Re: PC Engines APU platform EOL
is anyone aware of such a nice little device with low power consumption and ECC memory? The alternatives mentioned so far just offer normal RAM options...
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I will try and summarize the replies succinctly. As Stuart mentioned, by wanting fanless AND rackmount, I was certainly limiting my choices. Thanks - Damian
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Just to simplify, toy#2 is also on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/HUNSN/page/C16BAC89-6066-4D8E-B827-05465BD2C2EC?ref_=ast_bln -- Daniele Bonini May 7, 2023 00:10:24 Daniele B. : >> from Taobao, minipc no rackmount > > Nice toy, it doesn't miss eth nor serial ports, comes in different > configurations: > > https://5md.at/l/cuuka > https://5md.at/l/cuukb > https://5md.at/l/cuukc > https://5md.at/l/cuukd
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> from Taobao, minipc no rackmount Nice toy, it doesn't miss eth nor serial ports, comes in different configurations: https://5md.at/l/cuuka https://5md.at/l/cuukb https://5md.at/l/cuukc https://5md.at/l/cuukd
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> from Taobao, rackmount with fan I found a first toy, the Ipc-820, that comes in 4 configurations let me know if you need more pic, more eth/cpu or if I'm completely out of scope: https://5md.at/l/ipc820a https://5md.at/l/ipc820b https://5md.at/l/ipc820c -- Daniele Bonini
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> Don't know if this collides with the 'network plumbing' point > but this is what I know eg... in Europe, Germany and you can start > from eg... here: So far, the best I can find are those unusual but generally functional boards that are more or less AliExpress Specials, or for a slightly higher price point, the public retail versions of Lanner Electronics' network appliances, a few of which are known to be OEM partner systems for mid-high range systems from vendors such as Juniper Networks. Said machines can be purchased from their online retail channel called "Whitebox Solutions". I have been looking at their systems for a while now as a potential base for a networking venture and between their OEM business and their wide variations in to-order specs for selling more or less plain jane x86-64 systems with PCIe-attached Intel Ethernet adaptors in a funky line-card format, they seem quite approachable for high-throughput, small-batch hardware for systems running modern open-source network operating systems. Troy Martin | Head of Development Araxes Networks W: www.araxes.net | E: t...@araxes.net T: 778-819-2801 | C: 604-690-5885
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Don't know if this collides with the 'network plumbing' point but this is what I know eg... in Europe, Germany and you can start from eg... here: https://5md.at/l/cee9399 -- Daniele Bonini May 5, 2023 17:46:47 Daniele B. : > Sorry, I haven't followed the thread and I do not know > what exactly you are searching for. > I realized only now you are searching some specific > device on the market.. > I do not know..any chinese national can eventually help like us.. but > here we can have access to the chinese version > of Taobao, that mostly means access to whole range of products > actually on the market including accessories and often past articles. > The only obstacle is the translation of the technical features > to my wife that sometimes result difficult. > Anyway we are glad to help you in your reasearch if it is possible. > > Give me a private ping if we can help. > > > -- Daniele Bonini
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Sorry, I haven't followed the thread and I do not know what exactly you are searching for. I realized only now you are searching some specific device on the market.. I do not know..any chinese national can eventually help like us.. but here we can have access to the chinese version of Taobao, that mostly means access to whole range of products actually on the market including accessories and often past articles. The only obstacle is the translation of the technical features to my wife that sometimes result difficult. Anyway we are glad to help you in your reasearch if it is possible. Give me a private ping if we can help. -- Daniele Bonini
Re: PC Engines APU platform EOL
