Re: [meteorite-list] OT- Our position regarding the IMCA
Hi Ron, You damn right , Screw E-bay and the J. O.'offs who created the entity. You are of no importance to them, and not getting e-mails back, what, are you crazy? that's not their problem, man. It's your problem as soon as you BID, regardless of what they tell you about proper complaint channels and crap. As I posted before, do your homework, and if your must have it now impulse is running on high current that should be a sign for you to get off the site and play with the kids, dog, fish, whatever your diversion- Oh yeah ,don't forget the eternal wife or girlfriend too. E-bay needs to get involved with taking out some of these scumbags that they in effect let represent E-bay, especially , what pisses me off the most is the lousy photo's of the item for sale. In my opinion, if you can't take a descent photo of the item for auction or Buy It Now then you should pay someone to do it for you or you can't sell- period ! No Lookie - No Selli. Usually they advertise, e.g., Look at the beautifull fusion crust, and the 20mm robins egg chondrules ,WOW , what a great bargain (The WOW 's are a definite sign of impending tragic loss of cashflow from your person . Stay away from the non- guaranteed, non - certified authentic, and unclassified and not- analyzed by a Meteoritics Lab stuff out there. There's some good guy's on our (I.M.C.A.) list here , and the World Class dealers off- list might give you a good deal too. For instance, Bob Haag has never done me wrong in the 12 yrs. that I've known him. I know him from telephone conversations over the years. Like a lot of us on the East Coast I hope to someday do the Tucson Show and visit at least 5 fair dealers worthy of the name fair, in Tucson. Another I have done deals with is Ron Farrell- New haven, CT.. U.S.A.. He cut me an Imilac slice 3mm thick X 5 in. X 4 in. and it is absolutely immaculate . I've had it now about 11yrs. . He sid it took time and effort to cut a jewel woth the money I dished out for it- it's a 123Gram Grade 1 50/50 gorgeous pale green Olivine and Ni-Fe. He did it like a jeweler would make you a custom piece of jewelry , except it was just another sale. He was building up his customer base. There are some mentally ill dealers who tell you that they know for a fact that it's a meteorite and all, but the impatient greedy bas...rds in fact do not know diddly squat about what they are trying to sell you, and they get ATITTUDE in the e-mails that they send you ( if you're lucky to get an e-mail at all) if the questions get too hard for their SUPER-DEALER EGO'S. If we are going to be paying dues , I'd like to know the ratio of Collectors ( International Meteorite Collectors Association- not dealers)to dealers. Please forgive the Java. That's It - I'm Out - Good Night All (IMCA # 0583) To: Ron DiIulio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT- Our position regarding the IMCA Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:17:24 -0600 Hi Adam (and the rest of the list). As one who was recently 'scammed' by a fraudulent dealer through ebay, I can only laud the efforts of the IMCA to notify its members of possible frauds. Although my ebay win was quite small, I discovered---much to my disappointment---that ebay is quite reluctant to get involved in any form of dispute. So...as has been said...buyer beware. If I had read some of this group's, and IMCA's threads, prior to my sale I would have seen all the warning flags and removed myself from the auction. Unfortunately, I was traveling and missed the threads. However, because of many emails from this list and IMCA members I chose to pay the fraudulent seller via an escrow service so I could have you guys examine the specimen. He never responded to any of my emails, nor to the escrow service. Consequently, I never sent any payment. As a result I have my first negative response which ebay will not consider removing! It's interesting to note, however, that the seller (glassface1) has a 100% negative rating already, but ebay wouldn't respond to my call to take a closer look at him. Oh well...it was an inexpensive learning experience--it only cost me my first negative feedback! Regards, Ron DiIulio Planetarium and Astronomy Lab Director Physics Department University of North Texas Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/08/04 04:53PM Dear List members, We recognize that the List and IMCA are two different entities. Since they cross over sometimes we thought we would state our position regarding the IMCA. If you are not interested please just delete this message and no harm will have been done. It was mentioned that my brother, Greg and I do not belong to the IMCA. We have been members since its inception and fully endorse the efforts of this group. We do not post often because the group is managing itself pretty well. In our opinion, the IMCA is evolving into a highly respected entity by
Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry!
Whoa There Mr. Untouchable, You are not an (IMCA) member?. Since when? Can someone please tell me what I'm obviously not understanding here? Why are non-members alowed to disrupt what would normally be an enjoyable electronic conversation amongst friends from the list . Mike , Tell me why you are allowed to post on this list at all . What the hell kind of rules are we into now and what event changed them. I've been wondering how Matteo was getting on and now on the other side of the atlantic , another little devil is sneaking around stirring up crap with Tom, an you're not even a member. As far as I'm concerned you aint got no right to threaten people accross International time zones and you will find yourself incarcerrated one day Mike. Take and heed my word. If he know's where you're at and you're on his turf, Italia- you are bad word - bad word.If any list board members get this e-mail , please make it a short explanation of how a non-member is allowed to post on OUR LIST . Is he going to pay dues too, but that's besides the point really. It isn't right. Has this been going on from the start or something new. T H A N KY O U Roman Nakonechny (IMCA # 0583 ~* MACH15 From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:06:28 -0700 Tom, for god's sake, you can choose to hide your feedback. Even a retarded monkey can figure out that someone using a hidden feedback must have some problems, and if they then choose to risk buying from that person, well, buyer beware. Can we please drop this garbage ebay crap. It is not my problem to read all day about things that anyone with the common sense of a rat turd can figure out on their own. If you hate ebay so much, DONT use it. This is exactly why I am not an IMCA member. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Hello List, I recieved a phone call while typing that last message, I can not type and talk at the same time! : ( Ebay says the feedback is there to protect the people using ebay, right? If ebay allows you to hide the comments left about you, does that not defeat the feedback's purpose? I know you can see the numbers, but numbers do not tell you what the problem is, why do they let bad people protect themselves? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now.
Walt, First of all , I've asked the list HOW do you access the archives, and to date i still don't know how the hell to do it nor have I received any kind of help on the matter. Second , What have you against these two gentlemen. Hey, they tutored me over the phone for a year , and did'nt screw me out of a lot of hard earned money .They sold me museum quality specimens because I did my homework and knew what a museum quality specimen should look like. It means a flawless 1/8 diamond saw slice of Imilac, 50% olivine 50% Ni/Fe that you can see your reflection in like a perfect mirror. So, Walt, please tell me how I can access the ARCHIVES and tell me what I will find there?. What, some uninformed joker trashing Ron Farrell and the bravest meteorite hunter and dealer of quality meteorites in history, Bob Haag, a fair seller and donator of free specimens to scientific institutions. Robert haag alone has contributed more to the science we're all trying to learn more about together on this (IMCA) of ours. Is that why you started off your Reply that way- what's up with that?. I honestly don't get it . What did they ever do to you?. I'm not trying to be nasty or anything like that Walt, just really would like to know your reason for starting off your post that way. What part of my homework did'nt I do? Seriously, how do you access these frieken archives everybody refers to. Thanks for any info. and explanation. Roman N. (IMCA# 0583) From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now. Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:04:48 -0500 Roman- You wrote: ...and Ron Farrell's advice and great knowledge and with established World Class Reputable Dealers and ...know who I'm talking to and it's the same two mentioned above. and Do your homework... Roman, with all due respect, I think the time it took you to write this message would have been better spent doing homework of your own. The list archives would be a good place to start -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Roman Nakonechny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now. Anyone buying meteorites should do their homework before purchasing a meteorite as far as I'm concerned. I spent a whole year studying -up on meteorites. With Bob Haag's and Ron Farrell's advice and great knowledge and the many phone call's that they graciously put up with , I bought the right pieces for the right prices- no hacksaw'ed pallasites with uneven cuts and lousy polishes and rust stained , no 95% fusion crust that's only 20%, no Canyon Diablo's that were some cheap-ass Chinese fall- you get the picture. If people want to deal with these Dealer Wannabes on E-bay who are less than reputable, and not with established World Class Reputable Dealers then it's on them.I personally buy from catalogs and know who I'm talking to and it's the same two mentioned above. Stay away from E-bay (rhyme) Do your homework or possibly get Srewed and receive a (mica schist ) Allende with CAI'S and Wowy Gee Willickers, a one of a kind slag meteorite from an unknown mining civilization in our own Solar System, no less. There's really no excuse except laziness and the rush to recklessly buy these unclassified , unanalyzed, just totally unethical sellers of pseudo-meteorites and thousands of other items through Thievery web sites. I don't care if the Dealer Wannabe's think they're selling real meteorites, it's the persons job - the one buying the meteorite - to make sure one way or another that it is a meteorite- the real deal Have A Good Night. ( I M C A # 0583) Roman N. -Informed Collector From: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now. Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:12:28 + Finally, the IMCA, if going that route, can play the same game as ebay: While all of our members are in good standing, the organization is not responsible for the comments of the anti fraud squad section of the website, and provides it only as a convenient free service to interchange feedback of potential interest to buyers concerned with authenticity of their purchases. Comments reflect the opinions of the posters, and IMCA does not permit members in good standing to post knowingly false or misleading feedback. Any member doing so will be expelled and such expulsion documented on this site in Former Members. as someone has already pointed out, such an arraingment would open one's self up to liable, as a specific person is making the statement, as opposed to the imca if it were ever incorporated. if the imca is going to allow / force
Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now.
Thanks Kelly From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Roman Nakonechny [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now. Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:44:52 -0600 The URL of the Archives is: http://www.meteoritecentral.com/archives.shtml Sterling K. Webb - Roman Nakonechny wrote: Walt, First of all , I've asked the list HOW do you access the archives, and to date i still don't know how the hell to do it nor have I received any kind of help on the matter. Second , What have you against these two gentlemen. Hey, they tutored me over the phone for a year , and did'nt screw me out of a lot of hard earned money .They sold me museum quality specimens because I did my homework and knew what a museum quality specimen should look like. It means a flawless 1/8 diamond saw slice of Imilac, 50% olivine 50% Ni/Fe that you can see your reflection in like a perfect mirror. So, Walt, please tell me how I can access the ARCHIVES and tell me what I will find there?. What, some uninformed joker trashing Ron Farrell and the bravest meteorite hunter and dealer of quality meteorites in history, Bob Haag, a fair seller and donator of free specimens to scientific institutions. Robert haag alone has contributed more to the science we're all trying to learn more about together on this (IMCA) of ours. Is that why you started off your Reply that way- what's up with that?. I honestly don't get it . What did they ever do to you?. I'm not trying to be nasty or anything like that Walt, just really would like to know your reason for starting off your post that way. What part of my homework did'nt I do? Seriously, how do you access these frieken archives everybody refers to. Thanks for any info. and explanation. Roman N. (IMCA# 0583) From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now. Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:04:48 -0500 Roman- You wrote: ...and Ron Farrell's advice and great knowledge and with established World Class Reputable Dealers and ...know who I'm talking to and it's the same two mentioned above. and Do your homework... Roman, with all due respect, I think the time it took you to write this message would have been better spent doing homework of your own. The list archives would be a good place to start -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Roman Nakonechny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now. Anyone buying meteorites should do their homework before purchasing a meteorite as far as I'm concerned. I spent a whole year studying -up on meteorites. With Bob Haag's and Ron Farrell's advice and great knowledge and the many phone call's that they graciously put up with , I bought the right pieces for the right prices- no hacksaw'ed pallasites with uneven cuts and lousy polishes and rust stained , no 95% fusion crust that's only 20%, no Canyon Diablo's that were some cheap-ass Chinese fall- you get the picture. If people want to deal with these Dealer Wannabes on E-bay who are less than reputable, and not with established World Class Reputable Dealers then it's on them.I personally buy from catalogs and know who I'm talking to and it's the same two mentioned above. Stay away from E-bay (rhyme) Do your homework or possibly get Srewed and receive a (mica schist ) Allende with CAI'S and Wowy Gee Willickers, a one of a kind slag meteorite from an unknown mining civilization in our own Solar System, no less. There's really no excuse except laziness and the rush to recklessly buy these unclassified , unanalyzed, just totally unethical sellers of pseudo-meteorites and thousands of other items through Thievery web sites. I don't care if the Dealer Wannabe's think they're selling real meteorites, it's the persons job - the one buying the meteorite - to make sure one way or another that it is a meteorite- the real deal Have A Good Night. ( I M C A # 0583) Roman N. -Informed Collector From: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now. Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:12:28 + Finally, the IMCA, if going that route, can play the same game as ebay: While all of our members are in good standing, the organization is not responsible for the comments of the anti fraud squad section of the website, and provides it only as a convenient free service to interchange feedback of potential interest to buyers concerned
Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now (list archive)
Thank You for the link , Dave. I had to get it from Italy and I'm in Pennsylvania, U.S.A. . Aint that a Cadella. Good Morning Over the Great Blue Atlantic From: Basilicofresco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now (list archive) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:07:01 +0100 At 03.27 28/02/2004 -0500, you wrote: First of all , I've asked the list HOW do you access the archives, and to date i still don't know how the hell to do it nor have I received Here is the link to the meteorite list archives: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/ They are very useful. bye, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special Offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now.
