[meteorite-list] Future flights into space, grateful
I know every one on this list has pondered the "thermal effects" and also the shear impact of coming back through the atmosphere not to mention the tangible evidence i.e. meteorites and what happens to solid iron ect.So I think the following is relative to the list, I read an article recently where an argument was made that "the space shuttle missions weren't really doing enough science to justify human sacrifice". "They were basically just going up and down" I believe there is some truth this. I think there is alot of frustration within us all of not being able to get the space program moving faster I personally would really like to see us going to the moon even mars or then mars They say there's no logical reason for a man to go there but, we are human after all and must follow the frontier its are nature ands it how we survive both socially and ecomicly. So here's my point , some day my friends we go to space and some day we come home and as we are traveling back through the atmosphere I will be so grateful to ones went through first The ones as they said in the article "they just went up and down" the ones I say did ultimate experiment, the ultimate science the science of returning to earth and by their sacrifice we will learn and what we learn will provide safe passage for us, the travelers of the future . Thanks John
Re: [meteorite-list] this made my day
M Yousef Hey that's Mylonite I bet you live near a fault line Thanks John M Yousef wrote: > I posted a message but it seems that it did not get through. If you have > received it or will later, I appologize for the duplicate. > > Please see this new breccia: > > http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pl6/ > > _ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Back from the hunt!
Wow What an adventure I had! Here's the short of it, got there late had to rush around, got set up to stay in a mobile home at a friends about an hour after he went to bed our AC went out, it was 100o all night. Next day started hunting and got accused of dumping a pile trash by some locals then the police came we had to prove our innocence or we were going to have to clean it up(we saw a black trash bag and so we drove are truck up to the pile to see if it was a meteorite, Yeah right sure you did.) after this my friend wanted to give up, he said I could borrow his old stand by Datsun pick up, so I went and got a room and drove back out to the another area to hunt, found about 5 specimens in about 3 hours then back to my room , got a message had to return immediately, went back to my friends to return the truck got pulled over by the CHP seems the truck hadn't been registered for a while so they decided to have it towed, they asked me to take my personal belongings so I took the samples, they were in a empty 12pk beer box Well actually there were 2 beers still in it TOO many for the CHP and another brief incident ensued, until I was finally walking down the road in about 115o heat with my beer box full of samples I kept 3 here they are , I haven't even washed the dirt off of them I did cut a piece off 1, They weigh about 2lbs 1lbs and about a half a lb respectively I want opinions on what I should do with them and how much they are worth as is Thanks John http://findalltrades.com/eastbay/Webstreetshopper/meteorite%20pics/hunt1.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Will space cities get pelted ?]
Original Message Subject: Re: Will space cities get pelted ? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:36:30 -0700 From: "Alan Rubin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: UCLA To: "John Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> NASA put a satellite in orbit called the Long-Duration Exposure Facitility (LDEF) to see how many impacts it experienced. It experienced a lot of micrometeorite impacts during the 13 or so months it was in space. Shielding could protect a space habitat from that, but the Earth's atmosphere also protects us against much bigger rocks; many break apart in the atmosphere and many slow down due to ablation and atmospheric drag. A space city could only rely on shielding to protect it. It would indeed be a formidable problem. Alan Rubin - Original Message - From: John Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Alan Rubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:20 AM Subject: Will space cities get pelted ? > I believe that some day people will move to a "space satellite" type > city.(say the satellite has a surface area of approx. 1 sq. mile and it > was in orbit around earth) would you expect that meteorite impacts > would be problematic? I was thinking even one the size of a golf ball > traveling at around 20k miles per hr and if it hits something > weightless would that be catastrophic? > Thanks for your help > John > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid Scare
