Re: pf: blocklists
http://www.openbsd.org/spamd/ On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:58 AM, nixlists wrote: > Does anyone use blocklists of addresses for blocking spam and other > unwanted traffic, such as those from okean and other places? How do > you manage download and conversion/loading of blocklists? > Automatically through scripts or manually? . > > Thanks. > > -- http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html
Re: How to create an installation image of OpenBSD for a USB stick?
Hi, > I have a pretty tricky challenge before me. My main (and only) machine is a > Lenovo Thinkpad X200s. The problem is that it doesn't have an optical drive. > Second problem is that I live in a dorn, so I only have access to wireless > connection, not wired. And I want to install OpenBSD to a laptop that is > currently running Debian Linux. Not tricky at all, look at liveusb-openbsd.sf.net You find images ready to install on USB there, different sizes of live images and also an installation image. On the page you find also _very_ simple advice of how to create these images for yourself using qemu, i.e. if you want to run -current. I used the live image to test if my hardware works (it did - Asus EEE 901) and then created a -current installation USB stick. regards Matthias
Re: FWIW Current snapshot Apache/PHP buggy
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:37:23 -0600 Vijay Sankar wrote: > I have problems running Horde on 4.7 -beta i386. The /var/www/tmp > directory gets filled with sess_ files and there is no output on any > of the frames. 4.7-beta is not very precise, date of snapshot build or cvs checkoutwould help. There has been an ABI change for apache. > > I am using the following packages > > php5-core-5.2.12server-side HTML-embedded scripting language Because of the changes to apache, you need recompiled packages/modules. The php5 port is at p1. So my guess is that that's the problem you are hitting. i386 packages on ftp.openbsd.org are dated 1st of march, those should be new enough to work with -current apache. (Check if your mirror has that package build.) - Robert
Re: Make "don't know how to make"
> make depend: > make: don't know how to make ../../../../arch/sparc/sparc/auxreg.c. Stop in > /disk2/sys/arch/sparc/compile/GENERIC. > > Suggestions? Try `rm -f .depend' before running `make depend'.
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Re: Make "don't know how to make"
Alex Carver wrote: > I'm trying to recompile my generic sparc kernel to make use of some > /dev/cua* patches that were sent to me on the list not too long ago but > now I'm running into a problem with make. > > When I first received the patches, things were mostly working but I was > running out of memory and swap space (small machine) so a lot of the > build was failing. But make did work at that time. > > Now, the only thing different about the system is that I added another > hard drive and mounted the entire space as swap. > > The root is on disk /dev/sd1a. That drive is a bit small so there's a > second drive that is holding the source code for the kernel. It is > /dev/sd2a and is mounted at /disk2. I also have a symlink from > /usr/src/sys pointing to /disk2/sys where the kernel source is located. > > When I first tried (prior to discovering I ran out of memory and swap), > I was going to /usr/src/sys/arch/sparc/compile/GENERIC (I had already > run "config GENERAL") and then make clean && make depend && make. > Everything seemed to work ok other than running out of memory. > > Now, after the new swap drive (/dev/sd3a) was added, I get the following: > > make clean works > > make depend: > make: don't know how to make ../../../../arch/sparc/sparc/auxreg.c. Stop > in /disk2/sys/arch/sparc/compile/GENERIC. > > Suggestions? are you running current? if so: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html#20100203 -- DISCLAIMER: http://goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/ This message will self-destruct in 3 seconds.
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Make "don't know how to make"
I'm trying to recompile my generic sparc kernel to make use of some /dev/cua* patches that were sent to me on the list not too long ago but now I'm running into a problem with make. When I first received the patches, things were mostly working but I was running out of memory and swap space (small machine) so a lot of the build was failing. But make did work at that time. Now, the only thing different about the system is that I added another hard drive and mounted the entire space as swap. The root is on disk /dev/sd1a. That drive is a bit small so there's a second drive that is holding the source code for the kernel. It is /dev/sd2a and is mounted at /disk2. I also have a symlink from /usr/src/sys pointing to /disk2/sys where the kernel source is located. When I first tried (prior to discovering I ran out of memory and swap), I was going to /usr/src/sys/arch/sparc/compile/GENERIC (I had already run "config GENERAL") and then make clean && make depend && make. Everything seemed to work ok other than running out of memory. Now, after the new swap drive (/dev/sd3a) was added, I get the following: make clean works make depend: make: don't know how to make ../../../../arch/sparc/sparc/auxreg.c. Stop in /disk2/sys/arch/sparc/compile/GENERIC. Suggestions?
Re: Opteron 250 Overheating
>> Henning Brauer wrote: >> >* Jeff Ross [2010-03-02 16:59]: >> >>I bought a replacement supermicro motherboard off fleabay that has >> >>dual Opteron 250 @2.4GHz. The cpus have passive heatsinks, it is in >> >>a supermicro 2U chassis with 4 front fans. >> > >> >do you have the air shroud? this plastic thing that forms a "tunnel" >> >over the heatsinks? it is required. >> > >> >> No, the motherboard didn't come with that. If I can find one will >> that mean I don't need the active heatsinks? > >that's how supermicro delivers the 2U systems, so i'd say yes, you won't need them. I had this problem before, an old Cereal box + Scissors + tape fixed it right up. But your mileage may vary
Re: How to create an installation image of OpenBSD for a USB stick?
