geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
ANECDOTALLY, network driver geom times out under moderate steady load on a Sun Blade 150 within an hour of use. (as in network stops working, everything else is ok, and dmesg says "geom0: device timeout" about every 30 seconds; and reboot fixes it) Haven't seen the problem yet under Linux. Have seen it multiple times under OpenBSD 4.2. The machine was able to be up for days no problem busy with cd /usr/ports/x11/kde && sudo make, so generally all else is well. I will try 4.3 soon. I know this is poor problem report. It's about all I have. I can do my work equally well for now under any BSD or Linux so punting is ok for me. (I'm porting some stuff to all of OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD, Linux.) lspci from Linux: s00:00.0 Host bridge: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. Psycho UPA-PCI Bus Module [pcipsy] 00:03.0 Non-VGA unclassified device: ALi Corporation M7101 Power Management Controller [PMU] 00:05.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 21152 PCI-to-PCI Bridge 00:07.0 ISA bridge: ALi Corporation M1533/M1535 PCI to ISA Bridge [Aladdin IV/V/V+] 00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 01) 00:0c.0 Bridge: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. RIO EBUS (rev 01) 00:0c.1 Ethernet controller: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. RIO 10/100 Ethernet [eri] (rev 01) 00:0c.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. RIO 1394 (rev 01) 00:0c.3 USB Controller: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. RIO USB (rev 01) 00:0d.0 IDE interface: ALi Corporation M5229 IDE (rev c3) 00:13.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL (rev 27) 01:00.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 21152 PCI-to-PCI Bridge 02:01.0 Bridge: Xerox Corporation Unknown device 0017 02:04.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments PCILynx/PCILynx2 IEEE 1394 Link Layer Controller (rev 04) I assume Linux dmesg isn't interesting, and I can send OpenBSD dmesg if it matters. Fuller disclosure: The first install I saw this on I had partly done cd /usr/src && make, it failed eventually not knowing some size, I didn't know you had to build the kernel first. Anyway, I reinstalled, didn't rebuild any of OpenBSD that time, same behavior. Fuller disclosure: hardware bought used on eBay, can't really be vouched for. But Linux isn't having the problem. Sound at all familiar? Thanks, - Jay
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
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Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
I have no idea. OBP = "on board PROM"? I'll research this, but not right away. Anecdotally, Linux is running well, been up for a few days, with the same sort of scenarios I was attempting in OpenBSD, just a bunch of ssh/scp/cvs/gcc/ld. Is it possible OpenBSD is sensitive to having the latest OBP and Linux is not? Yes. Is it possible for OpenBSD to lose this sensitivity and work as well as Linux, in this regard? (Far be it for me to suggest that OpenBSD does not work better than Linux in general. I do appreciate the OpenBSD attitude, like the web page with reasons to build your own kernel, every single reason starts with the same discouragement. :) ) In this case, Linux == Ubuntu 7.10. Thanks, - Jay > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; misc@openbsd.org> Subject: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:54:25 +0100> > > Are you running the latest version of OBP on the system?> _> > All new Live Search at Live.com> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001006ukm/direct/01/
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
> I have no idea. OBP = "on board PROM"? nearly OpenBoot Prom http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/advsearch.do?collection=PATCH&type=collections &queryKey5=119235&toDocument=yes _ Discover and Win with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001007ukm/direct/01/
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