On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 2:47 AM Anders Andersson wrote: > > On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 8:24 AM Damian McGuckin wrote: > > > > On Thu, 4 May 2023, Maksim Rodin wrote: > > > > > Is there any problem with fanless x86_64 mini PCs with several NICs, > > > sold on aliexpress? > > > > Maybe, or give up on the rackmount and buy the R86S, as in > > > > https://www.aliexpress.com/i/1005004765507664.html > > > > An alternative is to buy 3 APU4s now 3 to cover failures and spares over > > the next few years. Hopefully, they still have some left. > > > > Thanks - Damian > > The R86S looks cute, but on closer inspection it has a fan. They even > crammed *two* fans in there for the taller version. That doesn't > necessarily mean it makes a lot of noise, but if fanless is a strict > requirement for other reasons it's out. [...] The B1, B2 and B3 models don't have a fan, if the comparison table is to be believed. That said, I did a bit of research on buying these no-name Chinese boxes from Amazon and AliExpress, and decided to get one from Amazon since I can return it in 30-days in case it does not work. Got a Minisforum GK41 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0899N2L6T/) It is not fanless and has two gigabit realtek NICs'. I currently have OpenBSD 7.3 installed on it, and noticed the wireless module is not supported (anyways I don't need that). The BIOS is customized AMI Bios, and there seems to be no way to upgrade it (which I expected). The build quality is reasonable, and I can barely hear the fan at a feet distance. dmesg below. Thanks. -ag OpenBSD 7.3 (GENERIC.MP) #1125: Sat Mar 25 10:36:29 MDT 2023 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 8367906816 (7980MB) avail mem = 8094904320 (7719MB) random: good seed from bootblocks mpath0 at root scsibus0 at mpath0: 256 targets mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 3.2 @ 0x79857000 (18 entries) bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version "GB7 0.08" date 05/25/2021 bios0: BESSTAR TECH LIMITED GK41 efi0 at bios0: UEFI 2.7 efi0: American Megatrends rev 0x5000d acpi0 at bios0: ACPI 6.2 acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP FPDT FIDT MSDM MCFG SSDT DBG2 DBGP HPET LPIT APIC NPKT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT TPM2 DMAR WDAT NHLT WSMT acpi0: wakeup devices HDAS(S3) XHC_(S4) XDCI(S4) RP01(S4) PXSX(S4) RP02(S4) PXSX(S4) RP03(S4) PXSX(S4) RP04(S4) PXSX(S4) RP05(S4) PXSX(S4) RP06(S4) PXSX(S4) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 32 bits acpimcfg0 at acpi0 acpimcfg0: addr 0xe000, bus 0-255 acpihpet0 at acpi0: 1920 Hz acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4125 CPU @ 2.00GHz, 1994.48 MHz, 06-7a-08 cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,TSC_ADJUST,SGX,SMEP,ERMS,MPX,RDSEED,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,SHA,UMIP,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES cpu0: 24KB 64b/line 6-way D-cache, 32KB 64b/line 8-way I-cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: smt 0, core 0, package 0 mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support, 10 var ranges, 88 fixed ranges cpu0: apic clock running at 19MHz cpu0: mwait min=64, max=64, C-substates=0.2.0.2.4.2.1.1, IBE cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor) cpu1: Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4125 CPU @ 2.00GHz, 1994.48 MHz, 06-7a-08 cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,TSC_ADJUST,SGX,SMEP,ERMS,MPX,RDSEED,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,SHA,UMIP,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES cpu1: 24KB 64b/line 6-way D-cache, 32KB 64b/line 8-way I-cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu1: smt 0, core 1, package 0 cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 4 (application processor) cpu2: Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4125 CPU @ 2.00GHz, 1994.48 MHz, 06-7a-08 cpu2: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,TSC_ADJUST,SGX,SMEP,ERMS,MPX,RDSEED,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,SHA,UMIP,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES cpu2: 24KB 64b/line 6-way D-cache, 32KB 64b/line 8-way I-cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu2: smt 0, core 2, package 0 cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 6 (application processor) cpu3: Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4125 CPU @ 2.00GHz, 1994.48 MHz, 06-7a-08 cpu3: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8
Re: PC Engines APU platform EOL
On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 1:33 PM Olaf Schreck wrote: > > > The edgerouter 6p works with OpenBSD/octeon and has a rackmount > bracket. > > > Wow. And it has a serial port. with an RJ45 connector. Hopefully the > RS232 > > pinouts are nicely documented somewhere. Cannot seem to find those > details > > right now. > > I have an edgerouter lite with this RJ45 serial port. Works just fine with > the blue "Cisco" serial cables. > I have an edgerouter lite but made a hole in the case and connected a usb HUB on it, can boot from it, plus a upd device, plus a 3.5 Sata HDD (with external power, i put some notes on the sata - usb adapter so people connect first the adapter to power then to the usb hub...)