Ilya Ilembitov wrote: > Hi, all. > > I have a pretty tricky challenge before me. My main (and only) > machine is a Lenovo Thinkpad X200s. The problem is that it doesn't > have an optical drive. Second problem is that I live in a dorn, so > I only have access to wireless connection, not wired. And I want to > install OpenBSD to a laptop that is currently running Debian Linux. > > > Googling didn't give me any proper answer. Turns out, nearly every > BSD favour (FreeBSD, NetBSD, DragonFly BSD) has either an image for > sticks or some straightawy script to get the job done. But not > OpenBSD. Isn't it cool how we use the EXACT SAME process to build a USB stick as we use to build a hard disk, isn't it? And that same stick can be used for running or installing? It's the Unix Way -- simple tools usable in powerful ways. Sad that those other OSs need Special Procedures and Images to build a flash booting system. What's next, different installers for IDE and SCSI disks? (I'm installing Solaris on a machine right now. I'm NOT in a good mood about crappy installers at the moment) > All I could find was: -involving a second machine running > OpenBSD for network installation -involving a second machine > running OpenBSD to create the flash using installboot and some > other BSD-specific tools. oh, you were complaining about that feature? huh. > Seems like in most cases people install OpenBSD on diskless laptops > when it comes to netbooks but not primary machines. Which is not my > case. no idea what you said there, but I'm pretty sure it is quite wrong. After all the time I've spent saying "workstation/server, what's the difference?", now you are splitting a line between primary machines and laptops or between netbooks and laptops... > Is there a script of some sort that could convert an OpenBSD > install46.iso to an img file for a stick using some more common > (non-BSD specific) tools? The best howto I could find is this one: > http://www.azbsd.org/~marco/openbsd/flashkeyinstaller/ But it > involves installboot and some other tools that are not available on > a GNU system. What could I do? Or perhaps somebody could create and > host an image (with all the filesets for 4.6) or just put it on > some filehosting service? It's still just some 250-300 megs. There's a really simple solution, it's called "a friend" (I know, strange concept to some of us in the computer world. Best explanation I can give is someone whom you have fixed their computer, they might otherwise have no reason to talk to you, but now they might actually feel an obligation to tolerate you, and might be willing to help you in gratitude). You ask to borrow the friend's computer (which has a CDR drive), ask them to burn you the image, then ask them to let you boot that disk and install to your USB flash drive: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#noflopcd http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#flashmemLive Other than the ISO file, you write nothing to their disk, and you can burn the ISO from any OS you want, and that OS is not involved in the flash disk creation process in any way. The machine you install the flash drive on doesn't even have to be able to boot from a USB drive. As someone who helps with release testing, I can assure you, I DO NOT want to see Yet Another Install Media that does something that can't be done easily with the existing tools. Nick.
pf: blocklists
Does anyone use blocklists of addresses for blocking spam and other unwanted traffic, such as those from okean and other places? How do you manage download and conversion/loading of blocklists? Automatically through scripts or manually? . Thanks.
Re: How to create an installation image of OpenBSD for a USB stick?
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Ron McDowell wrote: > I have used UNetbootin http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ to build an > OpenBSD USB stick image from the OpenBSD ISO image. I don't remember > the exact details, but it was pretty straightforward. I built it on a > friend's XP machine but looks like there's a Linux version too. > The Linux version works well - it will build bootable USB image from any bootable ISO. Lee
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Re: OpenBSD binpatch autogen.pl
Hello, My attachment was stripped out. here is autogen.pl a Makefile generator for binpatch-1.1.0. #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; my $SITE="ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub";; if(@ARGV==1){ $SITE=$ARGV[0]; }else{ printf("binpatch Makefile skelton(s) generator.\n"); printf("example usage: perl $0 ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub\n";); exit(0); } my $OSREV=`uname -r`; chomp $OSREV; my $ARCH=`uname -m`; chomp $ARCH; my @list=("common",$ARCH); if (! -e "$OSREV.tar.gz"){ system("ftp $SITE/OpenBSD/patches/$OSREV.tar.gz"); } system("tar zxvf $OSREV.tar.gz"); my $mk; open($mk,">Makefile") or die; printf($mk "MASTER_SITE_OPENBSD=$SITE\n"); my $sh; open($sh,"|sort -n > make.sh") or die; for(@list){ my $arch=$_; my @patches; my $dir; opendir($dir,"$OSREV/$arch"); for(sort readdir $dir){ if(/^(.+).patch$/){ $_=$1; push @patches,$_; /^(\d+)/; printf($sh "make PATCH=\"%s\" build plist package install\n",$1); } } closedir($dir); printf($mk "PATCH_%s=%s\n","\U$arch",join(" ",@patches)); } close($sh); for(@list){ my $arch=$_; my $dir; opendir($dir,"$OSREV/$arch") or die; for(sort readdir $dir){ next if !/^(.+).patch$/; my $name=$1; my $file=$_; my $fh; open($fh,"$OSREV/$arch/$file") or die; my $flag=0; my $ldir="."; while(<$fh>){ chomp; if(/^Index:/ or /^\-\-\-/){ printf($mk "\n"); last; } if($flag==2){ if(/cd (.+)/){ $ldir.="/".$1; $ldir=~s/\/\.\//\//g; $ldir=~s/^\.\///; do{}while($ldir=~s/[^\/]+\/\.\.\///g); $dir='${WRKSRC}/'.$ldir; s/cd (.+)/cd $dir/; } s/make obj/\${_obj}/; s/make cleandir/\${_cleandir}/; s/make clean/\${_cleandir}/; s/make depend/\${_depend}/; s/make includes/\${_includes}/; s/make build/\${_build}/; s/make install/\${_install}/; s/make -f Makefile.bsd-wrapper obj/\${_obj_wrp}/; s/make -f Makefile.bsd-wrapper cleandir/\${_cleandir_wrp}/; s/make -f Makefile.bsd-wrapper clean/\${_cleandir_wrp}/; s/make -f Makefile.bsd-wrapper depend/\${_depend_wrp}/; s/make -f Makefile.bsd-wrapper install/\${_install_wrp}/; s/make -f Makefile.bsd-wrapper build/\${_build_wrp}/; s/make -f Makefile.bsd-wrapper/\${_build_wrp}/; s/make/\${_build}/; if(/_install/){ $_=""; } s/^\s+//; s/\s+$//; if(!/^$/){ if(/^cd/){ printf($mk "\t$_ \&\& \\\n\t("); }elsif(/_build/){ printf($mk "%s)\n",$_); }else{ printf($mk "%s; ",$_); } } } if(/then.*build.*install.*kernel/i){ printf($mk "$name: _kernel\n"); $flag=3; }elsif(/then.*build.*install/i){ printf($mk "$name:\n"); $flag=1; } if(/:/ and $flag==1){ $flag=2; } } close($fh); } } printf($mk ".include \"bsd.binpatch.mk\"\n"); close($mk); On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 11:22:31 -0700 Barry Grumbine wrote: > Hello, > > Your post to to misc@openbsd.org could not have been more timely. > I've just started setting up binpatch and am at the point where I have > to translate patch file instructions into Makefile commands. > > I would like to have a look at autogen.pl but the attachment was > stripped out of your e-mail by the mailing list. > > Would you please send it to me, and/or post another message to misc@ > with the text of autogen.pl inline with the message. > > > Thanks, > > Barry > -- G Otsuji
Re: Dump levels ?
