[MMouse]: Re: Digest modestmouse.v001.n933
I thought the Athens dancer had some pretty fly skills! >Not to bring up the mosh thing, but I was visiting the southland last = >week and caught the Mouse in ATL. Anyway, at the show (which was OK but = >not great relative to previows shows, save for the Les Savy Fav = >set=3Dhot rocks) this reatard decked out in Korn garb actually recieved = >permission from Isac (during Custom Concern, encore) to demonstrate his = >"indie rock dance" on stage as they played. Made a total ass of him = >self just standing there head-nodding and rubbing his chin in passive = >protest of the moshless crowd. He got booted after a minute or so, at = >which time he went back to doing his air-guitar-headbang thing. Pretty = >gross. I was embarassed for him in a sngry sort of way. > >j.edgar =20
Re: [MMouse]: if yer not into off the subject, skip please
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* my first time posting one these things...I can't believe I submitted =0 >1.Who are you/where do you reside/how old are you? BILL / CLEMSON, SOUTH CAROLINA, 21 >2.What is your favorite mouse song? Trucker's Atlas >3.What are five records you couldn't live without Boards of Canada--Music Has the Right to Children Belle & Sebastian--If You're Feeling Sinister Neutral Milk Hotel--On Avery Island Beach Boys--Pet Sounds Aphex Twin--Richard D James Album Joan of Arc--How Memory Works B&S and Joan of Arc could have been any of the albums really >4. Putting records on the internet for free download: >bad or good? good--I'll listen to it, if I like it I'll but it, if I don't I delete it. >5. Ebay, bad or good? Great! If you're going to be a capitalist at all, might as well do it to the broadest market available. Bad only when selling illegal items (cd-rs of live shows etc) >6. Russ winning the hottest male contest, is he >voting for himself or what? Russ is hot! >7. Do you own the Japaneese Tour EP? next question. >8. First live show? David Copperfield, oh you mean music... Helmet I think? In 1993 or so? >9. Worst live show? >Dymaxion (openers for Stereolab.) Ick. >10. Favorite sound? logarithmically decaying sine wave from 80hz to 0hz over about 5 s. >11. least favorite sound? silence 12. girls posting their pictures and email addresses >on the internet bad/good? It bothers me just as much as guys posting their pictures and email addressesthat is, not at all. >13. What book should every person in america read? Underworld by Don Dellilo or any of the short stories collections by Philip K Dick or LIfe After God by Douglas Coupland >14. Signing to a major bad/good? whatever floats your boat >15. Wearing the t-shirt of the band you are going to >see? go naked for all I care >16. Modest Mouse list being oft-off the topic >bad/good? doesn't bother me >17. Favorite beer? Gin & tonic with lime 18. Favorite color? overcast days sunny days 19. What are you going to name your first born child? Jon-Benet Ramsey >20. Five favorite movies (the question that tells >tons about a person)? 2001: A Space Odyssey nothing else is close
Re: [MMouse]: if yer not into off the subject, skip please
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* So, essentially you are saying: this cd fucking rocks but don't you dare try to listen to it Didn't we have this discussion a few months ago? didn't it end in broken bones? -BILL >4. Putting records on the internet for free download: >bad or good? >Bad. I don't care if the band doesn't try to stop >you, you are stealing from them. If you want to hear >a record before deciding to buy it, cool. But don't >burn a cd that you want from a band you respect unless >you plan on buying it when it comes out. >5. Ebay, bad or good? >Bad. I saw someone pay $30 american for two Jimmy eat >world stickers that the band gave out for >free...auctions are for the filthy rich, not the >comfortable. >7. Do you own the Japaneese Tour EP? >Yes, and to make this sound completely unpretentious I >am one of the very LUCKY/fortunate few who actually >paid for it legit online through K records. Please >kids, wait for the new record to come out, this is not >worth 50 bucks.
