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Very well written! Keeping the results secret will only create doubt in those of us that put in a absentee bid and couldn't visit (I live in Sweden) or watch the broadcast (I fell asleep). This year I had a couple of low bids but didn't win any of them. I've been a absentee bidder for a couple of years now and won some and lost some. A couple of times I've put in an absentee bid higher than the winning bid but didn't win the piece anyhow as Michael made mistakes during the auction. This have happened more than once for me (2007 3 lots, 2009 2 lots). If I ask for a list of realised prices in private, what would keep him from adjusting it according to my bids to keep me in the dark if he made another mistake. Was it a mistake or did he favour one of his friends? I say, publish the prices to keep the doubt and mistrust out of the auction. I don't know if I will make any bids next year. It will probably depend on if the prices is publicised or not. The only reason I see to keep the result secret is to keep the auction as a dealer - dealer event and to keep the prices down. By revealing that you can get a great deal would attract more bidders. At least I would like to know the final prices of the following lots. I also reveal my absentee bids if anyone is interested. Lot 6 ETw 1 Moss 648mg $45 Lot 71 TM 1 Moldavite $65 Lot 76 DP 2 Lovina (ANOM Iron)$40 Lot 77 DP 3 Hvittis (EL6) $90 /Göran John.L.Cabassi wrote: G'Day Michael, List and All I'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to remember that this was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were a lot of comments made. But why are we trying to hide something here? Aren't we trying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the public that view this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers / collectors being corrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need to give those that frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not legit. I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be known, make it be public. That's the only way we're going to move forward from being negative. That's just my thoughts and not anyone else's. But I'm a little concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me, I'm not out to condone anybody, but give it some thought. Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:00 PM To: Richard Montgomery; Met. Darryl Pitt Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction 1) I responded to Darryl off list. 2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST. Michael On 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad Michael, Please do consider not publicly posting the auction results---or if you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making it absolutely clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace and the prices attained reflect the same. The last thing needed is more confusion for the growing legion of new buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to navigate the murky waters of meteorite valuation. Thank you for your consideration. All the best / Darryl On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Finally got everything off - looks like I will survive.barely. Soon to come: Auction results/prices Here are some goodies: HAPPY HUNTING! Michael All specimens may be seen at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html BRENHAM extremely thin sealed in oil in thick plastic. This should never rust. Increadable surface area to Weight. 18.3g huge = $275 SALE = $175- DEPORT, Tx. This specimen is the 11th specimen collected In the Monig Collection ³1K² (1A sold for $6.5K in the auction ($25/g) This 41.37g specimen cost me a considerable amount
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Hello Tucson Auction Enthusiasts, I have no problems with the auction results being publicized, I say go for it. But, like I stated before, it would be good for all involved (especially new collectors) to have the disclaimer that prices realized do NOT particularly reflect retail pricing. Retail pricing is subjective as discussed here so it is a very difficult, if not impossible, job to put together a guide that reflects all levels of pricing. A guide that includes; Web Site 'asking' prices, completed eBay auctions, completed Tucson Auctions, completed BIG Auction Houses, etc. would be a guide that would encompass all levels of 'retail' sales and would be a valuable tool for collectors at ALL levels of experience. In the meantime, I support Michael Blood's auction and will continue to do so! Just my two lunar chips worth! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Michael, First and foremost I would like to apologize if I offended you. I am truly sorry you felt the need to say these things because I meant nothing personal. The fact that people favor certain things in collecting was recently discussed right here on this list and we all know that hammer would be your favorite feature in a meteorite. I like hammers too and people have asked me why we did not collect or even photograph the dead animals at the scene of the Carancas fall. Well, to be honest, my crew never thought of it. I think it may have to do with cultural issues. Our team was mostly Bolivian Catholics. Enough said. Apparently there would have been a market for those dead animal parts but, I guess we missed an opportunity there. I had no idea. As far as *taste* is concerned. I will leave that judgement alone. And finally, I have no problem understanding people's willingness to pay high dollars for Gems from space. What my biggest problem with this concept had only to do with consumer trust. These Gems could never be scientifically verified. Or could they at a reasonable cost? That's all. EBay would be flooded with fake Peridot from space with certificates of Authenticity. which can be printed by anybody. It could say something like; I found this meteorite in Kansas and melted the metal away myself so, I certify these as authentic Gems from space. As I pointed out. there are others that already say this but, in their case it happens to be true. I am sure Keith and Dana are legit but there will be hundreds of posers to follow. In fact it would not surprise me if we begin to see other dead bugs on EBay as well. Again, nothing personal and please accept my apology. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: Carl, I was the lucky winner of the only in tact body of a death caused By meteorite strike. I would have paid MUCH more, had the bidding Warranted it. However, there was only one other bidder and he, Apparently did not value it nearly as highly as did I. He could have Jump bid $200 and I would have been in hot pursuit. (You sound as Though you failed to read the documentation that an entomologist confirmed Recent death as indicated by limb flexibility. But then perhaps you Also saw that as irrelevant...). That body will not be for sale at any price While I live and breath. (Well I might part with it for the balance of My mortgage - but would always pine after it) As for the implication that faceted gems from meteoritic paradot Is NOT worth a great deal, well, once again that is a demonstration Of the differences in value people place on things. As my wife frequently says, There is no accounting for taste. I would add, Anyone who disparages another for his/her taste Is lacking both in understanding and in manors. Thus Spake Zarathustra. Michael On 2/24/11 9:16 AM, Met. Carl Esparza cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Adam, Forgive me but I had to Google this termite sale to believe it. All due respect to you Adam I just think this is great. I was at the auction and I wondered at the time why anyone would pay $70.00 for a dead termite carcass. Now I know. This poor termite probably never saw it coming? RIP. No doubt this was found at the scene but if it was killed by the fall then why is it not squished? Too funny. If somebody would pay for a termite found dead at the scene of a meteorite fall. maybe someone would pay high dollar for Steve's gems from space? Has the whole world gone NUTS? Hey, I once sold a cheap African Rhino horn bracelet for $3K on ebay. I don't know why but two people wanted it at the time. To each his own. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax -- Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig Mark Twain -- 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. Shaquille O'Neal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi List, Sales of dead bugs are hereby suspended until further notice ;) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 2/25/11, cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Michael, First and foremost I would like to apologize if I offended you. I am truly sorry you felt the need to say these things because I meant nothing personal. The fact that people favor certain things in collecting was recently discussed right here on this list and we all know that hammer would be your favorite feature in a meteorite. I like hammers too and people have asked me why we did not collect or even photograph the dead animals at the scene of the Carancas fall. Well, to be honest, my crew never thought of it. I think it may have to do with cultural issues. Our team was mostly Bolivian Catholics. Enough said. Apparently there would have been a market for those dead animal parts but, I guess we missed an opportunity there. I had no idea. As far as *taste* is concerned. I will leave that judgement alone. And finally, I have no problem understanding people's willingness to pay high dollars for Gems from space. What my biggest problem with this concept had only to do with consumer trust. These Gems could never be scientifically verified. Or could they at a reasonable cost? That's all. EBay would be flooded with fake Peridot from space with certificates of Authenticity. which can be printed by anybody. It could say something like; I found this meteorite in Kansas and melted the metal away myself so, I certify these as authentic Gems from space. As I pointed out. there are others that already say this but, in their case it happens to be true. I am sure Keith and Dana are legit but there will be hundreds of posers to follow. In fact it would not surprise me if we begin to see other dead bugs on EBay as well. Again, nothing personal and please accept my apology. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: Carl, I was the lucky winner of the only in tact body of a death caused By meteorite strike. I would have paid MUCH more, had the bidding Warranted it. However, there was only one other bidder and he, Apparently did not value it nearly as highly as did I. He could have Jump bid $200 and I would have been in hot pursuit. (You sound as Though you failed to read the documentation that an entomologist confirmed Recent death as indicated by limb flexibility. But then perhaps you Also saw that as irrelevant...). That body will not be for sale at any price While I live and breath. (Well I might part with it for the balance of My mortgage - but would always pine after it) As for the implication that faceted gems from meteoritic paradot Is NOT worth a great deal, well, once again that is a demonstration Of the differences in value people place on things. As my wife frequently says, There is no accounting for taste. I would add, Anyone who disparages another for his/her taste Is lacking both in understanding and in manors. Thus Spake Zarathustra. Michael On 2/24/11 9:16 AM, Met. Carl Esparza cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Adam, Forgive me but I had to Google this termite sale to believe it. All due respect to you Adam I just think this is great. I was at the auction and I wondered at the time why anyone would pay $70.00 for a dead termite carcass. Now I know. This poor termite probably never saw it coming? RIP. No doubt this was found at the scene but if it was killed by the fall then why is it not squished? Too funny. If somebody would pay for a termite found dead at the scene of a meteorite fall. maybe someone would pay high dollar for Steve's gems from space? Has the whole world gone NUTS? Hey, I once sold a cheap African Rhino horn bracelet for $3K on ebay. I don't know why but two people wanted it at the time. To each his own. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax -- Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig Mark Twain -- 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. Shaquille O'Neal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at
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Goran, I would suggest you never do business with meteorite dealer You think may jerk you around as you suggested I might below. Sincerely, Michael On 2/25/11 6:40 AM, Göran Axelsson axels...@acc.umu.se wrote: Very well written! Keeping the results secret will only create doubt in those of us that put in a absentee bid and couldn't visit (I live in Sweden) or watch the broadcast (I fell asleep). This year I had a couple of low bids but didn't win any of them. I've been a absentee bidder for a couple of years now and won some and lost some. A couple of times I've put in an absentee bid higher than the winning bid but didn't win the piece anyhow as Michael made mistakes during the auction. This have happened more than once for me (2007 3 lots, 2009 2 lots). If I ask for a list of realised prices in private, what would keep him from adjusting it according to my bids to keep me in the dark if he made another mistake. Was it a mistake or did he favour one of his friends? I say, publish the prices to keep the doubt and mistrust out of the auction. I don't know if I will make any bids next year. It will probably depend on if the prices is publicised or not. The only reason I see to keep the result secret is to keep the auction as a dealer - dealer event and to keep the prices down. By revealing that you can get a great deal would attract more bidders. At least I would like to know the final prices of the following lots. I also reveal my absentee bids if anyone is interested. Lot 6 ETw 1 Moss 648mg $45 Lot 71 TM 1 Moldavite $65 Lot 76 DP 2 Lovina (ANOM Iron)$40 Lot 77 DP 3 Hvittis (EL6) $90 /Göran John.L.Cabassi wrote: G'Day Michael, List and All I'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to remember that this was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were a lot of comments made. But why are we trying to hide something here? Aren't we trying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the public that view this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers / collectors being corrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need to give those that frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not legit. I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be known, make it be public. That's the only way we're going to move forward from being negative. That's just my thoughts and not anyone else's. But I'm a little concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me, I'm not out to condone anybody, but give it some thought. Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:00 PM To: Richard Montgomery; Met. Darryl Pitt Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction 1) I responded to Darryl off list. 2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST. Michael On 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad Michael, Please do consider not publicly posting the auction results---or if you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making it absolutely clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace and the prices attained reflect the same. The last thing needed is more confusion for the growing legion of new buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to navigate the murky waters of meteorite valuation. Thank you for your consideration. All the best / Darryl On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Finally got everything off - looks like I will survive.barely. Soon to come: Auction results/prices Here are some goodies: HAPPY HUNTING! Michael All specimens may be seen at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html BRENHAM extremely thin sealed
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Dear Carl, No, please accept my apology. I have been quite ill and am still More than a bit curmudgenly and snapped at you like an old dog. We are all friends here and my snipittyness was unfortunate And regrettable. Best to all, Michael On 2/25/11 9:48 AM, Met. Carl Esparza cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Michael, First and foremost I would like to apologize if I offended you. I am truly sorry you felt the need to say these things because I meant nothing personal. The fact that people favor certain things in collecting was recently discussed right here on this list and we all know that hammer would be your favorite feature in a meteorite. I like hammers too and people have asked me why we did not collect or even photograph the dead animals at the scene of the Carancas fall. Well, to be honest, my crew never thought of it. I think it may have to do with cultural issues. Our team was mostly Bolivian Catholics. Enough said. Apparently there would have been a market for those dead animal parts but, I guess we missed an opportunity there. I had no idea. As far as *taste* is concerned. I will leave that judgement alone. And finally, I have no problem understanding people's willingness to pay high dollars for Gems from space. What my biggest problem with this concept had only to do with consumer trust. These Gems could never be scientifically verified. Or could they at a reasonable cost? That's all. EBay would be flooded with fake Peridot from space with certificates of Authenticity. which can be printed by anybody. It could say something like; I found this meteorite in Kansas and melted the metal away myself so, I certify these as authentic Gems from space. As I pointed out. there are others that already say this but, in their case it happens to be true. I am sure Keith and Dana are legit but there will be hundreds of posers to follow. In fact it would not surprise me if we begin to see other dead bugs on EBay as well. Again, nothing personal and please accept my apology. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: Carl, I was the lucky winner of the only in tact body of a death caused By meteorite strike. I would have paid MUCH more, had the bidding Warranted it. However, there was only one other bidder and he, Apparently did not value it nearly as highly as did I. He could have Jump bid $200 and I would have been in hot pursuit. (You sound as Though you failed to read the documentation that an entomologist confirmed Recent death as indicated by limb flexibility. But then perhaps you Also saw that as irrelevant...). That body will not be for sale at any price While I live and breath. (Well I might part with it for the balance of My mortgage - but would always pine after it) As for the implication that faceted gems from meteoritic paradot Is NOT worth a great deal, well, once again that is a demonstration Of the differences in value people place on things. As my wife frequently says, There is no accounting for taste. I would add, Anyone who disparages another for his/her taste Is lacking both in understanding and in manors. Thus Spake Zarathustra. Michael On 2/24/11 9:16 AM, Met. Carl Esparza cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Adam, Forgive me but I had to Google this termite sale to believe it. All due respect to you Adam I just think this is great. I was at the auction and I wondered at the time why anyone would pay $70.00 for a dead termite carcass. Now I know. This poor termite probably never saw it coming? RIP. No doubt this was found at the scene but if it was killed by the fall then why is it not squished? Too funny. If somebody would pay for a termite found dead at the scene of a meteorite fall. maybe someone would pay high dollar for Steve's gems from space? Has the whole world gone NUTS? Hey, I once sold a cheap African Rhino horn bracelet for $3K on ebay. I don't know why but two people wanted it at the time. To each his own. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax -- Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig Mark Twain -- 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. Shaquille O'Neal -- Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig Mark Twain -- 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. Shaquille O'Neal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Martin, My recollection is that there was a jump bid (a bid higher than the Asked for next increment required to bid) and I did accept it and went Right to the next increment called for at that level. Perhaps there was a bid I missed? Or, perhaps you expected me To then require the next bid to be an increment equal to the jump bid? If the latter, I explained some auctions past that while people were Always welcome to jump bid (usually a technique used to shock and Awe potential competitors) there would not be a following requirement Of equal degree, but would only be whatever the level increment indicates. If the former, and I really did somehow miss a jump bid, I apologize To all concerned. It is not in the interest of anyone to do so. Sincerely, Michael On 2/25/11 12:11 PM, Dark Matter freequa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Michael, Since you brought it up here, He could have Jump bid $200 and I would have been in hot pursuit. I would like to know why the jump bid for the Johnstown individual was not accepted by you during the auction? Thank you. Martin -- Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig Mark Twain -- 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. Shaquille O'Neal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Listers, I guess if the final value prices got posted on the List from the auction, Mr Blood would have done that awhile back ago? But as for the auctions goes, I dont see how the final prices can reflect the meteorite market value, prices go up and down and auction prices cant gauge the real market value of any given meteorite. Also, Jason made a great post about the value of meteorites and what collectors look for in determining value, so I think that is also something good to think about. Thank you Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Greg Catterton star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 00:37:47 EST 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Next message: [meteorite-list] Blood Auction Results [was... ad] Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I have to agree with John 110%. He said about all that needs said. One thing I dont understand is why the auction was considered a wholesale event, I never understood it to be as such - no more then ebay auctions and from what I have read, some prices were just as above market as others were under. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Wed, 2/23/11, John.L.Cabassi John at Cabassi.net wrote: From: John.L.Cabassi John at Cabassi.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction To: 'Michael Blood' mlblood at cox.net, 'Richard Montgomery' rickmont at earthlink.net, 'Met. Darryl Pitt' darryl at dof3.com Cc: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 10:38 PM G'Day Michael, List and All I'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to remember that this was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were a lot of comments made. But why are we trying to hide something here? Aren't we trying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the public that view this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers / collectors being corrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need to give those that frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not legit. I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be known, make it be public. That's the only way we're going to move forward from being negative. That's just my thoughts and not anyone else's. But I'm a little concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me, I'm not out to condone anybody, but give it some thought. Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:00 PM To: Richard Montgomery; Met. Darryl Pitt Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction 1) I responded to Darryl off list. 2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST. Michael On 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomery rickmont at earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt darryl at dof3.com To: Michael Blood mlblood at cox.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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John and Greg do indeed have terrific points. The issue with Mike's Tucson Auction is that the prices attained are, far more often than not, anomalously low. I'm not exactly certain why---but several factors come to mind. To a lesser extent, the same occurred with the Macovich Auctions at Tucson...was it a decade ago? (Wow.) I am all for transparency, but transparency can frequently result in disinformation if there is no context. And to be clear, I did not state this was a wholesale event. I suggested that be stated that the auction occurred at a wholesale marketplace. For me, it's precisely because this is not the same as eBay---this is a traditional auction and its perceived gravitas is far greater---that perhaps we should be more sensitive to the messages being provided. Just a thought. Nonetheless, I totally get the opposing point of view. All best / Darryl On Feb 24, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Greg Catterton wrote: I have to agree with John 110%. He said about all that needs said. One thing I dont understand is why the auction was considered a wholesale event, I never understood it to be as such - no more then ebay auctions and from what I have read, some prices were just as above market as others were under. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Wed, 2/23/11, John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote: From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction To: 'Michael Blood' mlbl...@cox.net, 'Richard Montgomery' rickm...@earthlink.net, 'Met. Darryl Pitt' dar...@dof3.com Cc: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 10:38 PM G'Day Michael, List and All I'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to remember that this was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were a lot of comments made. But why are we trying to hide something here? Aren't we trying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the public that view this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers / collectors being corrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need to give those that frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not legit. I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be known, make it be public. That's the only way we're going to move forward from being negative. That's just my thoughts and not anyone else's. But I'm a little concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me, I'm not out to condone anybody, but give it some thought. Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:00 PM To: Richard Montgomery; Met. Darryl Pitt Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction 1) I responded to Darryl off list. 2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST. Michael On 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad Michael, Please do consider not publicly posting the auction results---or if you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making it absolutely clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace and the prices attained reflect the same. The last thing needed is more confusion for the growing legion of new buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to navigate the murky waters of meteorite valuation. Thank you for your consideration. All the best / Darryl On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Finally got everything off - looks like I will survive.barely. Soon to come: Auction results/prices Here are some goodies: HAPPY HUNTING! Michael All