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> > The edgerouter 6p works with OpenBSD/octeon and has a rackmount bracket. > Wow. And it has a serial port. with an RJ45 connector. Hopefully the RS232 > pinouts are nicely documented somewhere. Cannot seem to find those details > right now. I have an edgerouter lite with this RJ45 serial port. Works just fine with the blue "Cisco" serial cables.
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On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 03:42:37AM +1000, Damian McGuckin wrote: > On Thu, 4 May 2023, Stefan Sperling wrote: > > > The edgerouter 6p works with OpenBSD/octeon and has a rackmount bracket. > > Wow. And it has a serial port. with an RJ45 connector. Hopefully the RS232 > pinouts are nicely documented somewhere. Cannot seem to find those details > right now. A cisco style rj45 serial cable works. > I wonder whether the Edgerouter 8 with double the RAM is a wiser choice? > > I will go and read the installation instructions for OpenBSD. > > I see there was some feedback in 2018 from Bryan. He used an SSD mounted > over the USB port (and had some issues). Looks like it works at up to about > 450Mbps. Probably enough. Probably should test it against 7.3 then. I have had one in production for 2 years until the USB stick failed. It was working reliably up to that point. An SSD would probably need an external power supply. I tried without one and saw I/O errors. But I don't see why it wouldn't work with a USB 3 to SATA adapter that also provides sufficient power.
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On Thu, 4 May 2023, Stefan Sperling wrote: The edgerouter 6p works with OpenBSD/octeon and has a rackmount bracket. Wow. And it has a serial port. with an RJ45 connector. Hopefully the RS232 pinouts are nicely documented somewhere. Cannot seem to find those details right now. I wonder whether the Edgerouter 8 with double the RAM is a wiser choice? I will go and read the installation instructions for OpenBSD. I see there was some feedback in 2018 from Bryan. He used an SSD mounted over the USB port (and had some issues). Looks like it works at up to about 450Mbps. Probably enough. Probably should test it against 7.3 then. Thanks - Damian Pacific Engineering Systems International . 20D Grose St, Glebe NSW 2037 Ph:+61-2-8571-0847 .. Fx:+61-2-9692-9623 | unsolicited email not wanted here Views & opinions here are mine and not those of any past or present employer
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On Thu, May 04, 2023 at 09:45:27AM -0400, David Higgs wrote: > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 1:30 AM fRANz wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:30 AM Martin Schröder > > wrote: > > > > > https://www.pcengines.ch/eol.htm > > > The end is near for APUs :-( > > > > :( > > Happy apu2 & apu4 user here. > > Are there other OpenBSD friendly options? > > Regards, > > -f > > > > Someday I'll need to replace my APU and prefer not to wade through > aliexpress. If there aren't any spares left, it looks like the ODROID H3 > with the expansion NIC board might be a good match for my needs. > https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-h3/ > https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/h2-net-card/ > > Someone recently posted a dmesg too: > https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=168182784030477&w=2 > > I've got no particular affinity for x86 hardware. Has anyone found an > equivalent that can run arm64 with a minimum of installation fussiness and > 3x NICs? The edgerouter 6p works with OpenBSD/octeon and has a rackmount bracket.
