Re: [meteorite-list] Very sad news
Hello Bernd, Indeed, this is very sad news. Thanks for your post. It should be noted that not only was John Blennert a legendary Arizona metal-detectorist in regards to gold and meteorites, he made substantial contributions to archeology. (See links below) He known worldwide, so it is no surprise that news of his passing came to us here on the Met-List by way of Germany. https://www.detectorprospector.com/topic/25727-we-lost-john-blennart-of-tucson/page/2/#comments https://forums.robsdetectors.com/topic/5950-attention-doc/ http://www.chichilticale.com/60.htm http://www.chichilticale.com/17.htm On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 07:07:02 PM PDT, bernd.pauli--- via Meteorite-list wrote: Dear List, It is my sad duty to inform you that John Blennert has passed away :-( John, rest in peace! Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Artificial Meteor Science Data Gained
Thank you "newsspace" for providing this link. I'll limit my comments to your link, although there is more information about this "Subject", but it is behind a paywall. I'm surprised that this List didn't comment sooner on the well-documented, well-tracked recovery, and more to the point: the fact that they had visual on this "artificial meteor" all the way from "peak heating" (most luminous) all the way down to the ground - all the way from hypersonic, thru supersonic, thru transonic, down to subsonic. What this means is that they had visual on this thing thru dark-flight... DARK FLIGHT! It goes without saying that this is a game-changer. It's a proof-of-concept that shows this technology could be applied to Earth-crossing meteoroids (of this size and larger) - if we can detect the meteoroid soon enough, if we can predict the fall zone soon enough, and if we can install and test the portable sensor array before the fall event occurs. We've proven it can be done. So, the more pertinent news to me is not that "Artificial Meteor Science Data [is] Gained", but that "Realtime Meteoroid/Meteorite-Recovery is Now Possible"! My question is this: How long do we have to wait until an official "Meteorite-Recovery Team" is formed? Has there even been funding allocated for this capability? Or is impossible to get funding for an event that may only happen once a decade, if ever? Or do we have to wait until it becomes political - like when another country beats us to the punch? On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 01:42:48 PM PDT, newsspace--- via Meteorite-list wrote: Leonard David/Inside Outer Space: OSIRIS-REx Capsule Re-entry: “Artificial Meteor” Science Data Gained https://www.leonarddavid.com/osiris-rex-capsule-re-entry-artificial-meteor-science-data-gained/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Artificial Meteor Science Data Gained
Thank you "newsspace" for providing this link. I'll limit my comments to your link, although there is more information about this "Subject", but it is behind a paywall. I'm surprised that this List didn't comment sooner on the well-documented, well-tracked recovery, and more to the point: the fact that they had visual on this "artificial meteor" all the way from "peak heating" (most luminous) all the way down to the ground - all the way from hypersonic, thru supersonic, thru transonic, down to subsonic. What this means is that they had visual on this thing thru dark-flight... DARK FLIGHT! It goes without saying that this is a game-changer. It's a proof-of-concept that shows this technology could be applied to Earth-crossing meteoroids (of this size and larger) - if we can detect the meteoroid soon enough, if we can predict the fall zone soon enough, and if we can install and test the portable sensor array before the fall event occurs. We've proven it can be done. So, the more pertinent news to me is not that "Artificial Meteor Science Data [is] Gained", but that "Realtime Meteoroid/Meteorite-Recovery is Now Possible"! My question is this: How long do we have to wait until an official "Meteorite-Recovery Team" is formed? Has there even been funding allocated for this capability? Or is impossible to get funding for an event that may only happen once a decade, if ever? Or do we have to wait until it becomes political - like when another country beats us to the punch? On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 01:42:48 PM PDT, newsspace--- via Meteorite-list wrote: Leonard David/Inside Outer Space: OSIRIS-REx Capsule Re-entry: “Artificial Meteor” Science Data Gained https://www.leonarddavid.com/osiris-rex-capsule-re-entry-artificial-meteor-science-data-gained/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mysterious patches of glassy rock across Atacama Desert
This story caused a big splash on the Internet back in late-2021, but I'm still looking for a published paper. Has anyone heard anything more about this speculated comet impact? Here is a follow-up article (dated Nov. 8, 2021) regarding a reported finding of impact-melt glass from a suspect "comet impact in the Atacama Desert". https://www.sci.news/space/atacama-desert-comet-10247.html Here is the original CNN article: https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/03/world/atacama-desert-glass-comet-scn/index.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Scientists Intrigued by Huge Structure Buried Under Australia
World’s largest asteroid impact may be buried in Australia Magnetic patterns beneath New South Wales' Murray Basin correspond to a colossal impact structure. https://interestingengineering.com/science/worlds-largest-asteroid-impact-australia New evidence suggests the world’s largest known asteroid impact structure is buried deep in southeast Australia Published: August 9, 2023 11.24pm EDT https://theconversation.com/new-evidence-suggests-the-worlds-largest-known-asteroid-impact-structure-is-buried-deep-in-southeast-australia-209593 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Show me the Shock
https://www.space.com/boomerang-meteorite-left-earth-and-returned A dark reddish-brown stone, picked up from the Sahara desert in Morocco a few years ago, appears to be an Earth rock that was flung into space where it stayed for thousands of years before returning home ? surprisingly intact. If scientists are right about this, the rock will officially be named the first meteorite to boomerang from Earth. [Not for certain!] The discovery team's work was *presented* ( https://conf.goldschmidt.info/goldschmidt/2023/meetingapp.cgi/Paper/20218 ) last week at an international geochemistry conference and has not yet been published in a peer-reviewed journal. "I think there is no doubt that this is a meteorite," said Frank Brenker, a geologist at the Goethe University Frankfurt in Germany, who was not involved with the new study. "It is just a matter of debate if it is really from Earth." [But, still could be the other way around.] Early diagnostic tests show the unusual stone features the same chemical composition as volcanic rocks on Earth. Interestingly, however, a few of its elements seem to have been altered into lighter forms of themselves. These lighter versions are known to occur only upon interacting with energetic *cosmic rays* ( https://www.space.com/32644-cosmic-rays.html ) in space, which provided one of two key pieces of evidence declaring the rock's trip beyond Earth, geologists say. Other pending measurements include unambiguous data about how much shock from the original impact the stone absorbed. This unique signature can be detected in the permanently altered microstructures of the mineral crystals forming the rock. Estimating the meteorite's shock levels is "something that can be checked or done in one hour or so max, using naked eyes," Ferrière said, "thus, not costly and a very important observation in this case." ( https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/uh7CnCZNh4MNnFY78yR2ke.jpg ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Still no pics of "meteorite" that hit French woman.
am on July 6, she told local newspaper Les Dernières Nouvelles d'Alsace. 'I heard a big "poom" coming from the roof next to us,' she said. 'In the second that followed, I felt a shock on the ribs. I thought it was an animal, a bat. 'We thought it was a piece of cement, the one we apply to the ridge tiles, but it didn't have the colour.' It is unclear where the rock is now, but Dr Rebmann previously suggested that scientists should study it further to confirm its exact origin. According to NASA, Earth is bombarded with more than 100 tons of dust and sand-sized particles every day, but most burn up before reaching the planet's surface. Meteorites the size of a golf ball hit Earth every few years, but the frequency of them impacting populated areas is even smaller. This is particularly the case because our planet's surface is around 71 per cent ocean. The rocks tend to be more easily spotted when they land in a desert, because they contrast with the stark landscape and are less likely to be covered in dirt or vegetation. 'It's very rare, in our temperate environments, to find them,' Dr Rebmann said. 'They merge with other elements. On the other hand, in a desert environment, we can find them more easily.' This isn't the first time a person has been hit by a space rock. The only known person to be hit by a space rock was Alabama woman Ann Hodges, who was struck by a grapefruit-sized meteorite in November 1954. It crashed through the roof of her home while she slept and hit her upper thigh and hand, but she survived the ordeal and only suffered bruising. According to a 2020 study, the only recorded case of meteorite killing a human goes back more than 130 years. At the time, the study authors found evidence of a meteorite that killed one man and left another paralysed after it fell 'like rain' on the Iraqi village in Sulaymaniyah in August 1888. The event was not uncovered until 2020 because documents describing it were written in an old Ottoman-Turkish language that is hard to translate. The documents, written by local authorities and sent to the government, described how 'a strong bright light was accompanied by smoke and travelled toward a village'. The translation went on to say that meteorites fell for a period of about ten minutes 'like rain', killing one man and seriously injuring another. On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 02:18:21 PM PDT, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote: From: https://www.unilad.com/news/world-news/woman-hit-meteorite-size-golf-ball-france-616020-20230717 -- "Woman claims she was hit by a meteorite the size of a golf ball after getting rock analyzed" -- Probably too late for this warning, but too many people are saying that the images in the above news article is the Subject meteorite. It isn't! That edited image is from the Getty Archive, and it is me (Robert Verish) holding the Los Angeles meteorite 24 years ago. And the other image is an obvious chunk of slag. Look at how many articles have already been written about this French "meteorite": https://www.google.com/search?q=geologist+Dr+Thierry+Rebmann __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Still no pics of "meteorite" that hit French woman.
From: https://www.unilad.com/news/world-news/woman-hit-meteorite-size-golf-ball-france-616020-20230717 -- "Woman claims she was hit by a meteorite the size of a golf ball after getting rock analyzed" -- Probably too late for this warning, but too many people are saying that the images in the above news article is the Subject meteorite. It isn't! That edited image is from the Getty Archive, and it is me (Robert Verish) holding the Los Angeles meteorite 24 years ago. And the other image is an obvious chunk of slag. Look at how many articles have already been written about this French "meteorite": https://www.google.com/search?q=geologist+Dr+Thierry+Rebmann __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Heritage "Thursday Auction" this week is mostly meteorites
The "Thursday Auction" on Heritage (which runs for a week, and is usually minerals and fossils) is mostly meteorites this week. There are 6 Sikhote-Alin currently being given away (literally) at an opening bid of $1. https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?SaleNo=212215&ic=hero-ThursdayInternetNaturalHistory-auctionInfo-212215-040722 Bob V. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Heritage Nature & Science Auction #8073
There are also a couple of tektites offered, to include a 30gram Bediasite.Bob V. - Forwarded Message - From: Kissick, Craig - 1995 To: Kissick, Craig - 1995 Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022, 05:36:54 PM PDTSubject: Nature & Science Auction #8073 Dear Friend of Natural History, The current Nature & Science auction #8073 closes this Friday starting at 12:00PM CDT. Please check outwww.ha.com/8073 to see the truly spectacular assortment of Fossils, Meteorites and Lapidary Arts as well as Golds, Fine Minerals and Gemstones. All of our categories are well represented in theShowcase auction. From an incredible pair of Dinosaur Footprints and an exceptionalT-rex tooth to both top Lunar and Martian meteorites as well as a surreal Chalcopyrite cluster to a massive Gold nugget from Australia, the offerings are an outstanding mix of quality, size, rarity and aesthetics. Please do not hesitate to contact me personally with any questions or for assistance with bidding. My direct number is(214) 551-5320. This sale is full of superb examples of all our categories. Each Lot has many beautiful photos and a detailed description online. Thank you, Craig C. Kissick Director, Nature & Science Heritage Auctions Ph. (214) 409-1995 www.ha.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: January 17 Showcase Nature & Science Auction
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android - Forwarded Message - From: "Kissick, Craig - 1995" To: "Kissick, Craig - 1995" Cc: Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 21:21 Subject: January 17 Showcase Nature & Science Auction Dear Friend of Natural History, I just wanted to reach out with a friendly reminder that our currentShowcase Nature & Science auction ends January 17. An outstanding assortment of Meteorites, Fossils, and Lapidary Arts as well as a select group of Fine Minerals, Golds, and Gemstones characterize this sale. Here is a convenient link to the auction online, and I invite you to check out the offerings presented in this curated “old school” Natural History auction: www.ha.com/29156 Thank you for your continued support, Craig C. Kissick Director, Nature & Science Heritage Auctions Ph. (214) 049-1995 www.ha.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Minerals -- the book
Hello All, Just wanted to inform the subscribers of this Met-List, that Alan Rubin and Chi Ma have written a book called "Meteorite Mineralogy", just published by Cambridge University Press as part of its Planetary Science Series. I think the readers on this List will find it of interest. It is widely available, as well as, on Amazon. Bob V. Meteorite Mineralogy (Cambridge Planetary Science, Series Number 26) New Edition by Alan E. Rubin (Author), Chi Ma (Author) https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/image/I/51xcx47ChWS._SX344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg Meteorites are fascinating cosmic visitors. Using accessible language, this book documents the history of mineralogy and meteorite research, summarizes the mineralogical characteristics of the myriad varieties of meteorites, and explains the mineralogical characteristics of Solar System bodies visited by spacecraft. Some of these bodies contain minerals that do not occur naturally on Earth or in meteorites. The book explains how to recognize different phases under the microscope and in back-scattered electron images. It summarizes the major ways in which meteoritic minerals form – from condensation in the expanding atmospheres of dying stars to crystallization in deep-seated magmas, from flash-melting in the solar nebula to weathering in the terrestrial environment. Containing spectacular back-scattered electron images, colour photographs of meteorite minerals, and with an accompanying online list of meteorite minerals, this book provides a useful resource for meteorite researchers, terrestrial mineralogists, cosmochemists and planetary scientists, as well as graduate students in these fields. Editorial Reviews Book Description: A comprehensive summary of the mineralogy of all meteorite groups and the origin of their minerals. About the Authors: Alan Rubin is a meteorite researcher who recently retired from the University of California, where he worked as a research geochemist. He is a fellow of the Meteoritical Society and winner of the Nininger Meteorite Award and seven Griffith Observer science writing awards. He is the namesake of the garnet mineral rubinite and the main-belt asteroid 6227Alanrubin. He has one other published book – Disturbing the Solar System (Princeton, 2004). Chi Ma is a mineralogist at the California Institute of Technology, with research interests in nanomineralogy and the discovery of new minerals, especially those representing extreme conditions of formation. He has discovered and/or led investigations on 45 new minerals, including 14 refractory minerals from the solar nebula and 11 high-pressure minerals. The oxide mineral machiite was named in his honour. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Breja
Oued Sfayat Meteoritical Bulletin: Search the Database | | | | Meteoritical Bulletin: Search the Database | | | On Friday, July 9, 2021, 10:58:18 PM PDT, Albert Jambon via Meteorite-list wrote: Algeria Le 09/07/2021 à 19:14, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list a écrit : > Hello, > > Does anyone have thoughts on why meteorite "Breja" hasn't been classified > despite its apparent witnessed fall, etc.? > > John > #1896 > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pictures
Dean has informed me that his specimen has been turned-in for classification, and that the general consensus is -- enstatite chondrite -- so Michael, you may be right. Time will tell, Bob V. __ HERITAGE AUCTIONS - VERY RARE MAIN MASS METEORITES https://ha.com/29153/On auction NOW in HERITAGE AUCTIONS’ Online Meteorites sale. Browse 50+ lots of exceptional CV3, iron, & planetary meteorite specimens, including rare main masses of Martian and Lunar meteorites. Bid online today June 17 at Heritage Auctions : Meteorites https://tinyurl.com/HA---Meteorites__ On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 8:23:14 AM PDT, Michael Murray via Meteorite-list wrote: I might have been somewhat close with my guess of EH. : ). Mike __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pictures
Hey Dean, Did you ever get an ID or resolution on your metal-grain-rich meteorite? I'm surprised that no one mentioned the possibility of it being an "HH chondrite".See these two photos by Greg Stanley of his Nova 010 purchase: https://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/bolide-chaser/Nova_010_H-an_-_ts.jpghttps://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/bolide-chaser/Nova_010_H-an_-_UCLA_type-sp.jpg Just curious, Bob V. __ HERITAGE AUCTIONS - VERY RARE MAIN MASS METEORITES https://ha.com/29153/On auction NOW in HERITAGE AUCTIONS’ Online Meteorites sale. Browse 50+ lots of exceptional CV3, iron, & planetary meteorite specimens, including rare main masses of Martian and Lunar meteorites. Bid online until June 17 at Heritage Auctions : Meteorites https://tinyurl.com/HA---Meteorites__ On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 10:27:03 AM PDT, dean bessey via Meteorite-list wrote: See two photos. Anybody have any guesses as to what it is or recognise it as paired with something? Very strongly magnetic - closer to an iron than a H chondriteCheersdean http://www.meteoriteshop.com/pictures/7454h.jpg http://www.meteoriteshop.com/pictures/7454i.jpg __ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: [UCLA Meteorite Gallery] UCLA Meteorite Gallery Poetry Contest 2021- Submissions Open!
