Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 04:40:51PM -0800, James Hozier wrote: My MacBook Pro's wireless doesn't work, which is a big thing for me...I couldn't get X to work, either. Details (including dmesg and failed xorg.log) to myself and matthieu@ please. Unless it is nvidia. In which case don't bother, the nv driver is bad black magic and not worth the pain. -0- -- Who made the world I cannot tell; 'Tis made, and here am I in hell. My hand, though now my knuckles bleed, I never soiled with such a deed. -- A. E. Housman
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
My MacBookPro with a recent snapshot works pretty good: # sysctl hw.product hw.product=MacBookPro2,2 # ifconfig athn0 athn0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 lladdr 00:19:e3:d9:96:9b priority: 4 groups: wlan egress media: IEEE802.11 autoselect (OFDM54 mode 11g) status: active ieee80211: nwid chan 10 bssid 00:23:04:c9:7f:60 41dB wpapsk 0x wpaprotos wpa1,wpa2 wpaakms psk wpaciphers tkip,ccmp wpagroupcipher tkip inet6 fe80::219:e3ff:fed9:969b%athn0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 inet 192.0.2.160 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.0.2.255 (sometimes takes a couple of ifconfig up/down to wake up) startx works perfectly at full resolution: # grep -i xres /var/log/Xorg.0.log XRes: 1440, YRes: 900, DotClock: 96310 /Pete # cat /var/run/dmesg.boot OpenBSD 4.6-current (GENERIC.MP) #391: Fri Jan 15 14:55:45 MST 2010 t...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7600 @ 2.33GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.33 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUS H,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,CX16, xTPR real mem = 2131234816 (2032MB) avail mem = 2056310784 (1961MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 07/29/05, SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xe (40 entries) bios0: vendor Apple Inc. version MBP22.88Z.00A5.B07.0708131242 date 08/13/07 bios0: Apple Computer, Inc. MacBookPro2,2 acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP HPET APIC MCFG ASF! SBST ECDT SSDT SSDT SSDT acpi0: wakeup devices ADP1(S3) LID0(S3) PXS1(S4) PXS2(S4) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB3(S3) USB4(S3) USB7(S3) EC__(S3) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 166MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7600 @ 2.33GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.33 GHz cpu1: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUS H,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,CX16, xTPR ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 0, remapped to apid 1 acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 1 (PEGP) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 2 (RP01) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 3 (RP02) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 4 (RP03) acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus 12 (PCIB) acpiec0 at acpi0 acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C2, C1, PSS acpicpu1 at acpi0: C3, C2, C1, PSS acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit online acpibtn0 at acpi0: LID0 acpibtn1 at acpi0: PWRB acpibtn2 at acpi0: SLPB acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT0 model 14127832176087873 type 14127832377542988 oem 14127833101004627 acpivideo0 at acpi0: GFX0 acpivout0 at acpivideo0: DD01 acpivout1 at acpivideo0: DD02 acpivout2 at acpivideo0: DD03 acpivout3 at acpivideo0: DD04 acpivout4 at acpivideo0: DD05 bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xfa00 cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 2328 MHz: speeds: 2333, 2167, 2000, 1833, 1667, 1500, 1333, 1000 MHz memory map conflict 0x7ff0/0x10 memory map conflict 0xf00f8000/0x1000 memory map conflict 0xfed1c000/0x4000 memory map conflict 0xfffb/0x3 pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel 82945GM Host rev 0x03 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 Intel 82945GM PCIE rev 0x03: apic 1 int 16 (irq 11) pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 ATI Radeon Mobility X1600 rev 0x00 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) radeondrm0 at vga1: apic 1 int 16 (irq 11) drm0 at radeondrm0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x27a3 (class DASP subclass Time and Frequency, rev 0x03) at pci0 dev 7 function 0 not configured azalia0 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 Intel 82801GB HD Audio rev 0x02: apic 1 int 22 (irq 10) azalia0: codecs: Sigmatel STAC9220/1 audio0 at azalia0 ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 Intel 82801GB PCIE rev 0x02: apic 1 int 17 (irq 11) pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 