Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC
Seriously, based in Washington, D.C. ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Alec Taylor wrote: > The English language is dead. > > Long live Logban[1] > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logban > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Tomas Bodzar > wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Daniel Villarreal > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Tomas Bodzar > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> ... > >>> > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer > of a > >>> > system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application > platform to > >>> > OpenBSD >developers http://dev.lemote.com... > >>> > >>> A lot of projects happy with GNU/Linux because of some reasons which > >>> mostly don't apply at all. > >> > >> Yes. Maybe they use it because they're comfortable with it. Maybe they > use > >> it because it's perceived as being multi-lingual, or even that it's just > not > >> hostile to their language, or whatever. > > > > Or maybe because they think that it's free. It doesn't matter in fact. > > > >> > >> > >>> Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people > of > >>> China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a > >>> multi-lingual installer >? > >> > >>> OpenBSD is not targeted to typical users (but it can be prepared for > use > >>> for those users). De facto standard language in system administration > is > >>> English so why to have installer in different language? Especially one > which > >>> is mostly about hitting enter only. In running system after install you > can > >>> have any of the most used languages either for keyaboard only in > console or > >>> complete apps in X. > >> > >> Good point. I don't know if English-speaking "typical" users are > equivalent > >> to Chinese "typical" users. Do a study on foreigners earning advanced > >> science and mathematics degrees in the U.S. > > > > I suppose that their classes related to IT are in English ;-) But I'm > > not from US so maybe I'm wrong. > > > >> > >> What I'm getting at when I discuss language in this list isn't to > aggravate > >> people who think the world must conform to their strict interpretation > of > >> English. They're a lost cause, anyway... > >> > >> http://www.oed.com/public/oed3 > >> "Every three months the entire OED database is republished online, with > new > >> words added for the first time and older entries revised according the > >> exacting standards of modern historical lexicography." > > > > Sure a lot of changed when I was visiting school, a lot of new rules > > and other stuff which I don't know about, but it's not stopping me in > > conversation. And I don't care if someone is doing bugs in English or > > my language or any other as long as we can understand each other. I > > can understand that people which don't have English as mother language > > can have issues with that. Probably same as I will have issues with > > Chinese or whatever. > > > >> > >> Ultimately Theo decides what is used in OpenBSD and I get that. I get > your > >> point about the install being easy, and I agree, but this goes way > beyond > >> that. This is about the big picture. I'm not asking Theo and the > developers > >> to *switch* to Chinese, or Afrikaans, or anything of the sort. I'm > merely > >> trying to get people to think and consider about the implications of > people > >> wanting to use the best software possible for servers and give them an > >> opportunity to work with the OpenBSD foundation. Isn't it important to > give > >> people a reason to want to work with you? Including people is very > >> important. If the Chinese were willing to go through so much trouble to > >> arrive at an excellent low-power consumption computing platform, why > >> *wouldn't* they want the very best operating system, especially for > >> servers? > > > > Ah time for funny links ;-) > > > > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125295040219808&w=2 > > (quite long, but worth of it) > > > > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125320519308891&w=2 > > (EXCELLENT) > > > > For short: > > > > Attempting to prove the worth of OpenBSD to folks who are not able to > > figure things out for themselvs is much like trying to teach butterflies > > Calculus. > > > > It doesn't work and wastes your time. > > > > --STeve Andre' > > > > Why this? Because in old times when most of the people thought that > > Earth is plain if you tried to give people opportunity to think that > > Earth is not plain (OpenBSD is better or whatever) you ended in flames > > ;-) Most of the people is lazy, so much lazy that even GUI is too much > > complicated for them and without small blue E on the desktop they are > > not able to use Internet. On the other side there are people which are > > 90 or so and are able to use any Unix which you will show them just > > because they are not lazy. That's why there's so low number of people > > which are genius like Theo which are able to bring f
Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC
Thank you for your perspective, Theo. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > This is about the big picture. > > No, it is not. > > Go ahead, add multi-language support to our install media. > > Oh, you're not going to do it? Oh you can't do it? Oh, you can't > make it fit? > > That is the big picture.
Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC
The English language is dead. Long live Logban[1] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logban On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Tomas Bodzar wrote: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Daniel Villarreal > wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Tomas Bodzar >> wrote: >>> >>> ... >>> > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a >>> > system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform >>> > to >>> > OpenBSD >developers http://dev.lemote.com... >>> >>> A lot of projects happy with GNU/Linux because of some reasons which >>> mostly don't apply at all. >> >> Yes. Maybe they use it because they're comfortable with it. Maybe they use >> it because it's perceived as being multi-lingual, or even that it's just not >> hostile to their language, or whatever. > > Or maybe because they think that it's free. It doesn't matter in fact. > >> >> >>> Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people of >>> China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a >>> multi-lingual installer >? >> >>> OpenBSD is not targeted to typical users (but it can be prepared for use >>> for those users). De facto standard language in system administration is >>> English so why to have installer in different language? Especially one which >>> is mostly about hitting enter only. In running system after install you can >>> have any of the most used languages either for keyaboard only in console or >>> complete apps in X. >> >> Good point. I don't know if English-speaking "typical" users are equivalent >> to Chinese "typical" users. Do a study on foreigners earning advanced >> science and mathematics degrees in the U.S. > > I suppose that their classes related to IT are in English ;-) But I'm > not from US so maybe I'm wrong. > >> >> What I'm getting at when I discuss language in this list isn't to aggravate >> people who think the world must conform to their strict interpretation of >> English. They're a lost cause, anyway... >> >> http://www.oed.com/public/oed3 >> "Every three months the entire OED database is republished online, with new >> words added for the first time and older entries revised according the >> exacting standards of modern historical lexicography." > > Sure a lot of changed when I was visiting school, a lot of new rules > and other stuff which I don't know about, but it's not stopping me in > conversation. And I don't care if someone is doing bugs in English or > my language or any other as long as we can understand each other. I > can understand that people which don't have English as mother language > can have issues with that. Probably same as I will have issues with > Chinese or whatever. > >> >> Ultimately Theo decides what is used in OpenBSD and I get that. I get your >> point about the install being easy, and I agree, but this goes way beyond >> that. This is about the big picture. I'm not asking Theo and the developers >> to *switch* to Chinese, or Afrikaans, or anything of the sort. I'm merely >> trying to get people to think and consider about the implications of people >> wanting to use the best software possible for servers and give them an >> opportunity to work with the OpenBSD foundation. Isn't it important to give >> people a reason to want to work with you? Including people is very >> important. If the Chinese were willing to go through so much trouble to >> arrive at an excellent low-power consumption computing platform, why >> *wouldn't* they want the very best operating system, especially for >> servers? > > Ah time for funny links ;-) > > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125295040219808&w=2 > (quite long, but worth of it) > > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125320519308891&w=2 > (EXCELLENT) > > For short: > > Attempting to prove the worth of OpenBSD to folks who are not able to > figure things out for themselvs is much like trying to teach butterflies > Calculus. > > It doesn't work and wastes your time. > > --STeve Andre' > > Why this? Because in old times when most of the people thought that > Earth is plain if you tried to give people opportunity to think that > Earth is not plain (OpenBSD is better or whatever) you ended in flames > ;-) Most of the people is lazy, so much lazy that even GUI is too much > complicated for them and without small blue E on the desktop they are > not able to use Internet. On the other side there are people which are > 90 or so and are able to use any Unix which you will show them just > because they are not lazy. That's why there's so low number of people > which are genius like Theo which are able to bring fresh ideas and > solutions to things which every other person do as others just because > others do that so it must be right. > >> >> I've always wondered if the Chinese thought that learning English was >> trivially easy. As much as I would like to ask a Chinese that, I realize >> that it's not a polite thing to ask. That's not the point. What makes you >
Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Daniel Villarreal wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Tomas Bodzar > wrote: >> >> ... >> > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a >> > system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform to >> > OpenBSD >developers http://dev.lemote.com... >> >> A lot of projects happy with GNU/Linux because of some reasons which >> mostly don't apply at all. > > Yes. Maybe they use it because they're comfortable with it. Maybe they use > it because it's perceived as being multi-lingual, or even that it's just not > hostile to their language, or whatever. Or maybe because they think that it's free. It doesn't matter in fact. > > >> Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people of >> China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a >> multi-lingual installer >? > >> OpenBSD is not targeted to typical users (but it can be prepared for use >> for those users). De facto standard language in system administration is >> English so why to have installer in different language? Especially one which >> is mostly about hitting enter only. In running system after install you can >> have any of the most used languages either for keyaboard only in console or >> complete apps in X. > > Good point. I don't know if