Does any one have any idea if you would get pelted a lot if you lived in a giant space city? (1x1 mile) Orbiting around earth Thanks John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings I'm just another citizen who loves meteorites, only have a small Odessa but one day I'll find another. My post about the asteroid impact was just an observation that I've noticed since more and more "near misses" have been reported in the media. I too find it a bit disturbing when media outlets sensationalize such events, but as I said it's better to be safe than sorry and really in today's world I don't think an asteroid scare matters much to most common people. They need sensational artistic interpreted animations of giant fireballs destroying cities in order to fully understand the seriousness of the issue. That's why I say we need more education out there about asteroids and comets. Granted we should be careful about crying wolf one to many times but that wasn't the case this time. This thing was found three days after closest approach? Who knew? Hopefully we all will the next time it happens preferably before it happens. Thanks all, Ron
Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid Scare
Does any one know what chances you would have of being pelted if you lived in a giant space city ? Would it be an on going threat like a ship navigating through ice bergs Thanks John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings I'm just another citizen who loves meteorites, only have a small Odessa but one day I'll find another. My post about the asteroid impact was just an observation that I've noticed since more and more "near misses" have been reported in the media. I too find it a bit disturbing when media outlets sensationalize such events, but as I said it's better to be safe than sorry and really in today's world I don't think an asteroid scare matters much to most common people. They need sensational artistic interpreted animations of giant fireballs destroying cities in order to fully understand the seriousness of the issue. That's why I say we need more education out there about asteroids and comets. Granted we should be careful about crying wolf one to many times but that wasn't the case this time. This thing was found three days after closest approach? Who knew? Hopefully we all will the next time it happens preferably before it happens. Thanks all, Ron
Re: [meteorite-list] Daytime firebal just observed from SoCal
Mark what happened was I looked up in the sky I saw a quick, if you hold your thumb up to the sky the tail was about as long as the width as your thumb nail in less than 1 second there was no fire ball just a quick spark that was in the sky at about 11 o'clock 9 being on the horizon 12 straight up or maybe 45-50 degrees Then about 3 seconds later I heard the wind chopping sound I don't think I would of heard it if it was over 500 ft altitude? it was a very soft sound actually a purring I looked I remember some shadow going over me, but it was going so fast from the time I first heard the sound 'til the time I couldn't hear it any more was about 2 seconds One time I figured it out with a ruler and a piece of paper I made a horizontal line then I made a dot at 1 in above the line then I put my ruler across the dot at the same angle I recalled. The result was that it only went 5 x further than the height at 50o and about 8x at 45o so if 1in equaled 500ft It might be laying between 1/2 to 2/3 of a mile away Also I waited and listened for it to land I didn't hear anything I am sure that this is not exactly accuarate of course, but I might be close who knows Here's what I was saying because of the shape? it didn't get up to enough speed to burn up or blow up and the shape would also be responsible for the motor like wind chopping sound? Thanks John Mark Fox wrote: > May 5, 2002 > > Greetings Mr. John Reed and Fellow Meteorite > Enthusiasts! > > Strange meteor report! The sound observed seems > suspiciously connected with the original (or current) > shape of the meteorite. I was going to suggest the > sounds could have been "electrophonic" in origin, but > since you clearly stated that you heard them "after" > the appearance of the meteor and not during the > display, that almost certainly eliminates that > possibility. > > >From what you have described, perhaps it was pretty > close, but still probably a good number of miles away. > To judge it to be an iron, on the basis of a lack of > fragmentation is not compelling enough evidence, I'm > afraid. If I remember correctly, only one of every > two stone meteorites are said to fragment. > > Please, describe the brightness of the meteor as that > may help readers get a better picture of the likely > size of what you saw. > > Long strewn fields! > > Mark Fox > Newaygo, MI USA > > --- John Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Here's interesting meteorite experience that > > happened when I lived > > > in Palm Springs CA some years ago I went out in > > my backyard one night, it > > > was > > > the middle of the night , I noticed a shooting > > star at about 11 o'clock in > > > the > > > sky. 12 being straight up, it was fast with a > > short tail all over in > > > about 2 > > > seconds then maybe 3 seconds later the sound of > > like a propeller chopping > > > the > > > wind came over the top of my head (I am going to > > guess 150-200 ft)all in > > > about > > > a 10th of a second and it was literally humming > > like a motor The general > > > direction it was travailing is 85% open desert > > for about 15 miles That > > > was > > > about 1986 At the time I figured meteorites were > > fairly common occurrence > > > so I > > > never thought more about it > > > This fall I am going to look for that meteorite I > > know what