mskc0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 Marvell Yukon 88E8053 rev 0x22, Yukon-2 EC rev. A3 (0x2): apic 1 int 16 (irq 11) msk0 at mskc0 port A: address 00:17:f2:d8:f0:8d eephy0 at msk0 phy 0: 88E Gigabit PHY, rev. 2 ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 1 Intel 82801GB PCIE rev 0x02: apic 1 int 16 (irq 11) pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 athn0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 Atheros AR5418 rev 0x01: apic 1 int 17 (irq 10), address 00:19:e3:d9:96:9b athn0: MAC AR5418 rev 2, RF AR5133 (2T3R), ROM rev 4 ppb3 at pci0 dev 28 function 2 Intel 82801GB PCIE rev 0x02: apic 1 int 18 (irq 11) pci4 at ppb3 bus 4 uhci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x02: apic 1 int 23 (irq 11) uhci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 1 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x02: apic 1 int 19 (irq 11) uhci2 at pci0 dev 29 function 2 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x02: apic 1 int 18 (irq 11) uhci3 at pci0 dev 29 function 3 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x02: apic 1 int 16 (irq
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, Pete Vickers wrote: My MacBookPro with a recent snapshot works pretty good: # sysctl hw.product hw.product=MacBookPro2,2 FYI, the current MacPook Pro model is NVidia all the way. The wireless adapter is a Broadcom BCM4322. Other current Apple machines are very similar in this regard. (the umass0/sd0 is a USB flashdrive) OpenBSD 4.6-current (GENERIC.MP) #347: Thu Dec 10 16:00:00 MST 2009 dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP RTC BIOS diagnostic error ffclock_battery,ROM_cksum,config_unit,memory_size,fixed_disk,invalid_time cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P7550 @ 2.26GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.26 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLU SH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,CX1 6,xTPR real mem = 1852579840 (1766MB) avail mem = 1786335232 (1703MB) RTC BIOS diagnostic error ffclock_battery,ROM_cksum,config_unit,memory_size,fixed_disk,invalid_time mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 07/29/05, SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xe (42 entries) bios0: vendor Apple Inc. version MBP55.88Z.00AC.B03.0906151708 date 06/15/09 bios0: Apple Inc. MacBookPro5,5 acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP HPET APIC APIC MCFG ASF! SBST ECDT SSDT SSDT SSDT acpi0: wakeup devices ADP1(S3) LID0(S3) EC__(S3) OHC1(S3) EHC1(S3) OHC2(S3) EHC2(S3) GIGE(S5) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpihpet0 at acpi0: 2500 Hz acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 265MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P7550 @ 2.26GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.26 GHz cpu1: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLU SH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,CX1 6,xTPR ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 11, 24 pins ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 0, remapped to apid 1 acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 2 (IXVE) acpiec0 at acpi0 acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C2, C1, PSS acpicpu1 at acpi0: C3, C2, C1, PSS acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit online acpibtn0 at acpi0: LID0 acpibtn1 at acpi0: PWRB acpibtn2 at acpi0: SLPB acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT0 model 3545797981023400290 type 3545797981528607052 oem 3545797981528673619 bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xe800 cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 2256 MHz: speeds: 2261, 2128, 1862, 1596, 798 MHz memory map conflict 0xffc0/0x40 pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) mem address conflict 0x9340/0x8 pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 NVIDIA MCP79 Host rev 0xb1 NVIDIA MCP79 Memory rev 0xb1 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 not configured pcib0 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 NVIDIA MCP79 ISA rev 0xb3 NVIDIA MCP79 Memory rev 0xb1 at pci0 dev 3 function 1 not configured nviic0 at pci0 dev 3 function 2 NVIDIA MCP79 SMBus rev 0xb1 iic0 at nviic0 admtemp0 at iic0 addr 0x18: Xeon iic0: addr 0x19 05=c2 06=11 07=a2 words 00=0017 01= 02= 03= 04= 05=c290 06=1131 07=a201 spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x50: 1GB DDR3 SDRAM PC3-8500 SO-DIMM with thermal sensor spdmem1 at iic0 addr 0x51: 1GB DDR3 SDRAM PC3-8500 SO-DIMM with thermal sensor iic1 at nviic0 iic1: addr 0x2c 00=ff 02=08 03=f9 07=60 0d=71 71=06 86=4a 90=73 91=51 92=97 93=7b 94=21 95=3c 96=65 97=90 9f=0c a0=3d a1=3d a2=3d a3=3d a4=3d a5=3d a6=3d a7=3d