sdisplay0 at vgafb0: console (std, sun emulation)usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0uhub0 at usb0: Sun OHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1"pcons" at mainbus0 not configuredrum0 at uhub0 port 1rum0: Ralink 802.11 bg WLAN, rev 2.00/0.01, addr 2rum0: MAC/BBP RT2573 (rev 0x2573a), RF RT2528, address 00:17:9a:c3:84:c1uhidev0 at uhub0 port 4 configuration 1 interface 0uhidev0: Sun Microsystems Type 6 Keyboard, rev 1.10/2.00, addr 3, iclass 3/1ukbd0 at uhidev0: 8 modifier keys, 6 key codes, layout 33wskbd0 at ukbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0bootpath: /[EMAIL PROTECTED],0/[EMAIL PROTECTED],0/[EMAIL PROTECTED],0root on wd0a swap on wd0b dump on wd0b From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 22:31:42 + I have no idea. OBP = "on board PROM"? I'll research this, but not right away. Anecdotally, Linux is running well, been up for a few days, with the same sort of scenarios I was attempting in OpenBSD, just a bunch of ssh/scp/cvs/gcc/ld. Is it possible OpenBSD is sensitive to having the latest OBP and Linux is not? Yes. Is it possible for OpenBSD to lose this sensitivity and work as well as Linux, in this regard? (Far be it for me to suggest that OpenBSD does not work better than Linux in general. I do appreciate the OpenBSD attitude, like the web page with reasons to build your own kernel, every single reason starts with the same discouragement. :) )In this case, Linux == Ubuntu 7.10. Thanks, - Jay > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; misc@openbsd.org> Subject: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:54:25 +0100> > > Are you running the latest version of OBP on the system?> _> > All new Live Search at Live.com> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001006ukm/direct/01/
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
My OBP is definitely out of date, but I haven't yet been able to fix that. I'm not sure if it requires installing Solaris (which file systems can OB access?), which I've been unable to do, and I'm not sure if it requires cracking open the machine, which I am reluctant to do, but might do. Someone did tell me they see this in "current", however I finally noticed this promising note: http://www.openbsd.org/plus43.html Changes made between OpenBSD 4.2 and OpenBSD 4.3: >> Fixed watchdog timeouts on gem(4). Wireless is working surprisingly well, and my 4.3 CDs are en route. :) - Jay [ snip ..] > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; misc@openbsd.org> Subject: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:54:25 +0100> > > Are you running the latest version of OBP on the system?> _
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
> apt-get upgrade left Linux failing to boot. > Solaris 9 install fails very early, something about newfs failing. > I really tried a bunch of manual parameters, besides that it > is run automatically.I think 10 is in the mail. (I have 10 on > DVD but so far only a CD drive on the machine). if you mean the installer complains about disk failure then try this: http://www.geeklan.co.uk/?p=61 otherwise I'd highly recommend you upgrade the OBP! Sevan / Venture37 _ Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on eBay today! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001004ukm/direct/01/
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
I don't think that is it, but I will try, thank you. I'm pretty sure the label that OpenBSD and/or Ubuntu left me with is a Solaris type. And dumb me, I didn't consider OBP as helping the install too. So the questions remain if I can install OBP without Solaris, and if I'll have to crack open the case. I'll see... The error from setup is like "newfs failed". If I run newfs manually, ALMOST no matter I try, it always seems to tell me my numbers are wrong. I've tried various -f and -i values. But I did find some that worked, but then I guess setup still wants to re-newfs it and gets it wrong. Setup doesn't show the whole message but I assume it is using the wrong numbers or something. Thanks, - Jay > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; misc@openbsd.org> Subject: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 01:40:00 +0100> > > > > apt-get upgrade left Linux failing to boot.> > Solaris 9 install fails very early, something about newfs failing.> > I really tried a bunch of manual parameters, besides that it> > is run automatically.I think 10 is in the mail. (I have 10 on> > DVD but so far only a CD drive on the machine).> > if you mean the installer complains about disk failure then try this:> http://www.geeklan.co.uk/?p=61> > otherwise I'd highly recommend you upgrade the OBP!> > > Sevan / Venture37> _> Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on eBay today!> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001004ukm/direct/01/