On 04/03/10 01:21, Jean-Francois wrote: A level 0 dumps includes all files. A level n dump are all the files that have changed or were added since the last level n - 1 dump. -Otto Are all dump levels packed into the same one file like I seem to understand ? As far as I am concerned I dump in this way : dump -0u -f /mnt/backup/backup /mnt/donnees/ dump -1u -f /mnt/backup/backup /mnt/donnees/ ... This is correct, is'nt it ? Regards. That's incorrect. In your first command you do a full backup of /mnt/donnees and save it to the file /mnt/backup/backup. With your second command you do an incremental backup which saves only the changed files between the first backup and now. You save it on the same file which means that you overwrite/delete the first backup. If you wanted to restore something you would be able to restore only the changed files between first and second backup. You need to have both files (stored separately) to do full -current (tm) restore of your files. If you wander why to use different dump levels the answer is for organizing the backup policy and saving a hell lot of space/tapes than doing always full backups. regards, Giannis
Re: How to create an installation image of OpenBSD for a USB stick?
I have used UNetbootin http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ to build an OpenBSD USB stick image from the OpenBSD ISO image. I don't remember the exact details, but it was pretty straightforward. I built it on a friend's XP machine but looks like there's a Linux version too. -- Ron McDowell San Antonio TX shweg...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Ilya Ilembitov wrote: Hi, all. I have a pretty tricky challenge before me. My main (and only) machine is a Lenovo Thinkpad X200s. The problem is that it doesn't have an optical drive. Second problem is that I live in a dorn, so I only have access to wireless connection, not wired. And I want to install OpenBSD to a laptop that is currently running Debian Linux. Googling didn't give me any proper answer. Turns out, nearly every BSD favour (FreeBSD, NetBSD, DragonFly BSD) has either an image for sticks or some straightawy script to get the job done. But not OpenBSD. All I could find was: -involving a second machine running OpenBSD for network installation -involving a second machine running OpenBSD to create the flash using installboot and some other BSD-specific tools. Seems like in most cases people install OpenBSD on diskless laptops when it comes to netbooks but not primary machines. Which is not my case. Is there a script of some sort that could convert an OpenBSD install46.iso to an img file for a stick using some more common (non-BSD specific) tools? The best howto I could find is this one: http://www.azbsd.org/~marco/openbsd/flashkeyinstaller/ But it involves installboot and some other tools that are not available on a GNU system. What could I do? Or perhaps somebody could create and host an image (with all the filesets for 4.6) or just put it on some filehosting service? It's still just some 250-300 megs. -- wbr, Ilembitov I have a Thinkpad x200 Don't you have access to an external drive? You could install OpenBSD in a virtual machine, and make up the usb disk from there. You could also try this http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ I think I used it to use gpart.
Re: FWIW Current snapshot Apache/PHP buggy
Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:01:20 + (UTC) Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2010-02-27, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:58:30 -0500 Dan Harnett wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 03:30:47AM -0700, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: I've just installed a server using current and have found that there are problems with session_destroy(); such that is just does not work. The Apache is the installed (1.3) version and PHP is from packages. I have tested the same software and setup on a 4.5 Release (no patches) and there are no problems with sessions. Can you provide any more detail? session_destroy() appears to work fine with the i386 snap dated 2/23/2010 and latest php5-core snapshot package. I mebbe spoke to soon to be conclusive... as of now I am still looking under rocks... the problem exhibits on a clean 4.5-Release install but not on my (semi stock) 4.5 development box. sessions were broken in PHP in 4.5 release, you need to compile from -stable ports (or move to -current after the next package snapshot for your arch has been built). How wide is this problem? I started out with a 4.6 current, which didn't work, then 4.5 release... sessions are a fairly important php feature. What has me bugged here is that I have a 4.5 system that works fine, but it is not just release, and has had apache2.2 installed on it (my devsys...) and runable. Thanks for any help. Dhu On 4.6 amd64 -current kern.version= OpenBSD 4.6-current (GENERIC.MP) #0: Wed Nov 25 17:27:29 CST 2009 r...@amd64.sankars.local:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP PHP sessions worked fine. I am able to run Horde with postgresql DB and OpenBSD httpd on that system. I have problems running Horde on 4.7 -beta i386. The /var/www/tmp directory gets filled with sess_ files and there is no output on any of the frames. I am using the following packages php5-core-5.2.12server-side HTML-embedded scripting language php5-gd-5.2.12 image manipulation extensions for php5 php5-imap-5.2.12imap, pop3 and nntp extensions for php5 php5-ldap-5.2.12ldap protocol extensions for php5 php5-mbstring-5.2.12 multibyte characters extensions for php5 php5-mcrypt-5.2.12 mcrypt encryption/decryption extensions for php5 php5-mhash-5.2.12 mhash extensions for php5 php5-pgsql-5.2.12 pgsql database access extensions for php5 php5-tidy-5.2.12tidy HTML cleaner bindings Please let me know if there is any tests that I can help with. Thanks, Vijay -- Vijay Sankar, M.Eng., P.Eng. ForeTell Technologies Limited 59 Flamingo Avenue, Winnipeg, MB, Canada R3J 0X6 Phone: (204) 885-9535, E-Mail: vsan...@foretell.ca
Re: Dump levels ?
