, My brother, Greg wanted me to post these images of NWA 5405, a spectacular Johnstown-like Diogenite. NWA 5405 Links to images: http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5405a.jpg http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5405b.jpg Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Respectable Selection Ending At Auction
Dear List Members, I have a lot of great material due to end at auction this afternoon. You will find a respectable selection of planetary, rare achondrites and chondrites started at just 99 cents with no reserve. You may want to take advantage of some of these bargains while they still exist as I am running out of certain types on a weekly basis. Once they are gone, I have no way of replacing them. There are not too many dealers left offering true auction style listings on pieces that are worth several hundred dollars each because they can only afford to take losses for so long. Please note that I always run several grams in total of planetary material every week and start them at just 99 cents regardless of whether I show a profit or not. I let the market decide the price in most cases but cannot guarantee I will have this material in stock for much longer. Please take a look if you are interested in saving some of your hard earned money. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, __ Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteori...@yahoo.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Earthquake SD
Dear List, I felt yesterdays earthquake up here in Laughlin, Nevada although I was not sure at the time. I was sitting outside next to a swimming pool on a plastic chair on a concrete slab enjoying Easter with some friends when it hit. It felt like the chair was swaying back and forth beneath me. It lasted so long that I thought I must be imagining it or that the wind was buffeting me. I even looked down to see what was going on with the concrete slab. Nobody else said anything when it stopped so I thought that maybe my equilibrium was a little off from attending the Blues and Brews festival the night before. Although it was nothing like the 2001 Nisqually Quake in Washington State that I experienced, it was a little unsettling to my stomach as Michael Blood described. I did not think to look at the water in the swimming pool to see what it was doing but it probably would not have mattered since it was windy out. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] My new Lunar !
Must be an April Fools day joke. There is a Eucritic clast at the top. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Marcin Cimala - PolandMET mar...@meteoryt.net To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 5:15:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] My new Lunar ! Hi I think I have new Lunar. http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/P0023026.JPG Happy Holidays :D -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Latest Nevada Find, Not
Dear List, The four million dollar meteorite showed up that I mentioned yesterday. The sad thing is that these people actually convince themselves that these are real meteorites and that they are worth millions. This guy thinks his is exactly like Sonny's find that he saw on TV, only bigger. He says that he did his research, went to the neighborhood and found it, figuring a professional must have missed it. He wrote to me that he sealed it in a coffee can and smelled it a couple of days later. He stated that he could detect the unmistakable smell of Murchinson that only carbon type meteorites give off. I believe this object is made out of tar and that is what he is smelling or he has been sniffing the sauce (drinking too much alcohol). Either way, this is another heartbreak in the making. Now, I have the unpleasant task of returning it to him with the bad news that he is not the latest millionaire and that the funds for his granddaughter's medical bills will have to come from somewhere else.. Here are some images for those who may be interested: Link one: http://themeteoritesite.com/NevadaMeteorite-a.jpg Link two: http://themeteoritesite.com/NevadaMeteorite-b.jpg Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Latest Nevada Find, Not
Yes, it would be funny but this kind of person will rarely take no for an answer. It would not be surprised at all to see it on eBay half priced at two million dollars after I return it. I can imagine the description now: FOR SALE: Qty one spent comet, complete with degassed chamber. Be the only person on Earth, the only planet that serves beer, to own one. Be the envy of every planetary scientist in the world. Free shipping. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Lunar, Martian, Achondrites and Chondrites
Dear List Members, I have a lot of great material due to end at auction this afternoon. You will find a great selection of Lunar, Martian, Achondrites and Chondrites started at just 99 cents! This week's specimens are a bit larger than I normally run so a cursory look is definitely in order. There are still a few Buy-it-Now type listings for those looking for a bargain and do not want to wait for an auction to end. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, __ Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteori...@yahoo.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION: Scientists and Researchers Who Classify Meteorites.. Urgent
I already addressed this in a old article for IMCA insights. Try this link: http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_wrapperItemid=73 Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-like rock strikes near Rist Canyon home
I like how the woman commented that maybe if they pick it up, there might be a million under there. If it were to be a blueberry sandwhich from Mars, then maybe she would be correct. Speaking of million dollar meteorites, I have some fellow from Nevada insisting on mailing me one that he found last month. I told him not to bother but he sent it anyway after getting my address from buying a piece from me on eBay. It looks just like the black one he saw on TV but much, much bigger therefor more valuable. He figures, it is worth at least four million judging from the size but will let me have it for a mere two million if I do not return it within two weeks. I will take pictures of it when it arrives and immediately send it back registered mail. This fellow believes it is a gift from the heavens that will pay his granddaughter's medical bills. I have told him repeatedly not to get his hopes up and take it to a university for study. The last thing I want is people sending me unsolicited pieces after getting my address from an eBay transaction. I actually feel sorry for this poor fellow. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Treasure Hunter Code of Ethics
