[uf-discuss] rel-tag name case-sensitivity
Hello, Since rel-tag relies on URLs for its tag names, I wonder whether or not rel-tag was designed with case-sensitivity in mind (as URLs are case-sensitive) i.e. whether http://technorati.com/search/microformat is a different tag than http://technorati.com/search/Microformat Technorati seems to do its search case-insensitive so am I right to assume that tag names behave the same? If thats how it is it would be helpful to mention this at the Specification. Thanks, Wolfgang ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Getting started with microformats
Hi, Relatively new subscriber here. Sorry for the lag in this response. On 9 Aug 2006, at 18:41, Chris Messina wrote: We could offer either a case study (XCorp started by locating all references to people and locations on their website. They then marked up their pages using hcard. Specifically, this is the code they changed...) I've been puzzling over this for a while. I'd like to offer an hcard but ... In my case, there is a set of key individuals who, for operational reasons, are not directly contactable. Specifically, they choose not to publish their email address or direct line number. An assistant's name, email and direct line is advertised as the point of contact for the key individual. I don't see any way of expressing this adequately using μf. Or have I just not thought hard enough? Cheers, Graham Higgins. ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Getting started with microformats
I did think about using the agent field --- unfortunately, in this instance John Smith is (in real life) an agent and John Doe is the agent's assistant. I have a feeling that using the agent's agent field for the agent's assistant's hcard or the associate agent's hcard is just going to cause confusion all round. The vCard 'agent' field strongly means that the enclosed vCard is an assistant or proxy of the main vCard, it doesn't mean 'agent' in any of the other senses of the name. This type typically is used to specify an area administrator, assistant, or secretary for the individual associated with the vCard. A key characteristic of the Agent type is that it represents somebody or something that is separately addressable. Looks like it's an unfortunate semantic conflation which is restricted to this particular domain of discourse. I suppose if you're using 'agent' to mean something else then yeah, but that's a risk that all the microformat class names run. -Ciaran ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] citation: another example of practice in the wild
On 8/16/06, Michael McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I missed that, it does. I think we'd have to use it as a child element on the link: a href=link-to-fulltext class=identifierabbr class=format title=application/pdfPDF/abbr full text link/a I think it would be better to mark that up as a href=link-to-fulltext class=identifier type=application/pdffull text link/a. No sense reinventing things that already exist in HTML. - David ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Getting started with microformats
On 8/17/06, Ciaran McNulty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe the markup looks something like: div class=vcard span class=fnJohn Smith/span can be reached via his secretary span class=agent vcard span class=fnJohn Doe/span on span class=tel020 /span /span /div See http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#2.4.2_VCARD A smart parser will convert that correctly and I suspect even a slightly more simplistic parser would manage to churn out two vCards with the same telephone number for both parties. Would this not be subjected to the same parsing issues as nested hCards in general (see http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-August/005130.html)? I'd think a smart parser could properly deal with nested hCards, but Brian seemed pretty convinced any parser would mess things up. - David ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Getting started with microformats
On 17 Aug 2006, at 14:03, Ciaran McNulty wrote: I did think about using the agent field --- unfortunately, in this instance John Smith is (in real life) an agent ... The vCard 'agent' field strongly means that the enclosed vCard is an assistant or proxy of the main vCard, it doesn't mean 'agent' in any of the other senses of the name. Well yes, that is strictly true in the context of RFC 2426 but it does seem to be a somewhat infelicitous choice of label, given that it is a user-facing data structure. This type typically is used to specify an area administrator, assistant, or secretary for the individual associated with the vCard. Thanks for drawing my attention to that, fie on me for missing it the first time through. A key characteristic of the Agent type is that it represents somebody or something that is separately addressable. Just in case I've misunderstood: in this context, does your understanding of the term addressable yield any special meaning beyond the generic capable of being manipulated independently? The term doesn't seem to be defined any more precisely in the RFC and I rather hoped to be able to provide the URI of an hCard for transclusion. Anyway, reporting back: thanks for the assist. I now have a chunk of XHTML which can be processed by Brian Souda's xhtml2vcard parser (mostly) correctly - the hcard owner is incorrectly assigned the agent's title --- the agent template of the xsl stylesheet is commented out with a remark referencing further work to be done. The XHTML can also be processed (mostly) correctly by Tantek's favelet (which uses the technorati stylesheets) --- the agent fn is omitted from the vCard but I couldn't say whether this is expected behaviour. For my own purposes, I rectified the omission by adding it in a note. Thanks again, Graham. ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