English-speaking "typical" users are equivalent > to Chinese "typical" users. Do a study on foreigners earning advanced > science and mathematics degrees in the U.S. I suppose that their classes related to IT are in English ;-) But I'm not from US so maybe I'm wrong. > > What I'm getting at when I discuss language in this list isn't to aggravate > people who think the world must conform to their strict interpretation of > English. They're a lost cause, anyway... > > http://www.oed.com/public/oed3 > "Every three months the entire OED database is republished online, with new > words added for the first time and older entries revised according the > exacting standards of modern historical lexicography." Sure a lot of changed when I was visiting school, a lot of new rules and other stuff which I don't know about, but it's not stopping me in conversation. And I don't care if someone is doing bugs in English or my language or any other as long as we can understand each other. I can understand that people which don't have English as mother language can have issues with that. Probably same as I will have issues with Chinese or whatever. > > Ultimately Theo decides what is used in OpenBSD and I get that. I get your > point about the install being easy, and I agree, but this goes way beyond > that. This is about the big picture. I'm not asking Theo and the developers > to *switch* to Chinese, or Afrikaans, or anything of the sort. I'm merely > trying to get people to think and consider about the implications of people > wanting to use the best software possible for servers and give them an > opportunity to work with the OpenBSD foundation. Isn't it important to give > people a reason to want to work with you? Including people is very > important. If the Chinese were willing to go through so much trouble to > arrive at an excellent low-power consumption computing platform, why > *wouldn't* they want the very best operating system, especially for > servers? Ah time for funny links ;-) http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125295040219808&w=2 (quite long, but worth of it) http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125320519308891&w=2 (EXCELLENT) For short: Attempting to prove the worth of OpenBSD to folks who are not able to figure things out for themselvs is much like trying to teach butterflies Calculus. It doesn't work and wastes your time. --STeve Andre' Why this? Because in old times when most of the people thought that Earth is plain if you tried to give people opportunity to think that Earth is not plain (OpenBSD is better or whatever) you ended in flames ;-) Most of the people is lazy, so much lazy that even GUI is too much complicated for them and without small blue E on the desktop they are not able to use Internet. On the other side there are people which are 90 or so and are able to use any Unix which you will show them just because they are not lazy. That's why there's so low number of people which are genius like Theo which are able to bring fresh ideas and solutions to things which every other person do as others just because others do that so it must be right. > > I've always wondered if the Chinese thought that learning English was > trivially easy. As much as I would like to ask a Chinese that, I realize > that it's not a polite thing to ask. That's not the point. What makes you > think they need English speakers to translate? Maybe the OpenBSD Foundation > has everything to gain by being more receptive to more foreign languages. What? Polite? What's bad on asking some Chinese how hard is English for them? Did people lost freedom to ask something? I can ask someone if y
Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC
> This is about the big picture. No, it is not. Go ahead, add multi-language support to our install media. Oh, you're not going to do it? Oh you can't do it? Oh, you can't make it fit? That is the big picture.
Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Tomas Bodzar wrote: > ... > > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a > system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform to > OpenBSD >developers http://dev.lemote.com... > > A lot of projects happy with GNU/Linux because of some reasons which mostly > don't apply at all. > Yes. Maybe they use it because they're comfortable with it. Maybe they use it because it's perceived as being multi-lingual, or even that it's just not hostile to their language, or whatever. > Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people of China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a multi-lingual installer >? OpenBSD is not targeted to typical users (but it can be prepared for use for > those users). De facto standard language in system administration is English > so why to have installer in different language? Especially one which is > mostly about hitting enter only. In running system after install you can > have any of the most used languages either for keyaboard only in console or > complete apps in X. > Good point. I don't know if English-speaking "typical" users are equivalent to Chinese "typical" users. Do a study on foreigners earning advanced science and mathematics degrees in the U.S. What I'm getting at when I discuss language in this list isn't to aggravate people who think the world must conform to their strict interpretation of English. They're a lost cause, anyway... http://www.oed.com/public/oed3 "Every three months the entire OED database is republished online, with new words added for the first time and older entries revised according the exacting standards of modern historical lexicography." Ultimately Theo decides what is used in OpenBSD and I get that. I get your point about the install being easy, and I agree, but this goes way beyond that. This is about the big picture. I'm not asking Theo and the developers to *switch* to Chinese, or Afrikaans, or anything of the sort. I'm merely trying to get people to think and consider about the implications of people wanting to use the best software possible for servers and give them an opportunity to work with the OpenBSD foundation. Isn't it important to give people a reason to want to work with you? Including people is very important. If the Chinese were willing to go through so much trouble to arrive at an excellent low-power consumption computing platform, why *wouldn't* they want the