Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device
Haven't been able to find m braille on play store for lollypop. With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) AGM MIU Reserve Bank Of India Nagpur Co-Moderator VIB-India President VIBEWA Phone: 0712 2806846 A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and Laughter -Original Message- From: Mobile.accessindia [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:52 PM To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device Hi, Avichal, I would ask Jelly Bean Keyboard users to comment on this. Sagar, Expanding your mentioning of Braille input, one can type on Touch Screen devices using a keyboard with a layout of a 6 dot Brailler. I have heard Braille input having capabilities to surpass typing speeds of sighted on-screen keyboard typists as well, but, haven't really tried it myself. Such Braille input tools include MBraille for I OS and Android, Super Braille Keyboard on Android, and, I believe I OS 8 had some pre-integrated Braille input mechanism, I am not fully sure. Thanks. On 5/26/15, sagar sagar sagar5...@live.com wrote: Hello there I definitely agree with bhavya. We should except and adopt the touchscreen technology. I usecombination of both dictation and on-screen keyboard. If somebody requires physical keyboard why not use a Bluetooth keyboard? Let's not make a debate Have you tried iPhone by any chance? How about Braille input? That might solve the issues. Hope that helps. Sent from my iPhone On 26 May 2015, at 14:00, Avichal Bhatnagar coolavic...@gmail.com wrote: Is jellybean keyboard better than google keyboard? On 5/25/15, Bhavya shah bhavya.shah...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Rajesh Sir, I will not deny the fact that a keyboard is a more powerful input tool than a Touch Screen. However, we must adapt to our surroundings or bring a positive change. I have chosen the former because it is feasible and suitable for me, and, if you desperately require a hardware keyboard, external keyboard options are always available, from the tiniest sizes up to those several inches big. Try the best combinations of screen readers, text to speech engines, software keyboards and related typing applications, and, see how fast you can go. For instance, Google Keyboard, Jelly Bean Keyboard, Swipe Keyboard, Samsung Keyboard and others are a few recommended and accessible software keyboards, ESpeak and ETI Eloquence are two incredibly responsive text to speech engines, and Shine+ seemingly eliminates audio cutoffs in Lollipop for Motorolla devices (and Samsung ones too), so, another solution to a problem. Now, try with this combination and see if your typing speed boosts... Usage of Simbian makes our mobile experience rather restrictive and old fashioned, and, with rapidly evolving technology, despite our visual impairment, we must make efforts of adapting to various technologies through innovative mechanisms and means. Just a few thoughts on the matter... Thanks. On 5/25/15, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote: Well, voice input, though highly accurate with google, is not a substitute for typing, me thinks. What about privacy? For instance, how would I do whatsapping? And, I cannot comprehend why we have to throw away the old necessarily? The thing as useful as keyboard, for instance? I am not rangling emotionally, but do hope companies would see sense in good old physical keypad to be retained over aesthetically appealing touch screen. With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) AGM MIU Reserve Bank Of India Nagpur Co-Moderator VIB-India President VIBEWA Phone: 0712 2806846 A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and Laughter -Original Message- From: Mobile.accessindia [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 11:53 PM To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device Hi, Avichal, By IVR, do you mean dialling numbers as instructed during calls to companies technical support or customer care teams? If so, dialling one number is extremely simple and doable. If you require the steps for these, I will willingly provide them, but, if you are referring to something else, do clarify. A keyboard is a more powerful device than Touch Screen, however, if done in the right way, most of the productivity and efficiency can be emulated via a Touch Screen input method, even for the visually impaired. My first device was an Android powered full touch Motorolla G second generation which I am happily usig=ng even now. For places where I require to type, I use Voice
Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device
Is jellybean keyboard better than google keyboard? On 5/25/15, Bhavya shah bhavya.shah...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Rajesh Sir, I will not deny the fact that a keyboard is a more powerful input tool than a Touch Screen. However, we must adapt to our surroundings or bring a positive change. I have chosen the former because it is feasible and suitable for me, and, if you desperately require a hardware keyboard, external keyboard options are always available, from the tiniest sizes up to those several inches big. Try the best combinations of screen readers, text to speech engines, software keyboards and related typing applications, and, see how fast you can go. For instance, Google Keyboard, Jelly Bean Keyboard, Swipe Keyboard, Samsung Keyboard and others are a few recommended and accessible software keyboards, ESpeak and ETI Eloquence are two incredibly responsive text to speech engines, and Shine+ seemingly