Re: [meteorite-list] NP Article, 07-1896 Meteorite Kills Children, Brings Rain

[magellon]

Mike, Mark and All,
Actually there are lots of News articles of meteorite fatalities.
The question is "Are they true?"
This news article may help:
http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2003-March/018369.html
When there is no meteoritic evidence on record, I catalogue it as false. 
Best,
ken
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Re: [meteorite-list] usps insurance is fraud

[magellon]

Harlan,
I only had one claim for $45.00, 
and was promptly paid by the post office.
Had it been more money I may not have gotten it so quickly!?
Best,
Ken

harlan trammell wrote:
> 
> we all buy insurance to ship our skyrox. but it is really for
> peace-of-mind only- a big waste of money. when the _ _it hits the fan,
> you are as lost as somone in a molasses canoe or an astronaut in
> space  with no fuel left and no air. anybody ever ACTUALLY collect
> insurance money from the post office on a loss from the usps...? i
> didn't think so. usps insurance is aCOMPLETE WASTE of  MONEY- just
> read the form to file a claim. you have to have the item , the
> receipt, etc.. oh, the item! that means , you have to send it BACK to
> the sender and they then say it was damaged THEN not during the
> shipping when you RECEIVED it - therefore, it can NEVER be tendered
> properly for  a claim - a self-perpetuating KOP-OUT to avoid paying a
> claim- get it?! suppose you DO get it all together and go waltzing
> into a p.o.- they just laugh!! after that, it goes before a review
> board to determine if it was PACKED right before a claim is paid.
> 99.99% you did not pack it right (and there are no written, standards
> for packing or a way to verify that was indeed packed right before
> sending anyway)and they say forget it. and if you are one of the lotto
> winners who does get a claim, they give you depreciated value less
> fees from stupid government assessed value chart. in other words , you
> have no recourse whatsoever . so don't waste your money. use fed ex.
> the private sector is ALWAYS better than ANYTHING government.
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Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Sellers list, eBay name change

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Mark,
I too have been getting a tremendous amount of spam since June.
How about others?
Best,
Ken

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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite or meteorwrong??

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Mark,
It is a Type 3 auction.(see link)
Best,
ken
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Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Sellers list, eBay name change

[magellon]

All,
Thanks to those who replied to me off line.
The problem is greater than I expected and goes beyond the List and
ebay.
I checked with some AOL users who do 
not even subscribe to any type of list or ebay and they
have had increasing spam coming directly to their email address starting
about 45 days ago...
Sorry for being OT. 
Best,
Ken


> magellon wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> I too have been getting a tremendous amount of spam since June.
> How about others?
> Best,
> Ken
> 
> http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/magellon/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Apparent Meteorite Lands In Washington?

[magellon]

Hi,
How fortunate that these bored high schoolers not only saw the
flaming meteor but correctly calculated its' trajectory and impact site,
called police, and in the dark, still arrived in enough time to burn
their hands!
How efficient are todays' youth!
(I wonder if they are this competent in cleaning their rooms?)
And how thoughtful of the meteor to fall near their high school!
I especially liked, "only to discover several tiny craters filled with
the still-hot rocks." 
However, after seeing the photo, I'm sure that these are genuine Canard
fragments.
Best,
Ken Newton
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"Matson, Robert" wrote:
> 
> > http://www.komotv.com/stories/26061.htm
> 
> > Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High School Lot
> 
> The pebbles in the picture do not, by themselves, look very
> promising to my eye.  --Rob
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[meteorite-list] [Fwd: Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High School Lot]

[magellon]

The following is from a reply from Scott Sistek
KOMO Weather Producer in Washington--- Begin Message ---
Hi Ken,

I'll have them check it out, but we had two independent witnesses who
e-mailed us saying they saw a firery streak across the sky as well at the
right time -- one in Tenino and one in Monroe. Three other experts are on
the scene today with our reporter and they seem to agree it was a meteorite
too, so all signs point to it being legit :)

Sincerely,
Scott Sistek
KOMO Weather Producer

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Gentlemen:
  I enjoyed your article about the teens finding a meteorite.
After seeing the picture and reading the entire story, I fear you 
and the Daily World to be victims of a hoax
  I will not go into detail at this time, but the story is not
consistent with meteorite falls. Pict is not of fresh meteorites.
Best,
Ken Newton
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Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High School Lot]

[magellon]

> Hoax?  I think it is more of a case of the fireball falling
> several 10's or 100's of miles away, and they mistakenly assumed
> rocks they found nearby were meteorites from that fireball.
> This is a very common occurance when fireballs are sighted.
 
This is true.
Perhaps one young man also 'mistakenly assumed' he burned his hands on
the tiny rocks?
(Sorry, but I remember the hoaxes I pulled as a teenager :>) 
Best,
Ken Newton

Ron Baalke wrote:
> 
> >
> > Gentlemen:
> >   I enjoyed your article about the teens finding a meteorite.
> > After seeing the picture and reading the entire story, I fear you
> > and the Daily World to be victims of a hoax
> >   I will not go into detail at this time, but the story is not
> > consistent with meteorite falls. Pict is not of fresh meteorites.
> 

> Ron Baalke
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Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Link

[magellon]

Thanks Matteo,
My faith in human nature is somewhat restored.
The author of this Elma 'wrong' page learned a great deal about
meteorite identification from the Hupes.
I am glad to know that Elmaites CAN be educated!
I was beginning to think the whole town was 'meteorite challenged'. 
The Elma sellers on ebay have displayed no reasoning ability
what-so-ever.
Best, 
ken newton
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M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote:
> 
> Hello all
> 
> look here
> 
> http://www.bradyhart.com/elmameteorishthings.html
> 
> regards
> 
> Matteo
> 
> =
> M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato
> Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: 
> http://www.mcomemeteorite.info
> International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140
> MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/
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[meteorite-list] Crow Eaters

[magellon]

You know who,
Here is your chance to make Mr. Ray smile by bidding on his meteorites:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2184536970
This is the only time the LIST has been wrong about a meteorite that I'm
aware.
If I remember correctly the specimens had some interesting features
(NEMS):
http://www.meteorlab.com/File2003-34/file2003-34.htm
Best,
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[meteorite-list] Crow Eaters - Last Meal

[magellon]

All,
I noticed Mr. Ray's auctioned ended with the reserve not met.
And he has removed the reserved for a final 5th auction.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2185527219

The high bid is currently $1.25 
Best,
ken newton


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Re: [meteorite-list] Thailand Mekong River Meteorites (?)

[magellon]

Last year, 'silkarrow' aka 'asianartifacts888'
  discovered when selling 'Nepal Adzes' by simply adding 'meteorite' to
the description, his final auction price doubled or tripled.
This year he is repeating his success with his 'Mekong River Meteorite'.
(Hum, a meteorite in a river for years and it shows no hint of rust?
Neat Trick!) The seller does not know meteorites. He has not returned my
emails when I have asked him for the results of further test he promised
to try on the Adzes. 
Buyer Beware!
Ken Newton
# 9632
 

Mike Groetz wrote:
> 
> Hello-
>Happy rainy, muggy Sunday afternoon from here in
> Ohio. I think the grass has been greener here than I
> have ever seen in August.
>Could anyone please tell me a little of the
> Thailand Mekong River meteorites showing up on Ebay?
> Has anyone purchased one, had one authenticated or
> know anything about them?
>They are tempting- but after being tumbled in a
> river for years I have to wonder what they really are.
>Thank You. Have a nice afternoon.
> Mike Groetz
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Re: [meteorite-list] Great Ball Of Fire Lights Up New Zealand Sky

[magellon]

> No one had been killed by a meteor but in 1911 one was blamed for
> causing the death of a dog, he said.

Uh oh.  (that dog will never die!:>)
kn




Ron Baalke wrote:
> 
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2600500a11,00.html
> 
> Great ball of fire lights up Aucklanders' lives
> www.stuff.co.nz
> 06 August 2003
> 
> A spectacular fireball blazed across the northern sky yesterday, a piece
> of the more than 30,000 tonnes of the normally invisible space junk that
> hits Earth each year.
> 
> Observers in Auckland and from as far away as Whangarei described a
> flaming, bright-red fireball with a long white tail shooting across the
> sky from the northeast just before 6pm.
> 
> One man in Auckland suburb Orakei, who reported the sight to One Tree
> Hill Stardome Observatory, said the meteor appeared to remain bright as
> it disappeared over the horizon.
> 
> Another man, who was driving towards the Auckland Harbour Bridge, said
> it was "amazing". "I saw the white light first and then it flared into a
> green flash. I've never seen a green like it before."
> 
> Stardome spokeswoman Angela Doherty said the fireball, described as
> having a "lingering white tail", was a piece of either human
> space junk or space rock "that wandered just a bit too close to Earth".
> 
> Wellington's Carter Observatory spokesman John Field said it would be
> difficult to gauge the size of the meteor but said it could have been as
> big as a fist or the size of a person's head.
> 
> No one had been killed by a meteor but in 1911 one was blamed for
> causing the death of a dog, he said.
> 
> Most space debris simply fell harmlessly and invisibly to the ground,
> heating up and burning as it entered the atmosphere before dropping to
> earth.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Did meteorite slam Oakland? Field Report

[magellon]

Maria,
Thanks so much for the follow-up.
The Press is quick to publish anyone's 'meteorite' story,
but rarely follows up when it is often discovered to be a wrong.
(No reflection on Ron Baalke, who does an excellent job on keeping us
informed)
I hope the trip wasn't too exhausting :>) 
Best,
ken newton


maria nelson wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Armed with my digital camera, four of my five meteorites, and chips of a
> rare-earth magnet, I went out to Davisburg today to scope out the "impact
> crater". While I wasn't quite sure what I'd do when I got there (I'm really
> new at this), it became instantly clear when I approached the TV news van
> parked in the lot.
> 
> During the interview (on camera) I was informed that the crater was created
> by the exhaust pipe of a fire truck. It was pretty comical but the reporter
> did let me show all of the meteorites I brought (some had Mike Farmer's card
> still in the bag). Even though they didn't air that part, they did air a
> cool part of the interview. I was asked if the lengthy drive was worth it
> and I responded: "Yes, it was worth it. If this had been a meteorite we'd be
> holding space rocks right now!"
> 
> Anyway, my first field expedition and report is now complete and I used up
> about 15 seconds of my remaining 8 minutes of fame on a very worthy cause.
> 
> Space Rocks Rule,
> Maria ;)
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Maria Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:19 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Did meteorite slam Oakland?
> 
> > URL: http://www.detnews.com/2003/metro/0308/12/c01-242704.htm
> >
> > Did meteorite slam Oakland?
> >
> > By Tom Greenwood / The Detroit News
> >
> > DAVISBURG -- Live long and prosper -- and duck!
> >
> > The Road Commission for Oakland County may have had a close encounter of
> the
> > shooting-star kind when what appears to be a meteorite hit one of its
> > maintenance facilities over the weekend.
> >
> > "It happened sometime on Sunday when the yard was locked up and no one was
> > working," road commission spokesman Craig Bryson said. "Two workers came
> in
> > Monday morning and found an impact crater outside the main garage near the
> > employee parking lot. When they told me about it, I thought they were
> > kidding. What's next? We've hired Bigfoot as a snowplow driver?"
> >
> > Bryson said the object left a 12-inch-by-18-inch-by-3-inch crater in the
> > lot, which may not seem impressive until one learns that the crater is in
> 6
> > inches of asphalt.
> >
> > "The edges of the crater are seared black, and there's a fan-shaped debris
> > field spread out all around the site," Bryson said. "One of our employees
> is
> > an amateur astronomer, and he said it looks like every impact crater he's
> > ever seen."
> >
> > There is a good chance it was a meteorite, said David Batch, director of
> the
> > Abrams Planetarium at Michigan State University.
> >
> > "It's possible, although the description of the crater having charred
> edges
> > bothers me a bit," Batch said. "It could have been debris falling from a
> > plane, although there's been no reports of anything like that. Fireworks
> are
> > a possibility, but it would have to be a very strong explosion to have
> made
> > that big a hole in asphalt. The best thing to do is to have the site
> > examined and have the debris analyzed."
> >
> > Meteorites usually fall into one of three compositional categories:
> > nickel/iron, stone and stone mixed with iron, Batch said. They enter the
> > upper atmosphere at 40 miles per second but are greatly slowed by
> friction.
> >
> > "If this was a meteorite, it was probably about the size of a fist or
> > larger," Batch said.
> >
> > Workers have marked off the crater with orange cones.
> >
> > "We're going to have our amateur astronomer contact some scientists and
> have
> > them take a look," Bryson said. "But what the heck? What else could it
> be?"
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: New Blood: Not Just the Job of Dealers

[magellon]

Steve,
Well done!
Reasonable request!
If I had some small pieces they would be yours.
Best,
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[meteorite-list] Quality Scam! Beware! [Fwd: eBay Security Check]

[magellon]

All,
Sorry for this being OT, but I just got this scam in the mail.
The quality is EXCELLENT.
It is so good, I had to check the header - Bucharest, Romania 
Newbies take note!
Best,
ken newton 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Quality Scam! Beware! [Fwd: eBay Security Check]

[magellon]

Mark,
Thanks for the correction.
I just sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Also, the email contained no virus,
but it does send your ebay name & password to Romania if you
fill in the blanks...
That is bad enough :>)
ken newton

Mark Miconi wrote:
> 
> Ken,
> The actual email to forward this to is [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
> 
> Ebay will send it through if you used [EMAIL PROTECTED] but the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is
> for when another ebay user spams you about their auctions through ebays mail
> system.
> 
> Thanks for the heads up.
> 
> Mark M.
> ----- Original Message -
> From: magellon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:45 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Quality Scam! Beware! [Fwd: eBay Security Check]
> 
> > All,
> > Sorry for this being OT, but I just got this scam in the mail.
> > The quality is EXCELLENT.
> > It is so good, I had to check the header - Bucharest, Romania
> > Newbies take note!
> > Best,
> > ken newton
> >
> > (PS - Yes, I did forward this [EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Re: [meteorite-list] AW: Meteorite Found In Israel

[magellon]

Norbert,
I don't recognize that asteroid either. Perhaps it is a typo.
I do recognize Gabriel Shaked. He had that really neat astronomical
online encyclopedia. He shut it down about a year ago due to copyright
conflicts with David Weir.
Best,
ken newton


Norbert Classen wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> There's another paragraph in this article that kindled my
> interest. Quote:
> 
> "A member of the vehicle's team, Gabriel Shaked, who was
>  one of the people who discovered the stone, said yesterday
>  that the test showed that it was a fragment of Asteroid
>  HAVH-6, a rocky heavenly object that departed from its orbit
>  between the sun and Jupiter, and broke up. The original
>  asteroid approaches the earth once every three years."
> 
> Has anyone ever heard of this particular asteroid HAVH-6,
> and it's connection to any known class of meteorites? Did
> I miss something? Any input on this alledged PB would be
> highly appreciated.
> 
> All the best,
> Norbert
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Re: [meteorite-list] Odessa Crater

[magellon]

Teresa,
Bob Rice is the curator. His number is 915-381-0946.
If you can't reach him, let me know.
Ken Newton
IMCA #9632

Teresa Moss wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a contact at the Odessa Meteor Crater Visitor
> Center.  I have made multiple attempts to contact the visitors
> center, but have had no luck whatsoever.  This telephone number is
> the only contact information I have:  432-381-0946.  I would
> appreciate any help you can offer.
> 
> Teresa Moss
> Oscar E. Monnig Meteorite Gallery
> --
> Teresa Moss
> Director, Monnig Meteorite Gallery
> Texas Christian University
> Box 298830
> Fort Worth, Texas  76129
> Phone:  817-257-MARS (6277)
> FAX:  817-257-7789
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter

[magellon]

John,
I have several emails from various peoples in Africa and elsewhere
wanting
my US bank account number.
For this they generously promise millions of dollars.
But, I can't take unfair advantage of these good people.
Perhaps we could forward their emails to Mrs. Cheung.
 She could trade her meteorite from Jupiter for millions in her bank
account! And everyone gets what they deserve.;>}
Best,
Ken