Anyone buying meteorites should do their homework before purchasing a meteorite as far as I'm concerned. I spent a whole year studying -up on meteorites. With Bob Haag's and Ron Farrell's advice and great knowledge and the many phone call's that they graciously put up with , I bought the right pieces for the right prices- no hacksaw'ed pallasites with uneven cuts and lousy polishes and rust stained , no 95% fusion crust that's only 20%, no Canyon Diablo's that were some cheap-ass Chinese fall- you get the picture. If people want to deal with these Dealer Wannabes on E-bay who are less than reputable, and not with established World Class Reputable Dealers then it's on them.I personally buy from catalogs and know who I'm talking to and it's the same two mentioned above. Stay away from E-bay (rhyme) Do your homework or possibly get Srewed and receive a (mica schist ) Allende with CAI'S and Wowy Gee Willickers, a one of a kind slag meteorite from an unknown mining civilization in our own Solar System, no less. There's really no excuse except laziness and the rush to recklessly buy these unclassified , unanalyzed, just totally unethical sellers of pseudo-meteorites and thousands of other items through Thievery web sites. I don't care if the Dealer Wannabe's think they're selling real meteorites, it's the persons job - the one buying the meteorite - to make sure one way or another that it is a meteorite- the real deal Have A Good Night. ( I M C A # 0583) Roman N. -Informed Collector From: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now. Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:12:28 + Finally, the IMCA, if going that route, can play the same game as ebay: While all of our members are in good standing, the organization is not responsible for the comments of the anti fraud squad section of the website, and provides it only as a convenient free service to interchange feedback of potential interest to buyers concerned with authenticity of their purchases. Comments reflect the opinions of the posters, and IMCA does not permit members in good standing to post knowingly false or misleading feedback. Any member doing so will be expelled and such expulsion documented on this site in Former Members. as someone has already pointed out, such an arraingment would open one's self up to liable, as a specific person is making the statement, as opposed to the imca if it were ever incorporated. if the imca is going to allow / force individual members to put their neck out in exposing fruad / possible fraud, then there really isnt much point for the group to exist, at least not if the type of efforts the list is talking about are to be actually followed through on.. _ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Non Paying bidder
Hi tom, Did you state on the forms that it was a meteorite. You know there's a lot of antiquities being smuggled out of Italy and into Italy at the moment and they do open suspicious packages. Hell , there's even a ban on exporting Roman Empire coins , and they people find them every day there, sometimes in caches of a hundred pounds or more -mostly copper an bronze. I heard through some archaelogy fans that theres a United Nations Ban on export of All antiquities out of Italy . If your package paperwork mentioned that it was a meteorite or even mineral of some sort , they (italian Customs) figure that maybe the receiver in Italy might also be exporting antiquities and outlawed minerals , antiquities, and especially meteorites- so they check him/her out. This takes a hell of a lot of time. Could be one possibility. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT Roman Nakonechny (IMCA# 0583) _ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Specific Gravity method /calculation error
Thanks John. A visit to our great ally France oughtta git yew metricized
mighty quick-like . The delta component of your calculation cause a Cold
Fusion Reaction inthe coffee can and now there's a great depression in the
earth where my suburb used to be.We need to get our stories straight, John.
={:-) L A T E R ~~~*Roman
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CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Subject: [meteorite-list] Specific
Gravity method /calculation error
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 12:39:52 +
Roman and others,
I guess I really am slow/dumb. your SG answers maybe too small right now...
Well if you haven't blown anything up...I'm lucky. My calculation has an
error in it from the other day. In the volume part of the equation I left
out
the division by 4 when using the diameter for area. If you use the
radius(1/2
diameter)...then you don't need the 4. The corrected method is below:
***
Then I use a cylinder(round) shaped coffee can for small items, or a
straight
sided bucket for larger items to determine the volume of the object by the
change in height of the water: first without the object and then with the
object. As a slow American I use a stick rule in inches to figure this out.
so it goes like this:
determine weight in OUNCES
Determine the change in volume in the water level by measuring the:
HEIGHT without object first
HEIGHT with the object second
The difference in height in inches is then used to calculate the SG along
with some conversions factors to get it into grams/centimeter cubed.
change or delta Volume = Area of container circle x inches in
height(change)
delta V =(pie or 3.14...)x diameter(inches) squared)x(height change in
inches)/4(Note: this is where I has left out the 4)
delta V is a number in inches cubed
the conversion formula without all the details is as follows:
SG = (object in OUNCES/delta V in inches cubed)x(0.06102/0.03527) = SG in
grams/cm cubed (Note: without the 4 your SG answer would have been 4
times smaller)
0.06102 is the conversion of cubic inches to cubic centimeters
0.03527 is the conversion of ounces to grams.
For the smart users of metric the metric systemthe answer is determined
by the change in volume in cubic centimeters cubed and the weight in grams
or:
Weight in grams/change in Volume in centimetes cubed (now that seems easier
doesn't it) = grams/cm cubed
Bottom line is most rocks have SG of 1.5 to 3, heavier rocks full of iron
like stony meteorites are in the 3 to 5 range, and steel and it's metal
friends like iron meteorites are in the neighborhood of 7 to 8. Silver and
Lead in the 10 to 11 range and gold all the way up near 18 to 19.
Sheesh,
John
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RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrong help?
Thanks John,
Your Specific Gravity info./formulas will be studied and
hopefully applied to my heavy metal alloys, electrolytically separated pure
elemental metals, and God knows what else they are. I'm hoping the
heaviest one is iridium- it weighs close to 2lb.'s (no metric ){:- ). It's
quite the fascinating metal and one of the densest. you can actually see the
2mm electrolysis rod holes and sometimes pieces of rods stuck in them and
bent over. The Smelter Bldg. guy we talked to said that train cars would
pull up to the Metallurgy Bldg. with automatic weapons drawn and everybody
was told to leave temporarily, but this was about 30 yrs. ago. One can only
guess at what the metal or metals were that demanded so much security. But,
enough about that, lets get back to your problem with walking the hills and
fields and ,unfortunately , picking up the poor sandstones and quartzites
you run across and then further their anguish by bathing the metamorphics.
You know there's mega-support group of rock and mineral and meteorite
defilers meeting in Tucson right now John . I think I've tortured the
subject enough John. Seriously, have you been to the Tucson Show yet, and
what's hot as far as the meteorites go. I dont know if you have a booth or
are going to just window shop the place. I'll leave you's alone now.
Thanks Again.
Have A Good Weekend
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To: Roman Nakonechny [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrong help?
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:13:44 +
Roman,
Well, let's see, I have spent a lot of time wandering the hills and fields
looking at every strange rock I see. Some I try to pick up and look at,
turn
them over and look at their bottoms and other places. Oh no it's worse than
I
thought...some I even take home and, I can't take say it, give them a bath.
Oh no, I do need help! Can you get me a number of that research group
in
Nebraska?...maybe they can get me to a support group, preferably in
Tucson...next weekend.
As for the dumb/slow American talk about using english units...that was for
the benefit of the metric users from around the world who would have jumped
all over me for the conversion crap we go through all the time. Actually,
it
probably takes more brains to perform the english methods than the metric.
;)
John
PS I do have to use that useless math crap to make sure I don't mess up my
work. Clients who don't get what they want, or bad engineering that blows
things up or doesn't work properly often pisses them off for some reason.
Otherwise who needs it, right!
Thanks John,
Dont sell yourself short- you're not a slow American.
If
you're a slow American then I'm so slow that I'm on a respirator and
waiting for a new heart. I was a spelling champ, math was the most
useless
bit of crap at the young age of 13+ onward through high school. But
that
was quite a while back. If you can do those calculations you're either
very
young or you practice them , or it's part of you're job , or you had to
help your kid with physics. Whatever it may be, you're ahead of a lot of
people and not slow. But be carefull if you ever start bathing
meteorites.
Researchers at Corn Stalk, Nebraska University For Human Behavior have
found that bathing meteorites (in warm scented water) can be a very
sensual
experience and can also lead to abuse, if you're so pre-disposed. Then
if
you're caught , you're labeled a rock molester, and the neighborhood
has
to get notified of your sad criminal propensity for jumping fences and
touching the unprotected rocks. Dont even start bathing meteorites-
they'll
ruin your life.
And you know what they do to rock touchers in prison. ={:-)
Hope I did'nt scare you. You can tell it's Friday night, cant you?
G O O D N I G H T - Enjoy your weekend. ~~*
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To: Roman Nakonechny [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrong help?
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:35:59 +
Roman and others,
Specific gravity...we've all seen the picture of weighing a specimen
out of
water and then in water to come up with specific gravity. You need a
scale
that can hang the object you are weighing in the water. I don't
remember
the
method details but the answer is usually stated in grams per centimeter
cubed.
I have used my own method for a while to do the same where I weigh the
object
on a scale and convert that weight to ounces (dumb English system!)
Then I use a cylinder(round) shaped coffee can for small items, or a
straight
sided bucket for larger items to determine the volume of the object by
the
change in height of the water: first without the object and then with
the
object. As a slow American I use a stick rule in inches to figure this
out.
so it goes like this:
determine weight in OUNCES
Determine
RE: [meteorite-list] Another nice pic!
Just imagine another one next to that one and you would have a real babe
meteorite - bodacious{:-). I think these rocks are having an influence on
me this late in the morning (3:24AM). I had to read your e-mail first,
did'nt I?
G O O D N I G H T
From: Roman Jirasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [meteorite-list] Another nice pic!