Le Jeudi 18 Fivrier 2010 23:02:38, Otto Moerbeek a icrit : > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:54:55PM +0100, Jean-Francois wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Is it possible to clarify what resides behind the concept of levels > > regarding dump(8) ? > > For me the level 0 is understood to be a complete dump of all files on at > > a given mount point and all subdirectories. But I can't figure out what > > upper levels are. > > > > Regards > > A level 0 dumps includes all files. A level n dump are all the files > that have changed or were added since the last level n - 1 dump. > > -Otto Are all dump levels packed into the same one file like I seem to understand ? As far as I am concerned I dump in this way : dump -0u -f /mnt/backup/backup /mnt/donnees/ dump -1u -f /mnt/backup/backup /mnt/donnees/ ... This is correct, is'nt it ? Regards.
OpenBSD and DSCP field
Hello, I was wondering is there any chance that in the future (close or far) OpenBSD shall be able to modify (preferred from pf) the DSCP field ? Thanks & keep it up. Claudiu Pruna.
Re: How to create an installation image of OpenBSD for a USB stick?
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Ilya Ilembitov wrote: Hi, all. I have a pretty tricky challenge before me. My main (and only) machine is a Lenovo Thinkpad X200s. The problem is that it doesn't have an optical drive. Second problem is that I live in a dorn, so I only have access to wireless connection, not wired. And I want to install OpenBSD to a laptop that is currently running Debian Linux. Googling didn't give me any proper answer. Turns out, nearly every BSD favour (FreeBSD, NetBSD, DragonFly BSD) has either an image for sticks or some straightawy script to get the job done. But not OpenBSD. All I could find was: -involving a second machine running OpenBSD for network installation -involving a second machine running OpenBSD to create the flash using installboot and some other BSD-specific tools. Seems like in most cases people install OpenBSD on diskless laptops when it comes to netbooks but not primary machines. Which is not my case. Is there a script of some sort that could convert an OpenBSD install46.iso to an img file for a stick using some more common (non-BSD specific) tools? The best howto I could find is this one: http://www.azbsd.org/~marco/openbsd/flashkeyinstaller/ But it involves installboot and some other tools that are not available on a GNU system. What could I do? Or perhaps somebody could create and host an image (with all the filesets for 4.6) or just put it on some filehosting service? It's still just some 250-300 megs. -- wbr, Ilembitov I have a Thinkpad x200 Don't you have access to an external drive? You could install OpenBSD in a virtual machine, and make up the usb disk from there. You could also try this http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ I think I used it to use gpart.
How to create an installation image of OpenBSD for a USB stick?
Hi, all. I have a pretty tricky challenge before me. My main (and only) machine is a Lenovo Thinkpad X200s. The problem is that it doesn't have an optical drive. Second problem is that I live in a dorn, so I only have access to wireless connection, not wired. And I want to install OpenBSD to a laptop that is currently running Debian Linux. Googling didn't give me any proper answer. Turns out, nearly every BSD favour (FreeBSD, NetBSD, DragonFly BSD) has either an image for sticks or some straightawy script to get the job done. But not OpenBSD. All I could find was: -involving a second machine running OpenBSD for network installation -involving a second machine running OpenBSD to create the flash using installboot and some other BSD-specific tools. Seems like in most cases people install OpenBSD on diskless laptops when it comes to netbooks but not primary machines. Which is not my case. Is there a script of some sort that could convert an OpenBSD install46.iso to an img file for a stick using some more common (non-BSD specific) tools? The best howto I could find is this one: http://www.azbsd.org/~marco/openbsd/flashkeyinstaller/ But it involves installboot and some other tools that are not available on a GNU system. What could I do? Or perhaps somebody could create and host an image (with all the filesets for 4.6) or just put it on some filehosting service? It's still just some 250-300 megs. -- wbr, Ilembitov
Re: Filtering based on MAC adress
Thank you for your help in understanding. I want to configure a NAT between int_if and ext_if and filter based on MAC address. I was going to proceed as follows, but after reading bridge(4) man page I understand that the following won't work. If the bridge0 has only one member, int_if, it will never accept the packets but broadcast, in this case it will not tag them either. Is it correct and how to proceed in that case ? I would like to tag packets based on their MAC address. re0 : int_if sis0 : ext_if nat on ext_if from int_if -> ext_if int_if member of bridge0 brconfig bridge0 rule pass in on re0 src 1:2:3:4:5:6 tag allowed Regards.
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Re: Filtering based on MAC adress
> What is the reason why some packets passing on re0 will not be seen on > bridge0 > given I set up the following configuration : > > bridgename.bridge0 > add re0 > up > > I expected to see all the packets passing on re0 on bridge0 too which is > obviously not the case. That would be wrong. The bridge is a bridge, not a virtual software switch. It decides not to forward packets which don't need to hit the other segments. This is described very well in the manual page. > > # brconfig > bridge0: flags=141 > priority 32768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15 maxage 20 holdcnt 6 proto rstp > re0 flags=3 > port 2 ifpriority 0 ifcost 0 > Addresses (max cache: 100, timeout: 240): > 00:1f:d0:d0:db:59 re0 1 flags=0<> > 00:22:b0:de:32:60 re0 1 flags=0<> > > # ifconfig > re0: flags=8b43 mtu > 1500 > lladdr 00:09:55:a9:72:81 > priority: 0 > groups: egress > media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT full-duplex,rxpause,txpause) > status: active > inet6 fe80::208:55ff:aea8:7281%re0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 > inet 10.0.1.44 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 10.0.1.255 > enc0: flags=0<> mtu 1536 > priority: 0 > bridge0: flags=141 mtu 1500 > priority: 0 > groups: bridge > pflog0: flags=141 mtu 33200 > priority: 0 > groups: pflog > > Regards.