John Gwilliam wrote:
> 
> Hello List,
> In this morning's mail, I received an unusual letter from a Mrs. Cheung in
> Alamo, California.  The letter says they are contacting me (the recipient
> of the letter) for a friend who wants some help selling some meteorites in
> her possession.  It goes on to say that some of the stones have already
> been identified as meteorites by the Bishop Museum in Honolulu.
> 
> They list five different samples that have been identified by the museum
> and they list densities for the specimens but no weights.
> 
> Here is the interesting information in the letter.
> 
> " In addition to the samples she has given us some photographs of the
> meteorites.  During a conversation with her, one of the meteorites was
> identified as coming from the planet Jupiter."
> 
> Imagine that, a meteorite from Jupiter!
> 
> If anyone wants to pursue this, let me know and I'll give you the contact
> information;-)
> 
> Best,
> 
> John Gwilliam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters

[magellon]

David,
Here is the picture:
http://magellon.tripod.com/toons/visitingfriendskb.jpg
However, it is not of meteorite hunters.
(Although that has been the popular caption)
It is just how the locals travel.
Best,
ken
IMCA #9632


> David Gregory wrote:
> 
> Dear List
> 
>  Can anyone help me find the picture of the greatly overloaded
> truck with the Moroccan meteorite hunters covering every square foot
> of it. I'm giving a talk on meteorites and it represents the
> enthusiasm and desire of the locals to get on board and look for those
> black rocks that us westerner want. Many thanks for your
> consideration. Best regards David Gregory


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Re: [meteorite-list] Deans BL:Mike Farmers Links:Steve Arnolds Mayan piece

[magellon]

> About Deans BL 'rites.Anyone got a picture or
> two,would love to get a look?I missed this one.Have a
> vague memory of them being on ebay but must have been
> a bad time financially for me or I didn't appreciate
> their intrinsic beauty.Thanks

Since were are sharing NWA photos...
Here is BL #10 (180 grams)
http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/BL/bl10a.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/BL/BL10f.jpg

Best,
Ken
http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs1.html

P.S.  Nice to meet you Jim, hope to hear more from you. 


jim wrote:
> 
> Hello list
>   I'd like to start by introducing myself
> formally as I don't believe I did.My name is Jim Brady
> and I live in Belfast,Ireland(technically Northern
> Ireland but let's not get political) and I've been
> interested in astronomy for many many years since I
> was a young lad.About 3 or 4 years ago I got a
> computer and discovered the wonderful world of
> meteorites.The first picture that really blew me away
> was a 350 gram or so polished slice of Glorietta
> Mountain on Mike Farmers old site.I was amazed and
> totally hooked.Bought my first few pieces from
> Mike(including an exquisite slice of Esquell) and then
> discovered other dealers also and picked up lots of
> goodies(small slice of Cumberland Falls from Rob
> Elliot is another favourite).Mike, I'd like to be able
> to click on your links and go straight to your
> auctions without messing about looking for them but
> your links never work.I've tried adding on the end bit
> of the link that doesn't come up with blue hypertext
> but this doesn't work either.Can you look into this
> please?Anyone else experiencing this or am I on my
> own?
> 
> About Deans BL 'rites.Anyone got a picture or
> two,would love to get a look?I missed this one.Have a
> vague memory of them being on ebay but must have been
> a bad time financially for me or I didn't appreciate
> their intrinsic beauty.Thanks
> 
> Steve Arnolds mayan ruins---h.It's almost 2:00pm
> here on tuesday afternoon and this piece of artifact
> has an hour and a half or so to go with no bids
> yet(thankfully say I).This just rubs me the wrong
> way,I was going to bite my tongue but the thought of
> some tourist coming over to my part of the world and
> taking any piece of ancient ruin to sell on ebay is
> more than slightly depressing.Steve,bring it back next
> time you visit :-)
> 
> I've been thinking of going to the Munich show in
> November as a little birthday treat to myself.Can
> anyone enlighten me about possible dealers who might
> be at the show,bargains to look out for there?
> 
> thank you
> respectfully yours
> Jim
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: rust, cleaning, and silicone

[magellon]

Mark,
Actually  you would want to do the reverse.
Pump the air OUT of the vessel.
This would cause the solution to permeate the meteorite immediately.
Best,
ken newton 

mark ford wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Just a thought really, six months is a long time!, I was wondering if
> there would (in theory), be a way of speeding up the process? What about
> warming up the solution or putting the whole thing into a pressure
> vessel and pumping it up?
> 
> could any of these idea's help the process to work quicker?
> 
> Mark Ford
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Schoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 28 September 2003 16:52
> To: Stephen McMann; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: rust, cleaning, and silicone
> 
> --- Stephen McMann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> -
> 
> Dear List,
> 
> A quick question regarding rust. I have been mulling
> over a simple strategy for the long term care of my
> SAs (and other meteorites).  Right now it seems that a
> good strategy is to give the SAs an alcohol and NaOH
> treatment to dispose of the Cl- from fingerprints
> etc., and otherwise keep them with VCIs and dessicant.
> 
> A possible complication is that several of my SAs were
> once wiped with a silicone gun cloth (by me). However,
> for the alcohol and NaOH treatment to be most
> effective I assume that the silicone coating should
> go.  What is a good method for removing such a
> coating? Will the alcohol and NaOH remove it?  If
> anyone has some thoughts about this, I would be
> interested in them. Hopefully I am asking for
> information that is not just waiting in the archives.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Stephen McMann
> --
> 
> NaOH with alcohol should remove it.
> 
> Mix alcohol 70% with 40% or more of distilled water to
> avoid a layer of brine.  If such a lay forms keep
> adding just enough water to eliminate that layer then
> the solution will be ready for soaking specimens.
> 
> Currently, I am soaking several meteorites.  A big 158
> lb Campo for Darryl Pitt, a small slice of Brenham, an
> end piece of Doronio, and a slice of Brahin for
> Matteo.
> 
> All of these had advanced rusting problems.  The large
> Campo has been soaking for 6 months in 25 quarts of
> solution, it should soon be ready for removal and
> drying in another month or so.   If the flaking has
> stopped the specimen will be cured.
> 
> The smaller pieces were treated with a coating, and
> the rust was quite bad.  In fact two of the samples
> had fallen appart, and part of my process is to put
> them back together. Once the rusting is cured, after
> soaking these pieces for a month, reconstruction can
> be done with some patience.   (Currently, at this
> point in my life I have lots of time).
> 
> I will post the results.
> 
> But again, yes, the NaOH will get through any coating
> that is on the specimen.  In fact it will even soften
> a thick epoxy coating softening it like rubber which
> peels off.
> 
> I have treated SA's before, and the fusion crust is
> not harmed other than the specific areas that are
> rusting with chlorides.  These spots turn into dark
> brown oxides.  But the oxide is very thin and
> superficial and with a tooth brush comes off to reveal
> the original surface underneath.
> 
> Steve Schoner
> http://www.geocities.com/american_meteorite_survey
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Junk in, Junk out, or "No-named OrphanStep Children need love too"

[magellon]

I agree!
ken newton

John Gwilliam wrote:
> 
> Nicely put Brother Freeman...you're a class act.
> 
> Best,
> 
> John Gwilliam
> 
> At 10:09 AM 10/4/03 -0600, David Freeman wrote:
> >Dear List, Bernd, Dean Bessy;
> >I feel the need to apologize for offering to another "collector" the
> >option of purchasing  marbles as an alternative to buying even lessor
> >lessor-priced meteorites.  I was wrong...at least in the eyes of one
> >(myself), well, maybe two.
> >I seemed to feel that another list  respondents use of the words "cheap"
> >and "junk" in referring to NWA's and his asking for what seemed to be an
> >offer to purchase/offer "nothing" for "something"  was a low blow to the
> >meteorite hunters and collectors of the world.  If NWA's are continually
> >looked upon by some as nothing less than clutter, why do so many in the
> >hot deserts even go out to search?  We have been blessed as collectors to
> >have been provided with this abundance to our hobby and business.This
> >attitude of "junk" and "cheap" is a blight to our love of ALL meteorites,
> >regardless of origin or pedigree status.  I see the term "inexpensively
> >priced", or even "affordable run of the mill meteorites"  as not nearly as
> >degrading.
> >Is it the meteorite's choice in falling to hot sands or on a southern
> >polar ice cap?  What meteorite would wish to impact a car, or even a house
> >so it could be cherished more? Bah! If any meteorite is not worth it's
> >value, then why ask for any value at all? I too love yard sales but would
> >not insult a proprietor by offering to take something of value for nothing.
> >
> >I have, once coined the phrase  "no-named orphan step child" in reference
> >to unclassified NWA's.  At one time, I even publicly endorsed a self ban
> >on purchasing any meteorite with out a real home until more field data
> >could have the opportunity to be collected.Even stray puppies need
> >love and sustenance.  The seemingly (and not true) perception of the
> >abundant /  infinite NWA's with (dirt) "cheap" and "junk" associations is
> >not reality, and that perception is, and continues to be, further pain in
> >many circles.  One day, in the future, those with a sence of humor will
> >muse at this time and hopefully have pause for a chuckle (if they had
> >purchased at fair value those no-named orphan step children, reasonable
> >and affordably priced stellar visitors of the hot sand deserts).  Indeed,
> >some NWA's come in a number of packages, some being under the value added
> >title of "Lunar" and "Martian" meteorites.
> >I would ask of those who would like to aquire  NWA's and other hot desert
> >meteorites with less than debutante status to refrain from asking
> >dealers  publicly to supply them with a source for "cheap" and "junk"
> >anything, especially meteorites, despite their status...or in this case,
> >lack of.
> >
> >Junk in, junk out
> >
> >I still do feel that those wanting to get "cheap" or "junk" anything
> >should alter their direction to collecting marbles as they have in my
> >opinion,  lost a few of their own somewhere along the way.
> >A buyers willingness to actively participate in an honest and fair value
> >market exchange directly reflects up on that persons integrity in any
> >proposed transaction.
> >Not only does the seller know the value of his wares but  the reverse is
> >true also, the buyer knows the value of what he wishes to purchase.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >Dave Freeman
> >
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Check this ebay add out!!!

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The guy's name is Robert Vocum.
He has not answered my email either.
He was to busy to talk when I called
No one has bid on his expensive glob of rust, oops, I mean
'atmoshphere entry burns and survival personality' meteorite. :>)
Why would this guy start a new corp.(Comstockmeteorites Inc) just to
sell 'wrongs' when he already had "PROSPECTOR AND TREASURE HUNTERS
HEADQUARTERS INC."?
Amazing!!!
Comstock.itinaholeandcoveritup,
ken
 


Robert Verish wrote:
> 
> To all that are concerned:
> 
> Forget the eBay auction!!
> 
> This seller "isellmeteorites" ("nohedoesn't") has had
> a web site for some time, now, under the name
> ComstockMeteorites.com (800)-474-7284
> 
> where numerous "desert-varnished" terrestrial rocks
> have been offered for sale as meteorites.
> 
> My suggestion is, should you have any questions about
> ComstockMeteorites business practices, feel free to
> contact them directly on their website or phone
> number.  But don't interfere with any seller's eBay
> auctions, and risk causing problems for the rest of
> us.
> 
> -
> [meteorite-list] Check this ebay add out!!!
> Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:52:11 -0700
> 
> Previous message: [meteorite-list] Garza Impact
> Display and Other Concerns
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> author ]
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> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2194471420
> 
> Thanks, Tom
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Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ebay Solution re: Policeman etc.

[magellon]

> The question is:
> how do you get a newbie to go to it? And would the pages translate from the
> meteorwrong page back to the Ebay page? It may be very confusing to the person
> just introduced to this science.

Here is another way:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2196304590
Best,
Ken Newton
IMCA #9632


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> Good evening list,
> 
> Been a while since I threw in my 2 grams worth on a subject. Tom, and others,
> you bring up a good points with regards to size of meteorites and cost
> relation, etc. It seems to me that meteorite auctions are a bit trickier to post
> than say, Wedgewood china, Waterford crystal, etc. Again you are still at the
> mercy of the seller, in that fake china pieces abound, but for the most part, the
> seller sometimes will have closeups of Mfgr / markings, artist signatures,
> etc. We in the meteorite community don't have that benefit.
> 
> I for one would like to see a dealer, if the desire moves them, to offer a
> modestly priced meteorite "Sampler Box" to newbies jsut looking into getting
> this hobby. I don't mean 10 or 25 samples, but maybe 3, i.e. an iron, an ordinary
> chondrite, and possibly  a piece of inexpensive pallasite. Along with the
> samples would obviously be information about meteorites, and meteorwrongs for
> that matter. Keeping the price low, and advertising it as "Starter" kit would
> allow persons who don't have any idea what to look for, or any knowledge about
> meteorites, a new beginning. I still have a few of Ninninger's starter kits and
> have been surprised (considering all of the Ebay consternation) no-one has
> tried to duplicate Ninninger's sample/ starter kit.
> 
> If the cost factor is a problem, just offer one sample. At least a newbie,
> unwisely putting a bid on an obvious piece of slag, (and possibly a large bid)
> won't get burned. If the newbie chooses to ignore an offering of an educational
> "Sampler Box" and opts for the "big one"...well that's their choice. As is
> said in the Indiana Jones movie: "He chose unwisely".
> 
> As it is now, some bidders don't know about IMCA, or possibly don't care. The
> "Meteorwrong" pages that some members offer are EXCELLENT. The question is:
> how do you get a newbie to go to it? And would the pages translate from the
> meteorwrong page back to the Ebay page? It may be very confusing to the person
> just introduced to this science.
> 
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[meteorite-list] The Meteorite that panicked a Nation

[magellon]

All,
Last evening  marked  the passing of an event that occurred
Sixty-five years ago. Even though many of us were not yet born,
we have all heard of about the panic associated with this event.

If you had turned your radio on just after 8' o'clock to your favorite
CBS station you would be entertained by Ramon Raquello and
his orchestra when the show was interrupted by a special report
from Intercontinental Radio News. The bulletin was to let people
know that scientists had noticed explosions on the surface
of Mars, and that something was flying towards the
earth at an incredible speed. After the announcement the music
began again. Then another news report came on. This time to
inform the audience that a  huge, flaming object, believed to
be a meteorite had fallen to earth at Grovers Mill, New Jersey.
At Grovers Mill it was realized that the object was not a meteorite.
Eventually, a huge creature with a drooling V-shaped mouth
emerged from the object,  zapped the people dead, and torched
the field with its heat-ray. And the horror continued
Listeners thought they were tuning in live reports from the scene
but were actually  hearing Orson Welles and the Mercury Theater
on the Air with their updated version of H.G. Wells' sci-fi novel
The War of the Worlds.

 The War of the Worlds broadcast terrified people from
coast to coast. Families fled their homes, covering their mouths
with handkerchiefs trying not to breathe the harmful black gas.
People packed into churches. Roads leading out of cities were
jammed with cars. People across the nation thought they were
going to die. It is estimated that over six million people listened
to that broadcast, and close to two million thought it was a
news bulletin.


For more info see:
movie "The Night that panicked America"
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/warworlds/warw.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Chicxulub Meteorite

[magellon]

Dave,
A better example is here: (more ridiculous excuses)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2200664192
I wrote Mr. Shomin and asked how he got the material.
he wrote: "I took a trip to cancun, then took a car trip to Chicxulub
-& used
a magnet for final separation fron beach sand, then did a nickel test
at home.
Magnification reveales more detail like shiny metal flakes & metal
balls
from heat - most samples have native soil stuck to it, my results are
open
to the jugdement of others with better  equipment. While i do
have a
2 week return policy if any customer would complain i would refund
at any time.
Fair? If you can get a hold of better equipment i would be willing
to send
you a free sample for evaluation. Bernie M-M"
I suggested (1) tell the truth to the bidders and (2)  send a sample
to NEMS
to first verify if was  meteoritic.
He added the addendum but didn't send any to NEMS.
(He indicated it was because he had less than a gram)
Sorry, he should have done this before putting any up for sale.
So there is no meteoritic verification, much less an actual Chicxulub
meteorite
as advertised.
Secondly, Steve Schoner found this article saying that drill samplings
show that
the meteorite was probably a  carbonaceous chondrite.
Even this small sample was fossilized. There is no proof  that
any original meteorite still exits other than the iridium layer.
 http://www.nature.com/nsu/981126/981126-1.html
Best,
ken newton
#9632
 
 
 
Dave Harris wrote:
Hi folks,
I would be grateful for a bit of input re this eBAy item below.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2200663512
What has impressed me is that there is no Frass rant, or BCC rant or
Mo
Yousef insistance.  This is a good start for a scientific discussion
as
already we haven't got our backs up over this!
thoughts please!!!
very best
dave
IMCA #0092
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Re: [meteorite-list] [meteorite-list]How to etch meteorites

[magellon]

Rene,
See:
http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/November/meteorites_101.htm
Best,
ken newton
#9632


Hello,
I just sliced some Campo del Cielo meteorite and I am trying to etch
it...what would you recommend as an etchant. Sorry for the
wrong spelling in my first post.
 