Dear List Members, One of the reasons Meteor Crater was closed to hunting was due to a few meteorite hunters disrespecting land owners wishes. Holes and excavations were left behind without being back-filled and I read that a steer was injured. The BAR T ranch complained that cattle gates were being left open and trash left behind. ...and you wonder why it is now off limits. If meteorite hunting is going to be portrayed as a form of treasure hunting on TV, then maybe the treasure hunter's Code of Ethics should be brought up. It may help to preserve a portion of this hobby which is in grave danger right now. A disturbing recent development is that two states felt the need to protect federal lands from meteorite hunting even though none have been found on federal land in these two states as far as I can tell. What prompted this? You publicly treat meteorites like treasure and so will state and federal governments. You attach mega dollar price tags and you sometimes garner the wrong attention. Everything you say or do has a backlash that needs to be considered. What is good for TV ratings may not be good for the hobby. Treasure Hunters have been around for a long time and learned their lessons the hard way. Perhaps, we could learn something from them. Here is a link to a good interpretation of the Treasure Hunters Code of Ethics: http://www.threeforkstreasurehunters.org/ethicscode.html Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
A lot of viewers are clinging to the hope they will become overnight millionaires. Most of them will not listen when you tell them their prized new Moon rock is a piece of quartz or their new Pallasite is nothing more then slag. They will become increasingly angry when you try to explain why. They know it is real because it looks just like the one they saw on TV and will not be told otherwise. I do not even respond any more as I do not like to be put in a position as the bay guy who has to break the news that their worthless rock will not make them the latest millionaire. This is what happens when the media focuses too much on the monetary aspect of meteorite collecting. It out weighs any educational benefit this type of show may have provided. The state Washington and Oregon suddenly announced their no collecting policy on federal land; the timing is uncanny. A lot of scam artists will also attach themselves if the smell of easy money is present. One just has to look at the most expensive meteorites on eBay to see this effect. Now, there is always a few fakes listed in the top dollar page. I would hate to see meteorite hunting/collecting go the way treasure hunting did 25 years ago when the avocation almost went extinct, mainly due to the press. Professional treasure hunters now avoid the press when values are put up. Just look at the Mel Fisher group who had to fight for a decade to keep a good portion of their major find due to the fact the press attached a billion dollar price tag to it. Everybody seemed to have a claim on it when they didn't lift a finger to find it. The press made it look easy when in fact Mel suffered many hardships including the loss of his sons life. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: mich...@rocksfromspace.org mich...@rocksfromspace.org To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 6:20:26 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010 http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_22_2010.html --- Thumbed On My BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
, and they will also weed themselves out. The Meteorite Men show has also grown the collector base! Lest we forget. More collectors divided by same amount of material for collecting, creates higher demand equals market growth. Some people don't want to see this growth as the believe it will undermine the science, but I believe it will be an ultimate boon to science by interesting more people about meteorites, and the knowledge one can learn. It's hard to say how many people will be motivated to become next generation scientists, but the simple fact is MILLIONS of people now have a chance to own a meteorite and they are becoming more interested in the science. Regardless of how you feel about the Meteorite Men show, I think this will be a positive thing in the future. People are becoming more aware of their world, the science, and the adventure. If people can make a living doing it too, then I say go for it! Keep in mind there are lots of kids and young adults that watch too, they are in school and will be motivated to become meteoriticists, astronomers, astrobiologists, or even astronauts. They could become the next generation engineers which launch toward a manned asteroid discovery team which may land a human being on an asteroid! Manned space flights to a nearby comet anyone? I say yell it from the rooftops! Stream live video around the world. Let everyone know about meteorites, and the wonders they bring to human kind! Oh yeah, meteorites are cool... ;) Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA On 3/22/2010 9:59 AM, Adam Hupe wrote: A lot of viewers are clinging to the hope they will become overnight millionaires. Most of them will not listen when you tell them their prized new Moon rock is a piece of quartz or their new Pallasite is nothing more then slag. They will become increasingly angry when you try to explain why. They know it is real because it looks just like the one they saw on TV and will not be told otherwise. I do not even respond any more as I do not like to be put in a position as the bay guy who has to break the news that their worthless rock will not make them the latest millionaire. This is what happens when the media focuses too much on the monetary aspect of meteorite collecting. It out weighs any educational benefit this type of show may have provided. The state Washington and Oregon suddenly announced their no collecting policy on federal land; the timing is uncanny. A lot of scam artists will also attach themselves if the smell of easy money is present. One just has to look at the most expensive meteorites on eBay to see this effect. Now, there is always a few fakes listed in the top dollar page. I would hate to see meteorite hunting/collecting go the way treasure hunting did 25 years ago when the avocation almost went extinct, mainly due to the press. Professional treasure hunters now avoid the press when values are put up. Just look at the Mel Fisher group who had to fight for a decade to keep a good portion of their major find due to the fact the press attached a billion dollar price tag to it. Everybody seemed to have a claim on it when they didn't lift a finger to find it. The press made it look easy when in fact Mel suffered many hardships including the loss of his sons life. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: mich...@rocksfromspace.orgmich...@rocksfromspace.org To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 6:20:26 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010 http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_22_2010.html --- Thumbed On My BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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