Re: Filtering based on MAC adress
Hi, What is the reason why some packets passing on re0 will not be seen on bridge0 given I set up the following configuration : bridgename.bridge0 add re0 up I expected to see all the packets passing on re0 on bridge0 too which is obviously not the case. # brconfig bridge0: flags=141 priority 32768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15 maxage 20 holdcnt 6 proto rstp re0 flags=3 port 2 ifpriority 0 ifcost 0 Addresses (max cache: 100, timeout: 240): 00:1f:d0:d0:db:59 re0 1 flags=0<> 00:22:b0:de:32:60 re0 1 flags=0<> # ifconfig re0: flags=8b43 mtu 1500 lladdr 00:09:55:a9:72:81 priority: 0 groups: egress media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT full-duplex,rxpause,txpause) status: active inet6 fe80::208:55ff:aea8:7281%re0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 inet 10.0.1.44 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 10.0.1.255 enc0: flags=0<> mtu 1536 priority: 0 bridge0: flags=141 mtu 1500 priority: 0 groups: bridge pflog0: flags=141 mtu 33200 priority: 0 groups: pflog Regards.
Re: File Server: fsck, memory requirements and large disk drives
Thanks for your replies. I learned a lot from them. I probably end up using multiple larger but manageable partitions until I learn enough about ZFS or another alternative. At least I know what issues I currently have. Maybe a manual fsck would be appropriate to see if checking the disks is possible in a reasonable time. Richard Toohey wrote: >cpu0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class) 3GHz >... >real mem = 1071722496 (1022MB) Richard, we envy you. Or better said I should spend some money on decent hardware instead of using old stuff all the time. cpu0: Intel Pentium III ("GenuineIntel" 686-class, 128KB L2 cache) 698 MHz ... real mem = 535392256 (510MB) avail mem = 509263872 (485MB) ... em0 at pci1 dev 10 function 0 "Intel PRO/1000MT (82540EM)" rev 0x02: irq 5, ... wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 238475MB, 488397168 sectors wd0(pciide0:0:0): using BIOS timings, Ultra-DMA mode 6 wd1 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0: wd1: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 1430799MB, 2930277168 sectors wd1(pciide0:1:0): using BIOS timings, Ultra-DMA mode 6 wd2 at pciide1 channel 0 drive 0: wd2: 16-sector PIO, LBA, 114473MB, 234441648 sectors wd2(pciide1:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 4 wd3 at pciide1 channel 0 drive 1: wd3: 16-sector PIO, LBA, 58644MB, 120103200 sectors wd3(pciide1:0:1): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 4 wd4 at pciide1 channel 1 drive 0: wd4: 16-sector PIO, LBA, 76319MB, 156301488 sectors wd4(pciide1:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 4 ... spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x50: 256MB SDRAM non-parity PC133CL2 spdmem1 at iic0 addr 0x51: 256MB SDRAM non-parity PC133CL2 I know that's probably a lot of drives for the standard power supply the "desktop" computer has. It's certainly a point of failure that my UPS won't take care of.
Re: 802.11QinQ support
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Andrew Fresh wrote: > On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 06:36:05PM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote: >> Does anyone know off hand if OpenBSD 4.6 or -CURRENT supports >> 802.1QinQ aka netsted VLans? >> >> If so, how do I configure it as I've tried the usual "ifconfig vlan? >> create" and tried stipulating that the secondary VLan's parent >> interface it the primary VLan interface. But this doesn't seem to work >> :( > > I have been able to QinQ. > > # ifconfig vlan101 vlandev bce0 > # ifconfig vlan201 vlandev vlan101 > > vlan101: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > B B B B vlan: 101 priority: 0 parent interface: bce0 > vlan201: flags=8843 mtu 1496 > B B B B vlan: 201 priority: 0 parent interface: vlan101 > > A tcpdump when I actually tried it showed the nested vlans although I > seem to have lost them. Sweet its working,... Didn't know I could just do a ifconfig ... Thx for the help!
Re: IP Aliasing with DHCP Click to flag this post
>> vether(4) > It should, but I think a few more things need to get fixed before > that. The bridge is not very efficient, though. Do you have any valid reason for this style of naming? I'm ok with bridge(4) instead of 'br' device naming which can interference with real device name sooner or later. But vether(4)... What's wrong with you? It should called 'veth' rather than that. This is absolutely improper way of device naming. This path could bring skid you for example right to Mac OS X dirs naming like '/Library/Users/Vether' without any shortenings.