https://meteorites.ucla.edu/ -- Forwarded message - From: UCLA Meteorite Collection Date: Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 11:02 AM Subject: [UCLA Meteorite Gallery] UCLA Meteorite Gallery Poetry Contest 2021- Submissions Open! To: | | UCLA Meteorite Gallery Poetry Contest | | In celebration of National Poetry Month, we invite all enthusiasts to submit up to 3 poems about meteorites, asteroids, or impacts. We welcome all poetic forms such as haikus, sonnets, limericks, free verses, etc. After careful review of all submissions, we will publish the top 10 poems on our website and the top 3 poems will be posted in the UCLA Meteorite Gallery. Please submit all poems to Juliet Hook at jah...@ucla.edu by May 1st, 2021. We kick off this contest with an introductory poem by our curator Dr. Alan Rubin. Waltzing 253 Mathilde Crushed and cratered, shattered, pelted, Shocked and fractured, sintered, melted, Blackened, jumbled, porous, blocky, Rent, fragmented, vuggy, rocky, Slowly spinning in the void; It's a battered asteroid! Check out our website for inspiration from top literary figures such as Robert Frost and his "A Star in a Stone Boat." | | | | The UCLA Meteorite Collection - Home | | | Giving For those interested in donating to the UCLA Meteorite Collection, please click here. We greatly appreciate your support. Please follow us on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook. | | | | UCLA Meteorite Collection Geology Building, Room 3697 565 Charles Young Drive East Los Angeles, CA 90095 | | __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fireball over Connecticut [AMS Event# 2019 3151]
Hello Roberto and List, Thanks for posting those links. I can only add one more, and you will have to go over to facebook to get more info on this event: https://www.facebook.com/GalacticAnalyticsLLC/ This was a widely witnessed event with more than 9 videos and more still images, so more info "should be" forthcoming. But it is hard to compete with all of the other sightings and recoveries: Earlier on the same day as this event there was a recording of a fireball in Ontario, Canada. And the recovery of a meteorite in India that same day has sucked-up a lot of the bandwidth. I hope this U.S. event doesn't get overlooked, and that the time is taken to search the Doppler-radar data, and that something gets found. Bob V. - Attached Text - From: Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list To: tracy latimer ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019, 5:33:03 AM PDT Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bolide over Big Island Fireball over Connecticut, as well. Anyone got any additional info on this one? https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Fireball-streaks-across-CT-night-sky-14127787.php https://fox61.com/2019/07/24/did-you-see-it-meteor-lights-up-skies-over-connecticut-massachusetts-rhode-island/ https://fireball.amsmeteors.org/members/imo_view/event/2019/3151 End of Attached Text __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] This year - More Gold and even More Meteorites
https://www.lot-art.com/auction-catalogue/2019-July-20-Nature-and-Science-Signature-Auction-Dallas/139588 For those of us who are not subscribed to facebook, you may have missed the notices being posted about the big auction in Dallas, including many meteorites: https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5438&type=Lot-Art5438 As posted on facebook --- Aerolite Meteorites, July 1 at 2:41 PM · THE AUCTION IS OPEN The Heritage Auctions Nature & Science Signature Auction is now open for bidding, including collectibles from Neil Armstrong's personal estate, historic, never-before-seen space memorabilia, and one-of-a-kind rare space rocks from Mars and the moon! __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] greenland meteor strike
Hello Doug, Just to be clear, I was replying in regards to Paul Gessler's post and his title "greenland meteor strike", making it clear that the articles he referenced were about the Bering Sea meteor in December and not about the Greenland Meteor in July, (even though the Fox "News" used an old, meteor video involving the military base near Greenland in July). Contrary to the description accompanying that older FOX video, the US Air Force were the first to notify NASA about the December fireball over the Bering Sea. I just figured that Paul's post (and title) and the reference to BOTH the BBC and Fox "News" articles (and their stark differences) were his Canadian-polite way of rubbing our collective US noses in our own "do-do" that is now US internet "journalism". With best regards, Bob V. P.S. - I must admit that I have no knowledge of Ron Baalke's status at JPL. On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 1:00 PM, MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list wrote: I saw the the same sensationalized story written up as a CNN report today: "A meteor exploded in the Earth's atmosphere with 10 times the energy of the Hiroshima atomic bomb", and CNN's article has buildings shaking and glass breaking on the autoplay video on top of the page (from Chelyabinsk). https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/18/us/meteor-blast-fireball-explosion-nasa-space-trnd/index.html and they even screwed up the size of the explosion (since been revised in the story, ironic since the title was about the energy that then needed correction)! MSNBC did a slightly longer sensational version, which was interesting for a casual reader, " Meteor blast over Russia's Bering Sea packed 10 times the power of Hiroshima bomb" https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/techandscience/meteor-blast-over-russia-s-bering-sea-packed-10-times-the-power-of-hiroshima-bomb/ar-BBUWcVc To be fair, the BBC was a source of the report for all three of the cable "news" networks, where the unifying thread is only US cable news "journalism" which we all know is entertaining. Wonder what the discussion groups in say India, thing about our news. Also, wonder how "Rocket Man" Ron Baalke a former active list member at JPL, who is missed, got suspended and if it was related to setting off the sensational narrative on the Greenland defense base last year? Bob? Cheers, Doug -Original Message- From: Robert Verish via Meteorite-list To: Paul Gessler ; Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list ; meteorite-list Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2019 2:33 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] greenland meteor strike Regarding the Bering Sea meteor strike, the difference between the BBC reporting, versus the Fox"News" story, is the difference between a factual accounting, and another example of anxiety-inducing "fake news". https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2019/Bob V. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 3:07 AM, Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list wrote: Apparently a large event has been detected in Greenland approximating the energy of Chelyabinsk. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47607696 https://www.foxnews.com/science/us-detects-meteor-explosion-10-times-the-energy-as-atomic-bomb-report paul gessler --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] greenland meteor strike
Hello Doug, Just to be clear, I was replying in regards to Paul Gessler's post and his title "greenland meteor strike", making it clear that the articles he referenced were about the Bering Sea meteor in December and not about the Greenland Meteor in July, (even though the Fox "News" used an old, meteor video involving the military base near Greenland that fell in July). Contrary to the description accompanying that older FOX video, the US Air Force were the first to notify NASA about the December fireball over the Bering Sea. I just figured that Paul's post (and title) and the reference to BOTH the BBC and Fox "News" articles (and their stark differences) were his Canadian-polite way of making fun of what is now our USA internet "journalism". With best regards, Bob V. P.S. - I must admit that I have no knowledge of Ron Baalke's status at JPL. On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 1:00 PM, MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list wrote: I saw the the same sensationalized story written up as a CNN report today: "A meteor exploded in the Earth's atmosphere with 10 times the energy of the Hiroshima atomic bomb", and CNN's article has buildings shaking and glass breaking on the autoplay video on top of the page (from Chelyabinsk). https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/18/us/meteor-blast-fireball-explosion-nasa-space-trnd/index.html and they even screwed up the size of the explosion (since been revised in the story, ironic since the title was about the energy that then needed correction)! MSNBC did a slightly longer sensational version, which was interesting for a casual reader, " Meteor blast over Russia's Bering Sea packed 10 times the power of Hiroshima bomb" https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/techandscience/meteor-blast-over-russia-s-bering-sea-packed-10-times-the-power-of-hiroshima-bomb/ar-BBUWcVc To be fair, the BBC was a source of the report for all three of the cable "news" networks, where the unifying thread is only US cable news "journalism" which we all know is entertaining. Wonder what the discussion groups in say India, thing about our news. Also, wonder how "Rocket Man" Ron Baalke a former active list member at JPL, who is missed, got suspended and if it was related to setting off the sensational narrative on the Greenland defense base last year? Bob? Cheers, Doug -Original Message- From: Robert Verish via Meteorite-list To: Paul Gessler ; Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list ; meteorite-list Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2019 2:33 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] greenland meteor strike Regarding the Bering Sea meteor strike, the difference between the BBC reporting, versus the Fox"News" story, is the difference between a factual accounting, and another example of anxiety-inducing "fake news". https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2019/ Bob V. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android - On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 3:07 AM, Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list wrote: Apparently a large event has been detected in Greenland approximating the energy of Chelyabinsk. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47607696 https://www.foxnews.com/science/us-detects-meteor-explosion-10-times-the-energy-as-atomic-bomb-report paul gessler --- __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] greenland meteor strike
Regarding the Bering Sea meteor strike, the difference between the BBC reporting, versus the Fox"News" story, is the difference between a factual accounting, and another example of anxiety-inducing "fake news". https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2019/Bob V. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 3:07 AM, Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list wrote: Apparently a large event has been detected in Greenland approximating the energy of Chelyabinsk. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47607696 https://www.foxnews.com/science/us-detects-meteor-explosion-10-times-the-energy-as-atomic-bomb-report paul gessler --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites on Heritage Auction
Ending today is the Heritage Auction - Nature & Science, which includes a variety of meteorites. But, due to a clerical error, there were two items that were omitted: Lot #72220 -- La'gad Lunar Meteorite -- main-mass (171 grams) https://fineart.ha.com/itm/nature-and-science/lunar-meteorite-la-gad-lunar-feldspathic-breccia-the-moon-saguia-el-hamra-western-saharaandlt-/a/5387-72220.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515 and Lot #72162 -- Eucrite Meteorite NWA 7496. HED achondrite (Eucrite, polymict). Rio de Oro, Western Sahara https://fineart.ha.com/itm/nature-and-science/eucrite-meteorite-nwa-7496-hed-achondrite-eucrite-polymict-rio-de-oro-western-sahara-22-56/a/5324-72162.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515 I know the finders and owners of these items, and they would like for me to pass along this reminder. Even though these items were not included in todays auction, you can still make an offer on them. So, if you fail to snag any of the meteorites that are up for auction today, you may have better luck "making an offer" on the above two items. You may be pleasantly surprised by how deep of a discount you could get, especially compared to the asking price of today's auction items. Feel free to contact me Off-List, if you have any questions. Bob V. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (no subject)
This might be old news to those of you on facebook, but for those of us who are not, here is some news out of the MetSoc Meeting: Gold hunters in southern Russia might have been disappointed to learn that the speckled, yellow rock they uncovered was not a sizeable pebble of valuable metal. Instead, it was a rare piece of space-borne rubble containing a new mineral that had never before been seen on Earth. The mineral came from the Uakit meteorite, named for the Russian location where it was found. Scientists recently presented their discovery of the meteorite's new mineral, named uakitite, at the Annual Meeting of the Meteoritical Society in Moscow: https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2018/pdf/6252.pdf http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018/08/06/mineral-never-seen-on-earth-found-inside-russian-meteorite.html __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Recently found Algerian Iron
Looks like April Fool's Day comes early in Morocco. Thanks for this update, Mike, and for the crucial info on this meteorite. Something told me that you would have the "low-down" on this specimen. Even thought about contacting you, but I decided not to bother you. Glad no damage was done, and no one got hurt in this fiasco. But it sure is a shame, that this great looking iron meteorite is now "lost to the ages". Wonder where it is? Too bad there isn't a discussion group that discusses meteorites such as this one. Too late to join Facebook. Bob V.All sales of mythological iron meteorites are hereby permanently suspended. On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 11:44 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Where have you been Bob? This iron has been on the market for last year and a half. Waste of time. I’ve tried to buy it. Your “friends” surely don’t own it any more than anyone else sharing the photos. I’ve received them from people in Kenya, U.K., China, and about 1000 Moroccans. It’s a total scam. Good luck suckers. Michael Farmer > On Apr 5, 2018, at 1:51 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list > wrote: > > Hello All, > > Finally have some good news to report. Some fellow meteorite-hunters have > contacted me to report that they have recovered a 255kg iron from the Sahara > Desert in Algeria. This was well before April Fools Day, and the photos of it > in-situ and "oiled-up" are very convincing. I immediately put them in > contact with an officially-approved institution here in USA for > classification. Apparently, they declined to cut this wonderful-looking and > huge mass of iron (and no smaller masses have been found), until after they > have a confirmed buyer. I probably should say "buyers", because I feel it > will take a "consortium" of buyers to meet their asking price of > > $2/gram. > > The finders have already received a number of offers, but nearly all were > bogus. That's why they came to me to help them with filtering-out the > scammers. So, when I say that I will only forward "serious offers", I'm > serious. And, this is the limit of my involvement with this find. That, and > helping to get this iron classified and made "official". > > You can see some of those photos here: > http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2018/apr18.htm > > If seriously interested, please contact me off-List. > Thank you for your time, and I hope you enjoy the photos, > Bob V. > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Recently found Algerian Iron
Hello All, Finally have some good news to report. Some fellow meteorite-hunters have contacted me to report that they have recovered a 255kg iron from the Sahara Desert in Algeria. This was well before April Fools Day, and the photos of it in-situ and "oiled-up" are very convincing. I immediately put them in contact with an officially-approved institution here in USA for classification. Apparently, they declined to cut this wonderful-looking and huge mass of iron (and no smaller masses have been found), until after they have a confirmed buyer. I probably should say "buyers", because I feel it will take a "consortium" of buyers to meet their asking price of $2/gram. The finders have already received a number of offers, but nearly all were bogus. That's why they came to me to help them with filtering-out the scammers. So, when I say that I will only forward "serious offers", I'm serious. And, this is the limit of my involvement with this find. That, and helping to get this iron classified and made "official". You can see some of those photos here: http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2018/apr18.htm If seriously interested, please contact me off-List. Thank you for your time, and I hope you enjoy the photos, Bob V. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions
Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD entry for the La'gad meteorite. It was a simple, but polite, way to point out that all of the questions that have been asked about this meteorite have their answers in that entry. It shouldn't be necessary, but now that the dust-up has settled, I feel compelled to clear away any lingering misconceptions: there is no question, this is the La'gad meteorite there is no question who the classifier is, nor what is the classification there is no question who found this meteorite, or where it was found there is no question who owns this meteorite there is no question at all about the provenance of this meteorite there is no question that this is the main-mass of the La'gad meteorite. The stone in the auction weighs 171grams and has had a sample cut from it, other wise it would weigh 186.24grams. This matches the MBD entry. Having the stone called-out in the MBD and having it be the main-mass, and having the type-specimen be from that mass, is a premium for collectors. Having the coords recorded in the MBD and having a name (like La'gad) and not a number is a premium for collectors, as well. Taking everything into consideration, this Lunar would be a positive addition to any collection. Bob V. On Thursday, November 02, 2017 06:18:45 PM, Peter Marmet via Meteorite-list wrote: Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list : La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired? https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189 Cheers,Peter __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions
I meant to include the following information in my last message: The other Lunar meteorite from Western Sahara in this auction is NWA 10986 (Lunar, highlands feldspathic impact-melt breccia). And if you have any questions about this Lunar, the answers can be found here in the Met Bull Database: https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=64445 Additional information is also on Randy Korotev's website (with images from Sarah Roberts) here: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa10986.htm Sarah Roberts and her colleagues have found this Lunar meteorite so interesting that they have published two papers: https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2017/pdf/2220.pdf and https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2017/pdf/6110.pdf Having in a collection a Lunar meteorite that has 2 papers published about it, is considered to be a premium by collectors. Bob V. Any questions? https://tinyurl.com/Any-ques -- On Friday, November 03, 2017 12:40:58 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote: Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD entry for the La'gad meteorite. It was a simple, but polite, way to point out that all of the questions that have been asked about this meteorite have their answers in that entry. It shouldn't be necessary, but now that the dust-up has settled, I feel compelled to clear away any lingering misconceptions: there is no question, this is the La'gad meteorite there is no question who the classifier is, nor what is the classification there is no question who found this meteorite, or where it was found there is no question who owns this meteorite there is no question at all about the provenance of this meteorite there is no question that this is the main-mass of the La'gad meteorite. The stone in the auction weighs 171grams and has had a sample cut from it, other wise it would weigh 186.24grams. This matches the MBD entry. Having the stone called-out in the MBD and having it be the main-mass, and having the type-specimen be from that mass, is a premium for collectors. Having the coords recorded in the MBD and having a name (like La'gad) and not a number is a premium for collectors, as well. Taking everything into consideration, this Lunar would be a positive addition to any collection. Bob V. -- On Thursday, November 02, 2017 06:18:45 PM, Peter Marmet via Meteorite-list wrote: Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list : > La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or > scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired? https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189 Cheers, Peter __ __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions
Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD entry for the La'gad meteorite. It was a simple, but polite, way to point out that all of the questions that have been asked about this meteorite have their answers in that entry. It shouldn't be necessary, but now that the dust-up has settled, I feel compelled to clear away any lingering misconceptions: there is no question, this is the La'gad meteorite there is no question who the classifier is, nor what is the classification there is no question who found this meteorite, or where it was found there is no question who owns this meteorite there is no question at all about the provenance of this meteorite there is no question that this is the main-mass of the La'gad meteorite. The stone in the auction weighs 171grams and has had a sample cut from it, other wise it would weigh 186.24grams. This matches the MBD entry. Having the stone called-out in the MBD and having it be the main-mass, and having the type-specimen be from that mass, is a premium for collectors. Having the coords recorded in the MBD and having a name (like La'gad) and not a number is a premium for collectors, as well. Taking everything into consideration, this Lunar would be a positive addition to any collection. Bob V. -- On Thursday, November 02, 2017 06:18:45 PM, Peter Marmet via Meteorite-list wrote: Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list : > La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or > scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired? https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189 Cheers, Peter __ __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions
Just the sound of crickets, and of the flies buzzing over the bait https://tinyurl.com/Any-ques ... tions? David S. Pumpkins On Thursday, November 02, 2017 03:34:49 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote: La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired? Adam On 11/2/2017 3:07 PM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote: > > > I had the honor and the pleasure (while they were temporarily in my > possession) of personally examining up-close some of the meteorites in this > auction that are from Western Sahara. I am no longer in possession of any of > the meteorites in this auction. All of these specimens from Western Sahara > appear in the Meteoritical Bulletin where all of the coordinates, masses (and > the number of pieces) and the owners are listed. All of the specimens from > Western Sahara in this auction can be considered the official main masses. > > For clarity, where I may have relevant experience or have information that is > additional to what appears in the MBD or the auction description, I may feel > compelled to share those facts (some of you may remember, this List was > originally an educational, information-sharing forum). For instance: > I feel compelled to clarify the description for the La'gad specimen in this > auction: > > https://preview.tinyurl.com/La-gad > > Where the description states, "this specimen exhibits an irregular exterior > with no fusion crust", I would disagree and instead add that the images > depict a relict-fusion-crust where the surface is smoothly curving, it > represents the original ablated exterior of the La'gad meteorite. The only > evidence remaining that this surface was once covered in glassy fusion-crust > is the iron-stained palagonite clay, the end-product of devitrified glass. > This is not a carbonate, and it is distinct from the iron-stained caliche > that is typically found in the crevices of most of the Lunar specimens from > this locality. > The surface that was fusion-crusted may be more apparent in this Randy > Korotev image: > > http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa8455_files/image030.jpg > > So, to all of you who have expressed an interest in Western Sahara > meteorites, thank you for giving me an opportunity to write on this subject. > And, at the risk of sounding like "David S. Pumpkins", "Any questions?" > http://knowyourmeme.com/news/nbc-announces-animated-david-s-pumpkins-halloween-special > Bob V. > > > > > On Wednesday, November 01, 2017 05:23:41 PM, Luther Jackson > via Meteorite-list wrote: > > > > > > What’s your involvement in this auction Bob, just to be clear? > > Luther > UK > > >> On 11/1/17, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list >> wrote: >>> There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean >>> because it looks like Bierschinken. It is NWA 7496 -- >>> and here is where you have seen it before: >>> >>> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm >>> All photos by Randy L. Korotev >>> >>> And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids": >>> http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD -- as well as, here: http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5 >>> >>> And here, as well: http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous >>> >>> Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published >>> GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara. >>> >>> Enjoy, >>> Bob V. >>> >>> --- >>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 06:49:48 PM, Robert Verish >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction >>> catalog. The photography is stunning. There are so many items and the >>> images are so large, they had to make two separate catalogs: one catalog >>> for all of the gold nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the >>> other, are the many meteorites. >>> >>> Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian >>> specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary >>> material here. >>> >>> You may want to add this to your calendar: >>> >>> 2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas #5324 >>> https
Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions
I had the honor and the pleasure (while they were temporarily in my possession) of personally examining up-close some of the meteorites in this auction that are from Western Sahara. I am no longer in possession of any of the meteorites in this auction. All of these specimens from Western Sahara appear in the Meteoritical Bulletin where all of the coordinates, masses (and the number of pieces) and the owners are listed. All of the specimens from Western Sahara in this auction can be considered the official main masses. For clarity, where I may have relevant experience or have information that is additional to what appears in the MBD or the auction description, I may feel compelled to share those facts (some of you may remember, this List was originally an educational, information-sharing forum). For instance: I feel compelled to clarify the description for the La'gad specimen in this auction: https://preview.tinyurl.com/La-gad Where the description states, "this specimen exhibits an irregular exterior with no fusion crust", I would disagree and instead add that the images depict a relict-fusion-crust where the surface is smoothly curving, it represents the original ablated exterior of the La'gad meteorite. The only evidence remaining that this surface was once covered in glassy fusion-crust is the iron-stained palagonite clay, the end-product of devitrified glass. This is not a carbonate, and it is distinct from the iron-stained caliche that is typically found in the crevices of most of the Lunar specimens from this locality. The surface that was fusion-crusted may be more apparent in this Randy Korotev image: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa8455_files/image030.jpg So, to all of you who have expressed an interest in Western Sahara meteorites, thank you for giving me an opportunity to write on this subject. And, at the risk of sounding like "David S. Pumpkins", "Any questions?" http://knowyourmeme.com/news/nbc-announces-animated-david-s-pumpkins-halloween-special Bob V. On Wednesday, November 01, 2017 05:23:41 PM, Luther Jackson via Meteorite-list wrote: What’s your involvement in this auction Bob, just to be clear? Luther UK > On 11/1/17, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list > wrote: >> There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean >> because it looks like Bierschinken. It is NWA 7496 -- >> and here is where you have seen it before: >> >> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm >> All photos by Randy L. Korotev >> >> And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids": >> http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD -- as well as, here: http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5 >> >> And here, as well: http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous >> >> Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published >> GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara. >> >> Enjoy, >> Bob V. >> >> --- >> On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 06:49:48 PM, Robert Verish >> wrote: >> >> >> I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction >> catalog. The photography is stunning. There are so many items and the >> images are so large, they had to make two separate catalogs: one catalog >> for all of the gold nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the >> other, are the many meteorites. >> >> Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian >> specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary >> material here. >> >> You may want to add this to your calendar: >> >> 2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas #5324 >> https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324 >> >> Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an >> online-version for your convenience at this link: >> >> https://fineart.ha.com/c/ecatalog.zx?saleNo=5324&ic5=CatalogHome-AucType-PrintedCatalogViewer-071515 >> >> I found it to be an educational read. I hope you find it to be enjoyable. >> >> Bob V. >> __ >> __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions
There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean because it looks like Bierschinken. It is NWA 7496 -- and here is where you have seen it before: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm All photos by Randy L. Korotev And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids": http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD -- as well as, here: http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5 And here, as well: http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara. Enjoy,Bob V. --- On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 06:49:48 PM, Robert Verish wrote: I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction catalog. The photography is stunning. There are so many items and the images are so large, they had to make two separate catalogs: one catalog for all of the gold nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the other, are the many meteorites. Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary material here. You may want to add this to your calendar: 2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas #5324 https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324 Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an online-version for your convenience at this link: https://fineart.ha.com/c/ecatalog.zx?saleNo=5324&ic5=CatalogHome-AucType-PrintedCatalogViewer-071515 I found it to be an educational read. I hope you find it to be enjoyable. Bob V. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions
There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean because it looks like Bierschinken. It is NWA 7496 -- and here is where you have seen it before: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm All photos by Randy L. Korotev And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids": http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD -- as well as, here: http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5 And here, as well: http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara. Enjoy, Bob V. --- On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 06:49:48 PM, Robert Verish wrote: I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction catalog. The photography is stunning. There are so many items and the images are so large, they had to make two separate catalogs: one catalog for all of the gold nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the other, are the many meteorites. Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary material here. You may want to add this to your calendar: 2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas #5324 https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324 Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an online-version for your convenience at this link: https://fineart.ha.com/c/ecatalog.zx?saleNo=5324&ic5=CatalogHome-AucType-PrintedCatalogViewer-071515 I found it to be an educational read. I hope you find it to be enjoyable. Bob V. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] First recorded visit to this solar system by an interstellar object
Rob has made a good point about this object not being a comet, and for that matter, the presumption that this thing is natural and unguided. Personally, I am very disappointed that this object wasn't a comet and that it didn't leave a trail of dust and gases, that one day we could have captured in a Stardust-like "sample return". But unfortunately, the darn thing got away quick and clean. And equally unfortunate, that this has opened the flood-gate for all sorts of "alien-craft" theories from a variety of fringe cults. I find it astronomically coincidental that this "fly-by" occurred so close to the 20th anniversary of the Heaven's Gate mass suicide, a concurrence which was not missed by our local news outlets, since this event happened here in Rancho Bernardo. NASA has admitted to having problems identifying what the object was and where it originated, which only sparks the imagination as to possible scenarios. What if this is just the first of many objects coming our way, as if we are entering an intersteller asteroid shower? What if this object was actually an asteroid populated with alien colonists in suspended animation on their way to colonize Pegasus 5, using our Sun as a gravity assist? How do we know that intersteller travel doesn't require a number of "jumps" interspersed with gravity assists and redirections? Or worse, like a page out of a science fiction novel, what if this the first of many asteroid/crafts on their way to other points in our galaxy? What if our inner solar system is in the middle of some proposed intersteller freeway? Maybe our home planet is part of a low-rent district, which will eventually be under an overpass, which is part of an exit ramp for I5 (Intersteller Freeway ramp for Pegasus 5)! Only time will tell, Bob V. “There’s no point in acting surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display at your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for 50 of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now. … What do you mean you’ve never been to Alpha Centauri? Oh, for heaven’s sake, mankind, it’s only four light years away, you know. I’m sorry, but if you can’t be bothered to take an interest in local affairs, that’s your own lookout. Energize the demolition beams.” ― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy On Sunday, October 29, 2017 12:29:20 PM, Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list wrote: Hi Mike, It is indeed an intriguing interloper, with much speculation on MPML as to its possible origin and the dynamics of its ejection from its original star system. Its spectral characteristics (admittedly limited spectral resolution so far) seem more consistent with an asteroid than a comet, though there is no real dividing line between an asteroid and an inactive comet -- more a continuum between the two. Suffice to say the object is "red" with no strong spectral peaks or troughs in the visible band. One small correction to your post below -- the object certainly originated in our galaxy, or one of the dwarf galaxies that is gravitationally bound to it (e.g. the Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy). There has been insufficient time for the body to travel intergalactic distances, even from as close as Andromeda. Unfortunately, we will never know the identity of the star system from which it originated. --Rob From: Meteorite-list [meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] on behalf of Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list [meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com] Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 5:30 AM To: Meteorite List Subject: EXTERNAL: [meteorite-list] First recorded visit to this solar system by a comet-like interstellar object First recorded visit in this solar system by a visiting interstellar object of unknown origin and composition. This comet-like object is moving at a very high rate of speed (44 km/sec) and is entering our cosmic neighborhood from an unusual angle that is nearly perpendicular to the ecliptic. This object does not come from our Asteroid Belt, Kuiper Belt, or Oort Cloud. It is an interloper from the vast empty space between the galaxies and stars. This comet-like object has streaked through our solar system like a rifle shot and is now continuing on it's journey through deep space in the direction of the Pegasus constellation. Unlike most comets or asteroids, we Earthlings will never see this strange visitor again, as it's speed and trajectory will carry it out and away from our solar system into the distant reaches of interstellar space. Link - http://earthsky.org/space/a2017u1-comet-asteroid-interstellar-beyond-solar-system -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks : www.galactic-stone.com __ Visit our Faceb
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Newfoundland Meteorite
Dean, You neglected to mention the more "entertaining" article: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/meteorite-hunters-southside-hills-1.4370650 Priceless, Bob V. On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 12:08:53 PM, dean bessey via Meteorite-list wrote: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/meteorite-meteor-space-unidentified-object-st-johns-south-side-hills-1.4368296 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions
I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction catalog. The photography is stunning. There are so many items and the images are so large, they had to make two separate catalogs: one catalog for all of the gold nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the other, are the many meteorites. Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary material here. You may want to add this to your calendar: 2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas #5324 https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324 Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an online-version for your convenience at this link: https://fineart.ha.com/c/ecatalog.zx?saleNo=5324&ic5=CatalogHome-AucType-PrintedCatalogViewer-071515 I found it to be an educational read. I hope you find it to be enjoyable. Bob V. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: New shipment of Lunars from Western Sahara
Hello all Lunar collectors and dealers, Well, it's another month and the finders of these "new Lunar" stones are still sending them to the US market, even though their prices are at historic lows. This is clearly a Lunar "buyer's market", giving collectors the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that they may never see again. Apparently, these finders are going to the published coordinates for known and classified Lunar meteorites and are cleaning-up the locality of "missed" stones, so technically these are not really "new Lunar meteorites", and therefore, are limited in quantity. Don't wait, because diminishing returns will result in a reversal of the current price trend. Pricing is structured according to specimen size and is as follows: Up to 50 grams - $55 51 to 100 grams - $50 per gram 101 to 200 grams - $45 per gram These are special prices for Met-Listees, so don't wait for these specimens to appear on eBay. Another pre-eBay benefit - I am offering to cut (or window) your purchased stones for free. So, for consortiums, or even for a couple collectors that team-up, but have no means to "split-up" their stone, I will do that for them. Currently, I have sub-gram pieces, but the following specimens are in transit, so you have some time to "team-up", but you should pick and place "on Hold" your choices the sooner the better: (in grams) 23.23 21.9 17.4 15.8 15.7 6.5 6.4 5.5 5.1 25.0 (endcut) 74.2 (NWA 10986 main-mass) 185g main-mass currently on eBay I have group photos of the specimens on their way to me, but the images of individual stones are currently low-quality. Here is a link where I will place images of these specimens: http://s1339.photobucket.com/user/meteorite-finder/library/ Placing stones "On-Hold" will be on a first-come, first-served basis. Several more smaller stones will be in transit to me after this batch, but this appears to be the beginning of "diminishing returns" from the strewn-field. Shipping and insurance for your purchased specimens is separate and specific to each purchase. Thanks for your interest in Western Sahara Lunar meteorites, Bob Verish __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: New shipment of Lunars from Western Sahara
Hello all Lunar collectors and dealers, Well, it's another month and the finders of these "new Lunar" stones are still sending them to the US market, even though their prices are at historic lows. This is clearly a Lunar "buyer's market", giving collectors the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that they may never see again. Apparently, these finders are going to the published coordinates for known and classified Lunar meteorites and are cleaning-up the locality of "missed" stones, so technically these are not really "new Lunar meteorites", and therefore, are limited in quantity. Don't wait, because diminishing returns will result in a reversal of the current price trend. Pricing is structured according to specimen size and is as follows: Up to 50 grams - $55 51 to 100 grams - $50 per gram 101 to 200 grams - $45 per gram These are special prices for Met-Listees, so don't wait for these specimens to appear on eBay. Another pre-eBay benefit - I am offering to cut (or window) your purchased stones for free. So, for consortiums, or even for a couple collectors that team-up, but have no means to "split-up" their stone, I will do that for them. Currently, I have sub-gram pieces, but the following specimens are in transit, so you have some time to "team-up", but you should pick and place "on Hold" your choices the sooner the better: (in grams) 23.23 21.9 17.4 15.8 15.7 6.5 6.4 5.5 25.0 (endcut) 74.2 (NWA 10986 main-mass) 185g main-mass currently on eBay I have group photos of the specimens on their way to me, but the images of individual stones are currently low-quality. Here is a link where I will place images of these specimens: http://s1339.photobucket.com/user/meteorite-finder/library/ Placing stones "On-Hold" will be on a first-come, first-served basis. Several more smaller stones will be in transit to me after this batch, but this appears to be the beginning of "diminishing returns" from the strewn-field. Shipping and insurance for your purchased specimens is separate and specific to each purchase. Thanks for your interest in Western Sahara Lunar meteorites, Bob Verish __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sad News :-(
Hello Dana, I just gave the sad news to Moni. We are very saddened, but also very heartened that we got to know this very gentleperson. I introduced Moni to Larry a decade ago at Majuba Hill when she joined Larry and me on a hunt at the Placers. John Wolfe introduced me to Larry back in the very early days of Franconia. The three of us have hunted together at many localities in AZ CA and NV. Being a part of that generation, this loss hits close to home and is very personal to me.The Tucson Show will always be missing a very special part now that Larry's smiling face is no longer there. With condolences to his family, Bob and Moni Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:31 AM, KD Meteorites via Meteorite-list wrote: I'm sad to tell everyone that we lost one of the best men I ever met; Larry Sloan. He was a very well respected and loved man, always ready with a smile and some of his natural remedies! He loved everything meteorite and will be missed greatly at the shows. After I lost my dad in 2006 Larry stepped up and became my second Dad; and he was always there with a smile and some advice. The shows will be a little sadder without his smiling face but I'm sure he will do his best to send down some Meteorites from heaven just to keep us on our toes! :-) Please send your thoughts and prayers to his family during this difficult time. Thank you Dana Meteorite Lady Rocks! __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crashes Through Thailand House Roof
People that have unknowingly picked up a piece of dry ice with their bare hands have sworn that it is burnt their fingers. Bob Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Tommy via Meteorite-list wrote: Hi Peter! I get the friction part but THAT much friction? Tom On 06/28/2016 04:09 PM, Peter Scherff wrote: > Hi Tom, > > I believe that part i.e. "I picked up the largest chunk and let go quickly > as it was very hot,". Have you ever held a nail that you just pulled out of > a board? The nail is very warm. The friction of punching a hole through a > home, car or the ground can heat up a meteorite. Now if they start talking > about the fires it started I am with you. > > Thanks, > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On > Behalf Of Tommy via Meteorite-list > Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:03 PM > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crashes Through Thailand House Roof > > "I picked up the largest chunk and let go quickly as it was very hot," > 65-year-old home-owner Bualom Chalomprai said. " > > > Her mind must have been playing tricks on her. > > Regards! > > Tom > > > On 06/28/2016 03:02 PM, Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list wrote: > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Natiional Forest Rules
Adam is right about National Forest rules not permitting meteorite collecting. And, I'm not surprised that many of their forest service rangers are unaware of that fact and, more importantly, among the rangers that I have spoken with, most don't really know why it isn't permitted. It's weird, when I tell them the reason "why", they actually argue with me saying that I "must be wrong, because that reason is insane." Well, enough about that insanity. I just wanted to point that while Adam is right, that most dry-lakes are on public lands, not all are. There are many on other kinds of properties. And those on military bases are obviously out of the jurisdiction of the BLM. Rest assured that if they can't make any money off of the meteorite find, they could care less. So, if you have the rare opportunity to acquire a meteorite from a dry-lake located on a military base, you can forget about all this generalization about dry-lakes. None of the rules relating to public lands and the BLM applies to these other dry-lakes. Bob V. On Fri, 6/3/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: [meteorite-list] Natiional Forest Rules To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, June 3, 2016, 12:47 PM I had a List member comment that a forest service ranger told him it was ok to collect meteorites. I double-checked to see if the rules have changed and the answer seems to still be, NO. This also means that most meteorites found of dry lake beds are off-limits to be sold since most are on federal land which now has very limited use by the public due to so many new regulations. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd recovered U.S. fall of 2016 - more details
Hello Rob, You could not have explained anymore succinctly everyone's contribution to this most successful recovery effort, without the risk of leaving out someone, or omitting a significant plot-turn to this remarkable story. I wonder, when this story hits the newswires, if the general public will realize how much of a "volunteer" effort was contributed by everyone that was involved in this recovery, or will they erroneously assume that the government pays all of these people to get this job done? Of course, a tip-of-the-hat to the NOAA NEXRAD, but other than that, the general public may be surprised to learn that none of their tax-dollars were spent on the recovery of this new American meteorite. Also, a tip-of-the-hat to all of the property-owners that gave permission to allow their land to be searched by the all-volunteer recovery team, otherwise very little chance of finding the meteorite. Looking forward to watching this story continue to unfold. Again thanks to all involved, Bob V. On Thu, 2/25/16, Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd recovered U.S. fall of 2016 - more details To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 10:22 AM Hi All, Some further information about the circumstances leading to the successful meteorite recovery east of Lubbock, TX. First off, Mike Hankey deserves special notice since often the first indication we have of a new potential fall is the AMS website that he maintains. Marc Fries was the first to spot the nice Lubbock radar returns for this fall -- less than 18 hours after the event! I compiled those, and additional returns I found in the Amarillo radar, and then went on a search for seismic signatures or videos that could be used to pin down the time of the event. One Youtube video surfaced right away, taken from a dashcam on highway 183 near Euless, Texas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMkeVGSlV7o Pat Branch did some quick work measuring terminus angles, concluding that the vector lined up perfectly with the radar returns east of Lubbock. I soon located two more videos, one from some still undetermined location near Augusta, Kansas (east of Wichita) and some 580 km (!) from the fall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPDoZYfH4ko and another from a dashcam near Edmond, OK, north of Oklahoma City: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPb7jrtX4p0 Pat Branch was successful in contacting the driver of this car who provided his exact location. There are numerous landmarks in this video that allowed me to determine reasonably accurate starting and ending directions. Triangulating this video with the one from Euless led to a fairly steep fireball entry angle and a nearly due west trajectory. However, upper atmospheric winds were relatively strong (over 100 mph to the southeast,) and not surprisingly this is the trend we see in the radar returns. All that remained was to get an accurate time for the event so that meteorite masses could be estimated (based on the time delay between the fall and when various radar volumes were scanned). Unfortunately, none of the three videos above has a sufficiently accurate timetag. But here again Pat came to the rescue. Rob Ferguson (the provider of the Edmond, OK dashcam) emailed Pat telling him that the fireball was also captured by the Oklahoma Dept. of Emergency Management's tower cam, and that a friend of his (Putnam Reiter) works there and pulled the video for him. This has a great, unobstructed view of the event, being up on a tower some 200 feet! Most importantly, it has a very accurate timetag, being regularly synced with a NTP server. So we now knew the beginning of the event was at 3:44:08 UT (21:44:08 CST). I determined that the earliest radar returns of the fall were from Amarillo NEXRAD at 3:45:49.7, just 99 seconds after the beginning of dark flight (~21:44:11 UT). This was how we knew meteorites were on the ground for sure, since dust or even small pebbles can't fall that far in less than 2 minutes. Anyway, this is getting a bit long and I want to get these details out there sooner rather than later in order to credit some of the important players that made this all happen. Hopefully it gives you a sense of the amount of detective work goes into chasing down these falls, and how much of a team effort it is. Cheers! Rob __ __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lake Eyre meteorite 'Crown property', researchers required to hand findings over
Hey Galactic Stone, why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel? ;-) Did this line in that article hit you too close to home: "Professor Bland said he suspects there are amateur astronomers who are frustrated by legislation requiring them to hand back their discoveries from outer space." I find the phrase "hand back" interesting. If you accept that this meteorite was "stolen from the Queen", then the only legal recourse for Professor Bland is for him to take that meteorite back out to the Queen's Outback and shove it back into that muddy hole from which it was purloined. If you want it so bad, you know where it is? I think this would be a great opportunity for a group discussion comparing the Queen's "policies" relating to how meteorite finds are handled in Australia vs. Canada vs. England vs. U.S. public lands. Personally, I vote that the U.S. adopt the "policy" version that the Canadian's enforce. It's proven that it works! Galactic Stone is right. It's time to refute the insane rhetoric that a recently fallen meteorite is an "artifact". Insanity! On Fri, 1/15/16, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lake Eyre meteorite 'Crown property', researchers required to hand findings over To: "Tommy" Cc: "Meteorite List" Date: Friday, January 15, 2016, 7:50 AM More hogwash. The inbox is full of it this morning. "Scientific value" - "sitting on the mantlepiece" - "black market" This kind of piece belongs in the National Enquirer. Dr. Grguric should get together and drink kool-aid with Lindfors and the new World Record Martian Loon. They all have the same level of intelligence apparently. On 1/15/16, Tommy via Meteorite-list wrote: > http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-15/lake-eyre-meteorite-'crown-property'/7091562 > > Regards! > > Tom > __ __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: End of Year Sale - Nevada Fall (L6)
Yes, it's Nevada's first and only witnessed fall: Battle Mountain (L6) Taking offers on a 25.7g complete slice with 2/3 of edge fusion-crusted. 5cm X 4cm X 0.35cm -- See links to images, below. Year-end Sale ending at midnight tomorrow. Yes, 12PM PST 31Dec2015 Happy New Year! Have you heard the phrase, "A bird in the hand is worth more than two in a bush"? Well, Creston (another L6-fall) is that zero-in-a-bush meteorite. Doesn't look like anymore Creston will be coming onto the market any time soon, let alone come down in price! So, why wait? Make BaM your "bird-in-the-hand" meteorite. Make an offer. http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/BaM24card25g.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/BaM24oppside25g.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/BaM011355auto.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/BaM012615lab1.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/BaM012615lab2.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/BaM24fuscrust25g.jpg Side-by-side comparison, there is no difference between BaM and Creston. Still time to make your "Best Deal" for 2015. Have a Great New Year - 2016, Bob V. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Introducing the Worlds Newest Meteorite fall -Creston