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Has it ever occurred to anyone that a lot of the people I saw at the auction were major dealers and I would suspect they are NOT going to pay retail prices, even for rare stuff. Stuart McD Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: John and Greg do indeed have terrific points. The issue with Mike's Tucson Auction is that the prices attained are, far more often than not, anomalously low. I'm not exactly certain why---but several factors come to mind. To a lesser extent, the same occurred with the Macovich Auctions at Tucson...was it a decade ago? (Wow.) I am all for transparency, but transparency can frequently result in disinformation if there is no context. And to be clear, I did not state this was a wholesale event. I suggested that be stated that the auction occurred at a wholesale marketplace. For me, it's precisely because this is not the same as eBay---this is a traditional auction and its perceived gravitas is far greater---that perhaps we should be more sensitive to the messages being provided. Just a thought. Nonetheless, I totally get the opposing point of view. All best / Darryl On Feb 24, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Greg Catterton wrote: I have to agree with John 110%. He said about all that needs said. One thing I dont understand is why the auction was considered a wholesale event, I never understood it to be as such - no more then ebay auctions and from what I have read, some prices were just as above market as others were under. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Wed, 2/23/11, John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote: From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction To: 'Michael Blood' mlbl...@cox.net, 'Richard Montgomery' rickm...@earthlink.net, 'Met. Darryl Pitt' dar...@dof3.com Cc: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 10:38 PM G'Day Michael, List and All I'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to remember that this was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were a lot of comments made. But why are we trying to hide something here? Aren't we trying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the public that view this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers / collectors being corrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need to give those that frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not legit. I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be known, make it be public. That's the only way we're going to move forward from being negative. That's just my thoughts and not anyone else's. But I'm a little concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me, I'm not out to condone anybody, but give it some thought. Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:00 PM To: Richard Montgomery; Met. Darryl Pitt Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction 1) I responded to Darryl off list. 2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST. Michael On 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad Michael, Please do consider not publicly posting the auction results---or if you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making it absolutely clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace and the prices attained reflect the same. The last thing needed is more confusion for the growing legion of new buyers who are exasperated
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HI John and List, I would say you are 100 % right, great post! Sonny www.nevadameteorites.com -Original Message- From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net To: 'Michael Blood' mlbl...@cox.net; 'Richard Montgomery' rickm...@earthlink.net; 'Met. Darryl Pitt' dar...@dof3.com Cc: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Feb 23, 2011 2:38 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction G'Day Michael, List and AllI'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to remember thatthis was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were a lot ofcomments made. But why are we trying to hide something here? Aren't wetrying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the public thatview this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers / collectors beingcorrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need to give thosethat frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not legit.I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be known, make itbe public. That's the only way we're going to move forward from beingnegative. That's just my thoughts and not anyone else's. But I'm alittle concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me, I'm not outto condone anybody, but give it some thought.CheersJohnIMCA # 2125-Original Message-From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces @meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf OfMichael BloodSent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:00 PMTo: Richard Montgomery; Met. Darryl PittCc: Meteorite ListSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction1) I responded to Darryl off list.2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST.MichaelOn 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad Michael, Please do consider not publicly posting the auction results---or if you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making it absolutely clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace and the prices attained reflect the same. The last thing needed is more confusion for the growing legion of new buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to navigate the murky waters of meteorite valuation. Thank you for your consideration. All the best / Darryl On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Finally got everything off - looks like I will survive.barely.Soon to come: Auction results/prices Here are some goodies: HAPPY HUNTING! Michael All specimens may be seen at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.htmlBRENHAM extremely thin sealed in oil in thick plastic. This should never rust. Increadable surface area to Weight. 18.3g huge = $275 SALE = $175- DEPORT, Tx. This specimen is the 11th specimen collected In the Monig Collection ³1K² (1A sold for $6.5K in the auction ($25/g) This 41.37g specimen cost me a considerable amount and is available for $600- CAMPO 7.9Kg (This was by far the best specimen in this weight range I saw at the show) and stands nicely on One side and also stands upright = $600- Sale= $500- NWA2737 (Chassignite) Extremely rare 3 sizes: #1 = $35= #2 or #3 = $45, #4 = $60 http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html MILLBILLILLIE thin with exceptional surface area #1 = $35 #2 = $40 #3 = $50 ODESSA Small specimens a little larger than golf balls. These I have not seen in years and only from the person I got them From and I got all he had. (Photo shows both sides of each) 73.5g = $150- 109.6g = $220- 112,5g = $225- 123.1g = $245- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html STANNERN (Eucrite) May 22,1808 Czeck Rep. #1 = SOLD #2 = $50- #3 = $55- LIBYAN DESERT GLASS Huge speciem 752.3g = $1,500- SALE = $850- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html CHANGXING China .259g = SOLD UNIDENTIFIED NWA 2,612.5g Whole Stone. 98%+ Fusion Crusted
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HI John and List, I would say you are 100 % right, great post! Sonny www.nevadameteorites.com -Original Message- From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net To: 'Michael Blood' mlbl...@cox.net; 'Richard Montgomery' rickm...@earthlink.net; 'Met. Darryl Pitt' dar...@dof3.com Cc: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Feb 23, 2011 2:38 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction G'Day Michael, List and AllI'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to remember thatthis was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were a lot ofcomments made. But why are we trying to hide something here? Aren't wetrying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the public thatview this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers / collectors beingcorrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need to give thosethat frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not legit.I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be known, make itbe public. That's the only way we're going to move forward from beingnegative. That's just my thoughts and not anyone else's. But I'm alittle concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me, I'm not outto condone anybody, but give it some thought.CheersJohnIMCA # 2125-Original Message-From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces @meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf OfMichael BloodSent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:00 PMTo: Richard Montgomery; Met. Darryl PittCc: Meteorite ListSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction1) I responded to Darryl off list.2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST.MichaelOn 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad Michael, Please do consider not publicly posting the auction results---or if you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making it absolutely clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace and the prices attained reflect the same. The last thing needed is more confusion for the growing legion of new buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to navigate the murky waters of meteorite valuation. Thank you for your consideration. All the best / Darryl On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Finally got everything off - looks like I will survive.barely.Soon to come: Auction results/prices Here are some goodies: HAPPY HUNTING! Michael All specimens may be seen at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.htmlBRENHAM extremely thin sealed in oil in thick plastic. This should never rust. Increadable surface area to Weight. 18.3g huge = $275 SALE = $175- DEPORT, Tx. This specimen is the 11th specimen collected In the Monig Collection ³1K² (1A sold for $6.5K in the auction ($25/g) This 41.37g specimen cost me a considerable amount and is available for $600- CAMPO 7.9Kg (This was by far the best specimen in this weight range I saw at the show) and stands nicely on One side and also stands upright = $600- Sale= $500- NWA2737 (Chassignite) Extremely rare 3 sizes: #1 = $35= #2 or #3 = $45, #4 = $60 http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html MILLBILLILLIE thin with exceptional surface area #1 = $35 #2 = $40 #3 = $50 ODESSA Small specimens a little larger than golf balls. These I have not seen in years and only from the person I got them From and I got all he had. (Photo shows both sides of each) 73.5g = $150- 109.6g = $220- 112,5g = $225- 123.1g = $245- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html STANNERN (Eucrite) May 22,1808 Czeck Rep. #1 = SOLD #2 = $50- #3 = $55- LIBYAN DESERT GLASS Huge speciem 752.3g = $1,500- SALE = $850- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html CHANGXING China .259g = SOLD UNIDENTIFIED NWA 2,612.5g Whole Stone. 98%+ Fusion Crusted
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Here I go with Dennis' two cents for what it's worth. I have attended all but one of Mr. Blood's auctions over the years and have had a ball! You that have chimed in and have never attended, really should try to make one. It is more than an auction, it's a social event. Most of the time Mike has to stop the chatting between folks, that don't see each other but during Tucson. A lot to get caught up on. Bidding can get comical, worth sometimes has nothing with the price. If someone wants something, then they'll go for it. (A dead termite for $70.00) I about died! You can get deals, you can pay whatever you want. It's just a lot of fun and a party in itself. Plus you get Meteorite Cake! Great folks be rub elbows with! Just my 2 cents, don't ask for change Dennis Miller In Northwest New Mexico To: j...@cabassi.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com From: wahlpe...@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:58:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction HI John and List, I would say you are 100 % right, great post! Sonny www.nevadameteorites.com -Original Message- From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net To: 'Michael Blood' mlbl...@cox.net; 'Richard Montgomery' rickm...@earthlink.net; 'Met. Darryl Pitt' dar...@dof3.com Cc: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Feb 23, 2011 2:38 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction G'Day Michael, List and AllI'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to remember thatthis was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were a lot ofcomments made. But why are we trying to hide something here? Aren't wetrying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the public thatview this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers / collectors beingcorrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need to give thosethat frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not legit.I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be known, make itbe public. That's the only way we're going to move forward from beingnegative. That's just my thoughts and not anyone else's. But I'm alittle concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me, I'm not outto condone anybody, but give it some thought.CheersJohnIMCA # 2125-Original Message-From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces @meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf OfMichael BloodSent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:00 PMTo: Richard Montgomery; Met. Darryl PittCc: Meteorite ListSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction1) I responded to Darryl off list.2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST. MichaelOn 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad Michael, Please do consider not publicly posting the auction results---or if you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making it absolutely clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace and the prices attained reflect the same. The last thing needed is more confusion for the growing legion of new buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to navigate the murky waters of meteorite valuation. Thank you for your consideration. All the best / Darryl On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Finally got everything off - looks like I will survive.barely. Soon to come: Auction results/prices Here are some goodies: HAPPY HUNTING! Michael All specimens may be seen at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.htmlBRENHAM extremely thin sealed in oil in thick plastic. This should never rust. Increadable surface area to Weight. 18.3g huge = $275 SALE = $175- DEPORT, Tx. This specimen is the 11th specimen collected In the Monig Collection ³1K² (1A sold for $6.5K in the auction ($25/g) This 41.37g specimen cost me a considerable amount and is available for $600- CAMPO 7.9Kg (This was by far the best specimen in this weight range I saw at the show
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Daryl, John, Greg and Adam have all made well reasoned points on why, as Daryl said so succintly, the Tucson auction produced sales prices that were ANOMALOUSLY low. The Tucson sale results DID deviate from the norm. They WERE too low and fell out of the averages established by other auctions and private treaty prices. Accepted appraisal for market value calls for the highest and lowest comparibles to be thrown out of the equation. And that is what should be done with these auctions results. Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Sent: Feb 24, 2011 6:08 AM To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Cc: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction John and Greg do indeed have terrific points. The issue with Mike's Tucson Auction is that the prices attained are, far more often than not, anomalously low. I'm not exactly certain why---but several factors come to mind. To a lesser extent, the same occurred with the Macovich Auctions at Tucson...was it a decade ago? (Wow.) I am all for transparency, but transparency can frequently result in disinformation if there is no context. And to be clear, I did not state this was a wholesale event. I suggested that be stated that the auction occurred at a wholesale marketplace. For me, it's precisely because this is not the same as eBay---this is a traditional auction and its perceived gravitas is far greater---that perhaps we should be more sensitive to the messages being provided. Just a thought. Nonetheless, I totally get the opposing point of view. All best / Darryl On Feb 24, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Greg Catterton wrote: I have to agree with John 110%. He said about all that needs said. One thing I dont understand is why the auction was considered a wholesale event, I never understood it to be as such - no more then ebay auctions and from what I have read, some prices were just as above market as others were under. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Wed, 2/23/11, John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote: From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction To: 'Michael Blood' mlbl...@cox.net, 'Richard Montgomery' rickm...@earthlink.net, 'Met. Darryl Pitt' dar...@dof3.com Cc: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 10:38 PM G'Day Michael, List and All I'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to remember that this was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were a lot of comments made. But why are we trying to hide something here? Aren't we trying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the public that view this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers / collectors being corrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need to give those that frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not legit. I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be known, make it be public. That's the only way we're going to move forward from being negative. That's just my thoughts and not anyone else's. But I'm a little concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me, I'm not out to condone anybody, but give it some thought. Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:00 PM To: Richard Montgomery; Met. Darryl Pitt Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction 1) I responded to Darryl off list. 2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST. Michael On 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday
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Somebody got a deal on that termite as it was nearly in pristine shape. The last one that was partially disarticulated with starboard wing damage sold for nearly $500.00 on eBay. There are only two complete carcasses in existence with a few left over appendages. I imagine these will be placed in a museum someday. Like I said before, most items only realized a fraction of what they would have on eBay while a very few items went for more. I think there are too many distractions for items to be bid up to near their potential. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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What is the NORM??? Ebay? Personal websites? Yes some items in Blood's auction sell for less than desired prices, but some get more than what they go for on ebay or personal sites. I think the big auctions are anomalously HIGH for items. But what you and I perceive as high or low is irrelevant. Count, how do you know what all of the private sale prices are? If I told you what I sell items for to personal collector friends, it would make you cry (probably quite low since my overhead is low). The market is the MARKET, folks. I think coming up with meteorite price lists is a joke. They don't account for all the sales that are dealer-dealer, dealer-collector, collector-collector, ebay, etc. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:21:11 -0800 (GMT-08:00) To: Darryl Pittdar...@dof3.com; Greg Cattertonstar_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Reply-To: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net Cc: 'Meteorite List'meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; John.L.Cabassij...@cabassi.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Daryl, John, Greg and Adam have all made well reasoned points on why, as Daryl said so succintly, the Tucson auction produced sales prices that were ANOMALOUSLY low. The Tucson sale results DID deviate from the norm. They WERE too low and fell out of the averages established by other auctions and private treaty prices. Accepted appraisal for market value calls for the highest and lowest comparibles to be thrown out of the equation. And that is what should be done with these auctions results. Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Sent: Feb 24, 2011 6:08 AM To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Cc: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction John and Greg do indeed have terrific points. The issue with Mike's Tucson Auction is that the prices attained are, far more often than not, anomalously low. I'm not exactly certain why---but several factors come to mind. To a lesser extent, the same occurred with the Macovich Auctions at Tucson...was it a decade ago? (Wow.) I am all for transparency, but transparency can frequently result in disinformation if there is no context. And to be clear, I did not state this was a wholesale event. I suggested that be stated that the auction occurred at a wholesale marketplace. For me, it's precisely because this is not the same as eBay---this is a traditional auction and its perceived gravitas is far greater---that perhaps we should be more sensitive to the messages being provided. Just a thought. Nonetheless, I totally get the opposing point of view. All best / Darryl On Feb 24, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Greg Catterton wrote: I have to agree with John 110%. He said about all that needs said. One thing I dont understand is why the auction was considered a wholesale event, I never understood it to be as such - no more then ebay auctions and from what I have read, some prices were just as above market as others were under. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Wed, 2/23/11, John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote: From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction To: 'Michael Blood' mlbl...@cox.net, 'Richard Montgomery' rickm...@earthlink.net, 'Met. Darryl Pitt' dar...@dof3.com Cc: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 10:38 PM G'Day Michael, List and All I'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to remember that this was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were a lot of comments made. But why are we trying to hide something here? Aren't we trying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the public that view this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers / collectors being corrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need to give those that frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not legit. I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be known, make it be public. That's the only way we're going to move forward from being negative. That's just my thoughts and not anyone else's. But I'm a little concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me, I'm not out to condone anybody, but give it some thought. Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
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Hello All, I would have to agree with Matt regarding price lists. There are far too many variables to establish a list that accurately 'prices' meteorites. Earlier discussions relating to what people rate as highest-lowest factors in value of meteorites comes into play. As many have stated, the 'market' is pretty much what people are willing to pay. As for any of the Show auctions like Tucson or Denver, I always consider anything I enter as a give back to collectors as most sell below amounts realized during the rest of the year. Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 -Original Message- From: m...@mhmeteorites.com Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 11:55 AM To: Count Deiro ; Darryl Pitt ; Greg Catterton Cc: 'Meteorite List' ; John.L.Cabassi Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction What is the NORM??? Ebay? Personal websites? Yes some items in Blood's auction sell for less than desired prices, but some get more than what they go for on ebay or personal sites. I think the big auctions are anomalously HIGH for items. But what you and I perceive as high or low is irrelevant. Count, how do you know what all of the private sale prices are? If I told you what I sell items for to personal collector friends, it would make you cry (probably quite low since my overhead is low). The market is the MARKET, folks. I think coming up with meteorite price lists is a joke. They don't account for all the sales that are dealer-dealer, dealer-collector, collector-collector, ebay, etc. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:21:11 -0800 (GMT-08:00) To: Darryl Pittdar...@dof3.com; Greg Cattertonstar_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Reply-To: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net Cc: 'Meteorite List'meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; John.L.Cabassij...@cabassi.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Daryl, John, Greg and Adam have all made well reasoned points on why, as Daryl said so succintly, the Tucson auction produced sales prices that were ANOMALOUSLY low. The Tucson sale results DID deviate from the norm. They WERE too low and fell out of the averages established by other auctions and private treaty prices. Accepted appraisal for market value calls for the highest and lowest comparibles to be thrown out of the equation. And that is what should be done with these auctions results. Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Sent: Feb 24, 2011 6:08 AM To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Cc: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction John and Greg do indeed have terrific points. The issue with Mike's Tucson Auction is that the prices attained are, far more often than not, anomalously low. I'm not exactly certain why---but several factors come to mind. To a lesser extent, the same occurred with the Macovich Auctions at Tucson...was it a decade ago? (Wow.) I am all for transparency, but transparency can frequently result in disinformation if there is no context. And to be clear, I did not state this was a wholesale event. I suggested that be stated that the auction occurred at a wholesale marketplace. For me, it's precisely because this is not the same as eBay---this is a traditional auction and its perceived gravitas is far greater---that perhaps we should be more sensitive to the messages being provided. Just a thought. Nonetheless, I totally get the opposing point of view. All best / Darryl On Feb 24, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Greg Catterton wrote: I have to agree with John 110%. He said about all that needs said. One thing I dont understand is why the auction was considered a wholesale event, I never understood it to be as such - no more then ebay auctions and from what I have read, some prices were just as above market as others were under. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Wed, 2/23/11, John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote: From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction To: 'Michael Blood' mlbl...@cox.net, 'Richard Montgomery' rickm...@earthlink.net, 'Met. Darryl Pitt' dar...@dof3.com Cc: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 10:38 PM G'Day Michael, List and All I'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to remember that this was a live auction, many people viewed