Thanks,
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[meteorite-list] Galaxie Meteorite - The beginning

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All,
Let's take a ride in the Way-Back Machine.
The day is 26th, month is September and the year is 2001.
Dealers receive the email below:

Subj: Meteorites'  "Man made!
 Date:  9/26/2001 4:59:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time
 From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank B. Amyx)
 To:

 "I myself has seen a few hit the ground and including one
travelled over 20 miles across the sky before me and a friend
would witness it exploding just 2 feet above the pavement
to the right of my car! (if i would of been traveling to fast It
would of went through my cars roof). Then a few days after'
during sunlight' (with a metal detector) I would find two of
the fragments to it & at the same time a trucker came bye
and put a gun out the window and shot the backend of my
car with a pistol).  "So I got the feeling it was some sort of
sign' (Especially after I would later discover how to make
my own meteorites)!  Now you can see what I'm talking
about for only $5.00 each at the size of 3-1/2 inches X 4"
X 1/2 inch deep.  "Interested?  (Even in man made Marsian
meteorites with fossilization of fossils included)!!  These
make great Meteorite Mocking Gifts, for of course'
"A much lower price!  For one dozen' Only $45.00 or for
two dozen Only $80.00.  "Make Great Paper Weights!
 (Add $3.00 more on all orders for Marsian Rocks).
 "Would you like me to send you a picture of one of my
rocks first?  < end of email>

Photo of Fossilized man-made meteorite
http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/Mvc-001xsm.jpg

Remenber?
Yes, Frank B. Amyx  (ebay name "golfyx") is back again!
with same stuff, new name.  (He makes Hinkle look like
an artist).
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Re: [meteorite-list] Chixculub material testing results

[magellon]

> So much for those $20.00 nickel tests sold on
> ebay that the finder used.

The finder is ALSO  the ebay SELLER of those nickel tests kits!
Thank you very much for this valuable info.
Best,
ken newton
# 9632

Adam Hupe wrote:

> Dear List Members,
>
> After a long afternoon and evening at the University of Washington the
> results are in.  It should come as no surprise that the Chixulub material
> turned out to be a terrestrial.  It was found to be Geothite and Hematite in
> combination with no nickel.  So much for those $20.00 nickel tests sold on
> ebay that the finder used.
>
> Some other material from Northwest Africa that was tested turned out to be
> very interesting so all was not a loss in the lab today.
>
> This, once again, proves the importance of insisting that suspected
> meteorites be tested before making a purchasing decision.  As long as people
> bid on meteorite wrongs they will continue to be listed.  In this case one
> specimen was put up for sale and sold so three more were listed soon
> afterwards and also sold.  It looks like four people are entitled to a
> refund, the best of luck.  Our advice is to stop bidding on untested
> material.
>
> Wishing everybody well,
>
> Adam and Greg Hupe
> IMCA 2185
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Re: [meteorite-list] Seven New Galaxy Class Meteorites on eBay

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Andre,
Several years ago Ebay suggested they may remove
all meteorite auctions. Whether they were serious
or not, no one wanted/wants that to happen.

So, I.M.C.A. was born.
While I.M.C.A. cannot prevent the sale of wrongs,
it does provides a safe haven for meteorite transactions.
(20-25% of the meteorite auctions are IMCA members')
Education and expert opinions are for the members' asking.

Why ebay is so slow to eliminate blatant dishonest sellers
(as Sterling documented) is strange. But ebay will never
prevent the auction of wrongs. Bidders can only be better
informed by education.

It is up to us to spread the knowledge. Sellers can encourage new purchasers to join
I.M.C.A.,  Members can share what they've
learned when the opportunity presents itself.

Recently Dave Freeman was on ktv2 Salt Lake City  for a
morning and evening meteorite spot and he displayed his
IMCA logo. ( Way to go  Dave!)

The problem is Mis-identification and some fraud,
the solution is education.
Each has to think that  "I am the solution, now
how can I help and have fun at the same time "
Who would like to see your meteorite collection?
Have you thought about sharing your knowledge with others?
Can you make a talk outline?
What grade or class would you like to share meteorite info?
What can I do?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2205773844

Best,
Ken Newton
IMCA# 9632

Deborah Martin wrote:

> I have a suggestion regarding the spate of meteowrongs on eBay.  I too
> encountered problems with eBay when a non-meteoritic transaction went
> awry.  I did get my money back but lost on the exchange rate and my time
> being wasted.  Throughout it all, eBay was useless, comparing itself to a
> newspaper where people publish classified ads.  Clearly, eBay's main
> concern is to deflect its responsibility unto someone else.
>
> So, how about if the knowledgeable members of this list contact USA Today
> and CNN and regale them with a list of these incidents including Sterling
> Webb's excellent statistical analysis reprinted below ?  Perhaps the
> negative publicity would shame eBay into doing the right and even listening
> to experts in various fields when a questionable object is put up for
> auction (I'm certain the concept of the weteowrong is present in many other
> types of products offered on eBay).  Also, someone from the American
> Justice Department might become aware of the situation and get the point
> across to eBay that even if you claim loud and often that you have no
> responsibility, that does not necessarily make it so.
>
> My 0.02 CAD
>
> Andre Bordeleau
>
> >Hi,
> >
> > The real topic here is feedback on eBay and its effect (or lack of it) on
> >bad sellers.
> > Negative feedback, even massive amounts of it, will not necessarily
> > stop a
> >seller of less than perfect honesty. Last spring, I made the mistake of
> >impulsively buying an item I stumbled on to just before auction close --
> >no time
> >to check feedback -- but the seller had a positive feedback rating in the
> >thousands; why worry?
> > Ah, well, he also had negative feedbacks by the thousands, too. He
> > had over
> >26% negative feedbacks (about 1600!), all with the same complaint as mine
> >turned
> >out to be: took the money, never mailed the item. I wrote him lots of
> >emails; I
> >filed complaints with eBay; I filed a complaint with the Better Business
> >Bureau
> >in his state. Nothing.
> > eBay was useless against this guy. I send them statistical summaries
> > of his
> >feedbacks, showing that this was a long-term pattern of behavior. I wanted
> >them
> >to get him off the site, shut him down, or at least suspend him for a while.
> >They were not interested in moving against anybody who was generating that
> >much
> >income in eBay fees, clearly.
> > About four months into trying to get my money back (or product
> > delivered), I
> >sent a fat email with documentation to the State's Attorney of his home state
> >with an inquiry as to whether this was their jurisdiction or should I send
> >this
> >to the U.S. Justice Department's Internet Fraud office. The next day, I got a
> >refund from the guy. Took 127 days. This seller (name withheld to protect the
> >guilty) is still selling on eBay today. He has over 400 items up right now.
> > Now that eBay shows the percentage of positive feedbacks, you might think
> >someone like this would be in trouble with potential buyers. No, eBay
> >calculates
> >that percentage you see for each seller on the basis of ONLY the most recent
> >negative feedbacks against the total positives for the entire history of the
> >seller, yielding a meaninglessly high percentage. So, this seller shows a 96%+
> >rating right now, even though for the past 1 month, his positive percentage is
> >89%, for the last 6 months, 87%, and for the last 12 months, only 74%.
> > This means that the positive feedback percentage you see on eBay item
> >listings is, if not statistically fraudulen

Re: [meteorite-list] item SUPER SALE 4 X-Mas !!

[magellon]

Finkle's motto: "Authenticity? Of course it's real, I made it myself."
Other Finkle creations:
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2197446047
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2197444027
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2207773592

Please note that  Mr. Finkle has sold fake Park Forest and Odessa
shale as meteorites. (Don't forget the legendary
"Odessa Gold Meteorite" - now there is a story for the grand kids)
However, I must say one good thing. He does hold the record for
the most auctions closed by ebay.

Newbies take note!

kn

MARK BOSTICK wrote:

> Hello David, Timothy and list, Perhaps Timothy could update the list
> on his "Finkleite"?  :-0 Mark
>
>  - Original Message -
>  From: David Freeman
>  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:10 PM
>  To: Timothy Finkle
>  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] item SUPER SALE 4 X-Mas !!
>   Dear List;
>  Is this the same Finkle fella' that was selling very suspect
>  parts of
>  the Odessa crater?  Seems that was a big black eye I
>  thought.
>  Dave Freeman
>  IMCA3864
>
>  Timothy Finkle wrote:
>
>  > Hello List,
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  Were celebrating our 1 yr anniv here with a super, super
>  sale! (Don't
>  > miss this 1)
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > I listed items like a 171+ lbs Campo del Cielo, 71+
>  Odessa, 19 gram
>  > Gujba, 64.5 gram Glorieta Slice etch on both sides along
>  with many
>  > other hard to find irons. Over 10,000.00 worth of
>  meteorites, no problem!!
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Merry X-mas!! This is the big one =-)
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Cheers, Timothy Finkle
>  >
>  >
>  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2207762223&category=3239&rd=1
>
>  >
>  
> 
>
>  >
>  >
>  >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Pictures of new dry lake find

[magellon]

Incredible! They look so fresh!
Thanks much for sharing!
ken newton
#9632


Adam Hupe wrote:

> Dear List Members,
>
> Our team is still excited about the recovery of the three meteorites.  We
> wish we could share the exact location but we need to do a little more
> research and exploration of the area.  For those who work these dry lake
> beds on a regular basis we will provide the exact coordinates later.  There
> is absolutely no mention or documentation suggesting a find has ever been
> made in this location.  We will check again later in the week with a third
> group to make sure there is not an unpublished find from this locality but
> two institutions checked for us last week and found no references.  There is
> not a single reference on line that this locality has been searched for
> meteorites that we can find.  Despite an honest search no Hoola Hoops were
> found.
>
> Here is a link to the first meteorite found by Adam Hupe:
> http://www.lunarrock.com/NewFind/Adam1.jpg
>
> Here is a link to the second meteorite found by Steve Drummond:
> http://www.lunarrock.com/NewFind/Steve1.jpg
>
> Here is a link to the third meteorite found by Greg Hupe:
> http://www.lunarrock.com/NewFind/Greg1.jpg
>
> And finally a link to our team mascot found by one of the two female team
> members Zann at Ivanpah Dry Lake:
> http://www.lunarrock.com/NewFind/IvanpahMascot.jpg
>
> I hope you find these entertaining.
>
> All the best,
>
> Adam and Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> IMCA 2185
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Re: [meteorite-list] First negative feedbacks to the Galaxy dealer

[magellon]

Bill,
I think you have it backwards.
You defend someone who sells fake meteorites in the
Meteorite Section of ebay. Then you attempt to label
anyone who tries to educate or help others.
Even going to the point of belittling the Hupes' meteorite accounts.
It appears form my perspective that the " just plain hateful"
one is sitting at your computer terminal.
I truly hope I am wrong.
ken newton
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think it's sickening that people buy from this
person just to complain. Any
damn fool can see from his adds that this stuff isn't meteoric. Seems
like
there's more Matteo types out there than I ever suspected. Just plain
hateful.
Bill Kieskowski
> Well well.but probably it has not learned the
> lesson inasmuch as it continues to put in sale
> this fakes
>
> http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=golfyx&includ
> e=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50
>
> http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=golfyx
>
> regards
>
> Matteo
>
>
> =
> M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato
> Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com
Collection Site:
> http://www.mcomemeteorite.info
> International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140
> MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/
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[meteorite-list] VOTE IMCA an observation EGO????

[magellon]

>I don't have any answers here, but just a question, based on
>an observation WHY IS IT THAT METEORITE COLLECTORS
>CAN NEVER GET ONE OF THESE ASSOCIATIONS GOING
  I don't have the answer either. I just
know that original IMCA was based on
no one person having the upper hand. All were to be equals. When we
began voting, I felt that the majority's will would be known and accordingly
the direction the association should move. First a discussion, then a vote,
is the only way I know to obtain a consensus.
 Rhett, however was deeply hurt by the way
things were regressing. The name was already established. Web Domain was
set up.  List of members were made up and posted. Yahoo Groups was
set up. Paypal account eastablished  All of this was now to be changed! 
Can you understand his frustration? To some it may not seem like "that
much"  but  where is the end ? Perhaps in the beginning 
there should have been more discussion and then a vote. But there wasn't
because there were no members at the time.
 Efforts to persuade him to return have also
failed.  I hope he returns to the fine job he started. Not to change
what has been done but to progress forward
Ken Newton
 

Re: [meteorite-list] IP numbers and Nininger

[magellon]

Rhett Bourland wrote:
 
Hi everyone!  I finally have everyone's number ready
for them.  Below is a list with everyone's number, name, and email
address.  All numbers are based on the IP address of your computer
at the time I got an email first expressing interest in joining.
Let me know if I spelled your name wrong or anything
like that and if I did I apologize.  This list will also be available
on http://meteoritecollectors.org/numbers.htm
immediately.  There's hardly anything on the site right now but a
basic version will be up and running by this weekend but not now because
I'm tired of doing computer work (this took a few hours).  Also, as
soon as a logo is decided upon and I get the time I'll email everyone their
logo with their new number on it.
Best wishes,
Rhett Bourland
www.asteroidmodels.com
www.asteroidmodels.com/personal2140Matteo
Chinellato[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2352Steve
Arnold[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2354Eric
Olsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2356Anne
Black[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2357Craig
McDonald[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2359Bill
Jensen[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2399Matt
Morgan[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2601Fred
Olsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2673Christian
Anger[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2878Dean
Bessey[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3028Jason
Phillips[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3086Jim
Tobin[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3166Mark
Bostick[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3271Rhett
Bourland[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3420Norbet
F. Kammel[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3859Philippe
Thomas[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3864Dave
Freeman[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3869Michel
Franco[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4014Martin
Horejsi[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4090Nick
Gessler[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4126Robert
Beauford[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4192New
England Meteoritical Servcies[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4262Jake
Delgaudio[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4264Mike
Jensen[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4267Hanno
Strufe[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4470Steve
Schoner[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4577Michael
Masse[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4587Joseph
Murakami[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4596Michael
Blood[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4760John
Gwilliam[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4806David
Hardy[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5098Jim
Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5524Mark
Miconi[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5589Brice
Hornback[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5956Tracy
Latimer[EMAIL PROTECTED] 6104Al
Mitterling[EMAIL PROTECTED] 6429Steve
Smith[EMAIL PROTECTED] 6461Michael
Cottingham[EMAIL PROTECTED] 7606Norbert
Classen[EMAIL PROTECTED] 7842Bernd
Pauli[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9001Jim
Strope[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9020Steve
Witt[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9092Joel
Goleman[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9093Bob
Holmes[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9177Robert
Matson[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9275Rob
Wesel[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9466Elton
Jones[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9632Ken
Newton[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9653Roman
Jirasek[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9813Ron
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[meteorite-list] EBay:"one of the rarest meteorites to ever fall to earth"

[magellon]

Sometimes  I don't know which is worst: meteor-wrongs or over exaggerated
meteorites. Either way it is still a misrepresentation!
If nothing else this is good for a chuckle:(" yes you read it correct")
 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1055245988
Member #9632

Re: [meteorite-list] EBay:"one of the rarest meteorites to ever fall to earth"

[magellon]

Mark,
Good detective work. Yes, it is good to avoid ebay's eyes, where possible,
however, I see nothing harassing in asking legit questions about a
auction.
Nor do I wish to badger someone who is determined to sell corpolite
as "meteorites." But , yea, among this group one could probably find most
of the "buyers" of meteorites e-mails if not many sellers but that is considered
confidential info between buyer and seller. Would not be good PR to reveal
such.
Member# 9632
Ken Newton
Mark Miconi wrote:

Hey,I
happened to look at this NANTAN sellers other auctions and there appears
to be an email address in the ad due to his being a member of Square Trade. IT
shows: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now
IF that is his email address, ANYONE/everyone on the list could send him
an email WITHOUT using ebays service for contacting sellers. I
know that Ebay will terminate you IF you contact a seller and harass them,
HOWEVER Ebay only knows when that happens IF you click on the sellers name
and ask a question as they automatically make you sign on with your Ebay
User ID.Seems I have this
and other email addresses that Ebay knows nothing about.I wonder how
many list members also have other email addresses not associated with Ebay? Mark
M.