very best operating system, especially for servers? I've always wondered if the Chinese thought that learning English was trivially easy. As much as I would like to ask a Chinese that, I realize that it's not a polite thing to ask. That's not the point. What makes you think they need English speakers to translate? Maybe the OpenBSD Foundation has everything to gain by being more receptive to more foreign languages. Is it possible that the OpenBSD Foundation might appeal to more people the world over just by indicating a willingness to cooperate? I wonder if Theo has travelled to China and I wonder if he speaks other languages. > For sure you're free to provide patches for multilingual installer as > long as it will be able to fit one floppy only (want to see that > because of need for UTF ;-)). > > > > > Daniel Villarreal > > > > > > PS: I'm not from English speaking country and my mother language is not > English > Even without touching the installer, you've already have several languages represented at openbsd.org, so why not add more to the web site, just that alone would be a big boost ? Sincerely, Daniel Villarreal
Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 22:28:18 -0400 Daniel Villarreal wrote: > I got a reply from Lemote, in regards to the Lynloong All-in-one PC. > > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer > of a system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application > platform to OpenBSD developers. The website link from article from > the Beijing GNU/Linux User's Group, i.e. > http://clubbeautiful.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2:lemoteloongson-and-new-web-site-presentation&catid=4:archive&Itemid=7 > is http://dev.lemote.com > > Although I don't read Chinese, it appears that this project deals with > GNU/Linux. It seems logical to me that any organization willing to > develop free software would want the best software. > > Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural > people of China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of > producing a multi-lingual installer ? > > Daniel Villarreal Lemote is a nice company, they design their machines to run without binary blobs and use a PMON BIOS which can be audited by those who care. This architecture is already supported well enough as a port in my experience. A nice thing about the architecture is that it is not x86 - specifically, out of fear bred from ignorance, I draw notice to it not containing this feature: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/System_Management_Mode#Problems Without this the hackers cannot turn my computer into a bomb. -- oh noes pidgeons
Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC
Anyway for OpenBSD it looks like only one usable device for small home server with low power consumption, not so much noise and non-x86 CPU there's only http://www.lemote.com/en/products/mini-computer/2010/0310/111.html , right? I know that there was thread about mini-ITX products before one week or so on misc@, but it was around Atom only. VIA will be fine in that regard too. But if someone wants to go non-x86 then there's only Lemote as it seems. http://www.openbsd.org/plat.html On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Daniel Villarreal wrote: > I got a reply from Lemote, in regards to the Lynloong All-in-one PC. > > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a > system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform to > OpenBSD developers. The website link from article from the Beijing GNU/Linux > User's Group, i.e. > http://clubbeautiful.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2:lemoteloongson-and-new-web-site-presentation&catid=4:archive&Itemid=7 > is http://dev.lemote.com > > Although I don't read Chinese, it appears that this project deals with > GNU/Linux. It seems logical to me that any organization willing to develop > free software would want the best software. > > Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people of > China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a > multi-lingual installer ? > > Daniel Villarreal
Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Francois Pussault wrote: > Computer science is like playing golf > you need to learn english before playing. That's why so many projects ends in water or sand, right? :-) > > ;) > > >> >> From: Marc Smith >> Sent: Mon Sep 19 10:44:16 CEST 2011 >> To: >> Subject: Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC >> >> >> As Tomas already wrote, sysadmin's main lang is EN and that would >> probobly not change in anytime soon. >> Beside that, OpenBSD can't be really used by non-english speaking users >> when there's no "easy", or "simple" one-clik/one command way to enable >> localization, and the whole localization doesn't seem to be ready, >> really. UTF-8 is missing in CLI [well, you usually don't need your lang >> in CLI, don't you?], but you can make Xorg to display messages in your >> language, so there's no problem I guess. >> Translations would probobly take large space from OpenBSD CD [unless >> it's downloadable] and there needs to be place for people to submit >> translations. >> So I don't know ... learn english basics or just use some GUI linux >> distro, which is probobly better suited for casual user. >> >> Regards >> >> W dniu 19.09.2011 04:28, Daniel Villarreal pisze: >> > I got a reply from Lemote, in regards to the Lynloong All-in-one PC. >> > >> > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a >> > system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform > to >> > OpenBSD developers. The website link from article from the Beijing > GNU/Linux >> > User's Group, i.e. >> > > http://clubbeautiful.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2:lemot > eloongson-and-new-web-site-presentation&catid=4:archive&Itemid=7 >> > is http://dev.lemote.com >> > >> > Although I don't read Chinese, it appears that this project deals with >> > GNU/Linux. It seems logical to me that any organization willing to > develop >> > free software would want the best software. >> > >> > Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people > of >> > China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a >> > multi-lingual installer ? >> > >> > Daniel Villarreal >> > > > Cordialement > Francois Pussault > 3701 - 8 rue Marcel Pagnol > 31100 ToulouseB > FranceB > +33 6 17 230 820B B B +33 5 34 365 269 > fpussa...@contactoffice.fr
Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC
Computer science is like playing golf you need to learn english before playing. ;) > > From: Marc Smith > Sent: Mon Sep 19 10:44:16 CEST 2011 > To: > Subject: Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC > > > As Tomas already wrote, sysadmin's main lang is EN and that would > probobly not change in anytime soon. > Beside that, OpenBSD can't be really used by non-english speaking users > when there's no "easy", or "simple" one-clik/one command way to enable > localization, and the whole localization doesn't seem to be ready, > really. UTF-8 is missing in CLI [well, you usually don't need your lang > in CLI, don't you?], but you can make Xorg to display messages in your > language, so there's no problem I guess. > Translations would probobly take large space from OpenBSD CD [unless > it's downloadable] and there needs to be place for people to submit > translations. > So I don't know ... learn english basics or just use some GUI linux > distro, which is probobly better suited for casual user. > > Regards > > W dniu 19.09.2011 04:28, Daniel Villarreal pisze: > > I got a reply from Lemote, in regards to the Lynloong All-in-one PC. > > > > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a > > system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform to > > OpenBSD developers. The website link from article from the Beijing GNU/Linux > > User's Group, i.e. > > http://clubbeautiful.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2:lemot eloongson-and-new-web-site-presentation&catid=4:archive&Itemid=7 > > is http://dev.lemote.com > > > > Although I don't read Chinese, it appears that this project deals with > > GNU/Linux. It seems logical to me that any organization willing to develop > > free software would want the best software. > > > > Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people of > > China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a > > multi-lingual installer ? > > > > Daniel Villarreal > Cordialement Francois Pussault 3701 - 8 rue Marcel Pagnol 31100 ToulouseB FranceB +33 6 17 230 820 B +33 5 34 365 269 fpussa...@contactoffice.fr
Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC
As Tomas already wrote, sysadmin's main lang is EN and that would probobly not change in anytime soon. Beside that, OpenBSD can't be really used by non-english speaking users when there's no "easy", or "simple" one-clik/one command way to enable localization, and the whole localization doesn't seem to be ready, really. UTF-8 is missing in CLI [well, you usually don't need your lang in CLI, don't you?], but you can make Xorg to display messages in your language, so there's no problem I guess. Translations would probobly take large space from OpenBSD CD [unless it's downloadable] and there needs to be place for people to submit translations. So I don't know ... learn english basics or just use some GUI linux distro, which is probobly better suited for casual user. Regards W dniu 19.09.2011 04:28, Daniel Villarreal pisze: > I got a reply from Lemote, in regards to the Lynloong All-in-one PC. > > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a > system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform to > OpenBSD developers. The website link from article from the Beijing GNU/Linux > User's Group, i.e. > http://clubbeautiful.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2:lemoteloongson-and-new-web-site-presentation&catid=4:archive&Itemid=7 > is http://dev.lemote.com > > Although I don't read Chinese, it appears that this project deals with > GNU/Linux. It seems logical to me that any organization willing to develop > free software would want the best software. > > Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people of > China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a > multi-lingual installer ? > > Daniel Villarreal
Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Daniel Villarreal wrote: > I got a reply from Lemote, in regards to the Lynloong All-in-one PC. > > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a > system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform to > OpenBSD developers. The website link from article from the Beijing GNU/Linux > User's Group, i.e. > http://clubbeautiful.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2:lemoteloongson-and-new-web-site-presentation&catid=4:archive&Itemid=7 > is http://dev.lemote.com > > Although I don't read Chinese, it appears that this project deals with > GNU/Linux. It seems logical to me that any organization willing to develop > free software would want the best software. A lot of projects happy with GNU/Linux because of some reasons which mostly don't apply at all. > > Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people of > China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a > multi-lingual installer ? OpenBSD is not targeted to typical users (but it can be prepared for use for those users). De facto standard language in system administration is English so why to have installer in different language? Especially one which is mostly about hitting enter only. In running system after install you can have any of the most used languages either for keyaboard only in console or complete apps in X. For sure you're free to provide patches for multilingual installer as long as it will be able to fit one floppy only (want to see that because of need for UTF ;-)). > > Daniel Villarreal > > PS: I'm not from English speaking country and my mother language is not English
Lynloong All-in-one PC
I got a reply from Lemote, in regards to the Lynloong All-in-one PC. I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform to OpenBSD developers. The website link from article from the Beijing GNU/Linux User's Group, i.e. http://clubbeautiful.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2:lemoteloongson-and-new-web-site-presentation&catid=4:archive&Itemid=7 is http://dev.lemote.com Although I don't read Chinese, it appears that this project deals with GNU/Linux. It seems logical to me that any organization willing to develop free software would want the best software. Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people of China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a multi-lingual installer ? Daniel Villarreal