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Adam, Forgive me but I had to Google this termite sale to believe it. All due respect to you Adam I just think this is great. I was at the auction and I wondered at the time why anyone would pay $70.00 for a dead termite carcass. Now I know. This poor termite probably never saw it coming? RIP. No doubt this was found at the scene but if it was killed by the fall then why is it not squished? Too funny. If somebody would pay for a termite found dead at the scene of a meteorite fall. maybe someone would pay high dollar for Steve's gems from space? Has the whole world gone NUTS? Hey, I once sold a cheap African Rhino horn bracelet for $3K on ebay. I don't know why but two people wanted it at the time. To each his own. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Somebody got a deal on that termite as it was nearly in pristine shape. The last one that was partially disarticulated with starboard wing damage sold for nearly $500.00 on eBay. There are only two complete carcasses in existence with a few left over appendages. I imagine these will be placed in a museum someday. Like I said before, most items only realized a fraction of what they would have on eBay while a very few items went for more. I think there are too many distractions for items to be bid up to near their potential. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Termites are pretty fragile and only keep their wings for a short period of time. A wing flexible test indicated that the time of death had to be near the time of impact. A few weeks worth of drying out and the wings would have fallen off. They were swept up with the rest of the debris at the scene. Maybe they were buried alive under the rest of the debris. There is no doubt in my mind the the meteorite impact caused their demise. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 9:16:35 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Adam, Forgive me but I had to Google this termite sale to believe it. All due respect to you Adam I just think this is great. I was at the auction and I wondered at the time why anyone would pay $70.00 for a dead termite carcass. Now I know. This poor termite probably never saw it coming? RIP. No doubt this was found at the scene but if it was killed by the fall then why is it not squished? Too funny. If somebody would pay for a termite found dead at the scene of a meteorite fall. maybe someone would pay high dollar for Steve's gems from space? Has the whole world gone NUTS? Hey, I once sold a cheap African Rhino horn bracelet for $3K on ebay. I don't know why but two people wanted it at the time. To each his own. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Somebody got a deal on that termite as it was nearly in pristine shape. The last one that was partially disarticulated with starboard wing damage sold for nearly $500.00 on eBay. There are only two complete carcasses in existence with a few left over appendages. I imagine these will be placed in a museum someday. Like I said before, most items only realized a fraction of what they would have on eBay while a very few items went for more. I think there are too many distractions for items to be bid up to near their potential. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Carl I would have to agree with you about the termite. How could one prove that the termite died from the meteorite fall? Maybe the termite was so excited about the meteorite landing by it, it died from shock. I am not sure what I would do if a meteorite landed right by me, but I hope I wouldnt die from shock cause of excitement of a meteorite landing by me. But I guess if I did die, the value would go up and if it some how came in contact with me, the price would be through the roof, or if it was a lunar meteorite :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html [meteorite-list] Tucson Auctioncdtucson at cox.net cdtucson at cox.net Thu Feb 24 12:16:35 EST 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Next message: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Adam, Forgive me but I had to Google this termite sale to believe it. All due respect to you Adam I just think this is great. I was at the auction and I wondered at the time why anyone would pay $70.00 for a dead termite carcass. Now I know. This poor termite probably never saw it coming? RIP. No doubt this was found at the scene but if it was killed by the fall then why is it not squished? Too funny. If somebody would pay for a termite found dead at the scene of a meteorite fall. maybe someone would pay high dollar for Steve's gems from space? Has the whole world gone NUTS? Hey, I once sold a cheap African Rhino horn bracelet for $3K on ebay. I don't know why but two people wanted it at the time. To each his own. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Adam Hupe raremeteorites at yahoo.com wrote: Somebody got a deal on that termite as it was nearly in pristine shape. The last one that was partially disarticulated with starboard wing damage sold for nearly $500.00 on eBay. There are only two complete carcasses in existence with a few left over appendages. I imagine these will be placed in a museum someday. Like I said before, most items only realized a fraction of what they would have on eBay while a very few items went for more. I think there are too many distractions for items to be bid up to near their potential. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Previous message: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Next message: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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If one hit you directly Shawn I guess we would have to have you taxidermied because you know you would now be worth $2 or $300,000!! :-) Stuart McD Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Carl I would have to agree with you about the termite. How could one prove that the termite died from the meteorite fall? Maybe the termite was so excited about the meteorite landing by it, it died from shock. I am not sure what I would do if a meteorite landed right by me, but I hope I wouldnt die from shock cause of excitement of a meteorite landing by me. But I guess if I did die, the value would go up and if it some how came in contact with me, the price would be through the roof, or if it was a lunar meteorite :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html [meteorite-list] Tucson Auctioncdtucson at cox.net cdtucson at cox.net Thu Feb 24 12:16:35 EST 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Next message: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Adam, Forgive me but I had to Google this termite sale to believe it. All due respect to you Adam I just think this is great. I was at the auction and I wondered at the time why anyone would pay $70.00 for a dead termite carcass. Now I know. This poor termite probably never saw it coming? RIP. No doubt this was found at the scene but if it was killed by the fall then why is it not squished? Too funny. If somebody would pay for a termite found dead at the scene of a meteorite fall. maybe someone would pay high dollar for Steve's gems from space? Has the whole world gone NUTS? Hey, I once sold a cheap African Rhino horn bracelet for $3K on ebay. I don't know why but two people wanted it at the time. To each his own. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Adam Hupe raremeteorites at yahoo.com wrote: Somebody got a deal on that termite as it was nearly in pristine shape. The last one that was partially disarticulated with starboard wing damage sold for nearly $500.00 on eBay. There are only two complete carcasses in existence with a few left over appendages. I imagine these will be placed in a museum someday. Like I said before, most items only realized a fraction of what they would have on eBay while a very few items went for more. I think there are too many distractions for items to be bid up to near their potential. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Previous message: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Next message: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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LOL I hope I would sell for the latter $300,000 :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html --- On Thu, 2/24/11, actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com wrote: From: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction To: cdtuc...@cox.net, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 11:43 AM If one hit you directly Shawn I guess we would have to have you taxidermied because you know you would now be worth $2 or $300,000!! :-) Stuart McD Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Carl I would have to agree with you about the termite. How could one prove that the termite died from the meteorite fall? Maybe the termite was so excited about the meteorite landing by it, it died from shock. I am not sure what I would do if a meteorite landed right by me, but I hope I wouldnt die from shock cause of excitement of a meteorite landing by me. But I guess if I did die, the value would go up and if it some how came in contact with me, the price would be through the roof, or if it was a lunar meteorite :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html [meteorite-list] Tucson Auctioncdtucson at cox.net cdtucson at cox.net Thu Feb 24 12:16:35 EST 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Next message: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Adam, Forgive me but I had to Google this termite sale to believe it. All due respect to you Adam I just think this is great. I was at the auction and I wondered at the time why anyone would pay $70.00 for a dead termite carcass. Now I know. This poor termite probably never saw it coming? RIP. No doubt this was found at the scene but if it was killed by the fall then why is it not squished? Too funny. If somebody would pay for a termite found dead at the scene of a meteorite fall. maybe someone would pay high dollar for Steve's gems from space? Has the whole world gone NUTS? Hey, I once sold a cheap African Rhino horn bracelet for $3K on ebay. I don't know why but two people wanted it at the time. To each his own. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Adam Hupe raremeteorites at yahoo.com wrote: Somebody got a deal on that termite as it was nearly in pristine shape. The last one that was partially disarticulated with starboard wing damage sold for nearly $500.00 on eBay. There are only two complete carcasses in existence with a few left over appendages. I imagine these will be placed in a museum someday. Like I said before, most items only realized a fraction of what they would have on eBay while a very few items went for more. I think there are too many distractions for items to be bid up to near their potential. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Previous message: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Next message: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dennis Miller wrote: It is more than an auction, it's a social event. Most of the time Mike has to stop the chatting between folks, that don't see each other but during Tucson. A lot to get caught up on. Bidding can get comical, worth sometimes has nothing with the price. If someone wants something, then they'll go for it. (A dead termite for $70.00) I about died! You can get deals, you can pay whatever you want. It's just a lot of fun and a party in itself. Plus you get Meteorite Cake! Great folks be rub elbows with! Dear Dennis and List: Yours is the best post I've seen on this topic, and you hit the nail right on the head, thank you. I've had the pleasure of attending every one of Michael Blood's Tucson auctions, and I thought this year's was easily the best: Great lots (many of them with no reserve), enthusiastic bidders, excellent auction staff, a full house, and lots of fun all around. Michael's auction is not a Christie's auction. It is a lively and informal social event where we reconnect with friends, and there are always some bargains and always some surprises. I was running two selling venues at the gem show this year, and the auction was one of my few opportunities to get out and see the gang so it was especially enjoyable for me. Add to that Michael's unique character -- certainly one of the most colorful and popular guys in meteorites -- and you have a winning combination all around. I bid higher than I normally would have on a couple of lots, just because it was fun and I was in the mood. I was delighted with my acquisitions, and I was delighted by the hammer prices of the two lots that Steve and I entered. I wouldn't miss Michael's auction for anything. See you next year. Cheers, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Thanks, Dennis, And we ALL have Twink to thank for her Gold Basin Cake... Thanks, Twink! Michael On 2/24/11 8:02 AM, Dennis Miller astror...@hotmail.com wrote: Here I go with Dennis' two cents for what it's worth. I have attended all but one of Mr. Blood's auctions over the years and have had a ball! You that have chimed in and have never attended, really should try to make one. It is more than an auction, it's a social event. Most of the time Mike has to stop the chatting between folks, that don't see each other but during Tucson. A lot to get caught up on. Bidding can get comical, worth sometimes has nothing with the price. If someone wants something, then they'll go for it. (A dead termite for $70.00) I about died! You can get deals, you can pay whatever you want. It's just a lot of fun and a party in itself. Plus you get Meteorite Cake! Great folks be rub elbows with! Just my 2 cents, don't ask for change Dennis Miller In Northwest New Mexico To: j...@cabassi.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com From: wahlpe...@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:58:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction HI John and List, I would say you are 100 % right, great post! Sonny www.nevadameteorites.com -Original Message- From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net To: 'Michael Blood' mlbl...@cox.net; 'Richard Montgomery' rickm...@earthlink.net; 'Met. Darryl Pitt' dar...@dof3.com Cc: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Feb 23, 2011 2:38 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction G'Day Michael, List and AllI'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to remember thatthis was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were a lot ofcomments made. But why are we trying to hide something here? Aren't wetrying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the public thatview this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers / collectors beingcorrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need to give thosethat frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not legit.I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be known, make itbe public. That's the only way we're going to move forward from beingnegative. That's just my thoughts and not anyone else's. But I'm alittle concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me, I'm not outto condone anybody, but give it some thought.CheersJohnIMCA # 2125-Original Message-From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces @meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf OfMichael BloodSent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:00 PMTo: Richard Montgomery; Met. Darryl PittCc: Meteorite ListSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction1) I responded to Darryl off list.2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST. MichaelOn 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad Michael, Please do consider not publicly posting the auction results---or if you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making it absolutely clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace and the prices attained reflect the same. The last thing needed is more confusion for the growing legion of new buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to navigate the murky waters of meteorite valuation. Thank you for your consideration. All the best / Darryl On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Finally got everything off - looks like I will survive.barely. Soon to come: Auction results/prices Here are some goodies: HAPPY HUNTING! Michael All specimens may be seen at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.htmlBRENHAM extremely thin sealed in oil in thick plastic. This should never rust. Increadable surface area to Weight. 18.3g huge = $275 SALE = $175- DEPORT, Tx. This specimen is the 11th specimen collected In the Monig Collection ³1K² (1A sold for $6.5K in the auction ($25/g) This 41.37g specimen cost me
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Carl, I was the lucky winner of the only in tact body of a death caused By meteorite strike. I would have paid MUCH more, had the bidding Warranted it. However, there was only one other bidder and he, Apparently did not value it nearly as highly as did I. He could have Jump bid $200 and I would have been in hot pursuit. (You sound as Though you failed to read the documentation that an entomologist confirmed Recent death as indicated by limb flexibility. But then perhaps you Also saw that as irrelevant...). That body will not be for sale at any price While I live and breath. (Well I might part with it for the balance of My mortgage - but would always pine after it) As for the implication that faceted gems from meteoritic paradot Is NOT worth a great deal, well, once again that is a demonstration Of the differences in value people place on things. As my wife frequently says, There is no accounting for taste. I would add, Anyone who disparages another for his/her taste Is lacking both in understanding and in manors. Thus Spake Zarathustra. Michael On 2/24/11 9:16 AM, Met. Carl Esparza cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Adam, Forgive me but I had to Google this termite sale to believe it. All due respect to you Adam I just think this is great. I was at the auction and I wondered at the time why anyone would pay $70.00 for a dead termite carcass. Now I know. This poor termite probably never saw it coming? RIP. No doubt this was found at the scene but if it was killed by the fall then why is it not squished? Too funny. If somebody would pay for a termite found dead at the scene of a meteorite fall. maybe someone would pay high dollar for Steve's gems from space? Has the whole world gone NUTS? Hey, I once sold a cheap African Rhino horn bracelet for $3K on ebay. I don't know why but two people wanted it at the time. To each his own. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax -- Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig Mark Twain -- 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. Shaquille O'Neal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Kevin and list: Kevin, while I appreciate what you are doing and applaud you for putting together a detailed and extensive list, I will just say that I think any price guides in any field are problematic. All collectibles are worth only what one is willing to pay. Coinage may be a different situation since there is underlying value in the metal commodity and there are fairly accurate mintage numbers. A good example are home values. An owner can ask 500k for their home but only realize 300k in today's market. Zillow.com is a great example of how a price guide should work; they show the recently sold price not asking prices (as you do in your guide). If one were to use asking prices the housing market would be artificially higher than what is realized in the market. I also think that price guides give collectors a false sense of hope when it comes to selling their collections. For example, a dealer should be paying them $10/g for Estherville (according to a price from your list) when in fact I wouldn't pay more than $6/g, which is perceived as ripping the collector off. This creates a feeling of animosity for the collector and may result in them not collecting any longer. With meteorites or any other collectible for that matter, a dealer (or any person with the item) can ask whatever he or she wishes to ask. The consumer is best served by doing their own market analysis. As you pointed out there are dozens of different reasons for assigning a value to a meteorite, many of which are subjective (appearance, freshness, orientation, etc.). Even the TKW is misleading if one uses the MetBull as the standard for that. Who says that Allende is worth 10/g? The consumer does. Not Kevin, not Matt, not Capn Blood. So while price guides may seem like a good idea and may be perceived as educational, I think they offer little to no value in the collectible marketplace. I could go on, but my fingers are tired from the Blackberry keyboard! Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Kevin Kichinka mars...@gmail.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:45:55 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction #1 Hola from Costa Rica to Team Meteorite. That's my impression of how the folks on this bulletin board have come together over the last couple of years to become a self-policing body of collectors, dealers, hunters and researchers. The discourse here is now civil, informative, personal, supportive and energetic. I take my daily dose of world met events by way of the list archives and enjoy reading your comments covering the personalities, business, sales offers and breaking news of world falls. Just excellent! I'm glad I stuck around. These days, I'm interested in reading about your hunting adventures, seeing your photos, and learning more about the mets that interest me. And because I write about meteorites from time to time, I do want to know your opinions about this hobby, as per my request this week for views on your collection habits to help me respond to a magazine feature to be written by someone else. I was pleased that team member Richard Montgomery asked me to share my thoughts about the publication on the m-list of the results of the Blood auction in Tucson this month. I think this is important, too. I also have comments on two other current topics, the usefulness of a meteorite price list and about transparency in this hobby. In my recently released 2011 Global Meteorite Price Report I state: I hope to continue to educate and inform collectors and dealers while encouraging market transparency. We all want to acquire fine specimens at a fair price. The price list I compile is based on prices dealers are asking, i.e. retail. Later I add, I do not do not collect data from auctions, eBay or from sources that represent circumstantial, limited or privileged exchanges. Respected dealer Matt Morgan wrote today, ... coming up with meteorite price lists is a joke. They don't account for all the sales that are dealer-dealer, dealer-collector, collector-collector, ebay, etc. Price lists for stamps and coins don't report dealer-dealer, collector-collector, ebay... but are surely considered a tool of the trade. The real problem with coming up with average dealer ask prices for mets is in determining the value of the same specie that are sold in slices, fragments, as individuals, with crust, with regs This is not easy, it is subjective, and when someone comes up with a better way, I will step aside. Because I set up a methodology years ago before eBay or the Blood auction, the results and trends of my work are consistent. And yes, the results of these other classes of sales is relevant. The more data collected leads one to make better purchasing/selling decisions. But one has to
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Yes thank you to everyone who made the evening fun including all of the attendees! Twink - Original Message - From: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 4:31 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Michael Blood kindly wrote: And we ALL have Twink to thank for her Gold Basin Cake...Thanks, Twink! I do second that statement whole-heartedly!!! and, Michael, it was a blast seeing you and all those folks live and alive ;-) Thanks once again to Ruben and his co-workers for making it come alive!!! Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Besides, the auction was broadcast on the net for all the world to see. Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to agree with John 110%. He said about all that needs said. One thing I dont understand is why the auction was considered a wholesale event, I never understood it to be as such - no more then ebay auctions and from what I have read, some prices were just as above market as others were under. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Wed, 2/23/11, John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote: From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction To: 'Michael Blood' mlbl...@cox.net, 'Richard Montgomery' rickm...@earthlink.net, 'Met. Darryl Pitt' dar...@dof3.com Cc: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 10:38 PM G'Day Michael, List and All I'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to remember that this was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were a lot of comments made. But why are we trying to hide something here? Aren't we trying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the public that view this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers / collectors being corrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need to give those that frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not legit. I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be known, make it be public. That's the only way we're going to move forward from being negative. That's just my thoughts and not anyone else's. But I'm a little concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me, I'm not out to condone anybody, but give it some thought. Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:00 PM To: Richard Montgomery; Met. Darryl Pitt Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction 1) I responded to Darryl off list. 2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST. Michael On 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad Michael, Please do consider not publicly posting the auction results---or if you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making it absolutely clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace and the prices attained reflect the same. The last thing needed is more confusion for the growing legion of new buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to navigate the murky waters of meteorite valuation. Thank you for your consideration. All the best / Darryl On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Finally got everything off - looks like I will survive.barely. Soon to come: Auction results/prices Here are some goodies: HAPPY HUNTING! Michael All specimens may be seen at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html BRENHAM extremely thin sealed in oil in thick plastic. This should never rust. Increadable surface area to Weight. 18.3g huge = $275 SALE = $175- DEPORT, Tx. This specimen is the 11th specimen collected In the Monig Collection ³1K² (1A sold for $6.5K in the auction ($25/g) This 41.37g specimen cost me a considerable amount and is available for $600- CAMPO 7.9Kg (This was by far the best specimen in this weight range I saw at the show) and stands nicely on One side