a8=3d a9=3f aa=3d ab=3d ac=3d ad=3d ae=3d af=3d b0=3d b1=3d b2=3d b3=3d b4=3d b5=3d b6=3d b7=3d b8=3d b9=3d ba=3d bb=3d bc=3d bd=3d be=3d bf=3d words 00=ff00 01=0008 02=08f9 03=f900 04= 05= 06=0060 07=6000 NVIDIA MCP79 Memory rev 0xb1 at pci0 dev 3 function 3 not configured vendor NVIDIA, unknown product 0x0a98 (class memory subclass RAM, rev 0xb1) at pci0 dev 3 function 4 not configured NVIDIA MCP79 Co-processor rev 0xb1 at pci0 dev 3 function 5 not configured ohci0 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 NVIDIA MCP79 USB rev 0xb1: apic 1 int 11 (irq 11), version 1.0, legacy support ehci0 at pci0 dev 4 function 1 NVIDIA MCP79 USB rev 0xb1: apic 1 int 10 (irq 10) usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 NVIDIA EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 ohci1 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 NVIDIA MCP79 USB rev 0xb1: apic 1 int 7 (irq 7), version 1.0, legacy support ehci1 at pci0 dev 6 function 1 NVIDIA MCP79 USB rev 0xb1: apic 1 int 5 (irq 5) usb1 at ehci1: USB revision 2.0 uhub1 at usb1 NVIDIA EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 azalia0 at pci0 dev 8 function 0 NVIDIA MCP79 HD Audio rev 0xb1: apic 1 int 15 (irq 15) azalia0: codecs: Cirrus Logic/0x4206 audio0 at azalia0 ppb0 at pci0 dev 9 function 0 NVIDIA MCP79 PCIE rev 0xb1 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 nfe0 at pci0 dev 10 function 0 NVIDIA MCP79 LAN rev 0xb1: apic 1 int 14 (irq 14), address 00:26:4a:19:cf:b4 rgephy0 at nfe0 phy 1: RTL8169S/8110S PHY, rev. 2 pciide0 at pci0 dev 11 function 0 NVIDIA MCP79 SATA rev 0xb1: DMA pciide0: using apic 1 int 11 (irq 11) for native-PCI interrupt wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: Hitachi
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
Yea, as an earlier post said the wireless is a BCM4322 and is unsupported and the graphics is nVidia. :( --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Owain Ainsworth zer...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Owain Ainsworth zer...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Which laptops do the developers use? To: James Hozier guitars...@yahoo.com Cc: misc@openbsd.org Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 1:27 PM On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 04:40:51PM -0800, James Hozier wrote: My MacBook Pro's wireless doesn't work, which is a big thing for me...I couldn't get X to work, either. Details (including dmesg and failed xorg.log) to myself and matthieu@ please. Unless it is nvidia. In which case don't bother, the nv driver is bad black magic and not worth the pain. -0- -- Who made the world I cannot tell; 'Tis made, and here am I in hell. My hand, though now my knuckles bleed, I never soiled with such a deed. -- A. E. Housman
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, Pete Vickers wrote: # cat /var/run/dmesg.boot OpenBSD 4.6-current (GENERIC.MP) #391: Fri Jan 15 14:55:45 MST 2010 t...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7600 @ 2.33GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.33 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUS H,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,CX16, xTPR real mem = 2131234816 (2032MB) avail mem = 2056310784 (1961MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 07/29/05, SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xe (40 entries) bios0: vendor Apple Inc. version MBP22.88Z.00A5.B07.0708131242 date 08/13/07 bios0: Apple Computer, Inc. MacBookPro2,2 uvideo0 at uhub0 port 4 configuration 1 interface 0 Apple Computer Bluetooth rev 2.00/1.10 addr 2 Bluetooth device attaching as uvideo0 -- is it really a Bluetooth or an integrated camera? uvideo0: loadfirmware error=2! Not a surprise then. uhidev3 at uhub1 port 2 configuration 1 interface 1 Apple Computer Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad rev 2.00/0.18 addr 2 uhidev3: iclass 3/1, 5 report ids ums1 at uhidev3 reportid 2: 3 buttons Always curious where those three buttons are. Regards, David
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
Yea, that's why I want to buy a ThinkPad but I don't know which models are 100% supported out of the box with no problems and everything works (graphics, sound, keyboard, wireless, etc.) with OpenBSD so I'm asking which ones the devs use --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Owain Ainsworth zer...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Owain Ainsworth zer...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Which laptops do the developers use? To: James Hozier guitars...@yahoo.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 4:11 PM On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 06:45:37AM -0800, James Hozier wrote: Yea, as an earlier post said the wireless is a BCM4322 and is unsupported and the graphics is nVidia. :( 'fraid you're SOL then. -0- -- Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and exposing them to the critic. -- Ambrose Bierce