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
> And dumb me, I didn't consider OBP as helping the install too. > So the questions remain if I can install OBP without Solaris, and if I'll have to crack open the case. > I'll see... >From the OBP update page: "Note 1: This utility is *not* OS-dependent. The list of releases shown under the "Solaris Release" and "SunOS Release" sections may not be complete: The absence of a valid Solaris Release or SunOS Release from the lists above does not preclude the installation of this patch against the hardware." _ Be a Hero and Win with Iron Man http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001009ukm/direct/01/
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
So, just as I say this, the page is at: http://www.SMTPS.net/netboot_flash_obp.html I did an Ultra 10 this way with no problems. I may have done an Ultra2 as well. cheers bruce On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 07:59:48AM +0100, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: > > And dumb me, I didn't consider OBP as helping the install too. > > So the questions remain if I can install OBP without Solaris, and if I'll > have to crack open the case. > > I'll see... > > From the OBP update page: > "Note 1: This utility is *not* OS-dependent. The list of releases shown under > the >"Solaris Release" and "SunOS Release" sections may not be complete: > The >absence of a valid Solaris Release or SunOS Release from the lists > above >does not preclude the installation of this patch against the > hardware." > > > > _ > Be a Hero and Win with Iron Man > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001009ukm/direct/01/
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
Hi, Sorry, that went only to Sevan. Sorry Sevan. You can netboot the OBP upgrade. I've done it. What I can't seem to do is put my hands on how to do this right now. I seem to remember that the key is to get the right boot loader from ?solaris? maybe? Note that this is not without some risk. You probably want to play around to make sure that the boot works well before trying the upgrade. cheers bruce On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 07:59:48AM +0100, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: > > And dumb me, I didn't consider OBP as helping the install too. > > So the questions remain if I can install OBP without Solaris, and if I'll > have to crack open the case. > > I'll see... > > From the OBP update page: > "Note 1: This utility is *not* OS-dependent. The list of releases shown under > the >"Solaris Release" and "SunOS Release" sections may not be complete: > The >absence of a valid Solaris Release or SunOS Release from the lists > above >does not preclude the installation of this patch against the > hardware." > > > > _ > Be a Hero and Win with Iron Man > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001009ukm/direct/01/
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
Awesome, thanks! Normally I would have said "I have never netbooted; it seems too hard to setup" but those look like great instructions. And I was almost right in my paranoia about needing Solaris. I still wonder though -- if OpenBSD's UFS is the same format as Solaris's, or if OpenBSD can create a Solaris format of file system, then I think OpenBoot can read the files. And if not, not. I think. Mitigating factors: I got 4.3 in the mail that supposedly fixes this. The wireless networking is working fine. The OPB isn't even known to fix this, but hopefully. But yeah, running old OBP/BIOS not great. - Jay > Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:21:46 +0200> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; misc@openbsd.org> Subject: Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> > So, just as I say this, the page is at:> > http://www.SMTPS.net/netboot_flash_obp.html> > I did an Ultra 10 this way with no problems. I may have done> an Ultra2 as well.> > cheers> > bruce> > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 07:59:48AM +0100, Sevan / > Venture37 > wrote:> > > And dumb me, I didn't consider OBP as helping the install too.> > > So the questions remain if I can install OBP without Solaris, and if I'll> > have to crack open the case.> > > I'll see...> > > > From the OBP update page:> > "Note 1: This utility is *not* OS-dependent. The list of releases shown under> > the> > "Solaris Release" and "SunOS Release" sections may not be complete:> > The> > absence of a valid Solaris Release or SunOS Release from the lists> > above> > does not preclude the installation of this patch against the> > hardware."> > > > > > > > _> > Be a Hero and Win with Iron Man> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001009ukm/direct/01/> >