- Original Message -

From:
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 7:55
PM

Subject: [meteorite-list] EBay:"one
of the rarest meteorites to ever fall to earth"
 Sometimes  I don't know which is worst: meteor-wrongs or over
exaggerated meteorites. Either way it is still a misrepresentation!
If nothing else this is good for a chuckle:(" yes you read it correct")
 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1055245988
Member #9632

Re: [meteorite-list] Possible eBay Solution?

[magellon]

>E-mailing sellers of meteor-wrongs is a good idea - provided we are all
>polite and reasonable.  The seller may just be honestly mistaken
(I've met
>many folks like that).  If the seller responds with hostility,
well, we
>tried our best on that end.
Amen to "polite and reasonable"
>The other option is to contact the buyer and inform them that they've
>probably bought a meteor-wrong.  Encourage them to have the item
examined
>by an expert.  If it proves to be terrestrial, then encourage
them to
>demand a refund from the seller.
I not sure that contacting a buyer  DURING or AFTER an auction
is permitted..
See eBay rules:
"Buying Offenses
 If you've experienced any of these issues, please report offenses
to the Investigations link below. Disciplinary action may result in the
indefinite suspension of a user's account, temporary  suspension,
or a formal warning. eBay will consider the circumstances of an alleged
offense and  the user's trading records before taking action.
  Transaction interference - Emailing
buyers in an open or ended transaction to warn them away from a
seller or item."
EBay's wording includes "ended transactions "  I got around this
the other day when an eBayer was reselling a meteor-wrong. I asked him
if he could verifiy that it was
genuine and that it looked like many of the meteor-wrongs recently
sold on eBay. He came to the conclusion himself of returning the meteor-wrong
to the original seller for a refund. However, if a buyer does not try to
resell it, then contacting them is against eBay policy.
#9632
Ken Newton

[meteorite-list] Ebay : Meteorite?

[magellon]

I don't know what to make of this . 2nd pic looks like some
nickel ore I have. Need your scholarly opinions
 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1053927167
Ken Newton
#9632

Re: [meteorite-list] Heirloom Dropped From Sky (PalmersvilleMeteorite)

[magellon]

Martin Horejsi wrote:

> On 12/29/01 11:47 PM, "Ron Baalke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Worldwide, about 2,000 new meteorites are found each year and are often
> > utilized the way the Fagans used the Palmersville meteorite, said
> > Christopher Goodmaster, a student at Middle Tennessee State University who
> > collects meteorites and who helped Berryman through the process of
> > certification.
>
> Way to go Chris! Good work.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Martin
>

Subject:
Re: Palmersville Meteorite
Date:
Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:43:31 -0600 (CST)
   From:
christopher goodmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To:
Ken Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I purchased a Camel Donga from you back in Sept. I am very happy
> with it.  I saw your name again in the Tenn article about how you helped
> Mr. Berryman get his meteorite classified.  Just  wanted to congratulate
> you on a job well done!  What was the classification.  I hope Mr.
> Berryman will reward your help with a small chunk!!!

Thanks for the note, Ken.  Glad you like the little Camel Donga. I hated
to part with it, but I had to sell a few specimens from my collection
earlier in the semester to help pay for school.

Interestingly enough, Dr. Berryman is an adjunct professor here at MTSU.
I actually took a class from him last semester.  At the time, I had no
idea he had an unclassified meteorite and he had no idea that I was
interested in meteorites.  He was actually referred to me by my advisor
when, during a casual conversation, he mentioned to her that he had
something that might be a meteorite.

I gave him a crash course on meteoritics, we cut the specimen, and I sent
off a chunk to UCLA to have it classified.  Alan Rubin analyzed it and
gave it a classification of H5.  And yes, Dr. Berryman gave me a small
piece to put in my collection =)

Again, thanks for the note, hopefully you will see the Palmersville
meteorite again in the next edition of the Meteoritical Bulletin.

Best Regards,

-chris.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Floating Fireball Over Texas Caught On Video

[magellon]

Ron & All,
 In my college years, we would glue wooden popsicle sticks to make a
cross. On this, one could secure 8-10 birthday candles with drops of melted
wax. Tying the four ends of the cross with thread to four corners of a
large dry cleaning bag. Then sealing the top hole (of the bag) and lighting
the candles, the bag would fill with hot air and lift into the sky. (You
had to pick a windless day or risk candle blow out)  Sometimes the bag
itself would catch on fire. (FIRE DANGER - DO NOT TRY THIS YOURSELF)
 I think some unqualified Texas personnel are trying to resurrect my
lighter-than-air "experiments"...
Ken Newton

Ron Baalke wrote:

> http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/010702_news_ufo.html
>
> UFO sighting?
> Mystery object caught on tape
>
> A Pearland resident with a video camera caught the
> mysterious object on tape.
>
> By Don Nelson
> ABC 13 Eyewitness News (Houston, Texas)
>
> (1/7/02) - Some Pearland residents are still
> scratching their heads after spotting a strange
> object in the sky on Sunday. But was it a UFO?
>
> There is a mystery unfolding in Pearland. But it may
> be a while before this one involving a "fire in the
> sky" is solved.
>
> Rocky Flint captured images Sunday afternoon with
> his video recorder in Pearland. It appears to be a
> burning object in the sky. His wife, Cynthia, says
> it was hard to miss.
>
> Cynthia Flint/Pearland Resident: "It resembled a floating fireball."
>
> The fiery ball appears to remain stationary for several minutes before
> moving downward and then disappearing. Flint says she had no idea what
> she was witnessing.
>
> Cynthia Flint/Pearland Resident: "There's nothing to describe what it
> was. It's so unique and so different. I've never in my whole life seen
> anything like it."
>
> Eyewitness News made calls to both airports and neither one could shed
> any light on the mystery. The Brazoria county sheriff's department also
> received some calls, but they couldn't find anything. Flint's husband
> has his own theory.
>
> Cynthia Flint/Pearland Resident: "He couldn't believe what he was
> seeing. He said that it looked like a UFO."
>
> We made another call to NORAD, the North American Aerospace Defense
> Command. They also failed to provide answers.
>
> Rocky Flint/On amateur video: "It's still here, baby. And they see us."
>
> Before Sunday, Mrs. Flint didn't believe in UFO's.
>
> Cynthia Flint/Pearland Resident: "I'm not a big believer of them. But I
> can't describe what I saw up there, either."
>
> Several other phone calls from viewers who also saw some type of "fire
> in the sky" came into the newsroom on Sunday. But right now, we still
> aren't exactly sure what it was. Stay tuned...
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrongs

[magellon]

Excellent example Dean!
Bravo to the Smithsonian.
Their patience is only matched by their sense of humor.
Ken Newton
Dean Langadas wrote:

Hi all: Since
a few folks on the board have opted to slam an individual for his ongoing
postings of meteorwrongs, I thought I'd post one of my old favorites, how
to let a guy down easy.  This is a real letter to a real guy, and
it fits the occasion.  Good for a laugh, and some of you guys need
to take the hint.  
There is a gentleman in Newport, VT named Scott Williams
who digs things out of his back yard and sends them to the Smithsonian
Institute, labeling them with scientific names, and insisting that they
are actual archaeological finds. Here is an actual response from the Smithsonian
Institution.
___
 
Smithsonian Institute
207 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC 20078
Dear Mr. Williams:
Thank you for your latest submission to the Institute,
labeled "93211-D, layer seven, next to the clothesline post ... Hominid
skull."  We have given this specimen a careful and detailed examination,
and regret to inform you that we disagree with your theory that it represents
conclusive proof of the presence of Early Man in Charleston County two
million years ago.
Rather, it appears that what you have found is the head
of a Barbie doll, of the variety that one of our staff, who has small children,
believes to be "Malibu Barbie."  It is evident that you have given
a great deal of thought to the analysis of this specimen, and you may be
quite certain that those of us who are familiar with your prior work in
the field were loathe to come to contradiction with your findings.  
However, we do feel that there are a number of physical attributes of the
specimen which might have tipped you off to its modern origin:
1. The material is molded plastic. Ancient hominid remains
are typically fossilized bone.
2. The cranial capacity of the specimen is approximately
9 cubic centimeters, well below the threshold of even the earliest identified
proto-homonids.
3. The dentition pattern evident on the skull is more
consistent with the common domesticated dog than it is with the ravenous
man-eating Pliocene clams you speculate roamed the wetlands during that
time.
This latter finding is certainly one of the most intriguing
hypotheses you have submitted in your history with this institution, but
the evidence seems to weigh rather heavily against it.  Without going
into too much detail, let us say that:
A. The specimen looks like the head of a Barbie doll that
a dog has chewed on.
B. Clams don't have teeth.
It is with feelings tinged with melancholy that we must
deny your request to have the specimen carbon-dated.  This is partially
due to the heavy load our lab must bear in its normal operation, and partly
due to carbon-dating's notorious inaccuracy in fossils of recent geologic
record.  To the best of our knowledge, no Barbie dolls were produced
prior to 1956 AD, and carbon-dating is likely to produce wildly inaccurate
results.
Sadly, we must also deny your request that we approach
the National Science Foundation Phylogeny Department with the concept of
assigning your specimen the scientific name Australopithecus spiff-arino. 
Speaking personally, I, for one, fought tenaciously for the acceptance
of your proposed taxonomy, but was ultimately voted down because the species
name you selected was hyphenated, and didn't really sound like it might
be Latin.
However, we gladly accept your generous donation of this
fascinating specimen to the museum.  While it is undoubtedly not a
Hominid fossil, it is, nonetheless, yet another riveting example of the
great body of work you seem to accumulate here so effortlessly. You should
know that our Director has reserved a special shelf in his own office for
the display of the specimens you have previously submitted to the Institution,
and the entire staff speculates daily on what you will happen upon next
in your digs at the site you have discovered in your Newport back yard.
We eagerly anticipate your trip to our nation's capital
that you proposed in your last letter, and several of us are pressing the
Director to pay for it.  We are particularly interested in hearing
you expand on your theories surrounding the trans-positating fillifitation
of ferrous ions in a structural matrix that makes the excellent juvenile
Tyrannosaurus Rex femur you recently discovered take on the deceptive appearance
of a rusty 9-mm Sears Craftsman automotive crescent wrench.
Yours in Science,
Harvey Rowe
Chief Curator- Antiquities

Re: [meteorite-list] dare you say this is not LUNAR

[magellon]

Mohamed H Yousef,
    I think
it is just wonderful that you have found a way to realize your
dreams for even a very brief
moment. And how thoughtful of you to return and share this good news with
so many who ridiculed you after repeated attempts to make us "all believers". 
And now you have found no less than TWO lunar specimens at that!   

Please, Mohamed, share with us the name of the REAL expert? (Also, which
field did you find him in?)
   Actually,
I just wanted to thank you for the ride. Nobody has this many &
different  meteor wrongs that they say they found in a few
days. You've been leading the group "on" and it has been a "trip" Where
did you get the wrongs? Why have you never given any location other than
"the region"? (even a country would be nice) What is your real name? 
Where are you?  Was it really that funny?
 In case you are
not the resurrected Andy Koffman, here is a link that will help you get
your lunar specimen's classified (for free)
  University
of New Mexico
This (above)  is who you really need
to be sending your "meteorites."
I know we (the group) will miss your intellectual
arguments, but all good things must end. (sigh)
Amazed,
Ken Newton
 
 
DiamondMeteor wrote:

Please
look at the pictures of this nice brecciated lunar meteorite with fusion
crust that I found today:http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/ln1.htmAlso,
the pictures that I showed you a while ago, turned out to be lunar as well
(Mare Basalt), as one of the REAL experts in the field agreed. Testing
is undergoing now. You can compare the pictures below to Asuka-881757
and Dhofar587:http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/ln2.htm In
a way you helped me alot by refusing whatever I post; this gave me more
enthusiasm to look for undefeatable proofs. RegardsMohamed-

Re: [meteorite-list] dare you say this is not LUNAR

[magellon]

To the List:

David Freeman wrote:

> Dear Mohamed;
> Be honest, is your name Joel and are you a former list member?
> Or, please tell me your using an alias and that you are now a coin
> dealer who was a meteorite dealerI have now one leg longer than the
> other from having it pulled.   What a grand surprise before the Tucson
> show that we all be entertained in this manner, this will surely give us
> much to remineness about.
> Thank you,
> Dave F.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Mohamed H Yousef,
> > I think it is just wonderful that you have found a way to realize your
> > dreams for even a very brief moment. And how thoughtful of you to
> > return and share this good news with so many who ridiculed you after
> > repeated attempts to make us "all believers".  And now you have found
> > no less than TWO lunar specimens at that!
> >  Please, Mohamed, share with us the name of the REAL expert?
> > (Also, which field did you find him in?)
> >Actually, I just wanted to thank you for the ride. Nobody has
> > this many & different  meteor wrongs that they say they found in a few
> > days. You've been leading the group "on" and it has been a "trip"
> > Where did you get the wrongs? Why have you never given any location
> > other than "the region"? (even a country would be nice) What is your
> > real name?  Where are you?  Was it really that funny?
> >  In case you are not the resurrected Andy Koffman, here is a link
> > that will help you get your lunar specimen's classified (for free)
> >   University of New Mexico 
> > This (above)  is who you really need to be sending your "meteorites."
> > I know we (the group) will miss your intellectual arguments, but all
> > good things must end. (sigh)
> > Amazed,
> > Ken Newton
> >
> >
> >
> > DiamondMeteor wrote:
> >
> >> Please look at the pictures of this nice brecciated lunar meteorite
> >> with fusion crust that I found today:
> >> http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/ln1.htm Also, the
> >> pictures that I showed you a while ago, turned out to be lunar as
> >> well (Mare Basalt), as one of the REAL experts in the field agreed.
> >> Testing is undergoing now. You can compare the pictures below to
> >> Asuka-881757
> >> 
> >> and Dhofar587
> >>  :
> >> http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/ln2.htm  In a way you
> >> helped me alot by refusing whatever I post; this gave me more
> >> enthusiasm to look for undefeatable proofs.  RegardsMohamed
> >> -
> >


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Re: [meteorite-list] Flying Flaming Plastic Bags!