[MMouse]: Fwd: early NMH being released
Thought this might be of interest to some. > >"There are currently plans to release a two-volume set of early Neutral > Milk > >Hotel, featuring music from the early, self-released cassettes, live > >performances, and unreleased recordings. The band wants to do this as a >result > >of the excessive prices at which bootlegs are currently selling online and > >elsewhere. They will be available from Orange Twin. No date has been > decided > >upon for released. It could be awhile in the future."
Re: [MMouse]: Merchandice
ebay. At 03:33 AM 2/21/00 -0500, you wrote: >Where can I find some good Modest Mouse merchandise?
[MMouse]: What ebay will say....
This boots thing came up a while ago on the Elephat 6 mailing list concerning some guy doing the same thing, selling a cd-r of rare tracks. Here's what ebay mailed to the people that notified ebay of the non-official status of the cd-r he was selling. I think it's a pretty sensible response and to me it does indicate ebay is willing to help out in matters like this --- Hello, We have reviewed the auction you have brought to our attention and taken appropriate action. We would also like to explain eBay's policy with respect to reports like yours. eBay is not in a position to make judgments about the authenticity or authorized nature of auction items, except in the most extreme circumstances. This may mean that we cannot remove the item about which you contacted us. In some cases, we refer the information to the owner of the rights (copyright, trademark, etc.) involved, if we know who they are and how to contact them. Although you may be extremely knowledgeable about these types of items, we often cannot remove items upon the representations of third parties whose credentials we cannot verify, unless of course the alleged infringement is obvious on its face. That is why we strongly urge you to notify the rights holder of the suspected infringement and encourage them to join our Verified Rights Owners (VeRO) Program (formerly called Legal Buddy Program). This program enables them to request the ending of allegedly infringing auctions. We appreciate your vigilance in helping us to keep inappropriate auctions off eBay. If we can be of any further assistance, please let us know. Regards, Yuri eBay Customer Support __ eBay Your Personal Trading Community (tm)
Re: [MMouse]: that boots guy i just mentioned
I think the best way to get action in this is to email 1) UP Records and 2) Ebay. If you tell Ebay that someone is selling a unofficial cd-r, they will attempt to verify it through the label. If it can be verified, they will take it down and try to stop further abuse of the same type. So instead of writing to this guy, (which really won't solve the problem) everyone should write to Ebay and UP to let them know what's going on! -BILL
Re: [MMouse]: atheist or agnostic
From merriam webster agnostic: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god atheist: one who denies the existence of God At 05:43 PM 2/17/2000 -0500, you wrote: >okay i'm completely confused right now... i always though agnostic was when >you believe in some kind of god but you aren't quite sure what god or gods... >but i'm not sure if thats right now from some of the statements... what does >agnostic mean?? am i right or wrong or just simplifying the whole term... >just curious >jessica
Re: [MMouse]: intrigued
I've always wondered about the reasoning behind atheism. It seems that the claim "God definitely does not exist" is very similar to the mind set of one who says "God definitely does exist". And, all else being equal, it seems a lot easier to pick the latter option given societal pressures. I'm agnostic myself..(Shit, I'm taking a stance on something) At 09:35 AM 2/17/00 -0600, you wrote: >i'm intrigued with your atheism. i'm not an atheist per se, but >intriguing, yes. jamie > >Jamie R. Battey >Northwestern University, Evanston, IL. USA >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [MMouse]: HotMouseKids
I think we should add a talent contest to the hotpeople voting,as well as evening wear and swimsuit competitions. The winner gets to marry a multi-millionaire. (anyone else think the idea for that show is just plain sick yet at the same time funnier than most comedy? ) >if we really wanted to take this thing seriously: >maybe all the pics should be collected (like have an entry date set) and >restart the voting. then have perimeters set so you can only vote once >or something.
