Is jellybean keyboard better than google keyboard? On 5/25/15, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > Rajesh Sir, > I will not deny the fact that a keyboard is a more powerful input tool > than a Touch Screen. However, we must adapt to our surroundings or > bring a positive change. I have chosen the former because it is > feasible and suitable for me, and, if you desperately require a > hardware keyboard, external keyboard options are always available, > from the tiniest sizes up to those several inches big. > Try the best combinations of screen readers, text to speech engines, > software keyboards and related typing applications, and, see how fast > you can go. For instance, Google Keyboard, Jelly Bean Keyboard, Swipe > Keyboard, Samsung Keyboard and others are a few recommended and > accessible software keyboards, ESpeak and ETI Eloquence are two > incredibly responsive text to speech engines, and Shine+ seemingly > eliminates audio cutoffs in Lollipop for Motorolla devices (and > Samsung ones too), so, another solution to a problem. Now, try with > this combination and see if your typing speed boosts... > Usage of Simbian makes our mobile experience rather restrictive and > old fashioned, and, with rapidly evolving technology, despite our > visual impairment, we must make efforts of adapting to various > technologies through innovative mechanisms and means. > Just a few thoughts on the matter... > Thanks. > > On 5/25/15, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote: >> Well, voice input, though highly accurate with google, is not a >> substitute >> for typing, me thinks. >> What about privacy? >> For instance, how would I do whatsapping? >> >> >> And, I cannot comprehend why we have to throw away the old necessarily? >> The thing as useful as keyboard, for instance? >> I am not rangling emotionally, but do hope companies would see sense in >> good >> old physical keypad to be retained over aesthetically appealing touch >> screen. >> >> With thanks and regards >> >> (Rajesh Asudani) >> >> AGM >> MIU >> Reserve Bank Of India >> Nagpur >> >> Co-Moderator >> VIB-India >> >> President >> VIBEWA >> >> Phone: 0712 2806846 >> >> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >> Laughter >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mobile.accessindia >> [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of >> Bhavya >> shah >> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 11:53 PM >> To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile >> phones >> and Tabs. >> Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to >> Shine on your Android device >> >> Hi, >> Avichal, >> By IVR, do you mean dialling numbers as instructed during calls to >> companies >> technical support or customer care teams? If so, dialling one number is >> extremely simple and doable. >> If you require the steps for these, I will willingly provide them, but, >> if >> you are referring to something else, do clarify. >> A keyboard is a more powerful device than Touch Screen, however, if done >> in >> the right way, most of the productivity and efficiency can be emulated via >> a >> Touch Screen input method, even for the visually impaired. >> My first device was an Android powered full touch Motorolla G second >> generation which I am happily usig=ng even now. For places where I >> require >> to type, I use Voice Input to emulate the same speed of a keyboard user. >> All the same, I like my computer and its keyboarding facilities to >> perform >> majority of my tasks, however, the same applies to a significant extent >> to >> sighted people as well. >> Anyways, as Harish Sir rightly said, discussing this further would truly >> lead nowhere. Make efforts to adapt to newer technology and use existing >> users as an encouragement boosting point to instigate yourself to try >> hard >> to make the switch without significant compromises. It is doable. >> Thanks. >> >> On 5/23/15, Avichal Bhatnagar <coolavic...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I also feel that physical keypad is the best. >>> When using a full touch screen, using IVR service becomes totally >>> impossible. >>> >>> On 5/22/15, Shyam M. Sayanekar <sayane...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hello Rajesh, I fully subscribe to your view, and some days back, I >>>> had written in detail on this point. Thanks for your views. >>>> Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar >>>> Telephone: 0251-2438457 >>>> Mobile: +91 9920410788 >>>> Skype ID- sayanekar >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> >>>> To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of >>>> mobile phonesand Tabs. " <mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 10:08 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants >>>> to Shine on your Android device >>>> >>>> >>>>> Good. >>>>> May newer screen readers continue to shine on android. >>>>> But, frankly, and here I believe I am speaking for most of totally >>>>> blind persons above age of 35, that ease of symbian is surely >>>>> missing in android >>>>> >>>>> touch screen phones, and I vehemently lament the loss of that ease >>>>> and privacy on phone. >>>>> For me, Even performing a simple task as forwarding messages is an >>>>> uphill task even after trying and exploring touch screen for about >>>>> eight months now. >>>>> This will be the case until an android device with keypad comes >>>>> along. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> With thanks and regards >>>>> >>>>> (Rajesh Asudani) >>>>> >>>>> AGM >>>>> MIU >>>>> Reserve Bank Of India >>>>> Nagpur >>>>> >>>>> Co-Moderator >>>>> VIB-India >>>>> >>>>> President >>>>> VIBEWA >>>>> >>>>> Phone: 0712 2806846 >>>>> >>>>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >>>>> Laughter >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Mobile.accessindia >>>>> [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of >>>>> Bhavya >>>>> >>>>> shah >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 5:54 PM >>>>> To: eyes-free; mobile.accessindia; keyboardusers >>>>> Subject: [Mobile.AI] There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to >>>>> Shine on your Android device >>>>> >>>>> There's Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android >>>>> device TAMAS GECZY ON MAY 19, 2015 For the longest time, Talkback >>>>> has been >>>>> >>>>> the only good and useful screen reader on Android -- though this was >>>>> not always the case. Senior Android users might fondly recall Spiel, >>>>> which was >>>>> >>>>> alive around 2011 last, a screen reader that even surpassed Talkback >>>>> in functionality and speed. Google then suddenly changed the entire >>>>> framework >>>>> >>>>> for how accessibility is done on their platform, and Spiel was no >>>>> more. >>>>> Although current compiled releases of it can be run successfully >>>>> even under Android 5.1, the code is not often maintained and needs a >>>>> lot of work to be a daily driver. >>>>> And then, without warning, a new contender came on to the scene. The >>>>> 1 megabyte screen reader, which is technically called Shine Plus is >>>>> developed by a Chinese company called ATLab. As a result, the >>>>> English text >>>>> >>>>> of the program and manual is not constructed well, though this does >>>>> not take away from its functionality if you are willing to learn and >>>>> be patient with the interface. The manual can be found here in a >>>>> text file form. >>>>> You might be wondering, is it better than Talkback? >>>>> Before we dive into some of the unique features of Shine plus, we >>>>> must note that it is a very special screen reader as it also >>>>> includes a screen magnifier and other tools for people who have >>>>> high-partial vision. This means that it not only is a screen reader, >>>>> but also a magnifier at the same time. In the Android world, that's >>>>> definitely a first, and this reason alone could make it useful for >>>>> many people, since changing the mode >>>>> >>>>> it operates in is very simple. >>>>> When you first install the Shine Plus application (it does not call >>>>> itself >>>>> >>>>> "Another Talkback screen reader"), you need to launch the >>>>> application from >>>>> >>>>> your home screen to configure it. Here you will set your desired >>>>> mode depending on the level of vision you have. First, the app will >>>>> actually check whether you have Google TTS or the keyboard >>>>> installed, and then will >>>>> >>>>> proceed to allow you the option to set your mode of preference. Once >>>>> you press the back button, it will place you into the Accessibility >>>>> settings of Android, where you will be given a list of available >>>>> services. >>>>> The three options are "based on voice support", "based on letter >>>>> expansion", and "sight protection." No, it will not protect you from >>>>> the horrors of the sighted world -- that latter choice is for those >>>>> who need to >>>>> >>>>> have parts of the screen spoken outloud from time to time. It allows >>>>> you to use a "candy bar" which you can pan around the screen and use >>>>> to read parts of it accordingly. >>>>> Voice support is what those who are completely blind will use, while >>>>> the other one (letter expansion) is for those who need letters >>>>> zoomed bigger as they use their device. Once you have set your >>>>> choice, enabling the screen reader is the next challenge. >>>>> We have found that in most cases, it is impossible to press "OK" >>>>> after the >>>>> >>>>> confirmation dialog appears which asks you to turn on Shine Plus. >>>>> This is easy enough to resolve, though requires some agility. When >>>>> you have reached the alert prompt to enable it, Pause Talkback >>>>> either through the global context menu or the new volume up+ volume >>>>> down key combination. >>>>> >>>>> Once paused, press near the bottom right corner of the screen, right >>>>> above >>>>> >>>>> the home/back/recents button bar of your device. >>>>> This will activate Shine plus, though you are not yet done. Lock the >>>>> screen to have Talkback return. Next, go back and disable Talkback >>>>> to have >>>>> >>>>> Shine Plus function properly. >>>>> Some people have reported success with the "tripple click home" >>>>> function of Shine Plus. Here, you would disable talkback and press >>>>> your home button three times in quick succession to enable the >>>>> service. This for us was a hit or miss on devices that do not have a >>>>> physical home >>>>> button- sometimes it works, other times not so. If you are using a >>>>> Galaxy device however, simply disable talkback in Accessibility >>>>> settings and press the home button three times. >>>>> The screen reader offers some