direction it > > > was > > > traveling and also the angle I am not sure how > > high it was all though I > > > heard > > > it, but out in the desert it very quite in the > > middle of the night . I > > > looked > > > in the sky I think I remember some shadowy > > something anyway Here's what I > > > thought > > > since it didn't explode it is probably an iron > > however it has to be a > > > strange > > > shape to chop the wind the way it was So if it was > > a stone then it might > > > mean > > > that depending on the shape of a object entering > > the atmosphere the object > > > > > > would or would not pick up enough speed to burn > > up? Also how much further > > > do > > > think it may have gone? > > > Thanks John > > > > > > __ > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Daytime firebal just observed from SoCal
"Matson, Robert" wrote: > Hi All, > > Bright white daytime fireball just observed from Seal Beach, CA at > 7:15:30pm PDT, starting about 18 degrees above the north-northwest > horizon and terminating about 10 degrees above the horizon. Direction > of travel was roughly toward 7 o'clock in horizon coordinates (6 o'clock > being straight down toward the horizon). No fragmentation was observed. > Magnitude approximately -8, and angular velocity was pretty slow. Exact > azimuth can be reconstructed (once it gets dark enough for stellar > references). Did anyone else in the southern California area observe > it? --Rob > > Here's interesting meteorite experience that happened when I lived > in Palm Springs CA some years ago I went out in my backyard one night, it > was > the middle of the night , I noticed a shooting star at about 11 o'clock in > the > sky. 12 being straight up, it was fast with a short tail all over in > about 2 > seconds then maybe 3 seconds later the sound of like a propeller chopping > the > wind came over the top of my head (I am going to guess 150-200 ft)all in > about > a 10th of a second and it was literally humming like a motor The general > direction it was travailing is 85% open desert for about 15 miles That > was > about 1986 At the time I figured meteorites were fairly common occurrence > so I > never thought more about it > This fall I am going to look for that meteorite I know what direction it > was > traveling and also the angle I am not sure how high it was all though I > heard > it, but out in the desert it very quite in the middle of the night . I > looked > in the sky I think I remember some shadowy something anyway Here's what I > thought > since it didn't explode it is probably an iron however it has to be a > strange > shape to chop the wind the way it was So if it was a stone then it might > mean > that depending on the shape of a object entering the atmosphere the object > > would or would not pick up enough speed to burn up? Also how much further > do > think it may have gone? > Thanks John > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Some Mars Researchers See Life in Planet's Dunes
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/mars_blotches_020130.html Title: Some Mars Researchers See Life in Planet's Dunes A Hungarian research team claims that Martian organisms dot certain areas of the Red Planet. Calling the intriguing blemishes "dark dune spots", the scientists argue that these changing features are "probable Martian surface organisms." Their evidence is based on studies of imagery snapped by NASA's Mars Global Surveyor (MGS), a spacecraft now orbiting that planet. However, this is at odds with the published conclusions of the MGS team, and at least one leading Mars researcher and astrobiology expert deems the life-form assertion "premature". This is also not the first time that images of Martian surface features from MGS have sparked the life debate. One region of Mars has been picked by the Hungarian team as a "test field" for the dark dune spots, with sets of Mars Global Surveyor pictures of the selected landscape analyzed. That study area is a rectilinear ridged landform known as "Inca City", an informal name ascribed to the terrain from Mariner 9 images taken in the early 1970s. Using the MGS pictures, the shape, pattern changes, fading and reappearance of the spots were catalogued. The Hungarian Mars analysts contend that the changes support a biological link to the alternations over a geological interpretation. Constellation of patches Team member, Eors Szathmary, a permanent fellow at the Institute for Advanced Study in Budapest, Hungary told SPACE.com that the Mars biology viewpoints are to be presented in several papers at the upcoming 33rd Lunar and Planetary Science Conference. That meeting is to be held by the Lunar and Planetary Institute this coming March in Houston, Texas. Their assessments utilize MGS photos clicked from 1999 to 2001, from winter to summer of the southern hemisphere. Also used to help probe the dark dune area was information gleaned by a laser-scanning device toted by the MGS. That instrument yielded height information about the terrain, helping to discern various Sun illuminations that strike the area over periods of time. Szathmary and his colleagues observed seasonal changes -- from early spring till early summer -- of the dark dune spots on frosted and defrosted Martian dunes. Each spring, they report, "gray fuzzy spots" appear in the bottom of the ice cover. By the