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Hi, Thanks for the props, Kevin, but the story of your Zagami acquisition was...a touch too colorful. With only one exception, I was the consignor of every meteorite in the first three Phillips Auctions---including the Zagami specimen which you've described as being consigned by Bob Haag. I suppose my taking pride in having introduced meteorites in the traditional auction environment is part of my problem---I'm probably oversensitive as it regards this topic. Actually---strike the probably ;-) But I would like to take a moment to share a few of the things I've learned in my years of doing this. Cribbing from a private email I sent to a fellow list member earlier today The nature of Michael's auctions skew to lower results. Why? First, there is no constraint on the number of lots...and there are too many similar lots to create a more competitive auction environmentthere is no strategic sequencing of lots, the quality of the imaging of the specimens is uneven...and I could go on. The bottom line is that when I've assembled the meteorite sections at various auction houses, I was concerned about such issues---and it's of benefit to buyers/collectors that Michael chooses not to be. As Geoff described earlier, Michael's auctions have their own special vibetheir own flavor...and that's what makes them unique (and as a supportive member of the meteorite community, I will continue to consign to Michael's auctions). At the same time I believe that information---to be useful and valid---benefits greatly from context to help clarify messages asinformation or misinformation. In this instance, even if we completely forget the aforementioned deviations from the auctioneering norm, Michael's auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace loaded with similar merchandise---and so of course the results will necessarily be skewed. To my mind the issue then becomes, is this information worth sharing or clarifying? Simultaneously, I totally hear the criticism of appearing to advocate the withholding of information---and I'm troubled by that perception. For me this kind of evokes the debate whether WikiLeaks should publish all the memos---but as there are no sensitive diplomatic issues before us, I'm now convinced... post the results. ;-) On Feb 24, 2011, at 5:46 PM, Kevin Kichinka wrote: Team Meteorite: Here's my take on the future vibes from Michael's posting of sales prices from his annual Tucson auction. First, is there a non-dealer among us who prefers these results remain secret? I didn't think so. Second, were the prices realized uniformly HIGHER than expected, would dealers not trumpet these as comparisons? Would dealer's not consequently raise their prices? Of course not :) Case in point. The first meteorite I ever purchased was Zagami in 1995. I followed the Philip's Auction, one of the first ever, and it sold for $500/gm. I called the consignor, a guy named Robert Haag, and asked if he had more for sale. Did you see what it just sold for at the auction? Dude, $500/gm! I'm rich! And you are the last person I will ever sell it to for my old price. My good friend Darryl, a meteorite dealer along with many other fine talents, today voiced concerned with the impact of posting some low realized prices at the Blood auction: The last thing needed is more confusion for the growing legion of new buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to navigate the murky waters of meteorite valuation. He added, I am all for transparency, but transparency can frequently result in disinformation if there is no context. And to be clear, I did not state this (Blood auction) was a wholesale event. I suggested that (it) be stated that the auction occurred at a wholesale marketplace. I would define the Blood auction as an auction just like all auctions, with final prices realized being wholesale, retail and in between. But there is some history to consider in this issue, let's examine the entire context of meteorite auctions. No one rushed to publish disclaimers, as Darryl suggests is desirable now, associated with the auction prices back in the 1990's, when dealers found a willing and able public wanting to own - for the first time- rare meteorites at seemingly high prices at NY auctions. The prices for many specimens were so remarkably high they appeared in newspapers all over the world. No one consigning or profiting from mets in those first Natural History auctions voiced concern about the public being confused by the context of the setting. The context was this, prior to the Philips Natural History auctions, the market for meteorites was skinnier then a thin section, and these auctions opened established dealers to an extremely windfallish worldwide clientele of generous, happily naive bidders. Darryl can be proud of his work with that auction house in making it all happen. Philips was
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Michael offered the info to anyone that requests it privately which is fair enough. Consignors wishes supercede those of the general public and if they would prefer he limit the dissemination of auction results, that's the way it should be. No consignors no auction, very simple. Bill Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:00:09 -0800 From: mlbl...@cox.net To: rickm...@earthlink.net; dar...@dof3.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction 1) I responded to Darryl off list. 2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST. Michael On 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad Michael, Please do consider not publicly posting the auction results---or if you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making it absolutely clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace and the prices attained reflect the same. The last thing needed is more confusion for the growing legion of new buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to navigate the murky waters of meteorite valuation. Thank you for your consideration. All the best / Darryl On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Finally got everything off - looks like I will survive.barely. Soon to come: Auction results/prices Here are some goodies: HAPPY HUNTING! Michael All specimens may be seen at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html BRENHAM extremely thin sealed in oil in thick plastic. This should never rust. Increadable surface area to Weight. 18.3g huge = $275 SALE = $175- DEPORT, Tx. This specimen is the 11th specimen collected In the Monig Collection ³1K² (1A sold for $6.5K in the auction ($25/g) This 41.37g specimen cost me a considerable amount and is available for $600- CAMPO 7.9Kg (This was by far the best specimen in this weight range I saw at the show) and stands nicely on One side and also stands upright = $600- Sale= $500- NWA2737 (Chassignite) Extremely rare 3 sizes: #1 = $35= #2 or #3 = $45, #4 = $60 http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html MILLBILLILLIE thin with exceptional surface area #1 = $35 #2 = $40 #3 = $50 ODESSA Small specimens a little larger than golf balls. These I have not seen in years and only from the person I got them From and I got all he had. (Photo shows both sides of each) 73.5g = $150- 109.6g = $220- 112,5g = $225- 123.1g = $245- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html STANNERN (Eucrite) May 22,1808 Czeck Rep. #1 = SOLD #2 = $50- #3 = $55- LIBYAN DESERT GLASS Huge speciem 752.3g = $1,500- SALE = $850- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html CHANGXING China .259g = SOLD UNIDENTIFIED NWA 2,612.5g Whole Stone. 98%+ Fusion Crusted = 40c/g = $1,045 SALE = under 29c/g = $750 HENBURY Nice, small specimens with character = $3/g sale = under $2.25/g 38.2g = $114- SALE = $85- 67.4g = $202- SALE = $150- 70.8g = $222- SALE = $159- TATAHUINE Superb specimen = $65- SALE $50- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html NWA 6355 Lunar Full Slice 14.68g See full description of this full slice at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/NWA6355_14_68g 14.68g = $700/g (here and elsewhere) = $10,275- SALE PRICE: under $550/g = $8,000- S-A 133.6g = $400- SALE = $275- CHICXULUB Micro-Tektites from Haiti in Riker Display = $40- SALE = $30- MUONIONALUSTA 152g Supurb Etched Full Slice = $1,520- SALE = $750- See all specimens at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html -- Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig Mark Twain -- 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. Shaquille O'Neal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list
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1) I responded to Darryl off list. 2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST. Michael On 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad Michael, Please do consider not publicly posting the auction results---or if you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making it absolutely clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace and the prices attained reflect the same. The last thing needed is more confusion for the growing legion of new buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to navigate the murky waters of meteorite valuation. Thank you for your consideration. All the best / Darryl On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Finally got everything off - looks like I will survive.barely. Soon to come: Auction results/prices Here are some goodies: HAPPY HUNTING! Michael All specimens may be seen at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html BRENHAM extremely thin sealed in oil in thick plastic. This should never rust. Increadable surface area to Weight. 18.3g huge = $275 SALE = $175- DEPORT, Tx. This specimen is the 11th specimen collected In the Monig Collection ³1K² (1A sold for $6.5K in the auction ($25/g) This 41.37g specimen cost me a considerable amount and is available for $600- CAMPO 7.9Kg (This was by far the best specimen in this weight range I saw at the show) and stands nicely on One side and also stands upright = $600- Sale= $500- NWA2737 (Chassignite) Extremely rare 3 sizes: #1 = $35= #2 or #3 = $45, #4 = $60 http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html MILLBILLILLIE thin with exceptional surface area #1 = $35 #2 = $40 #3 = $50 ODESSA Small specimens a little larger than golf balls. These I have not seen in years and only from the person I got them From and I got all he had. (Photo shows both sides of each) 73.5g = $150- 109.6g = $220- 112,5g = $225- 123.1g = $245- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html STANNERN (Eucrite) May 22,1808 Czeck Rep. #1 = SOLD #2 = $50- #3 = $55- LIBYAN DESERT GLASS Huge speciem 752.3g = $1,500- SALE = $850- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html CHANGXING China .259g = SOLD UNIDENTIFIED NWA 2,612.5g Whole Stone. 98%+ Fusion Crusted = 40c/g = $1,045 SALE = under 29c/g = $750 HENBURY Nice, small specimens with character = $3/g sale = under $2.25/g 38.2g = $114- SALE = $85- 67.4g = $202- SALE = $150- 70.8g = $222- SALE = $159- TATAHUINE Superb specimen = $65- SALE $50- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html NWA 6355 Lunar Full Slice 14.68g See full description of this full slice at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/NWA6355_14_68g 14.68g = $700/g (here and elsewhere) = $10,275- SALE PRICE: under $550/g = $8,000- S-A 133.6g = $400- SALE = $275- CHICXULUB Micro-Tektites from Haiti in Riker Display = $40- SALE = $30- MUONIONALUSTA 152g Supurb Etched Full Slice = $1,520- SALE = $750- See all specimens at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html -- Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig Mark Twain -- 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. Shaquille O'Neal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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Capt. Blood, You are a gentleman and a scholar... Aaarrrgg!! Take care, Greg -Original Message- From: Michael Blood Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:00 PM To: Richard Montgomery ; Met. Darryl Pitt Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction 1) I responded to Darryl off list. 2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST. Michael On 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad Michael, Please do consider not publicly posting the auction results---or if you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making it absolutely clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace and the prices attained reflect the same. The last thing needed is more confusion for the growing legion of new buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to navigate the murky waters of meteorite valuation. Thank you for your consideration. All the best / Darryl On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Finally got everything off - looks like I will survive.barely. Soon to come: Auction results/prices Here are some goodies: HAPPY HUNTING! Michael All specimens may be seen at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html BRENHAM extremely thin sealed in oil in thick plastic. This should never rust. Increadable surface area to Weight. 18.3g huge = $275 SALE = $175- DEPORT, Tx. This specimen is the 11th specimen collected In the Monig Collection ³1K² (1A sold for $6.5K in the auction ($25/g) This 41.37g specimen cost me a considerable amount and is available for $600- CAMPO 7.9Kg (This was by far the best specimen in this weight range I saw at the show) and stands nicely on One side and also stands upright = $600- Sale= $500- NWA2737 (Chassignite) Extremely rare 3 sizes: #1 = $35= #2 or #3 = $45, #4 = $60 http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html MILLBILLILLIE thin with exceptional surface area #1 = $35 #2 = $40 #3 = $50 ODESSA Small specimens a little larger than golf balls. These I have not seen in years and only from the person I got them From and I got all he had. (Photo shows both sides of each) 73.5g = $150- 109.6g = $220- 112,5g = $225- 123.1g = $245- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html STANNERN (Eucrite) May 22,1808 Czeck Rep. #1 = SOLD #2 = $50- #3 = $55- LIBYAN DESERT GLASS Huge speciem 752.3g = $1,500- SALE = $850- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html CHANGXING China .259g = SOLD UNIDENTIFIED NWA 2,612.5g Whole Stone. 98%+ Fusion Crusted = 40c/g = $1,045 SALE = under 29c/g = $750 HENBURY Nice, small specimens with character = $3/g sale = under $2.25/g 38.2g = $114- SALE = $85- 67.4g = $202- SALE = $150- 70.8g = $222- SALE = $159- TATAHUINE Superb specimen = $65- SALE $50- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html NWA 6355 Lunar Full Slice 14.68g See full description of this full slice at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/NWA6355_14_68g 14.68g = $700/g (here and elsewhere) = $10,275- SALE PRICE: under $550/g = $8,000- S-A 133.6g = $400- SALE = $275- CHICXULUB Micro-Tektites from Haiti in Riker Display = $40- SALE = $30- MUONIONALUSTA 152g Supurb Etched Full Slice = $1,520- SALE = $750- See all specimens at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html -- Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig Mark Twain -- 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. Shaquille O'Neal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing
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G'Day Michael, List and All I'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to remember that this was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were a lot of comments made. But why are we trying to hide something here? Aren't we trying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the public that view this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers / collectors being corrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need to give those that frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not legit. I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be known, make it be public. That's the only way we're going to move forward from being negative. That's just my thoughts and not anyone else's. But I'm a little concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me, I'm not out to condone anybody, but give it some thought. Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:00 PM To: Richard Montgomery; Met. Darryl Pitt Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction 1) I responded to Darryl off list. 2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST. Michael On 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad Michael, Please do consider not publicly posting the auction results---or if you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making it absolutely clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace and the prices attained reflect the same. The last thing needed is more confusion for the growing legion of new buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to navigate the murky waters of meteorite valuation. Thank you for your consideration. All the best / Darryl On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Finally got everything off - looks like I will survive.barely. Soon to come: Auction results/prices Here are some goodies: HAPPY HUNTING! Michael All specimens may be seen at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html BRENHAM extremely thin sealed in oil in thick plastic. This should never rust. Increadable surface area to Weight. 18.3g huge = $275 SALE = $175- DEPORT, Tx. This specimen is the 11th specimen collected In the Monig Collection ³1K² (1A sold for $6.5K in the auction ($25/g) This 41.37g specimen cost me a considerable amount and is available for $600- CAMPO 7.9Kg (This was by far the best specimen in this weight range I saw at the show) and stands nicely on One side and also stands upright = $600- Sale= $500- NWA2737 (Chassignite) Extremely rare 3 sizes: #1 = $35= #2 or #3 = $45, #4 = $60 http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html MILLBILLILLIE thin with exceptional surface area #1 = $35 #2 = $40 #3 = $50 ODESSA Small specimens a little larger than golf balls. These I have not seen in years and only from the person I got them From and I got all he had. (Photo shows both sides of each) 73.5g = $150- 109.6g = $220- 112,5g = $225- 123.1g = $245- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html STANNERN (Eucrite) May 22,1808 Czeck Rep. #1 = SOLD #2 = $50- #3 = $55- LIBYAN DESERT GLASS Huge speciem 752.3g = $1,500- SALE = $850- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html CHANGXING China .259g = SOLD UNIDENTIFIED NWA 2,612.5g Whole Stone. 98%+ Fusion Crusted = 40c/g = $1,045 SALE = under 29c/g = $750 HENBURY Nice, small specimens with character = $3/g sale = under $2.25/g 38.2g = $114- SALE = $85- 67.4g = $202- SALE = $150- 70.8g = $222- SALE = $159- TATAHUINE Superb specimen = $65- SALE $50- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html
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I have to say, John, you have a point. Share the info publicly. Sure there will be those who don't understand the difference between wholesale and retail, and may want to buy at wholesale what is supposed to be retail. But if they think they'll get wholesale pricing on a single item purchase they need a fact checking lesson anyway. I say to hell with convention and release the info publicly! It was already broadcast LIVE anyway! lol Eric On 2/23/2011 7:38 PM, John.L.Cabassi wrote: G'Day Michael, List and All I'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to remember that this was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were a lot of comments made. But why are we trying to hide something here? Aren't we trying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the public that view this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers / collectors being corrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need to give those that frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not legit. I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be known, make it be public. That's the only way we're going to move forward from being negative. That's just my thoughts and not anyone else's. But I'm a little concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me, I'm not out to condone anybody, but give it some thought. Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:00 PM To: Richard Montgomery; Met. Darryl Pitt Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction 1) I responded to Darryl off list. 2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST. Michael On 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomeryrickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pittdar...@dof3.com To: Michael Bloodmlbl...@cox.net Cc: Meteorite Listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad Michael, Please do consider not publicly posting the auction results---or if you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making it absolutely clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace and the prices attained reflect the same. The last thing needed is more confusion for the growing legion of new buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to navigate the murky waters of meteorite valuation. Thank you for your consideration. All the best / Darryl On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Finally got everything off - looks like I will survive.barely. Soon to come: Auction results/prices Here are some goodies: HAPPY HUNTING! Michael All specimens may be seen at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html BRENHAM extremely thin sealed in oil in thick plastic. This should never rust. Increadable surface area to Weight. 18.3g huge = $275 SALE = $175- DEPORT, Tx. This specimen is the 11th specimen collected In the Monig Collection ³1K² (1A sold for $6.5K in the auction ($25/g) This 41.37g specimen cost me a considerable amount and is available for $600- CAMPO 7.9Kg (This was by far the best specimen in this weight range I saw at the show) and stands nicely on One side and also stands upright = $600- Sale= $500- NWA2737 (Chassignite) Extremely rare 3 sizes: #1 = $35= #2 or #3 = $45, #4 = $60 http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html MILLBILLILLIE thin with exceptional surface area #1 = $35 #2 = $40 #3 = $50 ODESSA Small specimens a little larger than golf balls. These I have not seen in years and only from the person I got them From and I got all he had. (Photo shows both sides of each) 73.5g = $150- 109.6g = $220- 112,5g = $225- 123.1g = $245- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html STANNERN (Eucrite) May 22,1808 Czeck Rep. #1 = SOLD #2 = $50- #3 = $55- LIBYAN DESERT GLASS Huge speciem 752.3g = $1,500- SALE = $850- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html CHANGXING
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I have to agree with John 110%. He said about all that needs said. One thing I dont understand is why the auction was considered a wholesale event, I never understood it to be as such - no more then ebay auctions and from what I have read, some prices were just as above market as others were under. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Wed, 2/23/11, John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote: From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction To: 'Michael Blood' mlbl...@cox.net, 'Richard Montgomery' rickm...@earthlink.net, 'Met. Darryl Pitt' dar...@dof3.com Cc: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 10:38 PM G'Day Michael, List and All I'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to remember that this was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were a lot of comments made. But why are we trying to hide something here? Aren't we trying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the public that view this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers / collectors being corrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need to give those that frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not legit. I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be known, make it be public. That's the only way we're going to move forward from being negative. That's just my thoughts and not anyone else's. But I'm a little concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me, I'm not out to condone anybody, but give it some thought. Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:00 PM To: Richard Montgomery; Met. Darryl Pitt Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction 1) I responded to Darryl off list. 2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST. Michael On 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad Michael, Please do consider not publicly posting the auction results---or if you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making it absolutely clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace and the prices attained reflect the same. The last thing needed is more confusion for the growing legion of new buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to navigate the murky waters of meteorite valuation. Thank you for your consideration. All the best / Darryl On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Finally got everything off - looks like I will survive.barely. Soon to come: Auction results/prices Here are some goodies: HAPPY HUNTING! Michael All specimens may be seen at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html BRENHAM extremely thin sealed in oil in thick plastic. This should never rust. Increadable surface area to Weight. 18.3g huge = $275 SALE = $175- DEPORT, Tx. This specimen is the 11th specimen collected In the Monig Collection ³1K² (1A sold for $6.5K in the auction ($25/g) This 41.37g specimen cost me a considerable amount and is available for $600- CAMPO 7.9Kg (This was by far the best specimen in this weight range I saw at the show) and stands nicely on One side and also stands upright = $600- Sale= $500- NWA2737 (Chassignite) Extremely rare 3 sizes: #1 = $35= #2 or #3 = $45, #4 = $60 http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html MILLBILLILLIE thin with exceptional surface area #1 = $35 #2 = $40 #3
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
Mr. Oatman, if you read passus 10 ff. of your quoted link ... http://www.lvrj.com/news/claudine-williams-memory-deserves-better-than-this-81882842.html ... you'll realize that two Counts Deiro are mentioned: Roberto, the father, and Guy, the son. Roberto started the auction business in 1976 and sold it to Guy in 1991 - to his now estranged son, as one can read. All three articles you're quoting are dedicated to problems which arised in 2010 and in which Deiro auctioneers obviously were involved under the responsibility of Guy Deiro, 9 years after his father had sold the business to him. Not difficult to realize that Count Roberto, the father, can't be blamed at all in this case. Yes indeed, a public apology would be in order. I know Count Roberto from the list as well as from personal contacts, and I know him, to cut the matter short, as a highly reputable and honorable man, with his enthusiasm, his engagement and good sense of humour an absolute enrichment of this list. Btw. as myself being closely in contact with the modern and contemporary art scene I think I can say that Count Roberto's achievments in regard to how to be a serious, fair and successful auctioneer are utmost precise and really splendid. Thanks for this, Count. With best regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 4:14 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Dear Meteorite List and Count Deiro, I read with interest the posts regarding the 2011 Tucson Auction. I have attended the Blood auction in past years and always enjoyed myself. The Count's post seems to indicate that Michael's auction was conducted poorly. I realize that you have emailed that it was not your intent to refer to the Blood Auction specifically, but you must agree that it seems you are directly insulting Mr. Blood and the girls working the ring. I had a chance to google your Auction Firm and it seems that the Deiro Auctioneer's have defrauded many well respected members of the community. Since you mentioned that you serve as counsel to the firms I assume that all of these individuals and charities have been paid the proceeds they had due and that your firms are conducting business in a reputable manner. Sometimes one needs to look in the mirror before offering unsolicited advice to another. In my opinion public apologies are in order. http://www.lvrj.com/news/claudine-williams-memory-deserves-better-than-this-81882842.html http://www.lvrj.com/news/you-win-some-and-lose-some-trying-to-help-readers-99743969.html http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/14198362-1.html Sincerely, Michael Oatman Count Deiro wrote the following I owned and have operated some of the largest auction firms in the nation since receiving my Certified Auctioneer Institute professional designation from Indiana University in 1985. Prior to that, I attended Missouri Auction School and served an apprenticeship at Sothebys in New York. I became licensed in eight states. I was the Charter President of the Nevada State Auctioneers Association. My firms have sold, and I have gaveled down, over a billion dollars in real and personal property, even some meteorites at this auction last year. I have sold my auction interests to family members and have been of counsel to our firms and other companies for the past 15 years. So the qualifying remarks having been made…here we go: SOME (NOT ALL) AUCTION POLICIES AND TECHNIQUES Auctioneers have a legal fiduciary obligation to Consignors. They should be knowledgeable of the items they sell and should be able to pronounce names and make accurate descriptions. An auctioneer has to know the retail value of every lot and have examples to quote to the audience, so that he can open the bid at a sum that encourages bidders to bid on the money. Opening a $500 item at $20 is incompetence. Getting an opening bid that is off the money...say $100 on a $500 item and then asking for $120 instead of $200 is something you learn not to do the first day at auction school. It is critical that auctioneers make the audience believe they know what they are selling, and what it’s worth, so that bidders will have confidence to bid what is being asked. Failing to answer legitimate questions from bidders ruins credibility. Never say “I have $200”. Auctioneers don’t have anything. Better to say “at $200”, or $200 is bid.” Taking a bid from an opening bidder, and then acquiring another bid and then not go immediately back to the opening bidder is insulting to him. Work the first to bidders dry…then take a competing bid. Saves time and respects the first bidders. All auctioneers should employ trained ring persons. They are invaluable in encouraging bidders, showing lots, and answering questions like “where we at?” or “what’s the bid?” It is not accepted practice