Congrats to Robert Ward for his persistence and diligence in researching this fall. It was well-earned and deserving that he should make the first find. The only thing that I can add to this thread is that (over on facebook) Marc Fries has given credit to Rob Matson for doing the lions-share of crunching-out the numbers regarding the astrometry for this fall. I'm not subscribed to facebook and can't supply a link, but there is an informative thread over there, if you can access it. Hadn't seen Rob's name mentioned here, so felt compelled to mention his name, AND point-out the obvious, that Doppler-weather radar appears to be working again! Hallelujah!!! Bob V. On Thu, 11/19/15, Sean T. Murray via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Introducing the Worlds Newest Meteorite fall -Creston To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2015, 10:59 AM Robert Ward is in the field in California, and asked me to pass this along to the list! He recovered the first stone from the fall, and is continuing his expedition. Make sure to click the link below to see the story, along with photos from Robert on his Website, robertwardmeteorites.com... -- On October 23, 2015, at 0547 UTC, a large fireball lit up the rolling hills of wine country east of Paso Robles. The bolide stunned onlookers with a multitude of colors as it broke up into many pieces. The magnitude of the fall was so great that the spectacle was even observed several states away. Dozens of witnesses close to the ground path heard sonic booms shortly after the fireball terminated. By the next day, the American Meteor Society had received over 120 reports. At first I was confused by what I saw in the data in the various AMS reports. As I sorted through a number of eye witness descriptions, it was soon clear that there were two events near to one another, both in distance and in time. I began working through the reports from the larger event individually, narrowing down the area to San Luis Obispo County. And focusing on eye witness reports in this area, I found one report in particular that caught my attention. The eye witness reported what sounded "like bombs falling," and that the meteor had passed directly overhead. I contacted Marc Fries with the location and suggested the fall was probably within a few miles of the eye witnesses location. Within minutes, Marc found radar returns in the area that corresponded with the time of the event. On October 27th, my wife Anne Marie and I arrived in the area under the returns Marc Fries had discovered. Within twenty minutes, we found a stone that had hit a metal fence post and shattered, showering the road embankment with fragments. We recovered 395.7 grams of material from the site and subsequently reassembled the majority of the stone. -- More here, with pictures: http://robertwardmeteorites.com/creston-california/ We'll be posting more pictures, information and details on the expedition as the hunt progresses. Sean Murray __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Very Bright Fireball Over Europe on Halloween Night
Yes Doug, I agree with you. In fact, I witnessed the very scenario you described. It was a long duration (earth-grazing) fireball that I was lucky enough to catch early-on in its flight. While it was at high elevation the fireball was a bright-blue ball with a greenish coma. As it streaked down to the horizon, it changed to a greenish-yellow flame, and as it approached the horizon it became a much dimmer, reddish sparkler. The flight-path gave me the distinct impression that the fireball was travelling away from me, much more than it was travelling downward. This helped me rationalize that the fireball hadn't really "dimmed" in brightness at the horizon. I was sure that it was just as bright and bluish-green for any lucky observers down-range and who were directly beneath the fireball, at the same point in its flight-path where I perceived it as being "reddish". Just as you worded it, Doug, the color changed "the same way that the sun can appear red at sunset, viewed at a low angle through more atmosphere." So, were in agreement then, that color AND magnitude are in the eye [and view angle] of the beholder. Bob V. On Wed, 11/4/15, Doug Ross via Meteorite-list To: "Meteorite List" Cc: "Matson, Rob D." Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2015, 7:25 PM Thanks for the very informative and interesting discussion. Could the altitude, angle and distance from which a meteor is viewed also affect perceived color? Seems to me that the air between the fireball and the witness might significantly filter the colors, in the same way that the sun can appear red at sunset, viewed at a low angle through more atmosphere. Doug Ross > HI All, > > Marco took the words out of my mouth. Getting tired of hearing that a green > meteor tells you anything about its composition. I know that it's natural > for people to think the most important thing they can report about a meteor > is its color, but I wish various broadcast media would do the public a > service and disabuse them of this notion. It would be far better if witnesses > could be trained to get in the habit of counting the duration accurately, > and noting the exact time of the meteor to the nearest minute. Seeing as > how almost everyone has a cell phone these days, and all cell phones have > accurate clocks, there really is no excuse to get the time wrong. Yet even > a casual browse of the AMS fireball site reveals that people clearly don't > think getting the time right is important. And even more obvious is that > most people have no business reporting anything about fireball starting > and ending bearings and elevation angles. --Rob > > -Original Message- > From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] > On Behalf Of Marco Langbroek via Meteorite-list > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 12:06 AM > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Very Bright Fireball Over Europe on Halloween > Night > >> A lot of folks say it looked green to them, which means it may have been >> metallic; > > > It is a perpetuated misunderstanding that meteor colours are primarily due > to > their composition. It's a science myth inspired by High School Bunsen burner > experiments that appears hard to kill. > > While composition in some cases does have some influence on the colour, it > is > actually the composition of the atmosphere that is usually dominant for our > perception of meteor colours. > > That certainly is true for green colours. Meteor spectra show that meteors > usually are very strong at the "forbidden" Oxygen line at 5577 Angstrom > (557.7 nm). > This line is due to atmospheric Oxygen, the same atmospheric Oxygen > exitation line also responsible for the green colours of Aurora. > > So green meteor colours are likely atmospheric in origin and say little > about the meteoroids' composition. > > - Marco > > - > Dr Marco (asteroid 183294) Langbroek > Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) > > e-mail: d...@marcolangbroek.nl > http://www.marcolangbroek.nl __ __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Time for change - here in US (was, Re: something about Las Vegas)
Hi Sonny, Apparently, you haven't read any of my articles where I clearly pointed to the top of the pyramid where the funding for meteorite studies are rationed-out, and why there is a lack of funding for classifying US meteorites. I commiserate with the classifiers on this lack of funding and in no way am I laying any guilt on them. I well understand that no US researcher can come forward as a benefactor in this current situation. My offer of US chondrite type-specimen was actually directed to researchers outside of the USA. Again, that was stated in my article, as well. Your defense of US geochemists is commendable, but unnecessary in this instance. I don't need to ask their position on this funding matter. It's well documented. But maybe we should also ask the opinion of other researchers, maybe even outside of the MetSoc. Maybe even outside of the USA. Ask them what they think about us not recording or documenting (let alone not classifying) newly found meteorites. Researchers like those that are studying the rate of influx and number of falls per unit area. And other researchers such as those that are interested in knowing exactly how many small meteoroids are flying around in the vicinity of our astronauts. We should ask all of them. We should ask all the stakeholders. Even US taxpayers, who are stakeholders as well, because I'm sure they are assuming their tax dollars are being spent wisely on protecting them from meteoroids hitting them. I'm sure all of these various people are counting on us to do our job in this regard, and not to literally ignore found meteorites. I've been waiting for one of the other old-timers to make this realization and make a comment, but I'm getting more impatient as I get older. So, I'll say it now. It wasn't that long ago that we, as US meteorite-hunters, were thanking our lucky stars that we didn't have to deal with all of the stifling regulations that our comrades in Australia and Canada were having to put-up with. But they made some crucial adjustments in their culture and now those countries are experiencing a golden age in meteorite-recovery. It's amazing how fast things have turned 180 degrees. Bob V. P.S. - please allow me to update this table of recovery data: Stewart Valley - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 6 different classifications, only the H6 and L6 are paired. Where's the beef? Tungston Mountain - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 10 are unpaired, the eight H4s are probably paired. Still no justification for a complaint. Lucerne Valley - over120 meteorites, CK are the majority of the 66 classifieds, but there were 5 unique classes in the first 7 finds, 9 in 12, 10 in 15. Coyote Dry lake - over 350 recorded finds, only 82 are in MBD, so far 56 of these are classified. >8 unique classes. No one has done a pairing study. Stump Springs 130 field-numbered finds, only 84 provisional numbers, only 1 classified find. No strewn-field data is published. Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of fragments, and only one classification. Worlds only one meteorite dry lake! Was there any strewn-field data recorded? There still is no estimate of how many original masses formed all of these clusters of fragments, or their locations. This is one big fuster cluck. On Tue, 9/15/15, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind. To: raremeteori...@centurylink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 1:53 PM Hi Bob, Adam and List, >This is a concern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to >write on this subject in three separate articles, which essentially said, >"Hey, here are some US chondrites that need to be classified." >Still haven't received any offers deleted Stewart Valley TBR plus finds finds, Tungston Mountain TBR meteorites/ fragments Lucerne Valley 124 meteorites Coyote Dry lake 341 meteorites Stump Springs 130 plus meteorites Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of fragments more deletions __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.
No Larry, There actually is a problem. John's "opinion" is a common misconception that I even held until I personally learned of this recent trend. This is a concern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to write on this subject in three separate articles, which essentially said, "Hey, here are some US chondrites that need to be classified." Still haven't received any offers. My request still stands. I would like to hear from people with recent experience in this area that can point me in the direction of a cheap classifier that still accepts small, ordinary chondrites. I suspect when I find one it will be outside the US. Bob V. On Tue, 9/15/15, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find. To: bigjohns...@mail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 5:28 AM Hi John, List, You may be right about not having a problem getting a US chondrite classified, however, if it was found in the Mojave desert it is likely to get a number instead of a name. Unfortunately, Nom Com will likely lump it in with the nearest DCA, I'm wondering how much longer it will be before the entire Mojave desert is one big DCA like NWA? Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list To: mstreman53 Cc: Meteorite Mailing List Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 5:07 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find. I'd love to see a photo also, but I live in Philadelphia so I won't be seeingthis in person. :-) That aside,I'm assuming from your post that this is a"chondrite" native to the USA, and not just another NWA. I have about 25 NWA'sundergoing classification now, and I have more I'd like to get classified but itis indeed hard to find a lab that will work on NWAs that look like obvious OCs. I think that is a mistake on their part, because there are so many uniquethings to be found in meteorites. In my opinion, many labs would thinkdifferently about a "native" US chondrite, than an NWA chondrite. I do notthink you will have trouble finding a home for it if it is a USA find. Cheers,John Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 at 5:47 PMFrom: "MEM viaMeteorite-list" To: "Meteorite MailingList" Subject: [meteorite-list] Local toLas Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.I am in contact with a Las Vegasresident who has, by all appearances fair-sized, fresh chondrite. If you arewilling and able to inspect in person and get her stone into the system, pleasesend me your contact information for forwarding. Pics onrequest.Regards,Elton __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.
I agree with Michael. I frequently get similar requests from people needing their "chondrite" authenticated and "placed into the system". Not much of a problem getting their stone identified, but the owners are becoming more and more dismayed by the increasing difficulty finding someone to classify a chondrite, not to mention the expense. The second part of that request is getting harder and harder to guarantee to a prospective client. Hey Elton, if you get lucky and find a benefactor that can get " a stone into the system" on the cheap, then please share that with me. I've got a long line of orphaned OCs that need to be classified, and to go into the MetBull Database. Bob V. On Mon, 9/14/15, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find. To: "MEM" Cc: "Meteorite Mailing List" Date: Monday, September 14, 2015, 2:59 PM An in person inspection is easy to promise, but unless one is an accredited lab doing the classification then there can be no guarantees made to that regard. I'm a few hours from Vegas and get that way often. Feel free to email me some picts and if I can I'll take a look some day, but I know there are several Vegas residents who would also know what they're looking at. Michael in so. Cal. On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 2:47 PM, MEM via Meteorite-list wrote: > I am in contact with a Las Vegas resident who has, by all appearances > fair-sized, fresh chondrite. If you are willing and able to inspect in person and get her stone into the system, please send me your contact information for forwarding. Pics on request. > > Regards, > Elton > __ > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Helpful Tips For Nuking An Asteroid
A recent article about the importance of knowing the composition and physical properties of asteroids. And as I have always said, we need to know everything we can learn from all of the meteorites (large and small) that we can find and study, as well as their rate of influx: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/08/150803-space-nasa-asteroids-comets-nuclear-weapons-defense/?utm_source=NatGeo Extracted from the article: [Quote] Nor do we have experience using a weapon of mass destruction as a precision instrument. We would need to know the ideal proximity and yield of the explosive device, as well as the asteroid’s physical properties. Is it porous and rocky, or dense and metallic, such as the 150-foot-wide iron-nickel object that fell to Earth 50,000 years ago, creating the nearly mile-wide Meteor Crater in Arizona? In other words, how does one nuke an asteroid and make sure to obliterate it so thoroughly that the bits won't kill us like a shotgun blast? When scientists debate methods for blowing up asteroids, they speak in terms of “energy coupling”—how much of the explosive energy is transferred to the target, and the effect of that energy as it travels through the asteroid. And that’s why the composition of an asteroid can be crucial. [unquote.] Bob V. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Salinas man finds meteorites in Nevada
Just in case you were wondering, If you try to search in the Met Bulletin Database for "Misfit Flats", it will result in "No Matches Found". You will have to type-in the correct name for the locality, "Misfits Flat" in order to get results for Misfits Flat 001 & 002. This is a rare case where a Nevada dry lake was named after a movie, "The Misfits" (1961, dir. John Huston). Many people questioned why this movie was shot in black&white, but I like to think that, since so many scenes were shot at this location, the harsh light of the dry lake forced the issue: http://tinyurl.com/oa6a6ru Bob V. On Mon, 8/17/15, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: [meteorite-list] Salinas man finds meteorites in Nevada To: "Meteorite Central" Date: Monday, August 17, 2015, 12:40 PM Hello Listers Great read, enjoy :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html Website http://meteoritefalls.com Salinas man finds meteorites in Nevada Scott Harlan 7:38 a.m. PDT August 15, 2015 My interest in geology probably started with my father who was a petroleum geologist. We would go to gem and mineral shows together and look at all of the spectacular specimens. Later as an adult, our family often incorporated some kind of rock hounding in our vacations. We hunted for fossil fish in Wyoming, trilobites in Utah and Herkimer diamonds in New Jersey. This was something everyone in our family could do with really equal chances of success regardless of age. There is a sense of discovery when you find something that no man has ever seen before. In 2011, there was a witnessed meteorite fall near Sutter’s Mill in California. It was a large fireball and the speeding meteorite fragments appeared on weather radar, so there was good definition for where to look for meteorites on the ground. My brother and I went up to Lotus, an unincorporated community in El Dorado County, and searched for a couple days, but we did not find anything. Many people did find meteorites from that fall, however, and this sparked my interest in meteorite hunting. Source: http://www.thecalifornian.com/story/life/2015/08/15/salinas-man-finds-meteorites-nevada/31775177/ __ __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Methane detected in meteorites adds fuel to life on Mars theories
Here is a link to the actual abstract/paper: http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/150616/ncomms8399/full/ncomms8399.html "Evidence for methane in Martian meteorites" - by Nigel J. F. Blamey, John Parnell, Sean McMahon, Darren F. Mark, Tim Tomkinson, Martin Lee, Jared Shivak, Matthew R. M. Izawa, Neil R. Banerjee & Roberta L. Flemming ABSTRACT: "The putative occurrence of methane in the Martian atmosphere has had a major influence on the exploration of Mars, especially by the implication of active biology. The occurrence has not been borne out by measurements of atmosphere by the MSL rover Curiosity but, as on Earth, methane on Mars is most likely in the subsurface of the crust. Serpentinization of olivine-bearing rocks, to yield hydrogen that may further react with carbon-bearing species, has been widely invoked as a source of methane on Mars, but this possibility has not hitherto been tested. Here we show that some Martian meteorites, representing basic igneous rocks, liberate a methane-rich volatile component on crushing. The occurrence of methane in Martian rock samples adds strong weight to models whereby any life on Mars is/was likely to be resident in a subsurface habitat, where methane could be a source of energy and carbon for microbial activity." In other words, the subsurface of Mars is like a dining table with all of the necessary settings and the food ready and waiting. Another title for this post could read as, "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?" Enjoy the read, Bob V. http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2010/mar10.htm On Thu, 6/18/15, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: [meteorite-list] Methane detected in meteorites adds fuel to life on Mars theories To: "Meteorite Central" Date: Thursday, June 18, 2015, 3:22 PM Hello Listers I think the question is when will life be detected, I have a hunch and think there was life on Mars in the past, it comes down to proof :) Enjoy Shawn Alan CTVNews.ca Staff Published Thursday, June 18, 2015 10:48AM EDT A team of Canadian, Scottish and U.S. researchers says they have discovered traces of methane in meteorites from Mars -- a possible clue in the search for life on the Red Planet. The researchers examined samples from six Martian meteorites that had fallen to Earth. The team crushed the rocks and then analyzed the gases that emerged using a mass spectrometer. The meteorites were found to contain gases similar to the composition of the Martian atmosphere; they also contained methane. LINK: http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/methane-detected-in-meteorites-adds-fuel-to-life-on-mars-theories-1.2428568 __ __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fossil Meteorite Video
To Shawn and List, Yes, an interesting video. But, This is not the original video! Here is the original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aEdhZP8g-s I don't know who "Linda Ryan" is but that person is using someone else's video to promote their erroneous opinion that there are fossils in meteorites. "Linda Ryan" has nothing to do with "Brain Scoop" or the people that made this video. Bob V. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Son of Man
The following text is from Dr. Alan Rubin we're still trying to work out a html-to-text conversion problem hope this makes it to the Met-List. (You can charge me for this AD; I still have one more to my credit;-) Bob V. ***+___ It may offend some, but my new novel is available for purchase on Amazon and on Kindle. It is called: Son of Man: A Personal Memoir by Yehoshuah ben Yahweh, Translated and Edited by Arthur Melton and Monica Wheatley Here is the description: The jury is still out -- this memoir, hidden in an Egyptian cave for 2000 years, could be a literary forgery. It purports to be the only extant piece of writing penned by Jesus Christ. Most of the traditional Gospel stories and parables are here, but in nearly every case, the implied lessons differ dramatically from those in the New Testament. The author shows himself to be a charismatic, often ruthless, Jewish nationalist intent on expelling the Romans from Judaea. Jesus befriends the illusionist Simon Magus, who shows him how to stage healings. He recruits the apostle Paul as a double agent and crosses rhetorical swords with Alexandrian and Roman philosophers. He performs astounding deeds: he appears to walk on water and seems to raise Lazarus from the dead. His militia launches guerrilla attacks against Roman caravans while his disciples dispatch perfidious tax collectors. All this in preparation for a daring Passover rebellion. This is a bold story of religious fundamentalism, cynical manipulation and political violence, all written with a touch of humor. Everyone should buy a copy or two. They make great post-Easter gifts. Alan -- Alan Rubin Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics Department of Earth, Planetary, and Space Sciences University of California 3845 Slichter Hall 603 Charles Young Dr. E Los Angeles, CA 90095-1567 USA office phone: 310-825-3202 fax: 310-206-3051 e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html *** __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted: Saffordites/Colombianites
Hello Matija, Please report back to the list should any of your specimens NOT bubble-up when heated-up in a microwave oven. Here are some other "tektite tests": http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2003/January/Jims_Fragments.htm http://tektitesource.com/Tektite_tests.html Bob V. On Thu, 2/19/15, matija bericic via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanted: Saffordites/Colobianites To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, February 19, 2015, 3:07 AM Dear members, I am looking fo Saffordites and Colombianites (also called Americanites). I know you will say they are not tektites, but I want them anyway to check it by myself. Photos and offers on: matija.beri...@gmail.com Thank you, Matija __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball over PA
Thanks for posting this to the List, John. Those that are not subscribed to facebook might have missed this discussion. Having a lot of relatives in this part of PA, I'm very familiar with this area. But, this area has had a long history of visitations from "out there" in space, and has become a localized hot-bed for ufologists. Starting with: http://www.debunker.com/Kecksburg.html The Kecksburg, Pennsylvania "UFO Crash" - actually the Great Lakes Fireball of December 9, 1965 -- then http://preview.tinyurl.com/np5xeor and http://preview.tinyurl.com/mx6hyv9 and just plain strange, http://www.strangeusa.com/Viewlocation.aspx?id=46764 http://preview.tinyurl.com/npq4m8a Waiting for word from the locals when the snow will start to melt. Bob V. On Thu, 2/19/15, J Sinclair via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball over PA To: "Meteorite List" Date: Thursday, February 19, 2015, 5:35 AM Video and animation at: http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/18/805/giant-fireball-over-pittsburgh-video "A 500-pound space rock about two feet in diameter entered the Earth's atmosphere outside of Pittsburgh last night, according to NASA. The object, detected by three NASA meteor cameras, was moving at a speed of 45,000 miles per hour. Visibility was lost at an altitude of 13 miles, but the space agency speculates that fragments, or meteorites, might be found on the ground east of Kittanning, PA. NASA posted this animation from the meteor's perspective showing its trajectory as it raced towards western Pennsylvania."... John S. __ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson
Recently returned from a mineralogy symposium and every speaker commented on the problem with the BLM and Forest Service obstructing their field research. But that is off-topic. What is on-topic, and where more discussion needs to be done, is how these agencies are increasingly holding back meteorite researchers from conducting field work, by requiring more and more paperwork and permits. The next fall on public lands will find researchers unable to get to the strewn-field in a timely manner, because they will be mired in regulations. The primary concern of these .gov agencies seems to be in generating more and more paperwork. My first hand experience with the Nevada BLM is that they have little interest in meteorite-recovery and even less about meteorite-hunters removing a scant few pounds from the surface of the ground. They seem to have little interest in science, let alone hobbyists and their meteorites. So, it is no surprise that they have little concern about private property rights. Good luck in your battles protecting your rights. Bob V. -- On Feb 3, 2015, at 1:20 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote: I'm forwarding a message from the curator for the Ron Hartman Collection, that he will be in Tucson later this week and will be making available some specimens from that collection. Here is a short list of some of the specimens being offered for trade or sale: ID# 35) Clover Springs Mesosiderite 6.6255 g. V. Good Corner slice. (SMB) ID# 37) Bensour, Morocco Ordinary Chondrite, LL6 5.69 g. Individual. Fell 2-11-2002 ID# 49) Cleo Springs Ordinary Chondrite, H4 53.9 g. Good Slice ID# 55) Songyuan [label has printed: "Fuyu, (proposed name)"] Jilin, China Ordinary Chondrite, H5 13.75 g. Part-slice. Fell 8-15-1993 (ex. mhmeteorites) ID# 56) Hebron Stone H6 Brecciated 17.19 g. Good Part slice. Thayer Co. Nebraska ID# 70) Silver Dry Lake Ordinary Chondrite, L4 S2 W2 1.272 g. Good endcut, nice fusion crust. [On HOLD] ID# 79) Dar al Gani DaG 749 Carbonaceous Chondrite CO3 12.622 g. V. Good - Rectangular slice. ID#380) Sahara SAH 99433 OC Stone 56.86 g. V. Good thick complete slice. ID#875) Pallasovka Pallasite 11.0 g. V. Good quarter-circle slice. The curators contact information will not be known until after he arrives in Tucson. In the meanwhile, if you are interested in making an offer or trade, you can reply to me and I will relay your messages. Bob Verish __ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson
Yes, it is common knowledge that Ron's son, Jim, sold many of the meteorites from his father's collection. So, it MAY be that Jim was the executor of the estate, but in no way would I call Jim the "curator". But that is in the past. I'm just the messenger here, but what I do know for certain is that the owner of the R.N. Collection is Ron's wife, Petra Hartman. I know that she has designated (in a notarized letter) a friend of the family to be in charge of the collection. He has agreed in writing: that he "will not be paid for this work - not for labor, nor for expenses". This is the person that I am calling the present "curator". By the way, I am also volunteering my time and effort with this collection "pro bono" at the request of the curator (and as a friend of the family). So, forgive me if I show little patience with all of these distractions. Reader's of this List should take note that I have clearly stated what I know to be fact from those statements which are only "to the best of my knowledge". Too many posts to this List are stating conjecture and opinion (promoting an agenda) as if it were actual fact. This is not to reflect on those who have replied to this thread. But recent threads have been perfect examples. Personal agendas about the meteorite market, the Tucson Show, the BLM, and Nevada meteorites have been shown to have no basis in reality, let alone in fact. This is resulting in a great deal of misinformation. What I find worse is that obviously untrue statements are going unchallenged. With the sole exception of Mike Farmer, nobody is questioning these posts for their basis in fact. Whoa!! Just saw all of the replies about my post. Gotta go; no more time left for dispelling rumors... Bob V. On Tue, 2/3/15, Gmail via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson To: "Robert Verish" Cc: "Meteoritecentral List" Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2015, 7:11 AM The only actual "curator" would be Jim Hartman, Ron's son. I worked with Jim over the course of 12 months to acquire a large amount of the collection. I know of 3 other people who also bought from Jim. The only thing I am calling myself is grateful. A fair number of these pieces will remain in my collection forever like my 32.5kg Campo, 13kg Canyon Diablo found by Ron himself and 20g slice of Thiel Mountain an Antarctic pallasite, to name a few. My only regret is that I never got a chance to meet this great man. I have been selling some of his collection and will continue to do so. I will also continue to buy old collections, so if anyone is considering doing so then let me know. Best, Mendy Ouzillou On Feb 3, 2015, at 1:20 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote: I'm forwarding a message from the curator for the Ron Hartman Collection, that he will be in Tucson later this week and will be making available some specimens from that collection. Here is a short list of some of the specimens being offered for trade or sale: ID# 35) Clover Springs Mesosiderite 6.6255 g. V. Good Corner slice. (SMB) ID# 37) Bensour, Morocco Ordinary Chondrite, LL6 5.69 g. Individual. Fell 2-11-2002 ID# 49) Cleo Springs Ordinary Chondrite, H4 53.9 g. Good Slice ID# 55) Songyuan [label has printed: "Fuyu, (proposed name)"] Jilin, China Ordinary Chondrite, H5 13.75 g. Part-slice. Fell 8-15-1993 (ex. mhmeteorites) ID# 56) Hebron Stone H6 Brecciated 17.19 g. Good Part slice. Thayer Co. Nebraska ID# 70) Silver Dry Lake Ordinary Chondrite, L4 S2 W2 1.272 g. Good endcut, nice fusion crust. [On HOLD] ID# 79) Dar al Gani DaG 749 Carbonaceous Chondrite CO3 12.622 g. V. Good - Rectangular slice. ID#380) Sahara SAH 99433 OC Stone 56.86 g. V. Good thick complete slice. ID#875) Pallasovka Pallasite 11.0 g. V. Good quarter-circle slice. The curators contact information will not be known until after he arrives in Tucson. In the meanwhile, if you are interested in making an offer or trade, you can reply to me and I will relay your messages. Bob Verish __ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson
I'm forwarding a message from the curator for the Ron Hartman Collection, that he will be in Tucson later this week and will be making available some specimens from that collection. Here is a short list of some of the specimens being offered for trade or sale: ID# 35) Clover Springs Mesosiderite 6.6255 g. V. Good Corner slice. (SMB) ID# 37) Bensour, Morocco Ordinary Chondrite, LL6 5.69 g. Individual. Fell 2-11-2002 ID# 49) Cleo Springs Ordinary Chondrite, H4 53.9 g. Good Slice ID# 55) "Fuyu, (proposed name)" Jilin, China Ordinary Chondrite, H5 13.75 g. Part-slice. Fell 8-15-1993 (ex. mhmeteorites) ID# 56) Hebron Stone H6 Brecciated 17.19 g. Good Part slice. Thayer Co. Nebraska ID# 70) Silver Dry Lake Ordinary Chondrite, L4 S2 W2 1.272 g. Good endcut, nice fusion crust. ID# 79) Dar al Gani DaG 749 Carbonaceous Chondrite CO3 12.622 g. V. Good - Rectangular slice. ID#380) Sahara SAH 99433 OC Stone 56.86 g. V. Good thick complete slice. ID#875) Pallasovka Pallasite 11.0 g. V. Good Quarter circle slice. The curators contact information will not be known until after he arrives in Tucson. In the meanwhile, if you are interested in making an offer or trade, you can reply to me and I will relay your messages. Bob Verish __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Karoonda specimens larger than 2grams
Hello All, Hope everyone is having a pleasant and apparently quiet weekend. This post is directed to those of us who have specimens of Karoonda (CK4) in their collection that are greater than 2grams. I realize that it is highly unlikely that none are available, but I am curious how many >2g specimens are still surviving in our collections? I've made a statement in my Karoonda auction that my 2.45g specimen is probably the largest fragment made available in quite a long time, and I'm curious if there are any specimens even close to that size in personal collections. Feel free to contact me off-List if you prefer, Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Finding organic compounds is not proof life has been found on Mars
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Re: [meteorite-list] M 009
Hi Bernd and All, Thanks for the many leads and suggestions that you have given me, Bernd, but I'm starting to accept the possibility that the "M" (with a line through it) signifies that it is a "Meteor-wrong". :-( Which would explain why it was in the Ron Hartman Collection without a label. The negative evidence against that supposition is that M001. thru M008. are nowhere to be found. But this "M009." may have been the best of the lot; a real "keeper". The kind that you save for those games of one-up-man-ship when the hunters sit around the campfire and talk about the heartbreakers that didn't pan-out. "You think that ones purrty, take a gander at this beauty, boys!" If I'm at a dead-end on this one, I guess I'll have to make a thin-section to confirm ID. But then again, if I convince myself that this is just a limy siltstone with a small patch of psilomelane coating the exterior, a cheaper/quicker method of IDing would be to take a small chip and dissolve the carbonate matrix in acid, then examine whatever silicate grains remain under a microscope. I expect I'll see quartz. :-( In any case, I'll report back the results to satisfy anyone's remaining curiosity. And yes, of course, I will cancel my "M009. auction" : http://tinyurl.com/pclbfg2 Again, thanks to everyone for their ID help with the label, and for those in the US Happy Thanksgiving, Bob V. On Thursday, November 27, 2014 3:17 AM, Bernd V. Pauli via Meteorite-list wrote: > > >Could the "M" stand for one of these persons? > >Mike Martinez >Mike Miller > >Cheers, > >Bernd > > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] M_009.
Today at 8:14 PM I agree with Michael Farmer. Agoult is way fresher than this specimen. I was hoping that Michael would chime-in because I know that a lot of Agoult has gone through his hands. And Bernd has been writing to me off-List trying to help me get this stone ID'd. He recognized that my specimen was too weathered to be Agoult. And Bandli has spent a lot of time trying to match the label-style. Still no luck. Got a lot of replies off-List. I want to thank everyone for their efforts in helping me get an answer. I'm getting desperate. The next time you see this stone, it may be on eBay - with the hope that someone will identify the label and what collection this stone originated - but it will be intentionally priced very high, with the hope that no one will bid on it! Probably will get some complaints about me doing that, but like I said, I'm trying everything. Again, this is an Anti-AD - DON'T bid on this auction. Hope I don't owe Art any money for this Anti-AD. Bob V. On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:04 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list wrote: > > >No chance that's agoult, could be similar but not paired. I owned a lot of >agoult. > >Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 26, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Bernd V. Pauli via Meteorite-list >> wrote: >> >> Hello Bob, Moni, List, >> >> I concur. It sure does look like a eucrite, and, >> if it is very friable, it might even be Agoult or >> an Agoult pairing! >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Bernd >> >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] M_009.
Good afternoon All, Requesting your help in getting additional information about a specimen which has a label with this: " M 009. " ?? (Please see links to images of this label.) http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/misplaced/m_009_a.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/misplaced/m_009_b.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/misplaced/m_009_c.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/misplaced/m_009_d.jpg The specimen is 49.14g and appears to be a weathered desert rock with lichens growing on it, and if it actually is a meteorite, it looks like it could be an unbrecciated eucrite, The label doesn't appear to be recently made and looks legit. Comments please, Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach
uot;authenticity" opens up a very deep rabbit hole. > > Perhaps a better motto would be "satisfaction guaranteed" - and even > that can be problematic if the member in question resigns and runs > without giving a refund. Would the buyer be satisfied with such a > result? > > Like I said before, I think the IMCA is a good idea and serves a good > purpose in the community. However, they should be careful when > issuing statements such as "authenticity guaranteed" because > determining authenticity requires extensive analysis by reputable > scientists in a lab stocked with millions of dollars worth of > high-tech equipment. > > Best regards and Happy Huntings, > > MikeG > > -- > - > Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone > Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone > - > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/23/14, Robert Verish wrote: >> Maybe Michael's questions are rhetorical, but I haven't read any > answers or >> replies. >> After all, in the past others have asked these same questions, and still >> never any satisfactory answers. >> >> But, allow me to answer the question of "how do you guarantee >> authenticity?", by stating the obvious: >> authenticity is established through well-documented provenance. >> >> Which leads me to question why chose Battle Mountain and NWA 869 to use as >> examples to prove your case. You couldn't pick two meteorites that > would be >> less supportive of the point you are trying to make. >> I'm not saying that there aren't too many NWA chondrites being > self-paired >> to NWA 869 for marketing convenience, but this is one that dealers somehow >> have maintained a respectable "batting average" with their > guessing. >> Besides, how many complaints are there? Who's expectations are not > being >> met when they purchase an uncut chondrite labeled as "NWA 869"? >> >> Battle Mountain! BaM is the best example of a well-documented, recent > fall. >> It has the shortest chain of provenance! It fell late 2012; it's > hunted >> and recovered by collectors and dealers; it's sold by those same > dealer's >> and BINGO, it's in your collection. Any questions? If so, don't > have very >> far to go to get answers. That's called "provenance". >> Who is "guaranteeing authenticity"? A quick search of > "Completed" eBay >> auctions shows only one meteorite dealer (Mendy) having sold a 3.9g >> partslice of BaM, where he clearly shows his source, the finder, by way of >> the original label. That's another example of provenance. >> >> But just because Michael used bad examples doesn't mean that the point > he is >> trying to make isn't valid. In fact, I think the majority of us agree > with >> him in principle. >> Yet, asking questions such, "How do I really know that it is Battle > Mountain >> and not one of hundreds of NWA L6 look-a-likes?" is very > counter-productive, >> to say the least. Given that other customers can ask those same question, >> it's akin to pouring gasoline over oneself and then volunteering to > light >> the ceremonial Burning-Man bon-fire. >> To satisfy my curiosity, I found a link to images of "hundreds of NWA > L6 >> look alikes": http://tinyurl.com/ksdmulw >> Now, compare those to these images of BaM (L6) : >> http://tinyurl.com/oukblbh >> >> Wow, never expected that my answer to a rhetorical question would be this >> long. >> Anyway, I should thank everyone for giving my this opportunity to talk once >> more about Battle Mountain. >> It has prompted me to relinquish 2 of my BaM specimens, and I've > uploaded >> them onto eBay. >> If it makes everyone happy, I WON'T "guarantee authenticity"! >> But I'm still going to guarantee your satisfaction, or your money back! >> (Isn't that really the only thing that IMCA can require of their > members? >> ;-) >> Bob V. >> >> On Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:01 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via >> Meteorite-list wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> Hi Jim and List, >>> >>> Pleas
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach
Maybe Michael's questions are rhetorical, but I haven't read any answers or replies. After all, in the past others have asked these same questions, and still never any satisfactory answers. But, allow me to answer the question of "how do you guarantee authenticity?", by stating the obvious: authenticity is established through well-documented provenance. Which leads me to question why chose Battle Mountain and NWA 869 to use as examples to prove your case. You couldn't pick two meteorites that would be less supportive of the point you are trying to make. I'm not saying that there aren't too many NWA chondrites being self-paired to NWA 869 for marketing convenience, but this is one that dealers somehow have maintained a respectable "batting average" with their guessing. Besides, how many complaints are there? Who's expectations are not being met when they purchase an uncut chondrite labeled as "NWA 869"? Battle Mountain! BaM is the best example of a well-documented, recent fall. It has the shortest chain of provenance! It fell late 2012; it's hunted and recovered by collectors and dealers; it's sold by those same dealer's and BINGO, it's in your collection. Any questions? If so, don't have very far to go to get answers. That's called "provenance". Who is "guaranteeing authenticity"? A quick search of "Completed" eBay auctions shows only one meteorite dealer (Mendy) having sold a 3.9g partslice of BaM, where he clearly shows his source, the finder, by way of the original label. That's another example of provenance. But just because Michael used bad examples doesn't mean that the point he is trying to make isn't valid. In fact, I think the majority of us agree with him in principle. Yet, asking questions such, "How do I really know that it is Battle Mountain and not one of hundreds of NWA L6 look-a-likes?" is very counter-productive, to say the least. Given that other customers can ask those same question, it's akin to pouring gasoline over oneself and then volunteering to light the ceremonial Burning-Man bon-fire. To satisfy my curiosity, I found a link to images of "hundreds of NWA L6 look alikes": http://tinyurl.com/ksdmulw Now, compare those to these images of BaM (L6) : http://tinyurl.com/oukblbh Wow, never expected that my answer to a rhetorical question would be this long. Anyway, I should thank everyone for giving my this opportunity to talk once more about Battle Mountain. It has prompted me to relinquish 2 of my BaM specimens, and I've uploaded them onto eBay. If it makes everyone happy, I WON'T "guarantee authenticity"! But I'm still going to guarantee your satisfaction, or your money back! (Isn't that really the only thing that IMCA can require of their members? ;-) Bob V. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:01 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list wrote: > > >Hi Jim and List, > >Please do not take this as a knock at the IMCA, because it is not >intended that way, and I certainly do want to experience the old >"shoot the messenger" syndrome again. > >How exactly does anyone "guarantee authenticity" in regards to meteorites? > >Let's look at a typical example that happens on a daily basis in the >meteorite community : > >If I am offered a specimen of Battle Mountain by a dealer. How do I >really know that it is Battle Mountain and not one of hundreds of NWA >L6 look-a-likes? Regardless of whether or not the seller is an IMCA >member, how can one guarantee authenticity of any specimen, unless >that particular specimen has been examined and analyzed by a reputable >scientist? > >I do not know of any dealers who have every batch of material they >acquire tested at a lab. They use a combination of faith in their >sources and hand-examination to determine if the material should be >offered. Sure, new unclassified material is analyzed to have it >classified and officially approved by Met Soc. But what about NWA >869? How many dealers have their NWA 869 analyzed prior to offering >it? If it is untested, then how can one make any guarantees? > >Best regards, > >MikeG >-- >- >Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com >Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone >- > > > > > >On 11/23/14, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list > wrote: >> Hello all! >> >> The IMCA has but one purpose, does it not? How can you possibly argue >> that??? >> It's for collectors, dealers and sellerspretty basic mission, >> Authenticity . Nothing wrong with that! >> And any kind of outreach by the IMCA very much appears to be a mistake >> in perception. >> The IMCA is not responsible for anything it's members do and probably >> should not take any credit for >> anything their individual members do as it implies responsibility. >> >> Li
Re: [meteorite-list] Still Arguing About Pluto
Pluto is a planet, and an infinite number of angels can dance on the head of a pin. Sorry for bringing up old debates, Bob V. On Friday, October 3, 2014 10:30 AM, Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list wrote: > > >Larry, > >And a dwarf star is still a small >star (whatever that means). > >This Dwarf-Star-thing is probly why >our planetary system Doan Get No >Respect and the Aliens never visit >us... except in certain regions of >The Internet. > >Sterling >-- >-Original Message- >From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On >Behalf Of Larry Lebofsky via Meteorite-list >Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 9:45 AM >To: Sterling K. Webb >Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Still Arguing About Pluto > >And the Sun is a dwarf star, Sterling. > >Larry >--- >> List, >> >> The argument about Pluto The Planet >> or Pluto The Small Body continues: >> http://www.travelerstoday.com/articles/12524/20141002/pluto-planet-aga >> in-sta tus-2014-still-undecided-astronomy-debate-ongoing.htm >> >> "The Harvard-Smithsonian Center for >> Astrophysics said in a press release >> that "a dwarf fruit tree is still a >> small fruit tree, and a dwarf hamster >> is still a small hamster." In order to convince others that Pluto is a >> planet again, the center held a debate Sept. 18 to figure out the pros >> and cons. They let the audience vote, and the audience agreed, >> therefore for them 'Pluto IS a planet again.'" >> >> Some quarrels never end... >> >> Sterling Webb >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ice-rafted rocks on "dry-lakes"
It's now official. We can stop calling them "sailing stones". New video shows that playa rocks are being barged across the lakebed. Apparently, wind-driven, floating sheets of ice are dragging or pushing the rocks leaving their "tracks" in the wet lakebed sediment. Photos in the article show tracks of rocks that make tight turns and circle back into the direction from which they had come. This shows that, in these cases, the rocks are locked into the ice-sheet. http://images.realclear.com/256104_5_.jpg Bob V. Information (and sources) forward for archival purposes: --- Forward Text --- Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 7:51:48 -0400 From: "Paul H." To: Rockhounds List Subject: [Rockhounds] ?Sailing Stones? of Death Valley Mystery Solved Mystery Solved: ?Sailing Stones? of Death Valley Seen in Action for the First Time (Thin sheets of ice push rocks across the desert when conditions are just right. Scripps Institution of Oceanography https://scripps.ucsd.edu/news/mystery-solved-sailing-stones-death-valley-seen-action-first-time?hash=3f42fa4a60340630b1fde436c4f177fe Mystery Of Death Valley's 'Sailing Stones' Has Finally Been Solved by Ryan Grenoble The Huffington Post, August 27, 2014 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/27/death-valley-sailing-stones-solved_n_5718827.html Mystery solved: The sailing stones of Death Valley by Michelle Starr, CNET, August 27, 2014 http://www.cnet.com/news/mystery-solved-the-sailing-stones-of-death-valley/ Finally! Secret of Death Valley?s ?Sailing Stones? Is Solved by Carl Engelking, Discover Magazine, Aug. 27, 2014 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2014/08/27/secret-behind-death-valleys-sailing-stones-revealed/ The paper is: Norris, J. D., J. M. Norris, R. D. Lorenz, J. Ray, and B. Jackson, 2014, Sliding Rocks on Racetrack Playa, Death Valley National Park: First Observation of Rocks in Motion. PLOS ONE. 9(8): e105948. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0105948 http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0105948 Yours, Paul H. -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sculpture by Katie Paterson
I still can't grasp the reason why the meteorite had to be melted. Would it have been any less "artistic" if, instead, the artist had melted leftover end-cuts/saw-cuttings/trimmings from other Campos and poured that into the mold? And if including these "handiworks of humanity" into the "compressing and merging" isn't what the artist had in mind, then I'm sure it's still a good idea, worthy of consideration by anyone with buckets of meteorite saw-cuttings and is still looking for an idea how to recycle this by-product. http://preview.tinyurl.com/k936s8w Bob V. "An artist is someone who produces things that people don't need to have but that she — for some reason — thinks it would be a good idea to give them." - Andy Warhol "We all know that Art is not truth. Art is a lie that makes us realize truth, at least the truth that is given us to understand. The artist must know the manner whereby to convince others of the truthfulness of his lies." - - Pablo Picasso On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:46 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote: > > >"Melting a meteorite and reforming it is a little bit like compressing >and merging together these layers of time, history and space. >Eventually I would like to send the meteorite back into Space," > >Replace "compressing and merging" with "destroying" and then you have >a valid statement. Once melted and reformed, referring to it as a >meteorite is no >longer correct. > >Michael in so. Cal. > >On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Peter Davidson via Meteorite-list > wrote: >> Dear Listoids >> >> I make no claim to be an expert on contemporary art/artists, nevertheless I >> have worked with a number of artists over the last few years in my role as a >> mineral curator for the National Museums and this has allowed me to get a >> glimpse of the way different artists devise, plan and execute their works. I >> haven't had the pleasure of working with Katie, but I do know her and I have >> met her and we have had some long discussions about meteorites and she does >> feature meteorites and space in her work a lot. So I feel I ought to give my >> angle on this as well as try and explain her work on the Campo using her own >> words. >> >> The original concept was formulated in around 2010/11 and the finished cast >> was exhibited in London in 2012. At about that time she gave an interview >> and the following quote is lifted directly from the published article: >> >> "...The artist domesticates the cosmos' immensity: she gives the >> unfathomable a human scale, putting it within our reach. "The cast meteorite >> will likely be placed on Exhibition Road (close to the Natural History >> Museum) in a discrete place, where people can sit around it and be able to >> touch it," she says. "Most meteorites have been travelling around space for >> over four and a half billion years. They are older than the Earth and are >> the oldest objects on Earth. I like the idea of this vast cosmic history >> embedded inside them. Melting a meteorite and reforming it is a little bit >> like compressing and merging together these layers of time, history and >> space. Eventually I would like to send the meteorite back into Space, though >> that might not be for many years." >> >> Well the many years have now past and Katie has send the recast meteorite >> into space. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Cheers >> >> Peter Davidson >> Senior Curator of Minerals >> >> National Museums Collection Centre >> 242 West Granton Road >> Edinburgh >> EH5 1JA >> 00 44 131 247 4283 >> p.david...@nms.ac.uk >> >> Discover the treasures of China's Ming dynasty at the National Museum of >> Scotland. >> Ming: The Golden Empire, 27 June-19 October 2014, >> www.nms.ac.uk/ming >> >> National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 >> This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the >> addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. >> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the >> author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. >> This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of >> Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that >> may be caused to your systems or data by this message. >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list
[meteorite-list] Fossils Found in Impact Glass
A short article, but it gave me much to "chew-on". But I still haven't swallowed: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25462#.U9gI1aZ0y70 Instant fossils found trapped in asteroid impact glass When asteroids strike Earth, it can mean death and destruction. But they can also be flashbulbs, capturing a freeze-frame record of life at the moment of impact. Peter Schultz of Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, and his colleagues examined two asteroid impact sites in the Chasicó and Mar del Plata regions in La Pampa, Argentina. They found the first examples of biological material locked in the glass that is instantly formed in the blast. This animation of 3D electron microscope scans show plant fragments that were pulled out of the impact glass for detailed analysis. The material was preserved in incredible detail, including structures down to the cellular level. Similar impact glass fossils, protected for eons under a blanket of Martian dust, could retain a record of ancient life on the Red Planet. [All sales of asteroid impact glass are hereby ] -- Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Greg Hupe & Nature's Vault, Inc. - Meteoritic Future Guaranteed!