[MMouse]: FA: lots of records
Hello, I am auctioning off a bunch of records on ebay in order to pay for some equipment in order to make my own music, and plus I don't want to carry them all with me when I leave college. I guarantee everything here is 100% pure wax with no digital constituents. I am adding more by the minute, and when I get them all up there there will be more than 100. There is currently stuff on there people on this list would be interested in (like Silver Scooter, Elliott Smith, Spinanes, etc). Bids start at $1-$4. http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=bill37
Re: [MMouse]: contract (is not the issue)
it's obvious that my discussion is being ignored as witnessed by the following statements and replies. Further, others simply solve this issue with "witty" and immature comments. Thus, I think this discussion serves no purpose any longer (especially on the list). However, my original intention was simply to open a forum for discussion as witnessed by the two light and non-confrontational, if somewhat controversial emails I have sent. However, others simply replied with more personal and bitter attacks which walked around the issues with accusations which had nothing to do with the topic of discussion. I would be happy to further this discussion off-list, however, as it is a topic with much relevance as more revenues are lost due to mp3s and new avenues for music distribution arise (finally allowing the indies to finally take a large stake of the music market without enormous marketing machine budgets. )This is a very complicated issue and one worth discussion, and I am disappointed that some are so quick to come to decisions without talking about things first. Further, I never took one side or the other, I simply presented the other side because I think it is an important issue which one (self-serving) conclusion should be reach on immediately. I have no problem with responding to logical arguments, but when the replies in a discussion are just plain silly and evasive of the central point, things can get quite non-productive. I didn't realize some people would take this so personally, for me it is just an interesting topic of discussion and nothing more. In the future I will only discuss how cute Isaac is. --Teen Beat Fanclub Member #2884 1) I never claimed russ had the singles on mp3, just suggested that they were available to download me: "How many people didn't buy the singles comp because they already had all the mp3 files?: (my original query, which was not a statement and certainly not a specific one pointing fingers) you: Philip: "If someone is downloading the singles comp off of the internet, I don't think it's from Russ, now is it? You're not going to find domestically released songs on Russ's site, I'm afraid." (something you made into a point of contention, for no apparent reason 2) you supported the decision to distribute the mp3s of the jap tour ep, which is what I am discussing, therefore there is an arguement, because I believe it may not be the right of someone to distribute these at will me: "I think the sale of the japanese tour ep is OK personally, because it is an official release that the modest mouse guy made money from. though I appreciate the mp3s immensely, and agree with you about the boots, I think this may be going too far. it's just a few steps away from saying "hey don't bid on that interstate 8 cd! download it here". And I do realize it is different..but at the same time these are songs which may very well be coming out in the US sometime soon, on the new album, or in another format." Philip: "I think it's excellent that Russ put them up because not everyone had the chance to buy them in the first place even if they had the money." 3) you're stepping around my point, and my point is THE BAND HAS FREE WILL AND THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DECIDE TO PUT THE INK TO THE PAPER. THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH EPIC Philip: "Well, Bill, you seem to be awfully knowledgeable about the music business. Perhaps you could explain to me the inherent exclusivity clause in the band's contract." me: "But back to the point---it's not as if Modest Mouse is a victim to this major label. Don't forget they choose to sign with Epic. " ie, I don't care about contracts etc. At its base level, the band's relationship with its label and the public is determined by its own actions primarily. 4) I never claimed to have knowledge about the public, I simply asked a non-leading question to the list, and stated facts about several people I know, and their actions, in an effort to get a more general consensus through intelligent conversation, not name calling and insults. Philip: "And maybe you could also explain to me exactly where you get all of these cold hard facts about the record-buying public." me: "How many people didn't buy the singles comp because they already had all the mp3 files? There are people, I can guarantee you, who did not buy the singles comp because they had the files. I know at least three people personally who didn't." notice I did not say "there are many people" or "I know everyone on this list didn't buy it" or "everyone in idaho didn't buy the singles comp because they had mp3s" (to further this point, I don't think it's deniable that there are instances on this list and on the usenet and other lists of people either offering for sale or trade a cd-r of these singles) 5) there is no real comparison between full-length tracks (And usually ALL of the tracks off a release) bootlegged onto cd-