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
Thank you, Matthias Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de Sent: Feb 8, 2011 2:51 AM To: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Mr. Oatman, if you read passus 10 ff. of your quoted link ... http://www.lvrj.com/news/claudine-williams-memory-deserves-better-than-this-81882842.html ... you'll realize that two Counts Deiro are mentioned: Roberto, the father, and Guy, the son. Roberto started the auction business in 1976 and sold it to Guy in 1991 - to his now estranged son, as one can read. All three articles you're quoting are dedicated to problems which arised in 2010 and in which Deiro auctioneers obviously were involved under the responsibility of Guy Deiro, 9 years after his father had sold the business to him. Not difficult to realize that Count Roberto, the father, can't be blamed at all in this case. Yes indeed, a public apology would be in order. I know Count Roberto from the list as well as from personal contacts, and I know him, to cut the matter short, as a highly reputable and honorable man, with his enthusiasm, his engagement and good sense of humour an absolute enrichment of this list. Btw. as myself being closely in contact with the modern and contemporary art scene I think I can say that Count Roberto's achievments in regard to how to be a serious, fair and successful auctioneer are utmost precise and really splendid. Thanks for this, Count. With best regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 4:14 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Dear Meteorite List and Count Deiro, I read with interest the posts regarding the 2011 Tucson Auction. I have attended the Blood auction in past years and always enjoyed myself. The Count's post seems to indicate that Michael's auction was conducted poorly. I realize that you have emailed that it was not your intent to refer to the Blood Auction specifically, but you must agree that it seems you are directly insulting Mr. Blood and the girls working the ring. I had a chance to google your Auction Firm and it seems that the Deiro Auctioneer's have defrauded many well respected members of the community. Since you mentioned that you serve as counsel to the firms I assume that all of these individuals and charities have been paid the proceeds they had due and that your firms are conducting business in a reputable manner. Sometimes one needs to look in the mirror before offering unsolicited advice to another. In my opinion public apologies are in order. http://www.lvrj.com/news/claudine-williams-memory-deserves-better-than-this-81882842.html http://www.lvrj.com/news/you-win-some-and-lose-some-trying-to-help-readers-99743969.html http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/14198362-1.html Sincerely, Michael Oatman Count Deiro wrote the following I owned and have operated some of the largest auction firms in the nation since receiving my Certified Auctioneer Institute professional designation from Indiana University in 1985. Prior to that, I attended Missouri Auction School and served an apprenticeship at Sothebys in New York. I became licensed in eight states. I was the Charter President of the Nevada State Auctioneers Association. My firms have sold, and I have gaveled down, over a billion dollars in real and personal property, even some meteorites at this auction last year. I have sold my auction interests to family members and have been of counsel to our firms and other companies for the past 15 years. So the qualifying remarks having been made…here we go: SOME (NOT ALL) AUCTION POLICIES AND TECHNIQUES Auctioneers have a legal fiduciary obligation to Consignors. They should be knowledgeable of the items they sell and should be able to pronounce names and make accurate descriptions. An auctioneer has to know the retail value of every lot and have examples to quote to the audience, so that he can open the bid at a sum that encourages bidders to bid on the money. Opening a $500 item at $20 is incompetence. Getting an opening bid that is off the money...say $100 on a $500 item and then asking for $120 instead of $200 is something you learn not to do the first day at auction school. It is critical that auctioneers make the audience believe they know what they are selling, and what it’s worth, so that bidders will have confidence to bid what is being asked. Failing to answer legitimate questions from bidders ruins credibility. Never say “I have $200”. Auctioneers don’t have anything. Better to say “at $200”, or $200 is bid.” Taking a bid from an opening bidder, and then acquiring another bid and then not go immediately back to the opening bidder is insulting to him. Work the first
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
Mr. Oatman.I believe apoligies NEED to be in order(from you). Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Thank you Jason. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com Sent: Feb 7, 2011 7:36 PM To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Michael, All, I'd like to point out that the above articles do not shed any light on the professional demeanor of our own Count (Robert Deiro). To quote one of the articles: Robert Deiro, who started the auction business in 1976 and sold it to his son in 1991, is estranged from his son. He's embarrassed his name is involved even though he isn't. This has really been hard on me, the retiree said. I'm sorry if this brings any unwanted/unpleasant things up, but I felt that this should be clarified, as the published articles were very misleading if the above lines were not pointed out. Regards, Jason On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 7:14 PM, mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Meteorite List and Count Deiro, I read with interest the posts regarding the 2011 Tucson Auction. I have attended the Blood auction in past years and always enjoyed myself. The Count's post seems to indicate that Michael's auction was conducted poorly. I realize that you have emailed that it was not your intent to refer to the Blood Auction specifically, but you must agree that it seems you are directly insulting Mr. Blood and the girls working the ring. I had a chance to google your Auction Firm and it seems that the Deiro Auctioneer's have defrauded many well respected members of the community. Since you mentioned that you serve as counsel to the firms I assume that all of these individuals and charities have been paid the proceeds they had due and that your firms are conducting business in a reputable manner. Sometimes one needs to look in the mirror before offering unsolicited advice to another. In my opinion public apologies are in order. http://www.lvrj.com/news/claudine-williams-memory-deserves-better-than-this-81882842.html http://www.lvrj.com/news/you-win-some-and-lose-some-trying-to-help-readers-99743969.html http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/14198362-1.html Sincerely, Michael Oatman Count Deiro wrote the following I owned and have operated some of the largest auction firms in the nation since receiving my Certified Auctioneer Institute professional designation from Indiana University in 1985. Prior to that, I attended Missouri Auction School and served an apprenticeship at Sothebys in New York. I became licensed in eight states. I was the Charter President of the Nevada State Auctioneers Association. My firms have sold, and I have gaveled down, over a billion dollars in real and personal property, even some meteorites at this auction last year. I have sold my auction interests to family members and have been of counsel to our firms and other companies for the past 15 years. So the qualifying remarks having been made…here we go: SOME (NOT ALL) AUCTION POLICIES AND TECHNIQUES Auctioneers have a legal fiduciary obligation to Consignors. They should be knowledgeable of the items they sell and should be able to pronounce names and make accurate descriptions. An auctioneer has to know the retail value of every lot and have examples to quote to the audience, so that he can open the bid at a sum that encourages bidders to bid on the money. Opening a $500 item at $20 is incompetence. Getting an opening bid that is off the money...say $100 on a $500 item and then asking for $120 instead of $200 is something you learn not to do the first day at auction school. It is critical that auctioneers make the audience believe they know what they are selling, and what it’s worth, so that bidders will have confidence to bid what is being asked. Failing to answer legitimate questions from bidders ruins credibility. Never say “I have $200”. Auctioneers don’t have anything. Better to say “at $200”, or $200 is bid.” Taking a bid from an opening bidder, and then acquiring another bid and then not go immediately back to the opening bidder is insulting to him. Work the first to bidders dry…then take a competing bid. Saves time and respects the first bidders. All auctioneers should employ trained ring persons. They are invaluable in encouraging bidders, showing lots, and answering questions like “where we at?” or “what’s the bid?” It is not accepted practice for an auctioneer to bid on his own behalf, even if he does not own the goods being sold. If he does, he should never announce the fact, as it tends to discourage bidding and hurts his consignors and credibility. He should have several house numbers to sell a passed lot to, or a lot that didn’t meet an undisclosed reserve, or a lot he has bought. Do not disclose reserves. Do not announce
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
I watched the auction ffrom California via Ruben's broadcast...which was awesome!...the only thing I noticed that struck me as a bit odd was how fast Michael closed the items, and I kept wondering if more time was taken that bids would have increased substantially. (I don't think this was on purpose...please don't mis-understand!) There were some real low wins on some pretty amazing pieces (like the TFL thin-section)... Hat's off to Greg H. for a fantastic donation to a great auction! Even though I haven't personally met any of you, after watching, reading all the posts and pictures and videos this year I feel as if I have. Thanks everyone. Richard Montgomery Goldierocks - Original Message - From: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net To: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Good grief! All this post-auction bickering reminds me of the old adage, No good deed goes unpunished. I had a great time at the auction, in spite of not winning a single item, and I appreciate the efforts of all those who make it happen. I don't go expecting the tightly run ship of a world-class auction house, but to have fun with friends in the meteorite community - some old, some new, and some I've yet to meet. Is everything perfect? Of course not! We're all human and we live on planet Earth. But we should be celebrating our common interest, not quibbling over petty problems. I can understand the differing points of view, but I don't understand the point of complaining about it all. I assure you, we'll all have bigger things on our minds on our deathbeds. So hats off to Michael, Ruben, Leigh Anne, Suzanne, Lisa Marie, Twink, John, and anyone else involved. We'll have even more fun next year! Linton - Original Message - From: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Dear Meteorite List and Count Deiro, I read with interest the posts regarding the 2011 Tucson Auction. I have attended the Blood auction in past years and always enjoyed myself. The Count's post seems to indicate that Michael's auction was conducted poorly. I realize that you have emailed that it was not your intent to refer to the Blood Auction specifically, but you must agree that it seems you are directly insulting Mr. Blood and the girls working the ring. I had a chance to google your Auction Firm and it seems that the Deiro Auctioneer's have defrauded many well respected members of the community. Since you mentioned that you serve as counsel to the firms I assume that all of these individuals and charities have been paid the proceeds they had due and that your firms are conducting business in a reputable manner. Sometimes one needs to look in the mirror before offering unsolicited advice to another. In my opinion public apologies are in order. http://www.lvrj.com/news/claudine-williams-memory-deserves-better-than-this-81882842.html http://www.lvrj.com/news/you-win-some-and-lose-some-trying-to-help-readers-99743969.html http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/14198362-1.html Sincerely, Michael Oatman Count Deiro wrote the following I owned and have operated some of the largest auction firms in the nation since receiving my Certified Auctioneer Institute professional designation from Indiana University in 1985. Prior to that, I attended Missouri Auction School and served an apprenticeship at Sothebys in New York. I became licensed in eight states. I was the Charter President of the Nevada State Auctioneers Association. My firms have sold, and I have gaveled down, over a billion dollars in real and personal property, even some meteorites at this auction last year. I have sold my auction interests to family members and have been of counsel to our firms and other companies for the past 15 years. So the qualifying remarks having been made…here we go: SOME (NOT ALL) AUCTION POLICIES AND TECHNIQUES Auctioneers have a legal fiduciary obligation to Consignors. They should be knowledgeable of the items they sell and should be able to pronounce names and make accurate descriptions. An auctioneer has to know the retail value of every lot and have examples to quote to the audience, so that he can open the bid at a sum that encourages bidders to bid on the money. Opening a $500 item at $20 is incompetence. Getting an opening bid that is off the money...say $100 on a $500 item and then asking for $120 instead of $200 is something you learn not to do the first day at auction school. It is critical that auctioneers make the audience believe they know what they are selling, and what it’s worth, so that bidders will have confidence to bid what is being asked. Failing to answer legitimate questions
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I thought the same thing too. I have never seen an auctioneer close bid so fast. Almost like they were in a hurry. Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: I watched the auction ffrom California via Ruben's broadcast...which was awesome!...the only thing I noticed that struck me as a bit odd was how fast Michael closed the items, and I kept wondering if more time was taken that bids would have increased substantially. (I don't think this was on purpose...please don't mis-understand!) There were some real low wins on some pretty amazing pieces (like the TFL thin-section)... Hat's off to Greg H. for a fantastic donation to a great auction! Even though I haven't personally met any of you, after watching, reading all the posts and pictures and videos this year I feel as if I have. Thanks everyone. Richard Montgomery Goldierocks - Original Message - From: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net To: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Good grief! All this post-auction bickering reminds me of the old adage, No good deed goes unpunished. I had a great time at the auction, in spite of not winning a single item, and I appreciate the efforts of all those who make it happen. I don't go expecting the tightly run ship of a world-class auction house, but to have fun with friends in the meteorite community - some old, some new, and some I've yet to meet. Is everything perfect? Of course not! We're all human and we live on planet Earth. But we should be celebrating our common interest, not quibbling over petty problems. I can understand the differing points of view, but I don't understand the point of complaining about it all. I assure you, we'll all have bigger things on our minds on our deathbeds. So hats off to Michael, Ruben, Leigh Anne, Suzanne, Lisa Marie, Twink, John, and anyone else involved. We'll have even more fun next year! Linton - Original Message - From: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Dear Meteorite List and Count Deiro, I read with interest the posts regarding the 2011 Tucson Auction. I have attended the Blood auction in past years and always enjoyed myself. The Count's post seems to indicate that Michael's auction was conducted poorly. I realize that you have emailed that it was not your intent to refer to the Blood Auction specifically, but you must agree that it seems you are directly insulting Mr. Blood and the girls working the ring. I had a chance to google your Auction Firm and it seems that the Deiro Auctioneer's have defrauded many well respected members of the community. Since you mentioned that you serve as counsel to the firms I assume that all of these individuals and charities have been paid the proceeds they had due and that your firms are conducting business in a reputable manner. Sometimes one needs to look in the mirror before offering unsolicited advice to another. In my opinion public apologies are in order. http://www.lvrj.com/news/claudine-williams-memory-deserves-better-than-this-81882842.html http://www.lvrj.com/news/you-win-some-and-lose-some-trying-to-help-readers-99743969.html http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/14198362-1.html Sincerely, Michael Oatman Count Deiro wrote the following I owned and have operated some of the largest auction firms in the nation since receiving my Certified Auctioneer Institute professional designation from Indiana University in 1985. Prior to that, I attended Missouri Auction School and served an apprenticeship at Sothebys in New York. I became licensed in eight states. I was the Charter President of the Nevada State Auctioneers Association. My firms have sold, and I have gaveled down, over a billion dollars in real and personal property, even some meteorites at this auction last year. I have sold my auction interests to family members and have been of counsel to our firms and other companies for the past 15 years. So the qualifying remarks having been made…here we go: SOME (NOT ALL) AUCTION POLICIES AND TECHNIQUES Auctioneers have a legal fiduciary obligation to Consignors. They should be knowledgeable of the items they sell and should be able to pronounce names and make accurate descriptions. An auctioneer has to know the retail value of every lot and have examples to quote to the audience, so that he can open the bid at a sum that encourages bidders to bid on the money. Opening a $500 item at $20 is incompetence. Getting an opening bid that is off the money...say $100 on a $500 item and then asking for $120 instead of $200
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Yep, most of the material I entered went below my costs. A gorgeous 33.2 gram complete slice of Dhofar 700 prepared by Marlin Cilz sold for only $220.00, a fraction of what it would have realized on eBay. It cost me nearly this much to have it prepared if you take cutting loss into account and this doesn't include what I paid for the stone itself. I saw a thin section sell for only $80.00 that should have realized at least $400.00 so I did not feel so bad and I did not take the low prices personally. I knew going in that items would not realize their full potential but was taken back a little bit by how low some of the items sold for. Prices were all over the board so you cannot take these prices and draw any conclusions from them. The market is not in ruin as some used to state. The only consolation for losing so much money is that a few collectors approached me after the auction and were very appreciative of the items and that I did not place any reserves on them. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net; Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net; mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 10:28:43 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? I thought the same thing too. I have never seen an auctioneer close bid so fast. Almost like they were in a hurry. Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: I watched the auction ffrom California via Ruben's broadcast...which was awesome!...the only thing I noticed that struck me as a bit odd was how fast Michael closed the items, and I kept wondering if more time was taken that bids would have increased substantially. (I don't think this was on purpose...please don't mis-understand!) There were some real low wins on some pretty amazing pieces (like the TFL thin-section)... Hat's off to Greg H. for a fantastic donation to a great auction! Even though I haven't personally met any of you, after watching, reading all the posts and pictures and videos this year I feel as if I have. Thanks everyone. Richard Montgomery Goldierocks - Original Message - From: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net To: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Good grief! All this post-auction bickering reminds me of the old adage, No good deed goes unpunished. I had a great time at the auction, in spite of not winning a single item, and I appreciate the efforts of all those who make it happen. I don't go expecting the tightly run ship of a world-class auction house, but to have fun with friends in the meteorite community - some old, some new, and some I've yet to meet. Is everything perfect? Of course not! We're all human and we live on planet Earth. But we should be celebrating our common interest, not quibbling over petty problems. I can understand the differing points of view, but I don't understand the point of complaining about it all. I assure you, we'll all have bigger things on our minds on our deathbeds. So hats off to Michael, Ruben, Leigh Anne, Suzanne, Lisa Marie, Twink, John, and anyone else involved. We'll have even more fun next year! Linton - Original Message - From: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Dear Meteorite List and Count Deiro, I read with interest the posts regarding the 2011 Tucson Auction. I have attended the Blood auction in past years and always enjoyed myself. The Count's post seems to indicate that Michael's auction was conducted poorly. I realize that you have emailed that it was not your intent to refer to the Blood Auction specifically, but you must agree that it seems you are directly insulting Mr. Blood and the girls working the ring. I had a chance to google your Auction Firm and it seems that the Deiro Auctioneer's have defrauded many well respected members of the community. Since you mentioned that you serve as counsel to the firms I assume that all of these individuals and charities have been paid the proceeds they had due and that your firms are conducting business in a reputable manner. Sometimes one needs to look in the mirror before offering unsolicited advice to another. In my opinion public apologies are in order. http://www.lvrj.com/news/claudine-williams-memory-deserves-better-than-this-81882842.html l http://www.lvrj.com/news/you-win-some-and-lose-some-trying-to-help-readers-99743969.html l http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/14198362-1.html l
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I will chime in on the prices. Like Adam stated, much fine NWA material sold for pretty low prices, that Dhofar 700 slice was a killer. On the other hand, the Norton Co pieces sold for 40+/g, the Worden was 300/g (I originally sold pieces of this for 15-20/g in 2002)! Sylacauga sold for about 2150/g, some of the TX chondrites were 6-10/g, and the small Allende slice was 15/g (if I can remember correctly). The Johnstown 7.3g sold for 2300, not too shabby. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 10:48:43 To: Adammeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Yep, most of the material I entered went below my costs. A gorgeous 33.2 gram complete slice of Dhofar 700 prepared by Marlin Cilz sold for only $220.00, a fraction of what it would have realized on eBay. It cost me nearly this much to have it prepared if you take cutting loss into account and this doesn't include what I paid for the stone itself. I saw a thin section sell for only $80.00 that should have realized at least $400.00 so I did not feel so bad and I did not take the low prices personally. I knew going in that items would not realize their full potential but was taken back a little bit by how low some of the items sold for. Prices were all over the board so you cannot take these prices and draw any conclusions from them. The market is not in ruin as some used to state. The only consolation for losing so much money is that a few collectors approached me after the auction and were very appreciative of the items and that I did not place any reserves on them. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net; Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net; mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 10:28:43 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? I thought the same thing too. I have never seen an auctioneer close bid so fast. Almost like they were in a hurry. Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: I watched the auction ffrom California via Ruben's broadcast...which was awesome!...the only thing I noticed that struck me as a bit odd was how fast Michael closed the items, and I kept wondering if more time was taken that bids would have increased substantially. (I don't think this was on purpose...please don't mis-understand!) There were some real low wins on some pretty amazing pieces (like the TFL thin-section)... Hat's off to Greg H. for a fantastic donation to a great auction! Even though I haven't personally met any of you, after watching, reading all the posts and pictures and videos this year I feel as if I have. Thanks everyone. Richard Montgomery Goldierocks - Original Message - From: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net To: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Good grief! All this post-auction bickering reminds me of the old adage, No good deed goes unpunished. I had a great time at the auction, in spite of not winning a single item, and I appreciate the efforts of all those who make it happen. I don't go expecting the tightly run ship of a world-class auction house, but to have fun with friends in the meteorite community - some old, some new, and some I've yet to meet. Is everything perfect? Of course not! We're all human and we live on planet Earth. But we should be celebrating our common interest, not quibbling over petty problems. I can understand the differing points of view, but I don't understand the point of complaining about it all. I assure you, we'll all have bigger things on our minds on our deathbeds. So hats off to Michael, Ruben, Leigh Anne, Suzanne, Lisa Marie, Twink, John, and anyone else involved. We'll have even more fun next year! Linton - Original Message - From: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Dear Meteorite List and Count Deiro, I read with interest the posts regarding the 2011 Tucson Auction. I have attended the Blood auction in past years and always enjoyed myself. The Count's post seems to indicate that Michael's auction was conducted poorly. I realize that you have emailed that it was not your intent to refer to the Blood Auction specifically, but you must agree that it seems you