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On 2023-05-04 5:18, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > You'll open up many more options if you allow a quiet fan for rackmount, > or allow using a non-rackmount box on a rack shelf. I'm in the same boat where I need to replace my current apu4s with a new rackmounted solution. The research I've done so far brings me to the same conclusion as Stuart, rackmounted and fanless solutions are few and far between. One option I did see was that the Protecli which was mentioned earlier in this thread sells a shelf(1) which you can use to attach up to two vault devices to. However I'm leaning towards finding a rack mounted solution with quiet fans, I have a 4U server(2) I bought years ago with large fans which is very quiet, but that is obviously overkill to replace my apus with. I'll finally mention that I have an HP DL360 (few generations old) which is suprisingly quiet most of the time as well. thanks, .jh (1) https://protectli.com/product/rack-mount-shelf/ (2) https://silentpc.com/servers/
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On 2023/05/04 10:25, Johan Huldtgren wrote: > On 2023-05-04 5:18, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > > You'll open up many more options if you allow a quiet fan for rackmount, > > or allow using a non-rackmount box on a rack shelf. > > I'm in the same boat where I need to replace my current apu4s with a > new rackmounted solution. The research I've done so far brings me to > the same conclusion as Stuart, rackmounted and fanless solutions are > few and far between. One option I did see was that the Protecli > which was mentioned earlier in this thread sells a shelf(1) which you > can use to attach up to two vault devices to. > > However I'm leaning towards finding a rack mounted solution with quiet > fans, I have a 4U server(2) I bought years ago with large fans which is > very quiet, but that is obviously overkill to replace my apus with. I'll > finally mention that I have an HP DL360 (few generations old) which is > suprisingly quiet most of the time as well. > > thanks, > > .jh > > (1) https://protectli.com/product/rack-mount-shelf/ > (2) https://silentpc.com/servers/ Unless you have dust problems or a big requirement to avoid moving parts that you can't mitigate by just having more fans than the minimum requirement, fanless might well not be necessary, a low airflow fan can be pretty quiet and will make a huge difference to cooling compared to no fan. (BTW another thing to watch out for with fanless machines; in some cases the machine is fanless but there's a separate PSU which is not!)
Re: PC Engines APU platform EOL
I'm in the midst of testing the R86S as an alternative to my APU. My biggest issues so far with it: - No UART port, or even one to solder a header to. That means you're stuck with HDMI during install or to do any rescue work. - The SFPs in the taller version are Mellanox ConnectX-3s, which aren't supported in OpenBSD like the 4s and 5s. My ISP does fibre to the home, so I was hoping to directly connect my SFP to my firewall, bypassing my modem entirely. If you don't need SFP support, then the 2.5GbE ports seem to be supported. Otherwise it does seem like a very capable machine. On 5/4/23 00:23, Damian McGuckin wrote: On Thu, 4 May 2023, Maksim Rodin wrote: Is there any problem with fanless x86_64 mini PCs with several NICs, sold on aliexpress? Maybe, or give up on the rackmount and buy the R86S, as in https://www.aliexpress.com/i/1005004765507664.html An alternative is to buy 3 APU4s now 3 to cover failures and spares over the next few years. Hopefully, they still have some left. Thanks - Damian Pacific Engineering Systems International . 20D Grose St, Glebe NSW 2037 Ph:+61-2-8571-0847 .. Fx:+61-2-9692-9623 | unsolicited email not wanted here Views & opinions here are mine and not those of any past or present employer
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On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 1:30 AM fRANz wrote: > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:30 AM Martin Schröder > wrote: > > > https://www.pcengines.ch/eol.htm > > The end is near for APUs :-( > > :( > Happy apu2 & apu4 user here. > Are there other OpenBSD friendly options? > Regards, > -f > Someday I'll need to replace my APU and prefer not to wade through aliexpress. If there aren't any spares left, it looks like the ODROID H3 with the expansion NIC board might be a good match for my needs. https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-h3/ https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/h2-net-card/ Someone recently posted a dmesg too: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=168182784030477&w=2 I've got no particular affinity for x86 hardware. Has anyone found an equivalent that can run arm64 with a minimum of installation fussiness and 3x NICs? --david
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On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 8:24 AM Damian McGuckin wrote: > > On Thu, 4 May 2023, Maksim Rodin wrote: > > > Is there any problem with fanless x86_64 mini PCs with several NICs, > > sold on aliexpress? > > Maybe, or give up on the rackmount and buy the R86S, as in > > https://www.aliexpress.com/i/1005004765507664.html > > An alternative is to buy 3 APU4s now 3 to cover failures and spares over > the next few years. Hopefully, they still have some left. > > Thanks - Damian The R86S looks cute, but on closer inspection it has a fan. They even crammed *two* fans in there for the taller version. That doesn't necessarily mean it makes a lot of noise, but if fanless is a strict requirement for other reasons it's out.