eliminates audio cutoffs in Lollipop for Motorolla devices (and Samsung ones too), so, another solution to a problem. Now, try with this combination and see if your typing speed boosts... Usage of Simbian makes our mobile experience rather restrictive and old fashioned, and, with rapidly evolving technology, despite our visual impairment, we must make efforts of adapting to various technologies through innovative mechanisms and means. Just a few thoughts on the matter... Thanks. On 5/25/15, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote: Well, voice input, though highly accurate with google, is not a substitute for typing, me thinks. What about privacy? For instance, how would I do whatsapping? And, I cannot comprehend why we have to throw away the old necessarily? The thing as useful as keyboard, for instance? I am not rangling emotionally, but do hope companies would see sense in good old physical keypad to be retained over aesthetically appealing touch screen. With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) AGM MIU Reserve Bank Of India Nagpur Co-Moderator VIB-India President VIBEWA Phone: 0712 2806846 A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and Laughter -Original Message- From: Mobile.accessindia [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 11:53 PM To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device Hi, Avichal, By IVR, do you mean dialling numbers as instructed during calls to companies technical support or customer care teams? If so, dialling one number is extremely simple and doable. If you require the steps for these, I will willingly provide them, but, if you are referring to something else, do clarify. A keyboard is a more powerful device than Touch Screen, however, if done in the right way, most of the productivity and efficiency can be emulated via a Touch Screen input method, even for the visually impaired. My first device was an Android powered full touch Motorolla G second generation which I am happily usig=ng even now. For places where I require to type, I use Voice Input to emulate the same speed of a keyboard user. All the same, I like my computer and its keyboarding facilities to perform majority of my tasks, however, the same applies to a significant extent to sighted people as well. Anyways, as Harish Sir rightly said, discussing this further would truly lead nowhere. Make efforts to adapt to newer technology and use existing users as an encouragement boosting point to instigate yourself to try hard to make the switch without significant compromises. It is doable. Thanks. On 5/23/15, Avichal Bhatnagar coolavic...@gmail.com wrote: I also feel that physical keypad is the best. When using a full touch screen, using IVR service becomes totally impossible. On 5/22/15, Shyam M. Sayanekar sayane...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Rajesh, I fully subscribe to your view, and some days back, I had written in detail on this point. Thanks for your views. Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar Telephone: 0251-2438457 Mobile: +91 9920410788 Skype ID- sayanekar - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device Good. May newer screen readers continue to shine on android. But, frankly, and here I believe I am speaking for most of totally blind persons above age of 35, that ease of symbian is surely missing in android touch screen phones, and I vehemently lament the loss of that ease and privacy on phone. For me, Even performing a simple task as forwarding messages is an uphill task
Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device
Hi, Rajesh Sir, I will not deny the fact that a keyboard is a more powerful input tool than a Touch Screen. However, we must adapt to our surroundings or bring a positive change. I have chosen the former because it is feasible and suitable for me, and, if you desperately require a hardware keyboard, external keyboard options are always available, from the tiniest sizes up to those several inches big. Try the best combinations of screen readers, text to speech engines, software keyboards and related typing applications, and, see how fast you can go. For instance, Google Keyboard, Jelly Bean Keyboard, Swipe Keyboard, Samsung Keyboard and others are a few recommended and accessible software keyboards, ESpeak and ETI Eloquence are two incredibly responsive text to speech engines, and Shine+ seemingly eliminates audio cutoffs in Lollipop for Motorolla devices (and Samsung ones too), so, another solution to a problem. Now, try with this combination and see if your typing speed boosts... Usage of Simbian makes our mobile experience rather restrictive and old fashioned, and, with rapidly evolving technology, despite our visual impairment, we must make efforts of adapting to various technologies through innovative mechanisms and means. Just a few thoughts on the matter... Thanks. On 5/25/15, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote: Well, voice input, though highly accurate with google, is not a substitute for typing, me thinks. What about privacy? For instance, how would I do whatsapping? And, I cannot comprehend why we have to throw away the old necessarily? The thing as useful as keyboard, for instance? I am not rangling emotionally, but do hope companies would see sense in good old physical keypad to be retained over aesthetically appealing touch screen. With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) AGM MIU Reserve Bank Of India Nagpur Co-Moderator VIB-India President VIBEWA Phone: 0712 2806846 A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and