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
well, of course OB can read the file system.It loads the kernel after all.The instructions are encouraging: OB> boot disk /flash-update Cool, like, the flash-update is a kernel?Well, not that, but a program runnable as if it is a kernel? But it looks like "the OS", er, the OS installer, is between OB and the kernel;Specifically there are some "boot blocks" installed by the OS, and the OpenBSD ones don't recognize the file format of the flash-update. Darn. Maybe there is a way? - Jay From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 20:17:26 + Awesome, thanks!Normally I would have said "I have never netbooted; it seems too hard to setup" but those look like great instructions.And I was almost right in my paranoia about needing Solaris.I still wonder though -- if OpenBSD's UFS is the same format as Solaris's, or if OpenBSD can create a Solaris format of file system, then I think OpenBoot can read the files. And if not, not. I think.Mitigating factors: I got 4.3 in the mail that supposedly fixes this. The wireless networking is working fine. The OPB isn't even known to fix this, but hopefully. But yeah, running old OBP/BIOS not great. - Jay > Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:21:46 +0200> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; misc@openbsd.org> Subject: Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> > So, just as I say this, the page is at:> > http://www.SMTPS.net/netboot_flash_obp.html> > I did an Ultra 10 this way with no problems. I may have done> an Ultra2 as well.> > cheers> > bruce> > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 07:59:48AM +0100, Sevan / > Venture37 > wrote:> > > And dumb me, I didn't consider OBP as helping the install too.> > > So the questions remain if I can install OBP without Solaris, and if I'll> > have to crack open the case.> > > I'll see...> > > > From the OBP update page:> > "Note 1: This utility is *not* OS-dependent. The list of releases shown under> > the> > "Solaris Release" and "SunOS Release" sections may not be complete:> > The> > absence of a valid Solaris Release or SunOS Release from the lists> > above> > does not preclude the installation of this patch against the> > hardware."> > > > > > > > _> > Be a Hero and Win with Iron Man> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001009ukm/direct/01/> >
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
I have a Netra T1 that unexpectedly fell off the net. I think it was alive but without working network. It was power cycled before I had a chance to look at it. After the event I found this: Apr 16 16:41:11 sun /bsd: gem0: device timeout Apr 16 16:41:44 sun last message repeated 3 times Apr 16 16:43:45 sun last message repeated 13 times Apr 16 16:53:48 sun last message repeated 111 times Apr 16 16:59:09 sun syslogd: start Apr 16 16:59:09 sun /bsd: console is /[EMAIL PROTECTED],0/[EMAIL PROTECTED],1/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED],3f8 I am still waiting for it to do it again. If I had access to it I'd update OBP not pontificate about boot loaders and file systems. OpenBSD 4.3-current (GENERIC) #0: Fri Mar 28 19:16:20 GMT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/sparc64/compile/GENERIC real mem = 1073741824 (1024MB) avail mem = 1027112960 (979MB) mainbus0 at root: Netra T1 200 (UltraSPARC-IIe 500MHz) cpu0 at mainbus0: SUNW,UltraSPARC-IIe (rev 1.4) @ 500 MHz cpu0: physical 16K instruction (32 b/l), 16K data (32 b/l), 256K external (64 b/l) psycho0 at mainbus0: SUNW,sabre, impl 0, version 0, ign 7c0 psycho0: bus range 0-2, PCI bus 0 psycho0: dvma map c000-dfff, iotdb 1278000-12f8000 pci0 at psycho0 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 1 "Sun Simba PCI-PCI" rev 0x13 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 ebus0 at pci1 dev 12 function 0 "Sun RIO EBus" rev 0x01 "flashprom" at ebus0 addr 0-f not configured clock1 at ebus0 addr 0-1fff: mk48t59 "SUNW,lomh" at ebus0 addr 20-23 ivec 0x2a not configured alipm0 at pci1 dev 3 function 0 "Acer Labs M7101 Power" rev 0x00: 74KHz clock iic0 at alipm0 "max1617" at alipm0 addr 0x18 skipped due to alipm0 bugs spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x54: 256MB SDRAM registered ECC PC133CL2 spdmem1 at iic0 addr 0x55: 256MB SDRAM registered ECC PC133CL2 spdmem2 at iic0 addr 0x56: 512MB SDRAM registered ECC PC133CL2 ebus1 at pci1 dev 7 function 0 "Acer Labs M1533 ISA" rev 0x00 power0 at ebus1 addr 2000-2007 ivec 0x25 com0 at ebus1 addr 3f8-3ff ivec 0x2b: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo com0: console com1 at ebus1 addr 2e8-2ef ivec 0x2b: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo gem0 at pci1 dev 12 function 1 "Sun ERI Ether" rev 0x01: ivec 0x7c6, address 00:03:ba:0a:37:ce ukphy0 at gem0 phy 1: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 1: OUI 0x0010dd, model 0x0002 ohci0 at pci1 dev 12 function 3 "Sun USB" rev 0x01: ivec 0x7e4, version 1.0, legacy support pciide0 at pci1 dev 13 function 0 "Acer Labs M5229 UDMA IDE" rev 0xc3: DMA, channel 0 configured to native-PCI, channel 1 configured to native-PCI pciide0: using ivec 0x7cc for native-PCI interrupt pciide0: channel 0 disabled (no drives) pciide0: channel 1 disabled (no drives) gem1 at pci1 dev 5 function 1 "Sun ERI Ether" rev 0x01: ivec 0x7dc, address 00:03:ba:0a:37:cf ukphy1 at gem1 phy 1: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 1: OUI 0x0010dd, model 0x0002 ohci1 at pci1 dev 5 function 3 "Sun USB" rev 0x01: ivec 0x7e6, version 1.0, legacy support usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0 at usb0 "Sun OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb1 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1 at usb1 "Sun OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 ppb1 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "Sun Simba PCI-PCI" rev 0x13 pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 siop0 at pci2 dev 8 function 0 "Symbios Logic 53c896" rev 0x07: ivec 0x7e0, using 8K of on-board RAM scsibus0 at siop0: 16 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd0: 17274MB, 7508 cyl, 19 head, 248 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 35378533 sec total sd1 at scsibus0 targ 1 lun 0: SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd1: 17274MB, 7508 cyl, 19 head, 248 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 35378533 sec total siop1 at pci2 dev 8 function 1 "Symbios Logic 53c896" rev 0x07: ivec 0x7e0, using 8K of on-board RAM scsibus1 at siop1: 16 targets softraid0 at root siop0: target 0 now using tagged 16 bit 40.0 MHz 31 REQ/ACK offset xfers siop0: target 1 now using tagged 16 bit 40.0 MHz 31 REQ/ACK offset xfers bootpath: /[EMAIL PROTECTED],0/[EMAIL PROTECTED],0/[EMAIL PROTECTED],0/[EMAIL PROTECTED],0 root on sd0a swap on sd0b dump on sd0b WARNING: / was not properly unmounted
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
Hi, I was unable to get the obp upgrade to boot when put on a openbsd disk. I guess, but don't know for sure, that the sequence is: - obp starts - obp reads "something" - something starts - something reads the rest of the command line and reads the kernel. This "something" doesn't read the obp upgrade. If you compare the upgrade OBP with netboot to the diskless man page, the thing loaded across the network via tftp when openbsd boots is ofwboot.net. The thing loaded with tftp is the actuall upgrade program of obp in that case. cheers bruce On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 09:03:40PM +, Jay wrote: > well, of course OB can read the file system.It loads the kernel after all.The > instructions are encouraging: > OB> boot disk /flash-update > Cool, like, the flash-update is a kernel?Well, not that, but a program > runnable as if it is a kernel? > But it looks like "the OS", er, the OS installer, is between OB and the > kernel;Specifically there are some "boot blocks" installed by the OS, and the > OpenBSD ones don't recognize the file format of the flash-update. > Darn. > Maybe there is a way? > - Jay > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?Date: > Fri, 16 May 2008 20:17:26 + > > > Awesome, thanks!Normally I would have said "I have never netbooted; it seems > too hard to setup" but those look like great instructions.And I was almost > right in my paranoia about needing Solaris.I still wonder though -- if > OpenBSD's UFS is the same format as Solaris's, or if OpenBSD can create a > Solaris format of file system, then I think OpenBoot can read the files. And > if not, not. I think.Mitigating factors: I got 4.3 in the mail that > supposedly fixes this. The wireless networking is working fine. The OPB > isn't even known to fix this, but hopefully. But yeah, running old OBP/BIOS > not great. - Jay > > > Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:21:46 +0200> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; misc@openbsd.org> Subject: Re: > geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> > So, just as I say this, the > page is at:> > http://www.SMTPS.net/netboot_flash_obp.html> > I did an Ultra > 10 this way with no problems. I may have done> an Ultra2 as well.