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As both Adam and Matt have commented, the prices were all over the place. Some went WAY below what I had expected; a few went for more; a couple went VERY high. A couple of the absentee bidders had deep pockets so some bids went high that way. If I hadn't already been broke from earlier show purchases, I would definitely have been bidding on several of the items. As Michael Blood commented on some, they were a real steal. I think that the no reserve on most of the items kept the price down since we could start the bidding at what would be rediculously low prices. There was no reason to start up in a more reasonable (to the seller) range. Don __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Yes, some of the pieces went higher than expected. You can thank my brother, Greg and a few other bidders for recognizing the value, bidding up and in some cases winning stones like the Johnstown piece and Norton County which I have seen sell for far below what they went for. These were the exception and not the rule. I saw a Jerry Armstrong painting sell for 1/5th the amount I would have expected so many bargains were to be had and not just on NWA pieces. I am sure there are a lot of happy collectors and dealers running around after purchasing at this auction. It is supposed to be a fun event and the prices realized should not be taken too seriously. I had a good time even though others and myself took a beating this year on sell prices. You cannot win all of the time and this provides needed contrast. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 10:58:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? I will chime in on the prices. Like Adam stated, much fine NWA material sold for pretty low prices, that Dhofar 700 slice was a killer. On the other hand, the Norton Co pieces sold for 40+/g, the Worden was 300/g (I originally sold pieces of this for 15-20/g in 2002)! Sylacauga sold for about 2150/g, some of the TX chondrites were 6-10/g, and the small Allende slice was 15/g (if I can remember correctly). The Johnstown 7.3g sold for 2300, not too shabby. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 10:48:43 To: Adammeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Yep, most of the material I entered went below my costs. A gorgeous 33.2 gram complete slice of Dhofar 700 prepared by Marlin Cilz sold for only $220.00, a fraction of what it would have realized on eBay. It cost me nearly this much to have it prepared if you take cutting loss into account and this doesn't include what I paid for the stone itself. I saw a thin section sell for only $80.00 that should have realized at least $400.00 so I did not feel so bad and I did not take the low prices personally. I knew going in that items would not realize their full potential but was taken back a little bit by how low some of the items sold for. Prices were all over the board so you cannot take these prices and draw any conclusions from them. The market is not in ruin as some used to state. The only consolation for losing so much money is that a few collectors approached me after the auction and were very appreciative of the items and that I did not place any reserves on them. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net; Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net; mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 10:28:43 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? I thought the same thing too. I have never seen an auctioneer close bid so fast. Almost like they were in a hurry. Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: I watched the auction ffrom California via Ruben's broadcast...which was awesome!...the only thing I noticed that struck me as a bit odd was how fast Michael closed the items, and I kept wondering if more time was taken that bids would have increased substantially. (I don't think this was on purpose...please don't mis-understand!) There were some real low wins on some pretty amazing pieces (like the TFL thin-section)... Hat's off to Greg H. for a fantastic donation to a great auction! Even though I haven't personally met any of you, after watching, reading all the posts and pictures and videos this year I feel as if I have. Thanks everyone. Richard Montgomery Goldierocks - Original Message - From: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net To: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Good grief! All this post-auction bickering reminds me of the old adage, No good deed goes unpunished. I had a great time at the auction, in spite of not winning a single item, and I appreciate the efforts of all those who make it happen. I don't go expecting the tightly run ship of a world-class auction house, but to have fun with friends in the meteorite community
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List: Isn't that the way auctions are supposed to be; some items sell for a low price and some high. It just depends on the mood of the bidders. I watched the webcast myself and really enjoyed it (thanks Rubin), and I can say... I wish I was there during the bidding of some items, as they sold for low prices - oh well maybe next year. I think the slow recovery in the economy is a factor, also there were a few really nice (supreme) specimens which drew a lot of attention, thus allowing other items to sell for less. I have only been collecting meteorites for about five years now, but have noticed that certain types of meteorites gain popularity quickly resulting in high prices… that’s part of the fun, I guess. One thing surprised me though – I was expecting to see a Mifflin in the auction. Would have been interesting to how much it sold for. Greg S. Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 11:13:37 -0800 From: iceda...@swbell.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION As both Adam and Matt have commented, the prices were all over the place. Some went WAY below what I had expected; a few went for more; a couple went VERY high. A couple of the absentee bidders had deep pockets so some bids went high that way. If I hadn't already been broke from earlier show purchases, I would definitely have been bidding on several of the items. As Michael Blood commented on some, they were a real steal. I think that the no reserve on most of the items kept the price down since we could start the bidding at what would be rediculously low prices. There was no reason to start up in a more reasonable (to the seller) range. Don __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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There has to be a consistent balance in order to keep an established auction from withering away. The only way to maintain balance is by following prescribed protocols to the letter. Anyone that sells at auction regularly, knows you have to take a few lumps once in a while but no matter how well heeled consigners may be, they will eventually drift away if decent prices aren't realized. A relaxed atmosphere is fine but there should be a certain amount of electricity in the air when the bidding starts. In the end it's all about the bottom line. An auction has to be beyond reproach to attract and hold top consigners/buyers. It's a delicate relationship based on trust, confidence and integrity. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I agree with these statements. Next year, I will be a buyer instead of a consignor. It takes a lot of work putting these items together and it reduces the fun by taking a shellacking. I do not mind breaking even or taking a slight lose but I am in no need of more write-offs. I think it would be more fun bidding than selling so I will give buying a shot next time. I did not walk away empty handed. I actually found two pieces of Gold Basin in my cake. This is the first time I ever scored. Of course, I gave one of them away. I also got to socialize with a lot of great people so all was not a loss. Kind Regards, Adam - Original Message From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 12:16:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? There has to be a consistent balance in order to keep an established auction from withering away. The only way to maintain balance is by following prescribed protocols to the letter. Anyone that sells at auction regularly, knows you have to take a few lumps once in a while but no matter how well heeled consigners may be, they will eventually drift away if decent prices aren't realized. A relaxed atmosphere is fine but there should be a certain amount of electricity in the air when the bidding starts. In the end it's all about the bottom line. An auction has to be beyond reproach to attract and hold top consigners/buyers. It's a delicate relationship based on trust, confidence and integrity. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
Michael, All, I'd like to point out that the above articles do not shed any light on the professional demeanor of our own Count (Robert Deiro). To quote one of the articles: Robert Deiro, who started the auction business in 1976 and sold it to his son in 1991, is estranged from his son. He's embarrassed his name is involved even though he isn't. This has really been hard on me, the retiree said. I'm sorry if this brings any unwanted/unpleasant things up, but I felt that this should be clarified, as the published articles were very misleading if the above lines were not pointed out. Regards, Jason On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 7:14 PM, mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Meteorite List and Count Deiro, I read with interest the posts regarding the 2011 Tucson Auction. I have attended the Blood auction in past years and always enjoyed myself. The Count's post seems to indicate that Michael's auction was conducted poorly. I realize that you have emailed that it was not your intent to refer to the Blood Auction specifically, but you must agree that it seems you are directly insulting Mr. Blood and the girls working the ring. I had a chance to google your Auction Firm and it seems that the Deiro Auctioneer's have defrauded many well respected members of the community. Since you mentioned that you serve as counsel to the firms I assume that all of these individuals and charities have been paid the proceeds they had due and that your firms are conducting business in a reputable manner. Sometimes one needs to look in the mirror before offering unsolicited advice to another. In my opinion public apologies are in order. http://www.lvrj.com/news/claudine-williams-memory-deserves-better-than-this-81882842.html http://www.lvrj.com/news/you-win-some-and-lose-some-trying-to-help-readers-99743969.html http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/14198362-1.html Sincerely, Michael Oatman Count Deiro wrote the following I owned and have operated some of the largest auction firms in the nation since receiving my Certified Auctioneer Institute professional designation from Indiana University in 1985. Prior to that, I attended Missouri Auction School and served an apprenticeship at Sothebys in New York. I became licensed in eight states. I was the Charter President of the Nevada State Auctioneers Association. My firms have sold, and I have gaveled down, over a billion dollars in real and personal property, even some meteorites at this auction last year. I have sold my auction interests to family members and have been of counsel to our firms and other companies for the past 15 years. So the qualifying remarks having been made…here we go: SOME (NOT ALL) AUCTION POLICIES AND TECHNIQUES Auctioneers have a legal fiduciary obligation to Consignors. They should be knowledgeable of the items they sell and should be able to pronounce names and make accurate descriptions. An auctioneer has to know the retail value of every lot and have examples to quote to the audience, so that he can open the bid at a sum that encourages bidders to bid on the money. Opening a $500 item at $20 is incompetence. Getting an opening bid that is off the money...say $100 on a $500 item and then asking for $120 instead of $200 is something you learn not to do the first day at auction school. It is critical that auctioneers make the audience believe they know what they are selling, and what it’s worth, so that bidders will have confidence to bid what is being asked. Failing to answer legitimate questions from bidders ruins credibility. Never say “I have $200”. Auctioneers don’t have anything. Better to say “at $200”, or $200 is bid.” Taking a bid from an opening bidder, and then acquiring another bid and then not go immediately back to the opening bidder is insulting to him. Work the first to bidders dry…then take a competing bid. Saves time and respects the first bidders. All auctioneers should employ trained ring persons. They are invaluable in encouraging bidders, showing lots, and answering questions like “where we at?” or “what’s the bid?” It is not accepted practice for an auctioneer to bid on his own behalf, even if he does not own the goods being sold. If he does, he should never announce the fact, as it tends to discourage bidding and hurts his consignors and credibility. He should have several house numbers to sell a passed lot to, or a lot that didn’t meet an undisclosed reserve, or a lot he has bought. Do not disclose reserves. Do not announce the mail in bids. Give the mail bidder a number and use it as if in the audience. If you disclose the mail in bid maximum before selling the lot you are in deep kimchee. Phone bids should be handled by staff, with a bidder number and the auctioneer should not say “on the phone”. Merely acknowledge staff’s raised hand. You sell to a number…not a person. As a general rule do not
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
Good grief! All this post-auction bickering reminds me of the old adage, No good deed goes unpunished. I had a great time at the auction, in spite of not winning a single item, and I appreciate the efforts of all those who make it happen. I don't go expecting the tightly run ship of a world-class auction house, but to have fun with friends in the meteorite community - some old, some new, and some I've yet to meet. Is everything perfect? Of course not! We're all human and we live on planet Earth. But we should be celebrating our common interest, not quibbling over petty problems. I can understand the differing points of view, but I don't understand the point of complaining about it all. I assure you, we'll all have bigger things on our minds on our deathbeds. So hats off to Michael, Ruben, Leigh Anne, Suzanne, Lisa Marie, Twink, John, and anyone else involved. We'll have even more fun next year! Linton - Original Message - From: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Dear Meteorite List and Count Deiro, I read with interest the posts regarding the 2011 Tucson Auction. I have attended the Blood auction in past years and always enjoyed myself. The Count's post seems to indicate that Michael's auction was conducted poorly. I realize that you have emailed that it was not your intent to refer to the Blood Auction specifically, but you must agree that it seems you are directly insulting Mr. Blood and the girls working the ring. I had a chance to google your Auction Firm and it seems that the Deiro Auctioneer's have defrauded many well respected members of the community. Since you mentioned that you serve as counsel to the firms I assume that all of these individuals and charities have been paid the proceeds they had due and that your firms are conducting business in a reputable manner. Sometimes one needs to look in the mirror before offering unsolicited advice to another. In my opinion public apologies are in order. http://www.lvrj.com/news/claudine-williams-memory-deserves-better-than-this-81882842.html http://www.lvrj.com/news/you-win-some-and-lose-some-trying-to-help-readers-99743969.html http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/14198362-1.html Sincerely, Michael Oatman Count Deiro wrote the following I owned and have operated some of the largest auction firms in the nation since receiving my Certified Auctioneer Institute professional designation from Indiana University in 1985. Prior to that, I attended Missouri Auction School and served an apprenticeship at Sothebys in New York. I became licensed in eight states. I was the Charter President of the Nevada State Auctioneers Association. My firms have sold, and I have gaveled down, over a billion dollars in real and personal property, even some meteorites at this auction last year. I have sold my auction interests to family members and have been of counsel to our firms and other companies for the past 15 years. So the qualifying remarks having been made…here we go: SOME (NOT ALL) AUCTION POLICIES AND TECHNIQUES Auctioneers have a legal fiduciary obligation to Consignors. They should be knowledgeable of the items they sell and should be able to pronounce names and make accurate descriptions. An auctioneer has to know the retail value of every lot and have examples to quote to the audience, so that he can open the bid at a sum that encourages bidders to bid on the money. Opening a $500 item at $20 is incompetence. Getting an opening bid that is off the money...say $100 on a $500 item and then asking for $120 instead of $200 is something you learn not to do the first day at auction school. It is critical that auctioneers make the audience believe they know what they are selling, and what it’s worth, so that bidders will have confidence to bid what is being asked. Failing to answer legitimate questions from bidders ruins credibility. Never say “I have $200”. Auctioneers don’t have anything. Better to say “at $200”, or $200 is bid.” Taking a bid from an opening bidder, and then acquiring another bid and then not go immediately back to the opening bidder is insulting to him. Work the first to bidders dry…then take a competing bid. Saves time and respects the first bidders. All auctioneers should employ trained ring persons. They are invaluable in encouraging bidders, showing lots, and answering questions like “where we at?” or “what’s the bid?” It is not accepted practice for an auctioneer to bid on his own behalf, even if he does not own the goods being sold. If he does, he should never announce the fact, as it tends to discourage bidding and hurts his consignors and credibility. He should have several house numbers to sell a passed lot to, or a lot that didn’t meet an undisclosed reserve, or a lot he has bought. Do not disclose
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
Dear Mr. Oatman, You have libeled me. The firm you refer to was sold by me to one of my son's in 1991. I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of this company, although unfortunately it bears a name very similar to mine. I am Count Guido Roberto Deiro (73). This man is Guy Robert Deiro (age 51). The son of my first wife, whom I married and divorced in the 1960's. I did not raise this man. I have not seen or spoken to him in over two years. I have other sons and daughters and 11 grandchildren. Over the years, I have endeavored to set them up in various enterprises to insure their futures. This son did well with the business I sold him twenty years ago and was a respected member of the community until he became embroiled in a horrendous divorce. The incident you saw fit to publish to discredit me was the result of poor choices made by G. Robert and his sixth wife. They set about to destroy each other and did a good job of it. The person whose estate was sold, and the proceeds not given to the charity beneficiaries,as described in the articles you republished to slander me, was one of my dearest friends. For nearly eight years in the 1970's, I was associated with Shelby and Claudine Williams at what is Harrahs Casino on the Las Vegas Strip. So you see, the victims in this debacle were friends of mine. To have my kin involved in this embarassment is doubly painful. Mr. G. Robert Deiro was given the task of liquidating Claudine's estate because he was my son. I was in Europe when the sale of her home, furnishings and personal property was sold at auction by his company. My understanding is, that a woman, to go unnamed, drained his accounts and ran off with the money leaving him destitute. He had to file bankruptcy and lost everything he owned, including the custody of his three children by various wives, his business and his reputation. I understand he made some restitution and then left the state. If you would have taken the time to thoroughly read Jane Morrison's first column in the Review Journal, you would have seen that I was not associated with this affair, or the company, and that I was horrified by the outcome and furious with my eldest son. I suggest you inquire as to my reputation with Jane Morrison tomorrow. You can E-mail her at j...@reviewjournal.com or call (702) 383-0275. She also blogs at lvrj.com/blogs/morrison. I am a gentleman and I can see where you, in your glee at having perhaps found something to skewer me with, rushed, as they say, to judgement. I won't demand satisfaction. A simple apology will suffice. Count Guido Roberto Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- From: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com Sent: Feb 7, 2011 7:14 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Dear Meteorite List and Count Deiro, I read with interest the posts regarding the 2011 Tucson Auction. I have attended the Blood auction in past years and always enjoyed myself. The Count's post seems to indicate that Michael's auction was conducted poorly. I realize that you have emailed that it was not your intent to refer to the Blood Auction specifically, but you must agree that it seems you are directly insulting Mr. Blood and the girls working the ring. I had a chance to google your Auction Firm and it seems that the Deiro Auctioneer's have defrauded many well respected members of the community. Since you mentioned that you serve as counsel to the firms I assume that all of these individuals and charities have been paid the proceeds they had due and that your firms are conducting business in a reputable manner. Sometimes one needs to look in the mirror before offering unsolicited advice to another. In my opinion public apologies are in order. http://www.lvrj.com/news/claudine-williams-memory-deserves-better-than-this-81882842.html http://www.lvrj.com/news/you-win-some-and-lose-some-trying-to-help-readers-99743969.html http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/14198362-1.html Sincerely, Michael Oatman Count Deiro wrote the following I owned and have operated some of the largest auction firms in the nation since receiving my Certified Auctioneer Institute professional designation from Indiana University in 1985. Prior to that, I attended Missouri Auction School and served an apprenticeship at Sothebys in New York. I became licensed in eight states. I was the Charter President of the Nevada State Auctioneers Association. My firms have sold, and I have gaveled down, over a billion dollars in real and personal property, even some meteorites at this auction last year. I have sold my auction interests to family members and have been of counsel to our firms and other companies for the past 15 years. So the qualifying remarks having been made…here we go: SOME (NOT ALL) AUCTION POLICIES AND TECHNIQUES Auctioneers have
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
Hear, hear Linton! Thank you for your voice of reason. I too got skunked in the auction and could complain. But what would that accomplish? At the end of the day, after all is said and done, I had a great time watching others winning great pieces, sellers getting good prices, and everyone in the house having a wonderful time. And, I could keep a little money in my pocket. ;^) I thought everyone did the best they could under the situation, and I commend all for their efforts! We are all family here, sharing a common passion. Lets show each other some civility and respect, and offer the benefit of the doubt when not in command of all the facts. gary On Feb 7, 2011, at 8:36 PM, Linton Rohr wrote: Good grief! All this post-auction bickering reminds me of the old adage, No good deed goes unpunished. I had a great time at the auction, in spite of not winning a single item, and I appreciate the efforts of all those who make it happen. I don't go expecting the tightly run ship of a world-class auction house, but to have fun with friends in the meteorite community - some old, some new, and some I've yet to meet. Is everything perfect? Of course not! We're all human and we live on planet Earth. But we should be celebrating our common interest, not quibbling over petty problems. I can understand the differing points of view, but I don't understand the point of complaining about it all. I assure you, we'll all have bigger things on our minds on our deathbeds. So hats off to Michael, Ruben, Leigh Anne, Suzanne, Lisa Marie, Twink, John, and anyone else involved. We'll have even more fun next year! Linton - Original Message - From: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Dear Meteorite List and Count Deiro, I read with interest the posts regarding the 2011 Tucson Auction. I have attended the Blood auction in past years and always enjoyed myself. The Count's post seems to indicate that Michael's auction was conducted poorly. I realize that you have emailed that it was not your intent to refer to the Blood Auction specifically, but you must agree that it seems you are directly insulting Mr. Blood and the girls working the ring. I had a chance to google your Auction Firm and it seems that the Deiro Auctioneer's have defrauded many well respected members of the community. Since you mentioned that you serve as counsel to the firms I assume that all of these individuals and charities have been paid the proceeds they had due and that your firms are conducting business in a reputable manner. Sometimes one needs to look in the mirror before offering unsolicited advice to another. In my opinion public apologies are in order. http://www.lvrj.com/news/claudine-williams-memory-deserves-better-than-this-81882842.html http://www.lvrj.com/news/you-win-some-and-lose-some-trying-to-help-readers-99743969.html http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/14198362-1.html Sincerely, Michael Oatman Count Deiro wrote the following I owned and have operated some of the largest auction firms in the nation since receiving my Certified Auctioneer Institute professional designation from Indiana University in 1985. Prior to that, I attended Missouri Auction School and served an apprenticeship at Sothebys in New York. I became licensed in eight states. I was the Charter President of the Nevada State Auctioneers Association. My firms have sold, and I have gaveled down, over a billion dollars in real and personal property, even some meteorites at this auction last year. I have sold my auction interests to family members and have been of counsel to our firms and other companies for the past 15 years. So the qualifying remarks having been made…here we go: SOME (NOT ALL) AUCTION POLICIES AND TECHNIQUES Auctioneers have a legal fiduciary obligation to Consignors. They should be knowledgeable of the items they sell and should be able to pronounce names and make accurate descriptions. An auctioneer has to know the retail value of every lot and have examples to quote to the audience, so that he can open the bid at a sum that encourages bidders to bid on the money. Opening a $500 item at $20 is incompetence. Getting an opening bid that is off the money...say $100 on a $500 item and then asking for $120 instead of $200 is something you learn not to do the first day at auction school. It is critical that auctioneers make the audience believe they know what they are selling, and what it’s worth, so that bidders will have confidence to bid what is being asked. Failing to answer legitimate questions from bidders ruins credibility. Never say “I have $200”. Auctioneers don’t have anything. Better to say “at $200”, or $200 is bid.”