Re: 802.11QinQ support
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 06:36:05PM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote: > Does anyone know off hand if OpenBSD 4.6 or -CURRENT supports > 802.1QinQ aka netsted VLans? > > If so, how do I configure it as I've tried the usual "ifconfig vlan? > create" and tried stipulating that the secondary VLan's parent > interface it the primary VLan interface. But this doesn't seem to work > :( I have been able to QinQ. # ifconfig vlan101 vlandev bce0 # ifconfig vlan201 vlandev vlan101 vlan101: flags=8843 mtu 1500 vlan: 101 priority: 0 parent interface: bce0 vlan201: flags=8843 mtu 1496 vlan: 201 priority: 0 parent interface: vlan101 A tcpdump when I actually tried it showed the nested vlans although I seem to have lost them. l8rZ, -- andrew - ICQ# 253198 - Jabber: and...@rraz.net - Twitter: @AFreshOne BOFH excuse of the day: sticky bit has come loose
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Re: -current or -stable [was: Not another Browser Question]
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Scott McEachern wrote: >Manuel Giraud wrote: >> Maybe I'll stick to -current too. But I'd like to give try staying >> -stable for a while and I could still play with the new toys every 6 >> month anyway. I wonder why does the FAQ recommend -stable over -current? >> > From the FAQ: > >"Put bluntly, the "best" version of OpenBSD is /-current/." The FAQ does say that, but in context it's not a recommendation for everyone to run current. >Please read the FAQ. It is explained why there are situations where >-stable is more _suitable_ for some people, -current for others. That part of section 5.1 currently clearly recommends that most users run stable or release: In fact, as our hope is to continually improve OpenBSD, the goal is that -current should be more reliable, more secure, and of course, have greater features than -stable. Put bluntly, the "best" version of OpenBSD is -current. Most users should be running either -stable or -release. That being said, many people do run -current on production systems, and it is important that people do so to identify bugs and test new features. However, if you don't know how to properly describe, diagnose and deal with a problem, don't tell yourself (or anyone else) that you are "helping the project" by running -current. "It didn't work!" is not a useful bug report. "The recent changes to the pciide driver broke compatibility with my Slugchip-based IDE interface, dmesg of working and broken systems follow..." might be a useful report. There are times when "normal" users may wish to live on the cutting edge and run -current. The most common reason is that the user has a device which is not supported by -release (and thus, not -stable), or wishes to use a new feature of the -current. In this case, the choice may be either -current or not using the device, and -current may be the lesser evil. However, one should not expect hand-holding from the developers. Dave -- Dave Anderson
Re: -current or -stable [was: Not another Browser Question]
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:43:18 +0100 Manuel Giraud wrote: > "J.C. Roberts" writes: > > > There's a story I remember reading about an OpenBSD user from Japan > > (possibly Mark Uemura?) who met an interesting fellow at a > > conference who asked what operating system he was running on his > > laptop. The OpenBSD user proudly stated, "I'm running OpenBSD X.Y > > Stable," and the interesting fellow replied, "You should be running > > current." > > > > Said "interesting fellow" turned out to be Theo. > > It's good to know that -current stays such a stable system. But I > think that the 6 month release cycle is good thing in OpenBSD. > Yes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7pkyDUX5uM --
Re: -current or -stable [was: Not another Browser Question]
"J.C. Roberts" writes: > There's a story I remember reading about an OpenBSD user from Japan > (possibly Mark Uemura?) who met an interesting fellow at a conference > who asked what operating system he was running on his laptop. The > OpenBSD user proudly stated, "I'm running OpenBSD X.Y Stable," and the > interesting fellow replied, "You should be running current." > > Said "interesting fellow" turned out to be Theo. It's good to know that -current stays such a stable system. But I think that the 6 month release cycle is good thing in OpenBSD. -- Manuel Giraud
Re: 802.11QinQ support
Hi there all Does anyone know off hand if OpenBSD 4.6 or -CURRENT supports 802.1QinQ aka netsted VLans? If so, how do I configure it as I've tried the usual "ifconfig vlan? create" and tried stipulating that the secondary VLan's parent interface it the primary VLan interface. But this doesn't seem to work :( Regards,... Ross Cameron
Re: ldattach and gpsd errors
On 2010-02-03, dan wrote: > I am trying to get ldattach and gpsd to work together, and I'm having > issues. I have 3 USB GPS devices, and at least one seems to work with > gpsd when not using ldattach (I haven't tested the others yet). > When I run ldattach I get the following: > # ldattach -d -p nmea /dev/cuaU0 > /dev/ttyp2 > ldattach[28488]: attach nmea on /dev/cuaU0 > ldattach[28488]: passing data to /dev/ttyp2 > In sysctl hw.sensors I then have: > hw.sensors.nmea0.percent0=100.00% (Signal), UNKNOWN > hw.sensors.nmea0.timedelta0=0.00 secs, UNKNOWN this is how the sensors look when your gps is stuck in sirf binary mode (gpsd does this sometimes). you have got the method right, but you need to get it sending NMEA again first. you can try whacking it back into nmea mode with sirfmon's n command, but this might not work (and in particular you might not get it back to the standard speed even if you do get it into NMEA mode). gpsmon from gpsd 2.9x does a better job of this. (it's not in ports yet, I can send you a work-in-progress update if you have trouble getting back into NMEA with the version you're using). > I then run gpsd and get the following output: > # gpsd -nND2 /dev/ttyp2 > gpsd: launching (Version 2.38) > gpsd: listening on port 2947 > gpsd: running with effective group ID 0 > gpsd: running with effective user ID 0 > gpsd: opening GPS data source at '/dev/ttyp2' > gpsd: speed 9600, 8N1 > gpsd: garmin_gps not active. > gpsd: gpsd_activate(1): opened GPS (6) > gpsd: speed 4800, 8N1 > gpsd: speed 9600, 8N1 > gpsd: speed 19200, 8N1 > gpsd: speed 38400, 8N1 > gpsd: speed 57600, 8N1 > gpsd: speed 115200, 8N1 > gpsd: speed 0, 7N2 > gpsd: speed 4800, 7N2 > gpsd: speed 9600, 7N2 > gpsd: speed 19200, 7N2 > gpsd: speed 38400, 7N2 > gpsd: speed 57600, 7N2 > gpsd: speed 115200, 7N2 > gpsd: packet sniffer failed to sync up > gpsd: closing GPS=/dev/ttyp2 (6) > > If I run gpsd without ldattach running I get the following: > # gpsd -ND2 /dev/cuaU0 > gpsd: launching (Version 2.38) > gpsd: listening on port 2947 > gpsd: running with effective group ID 0 > gpsd: running with effective user ID 0 > gpsd: opening GPS data source at '/dev/cuaU0' > gpsd: speed 9600, 8N1 > gpsd: garmin_gps not active. > gpsd: gpsd_activate(1): opened GPS (6) > gpsd: FV 0x06: Firmware version: GSW3.2.5_3.3.01.06-SDK001P1.00 > > I can then run kismet on that system, and it does not complain about not > being able to connect to the gpsd. > > I've tried this on recent snapshots of both i386 and amd64 and get the > same results. > > I also tried setting up ldattach in the /etc/ttys file, but couldn't > figure out which tty0? to attach it to (I tried all of the ones in the > file, commenting out the original entries). yeah, I'm a bit confused about this too; it works for me if I use the cua device in ttys, but that is incorrect. anyway, we need to run it later than from init(8) as we want to retrieve the name of the pty that the -p mode creates so we can pass it on to gpsd, so it's only marginally relevant to what you're trying to do. > > dmesg for the i386 machine (Asus eeepc 701): > > OpenBSD 4.7-beta (GENERIC) #518: Wed Jan 27 19:22:14 MST 2010 > t...