Hi, Rajesh Sir, I will not deny the fact that a keyboard is a more powerful input tool than a Touch Screen. However, we must adapt to our surroundings or bring a positive change. I have chosen the former because it is feasible and suitable for me, and, if you desperately require a hardware keyboard, external keyboard options are always available, from the tiniest sizes up to those several inches big. Try the best combinations of screen readers, text to speech engines, software keyboards and related typing applications, and, see how fast you can go. For instance, Google Keyboard, Jelly Bean Keyboard, Swipe Keyboard, Samsung Keyboard and others are a few recommended and accessible software keyboards, ESpeak and ETI Eloquence are two incredibly responsive text to speech engines, and Shine+ seemingly eliminates audio cutoffs in Lollipop for Motorolla devices (and Samsung ones too), so, another solution to a problem. Now, try with this combination and see if your typing speed boosts... Usage of Simbian makes our mobile experience rather restrictive and old fashioned, and, with rapidly evolving technology, despite our visual impairment, we must make efforts of adapting to various technologies through innovative mechanisms and means. Just a few thoughts on the matter... Thanks.
On 5/25/15, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote: > Well, voice input, though highly accurate with google, is not a substitute > for typing, me thinks. > What about privacy? > For instance, how would I do whatsapping? > > > And, I cannot comprehend why we have to throw away the old necessarily? > The thing as useful as keyboard, for instance? > I am not rangling emotionally, but do hope companies would see sense in good > old physical keypad to be retained over aesthetically appealing touch > screen. > > With thanks and regards > > (Rajesh Asudani) > > AGM > MIU > Reserve Bank Of India > Nagpur > > Co-Moderator > VIB-India > > President > VIBEWA > > Phone: 0712 2806846 > > A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and > Laughter > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mobile.accessindia > [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya > shah > Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 11:53 PM > To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones > and Tabs. > Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to > Shine on your Android device > > Hi, > Avichal, > By IVR, do you mean dialling numbers as instructed during calls to companies > technical support or customer care teams? If so, dialling one number is > extremely simple and doable. > If you require the steps for these, I will willingly provide them, but, if > you are referring to something else, do clarify. > A keyboard is a more powerful device than Touch Screen, however, if done in > the right way, most of the productivity and efficiency can be emulated via a > Touch Screen input method, even for the visually impaired. > My first device was an Android powered full touch Motorolla G second > generation which I am happily usig=ng even now. For places where I require > to type, I use Voice Input to emulate the same speed of a keyboard user. > All the same, I like my computer and its keyboarding facilities to perform > majority of my tasks, however, the same applies to a significant extent to > sighted people as well. > Anyways, as Harish Sir rightly said, discussing this further would truly > lead nowhere. Make efforts to adapt to newer technology and use existing > users as an encouragement boosting point to instigate yourself to try hard > to make the switch without significant compromises. It is doable. > Thanks. > > On 5/23/15, Avichal Bhatnagar <coolavic...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I also feel that physical keypad is the best. >> When using a full touch screen, using IVR service becomes totally >> impossible. >> >> On 5/22/15, Shyam M. Sayanekar <sayane...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hello Rajesh, I fully subscribe to your view, and some days back, I >>> had written in detail on this point. Thanks for your views. >>> Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar >>> Telephone: 0251-2438457 >>> Mobile: +91 9920410788 >>> Skype ID- sayanekar >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> >>> To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of >>> mobile phonesand Tabs. " <mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 10:08 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants >>> to Shine on your Android device >>> >>> >>>> Good. >>>> May newer screen readers continue to shine on android. >>>> But, frankly, and here I believe I am speaking for most of totally >>>> blind persons above age of 35, that ease of symbian is surely >>>> missing in android >>>> >>>> touch screen phones, and I vehemently lament the loss of that ease >>>> and privacy on phone. >>>> For me, Even performing a simple task as forwarding messages is an >>>> uphill task even after trying and exploring touch screen for about >>>> eight months now. >>>> This will be the case until an android device with keypad comes along. >>>> >>>> >>>> With thanks and regards >>>> >>>> (Rajesh Asudani) >>>> >>>> AGM >>>> MIU >>>> Reserve Bank Of India >>>> Nagpur >>>> >>>> Co-Moderator >>>> VIB-India >>>> >>>> President >>>> VIBEWA >>>> >>>> Phone: 0712 2806846 >>>> >>>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >>>> Laughter >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Mobile.accessindia >>>> [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of >>>> Bhavya >>>> >>>> shah >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 5:54 PM >>>> To: eyes-free; mobile.accessindia; keyboardusers >>>> Subject: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to >>>> Shine on your Android device >>>> >>>> There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android >>>> device TAMAS GECZY ON MAY 19, 2015 For the longest time, Talkback >>>> has been >>>> >>>> the only good and useful screen reader on Android -- though this was >>>> not always the case. Senior Android users might fondly recall Spiel, >>>> which was >>>> >>>> alive around 2011 last, a screen reader that even surpassed Talkback >>>> in functionality and speed. Google then suddenly changed the entire >>>> framework >>>> >>>> for how accessibility is done on their platform, and Spiel was no more. >>>> Although current compiled releases of it can be run successfully >>>> even under Android 5.1, the code is not often maintained and needs a >>>> lot of work to be a daily driver. >>>> And then, without warning, a new contender came on to the scene. The >>>> 1 megabyte screen reader, which is technically called Shine Plus is >>>> developed by a Chinese company called ATLab. As a result, the >>>> English text >>>> >>>> of the program and manual is not constructed well, though this does >>>> not take away from its functionality if you are willing to learn and >>>> be patient with the interface. The manual can be found here in a >>>> text file form. >>>> You might be wondering, is it better than Talkback? >>>> Before we dive into some of the unique features of Shine plus, we >>>> must note that it is a very special screen reader as it also >>>> includes a screen magnifier and other tools for people who have >>>> high-partial vision. This means that it not only is a screen reader, >>>> but also a magnifier at the same time. In the Android world, that's >>>> definitely a first, and this reason alone could make it useful for >>>> many people, since changing the mode >>>> >>>> it operates in is very simple. >>>> When you first install the Shine Plus application (it does not call >>>> itself >>>> >>>> "Another Talkback screen reader"), you need to launch the >>>> application from >>>> >>>> your home screen to configure it. Here you will set your desired >>>> mode depending on the level of vision you have. First, the app will >>>> actually check whether you have Google TTS or the keyboard >>>> installed, and then will >>>> >>>> proceed to allow you the option to set your mode of preference. Once >>>> you press the back button, it will place you into the Accessibility >>>> settings of Android, where you will be given a list of available >>>> services. >>>> The three options are "based on voice support", "based on letter >>>> expansion", and "sight protection." No, it will not protect you from >>>> the horrors of the sighted world -- that latter choice is for those >>>> who need to >>>> >>>> have parts of the screen spoken outloud from time to time. It allows >>>> you to use a "candy bar" which you can pan around the screen and use >>>> to read parts of it accordingly. >>>> Voice support is what those who are completely blind will use, while >>>> the other one (letter expansion) is for those who need letters >>>> zoomed bigger as they use their device. Once you have set your >>>> choice, enabling the screen reader is the next challenge. >>>> We have found that in most cases, it is impossible to press "OK" >>>> after the >>>> >>>> confirmation dialog appears which asks you to turn on Shine Plus. >>>> This is easy enough to resolve, though requires some agility. When >>>> you have reached the alert prompt to enable it, Pause Talkback >>>> either through the global context menu or the new volume up+ volume >>>> down key combination. >>>> >>>> Once paused, press near the bottom right corner of the screen, right >>>> above >>>> >>>> the home/back/recents button bar of your device. >>>> This will activate Shine plus, though you are not yet done. Lock the >>>> screen to have Talkback