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
Thinkpad x200s works perfectly -X without xorg.conf (though killing X after having attached an external monitor can blank the device totally, so that you have to change to a console and type blindly) -Sound and keys for it (mute, volume up and down) -acpi (no suspend, though, obviously) -screen brightness (higher, lower with Fn+home, end) -card reader (!!) -wireless (iwn0, needs firmware) -keyboard -em0 -the usb ports seem to be identified as 1.0, so that the speed is very low, but that is seemingly not a problem of open, but of the bios reporting a wrong value (see previous thread in misc) Pau and the laptop is extremely silent Yea, that's why I want to buy a ThinkPad but I don't know which models are 100% supported out of the box with no problems and everything works (graphics, sound, keyboard, wireless, etc.) with OpenBSD so I'm asking which ones the devs use --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Owain Ainsworth zer...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Owain Ainsworth zer...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Which laptops do the developers use? To: James Hozier guitars...@yahoo.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 4:11 PM On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 06:45:37AM -0800, James Hozier wrote: Yea, as an earlier post said the wireless is a BCM4322 and is unsupported and the graphics is nVidia. :( 'fraid you're SOL then. -0- -- Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and exposing them to the critic. -- Ambrose Bierce
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Pau vim.u...@googlemail.com wrote: Thinkpad x200s works perfectly -the usb ports seem to be identified as 1.0, so that the speed is very low, but that is seemingly not a problem of open, but of the bios reporting a wrong value (see previous thread in misc) They attach as ehci on mine, though I'm not seeing particularly speedy transfers.
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Pau vim.u...@googlemail.com wrote: Thinkpad x200s works perfectly -the usb ports seem to be identified as 1.0, so that the speed is very low, but that is seemingly not a problem of open, but of the bios reporting a wrong value (see previous thread in misc) They attach as ehci on mine, though I'm not seeing particularly speedy transfers. the config of the ports seems to be different, by virtue of the magnetized or demagnetized nature of the port. Check out the port on the left, nearer the heat vent. That seems to be magnetized. Any difference for that vs the rest of the ports (unmagnetized) for you? -jf -- Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. --Richard Stallman It's so hard to write a graphics driver that open-sourcing it would not help. -- Andrew Fear, Software Product Manager, NVIDIA Corporation http://kerneltrap.org/node/7228
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim jfs.wo...@gmail.com wrote: Thinkpad x200s works perfectly They attach as ehci on mine, though I'm not seeing particularly speedy transfers. the config of the ports seems to be different, by virtue of the magnetized or demagnetized nature of the port. Check out the port on the left, nearer the heat vent. That seems to be magnetized. Any difference for that vs the rest of the ports (unmagnetized) for you? The left ones are uhub1, the right one uhub0, but I don't see any difference in performance or attachment (echi0 vs echi1 is all).
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
On Monday 18 January 2010 16:14:57 James Hozier wrote: Yea, that's why I want to buy a ThinkPad but I don't know which models are 100% supported out of the box with no problems and everything works (graphics, sound, keyboard, wireless, etc.) with OpenBSD so I'm asking which ones the devs use My W500 works with the exception of the winmodem (cough) and possibly the camera and finger print reader, though someone said they had the reader working, and camera support has gotten far better. I don't have either on my W500 so I can't test that. I'm really happy with mine. --STeve Andre'
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On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:40 PM, James Hozier guitars...@yahoo.com wrote: My MacBook Pro's wireless doesn't work, which is a big thing for me...I couldn't get X to work, either. Does MacBook Pro have one of those mini-ePCI cards that can be replaced, or is it soldered on-board?