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC > cpu0: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class) > 631 MHz > cpu0: > FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,TM,SBF > real mem = 2138140672 (2039MB) > avail mem = 2063011840 (1967MB) > mainbus0 at root > bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 03/03/08, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xf0010, > SMBIOS rev. 2.5 @ 0xf06e0 (37 entries) > bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version "0910" date 03/03/2008 > bios0: ASUSTeK Computer INC. 701 > acpi0 at bios0: rev 0 > acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC OEMB MCFG > acpi0: wakeup devices P0P3(S4) P0P4(S4) P0P5(S4) P0P6(S4) P0P7(S4) > MC97(S4) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB3(S3) USB4(S3) EUSB(S3) > acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits > acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat > cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) > cpu0: apic clock running at 70MHz > ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins > acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) > acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 5 (P0P3) > acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 3 (P0P5) > acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 1 (P0P6) > acpiec0 at acpi0 > acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C2 > acpitz0 at acpi0: critical temperature 90 degC > acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT0 model "701" serial type LION oem "ASUS" > acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit online > acpiasus0 at acpi0 > acpibtn0 at acpi0: LID_ > acpibtn1 at acpi0: SLPB > acpibtn2 at acpi0: PWRB > acpivideo0 at acpi0: VGA_ > acpivout0 at acpivideo0: CRTD > acpivout1 at acpivideo0: TVOD > acpivout2 at acpivideo0: LCDD > bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xf800! > pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) > pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "Intel 82915GM Host" rev 0x04 > vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Intel 82915GM Video" rev 0x04 > wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console
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Re: -current or -stable [was: Not another Browser Question]
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 09:02 -0500, "Scott McEachern" wrote: > Manuel Giraud wrote: > > I wasn't clear enough: by "new package", I meant "a package not > > installed on my system yet" and not "the bleeding edge version of one > > package". > > > > > Ah ok, sorry, I misunderstood. > > Maybe I'll stick to -current too. But I'd like to give try staying > > -stable for a while and I could still play with the new toys every 6 > > month anyway. I wonder why does the FAQ recommend -stable over -current? > > > > > From the FAQ: > > "Put bluntly, the "best" version of OpenBSD is /-current/." > > Please read the FAQ. It is explained why there are situations where > -stable is more _suitable_ for some people, -current for others. If -stable does not work for you, there are at least two ways (in my mind) to use -current. 1. Download today's snapshot, which is -current, along with the ports.tar.gz that comes with it and then install and use that for months without actively following -current. Basically, you don't try to keep up and are only -current for a short while. I do that sometimes and have never had an issue. At times you may end up with a funky system that is not -stable or -current but it works just fine and has appropriate documentation. 2. Download today's snapshot, which is -current, and then actively keep up with the source tree. Most people probably use -current in this fashion and this is probably the way the developers intend for it to be used. As a user, I can only speak for myself, but having used -current in both ways, I can say that either approach works. Brad
Re: -current or -stable [was: Not another Browser Question]
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:21:47 +0100 Manuel Giraud wrote: > Scott McEachern writes: > > > Huh? Let me get this straight. You want to use a *new* package. > > You have to use -current to get the new package. How do you figure > > running -stable will help? > > I wasn't clear enough: by "new package", I meant "a package not > installed on my system yet" and not "the bleeding edge version of one > package". > > > I'm with J.C. Roberts on this one. I got tired of seeing the cool > > kids playing with the new toys on -current, got over the (wrong) > > impression that -current is unstable, and started using -current > > with the goodies. I haven't looked back since. > > Maybe I'll stick to -current too. But I'd like to give try staying > -stable for a while and I could still play with the new toys every 6 > month anyway. I wonder why does the FAQ recommend -stable over > -current? The -stable branch requires less work and less knowledge. If you are new to OpenBSD or new to UNIX in general, the -stable branch is a nice and simple place to start. Also, it gives that warm comfy feeling to the tired, battle scared sysadmins who wander in out of the cold, and it keeps the management types happy due to the required buzzwords. There's a story I remember reading about an OpenBSD user from Japan (possibly Mark Uemura?) who met an interesting fellow at a conference who asked what operating system he was running on his laptop. The OpenBSD user proudly stated, "I'm running OpenBSD X.Y Stable," and the interesting fellow replied, "You should be running current." Said "interesting fellow" turned out to be Theo. -jcr
Re: -current or -stable [was: Not another Browser Question]