On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 4:00 PM, "bolidecha...@yahoo.com" wrote: > > >Never in doubt in my mind. > >As ever, >Bob V. >Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > From: Greg Hupé via Meteorite-list ; >To: ; >Cc: ; >Subject: [meteorite-list] Greg Hupe & Nature's Vault,Inc. - Meteoritic >Future Guaranteed! >Sent: Tue, Jul 8, 2014 8:02:07 PM > > >Dear Meteorite Community, > >In recent months my brother, Adam, has publicly commented several times that >he has taken steps to take a break from meteoritics, including selling his >equipment except for perhaps one saw. I feel compelled to send this notice >since many people mistake Adam for me and vice-versa even though I have been >primarily working on my own for the last 10 years since I moved to Florida. > >While my brother has announced his break... I, Greg Hupe, strive to provide >the very best meteorites and customer service personally and through my >company, Nature's Vault, Inc. I am more engaged in all aspects of >meteoritics than ever before and look forward to working far into the future >to bring out more rare and exciting meteorites. I am here to stay and look >forward to working with like-minded individuals. I have many great friends >in all aspects of meteoritics and related fields such as space science and >travel. > >The Hupe name and Nature's Vault will continue to be an integral part of >meteoritics far into the future! > >Best Regards, >Greg Hupe > > >Greg Hupé >The Hupé Collection >gmh...@centurylink.net >www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog & Reference Site) >www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) >NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest & eBay) >http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault >http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault >IMCA 3163 > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] In memory of a good friend
Can't believe that it is already 1 year gone by since I received the bad news about my friend and fellow meteorite-hunter, John P. Wolfe http://www.imorial.com/JohnWolfe/ Gone too soon, but not too soon forgotten, Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - Steins (New Mexico)
You're welcome, Bernd! :-) With best regards, Bob V. P.S. - What Bernd knows but others may not, is that I had to donate a thin-section and the type-specimen (taken from the main-mass) in order to "get the ball rolling" again, after it had come to a terminal stand-still in the approval process. This goes to show that collectors have some influence in these matters, and if willing to make a sacrifice, can make a difference. On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 1:07 PM, Bernd V. Pauli wrote: Well, glad to hear that Steins is now official...at long last ;-) >I got my three small slices* from Michael Cottingham in February >2008 - that's 6 years ago! > >* 1.39 gr + 1.18 gr + 0.72 gr > >The 1.39 gr part slice has a large, dark gray chondrule measuring 3 mm. >The 1.18 gr slice shows a hollow where a chondrule must have been sitting. >The 0.72 gr curved slice sports two porphyritic chondrules (d = ca. 1 mm >each) close to each other. > >Best wishes, > >Bernd > > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay auctions Ending Soon - North American Meteorites
Hello All, There has been some confusion generated - the result of poor terminology and semantics. Hopefully, this image may help clear-up some of that misunderstanding: http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2014/sbw/sbw-jason-comparison.jpg Regards, Bob V. " bolide*chaser " - To Meteoritecentral List Yesterday at 12:50 PM For those collectors with an interest in North American meteorites, I would like to bring your attention to some "3-day" eBay offerings (ending soon): http://www.ebay.com/sch/bolide*chaser/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from= Hope you enjoy the images, Bob V. " bolide*chaser " __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay auctions Ending Soon - North American Meteorites
Okay then, lets try this link: http://www.ebay.com/sch/bolide*chaser/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from= or this one: http://www.ebay.com/usr/bolide*chaser I apologize if the link in the earlier post failed to work. I tested it and it worked for me, but not for anyone else!? Bob V. > On Monday, February 10, 2014 12:50 PM, Robert Verish > wrote: > > > For those collectors with an interest in North American meteorites, > I would like to bring your attention to some "3-day" eBay offerings > (ending soon): > > > http://www.ebay.com/sch/bolide*chaser/m.html > > Hope you enjoy the images, > Bob V. > " bolide*chaser " > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay auctions Ending Soon - North American Meteorites
For those collectors with an interest in North American meteorites, I would like to bring your attention to some "3-day" eBay offerings (ending soon): http://www.ebay.com/sch/bolide*chaser/m.html Hope you enjoy the images, Bob V. " bolide*chaser " __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay Steal Alert - North American Meteorite
For those collectors with an interest in North American meteorites, I would like to bring your attention to some eBay offerings (ending soon): Norton County (AUB) - fall - Fusion-crusted Impact-melt BRECCIA http://tinyurl.com/NortonCo Preview: http://www.ebay.com/sch/bolide*chaser/m.html?item=221358568338&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 These specimens came directly out of the University of New Mexico - Institute of Meteoritics. If Carl Agee hadn't personally handed these stones to me, I would have just tossed these scoriaceous rocks into my "slag" meteor-wrong collection! (A real eye-opener - lesson-learned;-) Just viewing the images of the light-colored fusion-crust will be well worth your time. Enjoy, Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Ad: North American meteorite - San Bernardino Wash (L5)
Apparently, you’re not the only one confused. I’ve been discussing this topic with some other people and they find this confusing, as well, and all have the same question: Why did the NomCom give you 1 name, instead of numbering each of the stones that Bob Perkins, Gary Crabtree, and Fred Mason found? These were all recovered over a wide area inside the San Bernardino Wash. I’m not saying that you did anything wrong (in fact, in my article I praised your informative submission to the Meteoritical Bulletin), and it is probably unfair to ask you a question about the NomCom and why they didn’t require that a DCA be formed, but it certainly does beg the question: What is the evidence that the first 3 or 4 stones are actually paired, and why did the NomCom not follow those very policy guidelines that you quoted earlier? Why is it, now, incumbent upon me to submit a request to the NomCom for SBWash 002 and for the formation of a DCA? Particularly, when they DO look similar. I only agreed that they weathered differently. I still contend that all of my fragments (which come from a single, several meter-wide patch formed by a splatter-impact) DO LOOK LIKE all the other stones recovered from the San Bernardino Wash. Among all of these splatter-fragments there was only one that weathered differently and “looked fresher” (on the inside). If you look at today’s MPOD you can see an image of a slice from that fresher looking fragment - http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=1/23/2014&WYD= And if you look at the “rollover photo”, I contend that, if the interior of the slice depicted were to weather just a little bit more and be a uniform orange-brown color, it would look just like the interior of your specimen (assuming it is one of the Crabtree stones that was classified). Again, I’m not saying that either of us have done anything “wrong”. In fact, I find very little, in principle that we are in disagreement. But I must admit to being curious how the NomCom would respond if I were to submit my two classifications. With best regards, Bob V. > On Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:45 AM, Jason Utas > wrote: > > Hello Bob, > I'm confused. I addressed that. You're saying that, because > they're > L5's, they are paired, despite the fact that they look different? > > Over 1/10 meteorites found is "L5." Seriously. Almost 5,000 approved > meteorites are L5s, out of ~48,000 total approved meteorites. If you > find a meteorite and you keep looking, there's a ~1/10 chance that the > next (new) meteorite you find will be an L5. > > The requirements are clear. "...[A] single (collective) name may be > given in cases where fragments fit together or similar-looking > fragments are found within a few meters of each other." > > "[S]imilar-looking fragments are found within a few meters of each > other." > > I don't really understand why you'd try to claim a pairing. Could > they be paired? Maybe. If you're arguing for the *possibility,* I > won't argue with you. There's a very small, but indisputable, chance. > Seems illogical to hedge your bet on it since they look so different, > though. > > Regards, > Jason > > www.fallsandfinds.com > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Robert Verish > wrote: >> I started to write a reply but then I realized that I was just repeating >> what I wrote earlier. >> So, I'll just reprint it here: >> >>> But, to directly answer your question, I would have to refer you to my >>> latest Meteorite-Times article: >>> http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2014/jan14.htm >>> for my description of how a cluster of obviously-paired fragments found > at >>> SBW had such a variation in "looks", >>> that it prompted me to sample a number of them and to actually have two > of >>> those fragments classified. >>> For your convenience, I'll show them here: >>> >>> Pinto Mountains -- (L6 S3 W1 Fa23.8+/-0.3% n=16; low-Ca pyroxene >>> Fs20.3Wo1.5 n=17)-- 1955 stone >>> San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S2 W3 Fa24.6+/-0.6% (n=7) -- (UCLA >>> type-specimen) -- 2010 stone >>> San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S1 W3 Fa24.0+/-0.2% (n=24) >>> -- 2012A fragment >>> San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S2 W1 Fa23.8+/-0.4% (n=14) >>> -- 2012B fragment >> >> 'Nuff said. >> Bob V. >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:51 PM, Jason Utas > >> wrote: >> >> Helo Bob, All, >> >>> I agree, they definitely look different. >> >> 'Nuff said. You could assum
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Ad: North American meteorite - San Bernardino Wash (L5)
My apologies to all on the List, I neglected to send my reply in "plain text", so you don't have the benefit of knowing what Jason is replying to. Here is reprint of that missing post: On Thursday, January 23, 2014 12:48 AM, Robert Verish wrote: I started to write a reply but then I realized that I was just repeating what I wrote earlier. So, I'll just reprint it here: >> But, to directly answer your question, I would have to refer you to my >> latest Meteorite-Times article: >> http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2014/jan14.htm >> for my description of how a cluster of obviously-paired fragments found at >> SBW had such a variation in "looks", >> that it prompted me to sample a number of them and to actually have two of >> those fragments classified. >> For your convenience, I'll show them here: >> >> Pinto Mountains -- (L6 S3 W1 Fa23.8+/-0.3% n=16; low-Ca pyroxene Fs20.3Wo1.5 n=17)-- 1955 stone >> San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S2 W3 Fa24.6+/-0.6% (n=7) -- (UCLA type-specimen) >> -- 2010 stone >> San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S1 W3 Fa24.0+/-0.2% (n=24) >> -- 2012A fragment >> San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S2 W1 Fa23.8+/-0.4% (n=14) >> -- 2012B fragment > > > >'Nuff said. > >Bob V. > > > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: North American meteorite - San Bernardino Wash (L5)
Yes Jason, I agree, they definitely look different. But what has me puzzled is something that is not all that apparent in our images. The exterior of our two stones. Your stone has a very well-preserved exterior (even though your interior is a uniformly-colored W3), whereas, my exterior (which is not visible in the image) is gone, actually eroded. Yet somehow, my stone's interior is less weathered than your stone (my stone was classified as "W1"). I wonder, if the interior of my stone were to weather to a "W3", just how much it would look like your stone? But, to directly answer your question, I would have to refer you to my latest Meteorite-Times article: http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2014/jan14.htm for my description of how a cluster of obviously-paired fragments found at SBW had such a variation in "looks", that it prompted me to sample a number of them and to actually have two of those fragments classified. For your convenience, I'll show them here: Pinto Mountains -- (L6 S3 W1 Fa23.8+/-0.3% n=16; low-Ca pyroxene Fs20.3Wo1.5 n=17)-- 1955 stone San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S2 W3 Fa24.6+/-0.6% (n=7) -- (UCLA type-specimen) -- 2010 stone San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S1 W3 Fa24.0+/-0.2% (n=24) -- 2012A fragment San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S2 W1 Fa23.8+/-0.4% (n=14) -- 2012B fragment This just might be a case of (very) micro-environments acting immediate to where each fragment is found, that is causing all of these differences. I'm open to any and all other explanations, Bob V. On Monday, January 20, 2014 2:48 PM, Jason Utas wrote: Hello Bob, All, >Just home from a hunt, haven't had the opportunity to reply until now. >I don't have photos of the other stone/fragments, but I do have a few >photos of SBW#1 on hand: > >http://meteoritegallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/DSCN7095.jpg > >http://meteoritegallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/DSCN7101.jpg > >http://meteoritegallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/comparison.jpg > >Is there any evidence for pairing beyond "equilibrated L?" As you can >see, that slice looks a bit different. >Regards, >Jason > >www.fallsandfinds.com > > > >On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Robert Verish wrote: >> For those collectors with an interest in North American meteorites, >> I would like to bring your attention to an eBay offering (ending soon) of a >> classified find from the California Mojave Desert: >> San Bernardino Wash (L5) >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/221353605398 >> >> >> This under-appreciated meteorite promises to become better-known now that >> additional field-work and research results are starting to appear on the >> Internet: >> >> https://www.google.com/#q=San+Bernardino+Wash+L5+meteorite+strewn-field >> >> Although the study of this area is too early to determine the possible TKW >> of this meteorite, >> it certainly will not rival Gold Basin (L4/6), but it promises to be the >> next "Trilby Wash". >> The specimens that I am offering are the remaining slices from the samples >> used to determine pairing. >> These two classifications confirmed their pairing to the SBW(L5) >> type-specimen held at UCLA. >> I will only be offering additional specimens for auction until the cost of >> this lab-work has been defrayed. >> But, as usual, I will continue to accept requests for samples by any >> interested researchers. >> >> Thank you for your interest, >> Bob V. >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: North American meteorite - San Bernardino Wash (L5)
For those collectors with an interest in North American meteorites, I would like to bring your attention to an eBay offering (ending soon) of a classified find from the California Mojave Desert: San Bernardino Wash (L5) http://www.ebay.com/itm/221353605398 This under-appreciated meteorite promises to become better-known now that additional field-work and research results are starting to appear on the Internet: https://www.google.com/#q=San+Bernardino+Wash+L5+meteorite+strewn-field Although the study of this area is too early to determine the possible TKW of this meteorite, it certainly will not rival Gold Basin (L4/6), but it promises to be the next "Trilby Wash". The specimens that I am offering are the remaining slices from the samples used to determine pairing. These two classifications confirmed their pairing to the SBW(L5) type-specimen held at UCLA. I will only be offering additional specimens for auction until the cost of this lab-work has been defrayed. But, as usual, I will continue to accept requests for samples by any interested researchers. Thank you for your interest, Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Global Shipping Program ?problems?