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:23:07 -0500
Hi list
Sure slow at the sign shop, time to kill or shoot rocks.
Check out this 3.5mm chondrule.
http://www.meteoritelabels.com/NWA226c.jpg
Still wish I was in Tucson!
Best regards,
Roman Jirasek
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RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrong help?
Hi Tom. I have a hell of a collection of US STEEL processed metal chunks and raw ore (especially the terrestrial gorgeous blood red, sometimes orange/brown and even fluorescent bright yellow Iron Ores , from the 500Ft. down level I was told by a Smelter bldg. worker 20yrs. back-half the stuff I havent figured out yet. They share one common trait- they are all hard -you'll have a hard time scratcing one but they do chip-off fairly easily. Some have a black as night oxide coating. Some have a brown and light brown coating, but they're not mine ore-they're processed rare earth metals/elements -by electrolysis or what have ya.. You know , there's one piece that has the dimensions 2+1/2 x 2+1/2 x1 inches , and you have to struggle picking it up with your index finger and thumb- Yes, I do have three more fully functioning fingers Tom. They sure have their differences as far as hardness ,streak, weight in the hand (specific gravity).I wish someone would show me how you test a sample for its specific gravity. My pieces, that I found, as far away as 2miles from the USX Ore Locomotives Tracks are all different processed metals for specific custom alloying metals ,I think? I used to do some metal-detecting in this humongous old-growth 300yr. old trees Pubic Park as Matteo would say, and I figure some of the pieces had to have gotten that far and sometimes closer too, by kids and adults picking them up and then playing (kids) and losing them .As a treasure hunter you quickly learn to see how movement of underground artifacts or above ground stuff like 100yr. old soda bottles might have gotten where they did. But to answer your question it's probably a processed metal ore. Do a streak test on it . Get a piece of broken or extra porcelain tile or if you happen to find an old toilet lid , crack a nice piece off for youself so you have a scrach pad- to do the streak test for color. You can chip down the larger piece of lid to the size you want. Also Tom, My 30 some odd pieces - not one is magnetic except for the Natural Iron Ores. Later G O O D N I G H T From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrong help? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:35:08 -0700 Hello List, My (soon to be ex) mother in law showed me a rock she found in Oklahoma a few years ago. My first impression was cool a iron meteorite! The weight and the appearance was perfect but nothing happened when I got out the magnet. My second guess was lead, but its to hard. A little window revels that it is nice and shiny on the inside. It is not slag, or at least not like any I have seen and I have seen my fair share! Also, it sure looks natural I do not know what's in OK as far as minerals go so I am at a loss. Any ideas, metal that is does not attract a magnet? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Find high-speed net deals comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrong help?
Thanks John,
Dont sell yourself short- you're not a slow American. If
you're a slow American then I'm so slow that I'm on a respirator and
waiting for a new heart. I was a spelling champ, math was the most useless
bit of crap at the young age of 13+ onward through high school. But that
was quite a while back. If you can do those calculations you're either very
young or you practice them , or it's part of you're job , or you had to
help your kid with physics. Whatever it may be, you're ahead of a lot of
people and not slow. But be carefull if you ever start bathing meteorites.
Researchers at Corn Stalk, Nebraska University For Human Behavior have
found that bathing meteorites (in warm scented water) can be a very sensual
experience and can also lead to abuse, if you're so pre-disposed. Then if
you're caught , you're labeled a rock molester, and the neighborhood has
to get notified of your sad criminal propensity for jumping fences and
touching the unprotected rocks. Dont even start bathing meteorites- they'll
ruin your life.
And you know what they do to rock touchers in prison. ={:-)
Hope I did'nt scare you. You can tell it's Friday night, cant you?
G O O D N I G H T - Enjoy your weekend. ~~*
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Roman Nakonechny [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrong help?
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:35:59 +
Roman and others,
Specific gravity...we've all seen the picture of weighing a specimen out of
water and then in water to come up with specific gravity. You need a scale
that can hang the object you are weighing in the water. I don't remember
the
method details but the answer is usually stated in grams per centimeter
cubed.
I have used my own method for a while to do the same where I weigh the
object
on a scale and convert that weight to ounces (dumb English system!)
Then I use a cylinder(round) shaped coffee can for small items, or a
straight
sided bucket for larger items to determine the volume of the object by the
change in height of the water: first without the object and then with the
object. As a slow American I use a stick rule in inches to figure this out.
so it goes like this:
determine weight in OUNCES
Determine the change in volume in the water level by measuring the:
HEIGHT without object first
HEIGHT with the object second
The difference in height in inches is then used to calculate the SG along
with some conversions factors to get it into grams/centimeter cubed.
change or delta Volume = Area of container circle x inches in
height(change)
delta V =(pie or 3.14...)x diameter(inches) squared)x(height change in
inches)
delta V is a number in inches cubed
the conversion formula without all the details is as follows:
(object in OUNCES/delta V in inches cubed)x(0.06102/0.03527) = SG in
grams/cm
0.06102 is the conversion of cubic inches to cubic centimeters
0.03527 is the conversion of ounces to grams.
For the smart users of metric the metric systemthe answer is determined
by the change in volume in cubic centimeters cubed and the weight in grams
or:
Weight in grams/change in Volume in centimetes cubed (now that seems easier
doesn't it) = grams/cm cubed
Bottom line is most rocks have SG of 1.5 to 3, heavier rocks full of iron
like stony meteorites are in the 3 to 5 range, and steel and it's metal
friends like iron meteorites are in the neighborhood of 7 to 8. Silver and
Lead in the 10 to 11 range and gold all the way up near 18 to 19.
Have fun and don't get wet. (I don't do this with known meteorites)
John
Hi Tom. I have a hell of a collection of US STEEL processed metal
chunks
and raw ore (especially the terrestrial gorgeous blood red, sometimes
orange/brown and even fluorescent bright yellow Iron Ores , from the
500Ft.
down level I was told by a Smelter bldg. worker 20yrs. back-half the
stuff
I
havent figured out yet. They share one common trait- they are all hard
-you'll have a hard time scratcing one but they do chip-off fairly
easily.
Some have a black as night oxide coating. Some have a brown and light
brown
coating, but they're not mine ore-they're processed rare earth
metals/elements -by electrolysis or what have ya.. You know , there's
one
piece that has the dimensions 2+1/2 x 2+1/2 x1 inches , and you have
to
struggle picking it up with your index finger and thumb- Yes, I do have
three more fully functioning fingers Tom. They sure have their
differences
as far as hardness ,streak, weight in the hand (specific gravity).I wish
someone would show me how you test a sample for its specific gravity. My
pieces, that I found, as far away as 2miles from the USX Ore
Locomotives
Tracks are all different processed metals for specific custom alloying
metals ,I think? I used to do some metal-detecting in this humongous
old-growth 300yr. old trees Pubic Park as Matteo would say, and I figure
some of the pieces had
RE: [meteorite-list] ???
Yo Michael, There's a lot more to Matteo then we are led to believe. This guy is involved with some Programming Tech-types. Has anyone actually met the man. The mispelling of English words almost seems deliberate. I speak three different languages and know how English is usually butchered and his speak just does'nt fit the profile of a true foreigner who is desperately trying to speak English (American) and unintentionally messes up. But I've never met him , and could be wrong. Has Farmer or you met the guy? L A T E R From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] ??? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:38:08 -0800 Wait a minute, How is Matteo posting AT ALL? Art dumped him from the METEORITE CENTRAL list. Shortly thereafter he was booted for obscenities, etc, from the collectors' list. How is ANYTHING he says getting through?? RSVP Michael on 1/30/04 10:39 AM, Bernhard Rendelius Rems at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not in all. Only in those with struck fairies :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt River Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 7:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1933 now all people seen Matteo in the all posts From: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt River [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1933 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:41:04 -0700 Matt River wrote: Any of you have look Dhofar 008 Have many + chondrules. Look the piece in the Comet Shop site http://www.meteorites21.com/dhofar08.htm I have a fantastic slice in my collection and is full of multicolor chondrules. Whatever you say Matt(eo). _ Nuovo MSN Messenger con sfondi e giochi! http://messenger.msn.it/ Provalo subito! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- When Jesus said Love your enemies I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-uspage=byoa/premST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] a serious meteorite question!
Excellent question Tom, I dont know, but I have a longtime ligering question along the same line as yours. We all agree that planets have metals of different densities throuhghout their mantle and crust. So why has'nt a meteorite been found with its native copper , or brecciated with veins of iron and gold (not THE gold meteorite,please), or my favorite would be a uranium oxide like uraninite meteorite. Uranium was the heaviest of the elements produced at the moment of implosion of the Red Giant Primary Star that produced the supernova which eventually became the Nebula that collapsed into our Second Generation Star - the Sun and its planets and Allende leftovers. I mean look at pallasites, the Fe -Silicate mix that some astrophysicists say should not be possible because of the heat differential between the two. Yet the nickel/iron is there and by some miracle of physics so is the olivine in big beautiful crystals like Imilac and Esquel. Uranium is scattered all over this planet , so if a large planet was trashed in space like Tom said , why no other elemental metals, especially uranium. It's all over this planet, throughout its many layers. Thanks and Good Night All ~* ROMAN (IMCA # 0583) From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] a serious meteorite question! Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:48:39 -0700 Hello List, My daughter and I were discussing iron meteorites, and she came up with a question that I couldn't answer, and I was hoping one of you could. Some people think that there was a large planet between Jupiter and Saturn and it was destroyed by a cataclysmic catastrophe of biblical proportions which resulted in the asteroid belt where most of our meteorites are believed to come from. Does this sound right so far? Iron meteorites are believed to be from the core of a planet such as the one that was destroyed by the cataclysmic catastrophe. Is it thought that some of our iron meteorites come from the asteroid belt? If so, it would seem like different iron falls would match beings they came from the same iron core? Has any two irons from separate falls been matched? It would seem like more than one iron meteoroid would have came from the asteroid belt and end up an iron meteorite. Am I missing something? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier Yea, that's right, The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: OT !!!!.....Stereotypes (was Sylacauga Meteorite)
Shoot Montezuma! Aint No Thang. But, Ya'll Dern Right, Man. Pee's Me Off Too From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Webb) CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: OT .Stereotypes (was Sylacauga Meteorite) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:30:48 -0500 We understand it all too well. As Southerners we enjoy laughing at ourselves but only when it comes from another true Southerner, otherwise it is considered prejudicial. And that’s a major problem in today’s world…..a comment/act is only prejudicial, or racist, or politically incorrect (or WHATEVER term you want to place on it) if it’s uttered or acted out by someone outside the target group. But if it’s uttered or acted out by a member of that target group, then it’s funny. The logic of that totally escapes me. Either it’s offensive, or it isn’t. Period. Sorry for getting off topic. Craig Frisco, TEXAS __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Winterize your home with tips from MSN House Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor crater?