Laughter -Original Message- From: Mobile.accessindia [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 11:53 PM To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device Hi, Avichal, By IVR, do you mean dialling numbers as instructed during calls to companies technical support or customer care teams? If so, dialling one number is extremely simple and doable. If you require the steps for these, I will willingly provide them, but, if you are referring to something else, do clarify. A keyboard is a more powerful device than Touch Screen, however, if done in the right way, most of the productivity and efficiency can be emulated via a Touch Screen input method, even for the visually impaired. My first device was an Android powered full touch Motorolla G second generation which I am happily usig=ng even now. For places where I require to type, I use Voice Input to emulate the same speed of a keyboard user. All the same, I like my computer and its keyboarding facilities to perform majority of my tasks, however, the same applies to a significant extent to sighted people as well. Anyways, as Harish Sir rightly said, discussing this further would truly lead nowhere. Make efforts to adapt to newer technology and use existing users as an encouragement boosting point to instigate yourself to try hard to make the switch without significant compromises. It is doable. Thanks. On 5/23/15, Avichal Bhatnagar coolavic...@gmail.com wrote: I also feel that physical keypad is the best. When using a full touch screen, using IVR service becomes totally impossible. On 5/22/15, Shyam M. Sayanekar sayane...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Rajesh, I fully subscribe to your view, and some days back, I had written in detail on this point. Thanks for your views. Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar Telephone: 0251-2438457 Mobile: +91 9920410788 Skype ID- sayanekar - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device Good. May newer screen readers continue to shine on android. But, frankly, and here I believe I am speaking for most of totally blind persons above age of 35, that ease of symbian is surely missing in android touch screen phones, and I vehemently lament the loss of that ease and privacy on phone. For me, Even performing a simple task as forwarding messages is an uphill task even after trying and exploring touch screen for about eight months now. This will be the case until an android device with keypad comes
Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device
Friends, ShinePluss is not announcing the number of new items in Phone, Pessages and Whatsapp when I touch on these icons as in TalkBack. How to make it announce these things? On 5/24/15, Bhavya shah bhavya.shah...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Vikas, That is a good point you have raised. I haven't encountered IVRs asking to input a number more than a digit, however, I understand that this can happen. Is there any dialler which allows usage of Voice Input also known as dictation? I have found Google Voice Search to be quite accurate in catching numbers, however, haven't stumbled upon a method to use it in the Dialpad. Thanks. On 5/24/15, Vikas Kapoor dl.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Certainly Avichal, the problem becomes more acute when we are required to dial a 10 digit phone number or card number ,which is some times longer than 10 digits and the time given to input the numbers is very limited, and IVRS then automatically readjust itself to give you a fresh attempt only to hear, you have acceded your maximum limits! - Original Message - From: Avichal Bhatnagar coolavic...@gmail.com To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device I also feel that physical keypad is the best. When using a full touch screen, using IVR service becomes totally impossible. On 5/22/15, Shyam M. Sayanekar sayane...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Rajesh, I fully subscribe to your view, and some days back, I had written in detail on this point. Thanks for your views. Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar Telephone: 0251-2438457 Mobile: +91 9920410788 Skype ID- sayanekar - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device Good. May newer screen readers continue to shine on android. But, frankly, and here I believe I am speaking for most of totally blind persons above age of 35, that ease of symbian is surely missing in android touch screen phones, and I vehemently lament the loss of that ease and privacy on phone. For me, Even performing a simple task as forwarding messages is an uphill task even after trying and exploring touch screen for about eight months now. This will be the case until an android device with keypad comes along. With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) AGM MIU Reserve Bank Of India Nagpur Co-Moderator VIB-India President VIBEWA Phone: 0712 2806846 A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and Laughter -Original Message- From: Mobile.accessindia [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 5:54 PM To: eyes-free; mobile.accessindia; keyboardusers Subject: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device TAMAS GECZY ON MAY 19, 2015 For the longest time, Talkback has been the only good and useful screen reader on Android -- though this was not always the case. Senior Android users might fondly recall Spiel, which was alive around 2011 last, a screen reader that even surpassed Talkback in functionality and speed. Google then suddenly changed the entire