middle of the first half of spring, these spots become darker, are bounded, and grow in size. By early summer defrosting, the naked dark soil of the dune is visible, and surrounded by a lighter ring. Year by year, the dark dune spots "renew" on the same place with almost the same configuration, or "constellation" of patches. This repeat action, the team asserts, strengthens their suggestion of fixed, biological causes of spot formation. Szathmary and others on the study group believe biology is at work on Mars. "We interpret the sequence of dark dune spot formation and changes as a result of probable Martian surface organisms," they report. The Martian organisms "survive below the surface ice, sunlight heats them up and they generate their living conditions." Premature interpretation? The Hungarian researchers concede, however, that other Mars researchers don't share a biological interpretation of the spots. That's the case for Bruce Jakosky, a Mars researcher at the University of Colorado in Boulder. He also heads the university's Center for Astrobiology. "Given our understanding of Mars volatile- and dust-related processes, it seems premature to attribute the characteristics that they identify to biological activity when other, simpler processes have not been ruled out," Jakosky told SPACE.com. "In evaluating competing hypotheses, it is important to ask which is the most plausible by virtue of relying on well-understood processes that are likely to be occurring on Mars. It would be inadequate, for example, to treat all hypotheses that have not yet been absolutely ruled out as being of equal likelihood," Jakosky said. Mars experts Mike Malin and Ken Edgett of Malin Space Science Systems in San Diego, California have also eyed the features. They report that straightforward defrosting of the Martian ice cover is responsible for the origin and development of the spots. But the Hungarian team counters this view. After studying several thousand such spots, defrosting processes cannot be the sole explanation for the splotches in question, they say. More information needed Taking a measured, but too-early-to-tell attitude about the features is James Garvin, Mars Exploration Program Scientist at NASA Headquarters in Washington, D.C. Garvin said that there are many physically plausible ways to generate the features that the Hungarian researchers are studying. Many of those ways are associated with the thermodynamics of materials at places on Mars where detailed measurements of the associated micro-environments are lacking. "The dark spots on the polar dunes that are disc
[meteorite-list] Hey this reminids me of a dinosuar
Scientists create pre plucked pink chicken This is releated to a ferocious dinosaur?? http://www.thisislondon.com/dynamic/news/story.html?in_review_id=590366&in_review_text_id=558671 Thanks John
[meteorite-list] Large dinosuar therorists
Large Dinosaurs The other day I was planting some plants and I thought, What element in this crazy universe would it take to really jack up the growth rate in these plants? I mean a Jack and the bean stalk sort of thing and I remembered that up in Alaska there's a place I can't remember the name? Where the vegetables grow like 10 times there normal rate, cabbages weigh around 300 lb. for example The reason, 20 or so hours of sunlight per day during the peak growing season The reason these plants in Alaska get so big it seems? is the hours per day of sunlight because over all the plants receive less sunlight then plants growing lower in the hemisphere because of the shorter growing season I believe the plants must get some kind of second wind So then you guys were writing in about big dinos came in with a bang like a jack and the bean stalk story in relative terms So are any of these ideas possible? 1 An impact slowed the earth down making the days, and nights for that matter, longer 2 An impact tipped the earth some how towards the sun and therefore there were more hours of sunlight shinning on majority of the population of dino's How about this also, The impact acted as a fertilizer pellet and released sulfur? or nitrogen? iron ? and it had the same reaction as when you fertilize your lawn? everything turned lush Thanks John
Re: [meteorite-list] Classic eBay M-Wrong
Ken , I think your making to big a deal out of this. Any serious person will check them out before spending a sizable amount of money You spent 40.00 on a phony but, look what it got you your now an expert on the whole subject You know what they say about guilt or innocence in the criminal justice system " Its better that 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man be found guilty " here's how that applies to meteorites Its better that a 100 people buy a 40.00 fake than 1 real meteorite be discarded Also even fake meteorites can make people curious and genuinely interested which means your collection is worth more just by the amount of that interest I am a licensed landscape contractor and guess what? I charge more because a lot of times the unlicensed can't do the work therefor more work is funneled to me more demand for a higher standard means more for $ me. I think meteorites will naturally follow that same course and be found out in the end only to the benefit of the legitimate collector I really think the focus should be on quicker and more conclusive testing