[magellon]

Just be careful of high powered electric power lines or lightning! (Or you might
show up in the local papers.)
Goodday Mate,
Ken

Bob Martino wrote:

> So the make-shift Hot Air Balloon is a poor idea, especially if one lives
> in Australia these days... But here's an alternative.
>
> Buy a surplus weather balloon from a science supply house.  Insert a strong
> flashlight bulb on a wire.  Fill the balloon with Helium (which isn't too
> expensive if you rent a big tank from a party store).  Tie the balloon to a
> long cord.  Let the balloon rise into the air, trailing the wire behind.
> When at the desired height (100-300 feet or so), attach the wire to a
> battery, making the entire balloon glow.  As it bobbs and weaves about in
> the night breeze, try flashing the light by disconnecting and reconnecting
> the wire.  Do this for 30-45 minutes, then pack up and go home.
>
> See what shows up in the local papers over the next few days.  :)
>
> >Back in the 1960's, my older brother and I built similar hot air
> >balloons.  We used old surplus "C" ratio heat tablets for the heat source
> >and suspended them in a wire mesh basket.  The bottom on the balloons,
> >which were made from laundry bags, were held open and supported at the
> >bottom with a circle of light wicker.
>
> 
> Bob MartinoCan you really name a star?
>http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/
> "This is how men behave when they
>  believe they have absolute knowledge."
>-Jacob Bronowski  (speaking from the ashes of Auschwitz)
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Re: [meteorite-list] twit

[magellon]

Mohamed, Robert and All,
Robert is correct! I did a search on "Google" for "DiamondMeteor". 
Mr. Yousef has been trying to get buyers to "resrve a piece of this meteorite"
for awhile. ("Google" makes CACHED snapshots.)
 http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:ALSEskGhdsEC:pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/reserve.htm+DiamondMeteor&hl=en
 http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:XK2q42HOWkYC:pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/prices.htm+DiamondMeteor&hl=en
He thoughtfully changed his web site just for our benefit. Or perhaps
he just packs up his "tent" by making a slight address changes.
    Mohamed, if "registration
and formal classifcation of the meteorite are underway", why are you asking
the List if they are "meteorites?"  Is that how you formally classify
them?  Did you actually get money for any "pieces?"   I
can't say for sure, but it looks like you're blowing your chance to become
an IMCA member
Still Amazed,
Ken Newton
P.S. Jake, I'll take the board game and the two videos.
Robert & Wendi Beauford wrote:
I didn't think it was amusing ~a year ago when I
first saw this absurd
website with it's collection of interesting minerals set up for sale
as
meteorites in what appears to be an lame attempt at fraud. And I can't
say
that I still don't find it amusing, because now I truly do!
This is not the fresh excitement of a person with a very looong learning
curve.  It is either a very very good practical joke (and kudos
to whoever
if it is!) or one of the least impressive people I have ever encountered.
(You should have met the biblical inerancy guy who came by my garage
sale
and explained dinosaurs, the nature of the fossil record, human origins,
and
his views on planetary atmospheres to me the other day.  I was
careful not
to encourage him by hinting any interest in the topics so he wound
down
after only 20 minutes.)
-Robert Beauford  : )
> From: "DiamondMeteor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] lunar?
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:13:48 +0400
>
> Dear Dave and List;
> Sorry if my posts are irritating you so much; but I dont see why!!!
> I promise I will not post anything about my METEORITES until I get
them
> certified.
> The white regions in the last pictures are NOT calcite at all. Besides,
> there is a clear fusion crust that maybe not seen well in the picture
> because the bulk is also black. I forgot to tell you that the rock
is a
> little magnetic,
> though this is not common for lunar meteorites.
> The REAL expert that I am talking about is someone who had tested
many of
> the known lunar meteorites
> and rocks before, including those brought back by Apollo.
> Remember that I am searching in Oman where quite a few lunar meteorites
had
> been
> found before.
> You will see soon that all these three types of rocks are lunar.
Including
> the last
> one that would be the first of its kind.
> http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/ln1.htm
> http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/ln2.htm
> http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/ln3.htm
>
> Good Byeee
> Mohamed
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[meteorite-list] Ebay Meteorwrong!

[magellon]

All,
Can you believe this?
 METEORITES
AUTHENIC GURANTEED
Must be one of Mohamed's friends?
(When this person is not classifying meteorites, he works
as a spelling editor!)
Ken Newton

Re: [meteorite-list] ME08...

[magellon]

Vincent, All,
What a coincidence, after carefully studying the pict. for
19 days, I was just going to write and say," I think it IS A METEORITE!"
 http://users.skynet.be/meteorite.be/keskeME08.html
( I was, too)
K. Newton
vincent jacques wrote:

Hello,
I'm posted 3 weeks ago  some photos with a black stone  found
in south of Sahara during a travel.  I'm received more than 70 responses.
I thank you for your ideas!!
 For 70 % of people (numerous dealers and collectors), this black
stone isn't  meteorite.  What's?  Ventifact was the major
idea.  Also Jade and Dorite was very interesting  ideas. 
Thank you for your numerous photos of meteorite-wrong.  One dealer
wish purchase it... "just for the nice aspect of this meteorite wrong"...mc
Ok, 20% of people don't say what's it. I'm observed that the majority
of desert hunters don't say that's or that's not meteorite: just interesting
stone.
And 10% people ( mainly collectors) think that's a meteorite.  
>From very old chondrite to...   lunar...    It's
crazy... 100% of collectors and dealers  of meteorites are in doubt. 
(also me during 2 months).
I'm received today a  preliminary study based on the oxygen: 
ME08   IS A METEORITE   
I'm my own idea about the possible class. Sorry Bernd, it's not a lunar
:-) , it's not a chondrite, not martian, and it's not ureilite.  It's
other known type.
I don't say more information, and prefer wait next results
Best regards,  Vincent


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[meteorite-list] eBay Meteorwrong!

[magellon]

Hello All,
You should read the description
.
 Meteorite?
awesome specimen from texas
He's sold hematite nodules on eBay before, but he clearly stated what
they were.
later,
Ken Newton   9632
 

Re: [meteorite-list] Water, not wind. (was,"Nice Chondrules")

[magellon]

DiamondMeteor wrote:

> Dear Matteo;
> I am not selling these rocks now. Only put them on the net for discussion.
> cheers
> Mohamed
>

What about:

>DiamondMeteor also wrote:
  >Dear Dave and List;
  >Sorry if my posts are irritating you so much; but I dont see why!!!
  >I promise I will not post anything about my METEORITES until I get them
  >certified

What happened to that promise, Mr. Yousef?

Have a lunar day,
Ken Newton


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!Re: [meteorite-list] Water, not wind. (was,"Nice Chondrules")

[magellon]

Mohamed H. Yousef,
   Is this THE SECRET famous usa university where THE SECRET famous
lunar expert works? The SECRET "REAL expert... someone who had tested many of
  the known lunar meteorites and rocks before, including those brought back by
Apollo!"  The expert  you can't name because of WHY? The SECRET Apollo mission,
perhaps?  Is your "meteorite"  SECRETLY certified lunar or just SECRETLY
identified as being " SECRET."
  Are you sure it is safe to tell us about this? After all I would want
you to get in trouble because you said "I promise I will not post anything about
my METEORITES until I get them certified."  Mohamed, you don't break your
promises, do you?
   And, please be very careful not to tell us too much. (Then it
wouldn't be secret)
MUMhamed is the word!
Ken Newton



mhy wrote:

> Yes Ken;
> I got one certified; well; actually identified now, by a famous university
> in usa.
> Regards
> Mohamed
> ===
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "DiamondMeteor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 6:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Water, not wind. (was,"Nice Chondrules")
>
> > DiamondMeteor wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Matteo;
> > > I am not selling these rocks now. Only put them on the net for
> discussion.
> > > cheers
> > > Mohamed
> > >
> >
> > What about:
> >
> > >DiamondMeteor also wrote:
> >   >Dear Dave and List;
> >   >Sorry if my posts are irritating you so much; but I dont see why!!!
> >   >I promise I will not post anything about my METEORITES until I get them
> >   >certified
> >
> > What happened to that promise, Mr. Yousef?
> >
> > Have a lunar day,
> > Ken Newton
> >
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] New MeteoriteDELETE for gosh sake!quick!

[magellon]

Thanks Dave,
Love your idea!  Hope you don't mind me using it for the Next Episode.
Ken Newton

Next Episode (following introduction scene):

MY: "There is a someone at the tent entrance. Let's go see who it is!" (walks to 
entrance)
"Look Boys and girls,  It's Mr. Secret  Expert from the secret famous usa university. 
Please
come in, Mr. Secret Expert."  What do you have for us today?"

SE: "Another lunar identification for you Mr. Mumhamed" (Hands him large lunar 
certificate)

MY: "Thank You Mr. Secret Expert.  Boys and girls, can you say 'LUNAR' ?  (MY  hangs 
certificate
on tent wall covered with certificates)  And I have something for you, Mr. Secret 
Expert. (hands
him large  black crusted rock with white interior)

SE: " Oh another meteorite! And look, the black fusion crust is an inch thick. 
(close-up of
crust) This must be a special meteorite!"

MY: "What do you mean, Mr. Secret Expert"?

SE: " This one must be from the planet  VENUS. But I have to get back to the secret 
famous usa
university and do some expert tests to make sure, Bye Mr. Mumhamed. Bye, Boys and 
girls" (he
leaves)

MY: " By, Mr. Secret Expert. Hurry Back!   Boys and girls, can you say 'VENUS' ? 
Is that
exciting? If you want to purchase some of the new VENUS meteorite, please send your 
money to the
address on the screen. Remember, send only paper money like this (holds up money) , 
not change
like this! (holds up change in other hand)  O.K. Next time Mr. Mumhamed is going to 
take you to
the place where he finds all his valuable meteorites. That's right,  Boys and girls, 
we are
going 'meteorite hunting.'  But we don't go during the day!  No,  Mr. Mumhamed finds 
his best
meteorites at night. Now, don't be afraid, there is nothing to worry about. We will 
have a good
flashlight because it will be very, very late at night. We will visit all the 
Meteorite shops in
the area. No, we are NOT going inside , we will go around back. The shops will all be 
closed.
That is when we find the really, really, good meteorites. Boys and girls, can you say 
'REJECT
PILE?' (puts on his robe and sandals  and blows out his houka)   Could you be, Would 
you be,
Won't you be my Lunar?  By"
END





David Freeman wrote:

> Dear Fans of the Yous;
> I formerly offered my uncopy-written idea to the Jakster but he was
> laughing so hard he didn't take me seriouslytherefore, I offer it to
> you, those in the world of critics and those with meteorites
> .
> "Mr. Mohamed's Neighborhood"  A satirical television series based on
> adventure, exotic travel, non- science, and dreams of one dreamer
> (remember Willy Wonka and Indy (Jones)?).
> Mr. Mohamed walks into the room and takes off his robe and sandals (we
> are back at the oasis).  He walks through his beautiful multi-colored
> rock garden (complete with little waterfalls).  "Boys and girls, why do
> we read about minerals and rocks?" So we can learn that we are picking
> up just purdy-garden rocks for our special lunar rock garden.  Sometimes
> boys and girls, we don't understand rocks, and others don't understand
> our zeal and lack of knowledge in our purdy-garden rocks.  We will  just
> try and bluff them all, the world is a very big place boys and girls, we
> will just bluff them.  See...lots of lunar meteorites!  This is a very
> special place...in our mind.
> ...and as Mr. Mohamed ends, he puts on his robe and sandals, and blows
> out his houka...could you be, would you be, won't you be my lunar?
>
> I was prodded to post this work of art?
> Davehamared Mahattma-coat Gudanzer
>
> We had the sky, up there, all speckled with stars, and we used to lay on
> our backs and look up at them, and discuss about whether they was made,
> or only just happened.
>-Mark Twain, Huckleberry Finn
> 
>
> DiamondMeteor wrote:
>
> >
> >http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/brn.htm
> >
> >
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[meteorite-list] No More Replies to Mo

[magellon]

All,
There is not one person on the list who has agreed with Mumhamed's
meteorite claims...Therefore he inadvertently groups us all together as "Bad
Members"  I have had enough of his insulting behavior.  I agree with Matteo.
We ALL stop responding to ANY of his messages from this point on. Since he
has all the answers, let him respond to his own picts.
respectfully,
Ken Newton


Matteo Chinellato wrote:

> Hello all
>
> Inform all that they give today I put mohamed in
> ignores, and the council to many others; a person who
> is convinced of having hundred of meteorites when
> these are of simple rocks.Mr.Mohamed I remind that
> here in this list there are collectors or dealer that
> they have years of experience to the shoulders, same I
> have 6 meteorite years to the shoulders, and recognize
> one meteorite from a simple rock. People that work or
> collaborate with Institutes, Museums or University,
> and task that succeed to see the difference from one
> meteorite to a common rock.However I put your address
> in ignore, sincerely I hit me this very your
> conviction in saying that they are meteorites. I only
> augur to you that you do not go in problems if you
> will try to sell these " meteorites ". ( to all sorry
> for the english )
> Regards
>
> matteo
>
> --- DiamondMeteor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dear Bad Members;
> >
> > What do you want me to do? Throw those rocks just
> > because of what you say?
> > If you have some reasons to judge they are wrongs I
> > have many reasons that
> > they are rights. Even if I was wrong about that, so
> > what? What is wrong in
> > my posts? In the beginning you were angry because I
> > was (nicely) arguing
> > your "expert" openions, and now you are angry just
> > because I post. Why dont
> > you
> > take the advice of some memebrs and block my name.
> > Is that not better than
> > spending half an hour in authoring such irritating
> > replies with all the bad
> > words that better suit you. Notice that so far I did
> > not reply to any of
> > your upsetting posts. I told you before it is not
> > worth the press on the
> > reply botton. But for God's sake: what do you think
> > yourselves you are?
> > Experts? Scientists? You should learn some behaviour
> > before you come to
> > science. You really lack basic morals. You need to
> > learn how to respect
> > others, even (and specially) if you think you know
> > better.
> >
> > Maybe your problem is that you cannt believe how I
> > am finding so many
> > meteorites!!! I also cannt believe that and I know
> > it is strange. And I also
> > know some of these rocks do not look like what you
> > have or have seen, BUT I
> > am sure THEY ARE METEORITES as I am sure of my
> > exsistence!!! Already one is
> > proved, and I will post the paper soon.
> >
> > But actually, your real problem is that you believe
> > you are perfect experts
> > and others are null. You should know that the
> > highest level of knowledge one
> > may achieve is to know that he dos'nt know, and
> > accept it. This means that
> > if you know something there are still much more you
> > dont know. But because
> > you wrongly believe you are perfect experts you are
> > not even trying to
> > discuss the
> > positive meteoritic features in my rocks, even if
> > they were wrongs.
> > YOU ARE OBSCURED BY YOUR PROUD(WRONG). Wake Up.
> >
> > My sincere appology to all nice members.
> > Mohamed
> >
>

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Re: [meteorite-list] Simple minded individuals.

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George,
I also encourage the helping of new ones to the list. I don't think anyone on the list 
does not.
But I must ask:  You refer to MHY as the "kid." Do you know how old he is?
Do you know anything more about him than has been posted so far? Why?
MHY can ask questions and he gets answers. When MHY is asked questions he does no 
respond. Is
this fair? It is not rude to ask for help and then be critical when it is given? I 
agree one should not be rude
in return but  WHAT DOES Mohamed WANT ?
Please, George,  enlighten all of us to this QUESTION.  Mohamed won't.  That is what 
has frustrated the
rest of us.
 How can you be so patient with MHY and not understand  the utter frustration in 
others?  What right  do
you have to preach to others under what circumstances they can and  cannot use their 
valuable time in
helping others. If you are so righteous "to take on one for the team" then do so 
quietly. It was your
decision and not the teams'.  Don't try to lay a 'guilt trip' on  unselfish members 
who have a better use of
their time.
Respectfully,
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[meteorite-list] Paradox

[magellon]

matter can be changed to energy  (e=mc2, atomic bomb) and energy to matter.
(creation, Higgs boson)
k.n.