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
Thank you Jason. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com Sent: Feb 7, 2011 7:36 PM To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Michael, All, I'd like to point out that the above articles do not shed any light on the professional demeanor of our own Count (Robert Deiro). To quote one of the articles: Robert Deiro, who started the auction business in 1976 and sold it to his son in 1991, is estranged from his son. He's embarrassed his name is involved even though he isn't. This has really been hard on me, the retiree said. I'm sorry if this brings any unwanted/unpleasant things up, but I felt that this should be clarified, as the published articles were very misleading if the above lines were not pointed out. Regards, Jason On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 7:14 PM, mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Meteorite List and Count Deiro, I read with interest the posts regarding the 2011 Tucson Auction. I have attended the Blood auction in past years and always enjoyed myself. The Count's post seems to indicate that Michael's auction was conducted poorly. I realize that you have emailed that it was not your intent to refer to the Blood Auction specifically, but you must agree that it seems you are directly insulting Mr. Blood and the girls working the ring. I had a chance to google your Auction Firm and it seems that the Deiro Auctioneer's have defrauded many well respected members of the community. Since you mentioned that you serve as counsel to the firms I assume that all of these individuals and charities have been paid the proceeds they had due and that your firms are conducting business in a reputable manner. Sometimes one needs to look in the mirror before offering unsolicited advice to another. In my opinion public apologies are in order. http://www.lvrj.com/news/claudine-williams-memory-deserves-better-than-this-81882842.html http://www.lvrj.com/news/you-win-some-and-lose-some-trying-to-help-readers-99743969.html http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/14198362-1.html Sincerely, Michael Oatman Count Deiro wrote the following I owned and have operated some of the largest auction firms in the nation since receiving my Certified Auctioneer Institute professional designation from Indiana University in 1985. Prior to that, I attended Missouri Auction School and served an apprenticeship at Sothebys in New York. I became licensed in eight states. I was the Charter President of the Nevada State Auctioneers Association. My firms have sold, and I have gaveled down, over a billion dollars in real and personal property, even some meteorites at this auction last year. I have sold my auction interests to family members and have been of counsel to our firms and other companies for the past 15 years. So the qualifying remarks having been made…here we go: SOME (NOT ALL) AUCTION POLICIES AND TECHNIQUES Auctioneers have a legal fiduciary obligation to Consignors. They should be knowledgeable of the items they sell and should be able to pronounce names and make accurate descriptions. An auctioneer has to know the retail value of every lot and have examples to quote to the audience, so that he can open the bid at a sum that encourages bidders to bid on the money. Opening a $500 item at $20 is incompetence. Getting an opening bid that is off the money...say $100 on a $500 item and then asking for $120 instead of $200 is something you learn not to do the first day at auction school. It is critical that auctioneers make the audience believe they know what they are selling, and what it’s worth, so that bidders will have confidence to bid what is being asked. Failing to answer legitimate questions from bidders ruins credibility. Never say “I have $200”. Auctioneers don’t have anything. Better to say “at $200”, or $200 is bid.” Taking a bid from an opening bidder, and then acquiring another bid and then not go immediately back to the opening bidder is insulting to him. Work the first to bidders dry…then take a competing bid. Saves time and respects the first bidders. All auctioneers should employ trained ring persons. They are invaluable in encouraging bidders, showing lots, and answering questions like “where we at?” or “what’s the bid?” It is not accepted practice for an auctioneer to bid on his own behalf, even if he does not own the goods being sold. If he does, he should never announce the fact, as it tends to discourage bidding and hurts his consignors and credibility. He should have several house numbers to sell a passed lot to, or a lot that didn’t meet an undisclosed reserve, or a lot he has bought. Do not disclose reserves. Do not announce the mail in bids. Give the mail bidder a number and use it as if in the audience. If you disclose the mail in bid
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction PRINT Page
Yo, I, as well, am running LATE. However, the PRINT page Of the auction catalog I will have it finished on site before I leave. http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/TucsonAuction10.html It will have a link. I will be done today or tomorrow at the VERY latest, as I have to have a copy to print. You can just go to the PRINT copy and hit print On your computer when it is done. Best wishes, Michael On 1/30/10 9:26 AM, Paul Janice Harris p...@meteorite.com wrote: Dear List, I should learn to never say Final :-) So... Here is the mostest currentest, latest update. Tucson Show Information http://www.meteorite-times.com/tucson/ Thanks! Paul __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION (ad)
The On Line Tucson Meteorite Auction will soon be up. Those who would like to enter items need to email me JPGs and descriptions forthwith. Some really nice specimens are already in and Rusty Bill Mason is offering 2 Meteorite Corrosion Protection Kitts as door prizes. Twink Monrad is bringing her famous Gold Basin Birthday Cake with foil wrapped Gold Basin meteorites cooked in for the lucky winners and to add to the flavor. In addition, a special speaker is being arranged for the 6 PM to 7 PM slot. Time to get those JPGs in for maximum advertizing exposure. I am drooling over stuff that has already come in. I will be announcing the URL for the on line catalog eminently. The auction will be in the VFW Hall on Beverley where it has been Held 6 of the last 8 times (including last year). The 10% commission for entries will be increasing shortly, so, Get those goodies in soon. Anyone with questions, please feel free to ask me off line. Best wishes, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction
Dear Goran and all loyal absentee bidders. I just recently returned from Tucson. For those of you that did not get the news I Posted to the list, the following catastrophes had to Be overcome: 1) I had a TOTAL computer crash just days before leaving For the auction. This resulted in initially loosing EVERYTHING - I was eventually, with enough money, Able to recover SOME email records from 2001 and earlier As well as replace the web browser to allow me to finish the Printable copy of the auction catalog. 2) my dear mother-in-law died the day before I was leaving. She wasn't just my wife's mother, she was a wonderful Person I have known since I was 15 years old. 3) I lost the second set of absentee bids sent in at the last minute. 4) For several days before leaving and for much of my time in Tucson I was literally in a haze. For any behavior less than hospitable I apologize and hope my friends accept I was under substantial stress. Sorry for the inconvenience to all involved. I will be posting auction results in the near future. However, If you had absentee bids in, pretty much to the person they did Not get recorded this year and while I regret it, I am not going to have a heart attack over it. In fact, I do not even claim the exceptional Circumstances are necessarily the cause of my lack of fully and efficiently Functioning in regards to the auction. It is a real enterprise for one Person to put together and I nearly never get every aspect of it right. It is misfortunate as absentee bidding is part of the fun and Fun is a primary function of this auction. Under the circumstances Is it was everything I could do to get myself there (and wouldn't have Had my wife not insisted I go). For several days I felt like an obnoxious drunk, though those of You who know me know I do not drink. Eventually, however, I was able to spend several occasions of actual pleasure, as it is so nice to see old friends one only gets to see once a year. It was nice to have Jerry Armstrong there and see people gasp at Some of his many impressive paintings. I had not seen Pultusk in Person and was blown away by how much more impressive it is in person Than in the photo in the internet. I had also not witnessed for myeself The quality of the Giclee copies, which look every bit like an original Painting. They were breathtaking. I am most grateful to major submitters to the auction, particularly Anne Black who placed nearly 40 specimens with a great degree of Variation. Of course, Anne also functions as a helpful friend to everyone At the show (in case any of you have failed to note this fact). We are all Indebted to her for her good will and acts of kindness. Well, now I am beginning to ramble, and I did not mean to. I will Reserve that for my upcoming article in METEORITE TIMES. Best wishes to all, Michael On 2/12/09 11:43 PM, Göran Axelsson axels...@acc.umu.se wrote: Hi! Have you sent out invoices to absentee bidders yet? According to the prices realised that I have got from others I should have won two of the auctions. The Moss piece and the Miles iron. Credit card number beginning : 4863 8820 Regards Göran Axelsson Michael Blood wrote: I am mailing out payments and discovering that the great computer Crash of February 2009 has wiped out most of my information needed To do so. Those of you who had items in the auction please email me With the following info: 1 Name 2 email address 3 Snail mail address 4 Home and cell phone numbers Thos NOT who did not have items in the auction, please provide This information as well. I have lost ALL email data after 2001. That Means the little I do have is now in error. I returned immediately after the auction due to my dear mother-in- Law's death which prevented Angel from going or from me enjoying the Show nearly as much. None the less, it is always good do be around friends. I will write at length about the show in the March METEORITE TIMES, But suffice it to say it was well and reasonably thriving moreso than most Had expected. In any event, please do get send me your information - please put Imail Update in the Message Box. If either of us ever mailed the other I would like to hear from you. RSVP Thanks, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION, 2009
Greetings all, There were some real problems securing a space for the Tucson Show Meteorite Auction; the place on Craycroft was sold After Checking around, it turned out the OLD VFW Post on Beverly did NOT sell (which is why I had switched), so, in 2009 we will be back at the Location we were for about 5 years running on Beverly just off Speedway. Full directions will be provided in a new page going up on my site VERY Soon - probably later today. The date will be Sat, Feb. 7 Jerry Armstrong will be lecturing in the space used a few years back By U of A and his lecture (NOT about painting) is going to be something people will not want to Miss. Jerry is also planning to bring NEW paintings to Tucson this year! These will be originals - paintings not commissioned but for sale - and there may even be one in the auction. He will also be bringing a variety of his high quality Giclees, as well. CALL FOR ENTRIES: People submitting auction specimens (via good JPG and basic description - Name, type, weight, dimensions, etc) before Nov. 15 will STILL get the exceptionally low consignment fee of 10% of the price of the sale My goal is to have a 100 item On Line Catalog up as quickly as possible. After Nov. 15 consignment fees will increase incrementally. Of course, the Birthday Bash is the preview of Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold (the real Steve Arnold, not Chicago Steve), but I have Spoken with Geoff and the Bash will be held Fri, Feb. 6 - Geoff will Later announce the location. Any questions, please feel free to contact me off list - unless you Feel the question is one to which other list members may want the answer. Best wishes, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION BID RESULTS
Hi Michael and List, Pity that three pieces of nantans (57, 58, 59) were sold for just 2.5 cent per gram, much cheaper than any other meteorites. I don't know whether it's cheaper than a piece of pure iron. Wondering why we still call them meteorites since they are equal to meteowrongs from the point of the price. Pity again. Regards Ma Lan Beijing China Ma Lan 113 South Building No.5 Yongan Street Xuanwu District Beijing, China 100050 Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION BID RESULTS
It sold cheap because Nantan is a well know ruster. Garbage in my book. Howard From: Ma Lan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION BID RESULTS Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 00:20:21 -0800 (PST) Hi Michael and List, Pity that three pieces of nantans (57, 58, 59) were sold for just 2.5 cent per gram, much cheaper than any other meteorites. I don't know whether it's cheaper than a piece of pure iron. Wondering why we still call them meteorites since they are equal to meteowrongs from the point of the price. Pity again. Regards Ma Lan Beijing China Ma Lan 113 South Building No.5 Yongan Street Xuanwu District Beijing, China 100050 Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards® http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION BID RESULTS
They are cheaper than pure iron because they are not pure iron. They are nantans. DF Ma Lan wrote: Hi Michael and List, Pity that three pieces of nantans (57, 58, 59) were sold for just 2.5 cent per gram, much cheaper than any other meteorites. I don't know whether it's cheaper than a piece of pure iron. Wondering why we still call them meteorites since they are equal to meteowrongs from the point of the price. Pity again. Regards Ma Lan Beijing China Ma Lan 113 South Building No.5 Yongan Street Xuanwu District Beijing, China 100050 Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION BID RESULTS
Hi Ma and all, I believe they sold cheaply because of the recent history of this particular fall: 1) Several (actually, many) years ago a very few American Dealers bought up a huge supply of Nan-Tans ranging I quality from exquisite irons with their internal matrix of Widmenschtaten pattern exposed on the outer surface, triolite globules forming fantastic forms on the surfaces of some. 2) Some small Nan-Tans were 3 dimensional triangles and other geometric forms embodying the above mentioned patterns. (See my article on these fantastic beauties in an old issue of VOYAGE! - I believe the article had a silly title like Oh, those Nan-Tans! About that time I, personally sold out a relatively large and expensive assortment of such specimens - this was years ago) 3) These Nan-Tans are not cheep by any means 4) I have had two large Nan-Tans in my own collection for many years. San Diego is so rust producing I refuse to buy and sell (or to collect) sliced irons of any kind. However, of these two large Nan-Tans one has developed a fine coating of deep brown rust, but has lost none of its stunning surface features (many of which are quite minutely detailed) from flaking off surface pieces. It has merely oxidized. The other (with a hole) has only partially oxidized over the years and still shows mostly a shiny surface slightly oxidized, but mainly shiny. However, the reason it is difficult to sell quality Nan-Tans is the fact that having sold this huge quantity of quality Nan-Tans to a few dealers, many Chinese dealers then began to import huge quantities of Nan-Tan shale balls that, in fact, mostly consisted of oxidized, flaking garbage. These soon reached a market price of about $10 to $20 per LB but more importantly, formed an impression among collectors that this is what a Nan-Tan meteorite IS. Lastly, at the auction were only 3 very plane (but non-rusting) masses only one of which had one side that had an interesting surface pattern and they had all oxidized. Therefore, everyone associated them with the stereotype that has become the definition of Nan-Tan among collectors. I did not bid on them, myself, not because they weren't worth much more than they brought, but because they cannon be marketed to my customer base for anything close to what they are worth. Hope this explains why the auction produced such limited return on the 3 offered. Best wishes, Michael on 2/11/07 12:20 AM, Ma Lan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael and List, Pity that three pieces of nantans (57, 58, 59) were sold for just 2.5 cent per gram, much cheaper than any other meteorites. I don't know whether it's cheaper than a piece of pure iron. Wondering why we still call them meteorites since they are equal to meteowrongs from the point of the price. Pity again. Regards Ma Lan Beijing China Ma Lan 113 South Building No.5 Yongan Street Xuanwu District Beijing, China 100050 __ __ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html -- It is difficult to get a man to understand something if his salary depends on him not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair -- What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It is what we know for sure that just ain't so. - Josh Billings (but oft credited to Mark Twain) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION BID RESULTS
Dear list members, Due to interest in auction results, a lack of resistance to same on the part of dealers and in the interest of accuracy, the on line catalog now lists ALL FINAL BID PRICES. (The list is just below the catalog photos and listed items). I am human and there could be errors, but I believe all the prices listed are accurate. I will leave the results up through February. Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION REALIZATIONS
Dear Dean; I read your post top to bottom. I really enjoyed your comentary and agree with you completely. My experience and thoughts point toward your point of why hide the figures when they would boost the next auctions attendance and prices regardless of what the former hammer prices were. thanks for a very entertaining post, Dave F. dean bessey wrote: I hope I dont put myself in the middle of recent spats with this email but here goes anyway so I hope that I dont offend anybody here (But no apologies if I do). I am a dealer (Not much of a collector anymore - almost anything I own is for sale at the right price). I have been attending auctions of various sort (Coin, stamp, artifact, liquadation, ect) since I was 14 and so am very familiar with auctions so I am giving the opinion of a dealer who has attended or bid on many hundreds of auctions. Everybody knows that I sell lots of stuff other than meteorites. Just looking at my ebay auctions shows that. While I think that I do a good job of taking care of my customers it is all business to me. And my opinion is that the price realizations should be made public. (1)For one the meteorite auctions are an anomoly in that they dont get the price realized being publicly distributed. There might be laws concerning this also depending on where the auction is being administered. But most places freely give their prices realizes (Well, they might charge a small fee in a lot of cases - many auctions offer subscriptions which are similar priced as a magazine subscription) (2)You lose potentially valuable marketing. If you read coin and stamp newspapers they will cover the auctions and they highlight top lots. No newspaper will cover your auction if they cant list some realization highlights. They need to make their articles exciting. It wouldent look nice if the auctioneer said I dont want people to know what everybody paid). (3)Bloods auctions has become an important part of meteorite world. His first couple were growing pains with people sticking anything in as he was worried that the bidders would be happy and return next year but it has now evolved into an important auction with significant items being auctioned and an important part of the meteorite world (And meteorite history). I know people with collections (Whole libraries really) of old stamp and coin auctions and realizations going back decades. Its part of his reference material (And on exceptional material gives a possible chain of ownership - which might help find stolen items for example). There are not many meteorite auctions and in almost any type of collectible, auctions give an idea of what the market has been like over a peroid of time. This cannot be done without the prices realized. It is a general guide but also a source of newsworthy material. (4)Potential revenue loss. Large auction houses from christies to small mom and pop places often sell supscriptions that includes price realized. This probably will never apply to bloods auction but something in general (Especially for people who cant go to tucson) might be interested in a printed catalog. (5)Legalities and rip offs (No comparison to recent list postings intended). I have personally been ripped off in auctions before by auctioneers just selling me stuff at my top bid when it was supposed to be one increment over the high bidder. I would never have known without prices realized. I think bidders would have more confidence in the integrity of an auction with prices realized. Since blood dont own anything in his auction he dont have much incentive to scam bidders but as an auctioneer he is a part of the auctioneering community and knowledgable potential bidders are always on the lookout for scams. Switzerland has a law that it is illegal to do anything that might might in any way keep from maximun prices being attained in an auction. As a result switzerland is a major place for serious art and other type of auctions. Its well regulated and bidders trust the auctions that are there (As a funny example the philippine government has kilos and kilos of jewelry worth many millions of dollars from a former first lady that they want to auction off and they want a rule in place that she cant bid in an auction - but christies told them that this is illegal if they want the auction in switzerland as it might prevent getting the highest possible price). (6)Finally, the reason everybody is against showing price realizations. That it will drive prices down. Not sure why people have this attitude. Poor knowledge of auctions I guess. Auctions certainly dont drive down the price of picassos or other rare items. I always hear people telling me that they got the deal of a lifetime at some stamp or coin auction. They dont feel that the price has crashed and use it as a bargaining ply for other purchases. More of a bragging thing than anybody else. For example, assume a 10 gram piece of zagami fell through the cracks and somehow went in the tucson