Manuel Giraud wrote: I wasn't clear enough: by "new package", I meant "a package not installed on my system yet" and not "the bleeding edge version of one package". Ah ok, sorry, I misunderstood. Maybe I'll stick to -current too. But I'd like to give try staying -stable for a while and I could still play with the new toys every 6 month anyway. I wonder why does the FAQ recommend -stable over -current? From the FAQ: "Put bluntly, the "best" version of OpenBSD is /-current/." Please read the FAQ. It is explained why there are situations where -stable is more _suitable_ for some people, -current for others. -- -RSM http://www.erratic.ca
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Re: -current or -stable [was: Not another Browser Question]
Scott McEachern writes: > Huh? Let me get this straight. You want to use a *new* package. You > have to use -current to get the new package. How do you figure > running -stable will help? I wasn't clear enough: by "new package", I meant "a package not installed on my system yet" and not "the bleeding edge version of one package". > I'm with J.C. Roberts on this one. I got tired of seeing the cool > kids playing with the new toys on -current, got over the (wrong) > impression that -current is unstable, and started using -current with > the goodies. I haven't looked back since. Maybe I'll stick to -current too. But I'd like to give try staying -stable for a while and I could still play with the new toys every 6 month anyway. I wonder why does the FAQ recommend -stable over -current? -- Manuel Giraud
Re: Opteron 250 Overheating
* Jeff Ross [2010-03-02 17:48]: > Henning Brauer wrote: > >* Jeff Ross [2010-03-02 16:59]: > >>I bought a replacement supermicro motherboard off fleabay that has > >>dual Opteron 250 @2.4GHz. The cpus have passive heatsinks, it is in > >>a supermicro 2U chassis with 4 front fans. > > > >do you have the air shroud? this plastic thing that forms a "tunnel" > >over the heatsinks? it is required. > > > > No, the motherboard didn't come with that. If I can find one will > that mean I don't need the active heatsinks? that's how supermicro delivers the 2U systems, so i'd say yes, you won't need them. -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting
Re: -current or -stable [was: Not another Browser Question]
Manuel Giraud wrote: Using -current, I sometimes have had to upgrade to the latest snapshot just because I wanted to install some new package and bumped into an error like "not good version of libc". In fact, I thought that having a -release (and -stable) was a strength of OpenBSD (if not why put so much effort for that). Huh? Let me get this straight. You want to use a *new* package. You have to use -current to get the new package. How do you figure running -stable will help? I'm with J.C. Roberts on this one. I got tired of seeing the cool kids playing with the new toys on -current, got over the (wrong) impression that -current is unstable, and started using -current with the goodies. I haven't looked back since. -- -RSM http://www.erratic.ca
Re: -current or -stable [was: Not another Browser Question]
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 09:36:31AM +0100, Manuel Giraud wrote: > "J.C. Roberts" writes: > > > The short answer is painfully simple; if you're running OpenBSD as your > > desktop/laptop and you have a clue, then run just -current. > > > > These days, the -stable branch still exists primarily due to historical > > precedence for people unwilling to update their thinking. > > After 6 month using -current as desktop I was about to follow the > opposite path and try to stay -stable (after 4.7 is released). > > Using -current, I sometimes have had to upgrade to the latest snapshot > just because I wanted to install some new package and bumped into an > error like "not good version of libc". Yes, you're running a development version, which means that when library bumps happen, you're going to have to deal with them. > > In fact, I thought that having a -release (and -stable) was a strength > of OpenBSD (if not why put so much effort for that). Actually, most effort goes towards -current, with -stable only getting major security/reliability fixes. For a while, there weren't any -stable ports, due to a lack of manpower. > > -- > Manuel Giraud
Re: panic: rlphy_service: attempt to isolate phy
Alexander Nasonov wrote: > OpenBSD 4.6 panics on my 4 core amd64 HP workstation when I do > ifconfig -a. If I change rlphymatch to return 10 only for instance 0, nfe works: diff -u sys/dev/mii/rlphy.c < Index: sys/dev/mii/rlphy.c === RCS file: /cvs/src/sys/dev/mii/rlphy.c,v retrieving revision 1.30 diff -u -r1.30 rlphy.c --- sys/dev/mii/rlphy.c 11 Sep 2008 18:26:58 - 1.30 +++ sys/dev/mii/rlphy.c 3 Mar 2010 07:44:13 - @@ -85,11 +85,12 @@ rlphymatch(struct device *parent, void *match, void *aux) { struct mii_attach_args *ma = aux; + struct mii_data *mii = ma->mii_data; char *devname; devname = parent->dv_cfdata->cf_driver->cd_name; - if (mii_phy_match(ma, rlphys) != NULL) + if (mii_phy_match(ma, rlphys) != NULL && mii->mii_instance == 0) return (10); if (MII_OUI(ma->mii_id1, ma->mii_id2) != 0 || Apparently, it's not a correct patch because I see spirious PHY entries: nfe0 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 "NVIDIA MCP61 LAN" rev 0xa2: apic 4 int 11 (irq 11), address 00:26:18:8e:22:9e rlphy0 at nfe0 phy 0: RTL8201L 10/100 PHY, rev. 1 ukphy0 at nfe0 phy 1: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 1: OUI 0x20, model 0x0020 ukphy1 at nfe0 phy 2: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 1: OUI 0x20, model 0x0020 ukphy2 at nfe0 phy 3: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 1: OUI 0x20, model 0x0020 ukphy3 at nfe0 phy 4: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 1: OUI 0x20, model 0x0020 ukphy4 at nfe0 phy 5: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 1: OUI 0x20, model 0x0020 ukphy5 at nfe0 phy 6: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 1: OUI 0x20, model 0x0020 ukphy6 at nfe0 phy 7: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 1: OUI 0x20, model 0x0020 ukphy7 at nfe0 phy 8: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 1: OUI 0x20, model 0x0020 ukphy8 at nfe0 phy 9: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 1: OUI 0x20, model 0x0020 and so on up to phy 31. Alex
-current or -stable [was: Not another Browser Question]
"J.C. Roberts" writes: > The short answer is painfully simple; if you're running OpenBSD as your > desktop/laptop and you have a clue, then run just -current. > > These days, the -stable branch still exists primarily due to historical > precedence for people unwilling to update their thinking. After 6 month using -current as desktop I was about to follow the opposite path and try to stay -stable (after 4.7 is released). Using -current, I sometimes have had to upgrade to the latest snapshot just because I wanted to install some new package and bumped into an error like "not good version of libc". In fact, I thought that having a -release (and -stable) was a strength of OpenBSD (if not why put so much effort for that). -- Manuel Giraud