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>
>   Correct me if I'm wrong.  The Astronomy community theorize that the
> universe was created in a millisecond, a flash, the big-bang.  From nothing
> to everything, instantaneously.
>We all accept the theory that matter cannot be created or destroyed.
> So how can this be?
> Inquiring minds would like to know.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
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[meteorite-list] eBay Meteorwrong

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What do you make of this?
 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1073589986
 Lightened
Pict #1
 Lightened
Pict #2
best,
Ken Newton  me
 

Re: [meteorite-list] Other on Eagle Butte

[magellon]

Matteo,
She's a shy girl who likes you and just doesn't know how to phrase it
kn

Matteo Chinellato wrote:

> hello all
>
> Is arrive to me this nice email from the dealear of
> the famous Eagle Butte METEORITE...WOW
>
> Hey, IDIOT! Are you telling me that the University of
> Calgary and a university in Miami not to mention
> myself (having a PhD in Geology/Paleontology and a BSc
> with a major in Astrophysics) are liars? I know this
> guy very well and have seen the meteorites first hand.
> They are genuine! ALSO, he does not require a permit
> to sell them, I talked to the government of Alberta
> for him to obtain all the necessary documents needed
> to sell, THERE WERE NONE REQUIRED! If you would like
> to contact them yourself, go ahead. As far as I am
> concerned if you do not stop contacting all of his
> buyers I will have you suspended from eBay. I have
> studied the area from which these meteorites were
> collected, if you knew what a map looked like you
> would see the astrobleme for yourself (considering you
> know what the hell an astrobleme is). If you know how
> to read coordinates the site is located at Lat.49.70,
> Long. 110.58 on the Alberta Geological Survey's
> Geological map of Alberta, you can find this map on
> the Alberta Geological Surveys Web site, I'd send you
> the link but I have no patients for people who speak
> before they think or RESEARCH! Another note, you
> addressed the e-mail you sent me "Dear Sir", well
> unless I've grown a penis in the time it's taken you
> to get your small minded theories on to an e-mail to
> irritate people you don't even know and make a
> complete ass out of yourself, I prefer to be called
> "Dr. or Ma'am". You have no idea how stupid you sound.
> These meteorites are for real so I suggest you get a
> life and find another hobby, maybe something you're
> good at, because you obviously can't tell genuine
> material from the empty space in your head. One more
> thing, IF it were illegal to sell these items on
> e-Bay, e-Bay would have sent notification of such, not
> only this but there are numerous Professors,
> Geologists, Paleontologists, etc., etc. who watch
> e-Bay like hawks to ensure that Alberta's protected
> resources are not being sold illegally over the
> internet. A good friend and collegue of mine has
> contacted this seller to let him know that he was not
> to sell some of his other items due to protectability
> under the Alberta Government, for example, dinosaur
> bones I believe you notably criticized as being
> 'cattle bones' (if my recollection serves me
> correctly). This seller has sent me numerous copies of
> your rediculous e-mails, I gave him all the
> information he needed to deal with your sorry ass and
> now you're taking up my time. I write this letter not
> as a professional but as a friend, so please, don't go
> opening your big mouth to people you don't know, when
> you don't know what you are talking about; that is
> unless you enjoy making an ass out of yourself.
>
> Do not try to contact me again, I WILL have you
> suspended from e-Bay for harassment of buyers and
> obstruction of a sellers auctions.
>
> Sincerely,
> T.L. Schimpf, PhD. BSc.
>
> Any question?
> regards
>
> matteo
>
> =
> M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato
> Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: 
>http://www.mcomemeteorite.info
> International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140
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[meteorite-list] Ebay MeteorWrong

[magellon]

WoW!
 GROUP
OF 3 PCS. METEORITES
Best,
 kn

[meteorite-list] Bonita Springs

[magellon]

Greetings,
Does anyone have any Bonita Springs for sale?
Please contact me off list.
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[meteorite-list] Copter Crash - Meteorite?

[magellon]

All,
The tragic US Army copter crash (which left no survivors) was witnessed
by fishermen about a mile or two from the crash site. I find it very odd
that they would think the copter was brought down by a meteorite
Quote:
'Rodrigo Alanano, mayor of Dauin town on nearby Negros, said he talked
  with other fishermen who were about one or two miles from the
crash
  site.
  "They saw a helicopter in flames in the air, then it exploded
as it fell into
  the sea," he said. "They thought it was a meteorite."'
End quote
What a strange conclusion? Perhaps they were drinking?
 3
Bodies Found in Copter Crash
puzzled,
 kn

[meteorite-list] Copter Crash - Meteorite?

[magellon]

All,
I feel so stupid!  It never once thought that the fishermen were describing the 
falling Chinook helicopter as a "meteorite". Duh!  As big and noisy as they are, I 
wouldn't expect someone a mile or two away to mistake it for a meteorite!
Sorry,
kn

>All,
>The tragic US Army copter crash (which left no survivors) was witnessed by >fishermen 
>about a mile or
>two from the crash site. I find it very odd that they would think the copter was 
>>brought down by a
>meteorite
>Quote:
>'Rodrigo Alanano, mayor of Dauin town on nearby Negros, said he talked
>  with other fishermen who were about one or two miles from the crash
>  site.
>  "They saw a helicopter in flames in the air, then it exploded as it fell into
>  the sea," he said. "They thought it was a meteorite."'
>End quote
>What a strange conclusion? Perhaps they were drinking?
> 3 Bodies Found in Copter Crash
>puzzled,
> kn


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Re: [meteorite-list] Copter Crash - Meteorite?

[magellon]

You are correct No wonder it made no sense to me.
Thank you for putting up with the ramblings of a fool.
Sending away for "Hooked on Phonics,"
kn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Reading
that quote, surely they're saying that they thought the helicopter *was*
a meteorite as it fell, and not that they thought it was *brought down*
by one..?
A tragedy in any case.
Stu

[meteorite-list] Eagle Butte Picts.

[magellon]

Eagle Butters,
I downloaded a few interesting picts from current E. Butte auction.
Meteoric or Volcanic?
 Flow
Lines 1
 Flow
Lines 2
 Back
Auction Site:
 METEORITE
- Fe/Ni Meteorite Frag. L@@KS NEAT
safe landings,
kn
 

Re: [meteorite-list] be careful with Brad Sampson :-(

[magellon]

Steve,
I'm glad your transaction was smooth. I was not as fortunate. Eventually I got my 
meteorite after countless emails, and dealing with  incredible excuses and lies.  This 
goes beyond being lazy. He IS dishonest.  He has done this to many customers. Many 
(like myself) do not give him negative feedback on eBay because he would only give 
negative feedback in return and has!  Sadly, Brad is reaping what he himself has sown.
Best,
Ken Newton


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> If I remember, I traded a nice Glorieta for a big 850
> g. GAO from him some time back and had no problem.
>
> One thing I have learned when sending packages over the
> borders-- NEVER label them with any mention of
> METEORITES...
>
> For some it is like the box says "Contains GOLD"
>
> Steve Schoner.
>
> On Fri, 01 March 2002, "vincent jacques" wrote
>
> >
> > 
> > Hello all, 
> > I see that brad sampson offer new meteorites.
> Good!    But this person is very
> strange. I'm realized a trade last year with
> Brad and he has received  meteorites from me
> . I wait from him  a big Natan since 1
> year.  This meteorite was never sent at my home,
> and Brad Sampson never could  explain me the
> cause.  He claimed that the meteorite had been
> lost, but never could show me the proof of the sending
> of the meteorite, in spite of my many requests.   In
> january, he propose me to replace the big nantan by 140
> g of Lost Creek. I wait it, and since 1 month, no
> response. I'm not alone
> in this case with Brad Sampson. 
> > Please, be very careful with
> him.
> > Vincent Jacques    href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  
> > Hello Brad, 
> > I wait meteorite from you since 1
> year!!  In january,
> you have propose me in compensation a Lost Creek
> slice (H3) 140 g. I wait  this slice since more
> than 1 monthWhy do you not answer my many
> mails?  Why do you  send  not the
> meteorites? 
> > Vincent
> > 
> > >From: "Brad Sampson"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: [meteorite-list] "AD" Taking
> offers
> > >Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:48:08 -0500
> > >
> > > I'm am taking offers on the following
> items. If you're interested in any of them feel free to
> make an offer. Photos are available so don't hesitate
> to ask. Thanks
> > >
> > >Travis County (a), Texas (H5)
> > > (1) 168g polished endpiece, Monnig
> collection # M22.25
> > >
> > >Leedey, Dewey County, Oklahoma (L6)
> > > (1) 183g crusted slice, Monnig piece
> cut from main mass
> > >
> > >Davy (a), De Witt County, Texas (L4)
> > > (1) 1.39kg polished endpiece, Monnig
> collection # M178.13
> > >
> > >Brad Sampson
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > MSN Photos est le
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> ici
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[meteorite-list] Grayton Meteorite

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Greetings ALL on a lovely Sat,
I am looking for picts for  Grayton Meteorite.  I have one pict but does not display 
much detail.  Any help would be much appreciated. Please contact me off list.
(If anyone has any (not micros) for sale that would be INCREDIBLE!)
Thanks,
Ken Newton
IMCA# 9632

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[meteorite-list] "As the Eagle Butte turns"

[magellon]

All,
I received this email from a new meteorite collector who gave me permission
to share it with you:
"To:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, I liked your info on  Meteorwrongs
.  Very interesting.  I did purchase
two small and very interesting Eagle Buttes for a total of $20. 
These are
without any doubt slag.  When I contacted the seller he put up
a huge fuss
saying that they are indeed meteorites and I was wrong.  I pushed
for a
refund and he told me he would refund minus shipping and that they
better be
exactly as he shipped them or a refund would be denied.  He said
he has very
detailed photos of each piece 'for insurance purposes'.  I am
certain he
will not be refunding my money because they will mysteriously show
up
damaged even though they are well packaged.  I checked his feedback
and
several people have bought these.  The way he has them pictured
on his
auction made it difficult to see the foam and air bubbles which would
make
anyone suspicious.  You can thank guys like these for turning
away new
collectors.
"collector from TX".  (name removed by request)"
Well at  least there are no more listings of EB's on eBay! 
Congrats to IMCA members and others  who spoke up.
Best,
Ken Newton
#9632

[meteorite-list] Turkmenbashi Fall?

[magellon]

All,
Auction sites:  #377
Meteorite very nice  and  #378
Meteorite, unique
Seller states: "this meteorite is from the turkmenbashi fall in tashauz,
turkmenistan. the meteorite was a known fall on june 20th, 1998 at 12:25pm..
the weight of this piece is 4.7grams this is a great and inexpensive way
to own a part of space. this meteorite is classified H4-5 buyer pays shipping
of $2.00 "
I cannot find this in Meteoritical Bulletin(s) , is it for real?
(If you find this, please tell me where it is)
Ken Newton   ME
#9632
 

Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall

[magellon]

HOW

ken newton


"Matson, Robert" wrote:

> A summary of the guesses so far, in the order posted:
>
> --
> LL6Rob Elliott
> Diogenite  Bernd Pauli (guess later rescinded)
> L6, brecciated Martin Horejsi
> LL6 (highly recrystallized)Herbert Raab *
> L5 Rhett Bourland
> LL4-6  Rob Matson
> L/LL6  Frank Cressy
> L5, brecciated Mike Tettenborn
> Polymict eucrite   Dave Schultz
> Iron IIABDave Radosevich (sandbagging ;-))
> Hematite nodule  Jeannie (also sandbagging)
> EL6Tracy Latimer
> L4 Jason Phillips
> L6, brecciated, w/shock veins  Steve Schoner **
> --
>
> * Herbert needs to choose again (same as Rob Elliott)
> ** Steve Schoner needs to choose again (Martin beat him to it)
>
> Bernd:  do you want to stick with diogenite just for fun, or do
> you have a back-up guess that hasn't been taken yet?
>
> Since our guesses are getting pretty precise, I'll assume my
> LL4-6 was sufficiently different from Rob's to be accepted.
> If Rob is in agreement, then I officially release my second
> choice of H4-6.
>
> Quite a few ordinary chondrite variations remain (as well an
> non-OC designations, if you're feeling cheeky), so have at
> it gang!
>
> Cheers,
> Rob M.
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[meteorite-list] EBay Meteorwrong?

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All,
I love the story that goes with this. It is like a combination of classic "stories."
Any comments on the "meteorite?"
Best,
Ken Newton


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[meteorite-list] [Fwd: EBay Meteorwrong?]

[magellon]

It might help if I gave the link:
 VINTAGE
METEORITE BALL with HISTORY
Sorry about that!
Ken
--- Begin Message ---

All,
I love the story that goes with this. It is like a combination of classic "stories."
Any comments on the "meteorite?"
Best,
Ken Newton


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[meteorite-list] Your opinion, please...

[magellon]

An eBayer saw my meteorwrong page and asked my opinion of the following.
I discreetly bow to those more experienced: ( the last two picts are
small, sorry)
 Top
 Bottom
 Side
Here is her story,
"I picked this up in country New South Wales in a National Park Wilderness
area. It is unlike any surrounding rocks or any that I have seen in that
district. I have done quite a bit of fossicking for sapphires & rubies
and seen nothing like this. The area is mostly volcanic basalt overlying
granidiorite and some granitic areas. This may be terrestrial iron, but
if so, it perhaps may have become airborne from the volcano?, as it is
oriented and has a rollover lip. It is heavier than other rocks of similar
size, but not considerably so, (125 gms), and it is slightly magnetic,
but not considerably so. Size is 2.5" x 1.5" x 1". Incidentally, there
is no industry within several hundred kilometres, and no railway line,
so it would not be smelter ore or slag."
I will pass on to her you expert observations.
Thanks,
Ken Newton
#9632

[meteorite-list] Re: Your opinion...Thanks

[magellon]

Thank You  for the responses and expertise!
Best to you!
Ken Newton



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[meteorite-list] Re: Hmmmmmmmm

[magellon]

Greg,
Both bottom picts indicate a great deal of pitting. Unfortunately,
I would say not a meteorite.  Perhaps others on the list will venture
to comment.
 Newly
found By Novice Over 8 lb.AZ/Nev Meteor
Best,
Ken Newton
 
 
 
Greg Redfern wrote:
Hi Ken and List,
   If you have time check out this eBay auction Item # 1085374738,
1st page,
"Newly Found by Novice 8# meteorite from NV/AZ", continuing:
   "Sorry but I am not a person who deals in this type of
commodity. I just
happned to find it and was suprised at the weight of the rock and decided
to
keep it and found out through investigation and the opinion of two
colleage
geologists that it was a meteorite. It is very magnetic and measures
about
six inches across and about 3 1/2" tall. I was told to have a piece
sliced
off for further study at UCLA but decided that I would try to sell
it whole
and leave that part of the study to the new owner. As I stated I have
the
opinion of two geogoligists, but it would have to be given a more detailed
study to know for sure. I am hoping someone will know exactly what
it is and
from where it came from. Please e-mail if you need any aditional information
or pictures..thanks for considering my auction. E-mail address
[EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a five day auction."
  It doesn't look like a meteorite in some of the pix, especially
the one
with a molten layer look.
Sincerely,
Greg Redfern
IMCA #5781
www.meteoritecollectors.org

[meteorite-list] More on: Your opinion, please...

[magellon]

Here is the reply from the Aussie gal with the meteor wrong:

"I appreciate very much your efforts on my behalf and the interest you have
taken.  I took your advice and rubbed the sample on medium grade sandpaper -
it rubbed the surface of the paper right off, but the stone was unmarked. No
scratches or shiny area. It sure is tough stuff!!
I then rubbed it as you said on the back of a ceramic tile and it left dark
gray marks, so I guess it's not hematite. I would assume then that it is
magnetite, although only slightly magnetic.
So, it is still a bit of a mystery. What do you think?
Incidentally, Ken, when I think about it, I may have found a few small
pieces of this same material in a stream nearby, when searching alluvials
for corundum. If they turn out to look like the same material, I will send
them to you if you are interested.  They were not prolific, probably enough
to fill a matchbox in approx. half a ton of gravel. I will see what I can
find."
Thanks again for the responses.
Best,
Ken Newton

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An eBayer saw my meteorwrong page and asked my opinion of the following.
I discreetly bow to those more experienced: ( the last two picts are
small, sorry)
 Top
 Bottom
 Side
Here is her story,
"I picked this up in country New South Wales in a National Park Wilderness
area. It is unlike any surrounding rocks or any that I have seen in that
district. I have done quite a bit of fossicking for sapphires & rubies
and seen nothing like this. The area is mostly volcanic basalt overlying
granidiorite and some granitic areas. This may be terrestrial iron, but
if so, it perhaps may have become airborne from the volcano?, as it is
oriented and has a rollover lip. It is heavier than other rocks of similar
size, but not considerably so, (125 gms), and it is slightly magnetic,
but not considerably so. Size is 2.5" x 1.5" x 1". Incidentally, there
is no industry within several hundred kilometres, and no railway line,
so it would not be smelter ore or slag."
I will pass on to her you expert observations.
Thanks,
Ken Newton
#9632
--- End Message ---

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor-Wrong Gone from Ebay

[magellon]

Bob,
I wrote the seller last night asking what happened. She said," I'm
the middle "woman" in this auction.  The owner of this was contacted
by an employee of the Perkins Conservatory here in Ohio and was asked to
bring the item in for testing.  He choose to meet with him. 
I can let you know what conclusions were reached if you'd like."
I wrote back and ask to be kept informed .
Best,
Ken
Bob Martino wrote:
All,
The eBay auction for the "Vintage Meteorite Ball"
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1083831262)
was removed
before it was complete.  I don't know if I had anything to do
with it, but
I sent e-mail to the seller and encouraged him to have it checked out.
This guy is _local_ to me (we both live in Columbus, Ohio), so I thought
he
would have no excuse to not have it looked over if I offered to do
so.  He
didn't reply, but he did remove the auction.