return. Next, go back and disable Talkback >>>> to have >>>> >>>> Shine Plus function properly. >>>> Some people have reported success with the "tripple click home" >>>> function of Shine Plus. Here, you would disable talkback and press >>>> your home button three times in quick succession to enable the >>>> service. This for us was a hit or miss on devices that do not have a >>>> physical home >>>> button- sometimes it works, other times not so. If you are using a >>>> Galaxy device however, simply disable talkback in Accessibility >>>> settings and press the home button three times. >>>> The screen reader offers some functionality not present in Talkback. >>>> For example, you can copy the screen to the clipboard, or parts of >>>> text. >>>> The "command panel" (similar to Talkback's global menu) is feature >>>> packed with other functions. There are two interesting ones called >>>> Ear Talk and whisper. With Ear Talk, you can choose a specific >>>> detail of your phone (battery status, last message) to be spoken >>>> through your phone's earpiece when it is held to your head. Ear Talk >>>> will redirect all speech to this speaker entirely, so (in theory) it >>>> could be used in situations where you are looking for privacy but do >>>> not have headphones. In practice, it is a bit tricky to use as a >>>> touch screen element can easily be activated. >>>> To access the command pannel, swipe right than left in quick >>>> succession. >>>> You will hear two high-pitched tones and the announcement, "command >>>> panel." Here are the options, from top to bottom, exploring the >>>> screen in >>>> >>>> a line left to right: >>>> * Top two lines: Includes speech and volume increments (2 stage >>>> speed on first line, / 70% volume, on second, for example.) * third >>>> line: Key echo. >>>> >>>> Notification method (Block or output all notifications), wi-fi >>>> (toggle on/off), Bluetooth (toggle on/off), cover mode (toggle >>>> on/off), speak call >>>> >>>> info, Whisper auto mode, and ear talk. >>>> * Third line: Short key, label (for graphics), marking (seems to >>>> auto label graphics?), version information, screen auto read, screen >>>> character string (spells out item in last focus), app delete, >>>> translation. >>>> * Fourth line - granularities: character, word, line, paragraph, >>>> default, copy, additional copy, paste. >>>> * Fifth line: Web list, web editbox, web phone number, Web search, >>>> Youtube >>>> >>>> search, app search, voice search. These open corresponding apps on >>>> your device, such as Youtube or the Voice Search app. >>>> * sixth line: Short key list, Shine setting, device (opens up your >>>> settings app), execute app list (opens up overview or recent apps >>>> list), sound (sound settings), Keyboard (language and input), >>>> accessibility (same >>>> >>>> as in settings.) No doubt this list is a bit overwhelming, and for >>>> this reason Shine Plus might be useful for more advanced users or >>>> those who just want a higher degree of customization. Talkback still >>>> wins for some, because it is simple to configure, is not cluttered, >>>> and thus less complicated. >>>> Similar to Talkback, it will tell you when you plug or unplug a >>>> power source. Scrolling is a bit problematic, because there is no >>>> proper earcon for knowing how far you are in a list -- it uses the >>>> Browse Mode exit sound >>>> >>>> from the popular NVDA screen reader to indicate scrolling. >>>> This was by far the largest problem with Shine Plus, and the manual >>>> is not >>>> >>>> very clear on what each setting is about. >>>> For users of devices that have capacitive buttons such as the Galaxy >>>> series, Shine Plus also allows you to double tap these (similar to >>>> how it would be on a nexus or soft-button based device), rather than >>>> using them with one tap. This feature, curiously, is also present in >>>> the latest Galaxy S6 as an accessibility setting. Other interesting >>>> features to note include the ability for seek controls to be raised >>>> or lowered with the volume keys (this is also now in Talkback 4.2), >>>> options to configure how the phone keypad works (and whether a swipe >>>> up on the screen will answer/end calls), configuring what >>>> notifications are read outloud, an option that unlocks your device >>>> automatically when power button is pressed >>>> >>>> (if there is no pin), and even a feature that will launch a specific >>>> application after your screen is turned on. >>>> Could this make a good daily screen reader? That's your call. For >>>> now, this is a project worth keeping tabs on, as it could give >>>> Google's efforts >>>> >>>> a serious run if it improves right over time. If you're patient and >>>> advanced enough, go ahead, give it a try. 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