Universities are not well equiped for real testing and I know by thier methods they are probably overlooking the most rarest type the low metals since they primarily test with a magnet Where are all the private labs hiding where you can pay and find out EXACTLY what you have? , they are out there but' their not set up for meteorite ID that well Its not an easy process getting a straight answer on a rock sample in fact its very difficult it needs to be streamlined Is their a machine you can buy to test samples? shove it in like an oven turn a dial out comes a print out of your samples enerts, if there is I'm going to get one and start charging all those fakers 5$ each to conclusively absolutely, undeniably certifiably identify their ? I think ther could be a big demand What do you think? Also check this out, this is what the universitiy called quartz let me know what you think http://www.FINDALLTRADES.COM/projects/Snowwhite.htm Thanks John Here's my quote "leave them alone, and they'll come home wagging their tales behind them" Little bo peep
Re: [meteorite-list] Classic eBay M-Wrong
Ken , I think your making to big a deal out of this. Any serious person will check them out before spending a sizable amount of money You spent 40.00 on a phony but, look what it got you your now an expert on the whole subject You know what they say about guilt or innocence in the criminal justice system " Its better that 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man be found guilty " here's how that applies to meteorites Its better that a 100 people buy a 40.00 fake than 1 real meteorite be discarded Also even fake meteorites can make people curious and genuinely interested which means your collection is worth more just by the amount of that interest I am a licensed landscape contractor and guess what? I charge more because a lot of times the unlicensed can't do the work therefor more work is funneled to me more demand for a higher standard means more for $ me. I think meteorites will naturally follow that same course and be found out in the end only to the benefit of the legitimate collector I really think the focus should be on quicker and more conclusive testing Universities are not well equiped for real testing and I know by thier methods they are probably overlooking the most rarest type the low metals since they primarily test with a magnet Where are all the private labs hiding where you can pay and find out EXACTLY what you have? , they are out there but' their not set up for meteorite ID that well Its not an easy process getting a straight answer on a rock sample in fact its very difficult it needs to be streamlined Is their a machine you can buy to test samples? shove it in like an oven turn a dial out comes a print out of your samples enerts, if there is I'm going to get one and start charging all those fakers 5$ each to conclusively absolutely, undeniably certifiably identify their ? I think ther could be a big demand What do you think? Also check this out, this is what the universitiy called quartz let me know what you think http://www.FINDALLTRADES.COM/projects/Snowwhite.htm Thanks John Here's my quote "leave them alone, and they'll come home wagging their tales behind them" Little bo peep magellon wrote: Hi, You have got to see this: METEOR >From Deep Deep Outer Space Lighten Picts Photo#1 Photo#2 Photo#3 This is THE CLASSIC M-wrong. In an email the guy even told me "I found it the morning of the first night of the Band of meteorites passing through Earth's path. We were pelted in this area for several nights but I am the only one that has reported recovering one." Also, "Just in the short year that I have owned this I have answered questions, displayed, and shipped this precious object to all parts of the planet for viewing." Yet, I was the first person to ask if his find was attracted to a magnet. (He did not know and does not have a magnet) Everything from the description to the photos looks and sounds fake. When I ask a seller of a m-wrong if I can use his photo and description for my M-wrong Page, the dishonest ones (knowing their meteorite is a fake) usually say no or agree under anonymity. This guy wanted publicity, so I'm convinced that he actually believes all the unbelievable stuff he is saying. That's incredible! Ken Newton #9632 me
[meteorite-list] Any evidence salt water
Any evidence of salt water on mars? Look what I read " In 1998, two rocks zoomed through the Earth's atmosphere. One plopped down in Monahans, Texas, near some boys playing basketball. The other landed in Morocco, in a town called Zag. upon review by scientists from NASA and other institutions, the Zag and Monahans meteorites turned out to have something special: water. When cracked open, the meteorites exhibit a purple area, which turned out to be ordinary table salt, sodium chloride. Cosmic rays had turned the area purple. Upon closer inspection, scientists found droplets of salty water in the purple. Zag and Monahans are of the most common type of meteorite that hits Earth, called chondrites. Scientists believe both came from the same parent asteroid. The existence of water on the meteorites suggests that water, or evidence of water, may be present on many more meteorites that fall on Earth. If this is the case, water may not be as rare in the solar system as many scientists suggest" Thanks John Reed