> > cheers> > > bruce> > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 07:59:48AM +0100, Sevan / > Venture37 > > wrote:> > > And dumb me, I didn't consider OBP as helping the install too.> > > > So the questions remain if I can install OBP without Solaris, and if I'll> > > have to crack open the case.> > > I'll see...> > > > From the OBP update > page:> > "Note 1: This utility is *not* OS-dependent. The list of releases > shown under> > the> > "Solaris Release" and "SunOS Release" sections may not > be complete:> > The> > absence of a valid Solaris Release or SunOS Release > from the lists> > above> > does not preclude the installation of this patch > against the> > hardware."> > > > > > > > > _> > Be a Hero > and Win with Iron Man> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001009ukm/direct/01/> >
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
Agreed. "something" is "boot blocks" and they are "installed" by "the OS". The flash-update is a 32bit ELF file and I imagine the OpenBSD/sparc64 boot blocks only like 64bit ELF. (Per my other unrelated question -- I was wrong, OpenBSD/sparc64 is pure 64 bit, gcc -m32 doesn't "work" (from a certain point of view, yes I realize it does exactly what it is meant to do, and it is arguably superior this way, rather than open a can of worms as to just what is "the architecture" of "the OS", some hard to pin down hybrid, or simply only SPARC64.) It is probably possible and not difficult to temporarily install the Solaris boot blocks (such as from the environment booting the Solaris install CD gives you), boot the flash-update, and then put back the OpenBSD boot blocks. I haven't really tried yet. It might even be possible, like, to say boot cdrom /blahblah/ or boot floppy /blahblahblah where /blahblahblah is, you know, normally just like bsd or /update-flash, the kernel or the program to run, relative to the device, but maybe you can use a "device path" there at the start and have the boot blocks on one device read the "kernel" (or rather update-flash) from another device. The flash-update is also 1.4something meg in size, which I thought therefore might fit on a floppy and be bootable completely from there, but I didn't have luck with that. The floppy drive wasn't working from OpenBSD and the floppy I produced on NT doesn't work. The size is maybe just a coincidence, and heck maybe I misread the number of digits, it was 14. I was too lazy to determine the actual value of 1.44meg -- LAZY of me, so easy to have done... I'll experiment later. I blew away my Linux/macppc and started OpenBSD/macppc install so I can try the netboot (which is something I want to try anyway). I know those directions aren't specific to macppc, or even OpenBSD, but I have no other OpenBSD machines currently, the Mac was a good candidate, and I might as well not risk Linux or MacOSX varying in an area I'm not confident in. btw, those instructions were good, but the man page looks quite good as well, maybe identical. Thanks again, I'll report back later (in case anyone cares..hey the mailing list is "misc", not "dev-important".. :) ) - Jay > Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 09:42:20 +0200> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; misc@openbsd.org> Subject: Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> > Hi,> > I was unable to get the obp upgrade to boot when put on a openbsd disk. I guess,> but don't know for sure, that the sequence is:> > - obp starts> - obp reads "something"> - something starts> - something reads the rest of the command line and reads the kernel.> > This "something" doesn't read the obp upgrade.> > If you compare the upgrade OBP with netboot to the diskless man page, the thing> loaded across the network via tftp when openbsd boots is ofwboot.net. The thing> loaded with tftp is the actuall upgrade program of obp in that case.