Thanks Ron. I never read any books on Meteor Crater, Az. with any sort of useful, scientifically oriented to meteoritics type information. It's always, Barringer bought it, tried drilling for the mother load of Nickek-Iron, failed, it's 30-50,000yrs. old stuff and that's it. Any ideas where i can get more information like your post . You know Tom Knudson is the one who really wants to go there and, well, give it a shot at finding a chunk of Canyon Diablo, poking its nose out of the dusty desert terrain to take home . Hey, I bought a 6pound Canyon Diablo individual 10 yrs. ago from Bob Haag . It has lots of character- meaning it's not a 6lb. round boring slug of iron. If you bought it to slice it up, it does'nt matter what the shape is, but for my first meteorite at $80.00lb. back then and going for $500.00lb. now with some dealers, it was a great investment that promisses to skyrocket in the near future. Bob told me it would- he's a good man. Email Tom if you get any more info.. Thanks Again and Good Night (IMCA #0583- Roman N.) From: Ron Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Roman Nakonechny [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor crater? Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:15:38 -0800 Hello Roman, I don't see any threads re: this post, re: angle of impact. It has been well documented that objects can and do and will form circular explosion craters when impacting at oblique angles. Case in point, most of the lunar craters are circular. The Meteorite Crater is best described as a square with rounded corners. This is a result of the fracturing at stress point in the strata, which are essentially sedimentary: limestone and sandstone, which were rolled back as one would open a sardine can. Hope this info. is of help. Not trying to be authoritative here. The Meteor Crater ownership and problems re: hunting is a long and evolving story. I could tell you volumes (and perhaps will someday when we meet.) Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Roman Nakonechny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor crater? Yo Tom, I was going to go out there myself a couple of years back and one of the two top meteorite dealers in the world , I forget which, told me that he went out there at night and got nabbed by security personnelin a SUV who have sophisticated equipment to listen for the tell-tale signature frequencies of operating metal detectors. They zeroed in on his sorry -lookin asspergum with homing directional antennae- like when biologists are homing for tagged and trasmitting endangered animals- but the electronics are tuned to metal detector transmit signals. They have night vision scopes, the works. It's not like it used to be , even 5yrs. ago. Just walking around in the blue sky Arizona daylight and looking for wind -erosion unearthed meteorites- the SECURITY people , if they spot you, will check your backpack, especially if you have a shovel the size of a backhoe and are trying to lie your way out of it. The OFF-LIMITS PERIMETER is 6 mls. around Meteor Crater . Hell, you could find a non- Canyon Diablo Stone Meteorite and they will confiscate it, and your backhoe, and your $800.00 Whites metal detector- and you'll spend a night in the nearby jail. This particular dealer went home unnerved at the security attack on him and the jail ing. But at night- they know what your there for man, and it aint to poach tarantulas or antellope. As far as impact angle of entry, and it's my opinion, a beautiful and symmetrical circle- of -a -crater and the near deposition of after- impact iron tells me it was a direct hit - 90*degrees straight up from horizontal ground. I'm curious too about the angle of entry and we have people on our List who might be more informed about the impact dynamics at Meteor Crater . ~~~* Good Luck If You Go Tom. Roman ( IMCA #0583) From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor crater? Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:09:30 -0700 Hello List, Does anyone on the list know much about the impact of the Canyon Diablo meteorite? I would like to know the most current thoughts on entry angle and exact direction. Also when the meteor would have broken up and when pieces would have started falling off the main mass? Any help would be greatly appreciated. : ) I am trying to see if there is any place legal for hunting along it's flight path. Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier Yea, that's right, The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Share holiday photos
Re: [meteorite-list] Invasion of the Angry Galaxy Meteorites
Unbelievable! That's various colors of dried paint , or different clays I'll bet. I would be wary of even approaching that pissed off looking intergalactic cow-patty thing.(IMCA#0583) - Roman From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Invasion of the Angry Galaxy Meteorites Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:41:03 -0800 It looks like man made meteorites are all the rage on eBay these days, this nut has over a dozen listed with a few that even have bids on them. The one with the link below is the most angry looking Galaxy meteorite I have yet seen! It reminds me of that amoeboid creature with the spinning eyeball on the movie Forbidden Planet. This is the most angry looking one yet, kind of reminds me of the psychedelic 60s. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2206448265category=3239 I have a feeling that the next type we see will be edible as some of these look like they were made from cake frosting. All the best, Adam bored in damp Seattle __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ online games and music with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] nantan
Yeseree, it's a teardrop shape INDOCHINITE. You can make out the flow lines and regmaglypts and the bright light yellow-brown color is right. I have a bunch of the different tektite shape. But $200.00 is nuts for a small one like that. The most I've ever paid for a really nice one of that size is $15.00 -$25.00. Later. * Roman (IMCA # 0583) From: Tim Gingell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] nantan Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:53:24 - Please correct me if I am wrong but is this not just a tektite. Tim http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2206201663category=3239 _ Say goodbye to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor crater?
Yo Tom, I was going to go out there myself a couple of years back and one of the two top meteorite dealers in the world , I forget which, told me that he went out there at night and got nabbed by security personnelin a SUV who have sophisticated equipment to listen for the tell-tale signature frequencies of operating metal detectors. They zeroed in on his sorry -lookin asspergum with homing directional antennae- like when biologists are homing for tagged and trasmitting endangered animals- but the electronics are tuned to metal detector transmit signals. They have night vision scopes, the works. It's not like it used to be , even 5yrs. ago. Just walking around in the blue sky Arizona daylight and looking for wind -erosion unearthed meteorites- the SECURITY people , if they spot you, will check your backpack, especially if you have a shovel the size of a backhoe and are trying to lie your way out of it. The OFF-LIMITS PERIMETER is 6 mls. around Meteor Crater . Hell, you could find a non- Canyon Diablo Stone Meteorite and they will confiscate it, and your backhoe, and your $800.00 Whites metal detector- and you'll spend a night in the nearby jail. This particular dealer went home unnerved at the security attack on him and the jail ing. But at night- they know what your there for man, and it aint to poach tarantulas or antellope. As far as impact angle of entry, and it's my opinion, a beautiful and symmetrical circle- of -a -crater and the near deposition of after- impact iron tells me it was a direct hit - 90*degrees straight up from horizontal ground. I'm curious too about the angle of entry and we have people on our List who might be more informed about the impact dynamics at Meteor Crater . ~~~* Good Luck If You Go Tom. Roman ( IMCA #0583) From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor crater? Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:09:30 -0700 Hello List, Does anyone on the list know much about the impact of the Canyon Diablo meteorite? I would like to know the most current thoughts on entry angle and exact direction. Also when the meteor would have broken up and when pieces would have started falling off the main mass? Any help would be greatly appreciated. : ) I am trying to see if there is any place legal for hunting along it's flight path. Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier Yea, that's right, The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Send Your Name to a Comet-OT
Hey Tom, have you seen the movie When Mars Attacks. Well that's the imagery your dream - shattering post stuck in my head , a bunch of pissed-off aliens lookin for the Destroyers Of Worlds on that damning NASA CD to execute and exert revenge upon their World. You are one crazy dude, but I'm glad you're on our side. Good Night Roman (IMCA # 0583) From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: E.J [EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Send Your Name to a Comet-OT Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:52:10 -0700 Hey list; NASA is offering for the public a chance to have their names written to a CD that will be placed on the impactor, thereby leaving their mark on a comet. Are they kidding, Don't do it !!! It will come back to haunt you! One day that comet will strike another inhabited planet killing thousands! There will be an investigation into the cause of the catastrophe and the evidence will point to an attack by an unfriendly neighbor, the evidence, a CD with the names of the perpetrators! Some alien will find your name on that CD and will hunt your butt down! Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier Yea, that's right, The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168 - Original Message - From: E.J [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Send Your Name to a Comet-OT ASTRO NEWS BRIEFS Send Your Name to a Comet In December 2004, NASA plans to launch the Deep Impact spacecraft and send it to Comet Tempel 1. Once it arrives on July 4, 2005, it will shoot a 370-kilogram (816-pound) impactor into the dirty snowball, making a crater some 7-15 stories deep. NASA is offering for the public a chance to have their names written to a CD that will be placed on the impactor, thereby leaving their mark on a comet. If you'd like your name to be on Comet Tempel 1, visit the Deep Impact Web site at http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/sendyourname/index.html. Elton Jones __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The classic country stars are always singing on MSN Radio Plus. Try one month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MADML RFC (was Data in auctions)
You are a MADMAN old sport, but the more DATA the better to make a somewhat
educated decission on whether to pay or not to pay for a piece of (it's
tempting to write it here, no?), but not that . I was going to say piece of
celestial rarity, a meteorite, dear boy. The information overload you've
just dropped on us is refreshing to say the least. It's just what I need
right now at 2:00AM. And yes you are a fascinating GEEK- but loved on this
list just the same. Send more data . The knowledge contained in the
unreachable password protected zipped files of your mind will feed us for
many a year. JAMIE'S THE MAN(-:{
Roman~* (IMCA# 0583) Thanks Jamie dude
From: Jamie Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [meteorite-list] MADML RFC (was Data in auctions)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:42:02 -0600
For posterity, here's the first (and almost certainly the last)
Request For Comments
for the
Meteorite Auction Data Markup Language (MADML) version 1.0
** If you're a big seller and you think you'll never provide this **
** structured data, please let me know. I don't want to waste my **
** time or others'. No hard feelings (from me) at all. **
** If you want to flame me, please be creative. Privacy-invader, **
** user-agreement-abuser, never-seen-the-light-of-day geek, and **
** irresponsible loser are old. I'm a white male. Got to be **
** something there. **
Please send suggestions and comments to me directly. (Apparently the
List can't take much more Jamie-inspired traffic. I'm sympathetic to
the List in this regard.) I'll revise and republish if I have the
guts.
The goal of MADML is to provide a *simple* way to provide pertinent
auction data in a standard format that's easily parsed. With MADML,
it'll be easy to track fine-grained stats over time:
$/g ranges for Howardites
$/g ranges for NWA 998
$/g ranges for unclassified NWA
Number of bidders on Gibeon slices
Number of winners of Eucrites
Etc. (Note that $/g will be ranges, not single numbers.) All could
be easily graphed over time.
N.B. No EBay ID's!
Since EBay auction titles must be short and since sellers will likely
want to maintain complete control over those titles, MADML goes into
the item description, not the title.
Approach 1: An HTML table:
!-- MADML 1.0 --
table border=1
trtd align=rightName:/tdtdDar al Gani 607/td/tr
trtd align=rightMass:/tdtd2.75g/td/tr
trtd align=rightCut:/tdtdPartslice/td/tr
trtd align=rightClassification:/tdtdEUC/td/tr
trtd align=rightShock stage:/tdtd1/td/tr
trtd align=rightWeathering:/tdtd1/td/tr
/table
All bidders could easily see the data. Sellers could wrap whatever
HTML they wanted around the table (including *hiding* the entire
table in an HTML comment).
Approach 2: An HTML comment:
!-- MADML v=1.0 name=Dal al Gani 609 classification=EUC
shock=1 weathering=1 mass=2.75g cut=partslice --
The data would be invisible to bidders. (You can see raw HTML by
using your browser's View Source function (available in my browser
in several places: e.g., from the menu you get by right-clicking on
a blank spot on a page).) The rationale for this HTML comment
approach is to avoid messing with any visual aspects of an item
description.
Approach 3: A text line:
MADML [ name=Dar al Gani mass=2.75g ... ]
A simple, consise, inelegant visible presentation. Not pretty.
Approach 4: Approach 1 wrapped in an HTML comment
The benefit is easy switching from visible to invisible data. Just
remove or add the HTML comment syntax:
!-- Nothing will show up, but the data is still there.