Bob Martino   
Can you really name a star?
  
http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/
"I look up to the heavens
 but night has clouded over
 no spark of constellation
 no Vela no Orion." 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor-Wrong Gone from Ebay

[magellon]

?  
An auction can be canceled at any time buy the seller ?

If it hasn't
received any bids, yes.  Seems fairit might frustrate people who
were planning on bidding on it, but from the seller's point of view, if
there's absolutely no bidder-commitment, no visible interest on his item,
he should be able to change his mind about selling it, for whatever reason.

Actually there may be bids, but the bids must first be closed.
EBay says: "Canceling Bids:
You can cancel bids in an auction if one or more of the following circumstances
apply:
   1.You have decided to end the auction early
   2.A bidder contacts you to back out of a bid
   3.You cannot verify the identity of a bidder after trying
all reasonable means of contact
Note: Since bid cancellations are publicized in the auction bidding
history, you will be asked to provide a reason for your cancellation to
bidders.
End the Auction Early
You may miss out on just the bid you've been waiting for if you end
your auction early. Still, there may be times when you have a valid reason
to end an auction early. You may end your auction if you decide not to
sell the item. To do this, you must choose the option to cancel all bids
on your auction. You may also choose the option to sell to the high bidder.
You will need to provide a reason explaining why you have ended the
auction early. This reason can be found at the top of the Closed item page.
You may also provide additional details in your item description. "
Respectfully,
Ken Newton

Re: [meteorite-list] Eagle Butte - One more time

[magellon]

>"We found no detectable Ni."
But, Mr. Keith (Eagle Butte) Crawford told me "(EB's were) Tested at
the University of Calgary's Chem Lab. Some pieces were sent to Ontario
for further intensive testing and have never heard anything else. 
Just basic elements were tested at the U of C.  They came up with
the composition  77% Fe    20% Ni  and 
3% other, rounding it off to 80 - 20." If he would lie about this do you
suppose he (posing as his wife)  would lie about some naughty relative
pretending to be a museum board member?
Amazing,
Ken Newton
LabNEMS wrote:
List:
 From a customer we received a sample of the material recently
referred to and discussed on this list as Eagle Butte.
Sample chemical analysis summary:
The received material is porous and not homogeneous.  There are
varying
proportions
of FeO, MgO, Ca, Al, and Dolomite within "clumps".  The terms
"clast" and
"breccias"
are not used to define these concentrations as the boundaries are poorly
defined.
We found no detectable Ni.
In our opinion this is ferrous slag similar to the iron slag used for
road bases.  (actually Canada is an important source of ferrous
slag
accounting for about 26% of USA imported needs)
Bernd Pauli wrote:
"Unfortunately there is no crater information in the 5th issue of the
Catalogue. Those among us who still have access to the BBB (the
Big Blue Book = 4th edition of the Catalogue) know that Eagle Butte
is mentioned as a doubtful feature:
A disturbed area, 10 km in diameter and 30-40 million years old, may
be
meteoritic, P.B. Robertson and R.A.F. Grieve, Journ. Roy. Astron. Soc.
Canada, 1975, vol. 69, p. 1, but compare T.B. Haites and H. van Hees,
Journ. Alberta Soc. Petrol. Geologists, 1962, vol. 10, p. 511. Bore
holes and electric log data for the structure, H.B. Sawatzky in, Impact
and Explosion Cratering, eds. D.J. Roddy, R.O. Pepin and R.B. Merrill,
Pergamon Press (New York), 1977, p. 461."
To Bernd's contribution I would add the work of Hodge and Sawatzky:
"Eagle Butte, Alberta
Lat/Long: N49 deg. 42', W110 deg. 30'
Diameter: 19 km
Age <65 Ma
Condition: Eroded"
"Eagle Butte is in the Cypress Hills area of southern
Alberta (Canada).  Cypress Hills Provincial Park occupies
part of the eastern portion of the structure. The structure was
recognized as a geophysical anomaly long before it was found
to be an impact feature. Both surface geology and sub-surface
information from wells support its identification as such."
"The geophysical contours show a central uplift and a surrounding
ring depression."
"Meteorite Craters and Impact Structures of the Earth", Hodge, Paul,
1994, University of Cambridge Press.
And
"Two probable Late Cretaceous astroblemes in Western Canada:
Eagle Butte, Alberta and Dumas, Saskatchewan". Geophysics, 41,
1261 - 1271"
Is there existing meteoritic material associated with the Eagle Butte
structure?  I don't know.  All that I can say for sure is
that the material we
received is not meteoritic.
A word of caution:
Some of the longer-term members of the List may remember
our involvement with material that came to be referred to as
the "Emerald Meteorite".  (summary story about the "Emerald
Meteorite", for those unfamiliar with it is at:
http://www2.suite224.net/~editorsb/updates/meteorite.htm
)
Our chemical analysis showed it to be a foundry
by-product, probably from the lining of a refractory kiln and not meteoritic.
Some members may still have samples of this material in their collections.
Legal consequences resulting from this were unpleasant.  Fortunately
Tim McCoy's (Smithsonian) independent analysis concurred with ours
and the finders/promoters backed off.
My point ( something I'm sure that many List members have experienced)
is that it is sometimes very, very, difficult to convince someone
untrained or unfamiliar with meteoritics that what they have is of
terrestrial occurrence. If they choose a legal path it can become
costly and uncomfortable for all.  I find it far better in these
circumstances,
that when asked, to offer an "opinion" on the material rather than
to
speak in "absolutes" that may be heard as a denouncement.
Everyone has an opinion but denouncements can get you sued.
Of course, this is just my "opinion".
Russ K./NEMS
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[meteorite-list] Ebay Tektite "wrong"

[magellon]

Auction -    AWESOME
CANYON DIABLO TEKTITE 307.08 GRAMS NR
Descript - " The only thing I guarantee about this specimen, is that
it is from the heart of the Diablo Canyon  Scatterfield! I firmly
believe it to be a "Tektite" (a mixture of meteorite/earth metals and silicates
ejected from the crater by  the force of impact). No doubt the Fusion
Crust and stress lines on this Tektite are due to it being cast high enough
in earth's atmosphere to have experienced "reentry.""
 
Wow - A "tektite" that was ejected into space and still "landed" near
the impacting crater - neat trick! ( I don't even believe "it" is from
Diablo Canyon)
Best,
Ken Newton

[meteorite-list] Ancient Chinese Meteorite

[magellon]

Did anyone else see this story?
 Meteor
May Solve How Mythic Emperor Died
Best,
Ken Newton
#9632

[Fwd: [meteorite-list] TRue or False about Gasoline Imports? - off the topic]

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This page from the DoE for year 2001 make me think the
fiqures from the email are questionable when you look at
Shell and others. Even though it does not cover exact time period
I would not trust it!
 Crude
Oil Imports From Persian Gulf 2001
Best,
Ken Newton
Tim Heitz wrote:
 
 
 
Found this on the Yahoo Raytheon message board. 
If this is true, I'm going
to be buying a lot more gas at BP & Conoco stations!
 
 True or false?
 
I received this email from a friend. Has anyone else seen this or been
able
to verify its content?...
Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into
the
coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import
their
oil from the Saudis.
Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up
the
tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my
family,
and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to know which
oil
companies are the best to buy gas from.
Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil
(for the period 9/1/00 - 8/31/01).
Shell 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon/Mobil.. 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon. 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco 62,231,000 barrels
If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION!
Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
Citgo 0 barrels
Sunoco 0 barrels
Conoco 0 barrels
Sinclair 0 barrels
BP/Phillips 0 barrels
All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and
can
be easily documented. Refineries located in the U.S. are required to
state
where they get their oil and how much they are monthly basis.
Keep this list in your car; share it with friends.


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[meteorite-list] What is This?

[magellon]

Greetings all,
This is Ivan's auction:
 OLDEST
Meteorite Phaeton? CV3 Earth Fullerite
he says"*the oldest meteorite has been found on Earth"
and "CV3 Earth Fullerite"
Does this have any  factual meteoric origins?
Anyone ever heard of it?
Thanks,
Ken
 
 

[Fwd: [meteorite-list] A curious reference]

[magellon]

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This site has a pict of 1851 2 gal patent bucket:
 Tin
Ware
Best,
Ken
Walter Branch wrote:
Hello Everyone,
Does anyone know what is "patent bucket" is and how large it is?
Since a retrievable reference is supplied, I will go ahead and add this
one
to my list of meteorites that have hit things.  Perhaps someone
could do
further research on this one in the future.
-Walter
---
Walter Branch, Ph.D.
Branch Meteorites
322 Stephenson Ave., Suite B
Savannah, GA  31405 USA
www.branchmeteorites.com
- Original Message -
From: "Alan Pickup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Francis Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A curious reference
> Francis Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
> >Now here's a curious reference:
> >
> >English Mechanic "Killed by a Meteor" 1880 06 04
> >
> >Alas. My library does not have this. I could do an
> >interlibrary request, but if this has your curiosity
> >aroused too, and your library has back issues of the
> >"English Mechanic", it will save time if you share a
> >synopsis.
>
> Francis (& list),
>
> I have unearthed the copy of the "English Mechanic and World of Science"
> No 793 for June 4, 1880, in the library of the Royal Observatory,
> Edinburgh. There is a one paragraph note (p316 of the volume) that
> reads:
> ___
> Killed by a Meteor -- The "South Australian register" for April 3
quotes
> the "Littleton Times" as stating that as David Meisenthaler, a
> well-known stockman of Whitestone township, was driving his cows
to the
> barn about daylight a short time ago, he was struck by an aerolite
and
> instantly killed. It appears as if the meteor had come from a direction
> a little west of south, and fell from an angle of about 60 degrees,
for
> it first passed through a tall maple, cutting the limbs as clean
as if
> it had been a cannon-ball, and then struck him apparently on or under
> the shoulder, passing clean through him obliquely from below the
right
> shoulder to above the left hip, and buried itself about two feet
in the
> soft black ground. The poor man's head and legs were injured, but
the
> greater part of his body seems to have been crushed into the earth
> beneath the terrific aerolite, which was about the size of a common
> patent bucket, and apparently of a rough, round shape. It appeared
to be
> formed of what is called iron pyrites.
> ___
>
>
> Alan
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hello Everybody - eBay Auction - FREE GOLD BASIN

[magellon]

Hi Mark,
Here goes-
Bonita Springs - Fla,
I live in Lehigh Acres,  Fl.. 20 miles away
Ken Newton
Mark Bostick wrote:

Hello
Everyone, I have been
sick the last few weeks so I have been kinda quite.   If I missed
anyones e-mail please re-email me.   I would like to thank everybody
for their kind words lately.  Whether it was get well or nice article
or whatever.  The meteorite community is a great group of people even
if we cant all get along all the time...:-) Also,
in light of the fact I feel better and just wrote Gold Basin article in
the latest MeteoriteTimes issue I would give a free Gold Basin meteorite
to someone.  I liked the Name that Tune a few list members did but
it made me think you guys wouldnt know the music I listen to so I have
decided to do something didn't in which everyone can answer to.  A
free 15.8 gram Gold Basin individual goes to whoever lives the closest
to a meteorite find or fall in his collection.  My would be Belle
Plaine, Kansas.   Its about 10 miles from me.  The storms
(this is Kansas...no hills, mountains, tall trees, ects. ) Usally hit them
first so I here the name all the time on the news..   I have
a nice 75 grams slice with a Westcott number (the finder) I traded from
Steve Arnold.  (There might be a closer one to me but I havent seen
it YET).  So whats the closest meteorite find or fall to you? I
back to around 200 eBay auctions so while your thinking feel free to brouse
my side of eBay...here's my last auction http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1099729617 Told
you I was feeling better...:-) Mark
Bostick "The Big Collector"

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrong education

[magellon]

Charlie, Rhett, Matteo, Tom, Greg, and All,
Thank You!
However, I'm just following the lead of
the very successful  IMCA.
It is a privilege be part of this organization.
I am very thankful to all associated with it.
Suggestions that could improve my ME page
would be greatly appreciated. (contact me off-list)
Best,
Ken
#9632

Charlie Devine wrote:

> Dear list:
>
> I noticed recently that Ken Newton has created an About Me page on eBay
> with the purpose of educating bidders on the existence of meteorwrongs
> on eBay.  I think he's done a fantastic job.  Take a look:
> http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/magellon/
>
> Best wishes,
> Charlie
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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorwrong education - refer to?

[magellon]

Steven and All,
As long " we are not expressly warning that person to retract their
bid," and  I will not be contacting anyone directly,  I see no
violation of eBay rules. ( Can you envision some newbie wondering why he
got five different emails encouraging him to visit my meteorwrong page!!!???)  
Unless someone comes up with an eBay rule prohibiting education on a "Me
Page,"  I have NO OBJECTIONS. Nor do I think the page would be in
jeopardy. Sounds like a helpful idea.
Best,
Ken
Me Page
#9632
 
 
QUESTION: If a bidder has a bid on an obviously meteorwrong,
can we email
that person with the address of Ken's meteorwrong page? While we are
not
expressly warning that person to retract their bid, (and the seller
could
report us to Ebay) they can examine the page...draw their own
conclusions...and retract their own bid once they have been educated.
Does
this sound duable?   Would Ken's page be in jeopardy?
Best to all,
Steven L. Sachs    http://www.geocities.com/gangwise/meteorite.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrong education

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Matteo and All,
Good idea! Anyone with an eBay "Me" page is welcome to link to
my "Me" page as Matteo has done.
Matteo's
Page  Link is "About Meteorwrongs"
Best,
Ken
Me page
#9632
Matteo Chinellato wrote:
Hello all
Why the all persons have a page on Ebay About Me, no
put this page in a link, type my page?
Regards
Matteo
--- magellon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Charlie, Rhett, Matteo, Tom, Greg, and All,
> Thank You!
> However, I'm just following the lead of
> the very successful  IMCA.
> It is a privilege be part of this organization.
> I am very thankful to all associated with it.
> Suggestions that could improve my ME page
> would be greatly appreciated. (contact me off-list)
> Best,
> Ken
> #9632
>
> Charlie Devine wrote:
>
> > Dear list:
> >
> > I noticed recently that Ken Newton has created an
> About Me page on eBay
> > with the purpose of educating bidders on the
> existence of meteorwrongs
> > on eBay.  I think he's done a fantastic job.  Take
> a look:
> > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/magellon/
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Charlie
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Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com
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[meteorite-list] Searchin'

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All,
Does anyone know or have a current email address for
Gabriel Shaqued Balogh ? (The address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
is no longer current.)
Best,
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Re: [meteorite-list] WARNING VIRUS ALERT

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Jim,
You are two years ahead of the rest of us! "May 2004"
Ken
PS  I have sent you 3 emails in last two weeks and have not heard
from
you. This is probably why!
 
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Hello
All, After becoming infected 2 days ago from a
list member & losing 6 months of e-mails & other assorted data
now I have received the same virus from the following address mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Below
is the name of the virus & the name of the file. The strange thing
is that I received it from the list address on an e-mail address that has
never been used on the list. JimJames Hartman  Date: 5/13/04,
Time: 22:28:58, Virus scanning completed.
Items scanned:  C:-D: Date: 5/14/04, Time: 8:12:54, Virus
scanning completed.
Items scanned:  C:-D: Date: 5/15/04, Time: 2:01:24, The
file
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\Winkpj.exe
is infected with the W32.Klez.H@mm virus.
Unable to repair this file.Date: 5/15/04, Time: 2:01:32, The file
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\Winkpj.exe
was infected with the W32.Klez.H@mm virus.
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[meteorite-list] Ebay M-Wrong?