framework for how accessibility is done on their platform, and Spiel was no more. Although current compiled releases of it can be run successfully even under Android 5.1, the code is not often maintained and needs a lot of work to be a daily driver. And then, without warning, a new contender came on to the scene. The 1 megabyte screen reader, which is technically called Shine Plus is developed by a Chinese company called ATLab. As a result, the English text of the program and manual is not constructed well, though this does not take away from its functionality if you are willing to learn and be patient with the interface. The manual can be found here in a text file form. You might be wondering, is it better than Talkback? Before we dive into some of the unique features of Shine plus, we must note that it is a very special screen reader as it also includes a screen magnifier and other tools for people who have high-partial vision. This means that it not only is a screen reader, but also a magnifier at the same time. In the Android world, that's definitely a first, and this reason alone could make it useful for many people, since changing the mode it operates in is very simple. When you first install the Shine Plus application (it does not call itself
Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device
Certainly Avichal, the problem becomes more acute when we are required to dial a 10 digit phone number or card number ,which is some times longer than 10 digits and the time given to input the numbers is very limited, and IVRS then automatically readjust itself to give you a fresh attempt only to hear, you have acceded your maximum limits! - Original Message - From: Avichal Bhatnagar coolavic...@gmail.com To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device I also feel that physical keypad is the best. When using a full touch screen, using IVR service becomes totally impossible. On 5/22/15, Shyam M. Sayanekar sayane...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Rajesh, I fully subscribe to your view, and some days back, I had written in detail on this point. Thanks for your views. Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar Telephone: 0251-2438457 Mobile: +91 9920410788 Skype ID- sayanekar - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device Good. May newer screen readers continue to shine on android. But, frankly, and here I believe I am speaking for most of totally blind persons above age of 35, that ease of symbian is surely missing in android touch screen phones, and I vehemently lament the loss of that ease and privacy on phone. For me, Even performing a simple task as forwarding messages is an uphill task even after trying and exploring touch screen for about eight months now. This will be the case until an android device with keypad comes along. With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) AGM MIU Reserve Bank Of India Nagpur Co-Moderator VIB-India President VIBEWA Phone: 0712 2806846 A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and Laughter -Original Message- From: Mobile.accessindia [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 5:54 PM To: eyes-free; mobile.accessindia; keyboardusers Subject: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device TAMAS GECZY ON MAY 19, 2015 For the longest time, Talkback has been the only good and useful screen reader on Android -- though this was not always the case. Senior Android users might fondly recall Spiel, which was alive around 2011 last, a screen reader that even surpassed Talkback in functionality and speed. Google then suddenly changed the entire framework for how accessibility is done on their platform, and Spiel was no more. Although current compiled releases of it can be run successfully even under Android 5.1, the code is not often maintained and needs a lot of work to be a daily driver. And then, without warning, a new contender came on to the scene. The 1 megabyte screen reader, which is technically called Shine Plus is developed by a Chinese company called ATLab. As a result, the English text of the program and manual is not constructed well, though this does not take away from its functionality if you are willing to learn and be patient with the interface. The manual can be found here in a text file form. You might be wondering, is it better than Talkback? Before we dive into some of the unique features of Shine plus, we must note that it is a very special screen reader as it also includes a screen magnifier and other tools for people who have high-partial vision. This means that it not only is a screen reader, but also a magnifier at the same time. In the Android world, that's definitely a first, and this reason alone could make it useful for many people, since changing the mode it operates in is very simple. When you first install the Shine Plus application (it does not call itself Another Talkback screen reader), you need to launch the application from your home screen to configure it. Here you will set your desired mode depending on the level of vision you have. First, the app will actually check whether you have Google TTS or the keyboard installed, and then will proceed to allow you the option to set your mode of preference. Once you press the back button, it will place you into the Accessibility settings of Android, where you will be given a list of available services. The three options are based on voice support, based on letter expansion, and sight protection. No, it will not protect you from the horrors of the sighted world -- that latter choice is for those who