Re: [MMouse]: JAP tour EP bidness
your momma's ugly., - bill At 03:06 PM 2/11/00 -0700, you wrote: >Is this what happens when one "choose" to go to Clemson? My god, what's >in that red tide they're serving?! > >BB: Crooks, every last one of them. >
Re: [MMouse]: JAP tour EP bidness
Ok whether it is $6 or $15 is besides the point... But back to the point---it's not as if Modest Mouse is a victim to this major label. Don't forget they choose to sign with Epic. Epic did not "screw the general public", Modest Mouse did. If, instead of making it a Japanese tour only release, they also released it on Up Records or Epic in to normal distribution channels, there would be no issue. However, Modest Mouse choose not to. They are not a victim. Given that Modest Mouse has chosen for this EP not to be in wide release, it is no one's right to say "Ok, well I want it anyways, I'll steal it." And yes, it is possible for this to detract from sales. How many people didn't buy the singles comp because they already had all the mp3 files? There are people, I can guarentee you, who did not buy the singles comp because they had the files. I know at least three people personally who didn't. It's very important to remember that the band has a large degree of control here. Maybe you should be questioning the band rather than the label about its decisions? I'm not saying I agree with either side, I simply want to present both sides because it seems people are too easily following the "big corporation=evil=I deserve the music" mind set.No one is protecting the artistic integrity of a band besides the artist themselves. To say otherwise is bullshit. I know this all sounds quite harsh, and that's not how I intended it. I think Russ is a great guy and I like his music, I liked it enough to spend a lot of time doing a remix of it. I appreciate what he does, and personally yes I did download and listen to the mp3s. But I think the situation is a lot more complicated than most make it out to be. At 10:45 AM 2/11/00 -0800, you wrote: > > Same deal with the japanese tour ep. If you tried > > hard enoughit was possible to get a copy for $6. > > >I don't think the tour EP was EVER available for only >$6, not even from K. In fact, I know it wasn't. >I was able to get four copies directly from a store in >Japan for about $15 a piece, and that was without >shipping (which got to be a bit salty, kids). >Don't get me wrong, however. I think it's excellent >that Russ put them up because not everyone had the >chance to buy them in the first place even if they had >the money. My understanding is that there are only >700 copies in existence worldwide, and since it went >out of print immediately, it's not like the mp3's are >detracting from sales of the EP on the market or >anything like that. > > > Certainly Modest Mouse isn't oblivious to the fact > > that fans would want to hear these songs > >Well, that's exactly where the major label comes in. >Epic declared that they would no longer allow the sale >of the tour EP because some of the songs were/are/have >been re-recorded, and they didn't want anyone to >undermine the buying power of their newest signing. >There are publishing and copyright issues that Epic >felt the need to protect, and unfortunately that >screwed the general buying public (in the USA, at >least) out of this excellent collection of songs. > >But thanks to the legendary Ruxx, the saga continues. > >And if you haven't thanked him today, for the >countless mp3's or for protecting the artistic >integrity of one of yr favorite bands or for putting >up pictures of dope hotties for you to drool over, >maybe you should thank him now. He's listening. > > >unsolicited spokesman for the Ruxx campaign, >*phiL*
[MMouse]: Fwd: [indierockboots] Secretly Canadian Comp
> >From: jonathan michael cargill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Hi, > >I just learned this info. Secretly Canadian is releasing this. > >www.secretlycanadian.com > >(sc7) THE UNACCOMPANIED VOICE >An A capella compilation featuring: > Mimi Parker and Alan Sparhawk (Low) > Jarboe > Pedro the Lion > P.W. Long and Richard Buckner > Dave Fischoff > Sharon Topper and Fly (God Is My Co-Pilot) > Mark Kozeleck (Red House Painters) > Appendix Out > Nikki McClure > Songs: Ohia > Damien Jurado > Suzanne Langille > Tim Foljahn ($2 Guitar) > Drunk > Mia Doi Todd > Japonize Elephants > Danielson Famile > David Grubbs > Elliot Sharp > Felvr Chom > Jandek > Swearing At Motorists > Isaac Brock (Modest Mouse) >