Hello All, and particularly for all of you sellers on eBay, I have a question. Is there a known (or a perceived) problem with the eBay Global Shipping Program? Should I avoid using it? I've received a request from a potential overseas bidder to revise my auctions and to not use eBay's Global Shipping Program. Here is the exact wording of the request: "Would you please consider not using the Global Shipping Program. You may not realise but this Program is a nightmare for Overseas buyers. $ out of 4 auctions I won with this Program the sellers all cancelled auctions and relisted under normal shipping as for some reason it always charges double for shipping and even charges sellers apparently. " Is this a legitimate request, or should I be suspicious? Bob V. eBay seller: bolide*chaser __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] grains of sand
Hi Paul, If what you're saying is true, then there are many many more meteors that we are not seeing (but would be visible to instruments more sensitive than are eyes, or to astronauts in Earth orbit that are closer to the "action"). I think that a grain of sand is large enough to ionize enough oxygen and nitrogen atoms to make the light phenomenon visible from the ground. (In the few, lucky times that I observed an actual meteor through the eyepiece of a telescope, I noticed that they had a peculisr appearance. I was struck by the two bands of diffuse light [probably ionized gas], one on each side of an extremely thin, bright line [the ablating meteor - IAU definiton]. These bands of light may have been a reflection off of thin clouds or high-altitude ice crystals, but in any case, it only adds to our ability to see a "grain of sand" meteor. I have the opposite opinion, as well, about a related matter. I feel that we over-estimate the percentage of material that is ablated away during the fireball/meteor phase. (Probably is too off-subject.) I also feel that the too-often-used phrase "nothing made it to the ground - it all burned-up" is too ill-informed. How is it physically possible for a cobble-pebble-sandgrain to continue traveling fast enough to completely ablate down to total nothingness? It's my opinion that (depending on altitude) for all sizes of incoming debris (even at cosmic-velocity) there is a certain retardation-point where, once it is reached, ablation can no longer occur. I would not be surprised if this minimum size is in the fine-pebble grain-size range, which is certainly still "findable". One way that this conjecture could be substantiated, is if there were actually a gap in the population of small meteorites between pebble and micro-spherule. Has this already been recorded in Antarctica? Out the door and on my way to Imperial County, Bob V. On Thursday, November 7, 2013 6:12 AM, Paul Gessler wrote: Was wondering about the statement that shooting stars we see are no bigger >than grains of sand??? >I here it used all the time and haven't really given it any thought. I >don't buy it! >I don't think a grain of sand would be able to generate enough light to be >visible from earth? >Has anyone actually measured these grains of sand? If so how was it done. >Where did this (factoid) >originate and is there any validity to it? >I could see gravel sized debris producing what we see but not sand and >smaller. > >Any one care to comment? > >Paul Gessler > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Southern California Meteorite & Tektite Club Meeting Photos
Hi Michael, Nice photos! Thanks for taking the time to share them with us. To answer your question about who was the person that took the Group Picture, that would be the one-and-only Richard Garcia, but everyone calls him "Rubin". Both Richard and Rubin are two of the nicest guys that you would ever want to meet, so fortunately there is no "drop-off" when their names get switched. But to save you a lot of trouble, the people's names that you are looking for, are called-out in my article (in this months Meteorite-Times) just under the Group Picture, which you can copy, if Richard gives you permission to use it. We should hold another CMC Party right after the Tucson Show, and we can each do a show & tell about all the neat items that we got at the Show (or won at your Auction;-). There should be a lot of people sticking around after Tucson, and hopefully they could make it to San Diego for the Party, as well. Party hearty, Bob V. > > From: Michael Blood >To: Meteorite List >Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 6:58 PM >Subject: [meteorite-list] Southern California Meteorite & Tektite Club >Meeting Photos > > >Hi All, > Thought some of you might get a kick out of seeing some photos I >took at August get together. > Inspired by the Tektite Club originally formed by Paul Harris & Jim >Tobin lo these many years ago after they purchased the entire Futrell >Tektite collection, the Southern California Meteorite >& Tektite Club is now >hosted by Bob & Moni Verish. We have been meeting yearly, but Bob is >considering >making it a twice a year gathering. Small and intimate, people >bring meteorites to share and enjoy, along >with one another's company. > This year Jason brought a humongus whole stone lunar (with a >"window" from the sample donated to the adentifying institution). Very >Cool to hold a piece of the moon that large. > > Here are some photos: > >http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/SCM&TClub2013.html > >P.S: If the person who took the time delayed photo of EVERYONE >Were to allow me to post it, that would be a hoot - even better if >They knew everyone's name in the photo. If you are ok with that, >Please send JPG to me ASAP off list. > > Best to all, > Michael > > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Or Meteorite? Strange Object Crashes Through Roof Of Local Business
Hi All, Here is a "resend" of another post that I sent to the List earlier today (but it never appeared in the Archives): Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Or Meteorite? Strange Object Crashes Through Roof Of Local Business From * Robert Verish To * James Beauchamp * Jodie Reynolds CC * Meteorite Central Hello All, I'm ready to "close the books" on this Merciless Mercer Meteor-Wrong. The specimen in question was brought to the Mineralogy Department of the Carnegie Museum in Pittsburgh, PA. According to the Department head-mineralogist: based upon a visual examination with only the aid of a microscope and a magnet (but with no analytical testing), he was still able to easily determine that this object was composed of a man-made metallic substance, based upon these observations: 1. It was not attracted to a magnet. 2. It had evidence of mechanical abrasion and heat discoloration, as if it were trapped in some kind of machinery and heated through friction. 3. It also had plenty of wood fibers adhered to the exterior when examined under the microscope. 4. Most of the exterior was weathered but the freshly abraded areas were bright silver. 5. It scratched with moderate difficulty with a teasing needle and had an inclusion of a slag-like material with air bubbles in it. Conclusion: Probably a chunk of something from one of the mills that had been weathering outside until caught up in some kind of machinery. How it ended up going through a third story roof is anyone’s guess! At least this Mercer Mystery was brought to a speedy resolution, unlike that Freehold Township Fiasco in New Jersey: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272212,00.html From San Diego reporting for Meteorite-Times, this is Bolide*Bob From: James Beauchamp To: Jodie Reynolds Cc: Meteorite Central Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Or Meteorite? Strange Object Crashes Through Roof Of Local Business Would be interesting what a metal analysis or eutectic etch showed. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 6:37, James Beauchamp wrote: > This looks like a broken chunk off of construction equipment or an industrial crusher tooth. Pretty common, actually. When these things break, there is a lot of energy involved. The teeth get smashed and gnarled, and get flung at high velocities. You can see the shear point on smeared metal pattern. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 22, 2013, at 5:14, Jodie Reynolds wrote: > >> Aha, this link should work: >> >> http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/06/21/rock-or-meteorite-strange-object-crashes-through-roof-of-local-business/ >> >> >> >> Saturday, June 22, 2013, 3:06:02 AM, you wrote: >> >>> Hello Listers, >> >>> Came across this link, not sure what to make of this, but I bet >>> some of you on the list might know whats in the images of this article. >> >>> :) >> >>> Shawn Alan >>> IMCA 1633 >>> ebay store >>> http://stores.ebay.com/imca1633ny?_rdc=1 >>> http://meteoritefalls.com/ >> >>> Article >> >>> " >>> MERCER, Pa. (KDKA) — There is a mystery surrounding a >>> strange-looking rock that came crashing through the ceiling of a Mercer >>> County business. >>> It happened sometime late Thursday night or early Friday morning. >>> Employees of the business discovered the shiny, sharp-looking >>> object inside their warehouse Friday morning." >> >>> Link: >>> http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/06/21/rock-or-meteorite-strange-object-crashes-through-roof-of-local-business/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Or Meteorite? Strange Object Crashes Through Roof Of Business
Hi All, Here is a "resend" of a post that I sent to the List on June 24th (but it never appeared in the Archives): -- Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Or Meteorite? Strange ObjectCrashesThrough Roof O... From * Robert Verish To * MEM * jimsk...@aol.com * photoph...@yahoo.com Hello All, Just got notified by the Carnegie Museum in Pittsburgh that they've examined the "impactor" and they have determined that it is composed of "artificial materials". That is all the information that I have at this time. For sure, the owner of the building (and their insurance company), as well as the museum are disappointed in this outcome. I wonder if the insurance company will require a "report of vandalism" be filed with the police and/or FAA? Bob V. From: MEM To: "jimsk...@aol.com" ; "photoph...@yahoo.com" ; "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Or Meteorite? Strange Object Crashes Through Roof O... Be it remembered that "mesosiderites" tend to be frequently "slag-looking". This is a hard call in that there are no signs of being a fresh fall--that is, it looks to have weathered features. How-some-ever the hole looks like an impact hole--yet again it seems too perfectly round and doesn't match the alleged meteorite. Me thinks this could be a meteor-wrong prank. Elton > > From: "jimsk...@aol.com" >To: photoph...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 7:26 AM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Or Meteorite? Strange Object Crashes >Through Roof O... > > >Looks like someone put a window into it with a grinder. Looks to jagged to >be a meteorite. My guess is that it's slag. > >Jim K > >In a message dated 6/22/2013 5:12:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >photoph...@yahoo.com writes: >Hello Listers, > >Came across this link, not sure what to make of this, but I bet some of >you on the list might know whats in the images of this article. > >:) > >Shawn Alan >IMCA 1633 >ebay store >http://stores.ebay.com/imca1633ny?_rdc=1 >http://meteoritefalls.com/ > >Article > >" >MERCER, Pa. (KDKA) — There is a mystery surrounding a strange-looking rock >that came crashing through the ceiling of a Mercer County business. >It happened sometime late Thursday night or early Friday morning. >Employees of the business discovered the shiny, sharp-looking object >inside their warehouse Friday morning." > >Link: >http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/06/21/rock-or-meteorite-strange-object-crashes-through-roof-of-local-business/ >__ > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PRIMM DRY LAKE HELP
Hello Paul and List, In an effort to assist you (and your father, Nicholas) in this endeavor, I've made a plaster-cast of a corner-fragment meteorite that Moni Waiblinger found on Roach Dry Lake, and have mailed it to your father. Nick will then forward it to you, if he can't get it to fit onto any of the Primm (H5) masses that he has in storage. This has all been documented and photos can be seen in my 2013 May - Meteorite-Times Magazine article: http://www.meteorite-times.com/category/bobs-findings/ At some later date, I will send to you a table that lists the 102 provisionally-numbered Roach Dry Lake finds that have been reported to us (mostly compiled by Rob Matson). This will answer your question about "additional finds", because it will list the mass, date of find, and finder. Hope this will be helpful. If it is, I will report back here, as well as, in Part 2 of my M-T article. -- Bob V. -Original Message- From: Paul Gessler Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 11:47 AM To: meteorite-list Subject: PRIMM DRY LAKE HELP To all You hunters who have searched Primm Valley / Roach Dry lake: Please help me to rebuild one of my favourite meteorite finds. This 242g individual was found back in 1997 and was reconstructed from 3 pieces and glued back together. It is still missing a small 8 gram wedge shaped piece that hopefully can be reunited with the main mass??? Just want all of you who have hunted Roach D.L. to take a look at this video and see if just maybe you have the piece I am looking for. It would be Incredible to COMPLETE this meteorite's saga. If found I would be happy to substitute for a larger Primm piece from our collection... and some detailed info on a Nevada strewn field that has yielded some really Amazing finds. Let me know. thanks. Would also be interested in the locations and mass of additional finds regardless of matching my piece so that I can get an idea of what we missed. I want this attempt at unification to get out to everyone so please forward the video to anyone you know who has searched this location or is even slightly interested. This just might work? I hope. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW54tdOXWiE Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Article: Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.8070.pdf Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal Andrei E. Zlobin Vernadsky State Geological Museum, Russian Academy of Sciences Mokhovaya 11/11, 125009, Moscow, Russian Federation e-mail: z-tungu...@yandex.ru I am stunned. From the Vernadsky State Geological Museum, Russian Academy of Sciences!! The "shatter-cones" appear to be aragonite crystals. The samples are all m-wrongs. This paper would never pass the peer-review of Club-Space-Rock, how did it get past the Cornell University Library? http://arxiv.org/help/endorsement How did this ever get published? This paper should be re-titled: "How to get Shatter-cones without forming a Crater" Maybe in Russia, April Fool's Day comes on April 29th? The following is a copy and paste from the above paper: "Acknowledgments: I very thankful to administration and my colleagues in Vernadsky State Geological Museum (RAS) on possibility to work with information concerning L.A.Kulik’s activity and to analyze meteorites of the Museum." And then the audience arose from their seats and delivered a thunderous applause... Can I sit-down now? Bob V. --- On Thu, 5/2/13, Matthew Martin wrote: > From: Matthew Martin > Subject: [meteorite-list] Article: Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites > at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal > To: "MeteorList" > Date: Thursday, May 2, 2013, 11:53 AM > Aloha Everyone, > > A newly published (4/29/13) article on Tunguska in PDF > format is available for free download from the Cornell > University Library. I can't say I agree with calling > it the discovery of "meteorites"--I think "impact glass" > would be a better description, but it's an interesting read > nonetheless. Shatter cones are also discussed. > > The link below will take you to a Cornell University Library > page with a one paragraph abstract of the article. To > download the entire paper, click the download "PDF Only" > link on the upper right of the web page. > > http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.8070 > > Aloha, > Matthew > > __ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update (All recent falls unapproved, not just Novato)
Very good post, Michael. And thanks for making my point - if Novato is already classified (L6 br), you would like to update your database and fill out labels with an officially approved name. How long of a delay and why is there a delay? -- Bob V. http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg108950.html --- On Tue, 4/30/13, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update (All recent falls unapproved, not > just Novato) > To: "Meteorite List" > Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 2:51 PM > > Hi List, > > I wasn't pointing fingers or trying to refer specifically to > Novato. > I may have come off that way, I am afraid. I meant in > general with > all falls, and this recent mention of Novato jogged my > memory about > the recent spate of unapproved falls. I had meant to > post to the List > a couple of weeks ago about this same issue, but I got > side-tracked > and forgot. The Novato discussion reminded me. > I'll post something > to the List to that effect. > > My main goal is the same as most - to see Novato > classified. > Regardless of who found what or who has what specimen, I'd > just like > to see it in the Met Bull and in MAPS journals. That > won't happen > until the kink in the hose is worked out, so to speak. > As was pointed > out - look how quickly Battle Mountain got > approved. Novato fell > over a densely populated urban area, Battle Mountain fell > over > underpopulated BLM land. Both are OC's. Why so > quick with one and > not the other? Same with that Alabama fall (Addison?) > - another > stoppage in the pipeline somewhere. > > We need to encourage people to come forward and get finds > classified, > and not make it more difficult. If we publicly nitpick > and clobber > people for not handling the classification properly, then it > will make > others reluctant to come forward. We should be > positive and say - > look, who cares why it took so long for this particular > fall, let's > just be happy it is getting done now. Everybody still > wins. > > Some of us collectors are the nitpickers. I want > something official > to put on my labels for my falls collection. I have no > dog in this > fight other than science. > > Best regards and happy huntings for all, > > MikeG > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/30/13, Galactic Stone & Ironworks > > > wrote: > > > >> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update > >> To: "Michael Farmer" > >> Cc: "Alan Rubin" , > "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" > >> , > "Matson, Robert D." > >> , > "Robert Verish" > >> Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 12:24 PM > >> > >> Agreed, somebody needs to cough up a > >> piece to consolidate the type > >> specimen and satisfy the requirements for > publication in the > >> Met Bulletin. That is how it should be. > Until such a > >> specimen is analyzed, submitted, and approved, > >> it is not a meteorite, it is a rock > >> that is suspected to be a meteorite. Giving > it any > >> unofficial name > >> does not make it a meteorite, unless that name is > approved > >> by NonCom. > >> > >> Everybody wins when the specimen is classified and > approved > >> via an > >> open, transparent, and "official" manner. > >> > >> There are too many falls that are not approved > yet. > >> Going back to the > >> year 2000, there are seventeen (17) falls that are > not > >> officially > >> approved yet. They come from all corners of > the world > >> and some are > >> very well documented, but have not been approved > for various > >> reasons. > >> For example, someone earlier mentioned that Canada > does not > >> drag it's > >> feet on classifications and would simply buy the > type > >> specimen. Well, > >> there is the Montney fall from 2005 that is lost > somewhere > >> in the > >> system. Canada is usually pretty quick, but > why hasn't > >> Montney been > >> approved? Is there doubt about the fall in > some way, > >> or is it a > >> problem similar to Novato where it is a bonafide > fall but > >> has not been > >> approved for logistical reasons? > >> > >> Collectors and probably
Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update
Thanks Rob, for clearing the air and getting this thread back on track. And now that the dust has settled, we're back to my original concern: Why do we have to wait for just the name to be approved? Here is the question I am posing to the List, stated another way: If everyone is in agreement with the Jenniskins arrangement, then why can't the Committee credit UCLA for the type specimen and move forward with approving at least the name "Novato" (if need be, at least provisionally)? I mean, what is the difference whether the type specimen goes first to UCLA, then goes to NASA, or vice-versa? I mean, for goodness sake, it's NASA we're talking about here. Why do we have to wait for the results from the consortium before we know the approved name of this meteorite? I mean, we didn't even have a consensus classification for Sutter's Mill, but that name still got approved! We didn't have to wait for the results of the consortium, then. Why now? But before I conclude, allow me to state several things FOR THE RECORD: Contrary to any unfounded assertions that may get printed on this List, there is no "problem" getting type-specimens from finders to researchers: There were 8 Sutter's Mill finds donated from finders & property owners. The name "Sutter's Mill" was approved BEFORE a classification could be agreed upon and long before the consortium published their results. There were 2 Battle Mountain specimens voluntarily donated by finders to researchers. The name "Battle Mountain" was approved 30 days after the fall. What delay? Other US falls with "no problems" getting type-specimens: Mifflin, Lorton, Whetstone Mtns, Ash Creek - no delays in name approval. Finders of the "Novato" meteorite were making arrangements to submit type specimens to researchers, prior to Jenniskins announcement to the Press that he was submitting the Webber stone as a type specimen. Days after his announcement is when I finally made my Novato find, and at that time I never dreamt we would be having this discussion in 2013. If it becomes necessary, I am prepared (as are other finders) to submit a type specimen to UCLA. But not until we all have been given a proper explanation. -- Bob V. --- On Mon, 4/29/13, Matson, Robert D. wrote: > From: Matson, Robert D. > Subject: [meteorite-list] Novato update > To: "Pat Brown" , "Jim Wooddell" > , "Met List" > > Date: Monday, April 29, 2013, 8:51 PM > > Hi All, > > I've been informed by one of the Novato finders that this is > a non-issue. > Dr. Jenniskens has long-since pledged to donate more > than adequate Novato type specimen to UCLA for it to be > approved by the Nomenclature Committee. That it hasn't happened > already is simply because Dr. Jenniskens wished to ensure that all > academic requests for meteoritical material were handled promptly. > 29 grams > of the first recovered stone were generously donated by Lisa > Webber to SETI for scientific analysis; of that, whatever is not > consumed > in destructive analyses has been promised to UCLA. > So there is no cause for alarm; people just need to be patient. > --Rob > > On Apr 30, 2013, at 4:32 AM, Robert Verish wrote: > Actually, it's still the "Novato" (provisional) meteorite. > It still is not in the Meteoritical Bulletin. > > This is the slice that Brien Cook originally cut with the intention of > submitting it to UCLA. But when he read that someone else was going to > supply the type-specimen, he then placed it on eBay. > > It would be nice if some Institute or consortium would make an offer and try > to repatriate this slice and make it a type-specimen so that this US-fall > could finally be made "official". All I'm saying is, this "leaving an > official-status hanging-in-mid-air" would never happen in Canada. They would > just simply buy the type-specimen. > > It's time for the US to catch-up with Canada. It's time for a change. > Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Novato back in the market
Actually, it's still the "Novato" (provisional) meteorite. It still is not in the Meteoritical Bulletin. This is the slice that Brien Cook originally cut with the intention of submitting it to UCLA. But when he read that someone else was going to supply the type-specimen, he then placed it on eBay. It would be nice if some Institute or consortium would make an offer and try to repatriate this slice and make it a type-specimen so that this US-fall could finally be made "official". All I'm saying is, this "leaving an official-status hanging-in-mid-air" would never happen in Canada. They would just simply buy the type-specimen. It's time for the US to catch-up with Canada. It's time for a change. Bob V. --- On Mon, 4/29/13, Matija Bericic wrote: > From: Matija Bericic > Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Novato back in the market > To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" > > Date: Monday, April 29, 2013, 10:48 AM > > Hi list, > We have finished researching Novato meteorite and we do not > need it anymore. 6.6 g slice was bought on ebay auction on > 27th of October 2012 from hunter Brien Cook. > Anyone interested in this rare piece make me an offer off list. > Best regards, > Matija Bericic > __ > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re: ...terminology...)
In my original post I neglected to add a link to the Hutson paper. Here is the link to the "News" page from the Met. Bull. Database: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/MetBullNews.php?id=1 On that MetBull webpage is a link to the Melinda Hutson paper: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./maps.12062/abstract It was my hope that my post would draw some interest and get more people to read this recent M&PS article. (2013 March, Vol.48 No.3 pg.365) The thrust of my (partial) review was that many long-held assumptions about the Franconia area have been overturned by this paper. Actually, a better phrase would be, "many sacred-cows have been slaughtered". My post was a plea that if you were going to put in print some observation about the Franconia Area, you had better read this paper first. I am in agreement with what is at the heart of Erik's post, so I don't want his point missed because of a technicality with his reference to the Gold Basin Fall. I consider myself as a student of that strewn-field and, although there are many different meteorites found in the Gold Basin AREA, nowhere in the literature has anything other than L4-6 Fa:24±1 been attributed to the Gold Basin fall. Prior to reading this recent paper, I was in complete agreement with Larry about the relative terrestrial age of the L-chondrites, particularly the "fresh-appearing" BM002 & BM003 stones. But that was just another cow-shaped assumption. Terrestrial age-dating for 10 stones from the Franconia Area were presented in this paper, and aside from the lone H6 stone (BM001) all of the L-chondrites dated older than the H-falls. Here is the relative order of falls: 1. BM 001 ~20kyr ago 2. BM 003 ~11kyr ago 3. Palo Verde Mine ~10kyr ago 4. BM 004 ~ 8kyr ago 5. BM 005 ~ 7kyr ago 6. BMW 4.0±0.7kyr ago 7. Franconia "fell recently" Looking forward to hearing from others who have read this article. Have a good night, Bob V. General List Policies: 6. Make sure you can back up statements with -facts and references- --- On Sun, 4/28/13, Mark wrote: > From: Mark > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re: ...terminology...) > To: "Larry Atkins" > Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" > > Date: Sunday, April 28, 2013, 5:15 PM > > I agree with Eric too, > but not for the different dates that Larry refers to > (which is mentioned in the same article). > After seeing many diverse rock types in a same small rock mass, > I've always felt it's too simplistic to say > different class. = different fall. > > I would go with the dating in this specific case that > indicates different fall events though. > > Sent from my iPod Touch > > > On Apr 28, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Larry Atkins > wrote: > > > Eric, > > > > Though I'm not in total agreement with you, > > that is a good point. > > What it comes down to is terrestrial age. > > That would settle it. > > For instance, the L chondrites at Franconia are > > quite obviously from a more recent event, > > I'm certain they are not related., > > they are distinctly different in hand > > and look fresher, and far rarer.. > > > > Almahitta - Sita, among others, says they are not > always homogeneous. You make good points > > > > Sincerely, > > Larry Atkins > > > > IMCA # 1941 > > Ebay alienrockfarm > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Erik Fisler > > To: Meteorite List > > Sent: Sun, Apr 28, 2013 7:11 pm > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re: > ...terminology...) > > > > > > You mean all those H3-5's are paired?!? Lord. > > > > I think people forget that there are LL's, L's and H's > > found from the Gold Basin fall. > > To say that a mass from a parent body large > > enough to have a strewn field > > of this size and TKW should be one homogeneous > > petro.-type is silly. > > This business of trying to classify every stone as a > > different fall for what > > ever selfish or perverse reason along with having a > > personal attachment to the > > outcome of the over all conclusion is ridiculous and > > completely against the > > scientific method. > > > > How many of those Y[ucca]DCA or what ever H3-5's have been > > found outside the mapped strewn field? And how far? > > > > -Erik Fisler > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 11:02 PM, Robert Verish > wrote: > > > >> Hi All, > >> Just read another article in the 2013 March edition > of M&PS, &g
[meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re: ...terminology...)