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
Either way, I'd either have to spend money on a replacement mini-PCI card or a USB wireless card. I'd rather just buy a new laptop; I don't like the hardware scheme anyway (with the EFI partition and all that instead of a BIOS). --- On Sun, 1/10/10, nixlists nixmli...@gmail.com wrote: From: nixlists nixmli...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Which laptops do the developers use? To: misc@openbsd.org Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 10:59 PM On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:40 PM, James Hozier guitars...@yahoo.com wrote: My MacBook Pro's wireless doesn't work, which is a big thing for me...I couldn't get X to work, either. Does MacBook Pro have one of those mini-ePCI cards that can be replaced, or is it soldered on-board?
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 6:12 PM, James Hozier guitars...@yahoo.com wrote: Either way, I'd either have to spend money on a replacement mini-PCI card or a USB wireless card. I'd rather just buy a new laptop; I don't like the hardware scheme anyway (with the EFI partition and all that instead of a BIOS). If I'd want to buy a laptop, I'd want nothing else than the recent MacBook or MacBook Pro, provided it runs everything I'd want it to run... How much is the replacement wireless? Around $30? The power adapter connector on the MacBook alone makes it better than anything out there, not to mention all the other innovation and design. Do you have people and/or animals running around, stumbling on the power cord? This might seem like the most irrelevant thing to worry about in a laptop, but to me it's quite important. Yes, I do know that Steve Jobs has a tyrannical streak - I am sure there are proprietary hardware issues - nVidia, etc.
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* nixlists nixmli...@gmail.com [2010-01-11 02:20]: If I'd want to buy a laptop, I'd want nothing else than the recent MacBook or MacBook Pro stockholm syndrome -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting
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On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote: * nixlists nixmli...@gmail.com [2010-01-11 02:20]: If I'd want to buy a laptop, I'd want nothing else than the recent MacBook or MacBook Pro stockholm syndrome Hostages don't shop around for captors. Nice try though.
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
My MacBook Pro's wireless doesn't work, which is a big thing for me...I couldn't get X to work, either. --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Olivier Cherrier o...@symacx.com wrote: From: Olivier Cherrier o...@symacx.com Subject: Re: Which laptops do the developers use? To: nixlists nixmli...@gmail.com Cc: OpenBSD Questions misc@openbsd.org Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 7:16 AM On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 04:50:48PM -0500, nixmli...@gmail.com wrote: MacBook? MacBook Air? PowerBook? Supported at all? PowerBook? Sure. But I don't see how this is related to i386-laptop.html. Oops. Meant MacBook Pro. Sorry. Yes, it works. -- Olivier Cherrier - Symacx.com mailto:o...@symacx.com
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On Thu, 7 Jan 2010, Ted Unangst wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim jfs.wo...@gmail.com wrote: thanks. I understand the problem with maintaining a list like that, but personally, i prefer a list with a note explaining the situation, than no list at all. Some stuff would be laptop-specific as well (as opposed to i386-general). Like how the new fingerprint readers on thinkpads dont work. That would be good information to put up. People Are fingerprint readers listed on www.openbsd.org/i386.html? No? Then they aren't supported. Mine works fine on lenovo x300 with sysutils/login_fingerprint. -- Antoine
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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:34 AM, Antoine Jacoutot ajacou...@bsdfrog.org wrote: On Thu, 7 Jan 2010, Ted Unangst wrote: Are fingerprint readers listed on www.openbsd.org/i386.html? No? Then they aren't supported. Mine works fine on lenovo x300 with sysutils/login_fingerprint. Yeah, actually, this is a tough case. Are USB gadgets that can be supported by userland drivers/programs supported? (Do we need to add USB rocket launchers to the list?)