functionality not present in Talkback. >>>>> For example, you can copy the screen to the clipboard, or parts of >>>>> text. >>>>> The "command panel" (similar to Talkback's global menu) is feature >>>>> packed with other functions. There are two interesting ones called >>>>> Ear Talk and whisper. With Ear Talk, you can choose a specific >>>>> detail of your phone (battery status, last message) to be spoken >>>>> through your phone's earpiece when it is held to your head. Ear Talk >>>>> will redirect all speech to this speaker entirely, so (in theory) it >>>>> could be used in situations where you are looking for privacy but do >>>>> not have headphones. In practice, it is a bit tricky to use as a >>>>> touch screen element can easily be activated. >>>>> To access the command pannel, swipe right than left in quick >>>>> succession. >>>>> You will hear two high-pitched tones and the announcement, "command >>>>> panel." Here are the options, from top to bottom, exploring the >>>>> screen in >>>>> >>>>> a line left to right: >>>>> * Top two lines: Includes speech and volume increments (2 stage >>>>> speed on first line, / 70% volume, on second, for example.) * third >>>>> line: Key echo. >>>>> >>>>> Notification method (Block or output all notifications), wi-fi >>>>> (toggle on/off), Bluetooth (toggle on/off), cover mode (toggle >>>>> on/off), speak call >>>>> >>>>> info, Whisper auto mode, and ear talk. >>>>> * Third line: Short key, label (for graphics), marking (seems to >>>>> auto label graphics?), version information, screen auto read, screen >>>>> character string (spells out item in last focus), app delete, >>>>> translation. >>>>> * Fourth line - granularities: character, word, line, paragraph, >>>>> default, copy, additional copy, paste. >>>>> * Fifth line: Web list, web editbox, web phone number, Web search, >>>>> Youtube >>>>> >>>>> search, app search, voice search. These open corresponding apps on >>>>> your device, such as Youtube or the Voice Search app. >>>>> * sixth line: Short key list, Shine setting, device (opens up your >>>>> settings app), execute app list (opens up overview or recent apps >>>>> list), sound (sound settings), Keyboard (language and input), >>>>> accessibility (same >>>>> >>>>> as in settings.) No doubt this list is a bit overwhelming, and for >>>>> this reason Shine Plus might be useful for more advanced users or >>>>> those who just want a higher degree of customization. Talkback still >>>>> wins for some, because it is simple to configure, is not cluttered, >>>>> and thus less complicated. >>>>> Similar to Talkback, it will tell you when you plug or unplug a >>>>> power source. Scrolling is a bit problematic, because there is no >>>>> proper earcon for knowing how far you are in a list -- it uses the >>>>> Browse Mode exit sound >>>>> >>>>> from the popular NVDA screen reader to indicate scrolling. >>>>> This was by far the largest problem with Shine Plus, and the manual >>>>> is not >>>>> >>>>> very clear on what each setting is about. >>>>> For users of devices that have capacitive buttons such as the Galaxy >>>>> series, Shine Plus also allows you to double tap these (similar to >>>>> how it would be on a nexus or soft-button based device), rather than >>>>> using them with one tap. This feature, curiously, is also present in >>>>> the latest Galaxy S6 as an accessibility setting. Other interesting >>>>> features to note include the ability for seek controls to be raised >>>>> or lowered with the volume keys (this is also now in Talkback 4.2), >>>>> options to configure how the phone keypad works (and whether a swipe >>>>> up on the screen will answer/end calls), configuring what >>>>> notifications are read outloud, an option that unlocks your device >>>>> automatically when power button is pressed >>>>> >>>>> (if there is no pin), and even a feature that will launch a specific >>>>> application after your screen is turned on. >>>>> Could this make a good daily screen reader? That's your call. For >>>>> now, this is a project worth keeping tabs on, as it could give >>>>> Google's efforts >>>>> >>>>> a serious run if it improves right over time. If you're patient and >>>>> advanced enough, go ahead, give it a try. Just be sure to re-enable >>>>> talkback if you uninstall it, because without a screen reader turned >>>>> on, your phone will definitely not shine. >>>>> Source: >>>>> http://www.coolblindtech.com/theres-another-screen-reader-and-it-wan >>>>> ts-to-shine-on-your-android-device/ >>>>> -- >>>>> Warm Regards >>>>> Bhavya Shah >>>>> Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen >>>>> reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen >>>>> reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google >>>>> Talkback on Motorolla G >>>>> >>>>> second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means: >>>>> Mobile: +91 7506221750 >>>>> E-mail id: bhavya.shah...@gmail.com >>>>> Skype id : bhavya.09 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Search for previous postings at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Mobile.accessindia mailing list >>>>> Mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_access >>>>> india.org.in >>>>> >>>>> to post send mail to: mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>>> >>>>> Disclaimer: >>>>> 1. 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