Hi All, Just read another article in the 2013 March edition of M&PS, "Stones from Mohave County, Arizona: Multiple falls in the 'Franconia strewn field' " by Melinda Hutson, et al. There is much to digest from this 5-author paper that is 25 pages long. What with 14 stones being studied and 7 pairings to be described, there is a lot to chew on. Here's something to chew on. According to this paper, "Much unclassified material that has been distributed [sold] as 'Franconia' may not be from the Franconia fall". The authors make a case that more than half of the finds made in the "Franconia area" are paired to the Buck Mountain Wash fall. It has taken 10 years, but these findings show that I was justified in my belly-aching about all of the self-pairing that was occurring back then. It was on this very List that I was strongly criticized for this, and many dealers that thought they knew better defended their God-given right to name their stones after the Franconia meteorite that I got classified. A closer look at the MetBull images for Franconia shows that very few of them are from the Franconia fall. I offer no apologies for taking great satisfaction in the fact that I am now vindicated. The paper goes on to show that every Sacramento Wash numbered meteorite is paired to Buck Mountain Wash, which effectively has resulted in the demise of the SaW DCA and hastened the formation of the Yucca DCA. As I said, if you read this paper, there's a lot more to digest. It's late and I'm thinking about chewing on an antacid pill. -- Bob V. --- On Thu, 4/25/13, Jim Wooddell wrote: > From: Jim Wooddell > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - IMB or SMB? The nomenclature of > Melts. > To: "Meteorite List" > Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 5:29 PM > Hi All! > Just a point of information. I just read Dr. Rubin's paper, > "Multiple melting in a four-layered barred-olivine chondrule with > compositionally heterogeneous glass from LL3.0 Semarkona" > Whew! That's a title for a paper! > While we are on the subject of melts, I thought I'd point-out > this paper. > Enjoyed reading it the first timeactually understood some > of it and will read it once again after thinking about it > for a while. > You folks might enjoy reading it when you get a chance! > Thanks Alan!! > > Jim Wooddell > > ++ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cassini Observes Meteors Colliding With Saturn's Rings
Actually, Chris, the IAU has already formalized that definition of "meteor". It did so back in 1961. I've explained what I mean by all of this in my article: http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2008/mar08.htm Apparently, a well-respected astronomer wrote a popular book soon after the 1961 General Assembly met and the XI Committee of the IAU formalized the definitions of meteoroid, meteor, and meteorite. The author defined those same terms in his book, stating that the definitions came from the IAU, except that he clearly changed the definition of "meteor". Apparently, this author departed from the IAU definition of "meteoroid", including it as the object which produces the light display (meteor). Whereas, the IAU definition of meteoroid is that it orbits the Sun, and that when this same body enters the influence of the Earth (it is no longer orbiting the Sun) that object is now termed a "meteor". So, in recap, IAU definitions: Meteoroid to Meteor to Meteorite but the author's misdefinition: Meteoroid to Meteorite >From that point forward to the present, the wrong definition has been >perpetuated. --Bob V. --- On Thu, 4/25/13, Chris Peterson wrote: > From: Chris Peterson > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cassini Observes Meteors Colliding With > Saturn's Rings > To: "Meteorite Mailing List" > Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 2:04 PM > > I'd agree that a meteor can't collide with Saturn's rings, but > it would be correct usage to say a > meteor collided with an airplane, a bird, or maybe even the > ground were it still hypersonic and ablating, since at that > stage both the visual effect and the body itself are > typically called a "meteor" (something the IAU is > considering formalizing last I heard). > > Chris > > > Chris L Peterson > Cloudbait Observatory > http://www.cloudbait.com > > Michael Mulgrew wrote: > > >A "meteor" can't collide with anything! > > > >Michael in so. Cal. > > > >On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Ron Baalke > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> April 25, 2013 > >> > >> Dwayne Brown > >> Headquarters, Washington > >> 202-358-1726 > >> dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov > >> > >> Jia-Rui C. Cook > >> Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. > >> 818-354-0850 > >> jcc...@jpl.nasa.gov > >> > >> RELEASE: 13-120 > >> > >> NASA PROBE OBSERVES METEORS COLLIDING WITH SATURN'S > RINGS > >> > >> WASHINGTON -- NASA's Cassini spacecraft has > provided the first direct > >> evidence of small meteoroids breaking into streams > of rubble and > >> crashing into Saturn's rings. > >> > >> These observations make Saturn's rings the only > location besides > >> Earth, the moon, and Jupiter where scientists and > amateur astronomers > >> have been able to observe impacts as they occur. > Studying the impact > >> rate of meteoroids from outside the Saturn system > helps scientists > >> understand how different planet systems in the > solar system formed. > >> > >> Our solar system is full of small, speeding > objects. Planetary bodies > >> frequently are pummeled by them. The meteoroids at > Saturn range from > >> about one-half inch to several yards (1 centimeter > to several meters) > >> in size. It took scientists years to distinguish > tracks left by nine > >> meteoroids in 2005, 2009 and 2012. > >> > >> Details of the observations appear in a paper in > the Thursday edition > >> of Science. > >> > >> Results from Cassini already have shown Saturn's > rings act as very > >> effective detectors of many kinds of surrounding > phenomena, including > >> the interior structure of the planet and the orbits > of its moons. For > >> example, a subtle but extensive corrugation that > ripples 12,000 miles > >> (19,000 kilometers) across the innermost rings > tells of a very large > >> meteoroid impact in 1983. > >> > >> "These new results imply the current-day impact > rates for small > >> particles at Saturn are about the same as those at > Earth-- two very > >> different neighborhoods in our solar system, and > this is exciting to > >> see," said Linda Spilker, Cassini project scientist > at NASA's Jet > >> Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, Calif. "It > took Saturn's > >> rings acting like a giant meteoroid detector -- 100 > times the surface > >> area of the Earth -- and Cassini's long-term tour > of the Saturn > >> system to address this question." > >> > >> The Saturnian equinox in summer 2009 was an > especially good time to > >> see the debris left by meteoroid impacts. The very > shallow sun angle > >> on the rings caused the clouds of debris to look > bright against the > >> darkened rings in pictures from Cassini's imaging > science subsystem. > >> > >> "We knew these little impacts were constantly > occurring, but we didn't > >> know how big or how frequent they might be, and we > didn't necessarily > >> expect them to take the form of spectacular > shearing clouds," said > >> Matt Tiscareno, lead author of the paper and a > C
Re: [meteorite-list] Third set of Human remains found in the Casa Grande?Stanfield Strewn Field
I sure hope there are no more bodies found, as well, Sonny. Although there has been no forensic evidence found, so far, that suggests foul-play, which leaves weather-related causes as the "usual suspects", there have been reports from the field of attempted theft of vehicles and/or theft of items in those vehicles (in broad daylight). So, unfortunately, the warning is still "be careful out there"! Also, have there been any actual finds made in Casa Grande, or have they all been made in the Stanfield area? Bob V. --- On Thu, 4/11/13, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: > From: wahlpe...@aol.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Third set of Human remains found in the Casa Grande > Strewn Field > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 7:33 PM > Hi List, > > > I just finished reading a link to a story that is an > unfortunate reality in the Casa Grande area strewn field. To > my knowledge this is the third body discovered. I came > across one, another man I met in the field found one and now > this one. I sure hope there are not anymore. > > http://www.azfamily.com/news/Meteorite-hunters-find-human-remains-in-desert-along-I-8-202586231.html > > > Sonny > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - Yucca DCA
MikeG, Thanks for the heads-up about this latest update. Haven't seen anything mentioned, yet, so I'd like to give a tip-of-the-hat to a local meteorite-hunter, Jim Wooddell (and his wife Wendy), for getting 2 of his finds into the MetBull: Yucca 016 and Yucca 017 Not only has Jim's finds extended a well-searched stewn-field, but he has been working hard at recording the recovery data for over 1000 Franconia Area finds. Although he won't take the credit, it's my opinion that his efforts greatly influenced the unification of the DCAs (Dense Collection Areas) in the Franconia Area. This has resulted in a new DCA: Yucca. In any case, history was made today in Arizona. And congrats to Jim Wooddell. Bob V. --- On Sat, 3/9/13, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks > Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - New Dense Collection Area, > and NWA Nakhlite > To: "Meteorite List" > Date: Saturday, March 9, 2013, 9:48 AM > > Hi Bulletin Watchers, > > A new dense collection area has been approved - Yucca. > > See the details here - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/MetBullNews.php?id=1 > > The new approvals are 2 NWA's (one Nakhlite) and 2 OC's from > the Yucca > dense collection area. > > Link - > http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=2&pnt=Normal%20table&dr=&page=0 > > Best regards and happy huntings, > > MikeG > > -- > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [met-list] Fwd: sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite
Except that I can't remember if we identified the "protrusion". Long ago I remember someone suggesting that it might be a mineral inclusion that is differentially resistant to weathering, like silicates, or carbides, like the cohenite in this image: http://www.mindat.org/photo-8081.html But then the ID of the iron meteorite, itself, was brought into question. In recap, here is what we know: Baygorria and Uruaçu are actual iron meteorites that are compositionally similar to Campo del Cielo, but are not at all similar structurally. Uruaçu is a schreibersite-cohenite-rich IAB that is older than Campo. Uruaçu was found in Brazil; is unrelated to Baygorria (Uruguay) or Campo. Baygorria was found as a single mass (80 kg) that was cut into slices and the largest remaining mass (40kg) was donated to a university. Individual meteorites sold as 'Baygorria' are nothing more than Campo del Cielo from Argentina. These "bogus" whole irons need to be relabeled as "Campo del Cielo". Even 'Baygorria' slices are suspect Campo unless it can be proven that provenance originated from the "university" or from Mr. J. Escomel, Roque Gra Seras 914, Montevideo 11300, Uruguay. Anything less would be considered "self-pairing" which we now know is a slippery-slope. Just my way of throwing dirt on the grave of the dead horse. Bob V. --- On Fri, 3/8/13, Art Jones wrote: > From: Art Jones > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite > To: "Jason Utas" , "Meteorite-list" > , "altm...@meteorite-martin.de" > > Date: Friday, March 8, 2013, 1:34 PM > Guys, > > I think the horse is way past dead on this one, let's end > the thread. > > Thanks, Art > > ++ > >> > - Original Message - > >> > From: Randy Korotev > >> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> > Cc: > >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:41 PM > >> > Subject: [meteorite-list] > sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite > >> > > >> > I recieved a well prepared letter > >> > from a fellow with a question that > >> > I can't begin to answer. > >> > Maybe someone on the list has > >> > seen this kind of thing before. > >> > > >> > He bought a Baygorria (Iron, IAB complex) > >> > from a dealer 3 years ago. > >> > He picked it up recently to find > >> > a metal protrusion sticking out > >> > of the thing that was sharp enough > >> > to prick his thumb. > >> > Here's a jpg of his scanned photo. > >> > > >> > http://meteorites.wustl.edu/baygorria.jpg > >> > > >> > What's happened here? > >> > > >> > Randy Korotev > >> > St. Louis > >> > > >> > > __ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's
One benefit of having two numbers is that it allows the classifier to clarify the differences between the two stones in order to show the range of variation among these paired EL stones. The difference in this case being one stone has "Alabandite present", and the second stone was "Extremely weathered showing only rare metal. Rare alabandite". This would actually aid a subsequent classifier of another EL6 stone to be able to pair that third stone to the other two. Otherwise that subsequent classifier (not being aware of this variation) may be misled into thinking that the third stone is unpaired. When I first read Mendy's question about "assignment of NWA numbers", I thought he was making reference to assignment of provisional numbers. These are usually assigned before the stones are classified and if the stones have any appearance of outwardly looking different to each other, the prudent requester is wise to get a number for each stone. Once a requester gets two numbers "assigned", it's not likely that a classifier will get rid of one number. Where is the motivation if the classifier will get more type-specimen by having each stone numbered. If the classifier submits a classification for each numbered stone, the NomCom will accommodate that classifier by "approving" both numbers. Anything less, and the NomCom would be considered "unaccommodating". Now, in defense of the classifier for not getting rid of one of the numbers, I would say that the test lies in answering this question: "What is the added-value in discarding a number?" (Which is basically what Jeff Grossman was saying when he asked, "Why is this a problem?") Or stated another way: "Is there any added-value in approving two numbers that were assigned to two stones that were subsequently paired?" For one answer to that question as it relates to these two EL6 stones, go to the beginning of this post. Bob V. --- On Sat, 2/16/13, Mendy Ouzillou wrote: > From: Mendy Ouzillou > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's > To: "'Jeff Grossman'" , > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Saturday, February 16, 2013, 8:51 PM > > Because as I read it > the data for both specimens are the same > within the margin of error > and the two specimens > should share one number. > > M > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] > On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 7:24 PM > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's > > Why is this a problem? -jeff > > On 2/16/2013 9:46 PM, Mendy Ouzillou wrote: > > Why are two consecutive numbers assigned to the same > group of stones. > EL6, two stones and same classifiers. I don't get it > ... > > > > Mendy Ouzillou > > > > On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:20 AM, "Galactic Stone & > Ironworks" wrote: > > > > Hi Bulletin Watchers, > > > > There are a handful of new approvals - all are NWA meteorites. > > > > Link - > http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=1&pnt=Normal%20table&dr=&page=0 > > > > Best regards, > > > > MikeG > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: (meteorobs) [met-list] Moroc Long Duration Fireball with smoketrail 13FEB2013
Original Message Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:55:55 + From: Esko Lyytinen Subject: Re: (meteorobs) [meteorite-list] Moroc Long Duration Fireball with smoketrail 13FEB2013 We had here in Finland probably the best meteorite dropping fireball that we have well captured in our cameras, in Feb, 16 , 2009 at 22 UT. The geocentric radiant of this was 48, +28 , so this could be connected to what you have now and maybe with what Dirk tells about. The Vinf was derived as 13.5 km/s. And actually we have during the years, around this time of the year, had some other expected quite good meteorite droppers (at least one of these outside our country borders) , with roughly similar solar system orbit. It would be interesting to get the orbits derived for yours. Keep all your cameras open, please ;) Esko On 2013-02-14 13:29, James Beauchamp wrote: > Dirk , I've had three very slow events the last two days. Radiant > appears to be directly over head 38 degrees latitude, 8 PM central US > time. > > Really slow, bright, with trails. - End of Original Message -- In a nutshell, keep your allsky cameras fired-up! These observations are as good of an early-warning system as we will get. Can't say we weren't warned, -- "CL" (Chicken Little) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
--- On Fri, 1/25/13, Anne Black wrote: > Lets make it simple. > Now we can have: > Achondrite Martian Basaltic Breccia. > > Simple as that. Okay! We're settled, then: AMBB it will be! (Sorry, Anne, I couldn't resist;-) But seriously, folks. Consider the following: "martian meteorites" - Martian meteorites are martian rocks that were ejected from Mars by impacts and later fell to the Earth as meteorites. The well-known types are S saharaites (basaltic clasts in a porphyritic groundmass) shergottites (basaltic to lherzolitic igneous rocks), N nakhlites (clinopyroxenites) C chassignites (dunitic cumulate rocks) A ALH 84001(orthopyroxenites) Does anyone else see a problem with this? Bob V. -- > From: Anne Black > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 > To: a...@unm.edu, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, January 25, 2013, 11:33 AM > > Please, > No, no more acronyms! > The world is being invaded by those meaningless, > un-translatable monstrosities. > Lets make it simple. > We have had for a long time such a thing as: > Achondrite Eucrite Polymict Breccia. > Now we can have: > Achondrite Martian Basaltic Breccia. > > Simple as that. > > Anne M. Black > www.IMPACTIKA.com > impact...@aol.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Carl Agee > To: meteoritelist meteoritelist > Sent: Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:33 am > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 > > > Jeff, > > Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse > things people > do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making > the new > Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some > drastic > measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty > a new > name based on locality: I propose "saharaite". So we now > have the > meteorites from Mars or "SCANS" > > S: shergottite > C: chassignite > A: ALH 84001 > N: nakhlite > S: saharaite > > Enjoy! > > Carl Agee > > > -- > Carl B. Agee > Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics > Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences > MSC03 2050 > University of New Mexico > Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 > > Tel: (505) 750-7172 > Fax: (505) 277-3577 > Email: a...@unm.edu > http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ > > > --- > Message: 19 > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 > From: Jeff Grossman > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Message-ID: <5102a808.5040...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. > > SNCPB? > > If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, > how about > CANNS? > > Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them > Martian > meteorites? > > Jeff > > On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com > wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > I like the "SNCB". It sounds > like a radio station's call > letters...Stay > > tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from > SNCB. > > Regards, Fred H. > > > >> How shall we organize the new class of Martian? > >> > >> Until now it has been SNC > >> > >> How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? > >> > >> SNCB > >> > >> What say you all? > >> > >> -Paul Gessler > >> __ > >> > >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > > > > __ > > > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
The following message is being resent - sorry for any duplicated posts: --- Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Sunday, January 6, 2013 2:09 PM From: "Robert Verish" To: "" Cc: "" Hey Paul, I'll go ahead and apologize, now, in case your message to Michael was personal, but now that it appears on the List, I need to point-out something regarding your reference to the Meteoritical Bulletin. Should you have the occasion to fill-out the MetBull Template for Submission (to request a name) used for reporting falls and finds (as I have recently), you will find the following: in the report form there are two columns to be filled-in: "Fall or Find Date" - "Enter the actual date that the sample fell or was found in the field." "Fall" - "Enter Y for an observed fall. Otherwise leave blank." This form and the Met Soc "Guidelines for Meteorite Nomenclature" is replete with the terms "fall" and "find", and nowhere is there any reference to a category that could be called "unobserved falls". The closest that I could find was, "Otherwise leave blank." I'm just saying, you made the reference to the MetBull, so I'm just making "full disclosure". Bob V. --- On Sat, 1/5/13, Michael Farmer wrote: > From: Michael Farmer > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day > To: "" > Cc: "" > > Date: Saturday, January 5, 2013, 8:52 AM > > No it makes perfect sense actually, is it a fall or a find. > I spoke to Garvie yesterday, who made > very clear there are only two terms, fall or find. > You would make a great politician, mincing words until no > logic is left to find. > An old meteorite found in a field was found, thus a find. > been that way for centuries, no need to change it now. > > Michael Farmer > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 5, 2013, at 9:30 AM, wrote: > > > Mike, > > > > The Meteoritical Bulletin Database uses the following > terminology: > > > >Observed fall: No > > > > Does that disturb you? > > > > Paul Swartz > > > >> I find this new attempt to change terminology > disturbing. I have hundreds of old catalogs from the top > museums and dealers from more than 200 years ago till today, > all of them list falls and finds. None of them discuss > unobserved falls as an acceptable alternative. > >> Are we really ready to just accept anything thrown > out there, and watch as all manner of BS is used to > discredit hundreds of years of accepted terminology? > >> My private collection focuses on witnessed falls, > with date and time and science to back it up. > >> I am not interested in another group which would > include every meteorite ever to have fallen, since they did > actually all fall at some point. > >> Well, I guess Anne can delete her birthday fall > calendar page since now we can simply put every NWA on any > date you choose to believe it might have possibly fallen:). > __ > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