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On Thu, 4 May 2023, Maksim Rodin wrote: Is there any problem with fanless x86_64 mini PCs with several NICs, sold on aliexpress? Maybe, or give up on the rackmount and buy the R86S, as in https://www.aliexpress.com/i/1005004765507664.html An alternative is to buy 3 APU4s now 3 to cover failures and spares over the next few years. Hopefully, they still have some left. Thanks - Damian Pacific Engineering Systems International . 20D Grose St, Glebe NSW 2037 Ph:+61-2-8571-0847 .. Fx:+61-2-9692-9623 | unsolicited email not wanted here Views & opinions here are mine and not those of any past or present employer
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Hello, Is there any problem with fanless x86_64 mini PCs with several NICs, sold on aliexpress? On Thu May 4 13:19:17 2023, Aaron Mason wrote: > On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 1:17 PM Damian McGuckin wrote: > > > > > > > Happy apu2 & apu4 user here. > > > > Ditto. > > > > > Are there other OpenBSD friendly options? > > > > Same question but qualifying that to add FANLESS and RACKMOUNT. > > > > I am thinking of trying an Intel Ruggest NUC for some scenarios but at > > best, they have dual RJ45 ethernets. > > > > Thanks - Damian > > > > The ZimaBoards are x86 based, again dual NICs but they do have the > PCIe slot to add extra. > > -- > Aaron Mason - Programmer, open source addict > I've taken my software vows - for beta or for worse > -- С уважением, Родин Максим
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On 2023-05-04, Damian McGuckin wrote: > >> Happy apu2 & apu4 user here. > > Ditto. > >> Are there other OpenBSD friendly options? > > Same question but qualifying that to add FANLESS and RACKMOUNT. The combination of both of those is tricky, rackmount servers are expected to keep at operating temperature with other equipment above+below generating heat too, which normally means some level of active cooling. Akasa Galileo TU3 Plus is a 1u mini-itx chassis with heatpipe and fins which looks like it might be an option, and some of the supported boards are ones which I'd expect OpenBSD to run ok on, but you'd need to be careful with heat sources. You'll probably need a PCIe multi-port NIC with those boards and that will add its own heat too. You'll open up many more options if you allow a quiet fan for rackmount, or allow using a non-rackmount box on a rack shelf.