!-- MADML 1.0 --
table border=1
trtd align=rightName:/tdtdDar al Gani 607/td/tr
...
trtd align=rightWeathering:/tdtd1/td/tr
/table
--
Which approach do you prefer?
No matter what format, we (!) want several fields:
name: Required.
Either
1) the unabbreviated name from the Met Bulletin or
2) unabbreviated, unofficial, pre-Bulletin name.
Examples: Northwest Africa 1694 Bensour
mass: Required.
The mass of the specimen offered in grams.
Examples: 2.75g 2345g 0.003g
cut: Required.
One of Individual or Partslice or Fullslice or Fragement or
Endcut or Specks or Speck or Dust or Vapor.
classification: Optional (suggested).
The standard (?) abbreviated classification or unclassified.
See 'http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9278/systemat.htm'.
For achondrites, use the first three letters.
All caps.
Include petrologic type.
Examples: H5 L3.8 EUC HOW CV3 H3-6 H/L3 CV3R
IAB H IMB C-UNGROUPED MES PAL
shock: Optional (suggested). 1-6
weathering: Optional (suggested). 0-6
Comments:
Readers can use online sources to look up classification data from
names, so it's not essential to replicate that data here. However,
it'd be much easier
Re: [meteorite-list] Awesome Meteorites at the Field Museum
Hi Bob, Nice photo's, well done. Say, have you any idea as to the classification of Park Forrest. There was a fellow about 2wks. back selling his fragments for $40.00gram. Is that the going price for it? If so, why? Has this meteorite been tested by an accredited meteoritical lab, with results back yet. He never got back to me. I just told him that every other meteorite he had for sale had a description (e.g.) carbonaceous chondrite, hexahedrite, SNC, coarse octahedrite, howardite, diogenite you get the picture, but absolutely no description for Park Forest. I asked him politely, why are you charging that much for an unclassified basically unknown type meteorite. Then I told him - and maybe this peed him off- that I would'nt pay my own mother $40.00gram for a meteorite that was not checked out or classified and certified by a meteoritical lab. I dont want to hear from Mr. Meteorite Chaser/Hunter that he thinks it's a this and it looks like it resembles a that and sure as hell has the feel of a this and that AND SMELLS LIKE AN IT, if I'm going to fork over $40.00gram. Put even more simply, do you or anybody else know the composition/classification of this meteorite- done by a reputable meteoritical lab, and not by personnal, untrained obsevation. My mail piles up and I can't get to it all, maybe I missed the great moment when P.F. was classified/certified? Any answers will be appreciated. Thanks Bob. Good Night. ~~~* Roman N. (IMCA # 0583) From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Awesome Meteorites at the Field Museum Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:26:03 -0600 Hello List, My wife and I spent the day at the Field Museum in Chicago checking out all of the meteorites in the museum collection. I get a chance to visit the museum a few times a year. They have some great pieces including some really big Murchisons and Allende. They have this incredibly huge( 178lbs ) oriented Bath Furnace meteorite , with beautiful regmaglypts. As well as a ton of Canyon Diablo. I loaded pictures of the Bath , and Canyon Diablos on my Photo page for anyone to view. Click on this link : http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/spacerox2001 The only thing that was frustrating was that for some reason they didnt have their Park Forest meteorite on display. And no matter who I asked , no one seemed to have a clue to where it was. Bob Evans _ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] etchin' juice
Sorry Mark. Corrected link still says (Http Error 404) Cant Connect
Error??. What the heck is Error 404? It's a good name for some punk-rocker
deodorant . You must be running outta juice , baby {:-)~~~* Roman
(IMCA #0583)
From: mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] etchin' juice
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:27:03 +0100
Sorry corrected link this one works!
http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/November/meteorites_101.ht
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Mark F
-Original Message-
From: mark ford
Sent: 16 October 2003 08:44
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] etchin' juice
Harlan,
But safer by far is 'Ferric Chloride', which in my opinion produces
superior results. Hey Nitric is nasty stuff!
See
http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/November/meteorites_101.ht
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(Written By Jim.)
You can get Ferric Chloride from places like Radio Shack or electronics
suppliers (as it's used for etching Electronic Circuit Boards)
Mark F.
-Original Message-
From: Roman Nakonechny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 October 2003 20:52
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] etchin' juice
Yo Harlan,
I bought some a while back- 70% HNO3 . So nasty/pure that
it'll
melt the pennies in your pocket- no kidding. John and his wife Nancy
Run
the Operation. You have to dillute it to 10% with alcohol. Ask John to
be
sure. Unless you have experience with Nitric , better be careful. John
might
be able to pre-mix it or dillute it to 10% for you- be much cheaper that
way. At 70% pure it will nitrify your finger cells and turn them yellow.
A
week after, your skin will drop off. I had a learning experience . Never
Again without gloves, man. Cool Stuff For Amateur
Experiments Though
* (IMCA# 0583)Roman
The Co. name is: PYROTEK
Site:www.pyrotek.org
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From: harlan trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [meteorite-list] etchin' juice
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:55:42 +
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Re: [meteorite-list] etchin' juice
Yo Harlan, I bought some a while back- 70% HNO3 . So nasty/pure that it'll melt the pennies in your pocket- no kidding. John and his wife Nancy Run the Operation. You have to dillute it to 10% with alcohol. Ask John to be sure. Unless you have experience with Nitric , better be careful. John might be able to pre-mix it or dillute it to 10% for you- be much cheaper that way. At 70% pure it will nitrify your finger cells and turn them yellow. A week after, your skin will drop off. I had a learning experience . Never Again without gloves, man. Cool Stuff For Amateur Experiments Though * (IMCA# 0583)Roman The Co. name is: PYROTEK Site:www.pyrotek.org Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: harlan trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] etchin' juice Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:55:42 + _ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com ---BeginMessage--- anybody got 200 ml hno3 etchin juice for sale? Try MSN Messenger 6.0 with integrated webcam functionality! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Pardon me, dude
Tracy, You dont mind if I borrow that visually disgusting but quite suitable remark from dear old dad about one being buried by a fecal snowstorm . Oh, the imagery. It reminds us of a gorgeous flower garden after the addition of the bullshit and the following days of stench from it. Unfortunately for the (IMCA) this particular kind of BS is not going to help it grow. In other words lassies and blokes of the (IMCA) , Cut the crap out and let's get back to Meteorite Central Data Exchange. Enough already. Good Night To All, where ever on this beautiful blue super- chondrule you might reside. ~~~* Go (IMCA)#0583 ROMAN (PS) Take care of youself Mike- Be careful, man! From: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Pardon me, dude Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 05:33:29 + Might I request (for the sake of my in-box and my love of meteorites, which I assume you share) that the combatants confine any muck-slinging to exchanges OFF THE LIST. Did both of you come down with brain fever? I don't recall either of you acting in such a childish way to such an extent previously. I can handle an occasional snide remark, but I fear you are driving new List members away by burying useful information and friendly exchanges under what my father used to call a blizzard of shit. Tracy Latimer _ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Popcorn
Hello Mike T.,
You're just the man I want to talk to.A while back I was told
by a meteorite dealer that Michael Casper had absconded/took -off? with all
his unpaid - for meteorites and that he was also wanted by the Russian Mafia
(lent him money, I assume) and other such stories. Is he back in business
dealing meteorites again?. If so, do you know his web site, assuming he has
one and is still alive?. You mentioned Casper - Farmer debates, are they
in the archives and how long ago were they posted, like what day and month,
year. Don't bother if you don't remember, I know I'm asking a lot of
questions. It's because, the last I had contact with the friendly ghost
Casper, was right after I received their $27.00 catalog which was quite
impressive, but $27.00 Give Me A Break- I was lucky to get it free because
he said I was a new customer. The catalog was full of big-ass meteorites and
a 7foot tall penis artifact in the middle of their meteorite
separation/tagging room (a two page photo)- at least that's what everybody
who I showed that double page of their meteorite room thought the 7ft.
Phallic thing was-or was it Gallic? {:-) . Of course, anybody who did'nt
get the catalog probably thinks I'm making all this up. Aint so folks.
This dealer also said that he was somewhere in Florida lying low hiding
from his creditors, customers he ripped off, and the Russkies- they do not
appreciate not getting paid and will burn your house down after duck taping
you and yours. If I was lied to by this dealer, I'd sure like to know it-
about Michael Casper that is. Thanks for any info. on this subject, either
way.
* Roman (IMCA #0583)
From: tett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael Farmer
[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [meteorite-list] Popcorn
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:03:10 -0400
If it weren't so early on a Sunday morning I too would be making popcorn.
Probably tonight if these posts keep coming as fast and furious.
I would have never thought that the Casper-Farmer debatescould be
topped.
I WAS WRONG.
I hope you get home safe Mike. Again, please post lots of photos.
Cheers,
Mike Tettenborn aka tett
Owen Sound, Ontario
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Re: [meteorite-list] Another note about this place.
Your getting your moneys worth on this vacation Mike. As big as a hand? Is it poisonous? Personally, the damn Snakes would ruin this wonderful vacation for me, man. Would be like NAM. From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Another note about this place. Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:37:14 -0700 (PDT) I gave a nice sum of money to the red cross here today, they are helping the relief efforts. In the news was a terrible report, reminding me of the plagues of the old testiment. As if the floods are not bad enough, now the snakes are killing scores of people. With almost every inch of ground under water, millions of snakes including King Cobras, are swarming all the dry land, which happens to be where the people are crowding as well, and people are being bitten and dieing all over from snakebites. the rice crops are ruined, and will take months to replant and mature. If any of you want, please make a small donation to the red cross, they help so many people all over the world. I saw 20 or 30 snakes today, most dead, killed on the roads, but some alive, all small, no cobras, but my driver assured me all were very dangerous. I also saw a spider today that was hanging in a web, but was larger than my hand! not a taruntula, but a friggen spider that big, it scared the crap out of me, as I am terribly frightened of spiders. ill have nightmares about it tonight. Mike __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] another note from India
Yo! Mike,
Loose Lips Sink Ships, man. You never know if a cobra is looking
over your shoulder . Be careful, and delete any messages sent, for Christ's
sake. Your stories are truly worthy of being written into a meteorite
hunter true adventure book. But you have to come back from the malaria-
bug infested swamps and rice paddies to write the story. I'm reading your
emails here in eastern U.S.A. at 3:00AM - EST ( bet that's starting to
sound real good bout now, ey Mike? )- U.S.A. that is. Anyway buddy ,
chew -up this Email and swallow it (delete) and have a safe trip home. God
Bless.~~~* VIVA ALLENDE . Roman N.
(PS) Any guesses as to the composition of this meteorite, Mike? . I'm sorry
if you already stated what it resembles, I've been away and there's like 350
Emails accumulated from the list and I have'nt read them all. Guess not, ey.
{:-)
From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [meteorite-list] another note from India
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:30:34 -0700 (PDT)
Another day has dawned, finally sunny, no rain in
sight thank god. Over 5 million people are severely
affected by the floods according to todays newspaper.
After yesterdays tragedy, i really dont feel like
leaving the hotel for any sort of longjourney today, i
will go to a Tiger preserve today for some more
tourism.
I am still waiting on a call for a piece today, but
will leave here early tomorrow, regardless of whether
it comes or not.