> > > cheers> > bruce> > On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 09:03:40PM +, Jay wrote:> > well, of course OB can read the file system.It loads the kernel after all.The> > instructions are encouraging:> > OB> boot disk /flash-update> > Cool, like, the flash-update is a kernel?Well, not that, but a program> > runnable as if it is a kernel?> > But it looks like "the OS", er, the OS installer, is between OB and the> > kernel;Specifically there are some "boot blocks" installed by the OS, and the> > OpenBSD ones don't recognize the file format of the flash-update.> > Darn.> > Maybe there is a way?> > - Jay> > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]:> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?Date:> > Fri, 16 May 2008 20:17:26 +> > > > > > Awesome, thanks!Normally I would have said "I have never netbooted; it seems> > too hard to setup" but those look like great instructions.And I was almost> > right in my paranoia about needing Solaris.I still wonder though -- if> > OpenBSD's UFS is the same format as Solaris's, or if OpenBSD can create a> > Solaris format of file system, then I think OpenBoot can read the files. And> > if not, not. I think.Mitigating factors: I got 4.3 in the mail that> > supposedly fixes this. The wireless networking is working fine. The OPB> > isn't even known to fix this, but hopefully. But yeah, running old OBP/BIOS> > not great. - Jay> > > > > Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:21:46 +0200> From: [EMAIL PROTECTE
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
Ugh, this is not so easy. First of all, I am able to write the Solaris and OpenBSD bootblocks.I could not find any documentation on saving/restoring them, butI could find how to set them to a specified set. It's not difficult. You boot the Solaris CD and like/blah/installboot /blah/`uname -i`/blah/bootblk blah And when you are done, to get OpenBSD back, boot the openBSD CD and like: mount /dev/wd0 /mnt /mnt/mdec/blah/installboot /mnt/mdec/bootblk /dev/rwd0 Actually I got an error so out of paranoia I did more like: mount /dev/wd0 /mnt cp /mnt/mdec/blah/* /tmp umount /mnt /tmp/installboot /tmp/bootblk /dev/rwd0 It took me a little while to find the OpenBSD installboot, buried in "mdec" instead of any of /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /bin, /sbin..even thought to check /stand. (damn there are too many of these directories! I know people like to fragment up their hard drives into multiple partitions in order to make it harder to decide how large to make the partitions, and so then there is /bin and /usr/bin, but must we have sbin too?, and on a single partition system, can't they all just be in /bin and /usr/bin a symlink to /bin, and on a multi partition system, put them where they are "needed" and then fill the others with symlinks? I realize that's wasteful of storage and $path search...I know these are not great suggestions, but I do often wish it was all just in /bin.) find is not present in the shell when you boot the OpenBSD CD, and the one in /mnt/blah crashes. All that, and the Solaris boot blocks won't boot the flash updater either. They say something like "file just loaded does not appear to be an executable" or somesuch. This is surprising to me. I really thought this would work. Ok, so let's try the net boot approach. Well, there's a step "edit /etc/hosts in the usual way". The usual way? I always use dhcp. The usual way is not at all. So I tried my usual way.. At first I forgot to switch the Sun back from wireless to wired. After some timeout, it sort of proceeded, to the next level of recieving nothing. Ok, switch it to wired. Remember the MAC address changes (since I had gotten it from my router/dhcpd instead of .enet-addr, it was that of the wireless). It is timing out indefinitely. At least that gives me a chance to fix the tftp server. Over on the tftp server I get: warning: cannot find jay-sun1 on 192.168.2.0, or maybe the other way around. I don't know where this .0 came from. I relented then and edited /etc/hosts. First I used a 192.168 range. But then I wonder, hm, maybe that conflicts with the dhcp on the router? Maybe I should use a 10.* or such number. So I tried that. I still get the warning about 192.168.2.0, and the Sun is still just sitting timing out. I don't know where this address is coming from. Maybe it is a reference to a "group" or "mask" of addresses -- 192.168.2.