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On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 1:17 PM Damian McGuckin wrote: > > > > Happy apu2 & apu4 user here. > > Ditto. > > > Are there other OpenBSD friendly options? > > Same question but qualifying that to add FANLESS and RACKMOUNT. > > I am thinking of trying an Intel Ruggest NUC for some scenarios but at > best, they have dual RJ45 ethernets. > > Thanks - Damian > The ZimaBoards are x86 based, again dual NICs but they do have the PCIe slot to add extra. -- Aaron Mason - Programmer, open source addict I've taken my software vows - for beta or for worse
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Happy apu2 & apu4 user here. Ditto. Are there other OpenBSD friendly options? Same question but qualifying that to add FANLESS and RACKMOUNT. I am thinking of trying an Intel Ruggest NUC for some scenarios but at best, they have dual RJ45 ethernets. Thanks - Damian
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"Linux is slowly losing it's appeal for servers. IT is starting to notice that Linux servers are cracked almost as much as Windows servers. A large problem with any OS lacking a central authority to insure that nothing is added before being fully verified as not introducing a vulnerability." -Thomas Beaudry You know Thomas, you're right! We need a better, new, OS. Especially one that's appealing for servers, because they're the decision makers, after all. We cannot have anything that's "cracked", but, as per the wise words of Leonard Cohen: "Ring the bells that still can ring Forget your perfect offering There is a crack in everything That's how the light gets in…" -Leonard Cohen And here it comes: Why don't we just start over with the seL4 microkernel? Let's put performance and security as the priorities (equal priorities). Let's scrap all of these competing monolithic, sophisticated, OSes that have been in development for decades. We need to throw out all of these working wheels with their own relevant use cases and wonderful communities, and see what we can do with seL4. Clearly. -Katie From: owner-m...@openbsd.org on behalf of Thomas M. Beaudry Sent: 01 May 2023 18:48 To: Mihai Popescu Cc: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: PC Engines APU platform EOL Attention : courriel externe | external email Linux is slowly losing it's appeal for servers. IT is starting to notice that Linux servers are cracked almost as much as Windows servers. A large problem with any OS lacking a central authority to insure that nothing is added before being fully verified as not introducing a vulnerability. On Fri, Apr 28, 2023, 12:53 Mihai Popescu wrote: > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:30 AM Martin Schröder > wrote: > > > https://www.pcengines.ch/eol.htm > > The end is near for APUs :-( > > It may be the end for open/free source as we know it. > > The market is moving to ARM for hardware. As for the software, Linux > is preferred - a lot of code, a lot of options, very flexible, very > configurable. > There are other options of course, like RISC IV and BSDs, but those > are just for research and fun (TM). > >
Re: PC Engines APU platform EOL
Linux is slowly losing it's appeal for servers. IT is starting to notice that Linux servers are cracked almost as much as Windows servers. A large problem with any OS lacking a central authority to insure that nothing is added before being fully verified as not introducing a vulnerability. On Fri, Apr 28, 2023, 12:53 Mihai Popescu wrote: > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:30 AM Martin Schröder > wrote: > > > https://www.pcengines.ch/eol.htm > > The end is near for APUs :-( > > It may be the end for open/free source as we know it. > > The market is moving to ARM for hardware. As for the software, Linux > is preferred - a lot of code, a lot of options, very flexible, very > configurable. > There are other options of course, like RISC IV and BSDs, but those > are just for research and fun (TM). > >
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On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:30 AM Martin Schröder wrote: > https://www.pcengines.ch/eol.htm > The end is near for APUs :-( It may be the end for open/free source as we know it. The market is moving to ARM for hardware. As for the software, Linux is preferred - a lot of code, a lot of options, very flexible, very configurable. There are other options of course, like RISC IV and BSDs, but those are just for research and fun (TM).