There have been some questions posed as to exactly how
much meteorite there is. Even here noone has any idea.
There was one 5.7 kilogram stone, that I held, then i
know of another which landed nearby and was smashed up
into many fragments, it should also have been 5 or 6
kilos.
Then another piece that hit the hut, the one where my
already controversial fragment came from, that stone
weighed 5-8 kilos, and was also smashed by the
natives. It has dissapered, some fragments to
different people, the largest piece taken by a
policeman who has not been found yet. they are trying,
i have gotten calls every few hours, so they are
trying. I offered a nice price for it.
There seem to be alreay some rumors coming out through
Atul's contacts. I have made no firm offer on anyhting
other than a large price should they acquire me a
large piece. No 70,000 rupees offered for anything, as
I have seen nothing to buy. The stones in the custody
of the revenue minister in Kendrapara are of course
off limits as the local and federal government are
already fighting over them.
So I do not know the total weight or even how many
stones were found, but to the best figuring it is only
3 known to exist. Unfortunately it was sunset when I
had to divert from car to motorcycle the other nice to
get to the village where the hut smasher fell, and
since it was flooded, and almost dark, I left my
camera in the car. So I did not get a photo of the
crater and damage to the hut, and it is impossible, to
far to go back to that village.
According to the people, virtually millions saw the
fall, the firball exploded and broke into many pieces,
many explosions, boom boom boom boom boom, like that
they said, it is clear that the meteorite broek up
very high and into many pieces, it was so large I
assume that likely hundreds of stones fell. The
village where the hut smasher fell, the people
described the fire in the sky that made all of the
women and children scream in terror, lasted a few
seconds, then came the booming sounds, then one or two
minutes later, screaming sounds like they had never
heard, then the people still outside saw the dirt
flying and the stone bounce accross the village
square. They said they heard several such sounds, but
since it was already dark, they do not know where the
others landed, and the village like all others, is
very tiny, just one small trail in between the rows of
huts. It is on a raised little island, surrounded by
swamps and rice paddies. It is clear that many more
stones fell nearby, but now sit 3 feet under water in
the mud, never to be found. that is the only stone
that landed on the raised village.
As far as the homes that burned, it has nothing to do
with the meteorite as far as i can tell, they were in
villages that saw the fireball, and i think they just
associated the disaster with the firball.
One neat bit of local lore, the Hindus here believe in
many gods, one of which is names Indra, the god of
lightning, a bad god who likes to kill people by
throwing lightning and killing people and cows
(apparently hundreds are killed here by lightning, no
wonder due to the everyday thunderstorms and everyone
working in the rice paddies). they all thought that
this was a terrible punishment from Indra, who through
burning stones at the people. they also all asked me
how to protect themselves from the lightning, of
course I have no answer, only get out of the rain when
it comes.
The people look at me like some kind of strange being,
most in
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% offeverything on ...
Because, just like unreputable mall retailers there are many unreputable wannabe meteorite dealers, unfortunately. From: Randy Mils [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% offeverything on ... Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:45:19 -0700 _ Help protect your PC. Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ---BeginMessage--- Here is an idea.. Reputable retailers (like at the mall) will give you a reduction in price ifan item you buy goes on sale within a reasonable amount of time. Why wouldn't this work for meteorite dealers? Example If I sell XXX meteorite this week for $100- per gram and then put it on sale next week for $50- per gram, I give a partial refund to everyone who bought it from me the first week. Randy From: Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Michael Cottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,M come Meteorite Meteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% offeverything on ... Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:12:05 -0700 Michael, Why don't I "PRAISE some of the CHEAPEST prices around?" Read my article this month in METEORITE TIMES. If you read that and STILL can't figure out why I don't "PRAISE some of the CHEAPEST prices around?" Let me make it clear right here: When you offer merchandise for a given price, then offer the same material later for less - then, if you don't sell all of it at that price, you offer it later for even less - over and over and over, as you do, Michael, you create several effects that go far beyond your personal reality. For one thing, you give buyers the message they should never buy now, wait, and the price will go down (however, this only badly hurts all dealers, not necessarily the collectors.). However, you ALSO burn ALL your own customers who paid more for this material when you originally offered it. I buy something from you for $3.50/g and 2 weeks later you drop the price to $1.75/g - I feel RIPPED OFF. (perhaps you STILL don't get this, despite doing this to all of us who invested heavily in Wagon Wheel - which you, then proceeded to GIVE AWAY. Those of us in for $3.50 a gram felt really burned and I, for one, told you that strait to your face and I KNOW several others who did as well.) ALSO, when you do this, there is NO STABILITY in the meteorite market. Low prices, I am all for it. My collection has never been "gaining weight" so fast. I can make just as much money dealing low priced material as high priced material. No problem. It is the instability that TOTALLY destabilizes everything It really doesn't matter (on a market level) whether meteorites are "cheap" or "expensive" - of course, as a collector, I prefer them cheap - but as a dealer, I don't care one way or the other. WHAT I DO CARE ABOUT IS STABILITY. Without it, neither collectors OR dealers can conduct business in a sane manor. Your CONSTANT "fire sales" followed by even greater fire sales undermine that stability entirely. No one can reckon the "value" of material, because the prices are running all over the board. But you get your cash in hand NOW and that is all you care about. So, Michael, THAT is why I don't "praise some of the cheapest prices around." Get it? Or, is it STILL too subtle for you? I resent it as a collector and I resent it as a dealer. Sincerely, Michael Blood on 10/8/03 12:27 AM, Michael Cottingham at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Maybe I just really don't want to sell that piece that bad!!! Hey ...why don't you look at the other pieces and PRAISE some of the CHEAPEST prices around! Really folks ...don't look for ghosts on this one. Either buy the pieces or don't. It is all up front and it is a public sale. Michael Michael Cottingham - Original Message - From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% off everything on ... it resolves with these useless sentences Matteo --- Michael Cottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: It is something else Michael - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% off everything on ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matteo and Michael Blood should go back to bed...you nit wits! C'mon Michael (C.) - that doesn't really address Michael (B.)'s inquiry about your "discount" pricing. If it's just a
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Check this ebay add out!!!
That's an excellent (IMCA) self-preservation plan Robert. I thought that we're the International Meteorite Collectors Association and not the Buyer Protection Association. True Collectors usually know what to look for in a potential meteorite specimen and if they are in doubt they can ask the great body of information from many fields that is the (IMCA). Good Night All. * Roman N. (I.M.C.A. # 0583) From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED],Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Check this ebay add out!!! Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 06:38:01 -0700 (PDT) write..not answer... Matteo --- Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all that are concerned: Forget the eBay auction!! This seller isellmeteorites (nohedoesn't) has had a web site for some time, now, under the name ComstockMeteorites.com (800)-474-7284 http//www.ComstockMeteorites.com where numerous desert-varnished terrestrial rocks have been offered for sale as meteorites. My suggestion is, should you have any questions about ComstockMeteorites business practices, feel free to contact them directly on their website or phone number. But don't interfere with any seller's eBay auctions, and risk causing problems for the rest of us. - [meteorite-list] Check this ebay add out!!! Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:52:11 -0700 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Garza Impact Display and Other Concerns Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2194471420 Thanks, Tom __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today! https://broadband.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Check this ebay add out!!!
That's an excellent (IMCA) self-preservation plan Robert. I thought that we're the International Meteorite Collectors Association and not the Buyer Protection Association. True Collectors usually know what to look for in a potential meteorite specimen and if they are in doubt they can ask the great body of information from many fields that is the (IMCA). Good Night All. * Roman N. (I.M.C.A. # 0583) From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED],Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Check this ebay add out!!! Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 06:38:01 -0700 (PDT) write..not answer... Matteo --- Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all that are concerned: Forget the eBay auction!! This seller isellmeteorites (nohedoesn't) has had a web site for some time, now, under the name ComstockMeteorites.com (800)-474-7284 http//www.ComstockMeteorites.com where numerous desert-varnished terrestrial rocks have been offered for sale as meteorites. My suggestion is, should you have any questions about ComstockMeteorites business practices, feel free to contact them directly on their website or phone number. But don't interfere with any seller's eBay auctions, and risk causing problems for the rest of us. - [meteorite-list] Check this ebay add out!!! Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:52:11 -0700 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Garza Impact Display and Other Concerns Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2194471420 Thanks, Tom __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: I got a 7 kilograms meteorite from allende Mexico for sale...
Hi Hector, You have a very special meteorite there, as I'm sure you know if your grandpa told you anything. And it's a huge piece of it. Some people might want to buy the whole stone for quite a high price, so dont butcher it up, man. I mean , break it up or slice it until you check with some top dealers who have connections all over the world . This is the right place to start looking and we'll try to help you as much as possible. You've got a lot of money in that special rock and people know what it's worth. Secure it in a trusted bank security box first or if you're out in the sticks (farmlands) you know how to hide something. just be careful, OK?. Call Robert Haag , The Meteorite Man- Tucson, Arizona ,U.S.A.. Just ask Directory Assistance for the number. He's the man to deal/sell with and he's fair, that is if you want to sell a super ancient 7kilo rock from OUTER SPACE. It's 4.5 billion yrs. old. It's what the Sun and Earth were created from. That's the condensed cloud/nebula hardened that you're holding in your hand. It's very rare. Take care of it. You're one lucky guy, man. GOOD LUCK. A lot of people from our Meteorite Association Listwill help you out further. There's a wealth of info. here. Wise choice to start here Hector- Stay Sharp. From: Roman Nakonechny ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ( IMCA # 0583) From: hector chavez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: I got a 7 kilograms meteorite from allende Mexico for sale... Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 06:24:32 + DSC00958.JPE DSC00959.JPE DSC00960.JPE DSC00961.JPE _ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es I got a 7 kilograms aprox. meteorite from allende Mexico, and i want to sale it, how much can i get for it?, I get it from my grandfather after he die and it is very big, this are some pictures of the meteorite. I will thank you if you can tell me what can I do, what should i do to sale it and what is the price i should ask for,@ HECTOR CHAVEZ RUIZ @
Re: [meteorite-list] AW: Meteorite from Jupiter
Woah Norbert, You Rock. Great analysis dude. From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED],John Gwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] AW: Meteorite from Jupiter Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:00:01 +0200 Sterling, John, and List, Hmmm, maybe it isn't a scam at all ;-? I'm not saying that I believe in Jovian meteorites, but I know that people can easily misunderstand any information about meteorites. The letter states: During a conversation with her, one of the meteorites was identified as coming from the planet Jupiter. Now, I heard similar statements before, e.g., I told a friend who isn't into meteorites that most of these rocks from space have their origin in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, and I also told him about Martian and lunar meteorites. He told this to another friend, but left out a few bits of information. When the other friend called me back, and wanted to have a look at my collection he was very excited to see my rocks from Mars and Jupiter ;-) So, maybe Mrs. Cheung's meteorites are real, in the end. Facts are often getting mixed up, and I guess we can't exclude this possibility. Anyway, have fun, and imagine a gaseous meteorite, or - even better - a block of frozen hydrogen in its solid metal state ;-) Best, Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Aha! The old Meteorite from Jupiter scam. You buy a precious piece of the Great Gas Giant. It arrives in a chilled container. You put it in your display case. The next morning, it's gone! All evaporated! Another sucker has fallen for the Vanishing Hydrogen Racket! The Jovians have another good laugh at the expense of the Foolish Earthlings! Sterling -- --- John Gwilliam wrote: Hello List, In this morning's mail, I received an unusual letter from a Mrs. Cheung in Alamo, California. The letter says they are contacting me (the recipient of the letter) for a friend who wants some help selling some meteorites in her possession. It goes on to say that some of the stones have already been identified as meteorites by the Bishop Museum in Honolulu. They list five different samples that have been identified by the museum and they list densities for the specimens but no weights. Here is the interesting information in the letter. In addition to the samples she has given us some photographs of the meteorites. During a conversation with her, one of the meteorites was identified as coming from the planet Jupiter. Imagine that, a meteorite from Jupiter! If anyone wants to pursue this, let me know and I'll give you the contact information;-) Best, John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Park forest pictures
Well it's an honor to meet you Mr. Evans. Howdy . Are you really the sausage selling Bob Evans, if not , which is most likely then I've been told a fib. But you can keep the honor part of the Hello. But seriously, I clicked the link to the photo's and was sent to a Yahoo commercial asking me for my Yahoo Email and Password . I'm not a Yahoo subscriber. Why are they All Over your site, Bob. And yes, I clicked on Meteorites and didly squat was my next stop, and Yahoo asking again for my Email and Password?? Well, I dont blame you Bob, but I cant figure out why it is'nt linking to the photos. Thanks for trying to put them up for the list anyway. Maybe it's just me. `~* ROMAN N. # 0583 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Park forest pictures Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:05:34 EDT Hello Rob List The link should work now for anyone who wants to view them. http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/spacerox2001 Thanks Bob Evans __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF TOPIC - Unusual
Hey Mikey,
I'm from Brasil (true spelling) and all OFF TOPIC'S should be
so fascinating. I wish I could've seen the feathery and colorful
illegals(joke).Even parrot's are COMIN TO AMERICA like the Neil Diamond
Global Hit Song. But it's the warm climate in San Diego, which is similar to
parts of South America that has allowed them to survive and will probably
propagate . The will pass by your house again . The species has homing
capabilities- to known food sources. Let's hope some ignorant rural's don't
shoot them out of the sky. In Brasil we would all come out of our school
rooms when hundreds flew noisily overhead.It was like a living rainbow-
coollest thing to see. Real nice OFF TOPIC.