Re: [MMouse]: ebay and the MODEST MOUSE
I think the sale of the japanese tour ep is OK personally, because it is an official release that the modest mouse guy made money from. though I appreciate the mp3s immensely, and agree with you about the boots, I think this may be going too far. it's just a few steps away from saying "hey don't bid on that interstate 8 cd! download it here". And I do realize it is different..but at the same time these are songs which may very well be coming out in the US sometime soon, on the new album, or in another format. I've sold my only copies of my modest mouse 7"s on ebay because I was brokefor $5-$20. But at the same time, I spent probably 10 times that much in my time tracking these things down by browsing through loads of 7"s used and new to find them, in many record stores in many different cities. It may have just been easier to pay 2-3 times as much in the first place to find them. Same deal with the japanese tour ep. If you tried hard enoughit was possible to get a copy for $6. But these people who spent the time to track it down.well they have every right to sell it on ebay if they want to. If you want to complain about anyone's actions here, it's probably modest mouse for making it so difficult to get what they undoubtedly know will be appreciated universally by fans, not just the ones in Japan. Case in point---Warp Records recently released 3 peel session cds by Autechre, Plaid, and Black Dog because mp3s of them had been so rampant. (Even going so far as to packaging the cds in faux cd-r cases)Belle & Sebastian undoubtedly did the same thing about Tigermilk. Certainly Modest Mouse isn't oblivious to the fact that fans would want to hear these songsespecially right after being picked up by a major label. just my opinion of course. I know everyone thinks I'm wrong. and oh...nothing personal, just a topic that I wanted both sides to be presented on. =) -BILL At 08:38 PM 2/9/00 -0500, you wrote: >hey there. youre getting this email because i saw that you had some kind >of interaction with modest mouse and ebay. > >to those of you bidding on the japanese tour EP: > >this EP is available in mp3 firmat for free on my bootleg page. as are >all the bootlegs there. they are free. in mp3 format. good quality too. >dont spend money on it unless youre a real completist. cuz ebay and >bootlegs are evil (only when used together. i like ebay for neat stuff >like garbage pail kids).
[MMouse]: shitload of records FS
Hi, I need money quick, so I'm having to sell a whole bunch of my record collection. A whole lots of this-listy stuff will be in there. I've put up about 60 7"s so far, and there are about 10 more 7"s and 70 LPs to come. the stuff is listed at http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=bill37 most of the bids start out at between $1-3, and for a lot of the stuff I don't expect it to go higher than $5there are also some rarities too, like early Rodan stuff, and a very rare first Sea & Cake 7" that I really don't want to part with, but, alas I must. =) Also some Mogwai, Palace, etcremember I'll be adding about 100 more in the next couple of days so watch out for those too...alright, sorry for wasting anyone's time BILL bill wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~wwright>
Re: [MMouse]: Re: Digest modestmouse.v001.n393
If memory serves, it's "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" or something similar, but I had a question too--has anyone read thea satirical rewrite of this poem named "The Love Song of J. Crew something or other" or something similar...I remember it being pretty funny, but can't remember who wrote it. At 11:22 PM 7/2/99 -0400, Michael R Bernstein wrote: >brilliantly stated -- the point of kinsella -- especially with the new >album, is to recognize influence -- to drop subtle hints -- and although i >found his allusions to french philsophers a bitpretensious on the new LP, >it is well done, and the point comes across -- and a bonus point for >anyone who can name the ts eliot poem -- mike > bill wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~wwright>
Re: [MMouse]: home taping is recording music
There is a programit's called "Virtual Audio Cable" (I think). You can use it to stream audio from a program to disc as a wav file. With this wave file, you can take over the world. Or, convert it to mp3. -BILL At 07:43 AM 11/5/99 -0500, Matt Evanosky wrote: >does anyone on the list have enough computer savvy to know whether one can >download realaudio tracks to save them like an mp3 file..? >or is that why mp3s are available and realaudio is annoying.. >i found a virtual concert website, with apples in stereo and upon further >inspection , 2 timid rodent shows from last yr in chicago... > >if my blatant lack of computing skills is too offensive , please disregard >this pointless post... > >thinks that the state was pretty great, but viva variety had way better live >talent, like the guy who could swallow big things. >mattski > > > > > bill wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~wwright>