Re: PC Engines APU platform EOL
Hi, My apu4 died and I tried a rpi4 but was less than impressed by it. Fairly low power and I had reliability issues with the USB ports. I was just using it to run a webcam doing 2 snapshots/minute to be able to create time lapse movies. It also ran my personal web server and handled incoming email. Very lightly loaded. After about 6 months (I had to go to nightly reboots to keep it stable), after a lot of indecision (build a desktop?), research and reading lots of advice on this email list, I went to a Protectli Vault 2 Port (I only need 2 ports). https://ca.protectli.com/vault-2-port/ If you need the extra ports like the pcengines, they do have a 4 port and a 6 port. I live in Canada and they ship from Canada (as well as US). It shipped immediately. Customer service is excellent. When I got it, I noticed that there's a sata port & power on the motherboard. I wasn't sure what the 4 pin connector was called to order it off the Internet and they reached out to their engineers who gave me the specs. (The connector is a JST PH2.0 4 pin for everyone's reference). In the end, they mailed me a sata and power cable without charging the shipping fee. I am very happy with this product, but as you will read on the mail list archives, there are similar systems available from various online websites. I decided to support this company even if it was a bit more money just to have a better chance at getting support. I have been very happy with the product and the support. I just upgraded to 7.3 yesterday and here's the only unsupported devices: mini# grep 'not configured' /tmp/x "INT33BD" at acpi0 not configured "10EC5670" at acpi0 not configured "BOOT" at acpi0 not configured "Intel Braswell Power" rev 0x35 at pci0 dev 11 function 0 not configured "Intel Braswell SIO DMA" rev 0x35 at pci0 dev 24 function 0 not configured "Intel Braswell SIO I2C" rev 0x35 at pci0 dev 24 function 1 not configured "Intel Braswell SIO I2C" rev 0x35 at pci0 dev 24 function 2 not configured "Intel Braswell SIO DMA" rev 0x35 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 not configured Full dmesg below. Cheers, Steve W. -- OpenBSD 7.3 (GENERIC.MP) #1125: Sat Mar 25 10:36:29 MDT 2023 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 8519700480 (8125MB) avail mem = 8242081792 (7860MB) random: good seed from bootblocks mpath0 at root scsibus0 at mpath0: 256 targets mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.7 @ 0x7cd1a020 (8 entries) bios0: vendor coreboot version "v4.9.0.3" date 10/14/2022 bios0: Protectli FW2B acpi0 at bios0: ACPI 3.0 acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT MCFG APIC acpi0: wakeup devices XHCI(S3) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpimcfg0 at acpi0 acpimcfg0: addr 0xe000, bus 0-255 acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU J3060 @ 1.60GHz, 2480.25 MHz, 06-4c-04 cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,RDRAND,NXE,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,TSC_ADJUST,SMEP,ERMS,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,SENSOR,ARAT,MELTDOWN cpu0: 24KB 64b/line 6-way D-cache, 32KB 64b/line 8-way I-cache, 1MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: smt 0, core 0, package 0 mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support, 8 var ranges, 88 fixed ranges cpu0: apic clock running at 79MHz cpu0: mwait min=64, max=64, C-substates=0.2, IBE cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 4 (application processor) cpu1: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU J3060 @ 1.60GHz, 2480.50 MHz, 06-4c-04 cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,RDRAND,NXE,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,TSC_ADJUST,SMEP,ERMS,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,SENSOR,ARAT,MELTDOWN cpu1: 24KB 64b/line 6-way D-cache, 32KB 64b/line 8-way I-cache, 1MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu1: smt 0, core 2, package 0 ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 115 pins acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpipci0 at acpi0 PCI0: 0x 0x0011 0x0001 "INT33BD" at acpi0 not configured acpicmos0 at acpi0 com0 at acpi0 COM1 addr 0x3f8/0x8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo "10EC5670" at acpi0 not configured chvgpio0 at acpi0 GPSW uid 1 addr 0xfed8/0x8000 irq 49, 56 pins chvgpio1 at acpi0 GPNC uid 2 addr 0xfed88000/0x8000 irq 48, 59 pins chvgpio2 at acpi0 GPEC uid 3 addr 0xfed9/0x8000 irq 50, 24 pins chvgpio3 at acpi0 GPSE uid 4 addr 0xfed98000/0x8000 irq 91, 55 pins acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB "BOOT" at acpi0 not configured acpicpu0 at acpi0: C2 bad (state 6 has no substates): C3 bad (state 6 has no substates): C1(1000@1 mwait.1), PSS acpicpu1 at acpi0: C2 bad (state 6 has no substate
Re: PC Engines APU platform EOL
On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:30 AM Martin Schröder wrote: > https://www.pcengines.ch/eol.htm > The end is near for APUs :-( :( Happy apu2 & apu4 user here. Are there other OpenBSD friendly options? Regards, -f
PC Engines APU platform EOL
https://www.pcengines.ch/eol.htm The end is near for APUs :-( Best Martin