Now, back to fusion crusted birds of another kind- METEORITES {:-)
*#0583 - OUT
From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [meteorite-list] OFF TOPIC - Unusual
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:10:43 -0700
WARNING: This is off topic, so, some/many of you may wish to hit
your delete button.
Yesterday (Sept. 8) a very unusual occurrence took place in my
yard: A flock of a dozen parrots came to eat my leftover sunflower
seeds!
When I went out to pick up the paper at about 8 AM I was alerted
when a neighbor lady called out to me, Mr. Blood, there are parrots in
your sunflowers! And, to my delight and amazement, there were,
indeed, parrots feeding off the Russian Giant Sunflowers! I had left
most of them to dry in the sun, even though the birds had been eating
them. but I had surely never seen parrots doing so.
In fact, there were twelve of them an entire flock. And
beautiful they were, indeed. Most amazing, they were clearly
all the same species.
I grabbed my camera and went out to get some photos. You can see
most of the photos I captured of these beautiful creatures at:
http://community.webshots.com/album/89632975MfUNTL
(Particularly nice are photos # P16 P15)
I later researched the species. They had beautiful blue
heads, orangish top beak and near black bottom beak with
a little blue in their underwing and red in the underside of
some of their tail feathers. Their legs and feet were flesh
colored and when I later examined their photos closely, I
could see no bands on any of their legs, indicating they likely
escaped bird importers in the Tiajuana area and/or have
bread in the wilds of this area. They turned out to be Sharp-tailed
Conures (Aratinga acuticaudata) which are native to Brazil,
Bolivia, Uruguay and Argentina. So, they are clearly an escaped
flock that have naturalized in the area.
It is very rare to see parrot flocks in San Diego, but one
hears of them appearing here there on occasion. Usually,
however, such flocks are reported to contain mixed species
of parrots, presumably attracted to their own kind having
escaped captivity individually. This is the only occurrence
I have been aware of where an entire flock was the same
species.
In any event, I will certainly be planting more sunflowers
next year!
Best wishes, Michael
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[meteorite-list] Re: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] Opinions Wanted re: Stony Meteorite
Howdy John, It sure looks like it might be Nickel Ore. I have a beautiful chunk of nickel ore that my daughter found when we were walking on R.R. tracks by a park. The slow LOCO'S carry some of the most interesting ores and when overloaded we pick up the ones strewn about a slightly shaky bend . I think we have a 1/2 lb. piece of iridium, not sure yet. Try finding some of the ores ,processed or in natural state, I guarantee you you wont . Any dealers , if you sell exotic metals, processed or natural ores, I'd be glad to talk to you- legal stuff, of course. Could I ask if there are any metal processing plants near you John- steel mill in particular. And how reliable is the witnessed fall story accompaying the stony specimen?. Can you make out any fusion crust , I mean with flow lines and contraction cracks, thumb-prints (regmaglypts) - who came up with that name for hyper-velocity frictionally removed material from a pre-impact meteor, just as bad I guess :-). Regmaglypts it is. Seriously , I've sent specimens to a Dr. Kring and Professor Swindel (real name) at the University of Arizona- Lunar and Planetary Sciences Bldg.. they were one among the scientists who proved the existence of the Jurassic Extinction Event Crater somewhere around Central America, I think?, I know it's around there but the exact name escapes me for now. Or send it to Bob Haag- THE METEORITE MOGUL MAN- he's a very nice guy to talk to and he loves identifying piles of rocks sent to him from all over the globe. If he can't I.D. it he also sends them to the University of Arizona scientists. You cant go wrong with those guy's - their 50lb. brains and glad to help attitudes are great. They will I.D. the sucker. I hope this has been helpful.GOOD LUCK ~* ROMAN N. (IMCA #0583) From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] Opinions Wanted re: Stony Meteorite Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:43:59 -0700 Hello all- I would like to get some of your opinions on a specimen that I was told was from an unclassified witnessed fall. I have put a number of photos up which can be viewed at: http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/Stony_Meteorite/ Thanks in advance! Cheers John John Birdsell Arizona Skies Meteorites _ bGet MSN 8/b and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List arguments
TOUCHE, on the frieken constant bickering about Ebay Steve. Sounds like you're going to have a great time on Muir. Have fun and watch out for bear. Remember to make some noise on the trail. Or carry some heat just in case . ~~~* ROMAN N. ! ALLENDE RULES ! (IMCA # 0583) From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED],Meteorite Central [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List arguments Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:31:43 -0700 (PDT) --- Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sure am glad that I am leaving for California to hike the John Muir this coming Friday...No Phones, No email and best of all...NO LIST ARGUMENTS!!! I will be back on September 15th. Best wishes to all of you for as peaceful coming month as I am going to have. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 Catch a Falling Star Meteorites http://www.catchafallingstar.com And these stupid arguments always seem to be over Ebay. The numerous adds and boasting over how well or bad some dealer is doing in their Ebay quests. Why not just take it somewhere else? A complete list for Ebay adds, arguments, and just a great place for dealer bickering. This list should be for meteorites, not an Ebay grandstand. Steve Schoner/ams P.S. Just one more reason for me to hate Ebay. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] IMCA LOGO?
Hey tom, Could be Ebay is not allowing our site logo to go on because of the things going on the last weeks - Cries of meteorwrongs and such , I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. But I could be wrong, maybe another seller might respond with a better answer. Good Luck (IMCA # 0583) Roman N. From: Tom aka james Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] IMCA LOGO? Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:22:54 -0700 Hello, I copied my logo to my ebay auction and it did not come in right. Can anyone tell me why? You can see the problem at; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2184983664 Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the I.M.C.A. #6168 _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RE: This endless God thread!!!
Dear Gabriel, Nice name by the way. As you know, there are meteorites that cannot be adequately explained(composition, chondrule color and shapes, inclusions that make no sense, origins of the particular meteorite, etc.) yet there they are right in front of us. Hubble is taking pictures of objects that are forcing astronomers and physicists around the world to rethink and change their once perfect explanations of phenomenon out there that challenge their beliefs in the perfection of physics and its being the answer to all processes, terrestrial and celestial . Physics does explain a lot, here on Earth , and even here there are mysteries that science in all its branches can't explain, but once you look up at the majesty of the only thing greater than yourself-THE COSMOS - there's no way you can tell me you do not feel the presense of a creator silently whispering , This I Made For You And My Others , not actually vocalizing it you understand. You can't see the wind but you can observe the effect of it , from gentleness to mighty Tornadic fury. I tend to be slightly skeptical too, but every time I hold my meteorites , from 4.6 billion yr. old Allende 156gr. whole 98% fusion crust, to the mystery of Imilac 123 gr. slice- it's as long as your palm and 4in. wide, and it should not have been able to crystalize/form the way it did at all-there's plenty of theories too many to mention, everyone's got one ,you know what I mean. Einstein wanted to understand the mind of God, he did not accomplish it, God gave him a teeny tiny taste but that's all .Maybe now he understands The Great Purpose of life and the mysteris that keep us looking for more teeny tiny tastes. Meteorites are Boss .(IMCA #0583) OUT From: Gabriel De Kooker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RE: This endless God thread!!! Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 06:42:41 + I agree completely with Dennis. Religion is merely the opiate of the masses of people with a need to believe in supernatural entities that control our lives. The bible is to full of contradictions to be believed and the official word is that the new testament was created by Piso under orders from Julius Ceasar to placate the slaves of Rome eg: Turn the other cheek. It is a basic thought control meme that has gotten out of hand 2000 years after it's creation and has outlived it's true purpose. I only believe in proven scientific facts and I believe in the bible just about as much as the stories in the tabloids. BTW the ark was supposed to be 450 feet long but to fit in 1 animals it would have needed to be 100 miles wide ! And to have boarded all those animals in one day they would have boarded at a rate of 1000's every second. Let's just leave religion and politics off this list and only speak meteorite and astronomic related topics please _ Rain coat or t-shirt? Find out with MSN Weather http://www.msn.co.za/weather/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: eBay Likes and Dislikes
Hey someone named Gregory, Are you the guy who had mentioned something about bulls in a china closet when we were having the SEX and meteorites contest. I think it was you, if youre the Gregory in question, and a Pekka Slov... from Finland I believe who basically made everybody cave and quit out of the contest. What kind of elitist atitude was that anyway ?. I treat meteorites and electronic equipment with the white glove treatment , so to speak, and the only BULL was your and the Pekkas . You sound like a lawyer, could I be mistaken or is that your way of trying, in your own mind to project your self -deluded Princely qualities to the list.wow I'm awed by the name and I actually copied it from your email, unlike the barbarian who responded to my email . ~~~* Good Morning Where It Is So (IMCA 0583) Roman Nakonechny * Gregory, Some day you get the bear and some day the bear gets you. SIDDHARTA BUDDHA ca. 500 B.C.Lay off the coffee, buddy. Lawyers and coffee = CORONARY. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: eBay Likes and Dislikes Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 03:11:27 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm with Steve, SCREW the millions who like ebay. Please excuse my limited vocalization on the subject. Oh, time to call the damn cat in. I would have enjoyed chatting with ya'll but there's this pissed -off black bear out here in my little forest that'll kill my dumb-ass cat. Good Night, and I hope one falls right on the head of that Stinkin To High Heaven bear. And if one does, it will not be sold anywhere, it'll become a family treasure from the great beyond-Space. I dont care how ugly it is. Ebay sucks. Let's get back to over -the- phone and talking to a live human being on the other phone. Dont act like sheep . If that's opposing counsel's viewpoint, well.I rest my case. Btw, you might give some thought to coffee. ;-) Gregory _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RE: This endless God thread!!!