*? I have run pkill -1 inetd after every edit. So maybe I should reboot. Well, it's a newly installed slow machine, I had tar xfz ports,src,xenocara.tgz running. Kill those before rebooting. mv away /usr/src, /usr/ports to /usr/delete so I will delete them after the reboot. This triggers the not as dead as I meant tar to spew warning after warning after warning unable to set file times, to a slow console (MacPPC G3 iBook). There seems to be no way for me to stop it. My router shows no IP address -- I'd ssh in. Can't control-c or fg/control-c, it's "detatched", stupid me. It's still going. I'll leave it go and then try again later. ok, i finally finished. Ugh. Flashing the BIOS is a big pain. On Windows, you just run the app, it runs within Windows, and then it reboots. ..Jay From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 08:44:53 + Agreed. "something" is "boot blocks" and they are "installed" by "the OS".The flash-update is a 32bit ELF file and I imagine the OpenBSD/sparc64 boot blocks only like 64bit ELF. (Per my other unrelated question -- I was wrong, OpenBSD/sparc64 is pure 64 bit, gcc -m32 doesn't "work" (from a certain point of view, yes I realize it does exactly what it is meant to do, and it is arguably superior this way, rather than open a can of worms as to just what is "the architecture" of "the OS", some hard to pin down hybrid, or simply only SPARC64.) It is probably possible and not difficult to temporarily install the Solaris boot blocks (such as from the environment booting the Solaris install CD gives you), boot the flash-update, and then put back the OpenBSD boot blocks. I haven't really tried yet. It might even be possible, like, to say boot cdrom
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
Ok, much progress. I got to the point where it boots the flash update and I believe I have to fix the jumper now. Here are some tricks.If you read the footnote of the instructions, you realize that RARPD and DHCP are applesand apples. You must pick just one. And it isn't up to you. It is how the Sun boots. So, extreme measure: Take both machines off the main network. No more dhcp, temporarily. Run one cable between them. No more wireless, temporarily. edit /etc/hostname.if (hostname.gem0 for me) on the rarpd/tftpd server to give it a static address I used 10.0.0.1 -- right from the start of "man hostname.if" edit /etc/hosts as instructed, I usd 10.0.0.2. I'm not sure how you "really" set up network booting. This can't be it.I know more modern systems to have dhcp in the boot environment. That should help completely. This got me to the point of rarpd sending a reply and then the Sun waiting and telling meto double check the tftpd server. Now, I varied a few things flailing around, but I think the main one wasthat the files in /tftpboot should be named in all caps. I also killed and restarted inetd, not just -1 (sighup), but that's probably not needed. I also ran inetd -d and it reported starting tftpd and then shortly after reaping it.If I ran tftpd under gdb, it exited with 1 after a short run.I was considering building it from source and debugging, but I haven't built OpenBSD yet.I THINK it was the CAPS in the file names, but not sure. AHA the instructions to use a capital X. I mistyped that. Now to open the machine and deal with the jumper... - Jay
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
Ok! It is done. I think there might be a reasonable "bug" or "feature request" here to enable the OpenBSD/sparc64 bootblk to be able to boot the flash updates, like if it is "just" a matter of supporting ELF32 or something. But I don't know. Solaris still won't install. It actually got worse, before the OBP update. Solaris setup had brought up X, now it fails to. The machine came with Solaris, but when it booted, and went graphical, the LCD couldn't keep up.. Oh well. - Jay From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 18:56:38 + Ok, much progress.I got to the point where it boots the flash update and I believe I have to fix the jumper now.
Re: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?
Boot the machine whilst holding the STOP & N key on your keyboard,that will reset your obp to defaults, then hook up a null modem cable to the sun & another box, run a terminal emulator on the other box, power cycle the sun & hold STOP & D this will cause the sun to do a full hardware diag. _ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001002ukm/direct/01/