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On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of answers eg. here http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscw=2r=1s=developer+laptopq=b and info from this page http://www.openbsd.org/want.html : Laptops. These die often enough that our developers need about 2-3 replacements a year. is somewhat descriptive too. just wondering - the url http://www.openbsd.org/i386-laptop.html is pointed out a few times. What happened to it? I located a mirror (how up-to-date i have no idea), btw at http://mirror.hosting-concepts.com/pub/OpenBSD/i386-laptop.html -jf -- In the meantime, here is your PSA: It's so hard to write a graphics driver that open-sourcing it would not help. -- Andrew Fear, Software Product Manager, NVIDIA Corporation http://kerneltrap.org/node/7228
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 11:57:58PM +0800, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of answers eg. here http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscw=2r=1s=developer+laptopq=b and info from this page http://www.openbsd.org/want.html : Laptops. These die often enough that our developers need about 2-3 replacements a year. is somewhat descriptive too. just wondering - the url http://www.openbsd.org/i386-laptop.html is pointed out a few times. What happened to it? I located a mirror (how up-to-date i have no idea), btw at http://mirror.hosting-concepts.com/pub/OpenBSD/i386-laptop.html It was removed some time ago with a comment along the lines of laptops are just i386 machines, and those almost always work, so we don't need a specific list anymore. Anyway, it tended to list a miniscule subset of all laptops, anyway, so it wasn't all that useful. Joachim
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
It was removed because it was out of date and didn't contain anything really useful. Laptops basically work just fine with OpenBSD minus some moody ones. On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 11:57:58PM +0800, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of answers eg. here http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscw=2r=1s=developer+laptopq=b and info from this page http://www.openbsd.org/want.html : Laptops. These die often enough that our developers need about 2-3 replacements a year. is somewhat descriptive too. just wondering - the url http://www.openbsd.org/i386-laptop.html is pointed out a few times. What happened to it? I located a mirror (how up-to-date i have no idea), btw at http://mirror.hosting-concepts.com/pub/OpenBSD/i386-laptop.html -jf -- In the meantime, here is your PSA: It's so hard to write a graphics driver that open-sourcing it would not help. -- Andrew Fear, Software Product Manager, NVIDIA Corporation http://kerneltrap.org/node/7228
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: It was removed because it was out of date and didn't contain anything really useful. Laptops basically work just fine with OpenBSD minus some moody ones. MacBook? MacBook Air? PowerBook? Supported at all?
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
2010/1/8 Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us: It was removed because it was out of date and didn't contain anything really useful. Laptops basically work just fine with OpenBSD minus some moody ones. My oldish dell 6000 laptop runs just perfect on openbsd. Couple of years back, suspend wouldn't work on it i think it was 4.2. :-) -- Regards Ishwor Gurung Key id:0xa98db35e Key fingerprint:FBEF 0D69 6DE1 C72B A5A8 35FE 5A9B F3BB 4E5E 17B5
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Matthias Kilian k...@outback.escape.de wrote: MacBook? MacBook Air? PowerBook? Supported at all? PowerBook? Sure. But I don't see how this is related to i386-laptop.html. Oops. Meant MacBook Pro. Sorry.
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 04:10:34PM -0500, nixlists wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: It was removed because it was out of date and didn't contain anything really useful. Laptops basically work just fine with OpenBSD minus some moody ones. MacBook? MacBook Air? PowerBook? Supported at all? PowerBook? Sure. But I don't see how this is related to i386-laptop.html.
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
2010/1/7 nixlists nixmli...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: It was removed because it was out of date and didn't contain anything really useful. Laptops basically work just fine with OpenBSD minus some moody ones. MacBook? MacBook Air? PowerBook? Supported at all? Last time I tried was on 4.5 (last generation of white macbooks): - mine macbook had an unsupported broadcom wifi - the MP kernel wouldn't boot - the fans were also always high - brightness worked - ethernet/keyboard/mouse/usb worked - I remember some problem with the keyboard on a Macbook Pro. I sold it and bought a lenovo x61s, couldn't be happier.
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 07:39:09PM -0200, Christiano Farina Haesbaert wrote: 2010/1/7 nixlists nixmli...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: It was removed because it was out of date and didn't contain anything really useful. Laptops basically work just fine with OpenBSD minus some moody ones. MacBook? MacBook Air? PowerBook? Supported at all? Last time I tried was on 4.5 (last generation of white macbooks): - mine macbook had an unsupported broadcom wifi - the MP kernel wouldn't boot - the fans were also always high - brightness worked - ethernet/keyboard/mouse/usb worked - I remember some problem with the keyboard on a Macbook Pro. That's because gwk@ won't stop talking about how awesome they are long enough to get 'em to work right... I sold it and bought a lenovo x61s, couldn't be happier.