I'm laughing my ass off Dennis, Now that's what I call an irate Rant . Did you step on any PAHOEHOE lava that was'nt quite cooled off yet today. My wife said reading your Rant makes her want to scream Blasphemer. She's laughing too. From: Dennis Triglia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: This endless God thread!!! Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:01:53 -1000 I had been patient and quiet until now. Christians really piss me off. They think the universe revolves around THEIR wonderful lord Jesus Christ and everyone else is in the dark. What arrogance! There are many religious beliefs (or lack of them) held by members of this group. Now can we PLEASE put this topic to bed and talk about meteorites? Join a damned fundamentalist newsgroup and preach to your own choir about the wonders of YOUR bible. Dennis Triglia IMCA #0885 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 6:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of the moon /god/meteorites Beautiful testamony Steve God gave each and every human being the right of free will. Some chose the darkness, many don't know they are in the darkness, others know they are in the darkness but are afraid to seek the truth, while many of us choose to seek the light and the truth. It is interesting to see those in the dark squirm and get upset when the Creator is mentioned. Mr. Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: eBay Likes and Dislikes
I'm with Steve, SCREW the millions who like ebay. Please excuse my limited vocalization on the subject. Oh, time to call the damn cat in. I would have enjoyed chatting with ya'll but there's this pissed -off black bear out here in my little forest that'll kill my dumb-ass cat. Good Night, and I hope one falls right on the head of that Stinkin To High Heaven bear. And if one does, it will not be sold anywhere, it'll become a family treasure from the great beyond-Space. I dont care how ugly it is. Ebay sucks. Let's get back to over -the- phone and talking to a live human being on the other phone. Dont act like sheep . From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: eBay Likes and Dislikes Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:28:28 -0700 Steve, that is the dumbest thing that I have ever heard. You don't like meteorites being sold there? You are being a hypocrite now. You have bought meteorites on ebay. This discussion is really stupid, so what if one person doesn't like ebay. Millions of people do. End of story. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: eBay Likes and Dislikes --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When it comes to my opinion of E-bay, my mind cannot be changed. I made up my mind when E-bay first appeared, and my opinon today remains the same Yes, you've made that crystal clear. ;-) The listees who have posted that they like ebay, have all offered reasons for feeling that way. Do you have any reasons for your opposing opinion? Certainly there's no value in provoking a petty argument, that's not helpful for anyone. But with so many collectors, dealers, experts, novices, and the meteorite hobby itself seemingly getting so much visibility and benefit from ebay, I suspect I'm not alone in wondering what the other side of the coin might possibly be, that makes you not just indifferent to it, but so vehemently opposed. Gregory Gregory, No need for me to rehash it now, for it is all in the archives, how many years back, I cannot remember, where I hashed out my opinion about Ebay then. I dislike Ebay, hate the meteorite sales there in fact. And if the archives don't explain it, I won't explain it now. Someday, I might sell some items there, but certainly never a meteorite. I'll just leave it at that. Steve Schoner/ams __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fair Price for Park Forest?
Hey Walter, Do these look like Park Forest to you, first of all. I have'nt seen any close-ups till this set, but for a fresh fall, which we'll assume these are meteorites and they did'nt hit a dog, cow, crashed through a roof and destroy any CPU peripherals(printers, etc.), or the owner-for a supposedly untested L6, one of our list allegedly eyeballed it as an L6 Chondrite - a fair price would be in the neighborhood of $10.00gram. But you have to tell the owner that condition is a factor in pricing it- you know, fusion crust coverage percentage, fractures (pieces missing). I personally would wait and see what the 50lb. heads (scientists) come up with as far as any unusual composition, cause you might regret selling it so fast if it has a unique composition. Unless you know for a fact that they have a definitive analysis on this sucker, already, I would advise the fellow to wait it out and not join in in the selling frenzy. There's some guy on (SELL IT NOW)like Ebay, I personally never heard of it, maybe it's a part of Ebay, is selling his for $200.00gram-that's just greediness if the fall has'nt even been analyzed, even if it is a scientificaly proven ordinary L6, $200.00gr.? you gotta be out of your frieken mind to pay that. One of the List, I think it's Matteo(mcomemeteorites.it) wrote a check it out about the $200.00gram fellow. I hope that helps you a little bit. Nice to meet you. ~* Out of The Smoke Trail IMCA #0583 -Roman N. From: walter branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Fair Price for Park Forest? Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:40:06 -0500 Hello Everyone, I received this email a few minutes ago. Anyone care to step up to the plate and suggest a fair retail price, on or off list. The images the person provided are here: http://www.branchmeteorites.com/temp/Dscf0033.jpg http://www.branchmeteorites.com/temp/Dscf0034.jpg Hi, I saw your web site and wanted to get your thoughts on a fair selling price for some Park Forest meteorites I found over the last few days. I have included a few phots of my finds: Aprox. Weights 119.5 grams 16.1 g 6.5 g 5.4 g 3.6 g Thanks! -Walter - www.branchmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest orders
Hello Michael, First, let me say nice to meet you, on this thing of ours. I have'nt read all the Email- so I dont know if any conclusive analysis has been made yet by a trained astrochemist or some Meteorite Lab on a genuine sample of Park Forest. I just need to know if you know, or heard, that it's an impact melt breccia. You sound like one happy dude. Must be great to find some meteorites and buy a keeper. Yor enthusiasm is infectious. You been hangin'round HAAG-man or something? SEE YA! ( IMCA #0583) Roman N. From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Park Forest orders Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:02:14 -0700 Hi again everyone, I am sending this here since I have too many orders to answer individually. I am requesting that all who want pieces of this meteorite, send me payment via paypal for watever $$$ amount you want to buy. I do not know what the final price will be, but you all read the emails so ytou know it will be near or maybe over $30 gram for those who want nice pieces. This is an impact-melt breccia, and I have not seen it cut but know it will be absolutely stunning. I will handle all orders by what you want, and if we decide I cant fill your order, the paypal payment can simply be cancelled and the money credited to yuor paypal acount with no fee. This will let me have more money available here to buy more if more comes available. I will of course, do my best to give those of you who want to help by doing this the best pieces and deals possible. Mike Farmer paypal account, [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Allende Inclusions?
Hey tom. It's probably light green olivine that crystallized with other pre-solar nebular material, silicates in particular- some of which have no color hue. I've seen many different color hues in my Allende slice and the fascinating and sometimes perfect chondrules when observing them under an American Optical 1000x microscope- rotated down to 100x of course. There's a great book with a section on chondrules alone called (Brazilian Meteorites)and you can get it from: Bethany Sciences (Ron Farrell), New Haven ,CT. . He sold me my first meteorite, Allende, a 156gram 95% fusion crust and a 5gr. slice so that I could better see the chondrules. The whole chondrite has a 1/2in. piece cracked off of it from impacting a widows porch roof. Scared her to death when the rest of the stones came in hypersonic and rained down on(Village Of Allende). Last told, she still has a 10kilo Allende with a beautiful, undamaged, black skin buried on her farm 2ft. down in a plastic trash bag. Imagine a slice off of a 10 kilo Allende , and all the calcium/aluminum and other inclusions, like Gold, Silver, Brass balls- sorry, meant chondrules:), lets not go back there, please! An (e.g.) from the book that I'm pretty sure some of us collectors of nebular fragmented accretions (meteorites), is the description of Chondrule Textures: 1-Porphyritic 2-Barred and Rimmed 3-Excentro-Radial and 4-Granular Porphyritic. It took me 3 years before I found out that Chondrules were formed by the spontaneous crystallization of freely-floating highly-supercooled droplets of melt- in my opinion the best description that everybody can visualize- not my description, I forget where I copied it from? The've found chondrules with tiny nickel/iron cores. Then you throw at your friends or family that the Earth is nothing but a MACRO -CHONDRULE and you've lost'em. Hey, I get excited about free-floating spheres, especially when they have names, you know what I mean? Sorry about the lengthy response Tom. It's 3:54AM here and I've been watching way too much War T.V. You can't help but get hooked on it!(GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS) ~~* From The Smoke Trail (IMCA#0583) Roman N. 3-27-2003 From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Allende Inclusions? Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:45:06 -0700 Hello List, I was looking at my Allende and noticed a clear inclusion with a light green tinge, can any one tell me what this is? Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] m-wrong? or a new find(ahem)
Relax fellas. I know a guy who has a copper meteorite with tin flow lines, really cool BRONZE-ITE:). Between the Green Man and the Gold Man and Volcanic Bombs from Space, which one was the mother of all the bombs? YA gotta laugh. IMCA#0583 From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Waldron Cluett [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] m-wrong? or a new find(ahem) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:13:36 -0800 (PST) meteorwrong regards Matteo --- Waldron Cluett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here we go again... Wally Cluett IMCA 9746 http://www.wondersofthemine.com/store/geodes/volmet/uvm.shtml Toad Hollow Gallery Handcrafted Jewelry 2517 Wakefield Road (Rte. 153) Wakefield, NH 03872 (603)522-6529 visit us on line at: http://groups.msn.com/ToadHollowHappenings _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] The golden meteorite
I once new a guy who said he could make a meteorite-IRON - to be specific, he did'nt know about the (Widmanstten Pattern) test though. So I let him try and then I surprised him with the (WIDMANSTATTEN PATTERN)test with Nitric Acid. This person needs to be penalized for making the list look like the guy who fabricated the Iron, as I mentioned. The word is -SEND IT TO ARIZONA UNIVERSITY'S PROFSSOR SWINDLE(really is his name) and DR. KRING , both highly eduated in meteorite-sujects and they would certainly welcome the opportunity to test what could be a fantastic ONE-OF-A-KIND Specimen - which is highly unlikely. Where did he test this thing? There's no way! Are there any flow lines- you would think gold flow lines would be preserved forever, unless water worn-out. NO #$%#@ing way! Sad is right. ~* From The Smoke Trail , Roman n. (IMCA # 0583) From: Justin Boros [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] The golden meteorite Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:32:39 -0500 Hello all, It's too bad that I had to log into my email this morning and see the gold meteorite. I can't believe someone would have the audacity to sell such garbage. It reminds me of micromike and his frass meteorite in a way. I agree that we as a collecting community took a blow with this one, and I tend to agree that action of some sort should be taken, as we honest people shouldn't have to be subjected to a setback like this. And too the guy who's selling the gold meteorite, with all due respect, talk is cheap, and getting overly defensive won't help your cause. Give us NAMES of the researchers who classified it AND SEM/XRD analyses, please. Oh, and gemologists study gemstones and the art of cutting them, not meteorites. I'm not trying to be rude and I really wish gold could fall from the sky, but I'll believe it when I hear that Andrea Patzer, Alan Rubin et al. said likewise. Justin #6281 _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