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction Announcement
Greetings all, Those who know me may be aware I have been struggling with an illness that includes a bad cough and weakness for a few months. I have gone to a lung specialist for medication and last night spent the night in a sleep center studying my brain waves and breathing patterns (VERY weird) and will be using a breathing type device during sleep from now on. Anyway, the point of all this is I have been delayed in getting the auction catalog up on line in a timely manor. In addition, since the rent on the place I hold the auction has TRIPLED since last year, I have had to come up with some ways to cover that cost, and one of them is a graduated fee for sellers based on time they provide me with a list and quality jpg of their item(s). However, since I am late getting my catalog up (target date was Sept. 30!) I have decided to give a special to all list members who get me their item lists and JPGs before midnight, Sunday, Pacific time. They will get the lowest rate offered, which those who got in before Sept. 30 got - the same 10% I have charged all along. NOTE: Entries graduate as bidding time starts all the way up to 40% if you walk into the auction in the last 15 minutes before bidding begins. MANY people have done so in the past, and they will be helping to pay for the dramatic increase in overhead. I believe at the moment, a mere 15% is in effect - but as I said, for the weekend all list members get the 10% lowest possible commission rate. I do plan on having the catalog up within 72 hrs - in fact, I commit to doing so right now. However, I cannot guarantee ALL the photos will be up when I launch but several are in place all ready and I am working on it even now. I have 75 items to date, most of which have NO minimum bid and many of which are superb specimens (ie a 6.5g whole slice of LA 002 with no minimum - as well as many historic falls as well as super rare NWA Type specimens, etc). I am looking at limiting the catalog to 100 quality items and limit last minute entries to the highest quality specimens with little or no minimum. This should keep the auction snappy and ending at a reasonable hour - and I hope to have someone taking payments DURING the auction for those who only wanted to bid on one or two items and then leave as well as having two people cash out at the end (if possible). As always, I retain the right to decline any entries I believe would meet with less than enthusiastic response from bidders. This is always a balancing act between value, rarity and no or low minimum bidding, except in cases where the value or interest is so low I will not accept it even with no minimum. Any item must be one that stimulates interest. While photos do not have to be professional quality, they do need to be in focus and of reasonable quality. Please mark the SUBJECT box of your email entries, Tucson Auction. If you do not hear back from me within 12 hrs or less, your email got lost. Please use only JPGs and NOT Zip Files, as I cannot download most of them. Thanks! The catalog will be up SOON! Best wishes, Michael -- It is difficult to get a man to understand something if his salary depends on him not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair -- What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It is what we know for sure that just ain't so. - Josh Billings (but oft credited to Mark Twain) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list]TUCSON AUCTION 2007
Greetings all Meteorite friends, I am starting to get inquiries, so, just the bare bones info on the Tucson Auction 2007: -- FOR BIDDERS: - Oct 31: On line Catalog with all information - Auction for 2007 is Sat, Feb. 3, same time, same place (VFW Hall on Beverly) lectures by SWMC from 6 to 7PM - All items will be on display by 6:30PM at the latest. - Bidding opens at 7:30PM sharp - Bidders MUST sign in in person no one can sign in for anyone else buyers will be processed afterwords in the order they signed in, HOWEVER, I am arranging to have 2 and preferably 3 people taking payment from buyers after the bidding and one person taking payment during the auction, itself, for those who only want one or two items and then wish to leave. This should get everyone done in 30 to 40% of the time previously required. More information will be provided when the on- line catalog goes up Oct. 31. FOR SELLERS: It is that time of year! Time to submit items for the Tucson Auction. As such, you are aware that each of the last several years the auction has grown in terms of numbers attending, quality of items submitted and fun had by all. In addition, there has been a consistent increase in profitability for placing quality items in the auction, therefore, I now accept only pieces of quality for the auction. This year I am looking to present an even more impressive array of quality meteorite specimens and a similarly more impressive on-line catalog. To do this, I need anyone wishing to offer items to submit your list and photographs of high quality items in a timely manor. Particularly popular are historic falls, whatever the size, and the rarer, the more action generated. (as per the excellent responses the last couple of years to the exemplary entries of Martin Horejsi). Super rare classifications, such as the submissions of Adam and Greg Hupe also bring a strong response and of course the super beautiful specimens, such as those submitted by Eric Twelker in recent years also earn strong responses from the bidding crowd. My overhead TRIPLED since last year (and is now more than 10 times my cost the first couple of years), but I am determined to continue to attract the highest quality material so, in an attempt to keep everyone's costs at a minimum, I am continuing to keep the commission for auction sales at only 10% under the following conditions: People submitting an items by Oct. 15 - this includes high quality digital photos of their items. Furthermore, this 10% fee is reserved for items submitted for the on line catalog by Oct. 15th AND brought to the auction by the seller between 5 and 6:30 pm the day of the auction (Sat, Feb.3, 2007). There will be no exceptions. People bringing items into the auction after 6:30 PM will be automatically be charged 15% of sale price (even if they made the on line catalog deadline of Oct. 15). Therefore, please be sure to sign your contract prior to 6:30 PM. People giving me their items to bring for them (whether at the show or via mail) will pay a 20% commission. People submitting items for the catalog after Oct. 15 will be charged 15% commission and 20% if they fail to deliver the items at the auction by 6:30 PM. All submissions which are accepted by Oct. 15 will receive free advertising in the on line auction catalog. Submissions after that date are negotiable. Last minute submissions (the day of the auction) will be charged 20% if accepted and those submitted after 6:30 PM the day of the auction will be charged 25%. Day of auction submissions must be of the highest possible quality to gain acceptance. Any and all submissions at any time are subject to approval based on quality and having a low or no minimum bid. There will never be a hidden reserve on any item in my auctions. Since payment by credit card has become common at the auction, US sellers will be mailed full payment within 10 days of the auction. If payment is needed before that time, this needs to be negotiated in advance. Overseas sellers will be paid immediately after the auction or in their rooms the next day if they are at Inn Suites unless they have a particularly high priced item that sells by credit card. This is also an option for US sellers who have a dealer room at Inn Suites at which they want to meet me. Payment the night of the auction should be arranged in advance and is discouraged unless circumstances absolutely require it. Besides the credit card payments, this is to make for a shorter night and in that respect, I am working on having 2 or 3 people to accept payment from buyers after the bidding closes and one person to accept payment during the auction from bidders who were there for only one or two items and who want to leave after their purchase. This should dramatically streamline
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction entries and absentee bids (ad)
Greetings all, Absentee bidders should get their bids in TODAY. A few last minute entries came in just before I leave for the show: Particularly exciting is the Space Sphere with spectacular reentry ablation markings and micro meteoroid craters. Last year this was in the auction with a minimum below market price. However, it was still substantial. This year the seller is motivated and it will start at $2,000! (The few that have been available are generally $10K). Be sure to check out the recent entries at the end of the catalog and the equally exciting Lt #50 of the oriented Brenham. See lots of you there! Michael -- He is not a lover who does not love forever. - Euripides (485-406BC) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction the U of A SWMC talks
Hi all, Some people have contacted me asking me about NOT attending the talks. So, let me clarify for everyone the flexibility offered: The talks will be given OFF TO THE END OF THE HALL, or in the major recessed area, not in the main part of the room. The main part of the room will, as always, have the tables displaying the meteorites at auction. The 4 talks are each fifteen minute talks on 4 different topics regarding meteorites. (actually, 10 to 12 minutes, with time for questions after each). (Sponsored by: Southwest Meteorite Center, University of Arizona Department of Planetary Sciences Lunar and Planetary Laboratory) They are: 6:00 The Southwest Meteorite Center - Marvin Killgore 6:15 The Importance of Meteorites - Dante Lauretta U of A 6:30 The Classification of Meteorites - Linda Welzenbach USNM 6:45 The Nomenclature of Meteorites - Harold Connolly, Jr. AMNH The hall is large enough that those not interested in the lectures, will be undisturbed and can concentrate on the auction lots, friends food and/or drink. You are in no way expected to, obligated to or forced to attend ANY of the 4 talks, rather you can check the itinerary and choose for yourself whether to attend 1, 2, 3, all or none of them. There will be plenty of socializing, specimen inspection etc. for those not interested in the talks. This is an opportunity, not a requirement. Remember, the earlier you sign in, the earlier you check out at the conclusion of the bidding. I believe the last bidder was checked out before 10:30 last year and the room definitely sounded festive throughout the evening. Best wishes, Michael -- He is not a lover who does not love forever. - Euripides (485-406BC) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson auction
The Tucson Auction will be held Saturday, Feb 4, 7:30 PM VFW POST #4903 1150 N. Beverly (2 Bl. W. of Craycroft just North of Speedway) same location as last 2 years - Call for meteorite entries will be made soon. Best wishes, Michael on 9/21/05 4:15 AM, Jeffrey Shallit at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know the dates yet for next year's meteorite auctions in Tucson? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Beware the fury of a patient man. John Dryden -- http://costofwar.com/index-world-hunger.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Tucson auction absentee bids
Same here. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tracy latimer Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson auction absentee bids For the benefit of those of us who can't attend in person this year, would someone mind reviewing the guidelines for submitting absentee bids for any of the various Tucson auctions? I've already noted 2 or 3 attractive specimens I'd like a piece of the action on (crappy grammar, but you get the idea.) Thanks for your kokua, Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson auction absentee bids
Hi Tracy all, For absentee bids in my auction, please email or phone me directly. Thanks, Michael on 1/6/05 10:07 AM, tracy latimer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the benefit of those of us who can't attend in person this year, would someone mind reviewing the guidelines for submitting absentee bids for any of the various Tucson auctions? I've already noted 2 or 3 attractive specimens I'd like a piece of the action on (crappy grammar, but you get the idea.) Thanks for your kokua, Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson auction absentee bids
Hi Bernhad, Tracy all, I can't speak for other auctions, As for mine, there is a 5% buyers premium paid on all sales. If you use a credit card, there is an additional 5% to cover my costs of processing such payments. If you are an absentee bidder, there is a 5% absentee bid charge. This includes my mailing the piece to you - but not the actual cost of the mailing (and insurance). Therefore, if you place an absentee bid AND WIN THE BID, you pay the standard 5% buyers premium +5% for using a credit card +5% for handling + actual shipping and insurance. Someone contacted me asking what if they had a proxy present to bid for them and pay via cashier's check - no problem, then there is only the standard 5% buyers premium. If I know you, a personal check will do. No problemo. In fact, any absentee bidder I know who wants to mail me a blank check (signed) prior to the auction, I will fill the sucker in and you can save the 5% for use of credit card - I make no money on that and it is a pain not to be able to pay all sellers the night of the auction - though payment is only guaranteed within the week, nearly everyone prefers instant payment, understandably, and the number of credit card purchases is usually low enough that I can pay everyone immediately. If anyone still has questions, email me off list and I will be happy to go over every possible contingency. Also, I still only have about 82 items in the catalog and would love to have 125, so, please email me details on any great pieces you would like to sell along with a good jpgs. RSVP Best wishes, Michael on 1/6/05 10:32 AM, Bernhard Rems at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same here. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tracy latimer Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson auction absentee bids For the benefit of those of us who can't attend in person this year, would someone mind reviewing the guidelines for submitting absentee bids for any of the various Tucson auctions? I've already noted 2 or 3 attractive specimens I'd like a piece of the action on (crappy grammar, but you get the idea.) Thanks for your kokua, Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION - On line catalog started (AD)
Greetings all, For those interested in seeing the first 35 items already submitted for the Tucson Auction (Sat, Feb.5th) , go to: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/AuctionTucson05.html and hit the link for the On Line Catalog. The first 35 photos are up and an additional 30 items are listed (Their photos will be up shortly). People interested in listing items need to submit forthwith. Items with no minimum will be given preference, as will items of exceptional quality and a low opening minimum. Items not meeting these criteria are subject to rejection. However, the sooner the submission, the greater the likelihood of acceptance. As you can see, there are numerous excellent specimens with no minimum at all. This should make for an exciting event. I will be posting photos to the site as quickly as possible, so the site should have tons of photos in the immediate future. Note: you can click on the small image to see a much larger image of each item. Please contact me off list for absentee bids or to list items for sale. Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction - 14 more items (ad)
Where are these listed Michael.. I have 11g NWA 989..but..no cat mountain..Is it expensive? I guess so.. I thought Steve Arnold had it all... oh well.. Rosie - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 1:24 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction - 14 more items (ad) Hi all, Yesterday I put up 5 new pieces and just now finished putting up 9 more - all are really cool (I WANT most of this stuff for my own collection!) - but you GOTTA check out NWA 989 (CV3)! It is SO cool - but so is the Cat Mountain and Itqity and the unnamed LL3.1 and. Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies. - Friedrich Nietzsche -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satelite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Cool Calendar Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction update
Just wanted to remind everyone that the 1.6 million dollar meteorite auction on eBay is coming to a close shortly ( #2150668360). I plan on bidding 4 million for this one, so if you are going to snipe me, please let me know! It will take up most of my Tucson funds, but a rock of this historical value only shows up once in a blue moon. I only can hope that the seller discloses who the owner is. After this is in my collection, I might run for president! Have a great weekend! - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:04 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction update Hi all, Hope everyone is having a great holiday season. Here are a couple of dozen photos of the first consignments to come in. Man, there are some GREAT ones - and many are with NO minimum or reserve! I should be able to upload a couple dozen more in the next 24 to 48 hrs and then another dozen or so before New Years. http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Tucson%20Auction.html Best wishes, Michael Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies. - Friedrich Nietzsche -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satelite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Cool Calendar Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction update
Hello List members; I only can hope that the seller discloses who the owner is. It has to be Hilary Clinton! New York presidential hopeful. Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the I.M.C.A. #6168 From: Carl Saconn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction update Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 08:38:31 -0500 Just wanted to remind everyone that the 1.6 million dollar meteorite auction on eBay is coming to a close shortly ( #2150668360). I plan on bidding 4 million for this one, so if you are going to snipe me, please let me know! It will take up most of my Tucson funds, but a rock of this historical value only shows up once in a blue moon. I only can hope that the seller discloses who the owner is. After this is in my collection, I might run for president! Have a great weekend! - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:04 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction update Hi all, Hope everyone is having a great holiday season. Here are a couple of dozen photos of the first consignments to come in. Man, there are some GREAT ones - and many are with NO minimum or reserve! I should be able to upload a couple dozen more in the next 24 to 48 hrs and then another dozen or so before New Years. http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Tucson%20Auction.html Best wishes, Michael Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies. - Friedrich Nietzsche -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satelite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Cool Calendar Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemailxAPID=42PS=47575PI=7324DI=7474SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsgHL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction
Hi All, Just to let everyone know, there will be a display of the featured specimens for my Feb. 8 auction in the week proceeding the auction in Room 316 at Inn Suites. This is the room the Labenne's occupied the last few years, and this year will be occupied by Eric Olson, Mike Farmer Jim Strope. So, you can kill two birds with one stone and drop by to see the special specimens that will be in my auction and see what Eric and Mike are offering this year at the show. More details will follow, later, Michael Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again. -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satelite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