[magellon]

Greetings virus survivors,
Another estate sale. Another " meteorite"!  Heavy
Iron Meteorite
What do you think?
 Lightened
photo.
Best,
Ken
 
 
 
 
Heavy Iron Meteorite

Re: [meteorite-list] What IS this stuff???another puzzler

[magellon]

Fred and All,
I saw his auction for  Antique
Ancient Chinese Stone Meteorite Frog
I couldn't figure why he didn't post a pict. Then I went to the web
site a saw
the  Meteoric
Frog?   Now I know why he didn't post the pict,  it
is obviously not meteoric.
Hoppy Trails,
Ken
P.S.  Save a  meteoric beer for me!
 
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For another fun
puzzler, check out Meteorite Taipei at geocities.com/meteoritetaipei and
see if you can spot any meteorites among the earth rocks for sale. According
to this meteorite dealer, if a magnet sticks to it, it's a meteorite. OK,
by that rule my Amana refrigerator is now classified as a large meteorite
for sale, with crust. Minus the food and beer, of course.
Regards, Fred Hall

[meteorite-list] Ebay M-wrong

[magellon]

Greetings,
Another Oriental wrong:  Thunder
God Stone: CHINA OLD METEORITE
Lightened  Photo
.
Anyone wish to venture as to what this actually is?
Ken Newton
 
 

Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay M-wrong

[magellon]

Great idea!
Ken
#9632

Michael Blood wrote:

> Hi Rafael and all,
> What do other members of the IMCA think of adopting a policy
> encouraging all members to include a statement when posting to
> eBay along the lines of:
> "Member of IMCA" BEWARE non-IMCA members offering
> "meteorites" on eBay that are NOT meteoritic. Buy only from
> IMCA dealers and fellow collectors to insure what you are
> getting IS actually a meteorite, not a 'meteorwrong!'"
> Without such a statement, the IMCA function is fairly impotent
> on eBay. This, at least, would cause buyers to consider/reconsider
> crapola offered from non-members & since membership is open
> to anyone committed to legitimate practices, I don't know how
> there could be any objection.
> What do people think?
> RSVP
> Thanks, Michael PS: Let's keep it on the list - won't do much good
> to email me, personally, on this issue.
>
> --
> Rafael Blando Torres wrote:
> >
> > I think its a tektite too, is there anybody on the net who controls a little
> > bit ebays??..it seems almost anyone can post a garden rock or some stupid
> > thing and claim its a meteorite, and win some money.
> >
> > For example, we as meteorite collectors know what a meteorite looks like or
> > at least we know where to buy meteorites¡¡¡, but an uninformed person
> > cannot tell a difference and can buy a simple rock thinking its a meteorite.
> > My friends always say: "how do you know its a meteorite and not a garden
> > rock?" and I always reply them: I buy them from reputable dealers¡¡
> >
> > Can we do somthing to prevent these frauds???
> >
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[meteorite-list] Classic eBay M-Wrong

[magellon]

Hi,
You have got to see this:   METEOR
>From Deep Deep Outer Space
Lighten Picts  Photo#1  
Photo#2   
Photo#3
This is THE CLASSIC M-wrong. In an email the guy even told me "I found
it the morning of the first night of the Band of meteorites passing
through Earth's path.  We were pelted in this area for several
nights but I
am the only one that has reported recovering one."  Also, "Just
in the short year that I have owned this I have answered questions, displayed,
and shipped this precious object to all parts of the planet for viewing."
Yet, I was the first person to ask if his find was attracted to a magnet.
(He did not know and does not have a magnet)
Everything from the description to the photos looks and sounds 
fake. When I ask a seller of a m-wrong if I can use his photo and description
for my M-wrong Page, the dishonest ones (knowing their meteorite is a fake)
usually say no or agree under  anonymity. This guy wanted publicity,
so I'm convinced that he actually believes all the unbelievable stuff he
is saying. That's incredible!
Ken Newton
#9632
 me
 

Re: [meteorite-list] Classic eBay M-Wrong

[magellon]

 
John Reed wrote:
Ken , I think your making to big a deal out of this.
If you are referring to educating new collectors, I hope so!
Any serious person will check them out before spending
a sizable amount of money
I believe new collectors from many lands arrive daily on eBay and have
no idea of what is or is not a meteorite or where to look to learn more.
Likewise, any object found  that looks different must be a meteorite
and must be auctioned for big bucks. (The reserve on the auction below
is three million $)
You spent 40.00 on a phony but, look what it got
you your now an expert on the whole subject.
A dishonest or uneducated seller improves the hobby by selling fakes? I
don't think so!  How many persons have given up the meteorite hobby
because they got burnt ? (I don't  know!) Fortunately,  I met
so many nice and helpful dealers that I was drawn in to this amazing hobby.
You know what they say  about guilt or innocence
in the criminal justice system " Its better that 100 guilty men go free
than 1 innocent man be found guilty "here's how that applies to meteorites 
Its better that a 100 people buy a 40.00  fake than 1 real meteorite
be discarded
Each case in the justice system is examined with both sides presenting
its case and judged on its own merits. The auctions on
eBay are presented from only one side with picture/s (evidence) so
bad that it is often useless. So I don't really see a correlation. This
is a bad example, but let's look at your illustration with a view to the
total cost.  In the justice system what if the guilty men let free
are killers who will each  kill again? What good is it to save one
innocent man at the cost of 100 more innocent persons. In the case of meteorwrongs,
those 100 wrongs will again be sold over and over and over as real meteorites.
And this is better than trashing one real meteorite?  
Also even fake meteorites can make people curious
and genuinely interested which means your collection is worth more just
by the amount of that interest I am a licensed landscape contractor and
guess what? I charge more because a lot of times  the unlicensed can't
do the work therefor more work is funneled to me more demand for a higher
standard means more for $ me.  I think meteorites will naturally follow
that same course and be found out in the end only to the benefit of 
the legitimate collector  I really think the focus should be on quicker
and more  conclusive testing
I'll  be more than happy to change my M-wrong site if you have some
good ideas. But should I change it without specific suggestions of something
better?
Universities are not well equiped for real testing
and I know by thier methods they are probably overlooking the most rarest
type the low metals since they primarily test with a magnet  Where
are all the private labs hiding where you can pay and find out EXACTLY
what you have? , they are out there but' their not set up for meteorite
ID that well  Its not an easy process getting a straight answer on
a rock sample in fact its very difficult  it needs to be streamlined
Is their a machine you can buy to test samples?
I thought you were familiar with how the Universities  and private
labs did testing? For more info go to
 Meteorite Studies 
click on "Found a Meteorite   Click Here" on right hand page
at bottom. Mr. Weir not only lists 13 facilities that classify but the
physical methods involved are listed at the bottom of the page for each
type of classification.
shove it in like an oven turn a dial out comes a
print out of your samples enerts,  if there is I'm going to get one
and start charging all those fakers 5$ each to conclusively absolutely,
undeniably certifiably identify their ?  I think ther could be a big
demand  What do you think?    Also check this out, 
this is what the universitiy called quartz let me know what you think 
http://www.FINDALLTRADES.COM/projects/Snowwhite.htm
Thanks John
After carefully examining your photo, I am pleased to report that I wouldn't
want to make a big deal out of this being real or not. It really doesn't
matter.  Just remember these wise words." so even fake meteorites
can make people curious and genuinely interested which means your collection
is worth more just by the amount of that interest."  That will be
$5.00 please. : > )
Best,
Ken
magellon wrote:
Hi,
You have got to see this:   METEOR
>From Deep Deep Outer Space
Lighten Picts  Photo#1 
Photo#2  
Photo#3
This is THE CLASSIC M-wrong. In an email the guy even told me "I found
it the morning of the first night of the Band of meteorites passing
through Earth's path.  We were pelted in this area for several
nights but I
am the only one that has reported recovering one."  Also, "Just
in the short year that I have owned this I have answered questions, displayed,
and shipped this precious object to all parts of the planet for viewing."
Yet, I was the first p

Re: [meteorite-list] More details....& thanks! Got had & need help.

[magellon]

Jeannie,
I checked my emails. Not only has this person used the ID's "j.c.z.inc","bubbamisen",
but also as "pahanaswife". Instead of email name " Judith McCabe," this
person replied to me in Feb as Colin Scott.  I am sure this is the
same person because the Link to the auction for "pahanaswife" now shows
the ID "j.c.z.inc". (Feb auction - 
200
plus pieces meteorite ) This is one slippery person. When asked I about
the CD meteorites in Feb, I was told the light coloration was from dust
as they had not been cleaned.  I then wrote back asking if he would
guarantee these as being metal (nickel/iron) ,  I have no record of
a reply.
Jeannie, I think the way to get this guy is his own reference to: "
It is forbidden to collect this material now after the federal government
slapped a irreplacable resourse label on it." I have always thought that
this regulation referred to core material and not oxide. If so,
he has trapped himself. However, I don't know where to get more info on
this. Perhaps the someone on the List knows?
I did write "j.c.z.inc" (address - [EMAIL PROTECTED]) encouraging
this person to refund  the monies only to get a harsh reply threatening
to sue me.( sound familiar?)   Hopefully, others will write this
person.(Auction in dispute -  Item
# 1088285627 )  A large number of emails could have an attitude
adjusting effect.
Best,
Ken Newton
PS - This person also wrote claiming to have 150 satisfied meteorite
customers, yet he has only 16 feedbacks. Of those 16 only 3 are for Canyon
Diablo Meteorites and of those only 2 are different persons.  Where
are the other 148?
TMS/TNS/HRC wrote:

Hello list! First
off, let me thank again everyone who responded so quickly and thoughtfully
to my dilemma.  I so much appreciate the kindness and generosity of
this list.  What a great group of people! Since
I have given the seller ample time to make good, and right this situation
to no avail I'm going to post all the details of the transaction in hopes
that no one else will run into the same problems. The
material is pale and orangy/tan in color.  Some pieces are slightly
attracted to a magnet (but obviously less than to a real CD), and others
are not.  They are mostly rather flat and angular with many having
a layered appearance.  The heft is also noticeably lighter than Canyon
Diablos. Yes, the purchase was made on Ebay. 
The auction # is 1088285627 and is still available for viewing.  The
title of the auction is "30+ Pieces of Canyon Diablo Meteorite". 
As you can see, the photo is not the best.  I have been tracking the
seller closely and they have not posted any more "meteorite" auctions since
the one I bought, just garage sale junk.  I would be very suprised
if they are members of this list, or of the "meteorite community" in general. 
There were some auctions of this material sold before mine, however. 
I do not recognize any of the bidders or winners of these auctions but
I am not really familiar with people's Ebay user IDs. The
user's name is Judith McCabe, with a user ID of "j.c.z.inc".  This
is a new user ID.  The one in place for the sale of the "meteorite"
material was "bubbamisen".  There was no return address on the box
I received in the mail, but the post mark was Oswego, NY. After
expressing my dissatisfaction and wish to return the merchandise, this
is the response I received from the seller: "The items sent
you are deffinetly canyon diablo meteorite as listed in issue 5 of the
meteorite encyclopedia. If as you say you have indeed been a dealer you
would know this. We have over 150 satisfied customers with this material.
And we can prove the material was collected from the crater rim. " I
emailed back with a very straightforward and polite reply, explaining to
the best of my ability why I felt the material was misrepresented and asking
for an address to return the material.  I received no reply. If
anyone has any knowledge of this person, or this auction, or has had dealings
with her please let me know (on or offlist).  I would be interested
to know.  I'll keep everyone posted with what happens, just so you
know. I'm also going to try to take some pictures
this evening of the material I was sent next to some known Canyon Diablos,
and if I can get a good image I will post it here so you can see it firsthand.Thank
you again everyone, and any more replies I get will be most appreciated. Remember
Ebayers, it's a jungle out there!  : ) Regards
to all,Jeannie DevonIMCA #9236The
Museum Store/The Nature SourceAnchorage, AKwww.thenaturesource.com__

Re: [meteorite-list] diamond xtls.

[magellon]

No Bill Mason listed on p268. Does he go by a business name?
There are seven dealers listed under DIAMOND CRYSTALS but no Bill Mason.
Would you like me to list contact info with some of these dealers?
Ken
harlan trammell wrote:

not having very much luck in obtaining a
nice 1/4"-3/8" octahedral rough diamond crystal for my minerals-found-in-meteorites
collection. someone said try bill mason on p 268 of the 2002 tucson show
guide. i do not do tucson. can anyone that did give me this contact info?


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[meteorite-list] Re: Burnin Desire! [Fwd: Naples Meteorite!]

[magellon]

Kevin,
I figured if  anyone had the "rest of the story", it would be you!
That explains why Harry Horn and the info Babe reported "some persons
had questioned it even being a meteorite"  (looking at each other as to
why would  anyone mess up this great story!!!) Your calling the reporter
and my emailing the news director at least had some effect!
Can't wait to see if they actually report NASA's results!
Kevin, great follow through and  update!
THANKS,
Ken Newton

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Kevin,
Did you see the report by It was on WZVN tv - Naples, Fl.  this
morning and at 6pm. It seems a young man found a red-hot "meteorite" at
the base of a palm tree in Naples. No meteorite was shown, just a burnt
area at the base of a palm. The "meteorite" was magnetic and sent to NASA
for testing. I checked their web site  http://www.abc-7.com/ . It
is not mentioned there as yet. I emailed the news director after seeing
the morning blurb and expressed my doubts that the "meteorite" was genuine. 
I was thanked for my concern and told that  NASA was going to check
it out.   I noticed that he then  spent 11 mins. viewing 
my meteorwrong page.
The evening report included the fact that many persons had phoned in
after the report and some had doubted that it was a real meteorite. He
also include comments from an expert from the Smithsonian Institution that
hot meteorites are extremely rare but possible.
Ron Baalke has not heard of this yet either. If you find out any more
will you  share your info?
Ken Newton - lehigh
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sulfide-slag

[magellon]

Does this sound like the same stuff?
 UNKNOWN
METAL ROCK BURKITTSVILLE DUG NICKEL
Best,
Ken Newton
me
Robert Verish wrote:
I apologize for this Off-Topic subject, but I would
like to take this opportunity to personally thank Troy
Bell, for his efforts in trying to determine the
origin of a particular type of meteor-wrong that is
commonly seen on eBay.  Troy found his first specimen
in the gravel of a parking lot near where he lives in
Texas.  When Troy told me that the gravel was a
typical "slag", I told him to try and find more of
this LBR (Little Black Rock) and to take some samples
of the slag gravel.  He found 2 more "little black
rocks", which he sent to me, along with samples of the
slag gravel.
My examination confirmed that the LBRs and the slag
have a common origin.  In addition, these LBRs are
made from the same material that I have encountered
numerous times from people wanting their "meteorites"
identified.  And I'm sure many on this List have
encountered this, as well.  Lately, a third of the
meteor-wrongs that I have encountered are of this
"sulfide-rich" material.  Although there appears to be
various sources for this material, I have always
contended that this was waste material from an ore
smelting process [slag].  But now, Troy's observant
eye has found the "smoking gun" evidence that confirms
that this material is a slag.
This confirmation also raises the concern that some of
these LBRs could have elevated concentrations of
arsenic and lead.
The following images show a cut surface of this
material.  Because of the above concern, BE ADVISED -
to never DRY cut or grind this material, and to treat
the cuttings and coolant with caution.
Image #1:

The interior "looks like" a natural sulfide mineral
with a highly specular, metallic luster.  But it is
not a metal.  Mostly crystalline with needle-shaped
laths (an atypical crystal habit for sulfides).  The
exterior has a patina.  Having been exposed to the
forces of weathering, and over time, the sulfide-rich
rock has formed a black tarnish.
Image #2:

Close-up of the cut surface. Locally vesicular;
cavities will show cleavage for these synthetic
(man-made) crystals. There are some inclusions of
melted silicates.
As mentioned earlier, this kind of meteor-wrong has
long been seen on eBay, but typically being auctioned
as "Arizona ?? Meteorite"!!
I couldn't find any current "meteorite" auction like
this, but this "mineral" auction looks like the same
kind of material, but without the black tarnish:

Now that it has been identified, my curiosity about
this material has been satisfied, and I will now move
on to the next "mystery rock" (hopefully, it will be a
real meteorite;-).  But in the meanwhile, it may prove
beneficial (since this stuff is so widespread) to have
this "identified" material on a meteor-wrong web page
in order to educate future meteor-wrong sellers.
Bob V.
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