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
2010/1/8 Christiano Farina Haesbaert haesba...@haesbaert.org: [...] I sold it and bought a lenovo x61s, couldn't be happier. I got myself an x61 too. It runs Linux 2.6 though. Wooops! did I just say Linux? :-) -- Regards Ishwor Gurung Key id:0xa98db35e Key fingerprint:FBEF 0D69 6DE1 C72B A5A8 35FE 5A9B F3BB 4E5E 17B5
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 11:57:58PM +0800, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of answers eg. here http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscw=2r=1s=developer+laptopq=b and info from this page http://www.openbsd.org/want.html : Laptops. These die often enough that our developers need about 2-3 replacements a year. is somewhat descriptive too. just wondering - the url http://www.openbsd.org/i386-laptop.html is pointed out a few times. What happened to it? I located a mirror (how up-to-date i have no idea), btw at http://mirror.hosting-concepts.com/pub/OpenBSD/i386-laptop.html It was removed because it was out of date and didn't contain anything really useful. Laptops basically work just fine with OpenBSD minus some moody ones. thanks. I understand the problem with maintaining a list like that, but personally, i prefer a list with a note explaining the situation, than no list at all. Some stuff would be laptop-specific as well (as opposed to i386-general). Like how the new fingerprint readers on thinkpads dont work. That would be good information to put up. People also care about other things like fan speed control (are the fans always on high?), and suspend and hibernate. That's my opinion. -jf
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:15:44 +0800, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim wrote: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 11:57:58PM +0800, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of answers eg. here http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscw=2r=1s=developer+laptopq=b and info from this page http://www.openbsd.org/want.html : Laptops. These die often enough that our developers need about 2-3 replacements a year. is somewhat descriptive too. just wondering - the url http://www.openbsd.org/i386-laptop.html is pointed out a few times. What happened to it? I located a mirror (how up-to-date i have no idea), btw at http://mirror.hosting-concepts.com/pub/OpenBSD/i386-laptop.html It was removed because it was out of date and didn't contain anything really useful. Laptops basically work just fine with OpenBSD minus some moody ones. thanks. I understand the problem with maintaining a list like that, but personally, i prefer a list with a note explaining the situation, than no list at all. Some stuff would be laptop-specific as well (as opposed to i386-general). Like how the new fingerprint readers on thinkpads dont work. That would be good information to put up. People also care about other things like fan speed control (are the fans always on high?), and suspend and hibernate. That's my opinion. You could set up a wiki. Then it would be as up to date as the volunteer contributors and no load on the devs who don't want/need/care about it. See how popular it is. It may just help a dev sometime to see that a problem exists that he is interested in. Good luck! *** NOTE *** Please DO NOT CC me. I am subscribed to the list. Mail to the sender address that does not originate at the list server is tarpitted. The reply-to: address is provided for those who feel compelled to reply off list. Thankyou. Rod/ --- This life is not the real thing. It is not even in Beta. If it was, then OpenBSD would already have a man page for it.
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim jfs.wo...@gmail.com wrote: thanks. I understand the problem with maintaining a list like that, but personally, i prefer a list with a note explaining the situation, than no list at all. Some stuff would be laptop-specific as well (as opposed to i386-general). Like how the new fingerprint readers on thinkpads dont work. That would be good information to put up. People Are fingerprint readers listed on www.openbsd.org/i386.html? No? Then they aren't supported.
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 04:50:48PM -0500, nixmli...@gmail.com wrote: MacBook? MacBook Air? PowerBook? Supported at all? PowerBook? Sure. But I don't see how this is related to i386-laptop.html. Oops. Meant MacBook Pro. Sorry. Yes, it works. -- Olivier Cherrier - Symacx.com mailto:o...@symacx.com
Which laptops do the developers use?
I didn't want to bother all of them with e-mails so hopefully if any of them see this post, they might respond. Or if someone knows which models they are using they can let me know.
Re: Which laptops do the developers use?
A lot of answers eg. here http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscw=2r=1s=developer+laptopq=b and info from this page http://www.openbsd.org/want.html : Laptops. These die often enough that our developers need about 2-3 replacements a year. is somewhat descriptive too. On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 5:03 PM, James Hozier guitars...@yahoo.com wrote: I didn't want to bother all of them with e-mails so hopefully if any of them see this post, they might respond. Or if someone knows which models they are using they can let me know. -- http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html
